/twg/ - Total War General

Are the existing factions missing any major units which can be added later?

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ROLLAN!

PAPA VLAD

Raping elves is a moral obligation.

>>158560181
Jabberslythes. But they literally cost too many Jabberslythes to make.

>>158560181
yes

>Empire
Celestial hurricanum, huntsmen, mages for the remaining lores (knightly orders)
>Dwarfs
Slayers (Great Weapons) and slayer heroes
>Greenskins
Spear Chukka (Balista), All snotling shit, big stabbas, mangler squigs, orc heroes
>Vampires
Coven Throne and that's it
>Chaos
Slaughterbrute, Mutalith wathever, the War shrine, god-specific lores of magic
>Beastmemes
Jabbers, Ghorgon, Doombull, Tuskgor chariot and harpies

And all the FW shit, which is unlikely at best

>>158560828
Im pretty sure they cost a lot of Charlemanges

>>158560181
>>158560864

Beastmen are getting new units when wood elves came out, or at least one new LL (Morghur or whatever is its name)

>>158560864
>Dwarfs
Slayers (Great Weapons) and slayer heroes

Don't forget Miners (Steam Drills).

>>158561293
what's their point when the whole miner gimmick of "surfacing anywhere" got reduced to "lolvanguard :^)"?

>>158560864
Don't forget the missing Lord units.

Daemonslayers, Great Bray Shamans, Templar Grand Masters, Wizard Lords, Orc Great Shamans etc.

>>158561467


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=724263018&searchtext=all+tabletop+lords

>>158561426
The TT upgrade also gave Miners a souped up great weapon, could work as a harder hitting version of miners.

>>158561467
Orc great shaman honestly surprises me the most that its not in the game already.

Until we got Wurrzag the only way to get the big waaagh was a hero. Which seems like a huge oversight.

>>158561534
I know. But thanks anyway, someone else might see it.

Do hero perks in an army stack?

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It is now October. The sallow season deepens its hold on Athel Loren. It is a dark time, a time of mourning. As the spites and spirits of the forest grow slothful and recalcitrant, the enemies of the Asrai seek to defile the sacred glades. Ratposting is rampant. The Deep Thinking Goblin looms, esoteric and obscene. Athel Loren is a realm under siege. The King of the Woods cannot be found; the kinbands are scattered and given over to dissolute indulgence, pursuing until the last comfort over exertion.

Yet it is comfort itself that is imperiled; Should the Asrai fade from the Old World the beauty of their existence, a recordless history of leisure and frivolity without equal, will disappear, leaving the clamoring, scrabbling bustle of the outside world without counterpoint or enlightening example. It is a dark time. But even in the deep gloom of autumn, a hope flickers. A whisper on the winds, melodious like the clinking of tea cups on saucers.

Wood Elves soon.

>>158560037
Mannfred did nothing wrong

>>158560864
wow Warhammer sure have a lot of unit variety to squeeze out the shekel

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>>158562401
>Wood Elves soon
>Implying

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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future KISLEV DLC
faction traits:
>Vanguard of Civilization: diplomatic bonuses with factions of Order
>Riders of the Endless Steppe: 20% movement bonus when in home territory
>"Land is Kislev, Kislev is Land": 50% bonus income from trade buildings
>"Is of no matter": Replenishment bonus when in war with factions of Chaos

>Legendary Lord
Tzar Boris Bokha
Katarin Bokha (Ice Magic)
>Lords
Boyar
>Heroes
Ice Witch (Ice magic)
Priest of Ursun
Rotamaster

>Infantry
Gospodar Militia (spear infantry)
Kossars (axe and bow variants)
Streltsi (handgunners, switch to great weapons in melee)
Partisans (axes and bow variants, with vanguard deployment)
Kreml Guard (heavy infantry, great weapons)
>Cavalry
Druzhina (light melee, skirmishers)
Ungol Horse Archers (duh)
Winged Lancers (heavy melee, spears)
Gryphon Legion (elite heavy melee, spears)
Brotherhood of the Bear (monstrous cavary)
>artillery
Urugan Cannons
Mortars
War Waggon
>monsters
Children of Ursun (pack of bears)

>>158563576
I wanna play this so bad. The Russian mod is so shit.

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>>158563576
>We will never, EVER get to play this.

I haven't touched Attila for ages and I never finished my WRE campaign - I stopped when I was invading the sassynids for some reason.

Are there any mods you guys would say are essential or would strongly recommend?

Is the new DLC for WH good? Should I get it? New dwarf guy seems ok and interesting lore, and I like squigs and gobbos too so I really feel like I'd like it but thought asking here for opinions would be nice

>>158564160
Best Warhammer DLC by far, it's like Grim&Grave, but improved on all aspects

and if you are a MPfag, get it before Squig herds and RoRs get nerfed

ASININE MORTAL

>>158563576
>kislev has more units than bretonnia

lol

>>158563576

KISVLEV HAS >NO< FUCKING BEAR CAV

>>158563950
>>158563870
>no improved southern realms where mymidia and luccini compete to get the better trade deals while bilbali and magritta seek out treasures in the new world and border princes get a strigoi ghoul king for a liege lord
>no araby dlc with arab shit
>no kraka drak dlc with norse dorfs armed with rune swords

At least you'll get three flavors of elf

>>158564472
Really? I can bearly believe it.

>>158564472
Indeed. But I doubt GW would give a shit if CA decided to make a throwaway fanservice unit for a minor faction in a dead setting.

