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E-Sports Edition

>Deck lists, news etc:
http://liquidhearth.com/
http://hearthstoneplayers.com/
http://hearthhead.com/
http://hearthpwn.com/

>Arena Help
http://heartharena.com/

>Open Tournaments:
https://strivewire.com/
http://play.eslgaming.com/hearthstone/
http://zotac-cup.com

>Deck Tracker:
https://hsdecktracker.net/

>Upcoming Hard Mode Brawl:
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20324471

Previous Thread:
>>158467537
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First for Java
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When is hamster on?
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digital
athletic
competition
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>tfw Yogg punishes ching chong for his shit play
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>>158492047
tomorrow i think
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Is TJ literally retarded?
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Seriously, fuck hippi that cocky shit
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>yeb
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>polymorph
is it 2014?
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DIGITAL ATHLETES
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>>158492359
idiot thinks freeze mage is control
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>trying to use brann
>against priest
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>player makes decision
>lol totem roll
Nice
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>it's that fucking discover brawl that takes 3 hours per game
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he's gonna lose because of that spellpower totem isn't he
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>>158492651
?
yuropoor stfu
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CHOKE
>CHOKE
CHOKE
>CHOKE
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god these players are so shit
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>decide i want to start playing freeze mage
>immediately proceed to unpack an ice block from the tavern brawl freebie

i feel like this shit's written in the stars
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SHIT 4Head STAIN 4Head DOWN 4Head
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>>158492047
Tomorrow
Here's the bracket
today we have the rest of this match and then ddahyoni's, which is somewhat interesting

>>158492359
>>158492420
it's for rag, so you don't have to spend burn on him
solid tech since rag's in every single goddamn deck

>>158492713
no of course not, how the fuck would he lose to that deliciously flamestrikable board
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Watching this makes me wanna stop playing rngstone. Seeing both players hands kinda ruins it
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>>158493326
Thijs didnĀ“t play yet?
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>almost 140k viewers across all broadcasts on twitch
>it's still just the group stage
BlizzCon and the playoff stage will pull 200k, easy.

why do autismos insist that Hearthstone is dead?
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>>158493965
because people watching a game doesnt help when they stop playing

starcraft 2 got a lot of viewers too
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I hope you guys were watching that last game.
I don't want to hear any more of that "nothing beats shaman" bullshit.
That is what freeze mage does to any board-based midrange or control deck in the hands of a competent pilot.
There was nothing Hippi could do. He was dead to rights from turn 3.

>>158493850
nope, not yet
top pairs play today, bottom pairs play tomorrow
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>>158494152
>healing wave
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>huntard vs. huntard

oh dear
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>>158494152
shaman just won again lad.
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>>158494152
But I don't like playing solitaire
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>>158494351
wow +7 hp big deal
and then you have a dead draw in 90% other matchups

typical fucking rank 16 yuro mtg player
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>>158493965
It never dies, it just falls asleep and wakes up. Like WoW.
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Freezemage is so interactive guys, but it somehow feels less bullshit than yogg. How do people still take this game seriously?
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>>158494152
>He was dead to rights from turn 3.

That's not how you use that idiom, Mehmet.
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>>158494152

Freeze mage is not a viable laddering deck.
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What a dead game
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>>158494479
I'm just pointing out that if Freeze Mage ever got to better than a 3% advantage, Shamans' have an over powered healing tool that they can tech in to win that matchup, too.
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>>158494479
I'm american
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>>158494501
It was better than the first 2 games at least
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Take a guess!
Hint: It's not WIIIIINDS
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>>158494569
yea and start losing to warrior LUL
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>>158494501
Because despite uninteractivity Freeze is fair deck.
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>>158494708
They already lose to Warrior.
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>>158494729
nothing fair about ice block or alex or 30otk
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>>158494669
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDS
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>>158494669
It is, mark my fuckig words
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>>158494829


They don't have 30 damage in one turn. In a game where there's gamewinning RNG shit that can't be played around, freeze mage does pretty much constitute a FAIR DECK.
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>>158494669
King Krush
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>beat face hunter
>beat secret paladin
>beats midrange shaman
Is freeze mage the best chemo deck of all time?
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>>158494829
Ice block can be removed, alex damage healed off. 30 otk is unfair but is extremly rare. I am not saying fair as in it is easy to play against, but there are tools to play against it if you really want to. Only counterplay against yogg is to win before he is played.
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>>158494994
>They don't have 30 damage in one turn.
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rekt

did chinaman misplay?
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>>158494829
>Ice Block
completely fair card. you can no longer cheat it out with Mad Scientist, so investing 3 mana into a future turn is completely fair. Requires some thought to use well.

>Alex
Fair and balanced card. Huge investment to make it worth while. Literally have to build the deck around it.

>30otk
doesn't happen unless you're playing Priest or a very slow Paladin and have a godly Emperor tick. Freeze Mage is either a 2 turn kill or burn over time.

take your Curvestone bullshit elsewhere we don't want it.
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Damn, knew I should have voted for Dr.Hippi, I just couldn't stop myself from backing the obvious Thijs pick.
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UKRAINE STONK
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I picked Hippi god I'm feeling relieved right now. So how do the rewards work?
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>>158495168
Yeah, he didn't draw his cards more better
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I'm not sure I bet on the right horse.
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>mumble mumble mumble
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>>158495104

They don't, shieldbearer. Chances are 1/1000 that it will happen even in control priest matchups.
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>>158494903
>>158494916
>>158495020
It was King Mukla. I don't want to dust him. Is there any way to play him? Mill Rogue perhaps? Some meme deck?
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What if secrets died after like 3 turns (idk correct number of turns)?
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>>158494669
>Hasn't shown the results
I bet it really was WIIIIINDS
But I think it's Malygod
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>>158495568
Very meme variants of mill rogue might run him, I think. You use the bananas to fill the opponent's hand and burn his usable cards
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>>158495568
>meme deck
mill druid
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>>158495086
>>158495226
Is this real life right now?
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This is embarassing.
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Does the new Tavern Brawl always match with a mirror? 7 games now, all mirror.
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>>158495553
It can happen all the time no matter how much you don't want to admit it
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>>158495764
The difference is Alex doesn't kill people at 15 health. Actually, Alex's battlecry never kills anything.
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>>158495764
To be fair, sometimes it's gain 14 life, summon an 8/8 dragon.
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>>158495553
they do that shit all the time thanks to evolved kobold

problem is, slow priest/pala/renodecks are nonexistant, so you usually just space it out over 2-3 turns
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>>158496005
Anon, now is not the time. We are hyped about the tournament and coming expansion. OC is far from our minds.
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>>158496056
I recede to the Brawl.
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E S P O R TS
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so who is /our guy/?
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>>158496284
HotMeowth
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>>158496284
the chink
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>>158496115
Don't worry, anon. Once Blizzard fucks up this expansion, I'll be waiting for you hot new OC featuring the new keyword they are sure to introduce.
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>>158496284
>our "guy"
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skill based game
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tfw lost 12 of these brawls already, holy shit when can Blizzard make a decent brawl that's not 100% about going first and rng.
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LUL
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>>158496384
Basically old enough to be my mother and still looks like a twelve year old boy. Surely she is perfection.
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yogg vs yogg
truly a skill matchup
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>>158496543
its makeup and photoshop
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>>158496525
lol second is best coin pirate OP
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GOOK DOWN
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>>158496284
bbgungun hobbles around on a cane so I think thats our guy
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>>158496620
Yeah that's what I meant. Instant concede if going first.
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>>158496604
I jerk off to pretend pixels on a Ukranian Nuclear Discussion BBS. You think I care if the bitch is a mound of lipstick and foundation?
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>>158496284
reynad
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>slap together a wild Rez N'Zoth Priest deck
>go from 25 to 15 without losing once
>start facing a lot of control warriors who give me trouble
>pick a wild N'Zoth Priest deck from Icy Veins or whatever thinking it would be a better deck
>now start losing against everyone
>go back to my original deck
>start winning again

Are all icy veins decks so shit?
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Now this was tasty.
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>>158496945
Does counter spell counter flare?
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>>158497197
yes of course
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when are you supposed to get the free pack for choosing a player?
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>>158497197
For some stupid reason, yes. Fortunately, it was just effigy and ice block.
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>>158496826
Reno is amazing in high rank wild cause everyone is playing a shitty control deck or secret paladin
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>>158496284
For those who are salty as fuck; 'game is ded'; 'fucking RNG': reynad

For those who are chill and laugh at the silliest: Kibler
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REMOVE KIBBLER
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>>158497290
"after the tournament"
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>>158497321
Can you give a dick?
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>>158494351
Pretty sure i'm the only one that runs a copy, and i just do it to fuck with aggro decks.
On ladder most freeze mages run kobold anyway, and only garrosh can heal his way out of that one.

>>158494569
Pfffff, the advantage is massive for the freeze mage and healing wave does absolutely nothing to change that.
Shaman beats freeze mage by pushing the damage early, hard, and fast, reaching lethal before the freeze can hit free cycle and draw the key defensive cards.
After that point the shaman is locked out and cannot win without substantial hand burn which it does not have (only 6 points in the entire deck).
Sure you can healing wave and pray she doesn't have kobold, but she does and you're taking 32 to the face next turn.
The actual tech is bloodlust, which shocks them from an early full board for the win if they miss a turn of nova/blizzard.
Or, if you're a lunatic, you can whip out your malygos.

>>158494829
Alex is pretty fair. So is ice block.
30 OTK is fair as long as it's hard enough to assemble.
That isn't to say freeze is completely fine though.
First: the fact that warrior can gain >30 hp and other classes can't is ridiculous and is a big factor in why control warrior has almost always been viable and every other control has usually not.
Second: freeze really showcases the limits of HS's interaction. The only thing the opponent can do is A, tank up out of range, or B, lethal the mage before they hit free cycle.
This needlessly punishes control decks, heavily rewards aggro, and pushes midrange decks farther towards the aggressive end.
That's all meta stuff though.
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>>158497298
>any secret card gets countered by a secret

Ya know, cards like that should activate before any secret has a chance of activating. Like Flare doesn't activate Cat Trick.
Dunno if he does, but Eater of Secrets shouldn't activate Mirror Entity or Snipe.

Secrets are seriously bullshit in HS. There is no playing around them. There is just guessing which one it could be and forcibly activating it. Just plain bad.
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>>158497605
>Dunno if he does, but Eater of Secrets shouldn't activate Mirror Entity or Snipe.
he doesn't
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>>158497436
The amount of aoe is really good for secret paladin, as basically half of wild is people who've hit rank 5 already in standard and want to get to 10+ to fuck around. You can also ramp and play pretty midrangey which is good vs control decks

Trackobot struggles in naming decks in wild, the paladins were all secret and this was all reno druid
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This secret talk just reminded me of something stupid.

I fire elemental'd a mad scientist which then drew and put into play mirror entity which then copied the fire elemental.
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Still lost this arena game to double Flamestrike.
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I always thought tinkmaster would've come back in a bigger way due to the BGH nerf, looks like only the crazy asians are trying it out.
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>>158498574
If I had one, I'd pick him in some decks, but I have not unpacked him once in the last two years.
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>>158498259
I'm missing Dr7, Fandral and Baron. They seem pretty irreplaceable so I can't really play it.
Thanks anyways.
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I fucking hate casters who aren't just talking about the game
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>>158497605
it's idiotic that flare trips secrets, especially considering that eater of secrets doesn't.

>>158495226
>>158495553
Get with the times, evolved kobold is pretty popular right now.

>>158495764
Keep in mind that the power curve is not linear, after whispers and kara it's not even close.
9 mana cards are expected to be massive and brutal, and 10 mana cards are expected to win the game.
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Post >yfw he rotates back in
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>>158498816
>Get with the times, evolved kobold is pretty popular right now.

One more card where I was ahead of the times
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>>158498886
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>>158498816
>Get with the times, evolved kobold is pretty popular right now.

Maybe in >standard
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damn naimans tempo mage is really good on ladder right now, i'm fucking ten cards deeper than my opponents by the time I kill them
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>>158498713
No problem
It is a reno deck though so you can wing it in what you put in
I want to try poison seeds and explosive sheep, as well as starfall. Abomination too

gl taking a break from the shamans in wild
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>>158498886
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>>158498574
If he still targeted I would consider it
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>shadowverse delayed 21 hours

LUL
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>drop a the 6/6 taunt dragon
>buff him with Valen's Chose
>winning next turn
>suddenly BGH

Who the fuck plays BGH anymore? I hate this piece of shit. Didn't see one in over 6 months and now this asshole drops him to ruin my win streak to jump over as many stars as possible on rank 5.
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>>158497595
>Second: freeze really showcases the limits of HS's interaction. The only thing the opponent can do is A, tank up out of range, or B, lethal the mage before they hit free cycle.
There needs to be some kind of anti-spell interaction in the game.

