/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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first for Chei

>>158297157
Got caught in a web ON the staircase. A little late now but I couldn't figure out how to untangle myself without stepping away so I used DD, stepped away and dragged a million bugs along for the ride.

Also there's easily been +20 demonic crawlers so far, I hate Spider so much. Swamp was a free rune, I don't even have sInv, I don't want to do this anymore

>>158297497
fuck off, scummy bloom.

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Third for neat alien roguelikes

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>>158297750
4th 4 qt 'shroom ayy

>>158297705

How'd you get DD that early when you rushed a firestorm?

>>158297497
Nice.

I'm having tremendous early luck in Demon.

So far I've got:
A vile chindi (poison breath + infection + snuff out isn't bad)
A deadly indian dwarf thing
A blessed slime
A blessed chinese hoppy vampire (different blessings)
Headless
And a fucking fairy

The bonus fusions don't really go well with most of them but they still are kind of swell.

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>turning filthy undeads into pillars of salt
>suddenly, a titan out of nowhere

He came from V:5 to avenge the fallen, all the way from there to the Crypt, and later into the labyrinth that is Tombs, to get into the 3rd level, to kill me while I was weakened.
But I am too powerful for him now.

What a noble sacifice, indeed.

>>158298081
Firestorm is at 99% still. DD was easy, just pump everything in Charms until Lair. Battlesphere carries you from D:3 to, well, it's still pretty goddamn useful. I'm guessing Vaults at least.

>>158298302
>headless
lmaoing at your first unique. Actaeon 4lyf.

>>158300081
>Early Game Physical Damage Monsters

Vikhor = Python > Headless (dat mod tho) > Malingee > Artemis >> Will'o'Wisp >>> A fucking Goblin >>>>>>> Actaeon

WHAT DO I DO
(I've already found Discord and Teleportation)

Current escape plan is entrance the closest eel and fuck off to the left, but I'm convinced I'll just run into a fucking bog monster or something.
This run has been stupid so far, my allies have died for bullshit reasons and I've identified **every single good potion except Detect Magic**. Shit just feels unfair.

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>>158301602
(Pic)

Even if I just blow it all up and my armor turns out to be Dampening I'm still going to die to the fire damage.

Also, my other concern is that, after entrancing the first eel, the second will just murder me.

>>158297497
yeah, DCSS is going to shit
did they also remove the felid pounce because of bloat?

and i seriously doubt anyone would start with DCSS, thanks to most normies misusing the term they'd probably get to BoI or FTL first
personally i started with Dungeon Hack before i even knew about real roguelikes

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>>158298673
>you squash the titan like an ant
pottery

Required thread reading: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3718266

>>158301959
I started with DCSS because I heard it was the hardest.

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>>158301767
based RNGesus

I gotta say, nothing obliterates crowds of enemies like Faithful Heart light or dark. I especially enjoy how it trivializes A FUCKING STAG and Asrai link missions.

>>158298673
That is bloody hilarious and I don't know why.

>>158303115
Aren't the peasants light immune, though? I can imagine those links being much harder with the light Faithful Heart, but with the dark one they're hilarious thanks to Agony's recent change.

Let's create a Crawl branch, my dudes.

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>>158302514
what the actual fuck

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>no childish revenge fantasy roguelike

>>158297710
>>158298143
>tfw archive is ded and cant see whats the post

>>158297507
My problem is how to survive the early game as OpTm when you can't even run away from anything, even with stealth there will be times when the enemy is not sleeping

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Anyone have a more embarrassing death than missing that you were poisoned and walking away to your death?

Also Breska appears to be one of those don't ever fight guys.

Would you as a stabber change to another weapon type other than short blades if it was some good randart with outrageous enchantment and properties

>>158306091
>melee summoner
Spook city.

>>158303313
Yeah I was talking about dark. The dogs and peasants are very stressful.

>>158306091
I hate how you don't see direct points of damage etc. in this game.

>>158304495
Dwarf Fortress.
Make an adventurer, resetting appearance until it's close enough to what you want. Give yourself a custom name. Retire. Make a second adventurer, considerably stronger than the first adventurer. Beat the first adventurer to a bloody pulp.
That's in vanilla. With modding, only your own imagination is the limit.

>>158280270
Speed:25 man. Pipe bombs, nades, tovs and shit are cheap and small. You don't have to hoard so use shit before you fuck yourself.

>>158282507
Heart still skips a beat seeing no walls

>>158286987
Read the pastebin and the pastebins in the pastebin.

>>158294135
It shows up in a few rare modifiers, remember to scroll over and right click em.

>>158301184
Gobbo's still nice for havign a second resistance to fire for anomaly.

>>158306223
You can just go mad on sblades soaking up the +stab damage and still use demon blades purely on crosstrain once shit wakes up or you can't confuse it

Why is Scythe of Curses so much fun even at shit tier polearms

How do I skill a DeCj?

