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Normies REEEEE edition.

Previous thread >>158263150

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.

The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.

It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.

Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

>Our pastebin
http://pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm

>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod.html

>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is kill.

>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Read the pastebin
>Watch some LPs by Maerlande or NuclearMonkee
>Jump into MP feet first
>Never create shitty threads with political images
>Elves are gud boys dindu nuffin plz no bully

Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform

Results Here:
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first for imprisoned snek
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Second for starting CannotIntoHost now.
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>>158491528
>>158491528
>>158491528
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>>158490721
Xibalba vs. Knight and squires invasion event
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>>158492119
>>158490721
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Fuck yeah Monolith

it killed it by casting curse of the frog prince
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>>158492435
Cute!
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>>158492435
Cool does that mean the Hunter of Heroes is now a frog forevers?
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>>158492435
Imagine the surprise of the girl deciding to kiss a frog for a chance at becoming a princess.
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finally
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>>158492740

ROME

HAS

CONQUERED
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>>158492558

idk it just kinda disappeared
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>>158492971
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
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>>158492740
>Billy Herrington

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR_en0iMMDY
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>>158492740
Too many skelingtons
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>>158492740
So Pythium is the eastern empire, but where is sceleria from?
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>>158493123
reformed western empire
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>>158493123
Sceleria is the remnants of Western Roman Empire with its old capital (Rome/Eldergate) having suffered an undead apocalypse and conquered territories like Gaul+Iberia (Marignon) and Germania (Ulm) having broken free. You could think of the real-world equivalent as Northern Italy with its capital in Mediolanum, Ravenna or something.
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>>158493123

Eastern Western Roman Empire.
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>>158493464

Illyria pls go.
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>>158492740
I'd go for the typical "pls no bully" but I'm sure I asked for this by being Ermor.
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>>158493968
You never played Ermor before, and this is summod. Gonna be an easy one.
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>>158493429
>Scelaria is northern Italy
>therefore Ermor is southern Italy
Somehow this makes it even worse than before.
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>>158494846
After Rome was sacked, Ravenna became the capital of remnants of the empire.
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south of ermor is machaka
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>>158492606
I don't think that it works that way. Similar to how you can resummon a transformed unique demon lord, I'm pretty sure that it's a Hunter of Heroes that gets called to attack and if there's none then it'll create one. That said, if it's by that unique unit rather than monster ID, it would be awesome.
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>>158495243
I thought that was Germany?
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>>158494846
Now that I think about it, there really isn't any reason why Sceleria would have to be Dominions world equivalent of Northern Italy. Who knows, perhaps Sceleria is Italian peninsula South of Rome (Eldergate), maybe throw Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica there for good measure and make not-Syracuse the capital of Sceleria.
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Any of you faggots know what the names of the places what where Storm Demons and Demon Knights come from?
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>>158495336
>>158494846
>>158495126
>there really isn't any reason why Sceleria would have to be Dominions world equivalent of Northern Italy.
Other than the historical capitals of WRE I already mentioned being in the North, anyway.
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>>158495243
Berytos*
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>>158495415
All I know is Abyss, Inferno, and Kokytos
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Does anyone else find it weird that Dominions has lorefags? Like, it's clear that K.O. and friends don't think about these kinds of interrelations in any detail, so anything you come up with is basically just fan fiction anyway.
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>>158495415
Inferno.
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>>158495415
your mom
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Does anyone have the mapfile for Riverlands? It doesn't seem to be up anymore.
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>>158495415
The spell file for Demon Knights mentions "Dis Gate", so I assume they come from the Iron City of Dis.
Storm Demons idk
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>>158495638
it's in the steam thread
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>>158495883
Thanks senpai
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>>158495638
Jesus, how a man can be so inept?

https://mega.nz/#!hpVRxZRY!UbSpWCusfFLX7ae-h9m1dVGPVwZkYr8kmdfGQD0wsgU
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>>158495705
Spell file?
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>>158495609
It's not like the devs came up with all the shit themselves, they just neatly collected lots of mythology from all sort of different cultures and tried to weave them together leading to a pretty interesting result.

Not a lot of settings have several different hells and heavens co-existing. You get angels fighting onis surrounded by nordic giants drenched in the water of Styx.
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Assuming that this is for the War in Hell mod, you could consider making each 'nation' just one of the Demon Lords with only that Demon Lord available as a pretender chassis. Then you can fill their national rosters with stuff that makes sense with said demon lord's paths and lore.
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>>158496656
>tfw have ideas for mod and could possibly get something together with dom4editor but have absolutely no ability to make work with sprites.
Once I get my mouse working again I'll have another go at GIMP but for now I'll just feel sorry for myself.
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>>158495609
I rather think they DO think about that kind of stuff. Be it juxtapositions of history historical events (like not Alexander the Great clearly reaching not India as demonstrated by Arco having monkey units or backstory of Vanarus referring to Norsemen/Varangians->Vanheim founding Kievan Rus as well as Ulmish->Teutonic Knight attacking Novgorod) or general consistency and attention to detail (like Heart Companions, inspired by Sacred Band of Thebes, being gay), a very great deal of thought clearly has gone into Dominions worldbuilding.
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>>158496140
It's tagged as one of the spells for ritual of five gates or at least was in Dom 3
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>>158497229
There are little things like that, discrete cases, but they don't have a broader geospatial conception of the world in their heads.
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How the hell did LA Atlantis get so much better after Riley kicked their ass?
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>>158497621
They had to shape up.
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You guys only have yourselves to blame for this. I told you it wouldn't be enough, but you still were stingy with your pearls. Well, enjoy your wails I guess.
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>>158497379
>but they don't have a broader geospatial conception of the world in their heads

explain bertyos beef with machaka then, or all the little ermor splinter empires. shit LA pythium even references how Major 2ndary cults took hold in eastern roman empire during the most turbulent times, also Caelum versus China which is Tibet versus china
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>>158497379
Well, there's no canonical map of the world of Dominions but numerous interactions between the factions inferred from fluff are very much consistent with the real-world geography of the places of origin for mythology and history the factions are based on. You can't say if there's not Arabian peninsula or not Himalayas, but we know Ragha was somewhere in between not Greece and not India because it was cut off by not Alexander's conquests, and unsurprisingly, looking at real world map, that's where we find Zoroastrianism Ragha is inspired by.
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>>158498059
Shillary embezzling charity funds once more.
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>>158497009
If you get the crunch done, I'm sure artfags will help you with the spriting.
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I kind of want a summonable obelisk type commander. Big stats and everything but completely immobile except for teleportation like the pretender shell.
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>>158498059
>take the pearls
>cast a basic dispel
>lol guys it failed too bad
>free pearls

That's what I would have done
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>>158498797
There's one in ME. There's also an Idol of Sorcery that is situationally ridiculously strong, but said setup requires a minimum of 100 pearls to even build so it's probably ok.
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>>158498059
In that case, I'll be going AI as well
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>>158498059
I sent you all my pearls you shit. :|
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>>158498609
>>158498812

I fucking wish I stole the pearls instead of being legit about it now. But that global is really fucking shitty and I had to try. You can't even hit indies without your army scattering in all directions afterwards. Somehow nobody else cares. Oh well, this game was a mess from the get-go anyway with that Ragha cheating business and all. Guess Lemuria wins again...

>>158499153

Well, I spent double the pearls myself than what I got from everyone else combined. I waited a turn in case someone else would decide to do their part and no one did.
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>>158499465
You just hid the gems in your shell mages.
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>>158499465
Looks like 90% of your donations went to charity after all.
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>>158499465
>tfw I'm sitting on a massive stack of pearls and didn't send a single one
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>>158499465
>no-one else cares
>i sent you all my pearls
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>>158499827

Yeah, I got you, mate. But you and I weren't enough. Hell, we'd probably need around 900 pearls just to do it anyway. It was a futile effort.
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Still my favorite mod
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>>158500078
>better balance
It never pretended to be a balance mod
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So none of my priests (prophet or not) in any of my games casts Blessing or Divine Blessing EVER, whether scripted or not. Only mods I'm running are Summod and Worthy Heroes. What gives?
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>>158500078
I honestly super like it. Here's a way to look at it: Vanilla isn't balanced, christ no. This isn't balanced. But this has more cool stuff than Vanilla. So by that reasoning alone it's better objectively.
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>>158501928

Magic Enhanced isn't just something as simple as unbalanced, it's completely and utterly broken.
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>>158502186
Teach me which strat so I can own nerds in the next game
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>>158493123

For being the eastern roman empire they really don't resemble the eastern roman empire. Their units are identical to Republican/Imperial Rome, which was everything at the case when the eastern empire was relevant(300-400AD)
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Working on War in Hell mod, in which you are the demons.
Currently doing thrones. Cannot decide what to do with L1 and L2 thrones:
Tortures?
Lesser sins? (Lying, theft, etc)
Names for Evil?
Something else?

The seven deadly sins are reserved for L3 thrones.
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If I take an awake expander and scales, what is my endgame? MA Arco if that helps.Will communions be enough to win the game, or do I need deep access to more paths?
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>>158504193
L2, 9 circles of hell and purgatory
L1, punishments
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>>158504468
Some of the 9 circles are already taken by faction names, alas.
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>>158504338
You have full battlefield access to FWESN through native communions. That's good buffing paths. Could be better if you had A, but still really good.
Mystic communions are also excellent at spamming battlemagic.
All you need to win off that is good stuff to buff. Alas, you're pretty shit at rituals aside from the S ones.
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>>158504338
I take E6D3 doggo, research enchant for earth blood deep well and hidden in sands.
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>>158502552
There's a lot of different stuff that's vastly stronger than vanilla, honestly, which makes it hard to pick out a single 'best.'

For instance, C'tis has these ridiculously OP sacred summons, but it's hard to say if that makes the nation OP given that the best way to leverage them is with a big bless that c'tis doesn't typically use. Reach through Dimensions also brings stupidly strong summons, but it's big N big S, so it's awkward for most nations to cast it without a pretender and doesn't come up until Conj 9.

I'm trying out a strat using the idols of sorcery in a ME game now, but I haven't found anything worth dropping 170 gems of killing on.
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Mari you here? time to talk borders
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Has anyone actually spotted lemuria yet?
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>>158505776
>sexualizing Rin
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Someone rush this fag NOW.
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>>158505942
my god's name is shindoL, nothing is sacred, Rin is best girl shoujo though
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>>158505942
The slut is literally from a porno, you second-rate weebtard.
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>>158505776
Yes ok. I'll take 116 and go no farther south. Since we're so friendly, I wish you the best of luck. I'd hate to be forced to vulture a friend.
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>>158506367
sounds good friend
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>>158506029
>>158506096
Rin is pure and best girl. Don't sexualize her or call her a slut or REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>158506802
Yes, of course. The girl with a masturbation scene is "pure". I didn't realize it was opposite day.
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>>158506029
And Albedo is top tier as well

It's like waifuing a reaction image
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Oh wow, I started close to forests. This game is already my best showing as VR.
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>>158507269
>>158506802
>>158506096
>>158505942
>>>/ksg/
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>>158504193
Tentative decision made:
All thrones will provide blood slaves.
L1 thrones will be names of hell and words for damnation. Each one will allow for recruitment of a special type of demon.
L2 thrones will be tortures. Each one will allow for free recruitment of chaff with a low reclimit and provide a bless augmentation.
L3 thrones will be deadly sins. Each one will allow for the free recruitment of a special type of sinner with a high reclimit and a powerful special type of demon.
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Illfraud has done it again, for Dom5 they can only keep 5 nations per age, and have asked you which ones. Which nations do you pick?
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>>158508193
Arcoscephale, Marignon, Mictlan, Ashdod and Atlantis, because they have a version in each age. That means that there's less work that needs to be done making them distinct from other nations in each age. That means Shillwinter is more likely to choose my suggestion.
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>>158507319
a man of taste I see
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Turn 26 graphs

Research:
First: Dalkrin
Second: Sahuagin
Third: Robbledoth
Fourth: Mathosia
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>>158508761

Gems
First: Dwarfs
Second: Dalkrin
Third: Artea
Fourth: Smerv
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>>158505882
I can tell you where I am, if you'd like =)
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>>158509023
Do it nerd.
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>>158508512

There's an EA Mari now?
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>>158509445
Marverni
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>>158509598

Oh. Right. Somehow I never remember Marveni exists.
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Assassinations show which nation did it, right?
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>>158508512
Remove Arco and Mari, add TC and R'lyeh.
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>>158511187
Unless it was via spell
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>>158512063
some spells also show which nation did it, but most don't
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Innovative Lemurian thread
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So uh, just curious for those not really doing all that much. Are you guys actually going to fight back, or just watch me claim the thrones?