There is often loud pantshitting upon stating this fact because hurrr zoo plays loatheb and I can't board clear, but it's up to blizzard to find a way to balance that.

Some combo decks might go out once Thaurissan goes and thus control decks other than warrior become viable, but as long as there is no counterplay to spells except for mage secrets there is always going to be some busted shit.
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>brawl

>get dragonlord deathwing
>next chest
>get normal deathwing

Today is a good day
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>>158500053
Yeah, that's really getting my goat.

>>158500146
These are the crazy stories Brode spoke of.
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>get to pick from diarrhea like enchanted raven or nat pagle
>still get opponent to 5 hp
>lose because in subsequent turns opponent gets ragnaros lightlord, eadric the pure, another lightlord, tirion
what a fun brawl :) stories to tell my friends if i had any
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cuntrol cucks on suicide watch
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>no heroic brawl
>no shadowverse

What is Kripp gonna do now?
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>>158500351
Arena, probably. And whine.
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How to find the brand ID's for Nox to get all the promo packs? (Android tablet/phone, iPod, iPhone)
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i know basically nothing about hearthstone

someone PLEASE explain why yogg exists

what were they thinking
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best hero to play this tavern brawl with?
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>>158500573
>what were they thinking
They weren't.
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READIT ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED

BTFO
T
F
O
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>>158500616
Rexxar
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>>158500573
>implying member of Team 5 are capable of thinking
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>5 mages in brawl

Chemically castrate yourselves.
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>>158500616
Druid
Pick ramp and summon big things
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>Play Yogg
>Targets itself 2 times out of 4 possible targets
>No brawl forever
>Shaman cannot have any bad hands or bad draws
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>>158500616
Priest.
It allows to fuck enemy up by healing your pirate while he can't.
You can also change their mind if you're lucky.
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>>158500887
that's what i've been trying, but it seems like i'm getting really shit luck
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>>158498816


>People in this thread memed me for using it in rogue
>Suddenly its fine now that streamers do it.

The herd mentality of some people jesus
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>>158500573
Yogg is the greatest card in the game.

there is nothing better then playing a yogg when you're behind or ahead and watching the chaos ensue
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>>158501019
Can't help you then.
I got kinda lucky and won the first game. Didn't bother with it again.

With shit like this, it's all up to luck of the options. Priest kinda mitigates that a bit since your hero power gives you more value. An advice would be to pick sticky minions with deathrattle and spells. I've noticed most people don't pick spells often.
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>>158501050
speaking of which, why doesn't xaril see more play in rogue?
the extra spells are great in almost all decks, maly rogue especially benefits a lot from another sinister strike/shiv
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>>158501245
cause you can only play 30 cards
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>>158501487
he's as good as a huckster, isn't he?
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>>158501245
>>158501546
Its too slow. Huckster can trade with stuff because its a decent body for 2 mana. Xaril dies way too easily for 4 mana so its only really good against slower decks.
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>>158500616
anything with the ping hero power
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>>158501546
No, he's two times as expensive.
Huckster can trade with 1 and most 2 drops.
Xaril can't trade with many 3 and almost no 4 drops.
Why put him in instead of Tomb Pilager that's actually dangerous when summoned and dangerous when resummoned with N'Zoth.
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>>158501887
>huckster can trade with 1 drops
But not TROGGS RULE
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Be nice.
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>>158501991
Okay, you got me. He can't trade with retarded shit like Trogg and Wyrm, which is wrong on so many levels.
But generally he's better than Xaril for his mana cost.
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>>158502062
That'll do, pig.
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when the fuck is thijs
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>>158502062
cant afford that many dead draws in this meta
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>>158502062
>Velen, rag and resurrect deck
>No barnes cheese
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>>158502216
tomorrow
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>>158502062
Double flash heal or go home.
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>>158502547
I forgot.
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Who /freepacks/ here?
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>>158502812
Maybe, no idea if amnesiac is playing today
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I don't tought shadowverse was so much better than hs.

There is almost no RNG and the evolution mechanics is really good.
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>>158503180
you know pajeet your shilling would be more effective if you learned to speak english
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>>158502812
When are they supposed to arrive?
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>>158502812
>>158502987
Actually is there a page with standings or something that show who plays when and their record?
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>>158503541
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/esports/tournament/1901
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>>158502812
Has thjis played yet?
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this Brawl is garbage. takes way too long and is way too random.
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>>158503624
no he dropped out because he had to fly back home
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>>158503624
no he plays tomorrow for the first time
see >>158493326
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>>158503612
Thanks
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>>158503665
agreed
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>>158503674
>>158503679
Did he drop out or is it tomorrow? hope I didn't wiff the free packs
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>>158503859
He dropped out tomorrow.
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Thijs died tomorrow, guys.
F for respects.
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>>158502062
90% of the time this is a standard res priest with 3-4 dead draws

also 4 of your cards will put cards back in your deck to block your combo
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>>158504050
What?
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>>158504350
Yeah he needs to leave. Its unfortunate
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>>158504350
The casters said it was family obligations whatever that means
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>>158504474
haHAA
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Rate my deck, would ya, /hsg/?
This is adventureless Anon again, so feel free to go ham
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>>158504474
>$1,000,000 top prize
>Reached the finals
>Can't attend
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>>158504678
>this is adventureless anon
Implying there aren't a shit ton of you losers
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>>158504702
>Don't have a heart attack when yogg decides the winner of $1,000,000
Some positives
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>>158504986
>>158504702
god damn I hope whoever wins plays yogg and kills their opponent from 30 when they only have 1 health left after topdecking yogg
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>>158504474
>Being the jews they are, blizzard probably won't let people who picked Thijs repick now.

This is bullshit family.
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>pre-karazhan's main complaints are shaman is too good in constructed and mage is too good in arena
>karazhan adds 2 broken shaman cards for constructed and a broken mage card
>doesnt add much else

bravo brode
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>>158504413
>>158504474
Damn that sucks

So I'm not going to gain any packs?
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Are you retards seriously this gullible? I'm starting to think /under16general/ isn't just a meme.
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>>158505384
They're auto-fulfilling 3 as compensation
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>>158505384
No, sorry
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>>158505516
still trying to push your under16general meme are you
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>>158505516
>>158505620
only good thing to come out of this shit general
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I picked OmegaZero - how fucked am I?

How many bongs/bings til he plays?
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>>158505530
If I recall correctly the caster said nothing extra will be giving for compensation.
Just the 1 free pack that everyone gets.
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>>158504474
that sucks, thijs is one of my favourite athletes :/
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>>158505781
>athletes
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>>158505781

Bait/10
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>>158505758
he already won 4-1
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>>158505991

Kek
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>>158505584
>>158505778
Well that sucks and happens to be my luck
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Which card do you find more visually pleasing?
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Should I craft bling Nzoth? I mean I am not short on dust, got 8k gold in bank and I am sure he will be staple in every tier 1 wild deck.
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>>158506456
right because it tells me what it does instead of


DUDE ANIME GIRLS
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If any of you want to do the 80 gold quest

Asherslasher #2693 NA
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How fucked am I, I just choose random rare flag.
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>>158506528
If you're the kind of guy to waste dust on golden gifs, then you might as well. Safe craft.
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>>158506701
You and me bro, we're going all the way. Firebat said he was the pick.
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>>158506701
Not too bad, he did win his first match (4-3).
We'll see what happens.
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>>158506602
sent
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>>158506581
>You can click on the card to read the full text instead of having to read a shitty compressed textbox
>He doesn't remember what cards do after reading them
Hearthtards everyone
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>>158506456
Right tells you what it does and maybe I should put it in my wild N'Zoth deck. Most decks have a lot of Deathrattle so she could be gud.
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>>158506701
I hope he shoots the area after he loses, and blizz will give whooping 7 packs as compensation.
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The fucking value
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>>158506701
>random rare flag.
every russian has one
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>>158506967
>random anon doesn't suck Shadowverse's dick like his does
>gets mad and shitposts in the Hearthstone thread
Just a regular retard, everyone.
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>>158507229
>Plays the inferior game
>Gets mad when he gets bullied for it
Hearthtards everyone
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>>158506456
Right one looks like a card, left one is a pictureframe someone left on the gameboard
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>>158507308
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong board. /hm/ is two blocks down.
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guys remember magic duels

EleGiggle HEARTHSTONE EleGiggle KILLER EleGiggle
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>>158507479
>Gets mad he got called out
>Tries to meme and fails in return
Hearthtards are desperate today
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>>158507479
You sure know the way well.
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guys remember duelyst

4Head HEARTHSTONE 4Head KILLER 4Head
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Aren't mods supposed to do anything about off-topic bullshit like shadowfags?
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guys remember elder scrolls legends

LUL HEARHSTONE LUL KILLER LUL
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>>158507716
>MOOOOOOODS PROTECT MY HUGBOX
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guys remember shadowverse

Jebaited HEARTHSTONE Jebaited KILLER Jebaited
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how does my Wallet Druid look? would you change anything?
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>>158507791
>It's not even out of beta yet
>Preemptively meming this hard
Be careful anon you'll hurt yourself.
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>>158507929
put in a win condition
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>>158506456
Are we talking about the art or the design?
Here SV's art is better, a lot of HS's is just crap honestly. They cut every corner they could and only started using custom digital art recently.
Of course, the old ones can't be changed now, but when you consider their budget there's just no excuse for all the garbage and screwups.
The art for the left side is just standard manga fare.

As for design: HS's could use some work, but goddamn SV's is just awful, baka.
>that border
>that engrish
>that font on the numbers
>that contrast
>those colors
>those pip shapes
>no fucking keywords, no symbols, no text, just pretty girl
It looks like a frame from some mid-90s ARPG. I would be ashamed to release that in 2016.
There's no excuse for that either, there's no budget restriction that justifies not hiring a competent UI designer for a primarily mobile game, especially one hyped up for a mass market via twitch.
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>>158507940
>card games in lanes
except everyone forgot to bring their motorcycle
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>>158508093
>So retarded he can't wrap his head around having two boards to play on
typical hearthtard
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>>158507940
not even out of beta and already dead EleGiggle
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>>158507929
-- 2x druid of the claw
-- 1x ancient of war
+ 2x moonfire
+ 1x malygos
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>>158507929
>Wallet druid
More gold cards
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>>158508035
the win condition is a stream of big guys for you

>>158508305
I'm intentionally trying to avoid the Malygos meme, otherwise I'd agree with you.
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>>158508067
are you blind?
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>>158501245
You have to build your deck to capitalize off all 4 spells which is difficult to say the least
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>>158506456
In this case, the left. But SV has a lot of ecchi fanservice shit designs that it actually damages the game. In the age of widespread internet access and porn, what kind of retarded child wants to see semi naked girls in a game?

Like any other game, SV needs a constant and a growing audience to keep itself alive. The shit UI and the fanservice keep a huge potential crowd away. It's a shame because the game IS great, but it shot itself in the foot from the get go by catering to horny weeaboos.

By the way, having text on the card is great to let potential players get interested in the game by knowing what the card does when checking out a stream of the game.
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>>158508576
You mean by running auctioneer? It's shitty cause it's such a big tempo loss, the spells are the good part.
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>>158504287
sooo should I just give up on this and go back to nzoth rez priest or switch the smites for flash heals and work in a barnes?

I really wanna know I like playing priest.
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Xaril should be a 4/4 desu
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>>158508948
NO
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>>158508885
You should avoid playing priest altogether. The game is filled with shamans and the moment ones sees you're playing rez priest you'll get your shit hexed 100% of the time. If you want to keep reviving frogs all game be my guest.
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>>158509247
get fucked control cuck
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>>158509264
The only thing I've had issues with in ladder are secret hunters, shamans are kinda 50/50
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I just got combo quest so I crafted 2x Tinker's Oil, what the fuck am I doing? Someone link me a viable wild build that uses this shit.
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>>158508793
Miracle is only good if youve got a burst win condition since youre often wasting so many spells just for the card draw.
I wouldent be surprised if mor control varients started used both midnight and twilight drakes due to the amount of increased hands they have
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>>158507975
>>158509741
This is an american funded gook etchings board.
You can't expect these people to live in third world countries like Germanistan or the
Cucked Caliphate of Nu-Sweden
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>>158508948
3/2 statline is a bit too underwhelming when you compare him to pillager's basically premium 5/4.

