/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

Who deserves more credit than the wife of OP?

first for civ 6 is shit

Pick my tech.
>>158647479

You can't build farm on desert even if you have Petra, right?

png inthe op? really?

Anyone found a good way to protect city states from AI? I'm a suzrain but I don't see any way to protect them other than declare my own war.

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>>158647567

4th for muh sides

>>158647540
Newfag here, need some advice for civ 6, this is my first time playing it since I just bought it today.

do pigs use GPS? I enjoy watching them argue with the wife of the coal miner

>>158647646
tip fucking top

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i swear to god guys i think i found a way to make the AI work in civ6.

the solution is to become a total crybaby like the current leaders, do as they do to you.
for example, at least declare a couple of futil war, denounces a couple of leaders you don't like for no apparten valid reason, build city near others capitals, be a dick in general.

in a 8 players map, i manage to have 4 ally withput a single apparent rational reason for, excluding the normal trade state to state.
i was friend with brasil even if i was always pumping great people, friend with bungabunga without a religion and friend with china with 4 great wonders.
the last one was russia but i was doing good with science and culture.

i tried this tactic in 2 different game and the resoult was the same, half of the leaders where good to me for the entire game.

this shit happened to everyone else?

>>158647640
Protectorate War.

>>158647578
I am fond of OP's wife's son's pig

>>158647698
So the way to make friends with the braindead AI is to act like a braindead AI?

>>158647646
>left arm of the absolute madman

>>158647710
AI usually rolls over them long before it becomes a thing I can do, but thanks non the less. I guess liberation is the only way.

>>158647829
I don't believe it. All the braindead AIs in my games always hate each other.

>>158647698
Gorgo and Gilgamesh started liking me after I began warmongering and denouncing everyone, so I think you are onto something

>>158647665
Are you new to Civ VI or civ games in general? If you played Civ V before you shouldn't have any problems

So what is the current meta in stellaris MP when regarding fleet composition?

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> play as gommunists
> minerals out the ass
> energy credits in the shit
> no matter how many energy plants I build I'm still too poor to take my fleet out of dock for any period of time
> been like this for about 50 years

This is too realistic, I don't like it

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Ha ha, time to get rekt and lose my capital planet to space zealots.

is there a more satisfying feeling than blasting off to mars then promptly nuking all the earthfags into oblivion?

>>158647992
Do you have friends/people who don't hate you

Have you tried trading minerals for energy?

>>158647992
fix you shit. Why is 1 sector basically your entire empire? Make some small energy focus sectors if you need energy so bad

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What's next guys?

>>158648234
Cold fusion.

>>158648234
always take the power techs when they pop up

you'll be sorry if you don't

>>158648234
>he hasnt got assist research yet

>>158648295
You can blame the thread. Every tech I've gotten has been decided by the thread.

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>>158648295
No point in getting assist research until you run out of surveyable worlds desu

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>befriend/ally a civ
>they use the terms of friendship to build a massive army and move it in/around my borders
>declare war on me turn after friendship ends
Is this what friendship feels like?

>>158648429
it's extremely useful but I have no idea what your empire looks like so yeah, only beneficial if science ships aint got work to do. Also like other anons said I'd prob take the fusion power anyway

>>158648295
Look at his science output

You're delaying a tech for 25% higher science from ONE planet, which also costs a scientist slot and a science ship

that'd be a gain of at the very most 10 science or some shit like that, if you put a skill 5 scientist on it

assist research has no place early game

>>158647394
It's one of the leviathans, yeah. Never killed that one before, but the reward is fantastic.
Something like 4000 physics and 5000 society research points, and if you haven't yet gotten it, it also gives you the Jump Drive tech up to 50% on research.
The thing that killed a bunch of my battleships was its breath laser that one-shotted the battleship it targeted. It has 'PD' but from the graphics they look like normal 'shots' as well, or at least they were appearing on both a few of my cruisers and a lot on the torpedoes I fired, so that might've diverted much of the damage otherwise

>>158647698
you have a half truth in that trying to be friends with everyone will just end up in failure. If you piss off couple of people it causes those guys to hate you and then their enemies will like you more in turn. And better yet if your dickish behaviour causes the AI to declare wars on you that makes everyone hate him more which means they like you more by proxy

>>158648618
sounds awesome. I'm gonna get rekt by the first one I see no doubt

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>>158648618
So what you're telling me is the reward is literally nothing if you're in the late game?

are the double yield or +2 food natural wonder even good?

It's like food means nothing to me when housing is the one stopping you growing every time

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> They managed to correct their fuck-up and put Frontier Hospital into the game
> Oh no wait, they still fucked up, it doesn't count as an upgrade to Frontier Clinic
Top kek Paraducks

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>Playing as Sumeria and engaging in Ancient Era landgrab wars vs your neighbor civs, with the Chiefdom +production on cavalry military policy and God of the Forge pantheon

BEEP BEEP
IT'S 10 WAR CARTS AT YOUR GATES

>>158648767
That's because you aren't thinking like a Civ 6 player.
Extra food means you can have more cities and more districts in the same space.
If you spot a kilimanjaro put a city on either side so both cities have good food tiles to grow and then just build districts for adjecency like mad.

>>158648950
but what about the wifi in later eras

so yesterday I decided to start a new game and after 3 hours and 5 starts I just gave up. I either start on a shitty spot with no hills and get no hammers, or there is no mountain anywhere so no science and no aqueducts.

At one start I managed to get reasonably well I got BARBED in turn 20. The next after that one fucking Trajan declares war on me before turn 30.

What is the best way to ensure a nice start? Do you save and then explore first or just settle on turn 1 and adapt? I already edited the .lua files to try and increase distance between starting points.

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Biolab II finished.

>>158649360
Xeno Diplomacy

>>158649265
>already edited the .lua files
you already lost.

You gotta adapt man.
Getting barbed at turn 20 is nothing. Wait until you get barbed at ~turn 12, that will truly test your mettle

>>158649360
I'd take either hab or orbital hydroponics, idk

are you a friendly lad

>>158649265
jesus christ just play on Chieftain man if you want to sandbox

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>>158649429
Everyone hates me.

>>158649513
No point getting xeno diplomacy then lmao

hydroponics are underrated and are great for colonies.