>>158302572
>I started with DCSS because I heard it was the hardest.
This is true

Actaeon is so fucking horrid that I don't get his point at all. Fucking FOUR weaknesses, and his fusion thing is pretty sad too -- its "Well Fed," implying he's not so much being given a new body as just being fed to another demon.

>>158310169
Don't neglect dodging. Maybe a bit of fighting too.

>>158309978
Because it never spawns to me when I can use it. It always does when I'm playing a spriggan or a Zin/TSO follower.
And god knows I can't taste fun.

>>158310169
Get a ton of conj, some spc, hit your dodge and fighting breakpoints. Use invocs or evo for channel/support near the endgame/extended

>>158298302
>Headless
Did they borrow that from POWDER?

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>have fun killing all the worms in here with Inner Flame
>completely forgot about the swamp worms
>start walking towards the items not paying any attention
>already dead before I realize what's going on
F A U L T
A
U
L
T

>>158311378
they borrowed him from a short story written by H.P. Lovecraft

by looking that up i learned that Headless and Major Clapham-Lee are actually the same character

rly makes u think

Brogue: +1 Axe of Speed (14% chance of extra turn on hit), or +4 Axe (+20% hit chance, +20% damage)? (I want to Commutate them eventually, or maybe get that +4 on my Recharging charm, but that'll wait.)

>>158311632
>tfw three different roguelikes have Headless as a monster

>>158311621
Where did you download that tileset?

>>158312081
i mean the +4 one is probably better, but the runic is more fun

>>158311621
Do a draconian, demonspawn, naga, or hill orc for a more bulky caster

>>158312081
+4

>>158312087
Isn't it just the console build?

Is there any roguelike where i can play as a mechpriest?

>>158312372
Yeah, your friendly local gamestore. I think the dark heresy ruleset. /tg/ could tell you.

>>158295540
>Modded Curled Horns to work with helmets, does fine.
>Do the exact same to Pointed Horns and it doesn't work at all.

>>158302514
what triggers the "only hatred" message?

>>158313412
Sac love.

Ancestor + immolation = grenades on demand

>>158315086
>Read immo
>Zap with petrify
>LRD
>Kaboom

>Bulky char with rElec randart or mut
>22+ evo and disc of storms
>makhleb
>Mash dat MF E(v)oke button

>Inner flamed sneks on a plane

>High power guardian golem and multi-summon spells

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>GrEE
>Oh I'll just look at the ench of these ice cave freezing longbows
>+5 longbow of freezing

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>>158274854
I'm supposed to listen to "dixie" when reading that, right?
Check this out

>Well lately shitposters 've been postin' around
>sayin' they're gonna make the general brown
>Lite-a-roo
>here's your (you)
>If you can, try it man

>Cause Aralgee will never be free
>To FTL we'll all get round and REE
>Stay away, stay away
>Stay away, from Aralgee

>'Cause we're proud of our general
>Hooray, hooray
>We'll fight that frog this time we'll win
>We've lived, we'll die in D:3

>Stay away, stay away
>You don't belong in /rlg/
>Stay away, stay away
>You don't belong in /rlg/

>>158302572
It really is. Average win rate for people who regularly play (even on /rlg/) is something abysmal like 10%
Compare against *hacks in which every game is winnable if you're spoiled, or against *bands and *doms where you just need to grind forever to guarantee a win.

>>158293909

>TheBearThatAteYourTome.jpg
I CAN STILL FEEL IT
I CAN FEEL IN MY BONES

AGAIN AND AGAIN

>>158313412
ru

How's Shatter for zigs?
Bloatnado doesn't help when there's a ton of those fuckers that throw/teleport you around

Well, time for a little bedtime MuMo.

>>158306091
what kind of dank build is this

>>158310391
he's a meme

>>158311897
Major "Clap-dem-cheeks" Lee

>>158312372
Gearhead: Arena probably

>>158312604
fug, i really want a wh40k roguelike

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I have played thousands of MuMos and this is the first time I find one.

I say it's halal.

>>158318954
The wearer of the silk!

>>158319246
A D2 gnoll with a spear of distortion and two adders fixed that for me

>>158301959
i started with DCSS it was suggested to me as a good entry level RL

>>158316691
A BEAR A BEAR
ALL COVERED IN HAIR
HE LICKED THE INK FROM EACH PAGE
AND ATE THE BINDING SAID THE MAGE

>>158319629
It's shit. Start with either Angband or Nethack. All these 'new' roguelikes are just stupid trash with no real depth.

why would you want to watch that
that was a clever mumo
I never put any effort in my clever mumos
i don't play like that

i started dcss like years ago and moved onto tons others because it removed the ability to start with yred and other things i liked like the elves who were good at punching


most recently been playing slash'em. its okay

>>158320375
If you mean the guy watching Solarflare it was something to watch while I do my daily reps tbqh

Also because its funny to see a pitiful race run from everything

>>158320520
I am happy my suffering brought you happiness anon

>>158319629
>>158320002
Brogue is a good entry roguelike. Most Hacks, Bands, and all their (forked or spiritual) successors are grindy, spoiler-reliant bullshit swollen with meaningless content.
They're far away from the spirit of the original Rogue, which is ALSO a good entry-level roguelike - download the Oryx version with saving and tiles and you're set.