Not to mention pillager's coin reduces his cost, while the toxins from xaril make him a 6 Mana 3/2 with some upsides.

He's just underwhelming as a legendary when he gets outclassed by a common.
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>>158508405
you can't avoid malygos, flinging a million points of burn at your opponent's face is just too good

>>158508576
that's the easy part. they're shadowstep, cold blood, conceal, strike/evis, and cycle, every rogue deck can use them all
not to mention feed them to gadgetzan

>>158508948
More like 4/3 or 4/2

>>158509264
shaman and warrior matchups are the only reason to play priest
unless you actually enjoy getting shit all over by aggro or sitting there taking 32 to the face from combo
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>>158508948
Or at least a 4/3.
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>>158509264
Rez Priest is auto win against Shaman if the Shaman doesn't have hex on turn 3. And most won't have it. And if they have it, you can still win if you have a decent draw and a bit of luck.
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>>158509540
craft 2x limited edition blade flurries to go with them
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>>158509540
There is none. Most rogue decks got destroyed ever since blade flurry got nerfed to oblivion.
And its been proven that rogue will actually be worse then they were in vanilla after the next rotation as most of their key parts for good miracles, the one decktype thats ok, will be gone. Because blade flurry was THAT crucial to rogues
>>158510126
No its not, its 1 mana shadowstep, 1 mana shiv, coldblood and single target conceal. Most of the time gadgetzan will be your only use its for which i already stated here.
>>158509861
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>>158510263
Yeah, shaman auto-loses to hero power face into oh god please let me have something to play on 3 and 4 if they don't hard mulligan for hex.
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I've got a Strawpoll for you guys since I'm the Strawpoll faggot. I'm seeing how much is shitposting and how much is genuine interest.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11513608

http://www.strawpoll.me/11513608
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>>158510856
superior strwapoll

http://www.strawpoll.me/563819
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>>158510985
>http://www.strawpoll.me/563819
anime, pls leave.
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>You are permanently banned from talking in reynad27.
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>>158511447
>Reynad27
>It's not Reynad11
He missed a real meme desu.
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>>158508885
if you really want to play the velen combo you have to build the deck around that. it doesn't work as a tacked on win condition because of how dead the cards are when they aren't part of the deck strategy. velen is basically a cheaper malygos, the problem being that priest struggles to find synergy with either
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>>158511447
report his stream for all the sexual content and hate speech
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>>158511814
You very probably could use SJW speak to make someone take that report seriously.
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>>158511903

reckful was sexually harassing underage streamers and twitch didn't ban him, they don't touch the streamers with high viewer count
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>>158512784
>Tip off the FBI that amazon is allowing child sex trafficking through twitch
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>>158512784
>>158512958
Imagine if Reckful got Chris Hansen'd on his stream.
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>>158511748
???

If it's hopeless I'll just go back to maly rogue for combo memes
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>>158513107

well, at least people would forget about his missed lethal
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>>158513170
Missed lethal? Don't you mean missed legal?
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is there a worse feeling than getting high rolled by a Priest? you just KNOW some scrawny fuccboi is sitting behind the keyboard, cackling over so le silly randumb nigger Priest memes and twiddling their filthy neck beards.

I'm OFFICIALLY declaring all Priest players as Kill On Sight as of now.
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>"hey this is ben bronde we're making standard a thing and in doing that we're gonna nerf some cards that are considerably oppresive"
>nerf molten giant, gimping handlock excessively
>nerf anything that would make some shitty meme deck not work
>nerf a bunch of druid cards because gutting combo - a perfectly fine thing - just wasn't enough
>do nothing about freeze mage, the most uninteractive deck in the game to date

really sets off the neurons
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>>158513169
for the velen combo you need embrace the shadows too so you can burst with flash heals. It's hard to win just based on the mind blasts.
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>>158514205
allow me:
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
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>>158514205
You forgot
>nerf rogues only high damage board clear to do neither.
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>play against priest
>win
Why are priestfags so dumb?
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So if I buy a BRM wing now with gold then that means I don't have to buy the rest of it when it gets taken out, right?
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>>158514205
>print arcane giant and thing from below after merging molten
>"It's okay because handlock was around forever and used mostly classic cards, these will rotate"
>But Control Warrior, Freeze, and Zoo are fine

The kicker is that Handlock would have been shit with healbot rotating anyway, there is no way for warlock to consistently burst heal out of burn range after playing moltens anymore.

Inb4 someone says renolock is consistent
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>>158498886
Thank god, he still sits in the collection, waiting to get off the bench.
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Someone buy me Kaharazan so that I can upgrade my Zoolock Deck to something more viable and build midrange shamen
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>>158515198
loling at your laugh, friend-in-the-dark.
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>playing as priest against murloc paladin
>entomb his warleaders
What a satisfying game. He had no idea what to do.
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>>158515198

wouldn't buy kara for my worst enemy lad
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>>158515005
>Not using him in Wild
Do you hate fun so much?
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>>158516178
No, I just don't have all the cards and LoE for the hypertuned decks Wild requires.
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>>158516178
You imbecile. Dr. Boom is not fun. Wild is fun. Wild is not fun when someone plays Dr. Boom. Dr. Boom was why we had to have Standard. Stop playing Dr. Boom against my fun Wild decks you cunt.
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>there are people who play shaman in brawl

if this describes you, report to the bleach station immediately
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>>158516453
Side question: How much play would Boom see now? I feel like we have a lot of alternatives, and boombots from N'Zoth wouldn't be exactly optimal... Mid Shaman only?
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>>158514567
and switch for what?

My priest knowledge is shit.
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>>158514902
I honestly don't mind Control and Zoo existing in different variants are sets come and go, but Freeze staying in tact and being able to stay in tact because of the fact it uses primarily core-set cards is fucking ridiculous. Even if it's not the most prevalent deck, it's arguably one of the most annoying to play against as a whole due to it's versatility.

Honestly, I'm at the point where if the Gadgetzan expansion does literally nothing, I'm going to drop Hearthstone officially. Everything from Whispers and Karazhan have been incoherent, with only build-around-me legendaries and a bunch of ideas that get pushed and pushed for a system that would now find holes in many decks due to the sudden departure of certain cards (see: the Mech Gorilla from LoE and the entirety of GvG). The only set they got right was TGT. Sure it was absolute dog shit, but they had everything a good set needed:

>Coherent mechanical themes across the board for all classes
>Cards that supported these mechanics and allowed different variations of the style of deck to exist
>Other shit that's more or less filler or interesting ideas that don't impede with the set goals for that particular class

These were things Naxx and GvG did very well, and why I regard them as very good despite both sets really fucking with the power level of the game. It's just sad that, when BRM happened, a decline in coherence to actual set design happened, with more and more incoherence to what the set needs to be about. "Let's just throw in some stuff to push discard on Warlocks." "Let's throw in some dragons - people really love dragons." "Hey we're making a set about spells, so lets add some cards that enable Secrets for Mage." "Purify seems like a fun card. Let's print it."

After the shitshow that was Whispers I really hope Blizzard does something good for Gadgetzan. If they don't then I'm pretty much ready to give up on Team 5 entirely.
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>>158516649
He still sees plenty in Wild. He's not in literally every single deck anymore, but if the deck plans to go past turn 3 and isn't running a solid gimmick, he'll be there waiting to ruin your day.
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>>158516857
Naxx was basically the only perfect addition. Even KT doesn't resurrect randomly. Why does N'Zoth?
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Where can I genuinely trade friend quests? I feel like most of the online offers are scams
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>>158509540
>viable wild build
Try ultra-sticky deathrattle minion aggrogue, just stick combo cards in there like defias, valiant, etc.

>>158516649
every deck
keep in mind that ragnaros is in almost every deck
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>>158517403
>tfw reincarnate Shaman never worked in old expansions
Do you think it would work with EleDiggle/Halalzeal and Healing Wave in wild now?
I really wanna reincarnate Kel'Thuzad and fill the board with the bad boy...
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>>158517937
semi works
fun as all fuck
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>they are releasing 2 adventures 2 expansions next year
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>>158518317
woah what? that's, like, actually the schedule it should be.
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>>158518317
Source? I think they have said they plan on 3 a year, alternating between 2 expacks 1 adventure, 2 adventure 1 expack
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>>158500573
literally streamer-fodder. the chat goes apeshit because it's le random XD
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It's one of those games
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>>158518581
>4 (four) hexed minions
What? How?
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>>158518581
>mobile
>shaman
>Morgl
>hiding rank
>hiding name
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>>158518687
Not that anon, but I've had someone get it from one of my Spellsplingers and then a Jeweled Scarab before.
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>>158518710
That's not mobile you moron
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>>158518581
>Blizzcucks will defend this
>>
Why are Hearthstone waifus so shit?
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>>158517403
>Naxx was basically the only perfect addition
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>>158514881
Anyone?

I'm guessing yes
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>>158520052
I sincerely miss Mad Scientist.
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>>158520097
Literally the most broken card ever released tbqhwyf. (to be quite honest with you, familia)
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never fucking lucky man fuck this stupid ass game
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>>158520010
Wtf is this shit

You mtg assholes call this waifu tier?
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>people complain to Blizzard that the meta is stale
>people say they know all deck variations and creativity of the meta is at an all time low
>Blizzard secretly knows that there is a unique Dragon Murloc Paladin deck that is the top tier deck unfound
>people rabble on zoo, shaman, zoo, shaman, zoo, sha-
>blizzard's fucking face when
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>>158520010
The fact that you can play as three different top tier waifus is pretty good honestly. Wish we had more waifu cards though. It's mostly nameless gnomes/elves/dwarves and Sylvannas
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>>158520362
wanna post that deck?
might as well reveal it now before the season ends
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>>158520264
I'd argue Sludge Belcher filled that slot tbqhmfam
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Which card is better / adds more value?
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>>158517696
Reddit is probably the most trustable, just check to make sure users have posted in other places before or have an older account so they don't want to give up their karma count
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>>158520520
Aldor
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>>158520362
Expect people to not copypaste meta.

The only reason for mtgs sucess is that your casual store wont be this scumbaggy. That is the universal problem with digital ccgs. Its easy to copy and you cant guarantee people will try fun decks so everyone goes meta
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>>158520520
Aldor. The other doesn't work that well unless you're specifically playing bubble paladin.
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>>158520520
Steward's pretty good in Aggro, but Aldor' better could be used in a lot more situations, so Aldor it is
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>>158520520
Aldor is better in every case that isn't a hyper aggro deck.

>>158520459
Belcher was reasonably statted and that staline just so happened to be perfect at curbing aggro and forcing midrange to trade inefficiently too. It was the Goldilocks figure. Mad Scientist can be compared to other cards that have similar effects, but in every single case it is unbelievably broken to the point where the game can instantly be lost on turn two. The ability to tutor a very specific kind of card, automatically play it, and have a minion with barely any reduction to its stats for its effect, is fucking unbelievable and I will be salty until the end of time that they never nerfed it.

Seriously, how the fuck did Flare get nerfed and not this cancer?
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>>158520430
Slyvannas is a whore

How is Trueheart not a waifu?
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>>158520763
Because it didn't break anything. Secret Paladin didn't even run it.
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>>158498886
I like to imagine that Boom is facing the same fate of the dude at the end of Jojo Part 2.
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>purple streaming fatigue warrior
>whupping ass in top 50 legend
>try it out, first queue into zoo
>turn 4 concede
oh boy orange hitler is back
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>>158520010
First of all how dare you.

>>158520459
You'd be wrong. Sludge Belcher was totally fair, just annoying.
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>>158520520
Aldor obviously. Steward is almost universally a bad on curve play while aldor can at least hit a totem golem or some 3/2 drop, and it gets progressively better as the game goes on. More importantly, it doesn't need to live to get value.