Sorry if I have to step on some toes soon, 45 throne points needed is RETARDED.
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>>158514586
ded thread 2, ded harder.
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Is there any way to put berserk on a thug with magic paths without using the battlefield wide one or an item? I know that nature mages won't target anyone with magic with the Berserkers spell
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>>158519120
Is berserk even worth putting on a thug?
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>>158519657
Situationally, yes.
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>>158508193
Is this a thinly veiled attempt to bring up the remove nations shit again?

It's almost certainly never going to happen, the large variety of nations and lore is a very important part of dominions.

I'm not gonna do every age, but for EA I'd choose Arco, Caelum, Niefelheim, TNN, and Mictlan. That should get most playstyles something to represent them.
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>>158519657
Just confirmed this elsewhere first but berserk thug can actually win by auto rout when attacking. That's a pretty good trick.
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I love ichtyids!
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How the fuck do I get my UW mages to stop casting school of sharks holy shit.
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>>158524170
Script them.
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>>158524260
>script them to cast summon water power and summon water elemental times 4
>second cast is school of sharks
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place your bets
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>>158526042
I bet 30 death gens on skeletons.
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>>158526042
I bet on the side with more mage power
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>>158527273
you win

and on this day Atlantis learned massed cleansing water is useless
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Pikes or Halberds for basic troops? Generally of course.
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>>158527913
He has massively more quality troops/mages there desu
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>>158528134
I just honestly only see garbage to recruit and am unsure what to do with all this water magic
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>>158528438
Welcome to Atlantis. It's like EA Atlantis, but without the big E magic for buffs or good troops to put the buffs on. Instead, you get coastal communion mages for WATER communions. Because that's the cool big path that people want to communion up.

You CAN beat Ermor with watercannons, but you need much bigger ones than that. Talking like 8 slaves 12+ masters
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>>158528438
Water/Ice elemental spam?
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spooks spotted in 85
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>>158530405
Hello Agartha =)
I will be taking 84 next, if that's okay with you.
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>>158530463
sure, but can you provide high quality lewd images of ghostly figures?
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>>158530617
This is a blue board, but I may have some Youmu doujins that I can edit to not be explicitly lewd.
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>>158530617
>ghostly figures
That's half-ghostly, you absolute pleb.
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>>158530958
actually its' half-phantom, way to out yourself 2ndary
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wow formoria, greedy much? everyone want that Ur pie
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>>158528635
thanks, i have enough for that

might try getting that up and running

>>158529361
tried that, he shatters ice elementals without any effort
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>>158530958
>>158531127
Have some full ghost =)

Oh, and sorry about the bump, Mictlan =(

I assume you won't miss those mercenaries too much, though. You have expanded very well! =)
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Where can I find the newest version of the debug mod? Desura a shit still.
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How do I bootstrap into Lamia queens? are there any indy mages I can summon with N/D?
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>>158535785
Troll Shamans (Summon Troll Tribe) have N1D1 ?1EDN.

I have a question in return, though: why would you ever want to bootstrap into lamia queens? There's likely a better route for whatever you're planning.
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>>158536680
Not him, but communions.
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>>158536680
I want the D/B crosspath for vamps and have no native blood
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>>158536741
Use a matrix. Even if you don't get native S/E and can't trade it's probably easier to get the crosspath than to start summoning lots of lamia queens.

If you just need one, maybe. I can't think of a situation where you'd just need one caster, though. Even if they're for battlefield buffs you generally want multiple armies.

>>158536797
That's a hard one, none of your options are great. Just to make sure, is trading for blood slaves not an option?

Have you considered using scouts and/or cheap indie commanders to blood hunt and just empowering a death mage with the results?

You need over 50 gems just per lamia with blood magic, and more specific path combinations are even less likely. Commanders without blood have a very poor chance individually, but 10 in a province is 4/5 as effective as a B1 lamia queen.

400g of commanders vs 50 gems of lamia queen. I know which I'd prefer.
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>>158537413
>and more specific path combinations are even less likely
Lamia Queens all have D. Every B random is B/D, and I only need one for vamps.

I don't plan on relying on the queens to bloodhunt, just skip the empowering blood onto a D mage phase and go directly to vamp summoning.
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>>158537413
>Use a matrix. Even if you don't get native S/E and can't trade it's probably easier to get the crosspath than to start summoning lots of lamia queens.
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>If you just need one, maybe. I can't think of a situation where you'd just need one caster, though. Even if they're for battlefield buffs you generally want multiple armies.

They're communion slaves. You use them because they can cast sabbath and have insanely high regen, so they can support a large number of masters.
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>>158537413
>Use a matrix. Even if you don't get native S/E and can't trade it's probably easier to get the crosspath than to start summoning lots of lamia queens.

A communion with lamia queen slaves can stably support 25 masters with enlarge and a regen spell. It's pretty damn amazing. Giving all of your mages 1/3rd fatigue on their spells and +1 path boost is worth 40 gems. 1/5th fatigue and +2 path boost may even be worth 80, but that's a bit more questionable
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>>158537540
So you're saving 50 slaves (B1 empower) by spending 50 nature gems (roughly average gems per lamia queen which gets a blood random).

Obviously I don't know your exact situation but that doesn't seem like a good trade to me, even if you get a couple of decent mages on top.

>>158537626
Oh, turbocommunion. Alright, that's a decent use I hadn't thought of, if a very expensive one.

>>158537836
I agree. Your numbers are a bit off, though. Lamia Queens are 25 gems each, and half of them need a slave matrix, so it'd be 60/120 gems respectively.
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>>158538095
>Lamia Queens are 25 gems each
They're 20 in summod :^)
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>>158538095
>a very expensive one.
Not really desu. It's a huge battlefield boost for the price of a thug. It's downright amazing for a few nations like sauro and c'tis.
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>>158538354
I don't see any indication we were talking about summod.

>>158538450
I'd consider a 50 gem thug an expensive investment too.
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>>158538954
It's kinda default on domg, to be fair
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>>158538095
>decent use
A battery of four can effortlessly sustain 14 mages spamming basically whatever from now until one of the lamias suffers a never-healing wound. Even basic buffing can dramatically increase that.
They're downright amazing for turbocommunism.
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Hello Fiends of Darkness.

War in Hell mod:
Would you want the difference between the damned human indies and demonic troops to be like that between vanilla indies and vanilla national troops or like that between vanilla indies and vanilla elite national troops?
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>>158493061
>ROMANES EUNT DOMUS

Kek, rewatched it yesterday
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Admin, need an extension. Somehow failed at actually sending in my turn file and won't have chance to fix that in time.
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>>158542967
Bad luck then
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Quick reminder since this is a new thread: The VGL7 roster poll is still ongoing and has been edited to include a few more potential players, so if you already voted you may want to check it out again. Poll closes at 12:00 UTC tomorrow.

http://pastebin.com/4YsNQcjn
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Is it possible to get this when sending for horror attacks?
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>>158539769
Damned humans shouldn't be able to put up much of a fight against demons. In fact, it may make sense to turn most of them into slaves. The ones that aren't slaves could be rebels with stronger stats or half-demons.
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>>158543735
Yes
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>>158539769

I'd say the Damned should be bad indies, rather than making the demons more ridiculous.

>>158543756

That's a fairly good idea.
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>Asphodel Waiting for 2h file

Hngh
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If I break siege and retreat, do my troops get back in the fort or die?
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>>158508761
>that Sahuagin rate of increase

He'll be leaving everyone else in the dust soon.
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>>158544665
They get back to the nearest free province, including inside the fort. If you own provinces outside the fort they might retreat there, for example.
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>>158543951
>Turn resending intensifies
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does rust mist works against coral armor?
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>>158546987
All rust effects work only on non magical iron armor, look for the "ferrous" tag in the inspector.
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Sure is ded here.
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Noob here testing stuff out versus AI. Are there units worth getting using the Wish spell? I'm thinking SC and/or very strong mages.
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>>158549817
Seraphs, probably. You can also wish for unique artifacts and monsters like magic lamp or elemental royalty to steal them from other people. Most of the time wishing for gems is what you should do though.
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>>158549817
Seraphs are usually the go-to Wish unit, but wishing for mages (often heroes) who have a high level of magic you don't have natively can be worth it as well.
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>>158527990
Pikes. L>damage every time
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>>158549817
I would say either telkhines or Queen of the city.
Maybe Stargazer if you need more wishers.
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What on earth does one do against an Eater of the Dead with 1k+ hp? Spam Soul Slay? Dude has 22 MR.
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>>158526042
>That fucking garbage battle formation from Ermor.
I know who's NOT winning
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>>158550329
Effective formations are for pussies t b h
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>>158550219
With the recent update you can try to Stream of Life him. Ignores MR so it's all about RNGesus.
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>>158549817
Seraphs if you want something that will kill an army or cripple it severely. Telkhines if you want casters.
>>158550219
Ignore it, it's one monster and shouldn't be under control of the enemy anymore. Just retake provinces it takes until it hits a fort. A fort under perpetual siege is a lot better than risking losing a massive investment to a really tough to kill monster.
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>>158550219
Yes, soul slay spam. 22MR is fucking NOTHING.
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>>158550929

It's generally sufficient when you need to land two, sometimes three in order to kill him.
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>>158550219
Assassins, plural. Maximize damage output for them and just swarm him with 10 or so. An assassin can easily output 100 or so damage per round.

Of course you'd have to attack normally with them then, don't use assassination.
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>>158550929

Really though, no amount of MR will protect an SC against a Soul Slay machine gun.
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>>158551547
Just use disintegrate. Works on mindless/lifeless units, and only needs D2.
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>>158551601
I think disintegrate has to be aimed, while soul slay has precision 100.
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>>158551683
Think again. Or better yet, use the fucking dom inspector next time.
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>>158551601

Still has an MR check and has shittier range, also it's Thaum 5 vs Alt 8. If you're not going up against a mindless SC and have access to S and D, then there's no reason to use it over Soul Slay.
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>>158551727
Are you drunk? There is no reason to use disintegrate over Soul slay unless you want to kill a mindless SC.

It's the same damage but 20 fucking range, you pleb.
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>>158551829
First of all, it's 25 fucking range, you pleb.

Second, golems are more common than you think.