>>158564598
I really hope theres an expanded minor factions dlc somewhere down the line.

ded thred

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>>158565564
Smash da Stunties! Take dere holds! Crush dere idols!

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What do you fags think of FoTE for Atilla? I want to like it, but it nerfs the fuck out of everything. Like you took the most boring aspects of DEI, and none of the cool regional auxillaries/ unique shit like gastraphetes.

>>158563996
A-anyone?

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>playing skarsnik
>haven't even gotten into Barak Varr until turn 133 because every neighbour wanted a piece of my sweet green ass at the start
>dorfs are broken, greenskin in shambles, and I can't take Eight Peaks because of the fuckhuge garrison and army
>chaos has completely annhiliated everything without archaon even appearing and are now targeting me

I played the game slowly because usually the AI can hold themselves against chaos without any major issue, atleast the first invasion, but this time they were buttfucked almost immediately. I have no income, no towns or provinces to raid.

I'm seriously considering restarting. I think the reason the AI fell so quickly is because I have that mod that disables the difficulty based public order penalties and bonuses, but fuck playing as orcs without it.

>>158564759
They'd be really dumb NOT to make as many DLCs as possible.
If I were in charge at CA - I'd deffinitely bargain with GW to let us release all possible factions even stuff like Nippon, Cathay etc.

>>158566025

Not really, no. Game is fine vanilla.

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Daily Reminder that gobbo lives don't matter

>>158566747
>>158565564

So what's the source on this anyway.

>>158566025
Get the legacy tech mod for Romans, fucking stupid to have your shit artificially gimped. Maybe a mod to make AI colonize razed cities, or the irrigation = fertility mod if you wanna make the climate change irrelevant

>>158566382
Didn't Araby and Kislev both have army lists in the 1990s anyway? Just pull those up and BAM- DLC. Who gives a fuck if they don't mix well with the 8th edition? Bretonnians are coming straight from the 6th edition anyway and Slavs are desperate for not-Slavia to be in game.

>>158566360
Skarsnik's prodder gives him +6 public order doesn't it? Also doesn't the big boss you have get the "increase public order" deployment option or is that just the dwarf thanes?

>>158566923
I'm pretty sure Kislev will be playable.
They wouldnt bother giving them unique voiceovers otherwise.

>>158567059
No, they increase defense against agents for the province deploy

>>158567059
besides, the way greenskins increase public order is by fighting dissidents. its like, the most thematic use of public order for proppa orks.

So I started a game with Wurrzag and am already a 50 turns in, the dwarfs are closing in on me, public order is shit and Wurrzag is dancing real funky.

What good hero traits should he get? Got route marcher, savages and savage orcs going and some magic buffs.

>>158566856
>http://mangafox.me/manga/goblin_slayer/v01/c001/35.html

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ahaha look at the little stuntie faggot run

>>158560206
Thanks kind anon for posting it, I'm often too late ;_;

Also rollan, need something after my Skarsnik campaign

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>>158566747

>>158568105
>1280x720
hahahahahah dumb smelly grobi

>>158567059

Prodder gives +5, but the quest chain is really long and it takes a heck of time getting it.

Even then it doesn't help you since your primary issue won't be PO but every single Empire and Bretonnian province wanting to buttfuck your precious gobbo ass.

>>158567584

Yeah, good luck with that when you have low income, few armies and are surrounded by enemies. Also let's not forget the constant fullstack that gets sent after you from the Gits.

>>158567115
Playing as tomb kangz and going up against imperials with arab names would be kind of retarded

>>158568270
Karl has mugi-tier eyebrows

>>158568389
>wipe shitty dorfs out early on
>then burn down bretonnian and imperial towns near your mountains

Problem solved

>>158568389
oh i know its the wrong way to play the game. Its just too bad because its soooo close to being the best way for orks to fix public order.

Are there any good overhauls released for TW: Attila besides Ancient Empires and Medieval Kingdoms coming out?

>>158568606
Like, what if instead of being able to choose kill captives for +x leadership, it was +x public order in [current/or all?] provinces on next turn.

>>158566856
goburin suraia

>>158568558

Actually, that's what I did. I decided not to take Eight Peaks but went instead West to protect my flank. Problem then was that Chaos had steamrolled through the entire Empire without Archaon even arriving.

I'm thinking that since I use that PO mod the AI can't handle the invasion as easily, so I might have to download a mod that either makes Chaos arrive later or just make Varg and Skaelings less aggressive.

>>158568886
Or march all the way to the chaos wastes through the mountains, conquer Kraka Drak and then wipe chaos out at the source

Skarsnik is tricksy, he lays his trap for the spiky humies

>>158568105
>orc general
ahaha kys yourself

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>>158568989

Impossible to do that now though. My income is in shatters and I'm the only faction that's next to Archaon. Even the vampires got snuffed out.

So yeah, might as well restart and try to focus on going west instead. Atleast I've learnt how to use gobbos effectively.

What mechanic for the grand campaign does /twg/ wish was in the game?

I'd like some form of morale at an army level. So like, being able to hype up your units so they get a big buff to leadership before battles. Or maybe cause deserters in enemy armies.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
__________ROME_________

>>158570528
>morale at an army level
What is Fightiness/Integrity

I'd like resources, trade and raiding to be more meaningfull. Have animated tradeships/caravans, raiding a trade route gives more gold than raiding the region.
High tech buildings should require access to particular resources again.

>>158570827
QUEEN OF THE SILVER DEPTHS.

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>>158570528
>Supply Lines.
>A more active governance and politics system.
>AI that actually functions independantly and behaves to further it's own power instead of spam all it's armies at you while getting fucked.