Steward is top tier in the waifu department though. This and the 2/1 goatslut give priest a run for his money.
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>>158516752
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>>158520851
Because paladin secrets are garbage. It was completely retarded in hunter and mage.
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>>158520763
Only reason why I stat Belcher higher than Scientist in bustedness is for two reasons

>It pushed The Black Knight out of play, as it force players to go through two taunts just to break defenses when before, people only had to deal with Sen'jin and Sunwalker at best
>Scientist only enable a minor speed-up with that inherent randomness and, while neutral, only found use in two classes out of the three it could be played in at best

I'm 99.9% sure it's power creep when a card pushes something out of the meta entirely, not when something gives a particular deck or class a bit more power.
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>>158521019
I don't think Tempo Mage ran it either.
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>>158520851
You are stupid. You imbecile. You moron. Every single fucking Mage and Hunter deck had exactly two Mad Scientists in it for something like 18 months. Today, right now, this very second, nearly ever single Mage and Hunter in Wild run it. You stupid clown. Control warrior didn't run it, either. Guess it must be weak.


I don't care if I fell for such easy bait. You made me so angry I am actually gnashing my teeth. Congratulations. You played me like a retard. Here's your fucking (You)
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>>158521104
>nearly ever single Mage and Hunter in Wild run it
>nearly

I just don't think it's broken.
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>>158521025
>It pushed The Black Knight out of play
The complete opposite of the truth. The prevalence of Sludge Belchers made The Black Knight great.
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>>158521051
It did, as well as face hunter.

Wonder why freeze mage got dumpstered in standard, could it have something to do with not being able to play 3-mana invincibility for free straight from the deck
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>>158520851
Because they had a stronger Mad Scientist that conflicted with it obviously.

That anon is right. Being able to play a 2/2 that draws and plays you a 2 mana spell is just so stupidly OP. There is absolutely no reason to not play it in Hunter or Mage if you can.
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>>158520953
Not that dude, but you could swap Thalnos since Velen's your main ticket. I don't know. You could take out your entire control package or your Ressurect package and you'd have room.
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>>158521202
The only time I ever saw TBK in recent years was when Sludge Belcher first dropped and people were teching it to fuck over Belcher, only to find out it barely dented the wall.
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>>158521051
Every single tempo mage deck was running x2 mad scientist with mirror entity. You must have a bad memory.
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>>158521318
I never played the deck, I don't love tempo.
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>>158521175
Well, I would politely disagree with you that a card with fine stats for its cost, with the ability to draw a specific card and then play it instantly, this card being the one kind of card that actively disrupts your opponent's turn, is fair and balanced. And if a card is ran in 80% of every deck in two different classes, it is obviously broken, just like how Shredder and Boom was.
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>>158521306
Playing your turn 6 TBK into their turn 5 sludge belcher is a huge swing in your favour. I have no idea what you're talking about. Also, TBK was pretty relevant back when ramp taunt Druid was a huge thing after Naxx.
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>>158520520
dumbest question i've seen in a while
you can't directly compare cards that don't fill the same or a similar role

>>158520763
Yeah, it easily qualifies as the most OP neutral still in HS.
Dr Balanced & co are flashier and have more impact, but for sheer excess value for the mana, nothing comes close to mad sci.
The fact that it's never been nerfed is insane and probably hints that someone at blizzard has a real soft spot for freeze mage

>>158520891
No let's be honest here, belcher is an OP card.
Same with shredder.
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>>158521025
I would disagree with your assessment of the two cards because Scientist was not a minor speed-up, but a huge escalation. It was Innverate plus a coin into card draw, attached to a 2/2 body. Just because only two cards could play it doesn't mean anything. It is broken beyond belief in those two cards because no other early game card can counter act the effect this measily 2 drop while have on the entire game. The ability to cheat out cards from your deck at no extra cost is beyond obscene. If you've ever been skull-fucked by ramp Druid, you know the feeling. Now just concieve of three seperate ramp cards all combined into one.

On to the Black Knight, it only ever say play pre-Naxx because every single Druid can 2 Ancient of Wars. Once they could swap out easily for Belcher, the benefit of Black Knight fell a bit. When a 6 mana card kills a 7 mana card it's great, but when it only kills the main half of a 5 mana, it's not. Now, Belcher didn't push out Black Knight, it just was a better alternative to a certain common taunt. There's a difference there because it didn't power creep anything, Belcher was just cheaper and as the metagame developed to be faster, a 5 mana taunt was more useful than a 7 mana taunt. Black Knight fell prey to that same fast meta, which Belcher was actively discouraging.
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I don't care what anyone says, I like this card.
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>its a people playing tier 1 netdecks in rank 10 at the end of the month episode
How does one be so shit they can't even climb to rank 5 using these decks by this point in the month. I hit rank 7 playing reno hunter.
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>>158521998
This little shitter is deceptively good in arena.
Could possibly see some play in constructed if there were more control decks available than warrior.
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LISTEN CLOSELY
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>>158521902
shredder was the most damaging card blizzard released before trogg and spirit claws.

belcher is simply a balanced taunt.
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>>158522719
>belcher is simply a balanced taunt.
This is probably accurate, and the reason aggro will be too good forever.
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>>158521998
If this pile of shit didnt get summoned by N'zoth I would play it
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>>158522204
I'm still rank 10. I just don't play HS often enough to do the grind. I also usually play tavern brawl when it's good, or play Wild.
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can we get an elder scrolls legends thread going
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>>158523068
He doesn't respawn the minion after nzoth
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>>158523197
Make one yourself. And not here. Go away. This is Hearthstone, not Card Games.
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>>158521286
Thanks anon

I suppose if I have to I'll just sacrifice one gimmick and roll with it.
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>>158523238
yeah that is even worse. 3/3 vanilla instead of actually useful deathrattle minion?
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>>158523106
You should honestly be able to hit rank 5 by playing midshaman or secret face hunter even if you if you only play 30 minutes a day. The decks are auto pilot until rank 5 where its almost nothing but mirrors.
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>>158521998
I would play the FUCK out of it in deathrattle shaman if games lasted long enough
i actually really hate how nzoth put a hard timer on control matches, we can't just chill around moatlurking our kelthuzads anymore

>>158522719
>>158522980
Just because it supports your preferred playstyle doesn't make it balanced.
shredder and belcher are universally acknowledged as OP deathrattle cards.
Their power level is so high they completely dominate the entire minion pool, to the point where even today after all the expansions and adventures since naxx, they're still the backbone of the most powerful decks in the game and eclipse any other options.

Sure we can talk about whether taunts SHOULD be that cheap and strong in general, but they're not.
Belcher is just far, far above the normal power level.
Relative to the other cards in the game, it's OP as fuck. It makes other options look like unplayable trash.
Maybe it's too strong and the other cards are ok, maybe it's ok and the other cards are too weak. That's a matter of opinion.
The fact is that there's a huge gap between belcher and normally statted cards, and this is generally unhealthy for the game.
We want to have options when deckbuilding, not autoincludes.
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ITS ANOTHER 'CREATED BY X' WINS THE GAME AT THE RIGHT TIME XDXDXD
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>>158523557
Not him, but for example I stack my quests to play as few games as possible. I never play games unless I have all 3 quests up. And I don't even re-roll 40g quests if they share class with another quest so I can do multiple quests in a single game.

Currently at rank 10 too.
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>>158524056
It's a Shieldmasta stapled to a Goldshire footman. At most, it would be one more mana. Taunts are just shit for no reason.
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>bushcoach quit hs for hots

what a time to be alive
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>>158524124

I know that feel bro.
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>>158524056
>shredder and belcher are universally acknowledged as OP deathrattle cards
Shredder yes, belcher no. It wasn't broken. It saw lots of play because it was one of the only good neutral taunts.
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>>158524124
Don't be salty, anon. Calm down. You did the best you could, but you're playing glorified slots. Don't be mad when you don't win. Take it easy. Breathe.


>>158524353
What?
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>>158524056
>Belcher is just far, far above the normal power level.
>Taz is 4 mana for a 3/5 taunt
>Goldshire footman is 1 mana for a 1/2 taunt
>Belcher is 5 mana for a taz dingo that makes a goldshire when he dies.

Seems fair to me m8. Are you sure it didn't just trigger you because it cancelled your ability to hit face?
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>>158524445
>>158524508

Thanks anons.... I'm more calm now ;-;
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>>158524581
>>Belcher is 5 mana for a taz dingo that makes a goldshire when he dies.

This makes it retardedly more complicated to remove.
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>>158524682
>It's imbalanced because it's hard to deal with
By that logic cairne is even more imbalanced, but you're not complaining about him because he didn't impede your face hitting.
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>>158524746
I'm not that person, I kinda just came in here. Belcher was ridiculous. Imbalanced nah but really strong.
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>>158524857
I'm not saying belcher wasn't strong. But strong is a far cry from shredder tier imbalance.
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>>158524445
>>158524508

IT FUCKING HAPPENED AGAIN
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For the record guys, a card being used frequently is not the same as a card being overpowered.

I mean, I'll put two frostbolts in just about any Mage deck ever, but I'd never consider it to be a problem card.
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>>158524746
When combining cards together into one card, there should normally be some kind of fee for the packaging. Cards like Hammer of Wrath are an example. Belcher did not feature that fee and thus was quite strong. Not too broken, but it hit the right mana curve and stat spread to be the savior against aggro. Obviously it's stonger than Taz'dingo, but Taz'dingo was weak. Now, it's like this anon says, >>158524056 , that the card should not be evualated based on how strong Taz'dingo SHOULD be, but rather how strong he IS, but that's not fair to do since taunt minions should also be compared against the aggro it is supposed to be counter, not just other taunt minions. When taking the massive strength of aggro into account, Belcher is more than fair and Taz'dingo falls way below the powerlevel set by what it was supposed to counter.
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This is stupid half my wins are from Face Reaver and the other half are from cheese openers
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>>158525125

>straight up overpowered version of dark bomb
>not a problem card
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>>158525063
ANON, JUST CLEAR IT WITH THE BOARDWIPE and calm down, friend. No big deal, no big deal. You have the counter.

>>158525125
Well, some of those auto-includes are wildly imbalanced, but they've been in play for forever they get a pass. Like, Fireball is stupidly strong compared to any other card, but Blizzard would never ever ever considering touching it.

>>158525271
That's Arena, friend.

>>158525331
Don't mention Darkbomb. I remember how salty I was when it was first announced. I still have the ulcers.
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>>158525331
Take your (You), you managed to get me briefly upset, you earned it.
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>>158525331
Oh man, remember when everyone was calling dark bomb unplayable because it didn't have anything to make up for the FREEZE of frostbolt?
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>>158525434

WHAT DID I DO TO BEN BRODE TO DESERVE THIS ;-; Also, using nova on a one drop feels so fucking bad
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>>158525584
Using a card to destroy a minion with basically infinite attack is well worth it, anon. You take what you can get and not dream of laboratory settings.
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>>158525434
Some cards should be strong buddy. That's how there's a metagame and decks and tiers.

Not everything needs to lie exactly on the power curve. Certain classes can do things better than anyone else can. I'd hate to play your idea of a balanced game where Fireball gets a nerf.
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>immediate regret when misplaying fucking hard one win from legend

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH KILL ME AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>158525718
Well, Fireball is just in a league of its own. It can trade with minions at a huge mana range and also deal a huge amount of face damage. Mages always have the ability to deal 13 from hand with double fireball and ping. That's an incredibly basic combo that is much stronger than anything short of the old Druid combo. I'm not retarded. I know that some cards are better than others, there have to be bad cards, blah blah blah, but fireball is absolutely the most versatile card in the entire game. A huge problem with Hearthstone is that direct damage is incredibly overpowered because you can't disrupt it, just take it to the face. It just so happens that fireball has the best damage to cost ratio. When you look at fireball and then you look at cobra shot, it's just aggravating.
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>>158526226
what about lava burst?
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>tfw handlock is never coming back
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>stonetusk boar turn 1
>instantly end turn after playing it as you would with most minions
fucking hell.
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>>158524581
>>158524476
Stop and think harder, forget the aggro shitters vs cucktrol memes for a second.
Basically, let's say the game has cards A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K.
Then a new adventure comes out and adds cards X and Y.
X and Y are far, far stronger than the old cards, so they get jammed into every deck.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K get cut from everything and never see any play ever again.

This is bad, because it makes the game less fun and interesting. We end up seeing the same 2 cards in every single deck and every single game.
That shit's boring.
If the devs think X and Y are broken and the others are okay, they should nerf X and Y.
While if they think the power level of X and Y is correct and the other cards are too weak, then they should buff the other cards to match.