Third, not all nations have high S, or even enough of low S to make communions, or enough time to set up communions.
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>>158551820
Disintegrate is obviously for skelespam nations.
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>>158551995

If only range scaled with the caster's D level.
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what research should i aim as lanka
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>>158552158
It's supposed to be a "dont fucking touch me you filthy fucking meatbeag" not a "420 noscope headshot" spell.
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>>158552742

BLOOD

Also construction.
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>>158552158
Your range might not increase as your D does, but increasing your D does add more power behind each shot.
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>>158554836
In Dominions as in real life
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>>158554836
>tfw your nation has no big D casters
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>>158555197
Have you tried playing hinnom
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>>158555587
Out of the jews, it's actually Ashdod who have the biggest D.
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>>158555587
>>158555654
When it comes to D, I like Machaka. They might not have the biggest D but they have the crosspaths to really use what they have.
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Son of the Fallen has the biggest D
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>>158555902
Actually he has B by default. Which is basically two Ds on top of each other.
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>>158535046
Just so you guys don't think I'm an idiot that desura link in the OP doesn't work.
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>>158556307
Desura is kill anon.
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>>158556562
Yeah no shit. So where can I find the debug mod now?
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>>158556638
I guess I could upload it but I dont really know how to upload shit.
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C'mon Niefel, what did you expect would happen when you use thugs/SCs against a major blood nation this late?
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>>158556638
Try this:
http://www.indiedb.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod
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>>158557372
Why kill him in such a boring way, when a cloud trapezing danava would be so much more badass?
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How do you pick a specific terrain to get a nation to start in in dom4editor. Wasteland in particular.
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What happens if a guy with luck and/or twist fate casts magic duel and loses? Would losing it trigger twist fate lettingt him try magic dueling again?

Asking for a friend.
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>>158560774
No, magic duel is another thing entirely. It's basically instaded without receiving any damage. Luck saves from soul slay and other spells like it though.
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>>158492606

good one. Good one.
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>>158528438

MA Atlantis is garbage. And I love Atlanteans nations. Even after the patch, I can't make them work.

Don't feel bad, you tried.
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>>158560879

Does Phoenix Pyre work?
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Lemuria time for lewd tribute
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Bizzare Formoria are you a steam shitter? report
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>>158563272
Yes I'm a steamshitter.
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>>158562856
Already craving more? My my, someone really loves ghosts.
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>>158563557
get in chat then my steamshitter friend?
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>>158563659
I'm addicted baby
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do turns
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>>158564885

Unexpected Nation2h file received
=)
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>>158564885
What the fuck did you just fucking tell me to do you little bully? I’ll have you know I AI Top nations in all my games, and I’ve been involved in numerous sudden AI'ing with over 300 game AIs. I am trained in AI'ing Warfare and top staller in the enter /domg/ meta. You are nothing to me but just another reason to go AI. I will Stall you out with extensions of which you never seen before, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the thread? Think again, bully. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of shitters across /v/anheim and your games are being traced..Prepare fo rthe stalls that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your <waiting for .2h MA ulm>. You’re fucking AI'd, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can Ai you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare.trn file. Not only am I extensively trained in stall combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the AI Army and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable game balnace off the face of the pakkiman, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” bully was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. In that case I will be going AI as well.
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Kichikuo Tien chi, I talked to you on steam. Please try to answer me asap, I can't really take my turn until that.
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>>158565228
C+ for effort.
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Why does this general in particular have so many weebs
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>>158557372
How's things going in that game? Sorry about that global by the way, obviously wasn't targeted.
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>>158566101
>Why does 4chan have so many weebs
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>>158566101
because
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Okay, time for Ur and Helheim to send their turns.
And do it NOW.
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>>158566101
>why are there so many weebs on an anime image board
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>>158566101
I don't even watch animu but I still use weeb reaction images.

Muh board culture.
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>>158566101
Autism
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>>158566586
Look in the mirror?
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>>158566975
everything seems fine here
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>>158566732
>mfw I get turn resends whilst at work
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>>158566253
Well Niefel, Hinnom, and Arco decided to attack me, probably to soon be followed by Fomoria. Former two really should stop relying on thugs.
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>>158567971
https://youtu.be/R7DDnpw2T68?t=59s
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>mfw
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>>158568214

how does one gain blood slaves in battle?
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>>158568908
The commander holding them retreats or dies
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Can feeblemind be cured by a healer?
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>>158569318
Generally, yes. That's how Arco works, in general. Certain units, including undead, are not affected by healers, though.
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>>158569318
Yes, but it's one of those afflictions that take more time to heal than most.
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>>158568850
What were you thinking using shit troops so far into late-game?
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>>158556307
It works sometimes. Just keep trying periodically.
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>Our forces have defeated the attacking force from Caelum.

Please, please just learn at some point that this keeps going badly for you.
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>>158571294
don't give up, tolerate no pop-kill nation
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Since Ermor is stealing my site next turn, this will probably be the last you get to see of the graphs. So savor them while you can, because Ermor(who is in the lead) is not likely to share how much in the lead he's in.
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>>158571756
I like he keeps saying "I'm in the lead" while china eats africa and formoria and rlyeh all took a piece off of you and I currently own only my own capital while other nations already hold 2-3
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Who is fighting r'lyeh?
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>>158571929
Nobody. As they should, rlyeh is a nation of peace.
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>>158571891

Gee golly Sezare, how comes your game let you have this high income?
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>>158572010
dunno, ask abysia and c'tis or rlyeh
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>>158569318
Yes, unless they were feebleminded by Mind Hunt or that Astral global
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>>158572145
>>158572265
What the flying fuck was mictlan doing?
Zero added gem income, near zero research.
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>>158572518
Being sieged in his cap?
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>>158572265
>that delta
wew, R'lyeh's gonna have a ball

Just remember to go cons 8 and make cool artifact wielding SCs
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Your reason to "remove my loremasters" are as transparent as your ambitions. You just want to control the graphs so nobody can threaten your rise to power Sezare. But the free world knows of your villainy. You will eventually fall.

>>158572518

Got DPed by Ermor and C'tis. Maybe Abyssia joined in a bit too.
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>>158572759
all I hear is the rantings of country bumpkins, return to the sticks where you belong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcLbV9L5ByA
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>>158571756
I have a feel it wont be the last graph.


:^)
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>>158573070

Ur is a proud and noble civilization

Enki and Anu, not Jupiter and Mars, ok.
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>>158569435
>>158572249
I'm getting contradictory info here.
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>>158573501
Feebleminded can be healed, provided it wasn't caused by mind hunt or strands of arcane power, or if the target is an Undead. Gift of Health does seem to cure undeads though, I've had Tartarians be cured of feebleminded when I've had GoH on
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Good thing I was ready for your Treachery Lizards.
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>>158573791
>Feebleminded can be healed, provided it wasn't caused by mind hunt or strands of arcane power
Do you have any proof on this?

I've never heard about the source of the feeblemind mattering at all for healing.
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>>158573791
Yeah but saying "that's how Arco works" I've assumed he meant healers help Arco's feebleminded mages.
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>>158573917
I've had numerous games where a wanker casts Strands of Arcane power, or Arco mind hunts the shit out of me and my GoH or healers don't repair the damage.
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>>158574139
>mind hunt
>causing feeblemind on the target
Holy shit this is hilarious
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>>158574139
>>158573917
It doesn't matter. Just set up a test game with lich pretender. He gets feebleminded and in a few turns he's as good as new.
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>>158574139
Healing your feebleminded mindhunters is the whole point to Arco. Like, that's what Arco do
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>>158574371
Mindhunt can cause feebleminded pre-soulslay since the damage from the mental attack spell is targeted at the head and can cause afflictions. It's fairly unlikely, all things considered, but it is possible
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>>158574371
>>158574501
I'm not the dude you were responding to, btw. He's still a goof
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Fake information spread on /domg/ general?
Fake information spread on /domg/ general.

Whoever said that assassins target the besieging nation even if he has wall-climbing was a fucking liar.
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>>158574501
Yes, but tardo up there thinks that the game somehow makes it unhealable because it came from a mind burn from a mind hunt.

You know what I bet? I bet he's using disease healers and frantically wondering why the fuck it's not unfeebleminding anything.
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>>158574623
>even if he has wall-climbing
It should have been "unless he has wall climbing" but thanks for confirming
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>>158573791

you're either dumb or lying.

Gift of Health cures undead. Nothing else does. This is why people cast GoH and Tartarian Gate.

Feeblemind can be healed on living units. Game doesn't give two shits about source.
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>>158574756
>>158574623

you're looking for non-wall climbers, scrub.
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>>158574756
>It should have been "unless he has wall climbing" but thanks for confirming

I mean what I said. It makes sense for an assassin without scale walls to NOT be able to assassinate units inside the fort.

Someone though told me that even WITH scale walls, assassins will still target besieger.

I've found out it's not true the hard way. Sorry Ur
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>>158573890

I grew tired of our talks.
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Hey Ghosts, don't go to 152 next month.
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>>158575779
I can't change my turn, at the moment =(
I also don't have access to my map, so I'm not sure what territory that was.
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>>158575916
It's a cave province with Cavemen, Endless Caverns. It's in my cap circ, so I'd rather not come to blows over it.
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>>158576150
Oh, sure. Don't worry, I didn't attack that one.
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>>158576292
>inb4 impersonator
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>>158573106
Ha! It was me!
You thought you were talking to Ermor, but it was me! R'lyeh!
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>>158576451
Don't worry, that was me. You can safely take it this turn. =)

Even if I had attacked it, I surely would cede it to you if I saw it was your cap circle. =)
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>>158576628
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>>158576761
Yeah but that doesn't mean I want to bump into a bunch of ghosts with xbow support.
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>>158576904
I understand. As I said, I don't have my turn in front of me, but I'm almost sure that it's safe.
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Poor late TC. Golems and Tarts everywhere indeed.
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How do events work? Is there a random dice roll at the start of every turn, a roll for each province, or what? Those Russian birds might hold the answer but I've never actually seen anyone pick that nation.
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You're a checky mutha squids
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>>158577549
Roll is per province. Something makes events happen less as the game goes later, but I don't understand the mechanism behind it.
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>>158577552
did he really Wish for an Onyx Oracle?
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>>158577865
considering he had arcane nexus up for 20 somethin turns he could afford it pretty easily
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it's time
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>>158578271
Yo Ermor, You mind if I take some of those lands Ur used to own beside me?
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I'm thinking of tossing together a quick Halloween game with custom skeleton nations fighting for 2 or so thrones.

Should everything be skeletons or should I go with horror classics like the Wolfman, Invisible Man, Frankenstein, and Dracula?
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>>158583307
You know what would be neat? A castlevania nation.
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>>158583307
we already have an all Vampire game, it's called domgnatgen
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>>158583307
Seems like it'd be better as a blitz desu. unless you want to keep playing the halloween game in 2017
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>>158583476
That's a bit beyond me but I could probably steal a few sprites for heroes or super units.

>>158583525
I was thinking of offering a few commanders and each one could summon their units. So you buy the Wolfman and he'll summon wolves for you, Frankenstein gives you heavy undead, and so forth. I know vampires are overdone but Dracula summoning tiny Zotz or bats fits in perfectly.

>>158583671
Probably but I was hoping that it wouldn't go past a few dozen turns without a winner. I'll talk to that blitzserver guy though and see if I can't get him to run a few games this weekend.
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TOUHOU
MOD
NATION
WHEN?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmoAuWfCXU
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Speaking of mod nations, how goes our mod nation games? I think there are several running.
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>>158588476
>living-room-home-wall-decoration.jpg
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>>158588784
Yeah I agree. That's really more of a panel van style artwork.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=muhbalance
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>>158589563
Thanks to whoever posted that, but I would like to note that it is a dominions 4 steam community game, so please sign up in the appropriate thread. I'd link, but mobile.
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>>158588476
I want to play modnations, are you going to make one any time soon?
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>>158588476
IT
NEVER
ENDS
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>>158594645
Disregard, answered my own question.