>>158649265
No, I move my warrior to the tile with which I can get most visibility on turn 1, and then I decide where to settle based on the info I have at that time. Sometimes I settle in place, sometimes I move a bit. But I don't move more than 2 turns ever. Usually I settle either on Turn 1 or Turn 2.

Where's the fun of spoiling yourself the layout of the land by loading from a previous save?

>5 cities by turn 93 on epic
>found 2 cities
>steal 1 settler from cleopatra
>take over cleo's capital
>Steal one settler from Gilgamesh

Now leading in all victory conditions

EZ PEZ

>>158647837
Funny you say that because I saw some guy's literal right arm in some cathedral, can't remember where, might have been Koln.

>>158649678
Stealing settlers from the AI is like kicking puppies. Rude.

>>158649678
The AI is really really really naive with its settlers. I've managed to steal so many unescorted settlers and workers in the early game, it's insane. The tempo gainz are just too stronk.

>>158649575
>hydroponics are underrated
seconded

>Early game
>Neighbors are already unfriendly with me
>Can't see the reasons why in their tab

But why? I haven't touched them...

>Russia's atomic era music is the only one with any sort of vocal/chanting.

RUSSIA STRONK
RUSSIA CULTURED

>>158649898
Which ones

>>158649678
Last game I stole 2 worker's in Vicky's land and deforested her capital and then stole the settler she decided to send out of the city while there was a hostile unit. All this with one scout.

>>158649929
France and India

>>158649898
depends on your ethics and theirs. Some just dont mix

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Now that we have the whole soundtrack ripped and the main themes have been identified, people are working on sourcing all the ambient musics. Every civ has a selection tied to them that play in a game just like the themes (randomly if they're in a game once you've met them).

They don't have the "evolving" arrangements like the main themes, though; that'd probably add another 12 hours to the soundtrack.

So far we've got the complete list for England:

The Bold Grenadier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UzlyCb_aU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_kkMXJE1Y0

Green Bushes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5RMAJjUhkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X33K9g-jHVU

Greensleeves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Nk6pxpJes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoHIVkWXnQ

High Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbyO-DTfZ8Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxPw6QPW2ZQ

Lovely Joan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbVDZFdUF9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=445UwbsjUn8

My Bonny Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuSWspV1YQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dZApX8FHBE

>>158649990
I wanna _______ that potato

>>158649898
there is no diplomacy in civ6, I've finished 3 games on standard and not one time I had an ally or research agreement, even with a couple of civs being "friendly", and even the friendly ones decide to just declare war on me for no reason, not even close to a victory or messing with them at all.

Just play civ6 as a free-for-all with some cease-fire agreements

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>>158650060
She is a qt3.14

What civilization do you guys think is the best to pick in Sid Meier's Pirates ?

>Bitching about diplo in vanilla Civ.

Civ V vanilla was way way worse than VI vanilla. It's only after the expansions the A.I stop behaving like bitches with 24/7 menstruation.

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>>158649990
>that smugness
HNNNNNNG
If only her model was more like this girl

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Should I, Anon (who played the shit out of the first 4 but skipped the 5th), make my return to the franchise with 6 or just stick to Civ 5 complete?

>>158650249
Stick to Civ 5.

>>158650249
That depends on how forgiving you are
Civ 6 is great but it's still somewhat buggy and missing some features, but it's a great foundation to build upon and pretty fun in its state.

Civ 5 Gold is also great, missing some great additions 6 made, but at least it's very polished and very feature rich.

>>158649417
there are some nice tweaks like increasing the cost of research to space-out the game instead of sending an army to the frontlines that gets obsolete when it arrives. Also spacing out starting positions so each civ can have more space to develop

>>158649450
>>158649580
I don't want to sandbox or cheat but I feel civ6 is very unbalanced so I'm trying to figure out what would be the optimal settings.

Island plates or continents most of the time are so retarded that you end up with a zig-zag river-like ocean with no water near the poles. I never liekd pangea or inland seas but I might give them a try

Can you guys suggest your favorite settings here? Is it okay to use a huge map and just 6 to 8 civs or would that make it even more messed up? What map is the best for very long games?

>>158649990
>that quicc glance at your dicc

muh dicc

>>158650249
Civ VI vanilla is thousand time better than vanilla V.

I legit feel nauseated and quit playing the series after I first transitioned from IV to V. It's untollerable how much casualized V is compared to IV.

VI though, VI was more complex than V, that's why Vbabies are bitching about VI.

IVfags love VI. Vbabies hate VI.

>>158650372
>I don't want to sandbox or cheat
>But I refuse to play with anything but the perfect set up and I will edit files to make that happen

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guys have you ever seen this before? there's a weird green icon next to one of the other leaders. is it a bug?

>>158650413
Except for horrible AI design, abysmal UI and utterly lacking balance. Yes 6 is a masterpiece, much praise such wonder.

>>158650372
I like continents, fractal, and pangea. On Standard size, standard number of players, standard turns, standard resources.

>>158650486
praise im salahadin!

Suppose I fucked up and built a barracks instead of a stables in one of my encampments, is there a way to sell/delete it and change it into a horse city?

>>158650486
it's probably some next level of mad

>>158650486
What kind of bug is that? I've never seen it.

>>158650486
Don't worry, it'll fix itself rather quickly when he stabs you in the ass.

>>158650486
It's debug code they left in the game for some reason that means they're going to dow you in the next few turns.

>Meet Germany and a bit later Norway
>Germoney ask us to be friend
>Yeah sure dude!
>3 turns later declare war against me WITH norway
>Welp
>Go poke them with a warrior the next turn
>They instantly ask for peace

Well at least I just won +15~ gold per turns for 30, but what the fuck.

So...

I assume we're getting SFM of Cleo sometime soon, right

>>158650249
Wait for some fixes to 6 first.

>>158650486
I haven't encountered this meme yet for some reason.

I'm not doing anything special I usually just send a delegation early on 1 or 2 turns after meeting
and just take care not to trigger their agenda negatively.

>>158650504
>horrible AI design
So does V vanilla.

>abysmal UI
I grant you this

>utterly lacking balance
So does V vanilla.