I want an actual campaign map.

>>158571176
>A more active governance and politics system.
Attila made a few cautious steps in this direction, hopefully next title will advance that system

>>158571257
>Implying CA cares about making advancements when they can just let modders do all the work while they reap $160 - $200 a game per person.

You poor soul...

>>158571372
but they literally did make advancements with Attila, they just played it very cautiously, the system as it is there can be tuned to be much more involved and interesting

>>158571257
>>158571176
>they liked the influence management bullshit
You are the cancer killing Total War.

>>158571176

Might as well play any Paradox game instead since they do diplomacy atleast somewhat good.

Stellaris is also really good, check it out.

>>158570528
Oh, also I would fucking love to be able to create static defenses on the map. Like a fort or watch tower that has a circle of influence.

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Does /twg/ agree?

>>158571894
For myself, no. But i can totally understand that stance.

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>>158571894

So what's the cocksocker being pissy about now.

>>158571749
Paradox games have fantastic campaign maps but nonexistant combat mechanics.

Is it so bad to want a good campaign AND good combat instead of just one or the other?

>>158571894
>fix the campaign
What's wrong with it?

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>>158571894
Isn't that the guy who keeps exploiting the AI and them complains that the game is too easy?

>>158571894
Doesn't this guy cheese the fuck out of everything all the time, even in multiplayer? It doesn't sound as though he knows how to have fun without being a gigantic tryhard.

>>158572097

Stellaris has actual combat mechanics.

>>158560206

>>158571894
I agree completely. CA needs to stop screwing the pooch on every release and relying on Modders to fix their turds.

>>158572096
>>158572119
The AI makes no independant decisions whatsoever and could care less about their own survival, instead bumrushing the player no matter the distance with all of their forces.
Regional management has become barebones and boring. They took a step forward with Attila and then immediately took three steps back by removing regional governance, family trees, and food.
Autoresolve is more garbage than ever.
Brayherds and Waaagh Mechanics is a fucktarded idea and the armies should have just been put under player control instead of a buggy AI.

This campaign map is the worst yet and it has the worst and most cheaty AI of the whole series.

>>158572148
>>158572168
Being a dick =/= not having any point.

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WEZ DA BEST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbUu1Olsv8o&ab_channel=TemplarWyvern

>>158571894
Lol, what a gay.

>>158560206
I would enjoy a roll

>>158572758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TmZFm6NHfA

THEY HAVE WRONGED US!

>>158572561
Legend please go

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>>158572561

>family trees
>in fucking Warhammer

Really? We doing this again?

>Brayherds and Waaagh Mechanics is a fucktarded idea and the armies should have just been put under player control instead of a buggy AI.

Nah, that would be exploitable as fuck. The current iteration of the mechanic is crude but it does its job.

The AI should definately care more about its own survival though, he's right about that. The chaos invasion is hilariously broken because of this since it's posible for a single chaos fullstack to wipe out a faction if their armies are fighting somewhere else. I recommend using a mod that makes the garrissons better. It helps the AI a lot.

Is there any point to allying with your brother dwarfs as belegar? Karak Hirn and Karak Norn seem to always go to war with neighboring humans and demand you join them, which kind of fucks things up if your plan is to eventually get Karak Eight Peaks

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>>158572234
I said good combat mechanics.

>>158572561
>Autoresolve is more garbage than ever.
This pisses me off the most. Playing on Very Hard you actively get PENALIZED for fighting most large battles instead of autoresolving. The only time fighting a battle feels worth it is if the AI is using its classic 12 artillery build

>>158571020
Also they should let you assign a garrison to trade caravans, or that building the trade depot buildings garrisons them so that if orcs are sitting on the trade route your caravans can fight them off

>>158572980
Not so much family trees, but atleast some systems that make characters more than "Lol, I'm just some rando nobody leading an army" Everyone complained about it in Rome 2, and they brought it back here.

>>158570528
Assuming you want a single mechanic and not something vague like better diplomacy and governance;

Something I've wanted since Shogun 2 is the ability to bribe enemies to change sides DURING a battle. Which has historical precedence.

But if there are multiple armies, I'd like to be able to bribe one to come in on my side or have an ability in the ui that makes them switch sides and trap the enemy.

Make it difficult to do, like it's success rate is dependent on money, your factions power level, and the loyalty of the general you're bribing.

>>158572096
He is a salty elffag

>>158573152

For Paradox it's pretty damn good. A well designed fleet can take out other fleets that are several times stronger depending on their layout.

>>158573321

That would be the LLs. Everyone else is kind of headcanon.

>>158573204
Oh god the AI stacks are so awful.
Yes, I love fighting 17 Savage Orc Archers/19 boar Boyz/12 Mortars/20 Fellbats/ 15 Chaos Giants
It's so challenging and fun!

Fucking garbage....

>>158573152
Spaceship combat is still combat

>>158572980
There are certain things they could fix

For example the way they have Boris being anti-emperor is a good way to have the relationships of the characters represented

If you start as Ungrim then Karak Kadrin should always be friendly to you

>>158560206

>>158573526
>7 days since DLC dropped
>better AI recruitment STILL NOT UPDATED

Seriously fuck that guy. He takes longer and longer every update.

>>158573519
LLs are a given...I'm talking the generics...even in warhammer lore the generi-tier leaders were still important and had lore...


Also on these notes...Why the fuck are Skarsnik and Belegar MILES AWAY from Karak Eight Peaks? Why did CA decide to put them in the middle of bumfuck nowhere instead of around the place where they friggin live. Skarsnik goes squig hunting? In Bretonnia? What the fuck!?