As control players, you guys are of the opinion that shredder falls into the first category (too strong) and belcher into the second (other taunts too weak).
But what both have in common is that they're much stronger than competing options and dumb down wild deckbuilding.

Bottom line, OP and broken are different things.
You can say "belcher isn't broken, it's what a good taunt card should be", but it's ridiculous to say it isn't OP compared to the rest of the card pool.
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>>158526309
The overload cost is huge and outside of an aggro deck, it is absolutely not worth the cost. Five mana deal five is terrible. That's the difference. Only aggro decks play lava burst because of its price. Every mage deck plays fireball. But let's not get into overload since the mechanic straddles the line between decent, absolute garbage, and broken. Suffice it to say that overload encourages an aggresive deck because with the mana locked on the next turn, it is better to play a cheap minion than pass.

>>158526506
Why did you completely ignore my agrument about how taunts should be compared also to the powerlevel of the cards they are supposed to counter? It is not fair to evaluate all the taunts together, ignoring the main purpose of taunt entirely. Belcher isn't OP because Taz'dingo is weak, it isn't OP because aggro is on the power level of Belcher.
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Finally level 540 i can finally start on golden heros
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>>158526421
You could play it anytime, unfortunately you need validation from memestorm and reddit before you'll try it
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>>158527249
WutFace
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>>158526772
eh, it's hard to really assign cards to specific archetypes and roles, an aggro deck might use chow and a control deck might use shredder

and even if we want to do that, how would we determine a "correct" balance of power?
sure we all know in wild belcher helps slow down the meta in general compared to standard
but can we really say that objectively, that's a good thing? that standard is too fast and wild is more "correct"?
isn't it just a matter of taste?
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>>158527262
It's just not the same with the molten nerf.
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>>158527262
Just like how you can play old combo druid without combo right?

Are you dumb anon?
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fun fact: If you silence the 1/1 summoned by Barnes, it will regain its original stats.

Idk if this is common knowledge or I'm just retarded
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>>158526421
renolock is basically a handlock, you're holding a million cards and playing mountains, midnights, random healing, removal, combos, jaraxxus, etc
It's semi-viable right now

unfortunately dropping 0 mana 8/8s is druid's job now, but the general playstyle is still intact
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>>158527661
fun as fuck in control shaman with earth shock
or purify priest
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>>158527536
The mechanics of handlock cards have not changed, force of nature doesn't have charge anymore
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>>158527262
This post is why I come here

Sometimes I get upset on how unresponsive, unfriendly, and unhelpful everyone is, but you all have the best opinions and advice.
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>>158527826
The mechanics of going low and then dropping moltens definitely changes when moltens are unplayable trash.
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>>158527891

then run arcane giants instead?
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>>158527826
Molten Giants cost 5 more, that's a huge change.
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>>158527965
That's a completely different playstyle.
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>>158527891
So remove it and taunt up the other fuckhuge giant and drakes
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>>158527965
Warlock does not have enough good or cheap spells to support that kind of deck, also >>158528039
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>>158527665
>druids
>not Valeera's

She gets freaking 8 of them, ffs
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>>158528049
Handlock is too passive to swing the board back in the later stages of the game without them. Modern "Handlock" games go like this:

>tap
>tap
>play drake/giant
>lose

There is nothing preventing your opponent from smashing your face in, and no good heals beyond reno (again, essentially a different deck) that warlock can use anymore. You can play a giant on 4, congrats, you lose next turn to any slightly aggressive or tempo orientated deck, which is almost all decks that are meta or have ever been meta.
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When are you going to admit that a rigid class system for a card game was a fucking retarded idea?

This game will always have shit classes regardless of the meta. Magic has colors but there's less of them and you can combine them with other colors so it's much easier to build a competitive deck.
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>>158527661

it's one of the very, very few reasons people thought you might be able to justify purify
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>>158528637
I said you can play it anytime not that it's a perfect deck without weaknesses, it's definitely a lot more viable today than it was in the aggro shaman era
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>>158529247
But muh class identities and soul of the class.
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>try to play control warrior
>queue up into this
just gimme a break man
even the yshaarj was gold
shit makes me want to go play face hunter
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>>158529247
>Waaa its not magic WAAAH

i know that Brode is trying to turn this game into magic but he's an idiot and theyre different games, so get over it
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>>158529567
You're an idiot for replying to me with no argument, since you're too intellectually stunted to have one.
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>>158528303
just played this deck and its actually fun as fuck. couldnt stop laughing when i copied a shit ton of 0 cost arcane giants
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>>158529354
No one ever claimed otherwise.

However, Handlock's main niche was beating up control (which there is basically none of) and "fair" non-bursty midrange decks (again, none of). It was heavily unfavored against aggressive decks even WITH healbot/belcher/dark bomb/moltens at its disposal, without them it essentially folds to anything remotely aggressive or midrange.

Handlock was tier 3 for most of the game's lifespan, it really only ever rose above that during miracle and patron's dominance. I still played it when it was "bad" because it was enjoyable to play, but there is a point where bad becomes unfun.
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>>158529247
Other games do it and it works better when it comes to balance if you don't have literally 20 years of trying to appease Magic the Gathering's fanbase to worry about.

Unrestricted class cards allow stupid yugioh bullshit and is exactly what hurt early Force of Will because its color system was just TOO splashable. Everyone ran X/Red or something that could produce red for the longest time because Thunder was 1 fucking mana and one of the most versatile spells in the game.
Cardfight Vanguard became a better game when they shoved that shit into Extreme Fight and made Clan Fight the official format. Mixing shit that's not supposed to be mixed is why OTK Warrior got killed, and having to account for every single combination in the game is a legitimate overload for a team as barely competent as Team5. Like, can you imagine if Mage somehow could access Shaman's spells? Hell, everyone would just run some kind of goodstuff.dekon Warlock's hero power and just play an advanced form of zoolock.
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>i fucking hate curvestone - kripp 2016
HE ADMITTED IT
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>>158529751
Yes and here is me being stupid again by replying to your obvious bait

MtG is not an online game. The two games should be treated with a different mindset, but dumbasses like you and Ben the man are too busy stuck on the retarded idea that this game has to be an online MtG. It's not and it never will be, so please get over the differences and just adapt to the game.

Or just fuck off and go back to /tg/ or wherever else they discuss that game.
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>>158530190
>Handlock's main niche was beating up control
It became popular because it BTFOd zooshitters who were like 80% of ladder at one time.
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>>158530212

I don't blame him, his entire life revolves around it and his finances all rely on it, people thumbs down content from other games when he tries to play

he is like a caged monkey
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>>158525063

entomb it :^)
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>>158530680
Zoo can verrrrrry loosely fall under the second category, mostly due to the midrange part not really fitting. Although zoo did go full midrange at one point with voidcallers and malganis.
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How is Hafu so cute gents?
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>>158530783
>he knows hes locked so hes milking the shit out of it while he can

50k~ a month must be nice
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>>158530190
There's no aggro except secret hunter which I'm not sure of the stats on, but I know it gets fucked by both early doomsayer and huge taunts, and some zoo which it is probably unfavored against. Midrange shaman has very little burst and handlock is still favored as ever versus control warrior. The only common bursty deck is malygos druid which can quite easily die to a single mountain giant, not sure if it's favored overall though. It is quite decent
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>we want the HS audience
I'm joking actually, this WILL fuck up the board soon enough.
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When the FUCK is Duelyst or Chronicle coming to mobile?

I've been hearing "2016" since last year, and time's almost up.
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>>158531664

Coin flips in a casual environment are fine, and commander is a "get your friends together for a laugh" format

HS has coinflips deciding competitive tournaments

Love the card though
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>>158531378
I'd argue that midrange shaman actually has a fair amount of burst, between bolts, claws, fire eles, bloodlust, and the occasional lava burst.

Nevermind the fact that one hex on one of your threats essentially means you are too far behind to recover, and shaman has enough board flood to refill even after multiple AoEs. I don't think it's even close to favored for handlock nowadays.

Zoo has basically vanished because of shaman being so prevalent.

Druid shouldn't be bad, but I'd say that it's even at best.

Freeze and tempo mage shit all over you and are decently common.

>Priest

>Rogue

Really it's just warrior that is favored and semi-common in the meta.
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>>158530190
>>158532176
It still does its job against its traditional matchups.
Control warrior is as good as ever thanks to jaraxxus, and midrange (shaman, dragon priest, some slow hunter lists) is solid too.
As always it comes down to the midrange deck simply not being able to push enough damage in the early game. You have time to react, and that means time to dig for reno, put up taunts, etc.
In the end shaman has a limited number of threats and the handlock doesn't, you just grind it out.

Of course, like any control deck it gets destroyed by aggro and can't beat combo, so its viability comes down entirely to state of the ladder.
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Big props to this guy for not playing yet another top metadeck, but without malganis what the hell does this actually beat anymore?
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>>158533446
In other words, "Thanks for the free win, idiot?"
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>>158532893
In the interest of discussion (and maybe a little nitpicking)

CW while still favored, is running harrison due to shaman which hits the red man in the crossfire. They can also surprisingly rush you down into grom now, funnily enough.

Reno aint in no handlock my boy.

In my experience, the shaman game ends long before the grind kicks in. Their cards are more powerful than yours and interact with yours better than yours do with theirs. If you do ever resolve jaraxxus in that match, harrison will give them a second wind.
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>he didn't choose a champion
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>Kripp has hand full of removal versus a 3/4 and a 4/4
>casts Flamestrike
>opponent plays Spectral Knight and builds a board
>WTF there was nothing I could do

Holy shit this man.
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>>158533760
i wouldn't even try running a non-reno control lock list right now
the 30 heal into big clear is what beats shaman
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>>158534797
>i wouldn't even try running a non-reno control lock list right now
That is sort of the point, anon.
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Well here i come. Thank you losestreak you're truly a wonderful spectacle to behold. Its quite beautiful actually. Is this what having your wings clipped is like? Nice. I like it. No. I love it. This is F A N F U C K I N G T A S T I C. Mmf YES. ok YES YES
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> tfw spaghetti grows out of my fingers
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>Tfw there will never be a full Defias deck
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>>158492362
>>158492362
>>158492362
source?
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Really wish there was a way to stop the cancerous netdecking of this game. Every game after rank 10 is druid/shaman all the exact same deck.
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>>158539492
t. F2P Reno Hunter Main
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>>158539492
desu the druids bother me the most
they literally just play solitaire, there's no interaction back and forth
i'm laddering with fatigue warrior right now and we both sit there until either he realizes i've armored out of range or he draws enough damage to lethal me from 40 or 50 or whatever hp.

stupid shit, this isn't much of a multiplayer game anymore
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>>158535779
>derank my self playing joke decks to 20
>burgle rogue
>not a shaman in sight for 3 days
>rank 14
are they all I'm hiding or already in chemo in the legend rank?
I've only been winning with burgle rogue because I focus face.
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>>158526439
>Maelstrom portal
>End turn
>Boar pops out

Not this shit again.
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Thoughts?
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Got meme'd hard. What do I do with this?
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>>158541539
>Has +2/+2
For what purpose?
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>>158541760
Keeper of Ulduar, Crazed Alchemist, and other cool aura interactions.
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Gonna make a really dumb Hunter card.

What would be a good cost for summoning all monsters from your Opponents hand and then dealing damage until one of them is dead gonna cost?

7 mana? 9 mana?
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>1/1 Abusive still being played
How powerful was it before, really?
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>>158541721
Go face and meme in style.
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>>158541539
wut?
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>Play 15 Demons
>Play 60 Rogue Class Cards
>Play 10 Secrets
what the fuck are these quests jesus christ

can they stop fucking this game in the ass? is their goal to get me to stop playing the game or what the fuck are they thinking?
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>>158542358
It was to reduce your chances of 80 gold play a friend quests. I got lucky this month and got two, along with 5 watch and learns, I love watch and learns.
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>>158542358

yes. stop playomg
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>>158541797

Alright, What is better?