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>>158321613

>>158320375
>tfw "clever mumo" perfectly summarizes what I miss from the vods

Did you know that having weaknesses and low speed in Demon makes something have more HP? Low speed was actually overpowered at some point and had to be nerfed. Going down to 50% speed only gives 25% bonus max HP now.

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>>158321778

>>158321951
>not a HoMo^Zin

I refuse.
Wasted meme.

why does my AC increase when i put on armor in dcss?
no armor = 0AC 13EV
+0 animal skin = 2AC 13EV
+0 ring = 5AC 12EV
+0 plate = 9AC 9EV

so i should be playing with no armor on??

>>158321778
that's just optimal speedrunning placement anon, be happy for turns saved

>>158322801
Positive AC is a good thing in DCSS.

>>158323128
well fuck

>>158321473
No you don't understand. Brogue is same shit as DCSS. Running around in random 'dungeon' with class collecting armor and that's it. No deeper meaning.

>>158323186
THAC0 was never good
not 30 years ago nor now

>>158322896
I wish that kind of shit happened when I play stabbers.

>>158302514
>A helpful analogy to explain this, is human relationships. When you meet someone new in your life you don't know if they're going to be good friends or if they only appear to be useful magical rings.
>You won't know whether it's a cursed blowgun until after you've already become emotionally attached to them and lent them money and confided youre problems and secrets with them until there's a hydra right next to you and you need to equip your flaming scimitar.
>The analogy breaks down however because in crawl you can simply read scroll of Remove Curse, whereas in real life if you just read words to un-equip cursed items nothing will change, you're just avoiding the problem.
This thread is a fount of feverish shitposty wisdom, thank you so much for sharing, anon

>>158304495

>weebshit

>>158321473
>meaningless content
A crawl dev here?

>>158322801
have you played any games designed in the last 20 years
nethack and ad&d are the only things that ever used that godawful thac0 thing

Do Stats have any effect on skills in Elona or is it a one way street?

Like, if my Learning was pumped up from gardening, would that have any effect on my cooking?

>>158321850
yes
your zombie with fuckhuge hp is still shit since your defensive rolls are level based

>>158324691
IMO, Crawl content is okay. Most of the stuff that's not fun or interesting can be made that way with a bunch of tweaks.
Games like NetHack, ADOM and Angband, though? 50% of their bestiary, abilities, mechanics, etc. is pointless and unsalvageable.

But yeah that's just my opinion.

>>158324151
speaking of cursed blowguns, the curse makes it stick to your hand, so you could put it on the back of your hand, leaving your palm and fingers still available for other shit
actually you could test any item for curses like that
or you could wear some trash uncursed gloves, see if the weapon sticks the glove, if it does, just slip the glove off

What's the best way of dealing with zig pan floors?
Fucking pan lords using silence, hitting with chaos brands and shit

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Where would you put crawl?

>2012
>Traumatized by Elven Halls 3 due to incredibly strong casters and blademasters

>2016
>Realize that you can just confuse most of the enemies there to render them completely powerless

I am a fool

gunslinger or rifler for qud? And is it me or are strength based melee builds shit?

>>158326017
in the trash

>>158322801
>negative AC is good
Wow, this takes me back. Baldur's Gate 1 ran on a version of DnD that still used this.

>>158321473
>Most Hacks, Bands, and all their (forked or spiritual) successors are grindy, spoiler-reliant bullshit swollen with meaningless content.
Oh dear

Why would you need spoilers for Angband anyway?

>>158325525
...anyway, the pattern I notice is that people who hate all roguelikes but play them anyway for some reason hate dcss slightly less than the others (but still a lot).

>>158323284
Brogue has a little bit of atmosphere even if it's pretty stripped down.

>>158326753
>Why would you need spoilers for Angband anyway?

>It may breathe poison (800)

>>158325525
Flavor and variety are things, crawldev.

>>158326083
Mutant Esper. Sunder Mind, Light Manipulation, Temporal Fugue as a must. Do whatever you like with the rest of your points (suggestion:Clairvoyance is really good in combination with Sunder Mind/Light Manipulation).
Max ego, make willpower your next highest stat, put whatever's left into vitality. Congrats, you have built a master blaster,

Alternatively, Esper mutants can make good tinkers. Start with Temporal Fugue, that post-cognition power, (maybe teleport too) and get a few grenades, some lasers, and other high-power-low-availability items. Use Temporal Fugue. Watch in amazement as your clones bombard enemies with your full arsenal while you keep your pockets full.