Would people be interested in a version of cataclysm that added national spells that required certain sites?
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>>158588476
ScrubWarriors seems pretty peaceful from my perspective. Only real annoyance is that the devil fish can reach most coasts in the world, and they are going to rocket past everyone in research.
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Admin, can you do something about Arco? They've staled 5 times in a row now. Seems ridiculous to let the player presumably in the strongest position to just die. Please get a sub.
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Is it normal for players to go AI after their first(?) battle? (Turn 8)
Marverni and Arcosephale seem to have bumped pretenders and Marverni is now AI. He's also huge and I'm pretty sure he was winning the game, nobody else has a throne and I can see the AI's expansion army many provinces from the border with Arcosephale.
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>>158598074
Pantoman, what a shitlord.
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How do I get in touch with llamabeast? I'm the only active player in a game i'm in and would like to close it.
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>>158598074
It's completely normal, and absofuckinglutely retarded. Get used to assholes, morons, cowards, and crybabies if you're going to play this game.
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>>158597571
>Only real annoyance is that the devil fish can reach most coasts in the world
This is a liability in most cases. The downside of expanding well is having many neighbors, and on some maps water nations get that without even being exceptionally sized. Even if the water barrier helps make invading them more annoying, they still have more different threats to worry about and more different dominions pushing into them.

It's all manageable, of course, and there are some nice benefits like being able to join in on gang bangs more easily, but the negatives tend to outweigh the upsides.
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>>158598340

[email protected]
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>Do turn one blind expansion they said
>What could possibly go wrong?

Just remember that nothing in MP games ever goes as well as the SP trial runs.
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>>158602370
Thats what you get for not playing Abysia.
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>>158602370

>that feel when did blind expansion as a human nation and only lost 4 guys
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>>158589897
>>158589563
http://steamcommunity.com/app/259060/discussions/1/312265256995680291/?tscn=1477603905
Note that there is a one win minimum requirement to enter.
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>>158598340
are we finally going to see the end of ErmorOP?
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Game: VanillaCataclysm
Turn number 15
Next turn due: 07:34 GMT on Friday October 28th

Barony of Black 2h file received
Bishopric of Brown 2h file received
Margraviate of Green 2h file received
Emirate of Grey 2h file received
Principality of Pink 2h file received
Beydom of Purple 2h file received
Empire of Red 2h file received
Khanate of White 2h file received
Autocracy of Aquamarine 2h file received
>Bureucracy of Beige Waiting for 2h file
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>>158604624
>mfw grey started taking over water provinces just as I get ichtyids
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would pans make a decent thug?

>can cast earthpower and skin spells
>has n for a third buff
>sometimes gets a
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>>158604860
no just use dryads and use them to cast swarm if you want to raid with mages
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>>158604790
Grey is getting pretty big
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>>158605567
time to talk about how big he is and wait for someone to attack him so we can backstab
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>>158604860
They're workable but not good because they still don't have good layered defences (they rely exclusively on protection, more or less).

More importantly, Pangaea can raid extremely cost-effectively with their national troops. Foreign recruit satyr commander priced at 40g and 265-285 gold worth of units (revelers or centaur warriors, alternatively 120g centaur hierophant and several white centaurs) can handle any realistic PD just as well as a Pan with same gold cost and no gem investment. And should you play turmoil Pan, you can also take "Ermor" approach into raiding and shoving hordes of maenads at PD instead of going the elf route of being sneaky.

In LA I suppose Panii would in principle be more lucrative due to being cheaper than in EA/MA and Pangaea having lost their best stealthers, but LA indies having more heavy-hitters like heavy cavalry wouldn't work so good with Panii thugs relying on protection.
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>>158597571
>ScrubWarriors seems pretty peaceful
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just a late game thing
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Is soliciting deathbaskets acceptable or no?
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>>158607375
it depends
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blitz starting in steamshitter chat
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>>158607507
Seriously though. Under what circumstances is it ok? Or is it bad manners generally? I've always thought it was the latter, but someone was just talking about doing it yesterday.
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>>158609148
Being a beggar is pretty much always bad manners
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>>158597571
>they are going to rocket past everyone in research
Would you like to buy some research boosters to help with that?

Lightless lanterns aren't available quite yet, but will be in a couple of turns.
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What are some good uses for W3 F2 mages under water?
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>>158611626
manifest vitrol jomon, it's pretty obvious
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>>158611901
Shit that would be pretty good. Any uses for them in combat? I cant see shit. Kings of the deep by the way.
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>>158612078
they are amazing units, acid spewing tough lions that are also ethereal and won't run. only downside is no scaling so you need a lot of mages to do it
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>>158612170
No I mean for kings of the deep with fire. I wish I had some acid lions right now.
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>>158612262
Unfortunately UW combat is shiiiiit.
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>>158612583
Although the sight of 8 water elementals raping 200 indy merman was pretty sweet I must agree with you. Now I just have to deal with Ys and their fucking N9 mistforming kight bastards.
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>>158612262
nothing too fancy desu, Boil to cute evo, summon flame jellies which are good tanks against mind blasters and MR negate attacks,

Honestly I would just treat them as WE summoners
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Where muh Agartha bros at?

OLM LIVES MATTER
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>rush to voice of Tiamat instead of site searching because UW so have shitty gem income
>find no sites anyway with voice of tiamat
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>158615675
>rush to voice of Tiamat instead of site searching
This is a bad idea. Sitesearch with what you have then apply sitesearching spells on top.
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>>158617227
The point is that There wasn't anything there anyway. And it was my first time trying that plan out.
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>>158617412
Also monster fish.
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>>158617412
Try casting the D N and S site searching spells.
You can even cast them from the land into the water.

In my experience, W N S and D are the best site searching spells, but of course that depends on national paths.
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voice of tiamat is when you make fun of somebody's nerd voice on the playground
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>>158618494
I was only trying it out in the first place because I was atlantis. Unfortunately I was MA atlantis.
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>>158607375
Soliciting? Hell no.
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what are you doing beige
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>>158617227
How does the math actually work out on this?
Let's say you have to search every province with 3 mages to get a decent coverage of paths. That delays the arrival of Voice of Tiamat by 3 mages' research scores multiplied by the number of UW provinces you have multiplied by 2 assuming no wasted movements, since they have to move and then search, which then costs you the elemental gem income of those provinces during that delay time, in exchange you get a trickle of steadily building gem income from the lower level sites found by your mages as they go around searching. It's probably worth it to do all the manual searching first if you have a small number of UW provinces or a small number of W2+ mages compared to mages with crosspaths.
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>>158617227
sounds stupid to be honest since everything is MM1 UW. Voice of tailment is despicably good on rlyeh since they don't get native A or F outside heroes. I agree independent site searching should be done to but only to cover those loose paths like D/S/N
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=RubbaDubDubNoobsandScrubs
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>>158619265
>>158617227
ALSO you wanna rush conj 5 anyway so you can start spamming UW elementals
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>>158619379
>Malakal has already joined
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>>158619379
I'll join if you link to the other mod & explain how to set them up for just that game.
t. noob
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>>158619623
user/appdata/roaming/dominions4/mods

put the unzipped shit in there, should be a .dm file and then a folder for the mod.

google dom4 worthy heroes 1.1 to get that file.

make sure they're enabled when making your pankoman
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>>158619737
5.5 not 1.1
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>>158619952
>>158619737
Whichever one of you is the game admin, please list the version number...
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>>158619983
5.5

link added to game page
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>>158620040
Cheers, submitting a scrub-a-dub-dub pankoman
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>>158620448
its rubba dub dub

step up
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>>158619031
Voice of Tiamat is conj5, sitesearching with a handful of mages won't make it take much longer.

In the meanwhile you get income from sites early.

>Let's say you have to search every province with 3 mages to get a decent coverage of paths.
How many nations actually need to do this? Most can get a decent coverage with two or less.

>>158619265
>everything is MM1 UW
Do you often use more than MM1 when sitesearching on land?

You're going to be stopping in every province anyway.
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>>158619379
I would like to join as Xibalba with an innovative strategy, is that okay?
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>>158620761
scrub a dub dub three noobs in a tub
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>>158620932
sure i think everyone is running some meme strat anyways
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>>158621021
The steam forums for Dominions depress me.
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>>158620907
Consider that my only mages are expensive seers of the deep or slightly less expensive but slow to recruit kings of the deep.
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i have 12 confirmed wins and will be joining blubbagubgub as vanheim
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>>158621903
We already know that you were the first one in
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to all our friends out there
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>>158622492
I am glad that we are friends =)
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>>158621269
MA Atlantis is probably the worst possible case for sitesearching UW, so plans for them are going to be a lot different to other nations.

With MA Atlantis specifically, I'd still start searching with a couple of seers early. S2 sitesearch is needed after tiamat anyway, and W3 will feed you more water gems to make up for those you burn on tiamat. A full sitesearch is likely too expensive if you're going to tiamat everything anyway.
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Remeber that the Raven of the Underworld is also hungry for more!
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>>158624138
I wish I had saved the photo which had that guy saying he was having fun when his burd got killed in the arena
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>>158624138
>>158624328
>tfw didn't transfer my okuu collection when I set up my new computer
I still have the hard drive, at least.
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Guess who's fucking popular? That's right, it's motherfucking Hinnom again.

Okay, sort of anyway. Specifically i've been asked to give a ranking of the nations by province, mainly because Hinnom is predictably still being all huge and shit. So here we go:
1. Hinnom, and with a fair lead.
2. Ulm
3. Agartha, recently overtaking Riley (sort of)
4. Pelagia, again recently overtaking Riley (sort of)
5. Riley, who is in fact fucking nosediving holy shit what is happening to him.
6. Therodos, to my surprise.
7. Arcosephale, but frankly his province count hasn't changed in a while.
8. Vanheim, who has had his territory fluctuating a bit but seems to have ended up pretty much back where it was if not maybe slightly ahead. And since i'm currently fighting him for the sake of protecting Helheim, whom he attacked, this saddens me a bit, although it seems to be fuelled by his eating of the AI Niefelheim.

Anyway, RE: Hinnom, he's entered Asia in force but it seems as if he's been forced to pause by very heavy chokepointing. His routes into both Kailasa and Agartha are literally a single province connection so i'm going to guess he isn't willing to take such an obvious path until temp scales change enough to let him use river or mountain crossings.

Oh, addendum. Whilst compiling this I took a look at his shit and couldn't quite figure out where he's getting his current gains from. Then I spotted pic related. He's turning south-east asia into a buffet.
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>>158625123
Reminder that in addition to his on-graphs advantage, he also has the highest blood slave income by a large margin
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>>158625123
Reminder that ulm is the threat because he has capitals or something.
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>>158625123
So who all can help fight him?
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>>158625123
RIley is nose diving because he's fighting a losing war between me and Theodoro
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>>158625268
Clearly Sauro is the true threat. He didn't put himself on the list so he must be hiding some advantage,
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>>158625495
Honestly, his losses are WAY more than the gains of you two. I'm guessing someone else is eating him somewhere, but haven't checked closely.
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>>158625591
I wouldn't be surprised if agartha is nibbling any UW cave connections riley might have had
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>>158625584
Actually, give me a second to figure out what number I am in the province ranking. It's a bit depressingly low.