>>158573592
Ungrim should just start at Karak Kadrin tbqh

leave main factions with their LL leader + LL sidekick
>Karl & Volkmar (Gelt to Wissenland)
>Grimgor & Azhag
>Thorgrim & Grombrindal (Ungrim to Karak Kadrin)
>Mannfred & Ghorst (Vlad somewhere in the Border Princes with the goal to retake Drakenhof, and Kemmler as a horde in Bretonnia/Mousillon)

>>158573781
Like... woah... dude...

You're blowin my mind...

Dude!?!?!

>>158573759
>Blaming the modders
Actually It's CA's fault this time. Remember how Radious quit? CA is refusing to give extended patch notes for modders so every update a modder has to go through every single file to find what miniscule differences there are between his changed files and the game's files.
For some mods this can mean 30-40 hrs of just straight boring filework for NO PAY and UNGRATEFULNESS OF IMPATIENT PLAYERS.

It's no wonder the mod isn't updated yet.

>>158573759
Seriously fuck CA. They fuck things harder and harder every update.

>>158573781
>...
>friggin
>ALL CAPS
>!?

Quick question: how old are you?

>>158571749
not that anon, but I am probably too casual for gsg, they look daunting

>>158571894
he is a textbook example of a nostalgia-faggot, and I dont even like warhammer all that much

>>158571625
sue me

>>158573993
I thought Radious quit cause he was a bitch ass nigga who couldn't handle the banter.

>>158573526
I'd prefer if buildings you have in your empire limit what you can have in an army stack. Like, if you have a squig pit, you can have up to 2 squig units in every army. If you have 2 squig pits, you can have 4. Etc. etc.

Just make the basic army stuff have unlimited size, like orc boyz, and swordsman.

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>>158574046
>>158574165

>>158574165
if being a "bitch ass nigga who couldn't handle the banter" was the reason, he'd have quit by Attila as the latest

>>158573526
It's amazing that if you look at the army templates CA actually made it so the AI would produce armies like that on purpose. The dwarfs have the most balanced army template, most likely due to not having cavalry.

Really makes you ponder if they even play their own game.

>skulltakers keep not fucking off
>even though my army is right next to them they raze karak bhufdar and then I wipe them out next turn

Really enjoying the suicidally aggressive ai

>>158574403
They don't. ever since Empire they don't run extended betas for their games anymore they release it in a sub-beta state and then patch it based on what the community that bought it tells them.

They do this because they know they can.

>>158574064

>not that anon, but I am probably too casual for gsg, they look daunting

Old Paradox titles were daunting. Modern titles like EU4 are easy and fun as fuck once you get into them. Stellaris is arguably the easiest to learn as well, try it out. The latest 1.3 patch made the game considerably better. Also a ton of mods to download.

>>158572998
No point at all. You ideally want them to get wrecked and take their land.

>>158573759
>better AI recruitment STILL NOT UPDATED
Read the comments. He's not gonna update it.

>>158574165
Radious quit because he got assblasted CA wouldnt endorse his epic mod on their YouTube channel.

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>>158572758

Are we in the /vg/ cup? Will Napoopan be the mvp again?

>>158573781
>Belagar
Karak Izor funded a new expedition to take back the whole mountain

>Skarsnik
His whole mountain rebelled after he went on a squig hunt

>>158575560
they did...

>AI is yellow on trade and non-aggression acceptance
>get non-aggression pact
>now they are red on trade

Holy shit why does the AI hate trade deals so much?

>>158568105
>Orc warboss on Skarnsiks army

God damnit CA

>get non-aggression pact with wissenland
>they declare war on me the next turn

CA fix your shitty fucking AI

>>158575560
he actually quit because they refused to give out full patch notes to modders...

see
>>158573993

>>158577198
If it made Radious quit then why are people complaining about it?

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>>158574165
>>158575560
>>158577274
We get it, you hate Radious.

>>158577409
Since when has hating Radious been "bait"?

>>158576257
>He still cares about >rigged circlejerks

>>158577409
>Elite Shitpost Thrower (Armored Light Cataphract Camel Archer)

>Tilea doesn't have Sartosa as their third city

Why?

>Shogun 2

First load time: Very long
Battle load time: Short
Turn time: Long

>Rome 2

First load time:Short
Battle load time: Short
Turn time: Long

>Attila

First load time: Short
Battle load time: Long
Turn time: Very long

>Warhammer

First load time: Very fast
Battle load time: Very long
Turn time: Very fast

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Tomb Kings desu

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>Legendoftotalwar, the most tryhard of all players, brags about how he trashes everyone in quick battles, especially players who play dwarfs
>gets matched against based Heir of Carthage who casually picked dwarfs to check out new lord
>Legend gets absolutely trashed, resorts to playing for the timer to run out because he can't win but Heir has no way of catching his faster units and fliers
>"i-it was a draw"
damn I love Heir

>>158578228
Has he played Turin? Cause Heir is honestly barely above average as a MP caster.

>>158573993
Hey there Radius. Thought you quit?

>>158578228

I beat legend in a 2v2, he literally suicided his mannfred on a zombie dragon

>>158578424
W-we get it! You don't like Radious, now stop bullying him!

>>158578571
Inept dipshits are for bullying, just like goblins.

>>158578228
To be fair Heir only did well because of Grombrindal

>>158578424
>>158578571
>I hate discussing reasonably about actual problems plagueing the series and prefer to meme shitpost to distract from your points.