>Summon as many random minions for your opponent to the field. *Deal Flamestrike/Bouncing Blade damage here*
>Summon all your opponents minions in their hand. *Deal AOE damage here*

Or something else for 'Barrage'
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Anyone willing to help a poor soul out?
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>>158542724
sent ;)
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>>158542358

It would be fine if we had more deck slots
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>>158542724
sawdoffzombi
I'll probably lose right now though.
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>>158542636
Summon doesn't work because that makes a copy. It has to be 'put' like ancestor's call. You're running into the limit of card text space with the aoe part.
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>>158542859

Yeah, I just want to play off the Barrage fantasy

As idiots only use it and it pulls EVERYTHING
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How does this make you feel?
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>>158543053
Cancer tinyfin meta.
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Hunter players are by far the lowest intelligence players on this game
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>>158543175
You managed to play around his secret. Congratulations.
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UNICORN PRIEST FOUND
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>>158543424
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>>158543424

Just cancel the run and try again.
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>>158543053
It'd get nerfed quick. Cost moved up to 7 mana. If it got Barnes'd out it'd be crazy.
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>>158543424
Pick secretkeeper and move on, why is it so hard?
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>>158543424

A 4/4 bod for 3 mana isn't bad and giving your opponent a mana crystal doesn't hurt to much and is in fact the gentlemanly thing to do in games were you are privileged enough to go first.
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>>158543637
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>>158543801
2 mana 2/2 still kills a 2 mana 3/2
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>>158543801

hogger or maexna?
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>>158543801
secret keeper and mad scientist is good shit if you draft some secrets :^)
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Classic warrior is surprisingly fun to use with one or two card swaps
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I got memed and voted for naiman
>0 packs
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>>158544247
no you haven't gotten memed yet
2 people from each group advance
since naiman's good it'll probably be him and bbgungun from that group
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>>158544247

I remember voting for Canada dude

Is he out?
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>>158544000
well, that 7/7 that spawns 1/1 with taunt for warrior is like 120 points so I'd go with Hogger
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>>158544000

I recommend Maexxna

I would choose Volazj if it were me, however.
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>>158544000
>not using heartharena to guide you

Its like you dont want 12 wins
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>>158544295
He won his match 4-0.
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YO when the fuck did they change a bunch of Murloc cards from 'Buffs all Murlocs' to 'Buffs YOUR Murlocs'
Did I miss a 'these cards got changed' notice somehow?
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>>158544247
I think you get 2 packs total just for voting both times
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>>158545024
Blizzard slipped that in with the recent patch and very Semitically denied dust refunds.
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>>158544321

Hogger just dies to Yeti or most cheap spells. The 2/2 isnt so troublesome to deal with either.

The 7/7 is a different story. First of all, hes simply a direct upgrade from War Golem. And while the 1/1 is easy to deal with, the 7/7 body is still hard to get off the board without a constructed toolkit.
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Has Thijs played yet? Did he lose?
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>>158545336
no, stop asking this, read the thread
he's playing in the morning (it's 4 AM in the US)
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>>158544321

Moreover as a Priest, Maexxna is easily the safest choice here.
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>play meme fork in brawl
>priest discovers shadow madness and makes it useless
xD thanks blizzard for this minion that would be broken if blade flurry wasnt nerfed xD
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Who else /GrandChampion/ of every Arena here?

>Hearthstone - check - 12/0
>Elder Scroll Legends Arena - check (on GrandChampion rank)
>Spellweaver - check
>Faeria Pandora - check
>Duelyst Gauntlet - check

Only games I am missing are Eternal (Draft), Shadowverse (?) and Gwent (?).
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>>158545336
https://reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/58pa8f/2016_hearthstone_world_championship_at_blizzcon/

>reddit
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>>158545336
9am pdt
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>end of season
>midrange shamans and other tier 1 netdecks stuck at rank 16-18
>all I want is to do my quests with my basic decks
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>>158545525
I got you on HS and SW, but I haven't played the arena modes of other games.
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So let me get this straight, the new expansion pack will be about Gadgetzan?
So it's going to be another goblin focused expansion I guess?
Why?
There's so many other areas or races completely neglected in HS which could make for cool cards. There's no Outland, barely any Troggs, Ogres, Gnolls, Defias and Titanic minions.
And yet it's Goblins yet again.
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>queue up as face hunter
>face 10 shamans in a row
>queue up as control warrior
>face druid and priest
just give me a fucking break man
i don't want to play shaman but it feels like the only chemo to the matchmaking cancer
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>>158545024
They snuck this in with the last update but didn't consider it a big enough change to give people free dust for.

I'm not surprised actually especially after Blizz said Yogg not giving overload was a ''''bug'''' when, in the intro to Wotog and Standard stream, Brode specifically said you don't get overload because you're not casting the spells, it's Yogg whose casting them.
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>>158545701
The more optimistic theory is that its a bank heist themed expansion.
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>>158545641

>end of season
Play anti-aggro.
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>>158545869
Anyone want get 80 gold? post your battletag senpai.
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>>158545869
Nigger I got no cards and I'm just trying to do quests.
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>>158545909
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>>158545869
>Play anti-aggro.
i'm playing a pretty hardcore anti-aggro deck and queueing into priest, pally, and druid
feels bad man
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>>158545956
Ummmmm?
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>>158545839
By that logic, any 'buff your minions' spells he fires off shouldn't do shit because Yogg doesn't have any minions
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>>158545701
Wait until we get totally new, completely different versions of cards we haven't seen yet like:

>Gadgetzan Banker
>6 Mana 4/4
>Whenever you play a minion, draw a card

>Mysterious Robber
>Mage
>6 Mana 6/6
>Battlecry: Set 3 Random Mage Secrets

and lest not forget

>Stock Market Rager
>3 Mana 1/5
>Deathrattle: Add a coin to your hand
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>>158546256
>Stock Market Rager
kek
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>>158546142
It's not my logic but literally Brode's. During the stream Frodan asks Brode specifically about Overload spells and Yogg and that was the answer he gave.
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>Has to rope turn 1
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>>158514881
You can't buy the rest period once they rotate out. The only way to get them then is by crafting the cards with Arcane Dust.
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Fucking murloc faggotry
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>>158545868
I kinda have to wonder what legendaries would fit with either Gadgetzan or a bank heist expansion. I mean they can come up with commons, rares and epics on the spot but legendaries usually aren't all OC.
I guess Vanessa Van Cleef for the rogue would sorta fit.
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>>158514881
Priest legendary Moira when?
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Never would I expect Medivh's staff to trigger my PTSD
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>>158546775
EVERYONE! GET IN HERE!
EVERYONE! GET IN HERE!
EVERYONE! GET IN HERE!
EVERYONE! GET IN HERE!
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>>158545024
>anyfin still summons their finleys
blizzard consistency
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Tried to appeal to the Idiot Hunter fantasy of the game to the card

How would you fix it /hsg/?

Did you even read what I posted above before you cried bullshit?
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>>158546775
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Is Thijs actually dropping out or what? I don't see a mention of this anywhere whatsoever except here.
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Shoutouts to that Druid who didn't attack me to let me play all my deck's Murlocs.
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>>158547153
Ya, he went home.
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>>158547085
as many as what you dumb nigger
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>>158547224
>>158547153
Fuck
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>>158547153
Jebaited
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>>158545024

he played a warleader and I played a fucking bluegill to kill something with 4 health and attacked before I realized what was wrong
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>>158547292

>Making a legendary that isn't a figure from WoW or something of the like

kys
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>>158547085

Supposed to be
>Put all minions from your opponent's hand to the battlefield. Deal 3 damage to all enemy minions.

Either way it's dumb because it manipulates the opponent's cards too much.
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>>158547619

Truely, I made it because I wanted to make a joke after dealing a dungeon run with a hunter using Barrage and wiping us thrice for it.
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>>158547446
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Which Midrange Shaman deck is the best to counter Midrange Shaman?

I've been facing a lot of variants that have Bloodlust and Argent Horserider lately.
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>its a any deck i try to play gets countered episode
No rank 5 for me this time... literally cant even get to 10.
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>>158547446
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>when your arena opponent doesn't play around the third (Created By: X) Flamestrike
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>>158547946
you wanna cast a spell?
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>>158547778
More AoE
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>>158547883

Raid Boss

>>158547751

Only example you can provide and I bet it will be a dungeon boss or something in Legion or some shit when Old Gods emerge...

Besides, Mad Merchant and Xur'ios would have worked much better or something
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>>158547446
My hand at making some Defias cards. I always liked the Defias, they were always really interesting when you found out the lore to them. Mr. Smite could have easily been something boring like "summon 2 blackguards" or "equip a hammer" but the thing I remember most was him stunning the entire party. Vancleef hero card doesn't really need to exist I just like him a lot. Ignore them all being Rogue, just so i can easily track them.
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Why did it take so long to get rid of Combo
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>>158548094

Pretty good, Weapon reminds me of the one I made since tentacles fucking sucked

Need a Capt. Cookie in there
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>>158548270
>7 Mana deal 28 damage
Bruv. >but it's slow is not a valid point for fucking warrior.
If it increased every time you attack AND reduced durability by two for hitting face, then it'd be not completely broken.
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Healing shouldn't cost so much. Every healing spell, except for priest, should cost 1 less.
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>>158544321

I did go with Hogger ended up 8/3 because I misplayed on the last game by using the coin too soon.

Now I'm having a really hard time with this one, pls help guys. Flamewaker is amazing but I have so many spells summoning stone can be insane too but I'm afraid of getting out-tempoed trying to play with it or ending up having a 0-6 shitstain card on topdeck wards.

It's the last card btw. Also how good is my dick?
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Is it smart to save up gold for the new expansion? I got 3k stashed up and I am planning to grind arena until I either have all the cards or run out of gold.

My main question is, do they give the new pack as a reward in arena?
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>play paladin in the brawl
>vs mage
>get 2 Bolvar fairly early on
>get muster and fill the board with a bunch of tokens
>play first one 15/7
>he frost bolts flame cannons it
>play next one 17/7
>he play servant of fucking yogg'saron
>poison seeds
>play tirion
>finally no answer and I get to win 5 turns later since he stalled
fucking mages I swear
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>>158548510
How the fuck do you get so many legendary in arena? I get like maybe a choice of Finley Millhouse and Cho probably every 10 run. Fuck you and people like you.
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>>158548597
Even when you win, playing Mages is never fun
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>>158547823
Same here man, it's fucking suffering.
I try to play control warrior and queue up into this bullshit.

Trying reno nzoth hunter right now since i seem to be getting a good mix of matchups with it.
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>>158548492

>Taunt
>Freeze
>Harrison/Slime
>Thinking your opponent is going to wait 7 turns for you to hit them in the face without some kind of plan or defence
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>>158548493
Paladin would get "Heal for 6" for one mana, while Priest is stuck at "Heal for 5".
The literal healer class getting worse healing in direct comparison is not ok.
Flash Heal for 0 would be fine, big T is rotating out and there's no way to keep combo velen right now. Priest deserves better healing im general.
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>>158548578
As soon as a new expansion comes out you can get the pack as reward in arena.
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>>158548094

>damage first mate mr. smite
>opponent literally can't have a turn ever again unless you kill him yourself

fantastic I'll take ten billion
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>>158548510
Wanker, because it fits right with your filthy dick.
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>Turn 1 hunter
>Fiery bat
>Elekk
>Huntress + Freezing trap
>Houndmaster
>Remove your shit with kill command and hero power
>Savannah highmane

This curvestone shit needs to fucking STOP
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>>158548640
fucking subhumans I swear no fun allowed ever.
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>>158548706
It's control warrior. He won't be able to. Even if it's not 28 face damage, it's still a crazy good value card. Just because tech cards exist doesn't mean weapons suck.
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>>158548772
You know what I meant. Can't fit a lot on a card.
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Reminder to concede early in brawl to piss off people grinding "Play x number of y cards" quests.
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>>158548824
Maybe Flamestrike could use a mana increase
Call me tardish if you want, but really
You spend the entirety of the game playing around it
Not that you CAN play around it, because if you try to be conservative with your minions, she can easily delete them one at a time with all her other spells
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>>158549320
Just play minions with more than 4 health???
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>playing arena as mage
>nine wins
>dude Swashburgles me
>Cabalist's Tome
>Fireball
>ends up fucking Deathwinging me

what the fuck is this

I'm the mage I'm in charge here
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>>158549445
>Softens and stalls with Blizzard, Flamestrikes next turn
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>>158549294
Do you have a brawl quest to do but suck at the game and can't win?
>>
Playing Murloc Warlock for the quests and holy shit when this deck draws the nuts it's like turn 4 lethal.
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>>158549728
>suck at not getting the right answer every turn like the opponent does
Yeah, totally.
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>>158549728
No I just got 1 off of the fucking Play 50 Priest cards quest because someone conceded early.
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>>158549782
Git gud then
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>>158549596
>you can't play around x
Divine shield, deathrattles, baiting it out, counterspell???
This is only true for Yogg, git gud you whitter it means whiner/shitter, i explained it because you probably wouldn't have understood otherwise
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>6 friendly minions on board
>their rag still hits my face
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>>158548620