Here we go, number 14 out of the 21 remaining. Actually could be worse, although at that point in the graphs it's really tightly clustered.
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>>158625123
Kailasa actually decided to start this war, for some reason.
If he had been smart he would have negotiated a partitioning of Lanka, and try to maneuver me over to the clusterfuck of Machaka/Berytos before stabbing me in the back like a smart monkey.
Instead he did whatever it was he did. Also, I find it hilarious that provinces is the graph chosen and not something like research, where Ulm was last seen blowing everyone (sans Pelagia) out of the damn water.

I'm also REALLY surprised any of the land nations are bigger than R'lyeh/Pelagia.
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>>158625591
Having talked to R'lyeh, the only other person attacking him besides Therados and Pelagia is the throne of Bones.

REEEEEEEEEEE Throne of Bones LEAVE!!!
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>>158625123
Well, looks like I have some catch up to do to contest this game effectively.

I don't border Nicknight, but will be happy to support his neighbors in whatever efforts they want to make in his direction, and will start making efforts of my own as soon as possible.
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>>158626134
I shouldn't post this without payment but fuck it, it's interesting and it's so unsurprising I doubt anyone would want to pay me for it anyway.
Amusingly, but maybe predictably, Arco of all people has overtaken Pelagia at this point. Only very recently, but Pelagia is kind of losing momentum there whilst Arco is gaining RP at a very high rate from the graph. Which is again not exactly surprising because fucking Arcosephalian Mystics I guess.
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>>158625123
What map is this? Looks cool.
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>>158626384
it's because I had to remove lots of my mages to go into the battle line rather then staying home to research, all rlyeh had to do was maintain peace and we could have researched the world but he blew it
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>>158626341
Also, please contact me for specifics.
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>>158626341
>Vanheim/Sauro/Helheim/AI Nief locked in death battle
>TC recovering from hilariously bad pretender choice, eating scraps of Lanka/Yomi
>Berytos/Machaka in a death battle
>Ermor and Arco trying plan R to take Pangaea's capital
>Agartha playing whack-a-mole with Abysian raiders while trying taking Abysia's capital
>Ulm and Agartha trying to sneak taking MesoAmerica while no one's looking
>Kailasa already fighting Hinnom
>Water nations doing water nation things.

Did I get it right?
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>>158626309
That's...weird. Okay, apologies to the three involved but fuck it, it's my global if I want to post stuff so there, harrumph.

Basically i'm either misreading this badly or it doesn't quite add up.
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>>158626826
It shows that R'lyeh attacked Pelagia, Therados (who was smaller at the beginning) joined on Pelagia's side. Pelagia recovered and is now slightly bigger than pre-war, while most of R'lyeh's losses have been Therados' gains.
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>>158626745
In my case, it's me and Helheim (vanheim attacked Helheim and I decided to defend my neighbour because fuck it, he never caused me any trouble at all) vs Vanheim, and also AI Nief isn't doing much except getting eaten by Vanheim on the side to give him GAINS. Unfortunately it's a 2 on 1 and we're still the underdog here, depressingly. I'm going to blame it on the fact that I have no fucking clue what i'm doing.

>>158626994
yeah, but Riley's losses appear to be much higher than even the combined gains of both of them. Therodos, over the last while, has gained three and a half bars on that graph. Pelagia has gained...kind of fuck-all. He lost some then regained it, is maybe half a bar up overall? Whilst Riley dropped from his peak by nearly 6 bars. There's someone else nibbling heavily.
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>>158627141
Speaking from what I can see just from the ulmish coast, Riley has lost at least two provinces to the boner throne that he hasn't retaken (and one of my scouts sees another).

Riley may have had stuff in the caves that was eaten by AI mictlan, IDK.
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>>158627141
R'lyeh has lost 4, not 6, bars. You have to count from the outset of the war, not after R'lyeh's first strike.

Otherwise Pelagia is up 2 bars, not 1
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>>158543061
Final reminder: A little over six hours until I close the poll. Although, with 30 responses, I'm already pretty happy.
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>>158628151
Reminder to change your vote to support redheaded lesbian elves if you are
1.) heterosexual male attracted to women
2.) homosexual showing solidarity
3.) woman who is actually a heterosexual male attracted to women
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Bump.
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>>158604790
>>158605567
You'd better be afraid. I just found a site that lets me recruit bats.

Underwater.

Meaning it doesn't actually do anything.
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Mari, will you be landing on Vanarus fort in 9 again?
I don't want it but I need to know if i need to safeguard myself against random AI bullshit.


Also Abysia is sieging Ys throne in 15 which would put him up to 12 throne points out of 15.
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>>158632878
Will it work if you cast Thetis' ?
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>>158632878
Great, Gray has The Aquabats
Now no one will be safe from his new wave sound and theatrical live performances.
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So quickness allows 2 attack moves right?

With a weapon that allows multiple attacks, such as wave breaker for instance, that would allow for 6 attacks total right?
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>>158636768
Yes, but remember it also means you take twice the fatigue since you're acting twice. Also, a weapon with multiple attacks must target the same square with all of its attacks but quickness lets you attack different squares, one with each action.
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>>158633706

Mr Japanese Goburin your scouting coverage is lacking I fear.
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>>158607375
>>158609148
Literally who gives a fuck as long as it wins you the game there are no limits.
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>>158617227
That's fucking retarded. Tiamat costs what, 10W plus a mage turn? 99% of sites are path 2 or less. Let's say you sitesearch with a A2W2 beforehand, then cast voice of Tiamat. What you've done now is use 10W (+mage turn) for F3+/E3+ searching, because A3+/W3+ sites are basically nonexistant so half of Tiamat was wasted. So to sitesearch one province you used 3 mage turns (move and search + Tiamat caster) and 10W gems.

Save the 2 mage turns and just cast Tiamat, unless you have really good magic diversity then just sitesearch like normal.
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>>158637380
>Yes, but remember it also means you take twice the fatigue since you're acting twice. Also, a weapon with multiple attacks must target the same square with all of its attacks but quickness lets you attack different squares, one with each action.

Using undead chassis, so fatigue isn't an issue. Didn't know multiple attack weapons all hit the same square, thanks

>finding blood keep in a chokepoint

oh my
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What to do with b/s mages?
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>>158640053
Send horror.
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>>158640053
You have them use communions instead of sabbath to join communion/sabbath combos so that you'll save on blood slaves and they'll save on fatigue.
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>>158640154
Seems rather limited in effectiveness?

>>158640371
Yeah, but communion for what I suppose is what I'm getting at. They don't seem very useful
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>>158640857
Your dick is limited in effectiveness. Play some MP games.
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>>158640857
t. rejakor.

>>158640882
Pls no he stales every time.
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>>158640982
Funniest thing is, SH was useful even before the patch, so Rejakor's thread was really stupid either way.
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>>158638664
>What you've done now is use 10W (+mage turn) for F3+/E3+ searching, because A3+/W3+ sites are basically nonexistant so half of Tiamat was wasted.
That half of tiamat was never valuable. All it saves you is the cost of sending an A2W2 mage over there (i.e. basically nothing, A2W2 mage turns are dirt cheap).

You could have sent a W2A2 mage over 10 turns ago and got extra gem income while researching up to conj5. Instead you're throwing away those gems to save a handful of cheap mage turns so you can make tiamat a tiny bit more efficient.
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>>158641647
By my experience, A and F are the less common elemental magic sites to find uw. I find a lot of W and E really often, but i have to be thankful if after sitesearching it all i have 1-2 air income or 1-2 fire income.
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>>158641732
You don't need to find many sites to make it worthwhile. A single site found early on can end up being 10+ gems which you'd be missing out on if you waited for tiamat.
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>>158640857
>Communion for what
In astral, you should be able to easily reach stellar cascades, soul slay, and possibly light of the northern star. That last one will let your unchained mages cast cascades and reduce the fatigue for the others. Blood gives you hellbind heart so you can steal enemy units, reinvorgation to refresh your chain, and life for life so you can take out high MR fighters. Blood/astral for cheap is a pretty nasty combo once you get deep into the research tree.
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>>158640857

I am keeping blog at bay for a lot of turns now with mere send horror raids, he is afraid of leaving his forts.
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>>158640982
>t. rejakor.

What?
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>>158642365
Rejakor made a thread on desura calling horrors useless.

If I remember right, he claimed they often lost to 1PD (maybe it was 10PD?). That was obviously wrong, and people quickly disproved it.
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>>158642507
What else would you expect from the guy who cries that "AI cheat"?
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>>158642365
>>158642507
https://web.archive.org/web/20150124033752/http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/horrors-they-kinda-suck-dont-useem
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>>158642634
Doesn't it?
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>>158642967
Does it matter?
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>>158642667
>So, after playing LA Aby a few times, the nation whose national crosspath is pretty much the only one that can cast Send Horror or Call Horror with any sort of repeatability
How can a person be so wrong in the very first sentence?
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>>158642967
Not at normal levels (aka what you see in multiplayer when people go AI).
There's a % bonus with difficulty but otherwise ai doesn't cheat.
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>>158642634
I thought that was okofire?
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Don't bully Rejakor, please. He is a cool guy al around and really skilled, I'll never get why are you so mean to me.
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The /domg/ VGL7 roster poll is over! Thanks to all the people who responded. The final tally is as follows:
27 Forester Bob
26 erf snek
25 Quadbless Mictlan
24 2000 ghosts in a fort
22 Giant Man-Eating Jews
21 Mage Support
21 t. Malakal
20 Useless Kick
18 Heroic Obesity
17 100 PD
17 Burden of Time
17 In That Case I'll Be Going AI Too
17 itdepends
17 Pankoman
16 Illfraud
16 Ulm - Waiting For Turn File
15 Diplomonster
15 >stabbed by a methhead
14 Angry Stone Face
14 Remove Elves
14 Turnbullying
12 6 Months of SP
12 Bogus the Troll
--Cutoff Line--
10 Astral 1
9 Innovative Strategy
8 Muuch Muuch
7 Bane Lord
5 Red-headed lesbian elves underwater
6 Renowned Harvard Mage
5 Illuminati
4 Thursday
3 DomgNationsGen - Hosting delayed by 24 hours
2 memegames

Leaving the squad are Astral 1, Muuch Muuch, Bane Lord, Thursday and memegames. Joining are Mage Support, t. Malakal, In That Case I'll Be Going AI Too and Diplomonster, with Bogus the Troll being a rejoining ex-player. Our gold players will be Forester Bob and erf snek, while Quadbless Mictlan and Giant Man-Eating Jews are our silvers and 2000 ghosts in a fort will stay as our starting GK. Now I have to figure out how the team should be set up, time for some testing I guess.

If you want to help me out but are too lazy to run test games or look for 3D models to stick onto our players' heads, I'd appreciate suggestions for pictures and images for the new players on the roster(look at http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//domg/ if you don't know what I'm talking about).
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>>158645623
damn, my favourite Innovative Strategy is left behind.
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>>158645718
It got added in late, sadly. If it had been in from the start it would've probably done better.
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>>158645315
>He is a cool guy AI around
fixed
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>>158645623
Based Forester Bob
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Trying to pick up MA Pythium, but I can't really get the expansion to work without an awake pretender.
Vestals die too quickly without a big bless, Hdras seems overpriced, Emerald Guard cost too many resources even with P3, leaving only the regular Principes, which are okay, but not really great.