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Is there any way to sabotage another faction in order to force a confederation from them? As Empire I really really want wissenland at around turn 20. But they are a 3 region province and are pretty tough for the other AI factions, they usually go to war with stirland and wreck them. I think my best bet is somehow ensuring that skarsnik gets strong and he'll destroy wissenland's army, meanwhile wissenland thinks im his buddy because of treaties and will go for a confederation.

>>158578702

is he that strong?

>>158578113
The faster turn times in warhammer is due to the game engine being 64bit, apparently

>>158579013
He's stronger than Grimgor, and only costs slightly more than Belegar.

>>158579013
He got 167 kills + he has massive buffs/debuffs

>>158579158
King Louen and the Pally Air Force ain't a shove over either

>>158560206

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So what happened with the loading times in Warhammer? After the DLC hit I've been getting way much longer than usual, and I haven't changed anything in the settings.

>>158578334
Heir is pretty good with army picking and engagement decisions, but his micro and situational awareness is bad

>>158578702
No, he did well because Legend decided to blob all his melee units into 2 big groups and then get flanked and enveloped by fucking dwarf infantry half the number

>>158574835
crusader kings looked the most interesting, is that one complex for someone with 0 experience with gsg?

>>158579345
Maybe not related, but hell, give it a shot.

On saturday or sunday windows did an update to defender that forces it to scan every file as its being accessed. If you add your games as exceptions to it you will notice a fucking ton of speed up on load times.

This caused Civ 6 to spend up to 15 minutes loading

>>158577274
because all actually decent mods suffer from it

>>158579529

Huh, really? That might be it. Gonna give it a chance.

>>158579513

CK2 is a nightmare for beginners. Start with EU4, or Stellaris. HoI4 is also considerably easier compared to its predecessor.

>>158579680
>Stellaris
ok, will check it out when I have more free time, I was just concerned that space games experience wouldn't be useful for history grand strats

>>158579513
CK2 is average in terms of complexity, more complex than HoI4 or Stellaris, about the same level as EU4, slightly easier than Victoria 2

But, most of all, it's really completely different from those other games, because it focuses on playing a character, not a nation

>>158579013
>temporary map-wide Unbreakable
>best stats in a lord
>debuffs out of it's ass
gee I wonder

>>158579838

Archaon still has the best melee stats of any lord.

For some reason he loses to belegar every time though, despite the fact he has magic attacks

>>158579529
>>158579680

Well, can't be Defender because it's disabled on my comp.

It always gets stuck close to the end, at about 3/4s through.

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>>158579905

He is the "Everchosen"

>>158579508
Completely agreed. Its his army picking, and research and willingness to learn how to play better that makes him worth watching in my opinion.

But yeah, when you watch how he plays compared to actually good players its pretty obvious.

Again, Turin is a good example. He has several videos on his channel that he should have straight lost, but he pulls out the win through something like sheer force.

Hier is a much better caster though.

>>158579905

Belegar is just insane when it comes to Lord/Hero sniping. He can take on Grimgor and come out with half of his hp.

>>158579513
>>158579680
The issue with Paradox games is that they were once pretty accessible and easy to get into, but those endless DLCs added tons of bloat, so now new players are totally lost in the middle of ridiculous amounts of arbitrary limitations and gameplay mechanics.

>>158580094
>some faggot on steam tries to tell me that wh is the best total war ever

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This is the difference between Chosen with great weapons and Chosen with halberds

I don't think the anti cav is worth it

Why didn't CA just give you a choice with village siege battles? You don't like them? Great! You can choose to sally out and fight in the open field. You do like them? great! you can play in a village defense as normal.

Now it's 'fuck you, you can only play it this way.

Also Capital sieges are broken.

>>158580685
>This unit designed to kill armored infantry does better at killing the armored infantry designed for killing armored cavalry than vice versa
wow. Such good research you did there.

>>158580685
>Anti-infantry infantry beats anti-cavalry infantry
Did you really need to run a test for that?

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Standard chosen perform a bit better oddly enough despite no AP

>>158580917

You're not very smart are you? These comparisons aren't for you

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>>158580685
No they are not. a couple warriors is fine to bog down is fine but for the investment you'd rather have the straight killing power, most cav is armored anyway so GW still do work against them as long as they didn't get charged.

>>158580685
No shit baby dick. If you compare halberd chaos warriors to halberd chosen, you'll see that the chosen just get like +20 extra anti large. For me, I only use chosen with great weapons or shields, and I only use chaos warriors with halberds or shields.

>karak izor has no roads and thus cannot trade with other dorfs

Whose fucking bright idea was this?

>>158580685
>I don't think the anti cav is worth it

That's something to decide when you test both units vs cavalry m8.

Or better against large infantry like Crypt horrors.

>>158579905
I thought dorfs had damage reduction to magic attacks?

>>158581046

Indeed, that's what I was thinking, halberds lose too much as an actual infantry unit and the killing power of GW might just make up for it against cav.

>>158580994
But he's right.

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>>158581121
Underway trading when?

>>158580685
>>158580994
Tell you what. Run each of the chosen in a one on one vs Minotaurs with great weapons. Post the differences here.

>>158581046
>>158581295

The melee damage breakdown would be:

Halberds 4 more MD, charge defence vs large
10 normal dmg
26 ap
22 vs large (can't tell if this is also ap dmg)
36 total, 58 vs large

GW 10 more MA, 16 more charge
12 normal dmg
34 ap
46 total

It's hard to find a situation where Halberds would be the better buy, not until they get a cost reduction

>>158581601
>CA could have easily made it so that you could trade with any other dwarf faction
>choose to limit the dwarfs the same way humans are limited

stuff like that makes this game feel a bit more like a well done mod than an actual warhammer game

>>158581759
Are you taking into account the difference in attack speed?