It's funny you Vbabies are bitching VI for being in the same state as V (though much much more refined and complex)

>>158650770
Fuck off Firaxis. You may buy off "journalists", but you'll never deceive us.

>>158650745
I don't know about memes but I'm around 1000 rounds in combined in a few games and this is the first time I see the smiley face

>>158650770
Why do you have such an "Us vs Them" mentality?
It's not like we are loyal to Civ V or anything. Or like we're defending Civ V vanilla.

The comparison is merely an objective one at time of asking. Civ V with all the expansions and fixes is a more complete experience to Civ VI at this time. This is subject to change as soon as the patches start rolling in.

I just realized something lads. When other leaders tell you to move your troops and you say they're just passing by, they actually mean move your troops. In Civ V unless you declared war on them there wasn't any problem, but now because I haven't moved them I just got a diplo penalty

But this bitch is my neighbour and my troops are on my border, why the fuck would I move them

>>158649923
>it's a song about a man enjoying berries from his garden arranged into some grimdark hell march
Makes me laugh every time.

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>>158648943
>tfw it's not you doing the war carting

I'm coming straight from Civ V, can anyone give me some pointers for jumping into 6?

>>158650941
Not that guy, but ut's a bit pretentious to think 6 at start would be better than 5 with all expansions and mods developed for it.
On the other hand, 6 is off to an amazing start. Not a perfect one, but it's a legitimately good (not perfect) game at launch, and with expansion + mods it'll become even better than V.
The potential is all there.

>>158650996
RIP
That's super late though, and a really bad attacking force.
I meant having ~10 war carts by around turn 40 and trampling all over a capital by then.

>>158650967
Yeah, meanwhile America's Atomic theme music is upbeat as shit. (And Brazil's.)

Where the fuck do the /v/lord come from?

your mum's puss

>>158651087
Make your farms close to each other

>>158651089
It's not pretentious at all. You have just gotten used to the game industry screwing you over and giving them excuses.

Back in the day, games didn't need a gorillion patches and expansions to be great. They just came out great.

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>comfily minding my own business
>out of nowhere germany blitzes capital
>by the time i retook it gandhi goes for the missionary shitfest
>hinduism fucking everywhere, realize later i can't buy those fucking missionaries
>capital is some noname city and there's nothing i can do about it

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New empire found.
How do we respond?

>>158651203
no. you are a 16 year old who never lived "back in the day" if you think this is true.
PC games have had patches and updates since the 90s. how do you think mods like CS and TF etc. were born in the 90s if continual patching wasn't a thing? also expansions were a huge thing back then, arguably even bigger than DLCs are now. games didn't just "come out great". nearly all legendary games of the 90s and 2000s are remembered for how they were WITH their expansion packs.

>>158651308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag50ct3EBxQ

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>>158651089
>b-butt they will fix it with DLC
>b-butt they will fix it with patches

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>when you lose your 2 shot crossbow to an offscreen knight

>>158651379
Your basis for comparison is pretty skewed. Of course the patches and expansions made the games even better. But they at least came out pretty great and playtested.

In the industry as of late, games are rushed out because they know they can get away with easy patching a few weeks in that is easy to roll out because everyone has internet, and they know they can just leave unfinished features to sell as piece meal DLC.

Civ V was the worst offender in this regard.

Civ VI is a step in the right direction of at least being not shit at release, but it's a long way from what other games in the series released like.

>>158651436
Fuck off. BE was full of shit from day 1, and even before that. Civ 6 is packed with content compared to Civ 5, it just has balancing issues. The game doesn't even need dlc to be better than Civ 5, they just need to fix the exploits and buff/nerf some things.

>>158651379
>no. you are a 16 year old who never lived "back in the day" if you think this is true.
Games were released in a complete state before internet became ubiquitous. Sure patches and bugs and all that crap happened, but noobody in their sane mind would defend a game with "it'll get better with patches" , like you are doing now.

>>158651379
Not same anon, but sorry this is not entirely true.
> Deus ex has no expansions and probably 1-2 patches, regarded as greatest game ever made, released in 1999.
> Theme hospital: Also a success, probably receives minor patches, and worked great out of the box. Doesnt have expansion. Comes out in 1997?
> Roller coaster tycoon, the very first one, same story. Doesnt have expansion. Sequels do not count.

There are many others. I do not remember having to download patches back then, and the game plays great with all the flaws. Heck, even Simtower has no patches and expansions, and it is great.

>>158651536
yet you know this to be the current state of the industry across all developers so why do you come to a game's thread crying about it?
civ6 is a great launch FOR THE YEAR 2016. will your crying make it the year 1995? it won't so what's the point?

Which governments do AIs use most? I remember in Civ V they were pretty much always order

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>>158651646

I'd like to know this too

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The guys who have been our neighbors since the very beginning of the game have declared rivalry on us and are hostile.
I sense a war-a-coming.

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>>158651642
Jesus, the fanboyism is just coming out of your pores right now man. You're actually making excuses for people that are screwing you over. You're they're puppet. How does that make you feel?

>Well, at least they're not fucking me in the ass that hard anymore! Even though they still are.

Also

>CURRENT YEAR

>>158651735
just hope your murder is capable of doing that

>>158651642
The point is that you are a fanboy and more vorried about defending your precious game than discussing it's de facto quality. "Great" can't be applicable to anything with UI as horrible as 6's.

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Power tech finished.
Need next physics tech.

>>158651798
It lists us as equivalent so maybe.

>>158651773
go back to /v/
even you admitted above that civ6 is a step in the right direction in these issues you care about. yet you complain because it's not a magical time machine back to 20 years ago. you literally admited >>158651536 they improved from their previous release but still manage to make it into a complaint because you remember back when you were a child and MTV still played music videos games used to be even better? your contribution is worthless

>>158651773
*their, sorry

>>158651837
sensors

also go into your edicts thing and encourage free thinking

>>158651308
do any of these options even matter? it seems they never change any opinion they have

>>158651840
You can like something, praise steps in the right direction, and still be able to recognize its glaring flaws and criticize the shit out of it, my man. Because I care about it not being like this in the future.

It's called nuance.

You're placing self-worth in a piece of external media, so any criticism of this game is somehow an offense to you. This is textbook fanboyism, because you fail to recognize that they're still screwing you over, even though it's less than before.