Can you actually splat on Angband?
The description of the game sounds like grind: the game.

>>158327305
>The description of the game sounds like grind: the game.
so does elona but its pretty easy to die in it

>>158323365
Name another abbreviation as beautiful as 'to-hit armour class 0', anon

>>158327176
I always wanted to go back to esper, after finally achieving such molten fire-power that I was constantly on fire because my temperature was in excess of 5000 units - something like a chimera build with the carapace so a huge slab of armour doesn't take up 75% of your inventory and for that amazing thermal protection. You'd either have to grind to level a billion or savescum muts, though, since so many physical ones are trash

>>158327305
You can splat insanely easy in Angband, that's one reason why it's so grindy. As an example, you're required to have more speed than the final boss, because if he casts his big spell twice in a row he can kill literally any character.

>>158327305
>grinding before D98 instead of diving constantly
why

>>158327165
spoiler alert, damage resistances resist damage

now you don't need a wiki

>>158328092
The electric manipulation and phasing one are pretty nice - it sucks that the stat enhancement ones come with penalties though

>>158328609
the spoilers are for knowing WHICH monsters can do that damage type, and how much they can do

yeah you can play unspoiled but that either involves dying to everything with a new spell or grinding for a million years to get every resist

if you KNOW which monsters have dangerous breaths, you can just avoid/teleport them

>>158328803
if you clear floors sequentially in vanilla angband you're not likely to get one-shotted by a random monster. this is my experience anyway. worst case scenario you can flip on full monster memory if you must.

>Remove status effect cures from Idealise
>Reduce Hepliaklqanal piety gain
>Cut ancestor cast freq from 40 -> 25

>tfw Hepfag
feels bad man

If I go MuNe, what god will let me do extended: Sif, Oy Vey or Kiku?

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I only have a common ring of sustability
Do I really need to have it equipped
Also, where to next

>>158330458
Damn; why are they nerfing him so hard?

>>158330810
nice ac nerd

>>158330882
hes kinda dumb as is imo

you get free meatshield, spells and **** without having to devote any exp in anything

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>>158330942
AC is bloat anon

>>158331282
Does that have any effect beyond 0 AC?

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Reminder to vote in the /vg/ League strawpoll!
>What the fuck is this?
A virtual soccer tournament composed of various /vg/ Generals.
>Not this guy again.
I won't be posting about virtual soccer again until when the tournament starts which isn't for a while.
Links
http://www.strawpoll.me/11485582
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//rlg/
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League

Thanks for dealing with my soccer autism.

Meanwhile here's an on-topic thing I'd like to add.
Why do the Crawl devs remove so much content (such as sludge elves and lava orcs).
Its not even comparable to the game it once was. I mean I still find it fun but why bother removing content that isn't necessarily bad?

>>158331505
WE SOCCER NOW
>TFW NO SOCCER ROGUELIKE
>YOU WILL NEVER PASS THE BALL TO YOUR TEAMMATE
>YOU WILL NEVER COVER AN OPPONENT IN CASE THEY PASS THE BALL TO HIM
>YOU WILL NEVER CRY LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AFTER SPRAINING YOUR PINKY TOE AND HAVE TO BE ESCORTED OFF THE FIELD BY PARAMEDICS

>>158331505
can we replace the roster?
some players are kinda outdated

>>158331837
>YOU WILL NEVER CRY LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AFTER SPRAINING YOUR PINKY TOE AND HAVE TO BE ESCORTED OFF THE FIELD BY PARAMEDICS
What a noble sacrifice!

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>>158320414

So apparently due to my low-calcium diet I have developed brittle bones. I'm trying to eat as many eggs as I can but that's not really making much of a difference. Are there serious long-term risks to this, or will I just get my limbs broken more often in combat?

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>A yamabiko comes into view.
>It shouts at you!

>>158332928
damn i miss lava orcs

>>158332962
>Are there serious long-term risks to this
None of the vitamin things have any actual effects implemented, despite what the messages tell you.

Alternatively, use some of your hundreds of multivitamins.

>>158333837
multivitamins have low bioavailability though

>>158332962
Examine foodstuffs to see what nutrients they have. I think offal has lots of calcium.

>CDO goes down while I'm playing
Am I... am I free?

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Early Raijus are so awesome.

>>158302514

There are some things that you're just glad exist and this is one of them for me

>>158325121
One-way street. Stats affect things that are tangentially related to skills (strength modifies damage independent of tactics skill, for instance) but 1000 learning and 10 cooking is identical to 1 learning and 10 cooking when it comes to food outcomes.

>>158331975
Of course and I agree!
Just let me know what players should be sacked and who should replace them and I'll write them down somewhere for consideration.

>>158336934
i'd add some demon fresh memes like
>a
>fucking
>stag

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Is the popularity of a *band directly correlated to the *band's quality?