I got only 1 legendary -.-

Anyway I did 3-3 with this deck not bad considering the tempo is awful, having big legendaries doesn't win games.
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>>158550223
>I did 3-3 with this deck not bad considering the tempo is awful
You'r awful
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>>158550296

>Having one legendary wins you games

Shieldbearer.png
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An attempt
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>>158550596
Where did I mention legendary? The deck is solid.
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>>158550596
Having Flame Cannons, Fireballs, Portals and Flamestrike does tho. Whatever, no point in talking to a retard like you who goes 3-3 with that deck. Neck yourself, bitch.
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why the matchmaking feels like it's rigged ? I switch decks sometimes and I get countered immediately. Playing tempo mage right now and facing 3 control warr in a row. Haven't seen for 2 days before ...
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>tfw stayed up all night playing memewatch
>gonna run on fumes when tourney starts

Fuck
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>>158552036
>why the matchmaking feels like it's rigged ?
Confirmation bias, probably.
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>>158548817
>tunnel trogg coin tunnel trogg
>totem golem

>mana wyrm mana wyrm coin mirror images

Just embrace it
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rate?
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>>158501245
I pick him literally 3 out of 4 games with the discover a death rattle card. He helps out miracle rogue a shitton if you get lucky.
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>>158552354
Those 4 drops suck.
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>>158550831

I don't know what's your problem man, I had too many expensive cards and sometimes you just lose to better openings if you are unlucky on your draw, I would rather have a zombie chow than a ragnaros tbqh but whatever man I feel bad about losing also but I don't know why you gotta make fun of me, whatever man enjoy yourself I guess.....
>>
>>158552354
>mage
easy 12-0
>>
Touch my take my hand :)
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>>158552354
12 wins or quit Hearthstone desu.
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"your opponent has 15 seconds on their turn"

Would this text make him viable?
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>>158507929
-1x Mire Keeper
+1x Nourish
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>>158552419
5/3. Here is the pack i got.
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>>158546256
>Stock Market Rager
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>>158553070
Damn son, nice pack.
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>>158552957
He's already viable.

>Drop and end turn immediately
>watch your opponent panic
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>>158552957
That wouldn't change his viability.
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>>158550737
I like it.

I can't think of a way to make Arthas a card without going "battlecry: equip frostmourne lol!"
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>>158553690
>Arthas as a card
>not as a DK hero
>or at least alt paladin
Reeeeee
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>>158553690

Arthas always feel untouchable with the need for Frostmourne.

Perhaps a Frostmourne Neutral weapon that turns you into the Lich King
>>
Jesus fucking christ
>>
>New warlock spell
>5 mana
>deal damage to all minions equal to how many cards are in your hand
Y/N?
>>
>>158554113
Yeah, no.
>>
>>158554113

I see potential...
>>
>Beating salty, emote-spamming shaman that brings his cancer to casual
>he starts roping me
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>>158553864
I want him too man, but Blizard thinks we have enough classes.

What would his Hero Power be?
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>>158555754
summon a 1/1 ghoul
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>>158555754
>Death Coil
>Deal 1 damage, if that kills a minion summon a 1/1 ghoul
or
>Frostmourne Hungers
>Give your weapon +1 attack
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>>158555754
2 mana cost
add a 1 mana cost 2 attack / 2 health Rotting Remains that loses 1/1 after attacking (undead; also add undead tribe along with adding death knight as a class)
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Hire me blizzard
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>>158555754
If they don't want to create a new DK class then at least make him an alternate paladin hero.
But I'm sure they will make him a legendary for when they release a Ice Crown adventure.
>>158556386
>mage
>not warlock
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>>158556386

What a cheeky annoying way to force a draw.
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>>158555754
Frostmourne 1 charge weapon. Add 1 damage to Frostmourne If equipped.
Upgrade to 2 charge weapon.
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>>158547946
>>158547976
>remembering Bbgungun almost got fucked out of Blizzcon to this

Hoping we see some more high quality esports today
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>>158555754
Necromany
Summon a minion that died this game. If no minion has died then summon a 1/1 ghoul.
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>>158556454
At least make a good mage card like this ;^] Inferno would kill yourself 9/10 times this late in the game
>>158556454
Make it warlock and like 5 mana
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>>158556978
Should also add a random mage spell to your hand desu
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>>158556978
What's the activator here? Is this a Battlecry? A Deathrattle? Fucking OC fags, I swear.
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>>158553864
>>158553864

>Paladin class leggo
>0/1 frozen weapon what cant shut up
>Deathrattle: equip Frostmourne

>Frostmourne
>replace all Paladin class cards with DK ones
>hero power summons an 1/1 skellington
>>
>>158557113
Battlecry ;^} too used to play yugioh lel
>>158557104
Mite b cool but the text would be too long
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>>158557113

Effects dont necessarily need activators.

Just sayin.

His card would play as: everything is frozen while this minion is in play.
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>>158514881
If you buy one wing now you can still buy the others after it rotates, but you'll have to do it with gold only.
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>>158547976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj15Fexz4Gk
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>>158557246
He didn't even add the Dragon tribe.
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I still don't know how control hating rogue became a meme.
Out of all control vs combo matchups, vs rogue is the least painful.

Most of the rest just play out like
>pass, pass, pass
>pass, pass, pass, pass, pass
>pass, pass
then 1 of 3 endings:
>Combo player finds enough damage to OTK, combo wins
>Control warrior builds enough armor to escape OTK, combo player concedes
>Control player is not a warrior, control player concedes

(Non-maly) rogue matchups are completely different past tujrn 4 or so. Every turn or every other turn the rogue assembles a dangerous board state to threaten lethal, and the control player has to figure out how to break the check and counter with their own threats.
And most games are pretty close and full of risks on both sides: eg in this one the executes and violets were buried deep so i ended up facetanking upwards of 60 damage with 5 weapons.

miracle rogue actually is fun and interactive compared to malydruid, freeze mage, anyfin pally, etc
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>>158553930

>enemy hero

Literally funless
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Would this make kripp happy?
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>>158557621
Why does this idiot always pick mage and then cries like a little baby that the enemy is mage? So he has the right to pick the objectively best arena class, but everyone else isn't allowed to do so?
Why do you faggots even like this salty baby?
>>
>>158557754
I like him because of what you just said. Hes the only youtuber I watch
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>>158557432
Is this entire post for real?
>>
>>158557754
he picks mage to win, but has a problem with the fact that you essentially have to pick mage whenever you can, to win
>>
Can someone explain to me the whole WIIIINDS meme?

He's completely useless without some kind of damage buff, so basically he's a 10 mana combo off the bat. A 10 mana, deal 12 damage combo that gets stopped by taunts.

But that's not all, if he manages to stick in the board he's completely non-threatening and can get traded up by as low as a 4-drop. If there is a taunt he is very likely to kill himself. He isn't good removal.

He just seems like an extremely slow and awful finisher on a class with amazing finishers to me.
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>>158558269
1) He has arguably the best summoning line in the game and a really high-tier attacking line.
2) Back during the days of... GvG I believe? Information revealed that WIIIIINDS was the legendary with the highest winrate in the game.
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>>158555754
give a minion: deathrattle, summon a 2/2 ghoul
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>>158558057
Fedora Controll surive close to rank 20 rouge, and think now he is the Skillord.
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>>158558269
Pre-nerf he was a 18 damage combo, which is pretty good since Shaman has a rather easy time bringing you below 18 health. It's not a weapon and he has no overload.
He was just another death timer for you if you're facing Shaman.
>>
how long till tourney
>>
>play flamewaker antonidas and 4 magic missiles
Kek pretty unlikely to happen but it was still fun as fuck. Got 3 missiles from rhonin and discounted them with emperor
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>>158555754
Freeze a character
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>>158558269
He's fun because he attacks twice and when he comes into play he says WIIIIINDS really loudly.
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>>158558057
>>158558482
Not entirely serious.
This list is seriously fun though, highly recommended.
>LOK-TAR-OGAR
>LOK-TAR-OGAR
>LOK-TAR-OGAR
>LOK-TAR-OGAR
>incredible~
>>
>Play burn tempo
>get control only
>Play minion tempo
>get shaman only
Why is life so hard?
>>
Well, now that Shadowverse is officially to be released after Half-Life 3, what class should I play a Malch version of?
>>
>>158559137
>12 minions excluding Barnes
>only 2 (4 would be really stretching it) are good to get

What's going on here?
>>
>>158558495
>>158558269

>not appreciating your 8 mana fireball

In a class with Overload, 8 mana for 6 damage seems reasonable.

Lava burst is already 5 for 5.

Add 3 mana to that and you get a 3/5 body (sometimes) left on the table. Gud deal. You guys complain about everything.
>>
>>158558495

>18 damage combo
>staying a rockbiter virgin for at least 10 turns.

Dont be ridiculous.

Only new players do things like that.
>>
I like Alexstrasza so much

She's sexy and fun and strong
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>7 more days
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>>158559761
>You guys complain about everything.
Nobody wants that shit buffed, but nobody really wants to play it because it's neither a good finisher, nor a good board control tool. In every scenario he's good, there is something better to play that costs less.
>>
>play as Liadrin
>turn 6
>Ah, hello challenger!
>WHO AM I? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

Try to name better BM than this
Hint: there is none
>>
>>158560830

>get lethal off babbling book
>Marvelous!
>>
>>158560830

Classy/10
>>
>>158560830
I am slightly triggered. Just enough to give you a (You) and not much else.
>>
>>158559532
you can brewmaster up the minis for mucho "fun"
honestly tho it's just there to give you something to do other than tank up and pass for 20 turns
i actually fell asleep a coupla games back

>>158560527
>not recognizing sarcasm
>>
>>158491921
"you can only stream gwent or sv for one day"
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>>158561470
>Gwent
>tfw no key
>>
>>158561882
i know that feel.
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>>158561882
this desu senpai
>>
>>158558362
>Back during the days of... GvG I believe? Information revealed that WIIIIINDS was the legendary with the highest winrate in the game.

Probably a case of Blizzard interpreting data wrong. They see that people win 90% of games where they cast WIIINDS and make the conclusion that WIIIINDS must be WIIIINS, when in reality it's just a side effect of the card being so terrible that you only ever play it if you're so far ahead that you cannot lose anymore.
>>
Why do pally legendaries have the best intros?

>Tirion
>Eadric
>LightRag
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>>158504986

It's fucking absurd that a weighted coin flip simulator has a million dollars for the best coinflipper.
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>Avenge 2.0
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>>158562841
It is great when they don't have lightning storm
>>
>>158562557
light rag is amazing flavor, easily top-tier in every way
i even run him in my daily quest ebubbladin army as the "general"
i really wish there was a viable pally deck not built around cancerous combos
>>
Why do I fucking never draw a taunt when I get the usual tavern retard that just vomits his entire hand on every turn
>>
>>158560527
>>158562529

Honestly, Alakir is ok. Good even.

You just have to understand what you are actually paying for.

>Single body Windfury + Charge

I can spend half an hour typing about why this alone is worth 8 mana, but I dont feel like it.

Figure it out.
>>
You know, people talk about Deathwing as how a trump card should be and while I think it's a better design than Yogg I'm still not pretty sure he's that well designed.

After all Deathwing turns the game into a timer. Do you have removal or can you draw removal before 2 turns pass? If yes, you win. If not, you lose.

Then again it's extremely easy to counter him so I'm not all that sure.
>>
I have three legendaries.