>>158651536
>>158651773
civ 6 is about as balanced as civ 4 was on release. It had a metric ton of bugs on release as well, though not as noticeable as civ 6 ones, that had to get fixed with many, many patches. I mean shit, the first civ 4 patch, iirc, fixed an issue with people getting crazy amounts of stuff from the ai through trade manipulation. Different game, same problems.

>>158651958
Not that guy.

But here's my problem: When V was released fan of V are pretty rabid to IV fans that criticized V. But now VI comes out, those same V fans are criticize VI using the argument that IV fans had at V.

This hypocrisy is disgusting, considering VI is thousand time better than V at lunch. As IVfag, VI is finally a Civ game worth playing, unlike V.

>>158651840
I pity you. The world isn't that black and white thing you want it to be. You can like a game, like its music, but find its gameplay boring.

>>158652005
Sorry if i take this out of the main point of conversation, but have we heard anything back from Firaxis since release when the balance patch will be, the roadmap, or any kind of updates?

They seem quiet after release, kind of getting a no man sky's vibe here.

>>158651909
How bad is ethics divergence?
+15% seems like a lot.

>>158652112
>those same V fans
do you have a single fact to back that up

>>158651958
Go back to /v/. Uou already have one board for autistic rants by people who don't even play video games
>You're placing self-worth in a piece of external media
>so any criticism of this game is somehow an offense to you.
Literally meme statements you picked from some other fedora wearing mouth breather on /v/.
I'm not a fanboy just because I disagree with you. I think civ6 is great because I have a fun time playing it.
I also think it's good that it's a more complete game at launch than civ5 was. Saying that is not "getting fucked in the ass". Anything less than a full jump back 20 years ago through your nostalgia goggles is not "getting fucked in the ass". A step in the right direction is a positive, not a negative.

Now leave.

>>158652183
you're collectivist, right? Just purge the divergents :^)

>>158652170
they're probably getting a patch ready now. no mans sky was a pretty unique situation. with civ, they can milk a lot more money out of people, no need to abandon ship.

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>>158652005
>civ 6 is about as balanced as civ 4 was on release
WEW
LAD

>>158652112
You're failing to see my point. I'm not a fanboy of any of the games in particular, I just like the series. YES, Civ 6 at launch > Civ 5 at launch. But Civ 6 is still buggy and lacking features.

My point is, if they had wanted to go all the way in a Civ 4-style renaissance, they would've released Civ 6 in a state that was even better than Civ 5 with all the expansions. Doing anything other than that is intentionally rushing the product because you know you'll make bank anyway, specially on the release hype and the DLC's afterwards.

>>158652251
Calm down fanboy, have some dip.

>>158652248
>Implying Vfags isn't some monolithic being

Kill all casual civ fans.

>>158652297
shit
he figured me, the one and only guy who liked CiV, out
what do i do now

>>158652112
It feels like you are new to 4chan. Fanboys here are despised no matter what they are fanboys of. There is plenty hypocrisy, criticism and other shit to go around, but people who play 5v6 card can go fuck themselves - the game, on it's own merit, is at best mediocre. It's design shows promise, but lack of basic competence in UI/AI/Balance leave it to users to make it an enjoyable expirience for themselves.

Stop this USvsThem nonsense people the whole point of chan is that there is no us or them.

>>158652370
so you're one of them

>>158652370
Comparing to previous installment is not "us vs them". It's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint in any form of media.

>>158652251
jesus you're getting a little bit too upset by this, my man. remember you're talking about a videogame you like. if you like it just go play it, shut your eyes so you don't have to read the meanies talking. nobody's opinion should detract enjoyment from your game anyway.

EL as cultists- is there some way to equip heroes or refit units beyond your capital territory they have acces to? Constantly going back and forth without even roads is a huge pain

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New tech is up.

>>158652281
Will it tell me when someone diverges?

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Stop being autistic guys

>>158652465
it's not redacting my enjoyment in the game in any way but it's redacting from my enjoyment of having this general open on second monitor while I play the game.

for the past week I've done this and the discussion has been relevant. now I guess it's friday since the shitposters are just looking for a fight to pick and derailing the discussion here

>>158652286
True, i dont mean in a bad way like nms, heck the rating is the exact opposite of nms.

Just that after release, besides update about some preorder stuff (or language), nothing else. No mention of updates, balance changes, patches, mods, etc. Even hotfix, people have to find their own workaround to skip intro screen, use wasd, etc.

>>158652576
There's only one autismo here and it's this guy that keeps babbling about going back to /v/ because they're triggering him
>>158652251

>>158652583
Too bad, we're not here to accommodate you. This isn't a hugbox, it's a place to discuss the game. If you want a circlejerk, I think you know where you should go back to.

What the hell does allying even do? I allied Russia, who got declared war on and I didn't get anything. I can't even declare war on his attacker without warmonger penalties. Are there any differences between being friends and allying?

>>158652448
Comparing it to the previous installment is all good and well. Repeated "look CIV5 was shit too on release" and "Civ4 needed patches too" isn't that. Civ4 and Civ5 exist in their current state, like them or hate them. If you want to compare either to 6 you will find good and bad on both sides, but ultimately, unless you despise 4/5 6 is worse as it is now than either of them. So please stop deluding yourself that people are comparing to previous installment, it's just a wall of excuses for a game that will probably end up the best of the franchise in a year or so.

>>158650504
When has Civ ever had good AI? Or any other 4x game for that matter.

The AI always sucks.

>>158652661
You're not discussing the game. You're discussing "game industry in 2016 vol. 8429" and the game in question is just coincidental. People posting their civs, starting rolls, strategies etc. is discussing the game. Even pointing out actual bugs is discussion. "I don't like how the industry works in 2016" is not civ discussion.

>>158652479
You can unassign a hero, reequip them and put back to the army.
Units are painful, but you don't need to build cultist units much until you get the main quest rewards with stat boosts.

>>158647665
No.

You should be fond of pigs.

>>158652573
I wish it would but it doesn't. You'd just have to go about it the hard way and check every pop on every planet individually, unless there's a better way to do it.