Which *band should I play, there are so many and poschengband is tiring

>>158336718
are you talking about skills like variable breath, eye beams or wahtver

dont those scale with your stats?

i know breath spells scales with your constitution

>>158337104
Oh yeah definitely we need a lot more demon memes. I don't really play demon a lot so I'm a bit clueless I only really pay attention to CDDA and DCSS posts here.
Any more suggestions? Also who should be sacked?

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>>158333048
Spit, etc etc. Pig, etc etc

>>158337106
hack > band

>>158337169
No, I'm talking about skills. The things that appear on your character page and that train through use. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Skills

What you're referring to are called special actions. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action

>>158306089

You can teleport and even if you can't teleport, you are actually allowed to kill things.

>>158337106
Tome

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>>158337489
Wrong.

>>158337106
>ToME
is it possible to get a ToME version when it was still in Middle Earth and not the OC donut steel setting?

>>158337270
add >a >fucking >stag or deer tank
add The Wearer of Silk
add Oat Satan
add Nethack Autist or whatever
drop several or all of Xom, Cheibriados, MiBe Babby, Orb Guardian, Morgoth, because those aren't even memes

>>158338013
theres a jump in elona's statistics

what caused that?
elona+ release?

>>158338387
I'll agree with all those but Chei. Chei is definitely a fucking meme. I also thought Orb Guardian was just a clever name for a goal keeper but duly noted.

>>158338087
yeah that's called tome2 and it actually is a *band
tome4 is basically an entirely different game

>>158337106
vanilla is good man
way less grindy than pcb, tons more user-friendliness changes and shit
just not as many race/class options

>>158338509
Elona Shooter's release.

NORMIES REEEEEEE

>>158337270
add awoo

>>158338583
>I also thought Orb Guardian was just a clever name for a goal keeper but duly noted.
oh shit, I didn't even notice
definitely keep that one then

>>158339416
well ima go fight morgoth i think i'm sick of grinding

>>158339479
Elona Shooter was a damn fine game

>>158318451
Dude, you can, it's just not automated. You can also just grab a bunch of the 7 day roguelike libraries and slapdash one together in 2 weeks. You're making Brogue/Forays/Infra Arcana, not Pozcuminbutt or Nethack.

Here's your premise, you're a roguetrader/imperium/chaos dude trying to get at a STC in a tomb world, death world, Mechanicum vault, or what the absolute fuck ever. Use a user addition friendly mapgen like crawl and go nuts. As long as you make very easy to add content and patches you can get /tg/ to do a ton of the legwork at fleshing out the skellyton you make.

Well he's got the 85 power fire/slash ability for attacking. Some buff cantrip. The charm, fire, and shock veils for damage and effects. Oppressor with some vit investment for even more def. Bloodthirst for minor healing with his 85 power attacks, and soul eater so anything dies he gets healed for ~3-6 hp per kill. Probably not the best sure but it's pretty easy to make sense of

>>158326020
Elf's a joke once you know how to skill, gear, and fight effectively.

>>158330882
It was crazy strong was why. Going VpEn with battlemage ancestor and using him to solo most of the game was nuts.

>>158330810
Probably elf, slime, and abyss for 5 runes then do zot 4 and extended if you want. In the future, using a character dump posted in pastebin lets people make more accurate advice.

>>158332962
Use a slingshot and go kill some animals. Make bone broth and eat the bone broth specifically. During spring, process all the rhubarb you can forage into stems and plant it. While driving around, bring back and plant the seeds to the other 8% calcium plant. Eat a bunch of them raw to bring it back in line.

Or just go loot a town and sit on your 200 vitamins. Eat 2 twice a day until you level out.

>>158337106
Play sil. It's not much of a *band but it's a good game

>>158339479
>normies playing elona
>not the perverse perveyers of /pol/ and the jaunty jerkoffs of /jp/

>>158341267
>tomb world 40k roguelike
Wtf why has nobody made this

>>158341267
I don't know a lot of WH40K lore (I only care about spooky mechanic skeltal and mechpriests)

>>158341374
Cause they're too busy spamming >tfw no wh40k [thing] instead of making solutions. If a bunch of jerkoff hacks can make smart kobold, drakefire chasm, and others can be made in 7 days, some sweaty neckbear parasite can bumble out a wh40k roguelike in a couple months of autism

>>158341328
Let's not forget the retarded players of /rlg/ now. Might as well throw everyone under the bus if we're going to be honest with ourselves.

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>>158306089

Uuuuhh... why would you need to run away from anything again?

>>158342697
Mother of god

>>158342697
>df
>not sf

newfriend

>>158342858

I share the same sentiment with one of the memes here that statue form is bloat except against earlygame Nikola.

>those soul armor costs
I guess this is a late game thing? This holy chindi I got in tower 1.5 is 17030 credits.