I have opened 125 packs in the 2-3 months I've been playing.
This game sure is friendly to beginners.
>>
HA HA

0-4GUY
>>
>hands0m4
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>firebats posture
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>vs 'burgle rogue'
>Wins via core cards and edwin cheese
Huh really makes you think
>>
>>158563385
unfortunately team5 never intended that shit to be viable, and they rockbiter nerf just put the last nail in the coffin.
they've screwed up their design process so badly that shaman hasn't ever been able to properly use its own tools
just imagine any of the windfury cards in rogue, or warlock, or warrior...
And yet they've been considered unplayable in serious shaman decks for the class's entire history
And now WINDS gets dumped in that category too
They need to rework their vision for shaman as a class on a fundamental level

>>158564352
"burgle rogue" as a separate archetype is a joke
right now all good rogue decks are basically the same list of ~25 core just with slightly different flavors and finishers
at the end of the day you could just call it "rogue"
>>
>tfw over 300 packs in and no alex, edwin, tirion, jaraxxus, harrison or deathwing
>had to craft bloodmage and ragnaros
Oh well at least I have like 10k dust
>>
>Realize I'm kind of late on ladder, rank 17
>make a burn mage deck (no time to freeze or secrets, just burn burn burn
>winstream to 7
here we go boy, lets finish laddering in a day
>>
Is Ben Brode the one delaying Shadowverse's steam release?
>>
GIVE ME THE PACKS THIJS
>>
THIJS THIJS THIJS THIJS
>>
>>158562841
I fucking love this card. It's probably my favourite trap. Nothing fucks over mages/druids/rogues harder than getting a free 4/2 after they use their removal.
>>
>murloc knight

HOWDY HOE
>>
>>158565627
SKILL
K
I
L
L
>>
digital athletics
>>
What the fuck im only rank 16 why the fuck do I keep playing against midrangr shaman? This is bullshit how arent those people rank 5 or so?
>>
Double murloc knight, GG
>>
>>158563681
not entirely true, dwing still interacts with taunts for example, and if the opponent's hp is low enough ANY minion is a taunt. you can also still win by drawing instant damage.

dwing doesn't play free counterspells or snipes/noble sacs for protection
>>
>>158565257
If delays means I get more free packs then I don't care
>>
>>158565714

it's almost the end of the month and they aren't 10 yet

also they have to be pretty fucking horrible to still be around that rank with that deck
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>Mage played 3 cabalist tomes, 3 firelands portals, 1 flamestrike and tons of other burn shit
>Still lost because midrange shaman is broken
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>Zoo isn't control they said
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>caster math
>>
FREE PACK

F E E L S G O O D M AN
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>*mumble mumble*
>oh shit it is lethal, how did we miss that?

Why are the casters for hearthstone so shit? Can't blizzard find at least decent caster who actually have knowledge of the game?
>>
Our guy Thijs making it look easy holy shit. I'm just nowhere near skillful enough to get two Murloc Knights out of a match like that, but that's why he's a pro and I'm not.
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>firebat trying to explain how this didn't win the game
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>>158565938
Sad it's every tournament too
>>
>>158565928
It's per match, not per round

>>158565938
Casting quality has gone straight into the ground recently, i suspect they cut or even eliminated the budget for it
>>
>>158565849
>>158565884
>Zoo is not aggro
:^)
>>
>>158566093

Zoo is technically a control class. It usually chooses to clear the board instead of going face.
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>>158565938

>artosis chose heroes over hearthstone to cast
>>
>prize pool 1 mirrion dorra for RNG gaem

where do i sign up
>>
>>158566194
This makes me sad, he was hilarious at that one Blizzcon he casted, I think. He had this really awesome line with Ben Brode on the cast about Sea Giants and Shamans botting on ladder, wish I could remember it.
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>>158566303

the pool is $2m next year, so better start ladder grinding now
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>>158565938
ThatsAdmirable has always been utter garbage at casting. Sadly, Firebat is the only decent caster we have this time round. At least they didn't invite fucking Gnimsh or Lothar though.
>>
>tinkmaster is now tournament meta
"dust him" they said
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Is Thijs winning?
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>>158566334

>tfw he's unironically the first blizzcon champ

With SC2 dead in Korea I hope he starts picking up gigs for HS with the Asian tournaments
>>
>Thijs has no flag
Is he from motherbase?
>>
I like how smug this China is
>>
>>158566497

Maybe he is from a non-country?
>>
rng on this tinkmaster is going to decide the game. So excited!
>>
>>158566546

he is dutch so that makes the most sense
>>
tink master CMON BRUH WHY RNG FUCK YOU CUNT SUTPID BITCH LET ME GET MY FREE PACK
>>
Playing questing after Lol
>people voted for him
>>
would be lethal if he pumped his questing one more .................
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>playing civ 6 while watching athletic hearthstone

comfy tbqh
>>
Thijs got so fucking lucky after that misplay
>>
>There was people who didn't vote for free packs
>>
Who /reddit/ here?

Based thighs giving us ez packs
>>
Someone, somewhere didn't vote for Thijs. Isn't that crazy?
>>
>>158567060
>voting for someone who misplays
>>
>Chinese Hearthstone
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>your face when you voted for Thizzz
>>
>>158563681

>Deathwing turns the game into a timer.

Nop. Not at all. hes not a timer. Hes a Y/N question.

>it's extremely easy to counter him

That is.. a really wrong way to look at strategic cards...

I'll try to explain this in a heuristic manner.

Scenario: Opponent plays a golden monkey. You play golden Deathwing. Your opponent concedes.

Why?

1) one or two swings by DW will end your opponent.

2) you are 100% sure your opponents removals are all gone/converted into nat pagles etc

3) it is unlikely for him to have gotten a legendary taunt minion, counting how few there are; in any case they are all pretty weak.

So when should you actually play a card like DW?

1) Not when you have gathered 0 information about your opponent.

>both hexes gone? check
>DW cleared for launch

2) Not when you havent informed your opponent that all your brawls/board clears have been used up.

>does he think all my board clears removals are gone? check
>he's not holding back / about to misplay so hard without knowing

Think about yesterday's championship matches.

Why did Naiman Brawl when the board had only bbbgungun's Water Elemental and one of his own minions?

>because Naiman is a masterclass Yogg shitter who thinks ahead

Bbgungun had so many opportunities to play around Yogg but he just kept walking right into it. Naiman really played the superior game against bbgungun. Shame about the outcome, but thats HS.
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>>158567110
Is this what they call the High Life?
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>>158567110
>mfw

We're gonna be rich!
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>not picking the real life Dr. Pavel as your champion
>>
>need 2 wins with druid and hunter

easy 4-0 incoming
>>
>>158567405
The matchup between CW and Malydr00d comes down to pressure on the latter's end. The early ramp just played is a good step, but this fight will be decided, probably, by the placement of Justicar in the draw lineup.
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>Thijs's topdeck skills
>>
>Thijs' flag appears
this will jinx him.
>>
>>158567519

You need good top deck skill to be a champion.
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>>158567110
How did the free packs work? 1 per won game or 1 per series?
>>
>>158563681
To add on to what the other anon said: yeah, deathwing is not a timer in any way.
HS has many effective timer mechanics (and most of them are negative)
He should be seen as an "all-in", "hail mary", or "final push" play from the one who plays it.

Also, giant-statted minions (without taunt) at higher costs don't actually affect the game as strongly as they might seem to at first glance.
One of the key features of HS is ubiquitous, cheap, non-scaling removal, which forces the power curve to be strongly nonlinear as you go up and down in mana cost.
If i'm playing, say, control warrior (just take a look at a lockdown list like >>158559137) on turn 10 i will almost always have at least 3 different ways to remove deathwing at minimal cost, while making my own proactive plays alongside.
If i see a 12/12 come down on turn 10, i'm not worried at all, i'll just browse through my hand and decide how to nuke it.

that's why rogues in unfavored matchups will go all-in early and waste valuable resources to build eg an 11/7 questing, 14/10 edwin, 12/4 gadgetzan, etc as early as possible to minimize the chance that their opponent can efficiently respond to it
>>
>>158567676
One free pack per game. The max amount of free packs you can get it six if someone wins all their matches to the championship.
>>
>>158567676
per series, 6 max.
>>
>>158567859
>6 max.
can someone post the brackets?

I guess someone in the loser brackets might get more games to play, but if they lose 1 do they play 2 more or just 1 more game
>>
>How to fix hearthstone

>Both players has 3 cards for mulligan initially (second player got 2 card draws for the first turn)
>remove coin
>Introduce a mechanic call rush (similar to charge but cannot attack hero)
>Introduce the mechanic called evolve (give a minion +2/+2 and rush)
>First player gets 2 evolve points while second player gets 3 evolve points
>First player can evolve on turn 5 while second player can evolve on turn 4

Doing this will make hearthstone focus more around minion combats.
>>
dat mulch swag
>>
WHEN DO I GET MY PACKS, REEEE
>>
>>158568053
Hey, that's cool and all, but how about no?
>>
Chink punished for not shield slamming the dark lady
>>
>>158568053
each player should mulligan 3 cards
one of them should win the coin toss
that player chooses if they go first or second
no one mulligans more than 3 cards
coin no longer counts as a spell
>>
>>158567731
>>158567859
Don't forget the extra 1 you get just for picking someone
>>
"Mulch seems weird"

Do these people actually get paid for these retarded commentaries?
>>
THIJS WITH MORE ARMOR THAN A WARRIOR LUL
>>
>>158558362

>Back during the days of... GvG I believe? Information revealed that WIIIIINDS was the legendary with the highest winrate in the game.

The reasons for this are simple.

1) Mid-range Shaman has always been strongest Shaman, even in the days of face/mecha shaman (simply because a deck is most played doesnt mean its good. face/mecha shaman was accessible, easy to play and quick enough to be tolerable)

2) Alakir is typically played in Mid-range Shaman.

3) If you have Alakir, you probably have the wallet for all the other cards you need too, Thalnos etc. So these decks were unlikely to be compromised ones. (also, less f2ps because your typical f2p wouldnt dream of crafting him and conversely, he's more likely to be disenchanted so the f2p can afford 1/4 a ragnaros or something)

4) Alakir is quite honestly a decent card. Not a Tirion, but hes playable and wont hinder the decks that include him too much.

Meanwhile the top utility legendaries like Sylvanas are often the ones that are highly recommended by streamers etc; so cards like these are usually babbies first craft. Expectedly, the sheer volume of it's usage and compromised decks/bads help to pull the win ratio of the truly good legendaries down.

Alakir is just moderate enough not to attract bads from playing it; and not bad enough that your deck wont win just by his inclusion.
>>
How is thighs supposed to deal 50 damage?
>>
>there are people RIGHT NOW who watch the official stream with shit casters instead of Lifecoach+JJ (in english)
>>
did thijs go 4-0?
>>
>>158568278
by being 10 cards deeper than the opponent
>>
andddd he draws justicar gg rip thijs
>>
fatigue deals damage to you not to your opponent
>>
What legendary card should i craft? I already have most basic ones (Rag,Sylvanas,Ysera,Nzoth), and all the adventures ones, I have 1600 dust only.
>>
>>158568636

maybe wait a week until we see the first few meme legendarys of the next pack
>>
Does anyone still believe that Call of the Wild is not nerfed to the ground already?
>>
>>158568407 >>158568579
>>
>>158568310
No :P
>>
>10 mana full hand by turn 5
>still lose
LMao
>>
New thread, fellas.

>>158568748


>>158568748


>>158568748
>>
>>158568689
>to the ground
Of course not, it's still very much playable. Obviously the builds at Blizzcon disagree somewhat though.
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THIJS NO U MUST WIN
>>
>>158567504
I'd call the druid very strongly favored against more reactive lists (like fatigue yogg) and slightly favored against the more proactive lists.
Grom is huge, without him CW will suffer

If the warrior can't apply any pressure on their end, the druid can just sit there and play solitaire.
Especially with fandral, who just straight-up breaks the game. With him + decent idols druid can easily soften up the armor with giants/rag/discd minions/etc then slam 40 into face.

But druid's weakness here is the lack of dedicated board control, against enough pressure they're screwed
Without iceblock/nova/etc they're forced to use burn on minions and then warrior can armor out of range

>>158568278
>How is thighs supposed to deal 50 damage?
Fandral

>>158568689
It's a good card, the problem is that good cards at 9 mana are not playable since 9 is too close to 10.
You're going to look and feel like a shmuck when you cast
>9 mana summon a leokk, misha, and huffer
And then your opponent casts
>10 mana summon a tirion, sylv, cairne, chillmaw, tauren, and hoarder
>10 mana summon gigantic charging murlocs that make huffer look like a stonetusk boar
>10 mana do 32+ damage directly to the opponent's face
>10 mana clear the board, draw 5 cards, cast 4 different secrets from different classes, heal for 5, 10 damage to face
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>>158569839

>It is a good card
>Proceed to explain why it is bad

everytime
>>
>>158568053
So basically Shadowverse?
>>
>>158571578

All the above mentioned might happen. Note that rush mechanic was introduced not long ago in hearthstone (on a card called "charge" ironically).
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>>158572252

Gaben needs some cuts too.
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