Any tips?
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>>158645295
okofire only did it in steamchat, rejakor on desura
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>>158646690
what i usually do is:
Turn 1 recruit some guys like the oens in your starting army. Then get one or two vestals and burn gold with a hydra.
Tuyrn 2 one more hydra, as many vestals as you can get, and the resources go for principes.
Also get a H1 commander so he doesnt die to poison (assuming you are running N9).

Turn 3 attack with those two hydras and vestals, maybe wait for a third hydra next turn.
Then ignore hydras and vestals forever and get principes only.

I have found out that this helps smoothering my recruiting curve, since you wont get armies of 10 principes easily early on. However I have been told it's not realiable, and I admit hydras can die if you dont position them well.
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Game: VanillaCataclysm
Turn number 16
Next turn due: 03:49 GMT on Saturday October 29th

Bishopric of Brown 2h file received
Margraviate of Green 2h file received
Emirate of Grey 2h file received
Principality of Pink Waiting for 2h file
Beydom of Purple 2h file received
Empire of Red 2h file received
Khanate of White 2h file received
Autocracy of Aquamarine 2h file received
Bureucracy of Beige 2h file received
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>>158646690
Vestals are useless. Hydras are vastly overpriced too (better in summod, though).
Your best bet is to just get some Prod scales and use Principes/Hastatus, maybe with some Velites in the mix to increase headcount. Or get an awake.
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Not really sure how to play EA Riley. In LA, you get freespawn commanders to cart around your insane magical chaff and amphibious non-mage mindblaster commanders to cart around your amphibious mindblasters. In EA, do you have to use your mages to get those polypal spawns from point A to point B? And since the mindblasters from your cap are UW only, you have to take a land province and fort it to start building amphibian mindblasters - how do you do this early game when you're limited to low morale chaff?
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>>158647731
you get thralls, thralls trample. Have slave guardians eat the initial attacks and the thralls trample the bitches
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>>158647731
Are you playing with summod or vanilla?
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=RubbaDubDubNoobsandScrubs
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>>158649046
rubbed and dubbed
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>>158647507
Thanks. I like scales heavy builds more than awake pretenders, so I'll just go P3, get a hydra a turn (with summod) and get the regular Ermor guys.
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>>158649590
thanks malakal
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>>158649912

Even players that dont call themselves scrubs are no match for me, why would I bother with real newbies?... kidd...
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>beige has warriors of the five elements

cool. i got burning ones in a wasteland province and this guy gets the chink meatgrinders
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>>158649046
What's a noob/scrub? I've won 3 PBEMs, out of more than I can remember, do I qualify?
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>>158650878
No you haven't
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>>158650878
>with 0 wins and a bad 'tude
Says it right there.
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>>158649824
Velites are not bad expanders if you have production due to their javelins (use them) and Tower Shields
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>>158647315
>However I have been told it's not realiable, and I admit hydras can die if you dont position them well.
There is no way to position hydras well.
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>>158650878
>literally says 0 wins
>"hai guize I have 3 wins can I join?"
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>>158651380
>>158651614
>reading
Ain't my fault I'm American.
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>>158651679
Well he has the bad tude at least.
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>started my first PBEM today
I am eager, like a 14 year old taken to bed by his 16 year old babysitter
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForNoobs
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Vae victis.
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>>158655407
DEUTCHLAND UBER ALLES
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>>158655407
hey remember when i was messaging you about invading ulm before it was too late?
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>>158626403
Archaea
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>>158655969
t. leading player in the game
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>>158656136
no its fine

just acquire another cap. go ahead. /domg/ isnt going to do jack shit
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>>158656406
You're not just winning. You're winning by a lot. Trying to diplomonster a dogpile on the #2 player is just tryharding. Just have fun, laugh evilly, and say "You fools! You cannot challenge me!" etc
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>>158657285
this is low-level persuasion

your persuasion skills are poor

not everyone can attack each player, but ulm's neighbors should definitely conspire against ulm asap
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Do your turn Jomon you fucking weeb.
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>>158657469
I'm not even in your game dude. I'm just commenting based on what's posted.
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>>158658071
thank you for admitting you don't really know anything
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>>158657796
Don't worry I've still got 12 hours
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>tfw you're behind on research and find a sages guild
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Game: VanillaCataclysm
Turn number 16
Next turn due: 03:49 GMT on Saturday October 29th

Bishopric of Brown 2h file received
Margraviate of Green 2h file received
Emirate of Grey 2h file received
>Principality of Pink Waiting for 2h file
Beydom of Purple 2h file received
Empire of Red 2h file received
Khanate of White 2h file received
Autocracy of Aquamarine 2h file received
Bureucracy of Beige 2h file received
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>>158657796
Okay.
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>>158658178
Did you know hinnom is winning? By quite a bit? Because he is.

t. The one guy that can actually fact check this.
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Reminder Hinnom in AT is nicknight
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>>158658582
magic duel

leaving S pretender chassis at S1 is a mistake
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>>158658582
Also this.
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>10 PD vs 750 gold
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>>158658667
yazad of sky isn't a pretender chassis senpai, still a good victory
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>>158658667
That's a summoned unit, not pretender.
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>>158658178
I dunno dude, I think it's obvious that you're trying to diplomance your way to a win even when you're in the lead. That this is now considered the best way to play is just irksome for me.

Like, this is just anecdotally something I've seen in games more of recently. If someone invades you, that person's the BIGGEST GLOBAL THREAT and EVERYONE MUST FIGHT THEM. If you're invading someone, it's because THEY'RE THE SCARIEST LATE GAME THREAT THAT MUST BE PUT DOWN. And then even when you're the largest, it's "Well, actually, Nation Y has this distinct advantage making them a bigger threat!" or "My research/bloodhunting/primary mage is really inefficient!"

It's like, why do you need to always be trying to diplo all the time? Can't you just chill with it when you're already winning?

Anyways, you're right, I'm not in your game and I could be dead wrong. I don't think I am, though, in part because there's been stuff posted all over the place showing that you're winning while playing a blood nation with rec anywhere SCs and I remember you posting some absolutely batshit stupid level of lies about Ulm earlier ("his bloodhunting is probably better than mine because he has, uh lamia queens!").

Sorry for the rant. This always-on tryhard diplo nonsense bothers me, but you're not the only one that does it.
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>>158659039
>Like, this is just anecdotally something I've seen in games more of recently. If someone invades you, that person's the BIGGEST GLOBAL THREAT and EVERYONE MUST FIGHT THEM
thanks for your sympathy
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>>158659039
>spazzing out like this

when someone finishes taking a bunch of caps and starts moving into new territories i'd say his neighbors are right to warn each other and cooperate. especially since most of them arent even in the position to attack hinnom
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>>158659939
Aren't you Hinnom?
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>>158660230
no im just woke
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>>158659039
Diplomancing is just part of the game as far as I'm concerned. A big part.
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>>158659939
But this isn't his neighbors warning eachother to cooperate. It's the game leader, who is also moving into other territories and borders several of the same neighbors that they need to invade the no. 2 player instead.
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So is it a good thing that Ulm took over Ermor or a bad thing?
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>>158655407
I warned you about Ulm (I guess he decided to cede his Meso-American ambitions to Agartha though, or at least curb them).
>>158658408
You say this, and that you can fact check it, but considering a total lack of graphs even I don't believe I'm that ahead. And for all those saying people should watch for Hinnom - fair, but that applies to neighbors. And the only neighbors Ulm and I share atm are Sauromatia (and Agartha, but neither of us really want to try fighting #3 atm I'd imagine).
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>>158661338
either way it's germans or the jews, I can't imagine a worse fate
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>>158658290
Just kill pink so that you can stop bitching about it in thread
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>>158661457
No one seems to know where the fuck he is.
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>>158661338
Well, considering Ulm is choosing to eat neighbors based on who *isn't* adjacent to me (Ermor and I don't connect at all) . . . let's just say he wants to be bigger, not deal with the so called 'Rephaite' problem.

This is domg after all - you don't win by trying to stop snowballers with coalitions, that never fucking works. You just try to snowball harder, faster, STRONGER.
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>>158661651
jesus christ get scouts you fucking niggers, cast eyes of god, anything
>>
in honor of our game finally started I will be sharing periodically lovely clips of the Limmy show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfKhDiUNOG0
here we have a typical example of t. pan calling into adventure call
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>>158661457
>implying he can
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>>158661754
>cast eyes of god
Unless your pretender can do it good fucking luck.
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>>158661729
Uh, I have no neighbors who connect to you, unless you want to count sauro's 1 province connection to both of us.
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>>158661932
>>158661806
I just want Pink to die, or for them to stop bitching about it in thread
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>>158662043
What's this thread for if not bitching and bullying?
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>>158663453
Diplomonstering.
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>>158663453
In depth discussion of strategy.

and MEMES
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>>158649046
I almost one once, does that count?
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>>158651614
I'll use an innovative strategy.
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Guys I found a picture of Malakal!
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>>158663754
As long as you didn't win you're cool.
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>>158662003
Thought Agartha was connected to you by cave-way at this point.

But yes, I did call out Sauro, didn't I?
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>>158657285
>Just have fun, laugh evilly, and say "You fools! You cannot challenge me!" etc

Don't do that. It just demoralizes people and causes them to not bother fighting you (apparently).

Also, because no one snowballed Antiquis like I snowballed Der Gotter, the game will NEVER fucking end. 45 throne points needed to win. FORTY FUCKING FIVE.

Sweet jesus who did this?
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>>158655407
>tfw teutoberg wald
>tfw adrianople
>crusades when???
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>>158665284
AI mictlan is dicking around down there. Sometimes we border eachother, sometimes it hits a cave province with 100 moon warriors and random blood summons. I don't have enough of a presence down there to do more than lock them up, given how far that is from my power base. Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that AI mictlan is competitive in the unterhinnom blood power rankings.

>Sauro
I'm not gonna invade Sauro. Like Agartha, we have a one province border, which is awkward for us non-native sc, non flying, non sailing nations . Also, his war with vanheim is CUTE.
>Field an army of 200 mages and 300 cavalry
>Take a province
>Oh shit I forgotted gems
>I-I'll be back!
CUTE
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>>158667104
Actually, I, uh...I forgot my Banner of the Northern Star. Like I literally forgot to bring it with the army. Whoops.
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>>158663821
Please don't do this.

The t. Malakal thing is funny because it's calling anyone that diplomonsters Malakal. It's something related to game behavior that we've observed. Calling someone a nerd or loser IRL is just stupid, since we're all autists here.
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>>158667338
>I had to call off my invasion because I forgot to pack everything I needed
CUTE

Telling Ulm to pick on this nice boy is simply criminal. Shame!
>>
How do you download summod 7.1?
I went to the main Summod thing but it just gave me 7.0.
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>>158667751
I'm a pro Sauro player, honest! This isn't my first game as them I swear!

(oh jesus christ i have no idea what i'm even doing in this game except for being a pay-per-view reporter)
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>>158667969
Never mind I got it. Its just needlessly awkward.
>>
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Eriu 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Ashdod 2h file received
Jotunheim 2h file received
Machaka 2h file received
Man 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
Vanarus 2h file received
Sceleria 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received
>Xibalba Waiting for 2h file

muuch muuch
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>>158667338
So, is that why your army is on my border? Or, well, it would be if rivers weren't still rivers instead of iceblocks.
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>>158668874
Xibalba, play your turn if it's not too muuch to handle.
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>>158668874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oogJcFy90cI
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>>158669265
Wait, is it? I hadn't really checked who it was nearest, but basically it's on my nearest labbed fort to where I was when I went 'wait, fuck'.
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>>158669326
For that pun, our nations are now at war.
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>>158669265
I'm sure Sauro isn't about to retaliate against you for publicly suggesting his neighbor eat him.
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>>158671372
I think it might be safe to say that my ability to 'retaliate' against him is roughly zero given my actual military potential.
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>>158671483
FUCK HIM UP
>>
but who will win the scrub bowl?