Are you using missiles? if so, get that, if not get the plating, it's a free slot deal thingy

>>158652729
I was referring to Firaxis as part of the industry, and I was giving explicit examples as to how their practices are not okay, even though they improved from the horrible ones they had on Civ V release. This is relevant discussion.

I like the game. I still however see fit to complain that the game was rushed out, was not play tested, the UI is pretty abysmal, it's pretty buggy and unbalanced, etc. I still like it. And you criticize the things you like because you want them to get better.

Why do you find this all so offensive? Are you a Firaxis employee or something? Why does the concept of nuance continue to evade you so? I don't see why you'd be so invested in a game that you're willing to shut off all criticism of it.

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>>158652913
They really shouldn't make religious texts in diplomacy screen. He'll say that even when he's Buddhist or doesn't even have a religion yet. Same goes for Saladdin too

>>158652865
>Why do you find this all so offensive?
>>158652583
It's not offensive, it's derailing the thread from the content I enjoy. Yes you're not here to please me but I'm not here to pat your head and tell you to keep at it either.

>>158652913
>That part where he chimps out with his sword when he denounces you
The devs must have had a blast making him.

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>>158652865
>And you criticize the things you like because you want them to get better.

i wish more people would understand this

>>158653005
you're not really presenting any arguments here. you're just going to say you're going to present objections and keep telling people to go away when you disagree with them

>>158653087
>>And you criticize the things you like because you want them to get better.
>i wish more people would understand this
you think firaxis reads this general? go post on their own forums if you want to feel like you're doing something.

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New physics.

>>158653005
>It's derailing the thread from content I enjoy.

Well, that's too bad. The general isn't your safe space, famicon. It's for related Civ discussion, so it's by no means derailing anything. Just not the Civ-related content you like to read.

>>158652296
to be fair though CivIV vanilla was pretty bad too

>>158653161
Well, that's too bad. The general isn't your safe space. I will tell you to fuck off if you're shitposting in my opinion.

>>158653140
i am not expecting them to read this, no. i still believe it is important to present word of mouth arguments to other people about how the game needs improving.

>>158652576
Man I like his Denounce animation. That finger stretch.

>>158653180
This fucking meme again. Civ IV was literally perfect on release and the expansions added nothing.

>>158653160
Research alts

>>158653160
s e l f a w a r e l o g i c

>>158653160
observatory

>>158652720
There are degrees of retardation, anon. Currently only diplomacy in 6 you can conduct with AI is gunboat kind, and that's on top of all it's many basic disfunctions. Look no further than 5 for a less retarded AI.

If you want good AIs here is some games you may want to check out:
GalCiv2, DW, Pandora, Smac, Sots, Moo2, MoM. I play mostly space games so the list is mostly space games

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>>158653270
And you're free to do so and everyone will think you're a whiny soft skinned light weight because you can't deal with the general being a 24/7 circlejerk. Isn't the internet great?

Because guess what man
I'm staying.

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Social just popped too.

Great wall is implemented really badly imo

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>>158653405
>everyone

>>158653458
Yup. Don't forget to take that literally, because you need to take everything literally on the internet.

>>158653413
farm

>>158653413
naval cap

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Lads, in Civ 5 I'm 485/500 on my way to a Golden Age. The next cultural policy in the tree I'm working on immediately starts a golden age. When that free Golden Age is over, is my progress going to reset, or will I still be at 485/500. Feels like it would be a waste to take this free one now if the former is whats going to happen.

>>158653498
In case you are really as retarded as you seem, you are the soft skinned anomaly here anon, not him.

>>158649990
there's a "Romance" piece within the game too.

>>158653541
>save
>take thing
>wait it out
>see if points are still there

alternatively play with policy saving dunkass

>>158653593
Really now? how does that work?

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>>158653512
I think I'm covered for food. Especially on this planet.

>>158653516
I think I'll go with naval cap.
Tho Terraforming is tempting.

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>are you goiiiiiiiiing to scaaaaaaaaarborough faaaaaaaaair

ENOUGH

I'M, GOING TO MUTE THIS SHIT AND PLAY LAST NIGHT AT THE PROMS OVER THE TOP OF THIS SHIT

SO FUCKING TRIGGERED WHY IS THERE NO FUCKING SOUNDTRACK FOR THIS SHIT WASTE OF $45

>>158653646
terraforming costs a fuckload of energy

of course, you look good on that front, so it could be nice to get some more blanets

>>158653541
Yes
Golden Ages also stack

why can't i see pressure in civ 6

I don't even notice it working

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>>158653728
Look at all the red planets along my northern border.

>>158653796
I think it costs like 5k energy per planet though. Also depends on the kind of terraforming you want to do and shit, you need atmospheric manipulation to fully terraform planets

>>158653759
Civ 6's UI does a pretty bad job at telling you important things like that.

Has there been a Kongou replacement for Kongo?

Holy shit, Trajan VA is triggering me

>>158653759
>get the pressure belief
>never see any pressure
Fuck's sake

Hojo looks like a fag

>>158654367
Hojo looks like the dreamiest, most handsome man in the world.
So, yeah, a fag.

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>>158654367

Any word from Firaxis about an ETA for patches yet?

I pirated the game, but as soon as it gets its first batch of quality of life improvements and bug fixing, I'm jumping on ship to buy it.

Reason I didn't buy it was out of fear that they would take their sweet ass time and release basic life support in a few months.

>>158654331
pretty sure it's there but doesn't display untill you flip at least one pop. If it's the same as 5 that should take about 17 turns for a city w/o it's own faith.

>>158654436
then you are skillful and wise in the way of civ games

no word yet.

game's a hunka shit anyway, it'll be glod in about a year's time though

makes me wonder why i bought it now desu

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>>158654581
You know why

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>>158654581
>makes me wonder why i bought it now desu
Welcome to Hype Railways, please tell your friends about us.

>Peter's agenda is, he likes civilizations with high culture and science
>His randomized agenda in the current game is he likes civilizations with high industry
Literally perfect combo, we have been bffs so far and as an AI he's doing great

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I ended up doing the terraforming tech.
Here's new options.

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>>158654780
not him, but I was forever burned by Hype Culture when I bought Beyond Earth on release. I'm a huge Alpha Centauri fan and I was unbelievably excited for it.