>>158343275
Based on how OP what it grants is. You can soul armor for a couple thousand to fix a critical weakness for a time like say, getting rid of a fire weakness for anomaly or elec for deeper in the tower but if you want to be superman you gotta pay

I think Im going to disable wilderness in PCB. I don't particurlary enjoy getting ambushed by 30 orcs 3 times traveling between outpost and orc lair.

>>158343256
>i hate AC and do not understand how EV works

t. shitter

>>158343439
you want to miss out on all that freexp?

The thing about wilderness is, only certain monsters are generated at certain levels, so you can easily find a few novices/ogres/deep ones/yourpreferredenemyhere to do in 10 minutes what would take you an hour to do in stronghold. Even better is that you're 1 teleport away from safety at all times and you have basically full line of sight at all times. Just carry 40 tele scrolls and rest at the inn for daylight.

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>>158343275
>>158343436
>brewmaster/Cthonic Ehlose soul armour with auraward

>>158343475

>I can never understand how dragonform works pls no bully

>>158343439
>>158343907

As someone who has played several hundred hours of PCB, wilderness is shit.
The problem is that no wilderness is really fucked for weaker race/class combos, stealthy divers, and casters.

is there any point on teaching spells to a Hill Orc Fighter or should i focus on the otabbing??

>>158343951
It's approximately 18,000 credits by the way

>>158344121
Yeah. Everybody wants regen, swiftness and repel missiles If you decide to get haste, you'll benefit pretty heavily from song of slaying and deflect missiles. It's a kind of late vaults/endgame thing where you get buff spells instead ofeven more armor and fightning or evocations/invo

>>158343436
What's the most ridiculous one you can do? Sounds like something fun to mess around with on a dragon eye for all the money.

>>158344405
>>158343951
I heard holy wisp or whatever the combo was could be good too from the pastebin

>>158344405
I recall an orb player several threads ago using aithir soul armor with auraward. Such an armor would be risky, though.

>>158344386
>18,000 credits
Eye of the Dragon reasons?

>>158344386
is there any point on getting rmsl/dmsl if i'm a qazlel worshipper?
also, didn't they removed haste?

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so i guess i did a little too much grinding

>>158343439
>tfw playing a hex mage and destroying orc ambushes with your full-LOS damaging spells
>tfw you can't kill anything tankier than orcs and you die if something sneezes on you

>>158344076
How do I git gud in PCB? Progression isn't clear to me yet, is it basically "finish stronghold and orc and labyrinth, get levitation for lonely mountain, move to arena, then don't die"?

>>158344610
qaz gives you rmsl so it's useless to cast
dmsl is an improvement still but it might not be worth the xp unless you have other air or charm spells you want

>>158344909
Well generally you will need some levels in between lonely mountain and arena.
Best places for this are antimagic/antimelee caves or mountains near dragons lair. Some characters can do glass castle, but it's hard.

It's really just a matter of knowing when to bail.

>>158344610
dmsl if you're already getting haste
In trunk yeah

>>158344847
Only 9 life, is that a lot? I remember pcb you needed a bunch

>>158345318
>Only 9 life, is that a lot? I remember pcb you needed a bunch
considering I used zero of them for the fight I suppose so

>>158344909
Pastebin tells you. You can tag all the dungeons and angband then use recall to hop back and forth between all the dungeons to rack up crap.
Do a half-titan mauler or whatever run or five to probe everything for your pokedex. Spam trap and monster detection like a motherfucker. Start paying attention to pack monsters that can drop good/exceptional shit. Fight at the deepest level you can without getting yourself rekt for the highest power drops. You'll accumulate better artifacts and exceptional gear for better damage and resists. Pack consumables to handle shit. Then basically just don't take risks. You have unlimited floors, gold, and consumables. Don't get yourself skragged by fighting a shard breathing unique when you have shit AC and no resist and shit like that.

>>158345318
in vanilla you need way less

not only is morgoth squishier but summons are also way easier to deal with: just -tele Morgoth and then ?destruct all the nasties he summoned on you while you wait for big M to tunnel back to you.

>>158345791
>probe everything
just turn on easy-lore lmao
i don't understand how anyone enjoys/wants the monster lore system

>>158345318
In PCB 15 total Life + *Healing* is usually enough for J. In Vanilla you need even less.

>>158345915
Muh arr pee. The sense of adventure is nice.

>>158346186
*bands are the least rp-friendly roguelikes that i can think of

>>158346395
You're a super retard!

>>158346430
No dignity!

is it worthy to train invo with qazlal?
i don't know if the god abilities are good or not

>>158347195
Disaster area is pretty good.

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Goddamn Chei provides no real benefit whatsoever this is balancecrime?! Buff please?

>>158347195
if you're not gonna train invo there's no point taking qaz in the first place

>>158347863
You are fucking retarded.