>>158581759
I believe bonuses vs infantry and large count as AP damage

>>158581601
Underway is filled with greenskins, skaven, niggers, and half of it has collapsed.

>>158581874
Why would they make it a game when they know modders can do it for them?

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>>158581745

Since minotaurs with great weapons have much worse melee stats than standard minotaurs I'm going with the standard ones (although I'd be curious to test shieldied ones too, they have less MA but much more MD)

Chosen with GW

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>>158582110

Here's taking the charge with halberds, perfect situation

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>>158582048
>Underway is filled with niggers

Makes sense, they have natural camouflage.

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>>158582417

Countercharging was actually more effective, wut

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Where's the best place to buy the dlcs?
GMG seems to be regionlocked to great britain now.

>>158582651
>GMG seems to be regionlocked to great britain now.

Source?

>>158582110
Oh right, yes i forgot. Minotaurs with great weapons are made for killing large targets. All minotaurs have AP.

Yes, you picked the better thing to test with.

Regardless, you can see that against the right targets like >>158582417
halberds do have a purpose.

Hence the meta game involved. Which is what makes a game like this great!

>>158582651
Just wait til your pic related is elected, then you'll get a global, borderless market to make GMG great again

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I did it all Jesus, I did it all...

>>158583031
TW WH is not available in my country it seems on GMG

>tfw disbanding my ethereal heroes after taking karak eight peaks
>tfw pretending they finally found peace and I don't need their help anymore

Do I have autism?

Is FOTS worth playing?
I want to feel some of that artillery and gunpowder, but people are telling me Empire is shit.

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>>158583663
desu the best way to deal with sometihng like a minotaur is to feed it the cheapest unit you have while blasting it with missile fire, or distract the dumb ai with a cav unit. Plus lets say you do bring a your special halberd chosen just to counter a minotaur, minotaur are twice as fast and the ai wont charge antilarge units like that. So realistically you halberd chosen are probably going to end up fighting some infantry and under preform for their cost.

I remember in my chaos campaign i started with a chosen halberd and i was finding him to be useless, so one battle vs dwarfs i just sent him off to the side to keep some enemy units busy. my halberd fucking lost vs 2 dwarf warriors.

>>158584121
>autism
Its called role playing

>>158584148
FOTS has the best artillery in TW
They are fun and powerful

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>>158583031
I could buy the beastmen dlc from GMG but can't anymore.

>>158584148
Napoleon or FOTS. Pick what setting you like better if you don't mind that FOTS has melee units as well

Empire is shit. I just reinstalled it and uninstalled it after about an hour of playing

I'm in the mood for a "Karl Franz gets horribly raped from all sides by the enemies of Man" campaign. Recommend some appropriate mods, /twg/.

>>158584542

I don't have Napoleon.
For some reason it didn't come with the TW pack I bought.

>>158584167
A perfectly valid argument! That said, since they cost the same as the great weapons, having a single unit of them to deal with the targets they are designed for makes sense.

In campaign this matters less than in MP though, cause you can literally make an entire elite army if you want.

Again, I like that this exists though. It rewards good players for playing better. As you stated, using a marauder to pin the minotaurs and then shooting them down would probably be more cost effective every time. But it requires more micro on your part (a tiny bit). So once again, the better player will be able to deal with the situation easier.

That said, there are other units that will come to them that halberds excel at. Giants, Arachnoroks, steam tanks. So knowing your opponents army means you can pick the more appropriate units.

>>158584667
>"Karl Franz gets horribly raped"

Franz-Slaneesh rape scene when?
>this action does not have my consent

>>158584148
Very worth playing

Can anyone else please confirm that there are new/rerecorded voiceovers for Bretonnian units as of this patch?

Muh lady soon?

>>158578725
If you say so, boyyo.

>>158584667

>Karl Franz gets horribly raped from all sides by the enemies of Man

Stop autoresolving battles with Karl and you will find out the only one doing the raping is him

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G O B L I N S

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>>158584883
Bretonnia is the next FreeLC

>>158584971
>Stop autoresolving battles with Karl
How about you recommend me some good mods then, you double elector count.

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>>158584991

>>158585034
next FLC is Lore of Magic + wizard, unless they will be released together with Bretonnia

>>158585034
>FreeLC

I fucking hate this term. It doesn't even make sense, it should be FDLC or Free DLC. And no, it isn't free, we've all already paid for it when we bought warhams.

>>158560864
>harpies
I have a mighty need

>>158585034
Have they made an updated version of this with Wurrzag in it?

Will they just switch around the Hero+Lore Free DLC with his slot or will they leave them blank?

>>158561242
Morhur might be like Boris, in which he gets a unique model but is just an unplayble reskin.

>>158585843
They'll add a full Boris at some point

>Slayers

>>158585208

Are you retarded?

I bet you are one of those fags on reviews that will keep crying a year after game launch when a new DLC/FreeLC gets release claiming about muh cut content.

Kys.

cult of ulric units whence?

HAHAHHA here we GO again, another round of stale memes and shitposting.
another round of tomb kangz,meme rats, meme elves, meme goblins, meme squigs, AHHHH rome, le ebin vlad, and etcetera.

I'm fucking tired of this general, you autists are the absolute bane of this board, holy shit I would stomp every single one of you meme spouting neckbeards in a second with my bare hands.
For the love of god stop posting these memes, I'm tired, I just want to discuss Total War and not have to scroll trough a wall of memes.
Enough is enough.