I've never been so let down in my whole gaming life, i think. I played a bunch of matches trying to convince myself it was good, the denial was setting in. And then the whole process of grief started.

Never again will I buy anything on release or pre-order. I should've known better.

>>158654975
is BE worth playing with the expansion, or is it ded?

>>158654975
>BE looked like fucking shit even before the release
>didn't get it
>VI looked great before the release
>got it and I'm perfectly content with my purchase
lmaoin @ ur life

>>158655139
this desu

>>158654975

I don't think VI is shit at all. I haven't played BE but it sounded bad even before it came out.

VI has a great foundation. It's buggy, the AI sucks (in some very specific points that are easily fixable, otherwise it's the same good old Civ AI) and it needs balancing, but it's not even close to what other Civs were on release.

>>158655139
this desu
anyone who got hyped up from the civ 5 reskin is an idiot
especially since EVERYONE said it was a reskin and it looked like trash before release

>>158655127
Is ded. No survivors.

>>158654975
There are so many dissapointing 4x releases, it's sad.

>>158655245
Stop agreeing with yourself, it's pathetic.

>>158655382
>everyone who shares similar opinions or experiences must be samefagging
:DDD

>>158647540
Norway sucks

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>>158655382
>>158655584
I know right :-DD fug

>>158652865

Real talk though, they can't develop the game forever. At some point they have to release it in order to make some money and continue the development. It's a pattern that's been repeating itself throughout the industry.

I'm not saying it's good or bad. Unfortunately it's the expectation of VCs, publishers and the people who handle the money to have specific release dates, and getting everything ready is usually not an option. Making games is hard.

That does not excuse the game or its marketing, but if you see it happening with every single game release, especially with Civ, it should tell you there's actually something that transcends Firaxis.

And even with all that, most people will agree that VI is the most polished a Civ game has been on release past I or II... So at least they improved upon their usual cycle.

>>158647540
It's true, they really do. Mostly because of my preemptive strike when they start amassing troops at my borders.
It makes them think I'm a warmonger.

Anyway, here's my question. Can you build a district with one city, then use the pop management menu to swap it to an adjacent city?

>fans of strategy games
>are autistic

As expected.
But I thought maybe since it wasn't grand strategy it wouldn't be so bad.
I was wrong.

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>>158655842
where do you think you are, shitlord?

you can't put districts on flood plains? is there a tech that lets me?

fucking useless tiles

>>158655842
You sure were, pal
We've generally got pretty huge boners for efficiency and minmaxing here

>>158655946
Just clear the marshes, and then build on top of the blank tile.
>I couldn't build districts on tundras

>>158655946
If you are Egypt, you can.

is there a civ 6 roll image

>>158656015
If I could clear them it would let me put a district on them

I never even mentioned marshes

How's that religion going?

>>158656126
sorry desu, didn't know the difference in my brain that flood plains were a thing

i bet it was the GUI that did this :^)

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>tfw you forwards settle an AI so hard they get stuck with only one city the whole game

>Gorgo likes it when you take things from war
>doesn't hate you for warmongering

What if I beat her ass so hard she realizes I'm the true Spartan and become eternally obsessed with my dick?

We're one line of code away from having the best waifu. Modders, get on it!

>>158656351
wouldn't they just go somewhere else?

>>158655842
You should visit gsg if you want true autism.

>>158656374
I'm talking about forward settling civs that are on the edge of the maps, you completely block them

>>158656145
;_; shut up.

>>158656357
>Get surprise attacked by Egypt with 5 warriors while I am killing Scythia for being a cunt
>They barely touch me, one archer and walls lel
>Thump Scythia, annex half their shit
>Rome: YOUR EMPIRE IS VAST, I AM IMPRESSED
>turn around and fuck up Egypt, take everything they have
>Rome denounces me for being a warmonger
>Denmark shows up at some stage and tells me that my seas are open and pillagable despite me having multiple caravels compared to his quadriremes
>Meet America while fighting egypt, we exchange some items and are friendly
>I liberate a city-state back to its old owner from Egypt
>America denounces me and calls me a warmonger because I declare war on the one city left in Scythia, who re-denounced me

??? ? ?? ?????

>>158656481
oh, I tend to play maps that wrap around so that isn't a thing.

Turn 57, Egypt, France, Sumeria, and Kongo all declare war on America for no specified reason

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Should i just cut bait and start over? I kinda got shafted in that i only had the river to settle 2 cities. No desert and had pretty much every wonder taken by Ghandi or China.

I cant decide if i should just start over or push on and see what my situation is like if i take some of France stuff.

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>it's a warrior from city states steals barb encampment you've been whittling down for the past 3 turns episode

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>>158656882
>Denmark
fuck, I meant norway.

ALso didn't specify that the reason I was at war with Sycthia was that they denounced me and were moving cavalry towards my border.

>Han shot first
>Roosevelt: DURR I DENOUNCE YUE HUEAUUHEA

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Is there really any point to religion besides disabling the victory conditions for it on start?

>waste resources early on building holy district/stonehenge
>have to now funnel resources into building priests
>meanwhile, the AI, which blitzes to religion,. has a swarm of 4-5 priests headed your way right now
>oh by the way, you are now behind on science, colonization, development of cities and culture

noice

p.s. it seems there is absolutely no way of destroying/deleting a district yet, and you can have only one type per city, so enjoy your permanently shit settled AI districts when you conquer their towns

p.p.s. HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE TRADE ROAD SYSTEM IS THE BIGGEST PILE OF HOT SHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN LEAK FROM THE ASS OF A VIDEOGAME NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT WORK IN THE SLIGHTEST BUT THEY TAKE FOREVER TO DEVELOP REEEEEEEEE

>>158657114
I would either restart or wreck the city-states and annex them

>>158657114
Here's a comprehensive guide to Egypt:
>be best wife
>build a few chariots
>rape everything into submission with your chariots of mass destruction
>keep killing, chariots cannot be stopped
>build some districts or whatever on rivers
>win easily through culture

>>158657209
I'd be fine with trade route roads if it wasn't for the fact roads are ass in this game. For reference, modern era roads in 6 is just as good as ancient era roads from 4.