>>158347863
yes anon chei gave you that potion of xp

>>158347863
When did you find dat fukken book of the dragon?

why not make scythes an hybrid axe/polearm weapon?
training 2 weapon schools sounds cool if i can do reach+cleave

>>158348567
same reason they didn't make hammers a hybrid mace/axe weapon

>>158348680
w-what reason?
if we can have hybrid spells why we can't have hybrid weapons?
it sounds pretty balanced to invest on more than one school to get more effects
but still, we would need a mace/polearm hybrid and i can't think of anything, im too drunk

>>158348870
I guarantee you that sometime in the next six months scythes will be removed because nobody uses them.

>>158348956
Nope, they're enshrined thanks to reaper fagging. Suck muh +5 branded hatred

>>158348567
Just make reaping and chaos more common on them. As much as I'd like to see scythes cleave if you aren't reaching, that's just too much ScummyuninterestingspoilerduplicateBLOAT for one weapon

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>>158348193

It was a book of Transfigurations on D:4 and I bought it for 660 gold.

My wife Artemis is very cute. Make sure to kill meme stag so you can also have a cute wife.

>>158349804
I kill meme stag for shitting up my goddamn game. Give me my headless you little shit.

>>158349804
excuse me Artemis is my wife, not yours

>>158327171
He's correct though, most ADOM monsters, for example, are irrelevant filler. The crawl developers are pretty bad at cutting out great abilities for PCs but they're good at making monsters more unique and memorable.

>>158330882
he's really good

>>158349884
Tower 1.5 is better solely because it doesn't have asrai.

Easily my least favorite encounter, and of course it's in basically every side branch.

>>158349804
>being a literal friendzoned cuck
lmao at u

>>158349961
No, my Hunter Freybug is my wife, not yours.

>>158350261
Hypothetical question: Giant newts and rats were essentially identical monsters in crawl. Do you think one should have been removed because bloat?

>>158350710
iirc giant newts are faster and have reptilian minor cold vulnerability. I am not into the bloat mindset, but I am pointing out that Crawl makes the effort to diversify monsters and make them more tactical etc.

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Ok, enough of meme tanks.

How about some meme healers instead?

>>158350876
The thing that made giant newts different from rats is that they could swim without and speed penalty.

>>158350993
I like how zaghs have an excited personality.

>picking Artemis
>picking >a >fucking > stag
>not killing them
>not capturing them with a gold trophy shit

>>158350876
I am asking you: Are giant newts or rats "irrelevant filler"?

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Rat
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Giant_newt

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>beginning of game
>fight and kill extra large rats and amphibians

>end of game
>fight and kill abominations, giants, dragons, demons, and all kinds of other monsters

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>Want to make a turn delay/loss meme party
>Everything is in packs so it doesn't even have a use outside of charliss, ice and impact's availability and fusion movepool is dickballs with body resist/immunity fucking everywhere
>Want to make a turn accel team
>Crusader is hard as balls to get, doesn't even heal all that much, i can't give it from myself to the demons, the slash fusion movepool is dicks on head retarded meaning you gotta shove your headless into shit and keep reviving him to do it again and again and even then, reviving cut and the other healing slashes need magic for power
>Want to make a dancer team
>Vikhor is basically RNG: the capture, TURDak will pounce and basically autofail your link, rest of the good shit is loved into end tower fusions
>It all sucks up way too many skill slots anyway and you need retard MC/Oni/python str
>Basically no hope for a demon dirty needler to be any good.
>Hand of the dead is basically broken because you can't get both str to not evaporate in melee, acc to hit, and still get magic for your drains and other touch damage
>Recycle is levels gained and even at like 10 levels it's only 1200 credits
>Shitty relic upgrades and movepools dick you over. Specifically, no translator/transpose soul melee relic, dancer moveset,
Really rustles muh gubbins like you wouldn't believe

>>158350261
This. It's not flavor or variety to have another p that's just the previous p with +5ac and +50 hp that still goes down like a bitch. Brogue takes the execution a little too far but it's really on the spot concept wise

>>158350993
How does that not blow all its sp on its shitty buffs? Does that really accomplish anything for you or is he in your 4th flex slot?

>>158350993
gandyahs in general are a meme. Would rather copy tireless onto a fairy and sacrafice the gandyah to the fairy than vice versa.

>>158351237
No.
If there were also Newt Lords, Newt Overlords, Newt Gingriches, Newt Princes, Newt Kings, and Newt Emperors, just with upgraded stats that would be irrelevant filler.

Where an "upgraded" version of a monster in ADOM actually adds a new ability (mimic hivemind for example), that is not a waste of a space.

>>158351452
If it wasn't for the fire weakness I'd say grab the gand cause of the higher magic stat.

>>158350710

they're not essentially identical at all

>>158351452
The thing about gandayah are that its stats already favor magic and vitality while fairies also favor magic, but agility and cunning over vitality.