Game: RubbaDubDubNoobsandScrubs
Turn number 1
Next turn due: 18:11 GMT on Sunday October 30th

Don't join unless you're a FUXKING scrub/noob with 0 wins and a bad 'tude

Fomoria 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Machaka Waiting for 2h file
R'lyeh Waiting for 2h file
Yomi 2h file received
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>>158672073
R'lyeh or Fomoria
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>>158672247
alright time to send my snek to visit
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>>158672073
Kangz.
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>>158672314
That's an easy way to lose a snake
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>>158672247
I hear fomor druids are what you use to get some good T-strikes going but they only seem to have A2, how do you boost them up to A3?
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>>158672073
>Fomoria
>Hinnom
>Kailasa
>Machaka
>R'lyeh
>Yomi

one of these nations is not like the others
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>>158672385
Storm + Stormpower.
>>
>UW nation
>rampaging roaches

time to bully squids
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>>158672425
Not going to lie, I intentionally didn't choose a water nation. I don't want to end up in a knife fight with Riley. Instead I chose big guys the nation!
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>>158672453
Thanks Anon.
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>>158663916
Might join after the weekend then.
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>>158672863
Ur too slow.
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>>158671483
Lukas, my gf took her labtop and can't take my turns for 24h.
You know what to do.


t. Carlix
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>>158674601
Didn't mean to quote.
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>>158674601
carlix tell your gf to dump you
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>>158674601
granted you damn normie
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>>158672497
pls don't bully
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>>158682743
What a jew.
>>
I want to learn a new nation.
Want to try a nation that needs a rainbow and has some cool national summons.

I have been checking Caelum, but Shinu seems cool too.

Any advice?
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here's a twitter account all you meanies should follow! https://twitter.com/antibullyranger
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>>158684009
MA Ermor
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>>158684321
I said rainbow, not tribless.
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>>158684519
Quad bless is a kind of rainbow.
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>>158684519
Don't be a bitch, rainbows are for nerds. You want a bless.
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>>158684519
It's totally possible to run a legit rainbow lich Ermor.

The correct answer is Lemuria, though, which is the only nation that should ALWAYS run rainbows.
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>>158684160
/domg/ has literally only ever bullied people who deserve it.
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>>158684809
>Lemuria, though, which is the only nation that should ALWAYS run rainbows.

INNOVATIVE FULL SCALES LEMURIA DOG
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>>158684956
You called? =)
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>>158685087
DO TURN
O

T
U
R
N
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>>158684009
Atlantis?
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>>158685617
Sorry, not at my computer. Give me like 3 hours and I'll get it done for you =)
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>>158684809
What about Caelum? You need some paths for your nationals.
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>>158685695
Only LA Atlantis can even argue for a rainbow, and even then I don't think it's particularly good.
>>
Mentoring disc2 game when? Or regular disc2.
Disc3 games are way too big and want to play with my senpai.
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>>158685853
I'm not going to say absolutely never, because it's possible to take an awake researcher to rush Conj/Evo 5, but it's certainly not an 'always' rainbow nation.

You can get the paths you need for your evil summons on an awake azi.
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>>158685856
Why not EA Atlantis? Their troops are strong so they dont really need a bless or an awake pretender and their mage are powerful and have a lot of coverage.
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>>158685972
I'd be down for playing on a team with my beloved kohai
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>>158685972
Sign me up famalam. I am both a scrub and am intrested in trying a disciples game for once.
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>>158686102
Rainbows provide massively backloaded power. Atlantis is a midgame nation, so not getting juice out of your pretender until year 3 is a big deal.

They have voice of tiamat, so you don't want your rainbow for site searching. The only diversity you need is S2 for a booster, which you can easily fit on an awake, bless, or full-scales build.

The only reason to take diversity on Atlantis is if Solar Eclipse isn't enough and you want the big Darkness spell, but I've tried using it and you simply do not have the D income to summon up the D casters until very late in the game. Meanwhile, using a ghost king or lich or whatever as your combat caster is risky and awkward.

tl;dr it's possible and can help, but it's less good than other pretender stuff and I'd rather have an awake or a bless
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>>158685729
'kay
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>>158686606
kokythiads
>>
So we have 6 hours until Xib stales. I guess sum1 will get a chance to join this game after all.
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>>158686929
>giving sum1 bats in a newbie game
wew
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>>158687052
It's MA. He'd get toads.
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>>158687708
t. nuclearmonkee
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>>158686606
But the extra research tho, frees up your king so they can go fuck people up.
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>>158688182
If you want more research, take an awake and get more provinces to get income and build mages
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>>158687052
it's an i n t e r m e d i
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>>158688620
>
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>>158687708
Are there forests? Caves? He gets bats.
>>
Pelagia, I just want you to know that you won't win any games without actually talking to people. Also, I understand that you want to abuse that bug in ME with head armor counting as body armor, but your fishes are not immune to storm, and they will die to t-strike spam like the ones before, and sending an army without mage support is just silly at this point. At least say some witty things or something, otherwise the game becomes pretty boring.
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>>158688718
>you won't win any games without actually talking to people
What about no diplo games? :^)
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>>158688718
>>158688826
rekt
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>>158688826
haha
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>>158688704
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>>158688826
BTFO

>>158688718
Just go AI now.
>>
UW nations don't win in general, unless Nick plays them. But Nick would win even if he played indies.
>>
My turn may be delayed do to me suddenly being suddenly unable to download anything for some unknown reason.
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>>158689123
I tried winning a game as Oceania in a blitz.
Didn't work. I'd rather play the indies.
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>>158689406
Nick get into the chat
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>>158689123
I won as EA R'lyeh too ;_;
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>>158690091
Scrub games don't count :^)
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>>158690562
Fuck you Cirno.
>>
>>158686114
>>158686254
I want a disciple game too, but could it be MA?
>>
Is community clash ded?
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>>158685972
I have completely no idea what it means, but a disciple game would be nice.
>>
>>158691705
Someone said he was going to make a disciple game pairing newbies with non-newbies.

Disc2 means teams with 2 players, disc3 means teams with 3 players.

I would make it beginner + intermediate, but no malakals allowed.
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>>158692458
Make it and the nerds will come.
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>>158691687
I'll start it whenever I get a map.
>>
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForNoobs
Shilling because the admin won't. Needs one player. I know there are enough noobs around, because the other game filled up quickly.
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>>158695691
I'll pop in once I've made a pretender. I have an innovative strategy for EA Arcoscephale
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>>158685972

use my map

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2795
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>>158697261
What about UW nations?
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>>158697470

no allowed :S

still there are enough land nations.
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>>158697151
Thanks luv
>>
Its been ten months and the only person I've seen is Abysia, where are all the rest of you guys?
>>
>>158697151
Hah. I've already innovated all their strategies.
>>
I did a double turn friends =)
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>>158697865
Eleven months whatever.
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>>158697865
I see you.
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>>158698201
Oh yeah? Where am I?
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>>158697893
Ha, but have you tried the innovative strategy of going with an imprisoned, no scales, no paths 1 dominion Crone?
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>>158698443
The good old stealth domkill build.
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>>158697865
All I see is Lemuria. Lemuria, as far as the eye can see.
And as of this turn, Agartha.
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>>158700204
You'll meet another player soon, Mari
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>>158700204
I don't know exactly how big Lemuria is, but I suspect the answer is "very".
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>>158701540
At least 18-20 provinces. They're fuckhuge.
Now imagine what happens once they really get the undeadspam going.
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>>158701540
He has like 4 heroes anyway.
>>
>>158701725
>>158701737
Yes! My early game has been quite good =)

So far, things are going exactly as I have expected! Ghosts expand quite well, and soon I will be able to summon researchers! In the meantime, I am building many crossbows =)
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>>158701540
Lemuria confirmed sightings UW
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>>158701917
Better fucking not be.
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>>158701917
I am not actually underwater yet =(

My only coastal province borders many Amber Clan.
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>>158701917
I doubt that, unless it's 108. His capital is at 118, in the centre of the landmass.
>>
Why is Lemuria listed as Unexpected Nation on the Llama, anyway? Some Summod bug?
>>
>>158702256
Because you won't ever see him coming.
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>>158702256
It's been a thing, not a summod thing.
>>
>innovative scales lemuria actually working
You all had better fuck him up before my theorycrafting turns out wrong.
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While lemuria is here lewd tribute please
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>>158702416
So what should I be researching once I am able to make researchers efficiently? I'm thinking of going for Frighten first because it will let me use my mages in a fight in an emergency. Thaumaturgy can also be useful once I get some lizard shamans.

I suppose that Enchantment 5 would work to skelly spam in front of my crossbows, but that feels superfluous. Then again, I don't seem to be producing as many ghosts as the memes would say. Maybe I just need a lot of forts or something.

Anyways, Lemuria has always had good expansion, so it should come as no surprise. =) I will simply be able to use that expansion to fight well early on until people have some research that sets me behind.
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>>158702416
>implying he actually goes scales
I do want to fuck him up early though.
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>>158702603
Can I perhaps convince you otherwise? =)
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>>158702603
This. Don't be deceived by his innocent demeanor and his cutesy =)
This is a vile ghost disinfo campaign.
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>>158702740
Post a screenshot of your cap showing your scales. We all know you are at 118
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>>158702963
I meant more the desire to fuck me up =(
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>>158702598
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>>158703258
because necrophila is cute!

Btw ulm are you here?
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>>158702601
>it will be good once the cancer kicks in
I feel like there's a flaw in this plan.
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>>158702601
More forts and also more candles.
>>
I just found an indy province with over 400 unrest.

My only question is - what the actual fuck?
>>
>>158705606
Sites?
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>>158705606
brigade site probably
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>>158705606
Sitesearch it with a blood 3 mage. Most unrest sites are blood sites and pretty good.
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>>158705756
>>158705754
>>158705775

If I had blood, I'd search with it, but that's still a LOT of unrest. It needs either multiple devils' dens or at least 3-4 sites.
>>
Post mem.
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>>158655989
Has it been updated for Therodos? I can't tell if I found the newest version or not.
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Nick discovered that in the latest versions of Summod, Devata have the wrong battle spell. They have Ktonian Legion instead of whatever they were supposed to get. This means that they summon 15 iron corpses every turn.
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>>158709305
Anyone playing Kailasa?
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>>158709305
Also, they can cause a game crash by literally flooding their side of the map, because whereas the AI checks if there's room for their summons before casting Swarm or HoS or such, autocast doesn't. They can flood the battlefield with so many units that it overflows and crashes.
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>>158709679
As far as strategies go, that's pretty innovative
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>>158709305
>>158709679
Anyways, this is fixable. We just need to e-mail Llama a fixed version of the mod in any games that have Kailasa to disable the battlefield spell (or even correct it to whatever autocast it was supposed to have, which I suspect was supposed to be Healing Song given that that's spell ID 300 and Ktonian Legion is ID 400)
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>>158709810
or wait, not even. He just needs to replace the mod files in his server and it should automatically apply to every game.
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>>158709305
... There's a kailasa in this game.
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innovative strategies aside, what DOES one research on Lemuria?
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>>158557372
Yea I'm not the most experienced player in late game and that was a rough lesson.
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>>158711952
It's okay. Right now my 'late game' is me dicking about and not even attacking people because I have no fucking clue how to at this stage of the game, frankly, so i'm focusing more on stupid pursuits to pass the time.
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>>158709810
Ok, this worked when I implemented it- they were to cast a custom magic spell. Something has since changed, I guess. Let me work out a hot fix for you to send to llama.
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>>158659169
To be fair you are among the superpowers of this game. Good research and income. I don't think there is one nation way ahead of the others, but more like 3-5 strong nations very even in strength.