>>158657426
>roads are ass
Damn, now I can to fuck the road.

Without the UN I really don't see a reason to explore the world desu

Is it just me or does the game become way less comfy after reaching industrial and all your buildings become generic cardboard boxes?

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>>158657657
>cardboard boxes
Did I hear... cardboard boxes?

>>158657426
Movement fucking kills me in this game. Without decent roads, it takes about 8-10 turns to move from my capital to by northernmost city, not even my southernmost. With roads, it's 6, sort of, if the roads feel like working today. So you have to plan every city as if it's an island, since it can really only rely upon the closest cities nearby for war aid for a minimum of 5-10 turns until reinforcements arrive. pretty shit

Whats a civ in VI I can play that still makes me feel like tall is viable? I dont play on deity so dont worry about minmaxing. I just wanna be cozy and play it like Simcity sometimes and defend my territory and build lots of CUTE WONDERS.

>>158657916
Grorious Nippon

>filthyrobot still doesn't understand how unit strength works in VI
>also didn't understand how luxuries worked for a month
How? It's literally his job

>>158657657
go to bed kipling

>>158658019
to be fair, it's not as though the way luxuries work make any sort of sense

>>158657657
Yeah I wish they would give you the option to cap ages already I want my Mediterranean all classic civs game

>>158658019
It's because he has to play on camera, meaning less attention to the game.

>>158658019
I've been playing the game whole week and I don't understand either of these things either desu

WHERE IS THE BACON

MODS

W H E N

>>158657657

I don't have the game but I'm interested in the a e s t h e t i c s until I can buy it.

How do the industrial cities look? Give me a pic of your sexiest industrial city anon.

New to civilization series, starting with VI
any tips/tricks that aren't out there yet?
want to start out with germans on prince marathon
any suggestions for strategy/general guidance?
Only read a few guides/how to but seems common sense for most stuff

>>158658019
I though 1 luxury would work for 4 cities.

But it doesn't look to work that way.

Fuck the UI really. And fuck them for making the civilopedia filled with unfunny millennial jokes instead of actual information.

>Cleo captures a city state
>Builds Alhambra in it
>Fast forward 50 turns
>She attacks me, I take her capital and liberate the city state
>10 turns pass
>Saladin has finished Alhambra

So... theoretically you can make as many copies of a wonder as many city states there are on the map.

Cool.

>game's UI design based on Age of Exploration, an era when navies were arguably at their most important ever
>navies are worthless and irrelevant
great game

>>158658109
Even in civ 5 the industrial era buildings are just taller, stoney'er traditional buildings. Then the modern ones are still distinguishable. Somehow in 6 they all look the same, despite super into detail and uniqueness pre-industrial.

>>158658038
Literally how? I'm guessing some beta youtuber/twitcher

>>158657875
I don't get it, my meme game too weak

>>158658486
Is there ANYTHING cardboard boxes can't do?
Every soldier should have one.

>>158658471
Try playing on Archipelago and rush Frigates.

>>158650486
It simply tells you it will be a suprise war instead of a formal war

Does Spain have European or Mediteraneean looking cities in VI?

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So that's why Rome has fallen

Can you hide the UI somehow?

I wish civpedia had some fucking information

>>158659332
They didn't hear the mechanized infantry coming because the AC was cranked up

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If you were in charge of a game inspired in Alpha Centauri, that didn't try to be a remake but merely inspired in it, what would you do differently? What would you keep very similar?

>>158659334
You can hide minimap and tech/civic panel but that's about it

>>158659530
I would make it a little less nightmarish. I like video games that make me dream and allow me to be a hero.

The nerve stapling thing still spooks me, and the mindworms aren't better. And let's not talk about the punishment sph

Japanese should have the ability to Kamikaze desu

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>>158659718
Oh let's do.

> It is not uncommon to see patients undergo permanent psychological trauma in the presence of the Sphere, before the nerve stapler has even been strapped into position. Its effect on the general consciousness of the culture is profound: husbands have seen wives go inside, and mothers their children. Dr. Xynan left the surface of the sphere semitranslucent for a reason. You can hear them in there; you can see them. It is a thing of terrible beauty.

>>158659718
What did they do to people in the punishment sphere?
>inb4 punish them
Yes, but how

>>158659902
Electric stimulation of the nerves. Think of the torture machine in Star Wars : the Empire Strikes Back.

>>158659869
And it doesn't help that everyone is insane in Alpha Centauri. All the leaders are insane to some degree.

>>158659869
ZAKHAROV, BRO, WHY
I LIKE YOU THE MOST WHY ARE YOU ALSO A PSYCHOPATH

>>158659902
Look, there are plenty good fanfic places to get your psycho fantasies satisfied, this isn't one of them.

>>158659718
>>158659869
The nightmarishness is part of what made SMAC great though. It had this Orwellian pessimism about future technology that really helped drive home the feeling of being the vast vestiges of a bickering and parasitic race that destroyed its old home and could very well do the same to its new one.

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>>158659718
what is 'nerve stapling'? and what do mindworms do? i've never played AC

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>>158660008
> "The first organism to go through the gateway was a small white rat. I still have him, in fact. As you can see, the damage was... not so great as they claim."

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>This isn't what the industrial era looks like

>>158659718
>>The nerve stapling thing still spooks me, and the mindworms aren't better. And let's not talk about the punishment sph
Those things are all iconic of SMAC, though.
I would argue against removing them, but the game should give you equally positive options.

SMAC already allowed you to have utopic societies, if you built the right buildings and chose the right policies as some factions.

>>158660173
I really don't know about nerve stapling, but mind worms were psychic and would telepathically project terror directly into your mind to paralyze you while they ate you and laid eggs in you

>>158660237
who are you quoting

>>158659718
>>158659530

The eerie feeling is what absolutely makes AC great. There's no such thing as horror 4X but AC makes you feel uncomforable which makes it more of an interesting experience than generic "clusters of nations in space" BE.

I'd crank that up to 11.