>>158585843

If they intend to even out the LL count as they've stated I don't see why they would. Empire can afford to have Boris be semi generic. Beasts don't have nearly as many notable characters.

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>>158586048

>Gotrek finally gets into the game
>He's shit

>>158586085
If there isn't an exclusive empire DLC, I'll send CA an angrily worded letter

>>158586132
AHHHHHH /twg/ the eternal general

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>>158586054

>>158586132
W-wait, where's the tomb kings guy?

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>>158586274

>I was just pretending! I trolled you!!!!1111

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>>158583909
Good Job
Is that Eras?

>>158586505
I think that anon is implying that YOUR post is so retarded that it must be (You) bait.

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Spiky bitz cutting
Folded over mirrion times
Dawi weep in the plains

As belegar I discovered an easy way to fix the cash problems people are having

Because of the high relations you have with everyone once you research the right technologies multiple AI factions will ask for an alliance each turn usually some of which will offer money to you. Do the counter offer and remove the alliance but keep the gold, thus far they always accept the deal to give you a gift and you get more money.

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>>158587278
Congratulations, you won a battle against a low-tier AI army using mid/high-tier troops.

>>158586497

Shit, I don't think he's posted the gif for a few threads now

>>158572998
It can work out if you ally with them for a few turns and then Confederate

>>158586497
arrested for having child porn

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>you will never nibble on her pointy ears while she punches you in the balls

>opening cinematic will only include first 4 factions

LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

>>158587830
Delete this!
Tomb Kings guy is pure!

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>Tomb Kings delayed indefinitely

>>158584883
It sounds like they have a lot more different frenchies voicing them, each duke seems to have a unique voice now

>>158585034
The Bretonnia FLC would launch with the Call of the Wood Elves Campaign pack as well

>>158560206
I AM PRINCE, AND EMPEROR

>>158588216
Do skeletons have magic muscles or something? How do they move?

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>>158586497
he became on of them RATTLE

>>158585843
Morghur and the Bretonnians will be playable factions in the Wood Elves minicampaign alongside the wood elves

They're making things not shit this time

>>158585203
You realize the Wood Elves will make Morghur a FLC LL right? The chart was valid in May, since then they've changed a lot of stuff like pushing the Wood Elves back and releasing the K8P DLC first

>>158585208
Unless you're autistic it does make sense

It's just an abbreviation where the d is subsumed, there are abbreviations like that

>>158588364
Depends on the setting. I think these ones act more like marionettes that use magic strings.

>>158588364
>are magically animated skeletons magic

I don't know anon

>>158561467
Daemonslayers aren't usually considered a 'lord' choice and they used to have rules meaning they couldn't command an army. Doesn't make sense that a suicidal dwarf who has hit rock bottom in the eyes of every other dwarf could lead a throng.

>>158588070
>>158587830
>McMichael claimed that this was "a joke"

>>158584667
Please, lads. You have my consent.

>>158588364
Dark magic. There is a specific branch of necromancy called calciomancy meaning "divination from calcium". However the skeletons still need to be screwed together or bound with leather scraps. Calciomancers can also theoretically control limestone allowing them to create golems.

>>158588761
explain ungrim ironfist then

>>158588753
Nigger I want the mechanics, not magic hand waving.

What does the magic actually do to animate them?

>>158585843
I just read up on Morghur in the Beastmen rulebook, turns out he isn't even a Lord, but a Hero, and he doesn't even have any special equipment.

Huh.

>>158589068
Ungrim's oath is hereditary, he didn't hit rock bottom.

>>158589068
He's the Slayer King, he's a King who's also a slayer.

>>158583909
What mod is this? Looks like stainless steel 6.4, but not completely.

>>158560206
I WILL NOT STAND IDLE

>>158589068
>Be king
>Do shameful shit
>Take the slayer oath
>Can't jump to the biggest battle because of a King's oath to protect his people (both oaths have the same value)
>Both oaths are hereditary
>Repeat ad infinitum

Being the Slayer King is the only thing that makes Ungrim stand out

>>158589343
but does he slay kings? is his house name Lannister?

>>158589740
That joke doesn't work, for it to work, he'd have to be the King Slayer

>>158589685

Dont think he did anything shameful or oath breaking

He's part of a long line of Slayer Kings and he's most likely going to be the last one too since he doesnt have an heir

>>158590015
His ancestor did, and he just takes the family heritage

I think he did have an heir in old canon tho

>>158589685
Why does he wear armor if hes a slayer?

>>158590196
His heir died during the End Times, fulfilling the Slayer's Oath.

>>158590343
Because he's also a King, who has a duty to survive to continue to lead his people.

Dorf logic, don't even try to make sense of it.

>>158590343
A king is bound by oath to lead his people by all means (aka. keeping himself "safe" as long as possible)

The slayer oath is about dying in battle against the biggest foe (being naked makes it much easier, but slayers aren't strictly forbidden from wearing armor)

or something like that

>>158590343

Cuz most stunties are pussies

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>>158587572
congratulations, you're a whiny faggot

>>158590659
So did Ungrim, he pulled a John Snow

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>>158590343

He has an oath to stay alive to serve as King and also an oath to die in battle as a Slayer

>>158591006
Calling people faggot like you're still in high-school is pretty gay, anon, not gonna lie.

>>158591225
Do you think Bardin has an oath to find that lost Hold?

>>158591337
He has an oath to rape the elf for calling him a LUMBAH FOOT

>>158591445
>implying she wouldn't hear it coming

>>158591445
But will his mulch burn her thrOOOOat?