So diplomacy can help you survive and >>158659039
does not really apply here.
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>>158712137
Spell 400 should be 472. Also released version 0.72 fixing that. Don't know how or when it got changed.
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>>158659039
Wait.... So that's how you diplomance. Stay tuned /domg/, I think I have a new plan.
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>>158707903
I believe not; my version also has no Therodos.

It's possible that I'm just not up to speed.
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>>158713706
The important thing to remember is to insist that the proper metric for gauging nation strength is the one in which they are the most threatening and you are the least. So you go by capitals and number of lamia queens, not by territory, gem income, and actual recruitable bloodhunters.
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>>158713805
Here
https://my.mixtape.moe/zzcuui.zip
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>>158713884
That's great advice, thank you. It seems challenging to distract the players that have the same strengths, ie, blood nations being aware of each others late game potential. I guess there weren't any blood powers to call nick out.
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>>158711860

enchant 5, thaum 5
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>>158716183
I was told that ench 5 is a waste on Ermor since you have infinite skeletons already for anything that infinite skeletons will beat. Is that not the case for Lemuria's ghosts?
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>>158716274

Skeletons dont have MR negates weapons. And whoever gave you that advice about ermor was confused at best, horde of skeletons is a fantastic way to protect against assassins, and spamming a shitton of skeletons will win you some battles.
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>beat back an attack so hard the dude stales his turn
Feels good man.
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>>158716183
What's thaum 5 for? Terror's in Thaum 4
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>>158717147

burden of memes
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>>158717427
so what research do I get if I actually want to win instead of meme?
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>>158717008
It gets tiresome eventually when your opponents choose to chain-stale instead of playing it out. Like sure you get essentially free land with minimal losses, but it's so boring. Besides, it's fun to hold off an enemy for as long as possible even if you are destined to die, who knows? they might get backstabbed or screw up in a battle or something.
At the very least they should have the decency to go AI.
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>>158717461
Alt 6 gives you soul vortex
Evo 6 gives you wailing winds

both of these let you start thugging all your mages

Construction is pretty useful as well

and I was serious about Ench 5
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>>158717509
Its rather less fun when you are winning a war against someone else and they rush up and siege your capital when your army is away.
Nigger spent 2000 gold on fucking mermen.
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>>158717689
Wailing Winds is a thug spell?
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>>158717765


oops meant winds of death
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>>158718026
Well, they're both great. WoD is a great anti army trap spell, so I can definitely see that being a huge deal, especially since it takes Lemuria so long to get there. I usually think of 'thugging' as being when a unit bops things in melee rather than a generic solo mage thing, if that makes sense. Like a skelly spammer or an elemental summoner can definitely solo raid, but I wouldn't call either of them a thug.

Thanks for your insight, though. Do you think it's worth going Alt before you have const/gear to take advantage of soul vortex, or can naked lemurs still use it?
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>>158718212
Grands can. Lemur Thams can with a gem or a skull stave. Acolytes arent worth summoning.
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>>158718468
I meant is it worth going Alt before gear for grand lemurs.

also, with summod the acolytes are either S1D1 (nether darts!) or D2 (hordes!)
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How does using gems to bypass fatigue work exactly?

How do I know when the mage will use the gem and when he won't? How do I make him use it? And how much fatigue does it save?
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>>158719550
The first gem spent (aside from gems spent to cover a spell's cost) increases the mage's rank in the spell's primary path by 1.
All further gems spent increase rank by 1 for the purposes of fatigue calculation ONLY.

Fatigue is base fatigue / (1+ path rank / path rank required).
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>>158720025
note that the gem spending increases path level only for the purposes of being able to cast the spell. You don't get an extra AoE in shadowblast if you burn 2 gems, for instance
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>>158720161
Wrong.
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>>158720025
Also, this
>base fatigue / (1+ path rank / path rank required)
is wrong too.

Correct formula is base fatigue / (1+ path rank - path rank required)

Basically it goes 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4...
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Banefire Crossbows are fucking amazing. Each shot is basically AOE 5 MRN or die at end of battle.
Why aren't they used more?
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>>158721946
>requires troops to live to the end of battle massively reducing its usability. You don't want enemies to live that long in the first place and evoblasting basically overwrites it
>MR check
>not forgiving to your own troops

Very few (mostly skellyspam) nations can use them efficiently and some of them already have banefire available from mages
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>>158725706
An elegant meme for a more civilized age.
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What's the deal with blood slave? Since gems and gold from provinces can magically find their way to the nearest lab/fort without the need for a commander to carry them why can't blood slaves do the same? Unlike gems they have legs and can walk so it would be more justified for them to go straight to your treasury after being hunted.

Instead we get the current system in which maintaining an efficient blood economy requires sanity-eroding levels of micro.
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>>158729594
>sanity-eroding levels of micro
You need some hotkeys, mate.

Takes me like 10 seconds per province.
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>>158731004

Thats 10 minutes for 60 provinces. Maps can have hundreds of provinces per player in the late game.
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>>158732762
>hundreds of provinces per player
Only in shitty memegames.
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>>158732762
Aside from what >>158733113 said regarding stupidly large maps,

>10 minutes for 60 provinces
Deciding on everything when you have hundreds of provinces will easily take you hours per turn. 10 minutes is tiny on top of that.

Solution is not to join games with super large maps. A fix to bloodhunting would be nice, but you'd still be spending hours per turn.
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>>158705775
What's so good about brigand lairs? Did I miss something?
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>>158725706
Who's second bottom left? Great seer of the deeps?
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>>158729594
>Since gems and gold from provinces can magically find their way to the nearest lab/fort without the need for a commander to carry them why can't blood slaves do the same?

Gems aren't being kidnapped and try to run from you.
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>>158732762
It's a choice. Either be a jew, or hunt in less provinces.
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>>158736106
Or just lab up every single province!
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>>158733780
The word "most".
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>>158692458
Will it be a steam post or an anonymous game? I'm kind of tired of diplo, but I suppose I prefer knowing which team is full of veterans to gangbang them.

I vote for teams with 2 players, maybe 6, 7 or 8 teams
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>>158659039

Diplomancing is all a game of smoke and mirrors. You try to convince your neighbor that another neighbor is a bigger threat. Try to get a gangbang going. By pulling attention away from you, you win games. He who diplomance the strongest wins.

You can't play Dominions without trying to diplomance. And if you are ignorant to the effects of diplomacy then you will lose. If you want to complain about this then you should go play a simpler game
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>>158734321
Slaves are drugged so they don't run.
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Can we just set pink AI?
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>>158743072
in that case ill be going ai too
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>>158743143
Good riddance, meme.
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>>158709305
>summod comes with another ridiculous bug again

when will sum1won discover the necessities of testing?
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>>158743537
As soon as Illwinter learns how to balance their game
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>>158743537
Letting the public test his mod like this is actually a pretty good idea given how much time it would take to test out every unit, spell, and event for every nation
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>>158743870
Or you could also, like, just test the stuff that was modded?
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>>158743996
Things are tested. Not everything is caught.
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>>158744292
How can you actually test things without noticing things like recruitable A8s or Devatas summoning Iron Corpses?
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I e-mailed Llama. He said that the line numbers in the mods and the change needed was fine, so I sent those to him as well. He didn't confirm that he made the changes, but I think things will be fine
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Well, it seems that goons have won the community clash.
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>>158744979

?
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>>158745031
It's dead. They won by not giving a fuck.
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>>158745462
Why did it die?
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>>158744571

Same way I sometimes make typos, and some are not caught with proofreading.
I don't know why "sometimes things slip through" is a hard concept.

In the case of devatas, that line of code wasn't intentionally changed while cost was being changed. I tested to make sure cost was changed correctly, but that didn't necessitate in battle testing, so I missed the bug that was introduced at the same time, as it is only obvious in battle.
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>>158688718
I dont talk to shitters desu senpai.
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>>158745557
testing means testing, not proofreading
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>>158745739
You just did ;^)
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>>158745748
Games that have rooms full of professional testers still end up having bugs.
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>>158745748
If you want more, better testing, you are welcome to help with the mod.
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>>158745748
Do you often find analogies difficult?
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>>158745739
What a smug facial expression
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>>158740180
>You can't play Dominions without trying to diplomance
This isn't really true. You can't play dominions here without diplomancing, but in my experience other communities have less intensive diplomacy than we do. Or at least more direct, to the point that people don't make fictitious claims about who is winning or losing.
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>>158746301
>>158746403
>>158747956

its really not that hard

make a change? open the game up and see if it worked. no need to get upset about it
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>>158748847
>its really not that hard
Name 3 games with no bugs at all.
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>>158748082
They also tend not to have a public forum for broadcasting "the #1 threat of the turn" messages or a culture of doing such a thing, so unless diplomatic inertia (reluctance to make peace in your ongoing wars and switch targets) is enough to let someone snowball, it's extremely difficult to gain a decisive lead if you don't do your counter-persuasion that at least casts doubt in the minds of players who aren't convinced you're poised to win just yet.
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Is numbness any good? I'm going to use it anyway because I dont have much options but It would be nice if it wasnt shit.
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>>158748847
... That's exactly what I do. The issue is that only finds whether changes failed to go through. It's not as good at finding unintentional changes. See
>>158745557
As I said, I opened the game, confirmed the change I wanted went through, and that was it.
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>>158749018

This is what I like about /domg/, disinfo is one of the most interesting aspects of war imo
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>>158748082
>>158749018

Other communities either have game threads, where everyone can argue, or one big thread(like on SA) where everyone can argue. Problem is that if you cry wolf you get known as that kid. 4chan is unique in that everyone posts anonymously. So we can try to dipolmonster in threads as much as possible.
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>>158750190
To be honest AS isnt even good as a crosspath.
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It's so fucking dead here on weekends.
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New thread:
>>158751723
>>158751723
>>158751723
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>>158751764
>that shit again
>not even at page 10

No.
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>>158751901
Just report it. I'll make a normal thread at page 10.
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>>158751764

>Politician image

fuck off
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>>158751764
So, he's the person who can view graphs in ScrubWarriors game. Should be really easy to pinpoint the exact player.
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>>158751940
Go ahead and do one now, just so that the other thread doesn't gain traction
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>the other thread gets scrubbed

based mods
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>>158752395
witchhunting over an op image you don't like is really stupid. Mods did their job, sent a message, the end.
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>>158754813
Witch hunting over the op image is exactly the kind of vindictiveness that befits the megalomaniacs that would enjoy this game.
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>>158755303
Are you new? This is actually a really laid-back general.
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>>158755421
t. not Malakal

This time.
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Vanheim you there?
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>>158755713
Please don't show me your honor.
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>>158755713
Yes. I'm taking amazons this turn.
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>>158756547
Fine. Just leave the rest of the south to me.
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>>158756547
What a coincidence so am I.

Hopefully it's not the same ones.
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new thred
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>>158756946
Nice job linking to it.
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>>158756914
In that case, I'll be going AI as well.

Speaking of which, how's that game going? It's on Turn 50 and no one's asked for a timer increase. We've also had our very first stale, with Nazca failing to submit last turn.
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>>158757272
>>158757272
>>158757272
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