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>>158660173
>i've never played AC
Sort yourself out nig
>what is 'nerve stapling'?
A form of punishment / social control where impulses are fed directly to the nerves from outside, bypassing the limits of the body's sensory organs for the degree of pain that can be experienced.
>and what do mindworms do?
Paralyse you with fear through semi-psychic mindfuckery and then literally mindfuck you as they burrow into your skull to lay their eggs in your brain

>>158660356
I mean to memetext

>this isn't what the industrial era looks like in the new civ

but whatever

>>158660371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXX-iDDqvm0

The fucking soundtrack, man. Spooky as fuck, yet works well also to hype you up

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>When you finally find a strategic resource in your 10th game

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>>158660396
>>158660371
Jesus christ.
I really gotta check it out

>>158660454
i muted it after the first game so i barely remember it

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>>158660167
>>158660271
>>158660371
Correct. The sense of creepy unease was part of what set it apart.
It was also great how they always drove home that Earth was dead, you're the last spark of mankind in the universe, you may well not survive, and even if you do then mankind's going to be led by one of seven crazed ideological zealots.

>>158660173
Nerve stapling means implanting some reobotic device that controls what you feel. Pain, excitation, lust, bliss...
It basically turns you into a junkie.

Mind worms are telepathic. They cause insane terror, and then burrow in your brain. Like the one in System Shock 2, but with psychic power.

>>158660695
u fokin wot m8

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>>158660695

>>158658289
I'm at uni so no game no pic, but industrial looks like cardboard boxes, just brown, square houses for all civs.

Modern is your grayish colored skyscraper for all civs.

>>158659332

>Can't even upgrade your units or maintain a small modern army because it's too fucking expensive
>Barbarians shit out 6 units of the highest quality and of all resource types for free

So this is why ISIS won

>>158659474
DON'T YOU LIKE JOKES?
YOU MUST LIKE JOKES
AREN'T WE COOL ENOUGH FELLOW KIDS?

>>158661071
I am fond of jokes.

>>158660732
What else do you think set it apart?

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>>158660173
>>158660653
>what is 'nerve stapling'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBoOSqf2drE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ugB9a8Tatg

>and what do mindworms do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L5JgTkxAkg

>i've never played AC
Do it. Those videos are a quote from a tech you obtain, a video of a faction being eliminated, and a Secret Project (Wonder) video, respectively.

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Why does the game play other civ's themes? I want to hear my theme damnit

>>158661194
I could make some edgy snarky joke about Miriam and suffering for her sins and Jesus and blah blah blah. But honestly that shriek and the door closing sound made my hairs stand on end.

Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

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>>158661141
I don't think there was anything particularly special about it mechanically.
Nobody remembers it for the gameplay, everyone remembers it for the immersion.

Well, maybe you remember singularity planet busters for the gameplay.

One thing I will say is that the environment was totally customisable. Yor workers could create new land tiles, new sea tiles, everything. And global warming could fuck you right up.

>>158660801
>>158660864
it was pretty annoying and forgettable, i just put on good music instead

>>158661503
God dang dude your taste sucks

I wish AC's UI/control isn't so clunky. It was way worse than Civ III (my first civ game), so I really never get into it.

>>158661487
the customisation of units was a nice touch, and I remember it had some original ideas well implemented. The game overall was very innovative for the time it launched. I try not to be a nostalgiafag but those were the golden years of gaming.

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>>158661757
Civ III was my first Civ too, and I played SMAC afterwards.
I agree that it takes some getting used to, but it's all kinds of worth it, it's a fucking amazing game.

Man Monte is strong

>Get two Archers and three Egle Warriors
>cap the closest city state
>use workers from Eagle warrior kills to chop forests and pop more units
>Conquer closest AI
>repeat process for entire classical+medieval era
>just keep killing with eagle warriors to pop workers who chop wood to make units/districts
>workers work as scouts who find next target when they have only a charge left
>units get stronger as you access more luxuries

Your cities can even focus on food almost exclusively since wood chopping is so effective
Wood chopping outside of your borders is broken and needs to be nerfed to inborders only
Following this early game strategy I can cap 2-3 capital cities and a city state or two before turn 100, and be set with an army for the rest of the game

>>158661194
Why do people mix nerve stapling and the punishment sphere?
I though the nerve stapling was the shit you did to your drones when they became unruly, while the punishment spheres are more like torture devices only made to cause pain.

So in Civ 6, I dont have any spoken audio in the game. I assume there is a reason for this, but mucking around in the settings, cant find one. I have all of the Audio Sliders cranked up to max. Am I missing something?

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>>158662101
I don't think it's a false conflation.
The Punishment Sphere is just the regular atrocity turned up to 11.

>>158647540
>Everyone hates you edition
just like in real life

>>158662193
>punishment sphere is actually a facility
[TERROR INTENSIFIES]
What a grim, dark future.

>>158662160
You probably disabled leader animation. They won't speak if you do.

Is there map editor?

I wish there were little people doing things in districts

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>>158662382
> What a grim, dark future.
It's a world where even the head of the UN threatens you like he's leading a fucking mafia state.
So yes.

>>158662193
I actually don't find that much horrifying with the Recycling Tanks.
It's pragmatic, and you need a level of cold pragmatism in survival scenarios.

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>Barbarians can actually capture and raze city states
Rest in peace Yerevan.

The fact barbarian camps shit out mechanized infantry by 1700AD and city states stick with warriors until end of the game does not go well together.

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>>158662571
You know you've played Alpha Centauri for too long when the idea of rendering down the weak and elderly into soylent green strikes you as a sensible and ethical policy.

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>>158662571
>>158662193
>recycling tanks
>it's just like in the Matrix where they'd melt down the dead humans and mushed them up into nutrients that were tubed into fetuses and kids, while they were in stasis, and they liked it

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>158662160
Happened to me my first game. I was clicking through the diplomacy menu too fast and it started happening.

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>>158662101
The Punishment Sphere uses nerve stapling technology, as the quote from the technology indicates.

>>158662382
>Eliminates both Drones and Talents at this base, and decreases vulnerability to enemy mind control but reduces Labs output by half.
I never had any need to build them as Zakharov, though. I always had my Workers happy with good policies and facilities, plus Secret Projects.

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>>158662780
I found that if you rushed Virtual World and another of the secret projects, you pretty much covered your weaknesses. Was pretty dope

Who would Zakharov be allies with, canon-wise? I'd say maybe Morgan, Lal, and Deidre. But I'm not sure.