>>158591501
She would be too distracted dealing with One-Eye's one eye, if you know what I mean.

>>158591742
There are no beastmen in the game therefore no such thing would happen

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>>158592703
There is another one eye beast around here.

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I expect a complete win

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AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
_____Rome.______

>>158560206
rollin

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>>158593001
I found that after a fucking million sieges as dorfs on Legendary, if you have a single Gate upgrade on a capital, you cannot lose a defensive siege.

On a settlement, if you have walls, no less than two full stacks can overcome you. Seriously, fighting the End Times is just a matter of waiting for Archaeon's doomstacks to run into my max-upgraded capitals and annihilate them with cannon and shot. It was kinda disappointing where the End Times isn't a threat if you get a 5000-gold town upgrade.

>>158592882
He'd much rather penetrate her with his rapier the actual one.

>>158593409
CA fucks up balance again. No one is surprised by this and no one will do anything about it.

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>>158593409

It was actually pretty close

>>158593409
Easy for you to say, I have the uncivilised north enabled so there's 7 odd marauder factions baring down on me with 3 stacks each and archaon just spawned as well..

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Dug through various rulebooks and special lists to see how many units could possibly be added from where we are currently. These rosters can still be made even larger by a substantial amount, apparently. And this doesn't even count RoR or fluff-only units.

>>158593001
>literally 1wall2gates
Cant make this shit up.

>>158594592
???

>>158594592
>still trying to imply you ever did anything different in previous sieges

AI couldn't siege for shit

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>>158593935
I have 2x unit mods, and due to confederating too much, I had the End Times arrive at turn fucking 58. 200 Chosen units, Hellcannons with 2 cannons each, chaos giants with two giants to the unit. I dare say it made little difference.

Funnily, with Kholek having 2x his usual hitpoints, with 50% ward save and 50% missile resistance, he doesn't take damage from cannons or slayers. A cannonball will bounce off of him and take off maybe 2-300 hitpoints from his titanic 17,5000 pool. Only a full posse of heroes can hope to battle him.

>>158594907

What mod is that?

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>27 (TWENTY SEVEN) DAYS SINCE THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER
>AE STILL NOT RELEASED

>>158560206
benis

>Paradox shilling in my /twg/
Absolutely fucking disgusting. Remove yourself you tryhards.

I went back to a Rome 2 save I had and for some reason it keeps crashing during the AI turn. is there anything I can do it fix it?

>>158590659
Nah, Garagrim was already dead in the regular 8th ed fluff.

Damn shame, he was a really cool character.

>>158596128
it'll be ready when it's ready.be glad that they're taking the extra time to iron bugs the fuck out (unlike CA)

Do you want a buggy mess now or a stable game later?

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G O B L I N S WHEN

>>158594136
>Shadow Druids
>Strigany
>Mournguls

Okay seriously, where are all those extra VC units from? I see them mentioned here occasionally.

How many units do you need to spawn a brayherd as beastmen again?

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>>158596920
>say it will be done a date
>sorry guys its going to be longer
>lol it might be done by December guys hope you are fine with that ;)

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>>158597128
Not the guy you're replying to but:

Mournguls = Warhammer version of the Wendigo
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Mourngul

Strigany didn't ever have models so far as I know, but they're Warhammer gypsies. Travel from town to town in caravans, viewed with suspicion by authorities, secretly loyal to monstrous Strigoi vampire overlords. Like the Sylvannian miltia but for a Strigoi subfaction, probably.

Never heard of shadow druids but I don't doubt thats a thing.

>>158597410
Things happen. It's not intentional you rage-happy leper. How would you feel if you had to do something big and then it started fucking up at the end and you had to stop to fix it, only to have everyone yell at you for not releasing it even though it's broke as hell?

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POOPOO

>>158597331
17

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>>158584991

I know slayers are shit but watching them go at it against endless orcs is so great to watch

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>>158597128
>>158597710
> Like the Sylvannian miltia but for a Strigoi subfaction, probably
Indeed. Both are from the 6th edition VC book. Also, Lahmians can get "swain" versions of other factions' hero units. Necrarchs can field non-mount Zombie Dragons.

> Never heard of shadow druids
Army of the Leichmaster is an alternate list based around Heinrich Kemmler and introduces this hero, as well as the Simulacra, Barrow Stalker, Ghosts, and Embalmed Ones. There are a few other units but they're more or less re-named units from the main roster.

>>158578223
just play VC they are prety the same

When do the huns arrive?

>>158599062
>Also, Lahmians can get "swain" versions of other factions' hero units.

Neat. I can only imagine the sort of diplomatic shenanigans possible if Lahmian heroes can fake being part of other factions.

Can you ambush in hidden encampment stance?

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im bad at this game but im pretty proud of myself with this. on very hard btw

>>158599483
After Archaon is killed

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Is CA fucking with us on purpose?

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Please don't bully Manlet von Carstein.

>>158599062
Does anyone have a complete list of the different army variants?

So far I've found:
>Zombie Pirates of the Vampire Coast
>Gnoblar Horde
>Army of the Cairns

>>158600812
Teasing cunts

>>158600908
I love watching that fat fuck fall off his gay chair

>>158600812
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!

Honestly, I don't care about the Jabberslythe, it was an ugly unit anyway, and not ugly in an "Oh my god, I'm going crazy!" way, but just plain ugly. I just want muh Ghorgon.

>>158594869
it would frequently attack from several sides though, it made beating them easier, but looked cooler