>>158351591
Who here #voltaic/profane/saintedfairy4lyfe

>>158351425
I just use her on the beginning of the battle so she can proc some debuffs with humble.
Maybe i'll trade might for blessweaver so she can actually heal stuff.

>>158337106
>Is the popularity of a *band directly correlated to the *band's quality?
Probably

Or at least to the amount of interesting new stuff it puts in

>>158351452
>>158351534
>>158351591
How about Neros?

>>158351719
Try to nab buff cries and shove 1 on each of your dudes and yourself.

>>158351836
Dadgummit dem fukken weaknesses reeee

>>158351836
Good healers, but also blows away like sand as soon as light damage becomes more common.

Hobs are decent healers, I guess.

>>158351836
Neros are pretty A E S T H E T I C so there a must for any party. The cooler-looking the Demon, the better it is. Stats are a meme and you should go for style

>>158351558
For 99.9999% of players, the only difference is their tile/symbol. Otherwise, they're understood to be easy enemies who die in 1 (one) hit, unless you're wielding a -5 cursed knife (another victim of bloat).

>>158351425
>turn delay
Headwind+Frostbite+Tuofei abilities on one guy.
Brain Knocker/Choking Veil/Numbing/Tackle on a melee guy.

I mean if they are body/mind/ice resistant all at once it will fall through, but is there anything that is? And if you have a decent elemental spread you can probably nuke them through it.

>>158351836
they're ok if you put holy or profane on them and you have other dudes that can heal too

>>158352258
Headwind's just for movement so it's not that big of a thing unless it's on you. meme resists don't matter cause as long as you're pumping str or magic you can power through/use another element to assbloast them. Dunno what tuofei si

where do i find cthangband 5.0

Looks like it disappeared from the internet

Damn you Ferret, i spent my relic point on transpose soul because i thought priesthood reduced the light/dark cooldown by 2, but turns out it actually only reduces it by one.
What a piece of shit.

>>158351237
both of them are boring tab fodder at all points of the game, so yes?
it's not like they have interesting flavor either
they're fucking rats and newts

>>158352191

And?

>>158352532
Headwind is good when it's on the Sudden Chill/Winterkill combo, since they just hit the entire screen.

>>158352191

So they're not identical at all. No shit huh

>>158352970
[___] Rats are bloat
[___] Newts are bloat
[___] Both are bloat
[___] Neither is bloat

Fill in the box

>>158350993
holy fuck that resist table

>>158351190
Yea I kill the stag if I can't handle the doggies

>>158351237
if you're a tileshitter like 90% of the DCSS retards here, they look different I guess

>>158351371
megakek at that pic my nigga

>>158351425
>the slash fusion movepool is dicks on head retarded meaning you gotta shove your headless into shit and keep reviving him to do it again and again
literally why not learn revelation

>Basically no hope for a demon dirty needler to be any good.
literally revelation+Artemis+Oni
just don't let the Oni get charmed because he will literally kill you if he touches you

>>158353270
neither you fucking retard
rats are for mumos and cats that will die to literally anything else at level 1

All non-DCSS discussion is bloat T-BH. I think its time that Demon and PCB bloatboys leave.

>>158353394
stop shitting up the nethack general you nigger-loving kike

>>158352701
You want Quiet Prayer/Duality? I figure it depends on what kind of stuff you seek on pulling off. I figure there's a place for every ability.

>>158353394
Sorry, we're scheduled for PCB next month as the new flavor.

>>158352676
nevermind i found it

screw you everybody who didn't help

>>158353657
>nethack general
Keep it down, some people are trying to farm plants (and wands) around here.

>>158353270
Neither is bloat.

>>158353270
How about:
>[_] Both of them existing in the same game is bloat

Bloat isn't about single entities, it's a concept similar to linear independence: you can have 3 "maybe-bloat" entities in game without any bloat, but if you add 4th that's bloated with respect to any of the former 3, you have bloat now.

>>158353669
Nope, i mean Priesthood, a passive that reduces light/dark cooldown by 1 permanently. I think it's pretty bad desu.

>>158353364
Even if you do, it has a dogshit movepool you you don't have shit 5/6ths of the game

>getting Artemis
Boy I sure do love all my frost orb tormentor with a full set of self-supporting frontliners. Oh wait

>>158354078
It allows you to upgrade from Censure to Smite, or whatever the 40->55 power light abilities are.

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>>158353812
>tfw you'll never splice oats into your buckwheat with winter hardiness, blight/pest resistance, shortened stalks, and reduced maturation time genes

>>158353270
You need some to avoid zubat disorder.

>>158354163
More than that, he can alternate between the two 70 power dark/light smites with that (2) delay

>>158353270
the real bloat is goblin

>>158354339
Crawl needs a rogue branch where everything is in ASCII and every enemy is a goblin. The char dump should have 7 digit goblin kills by the time they finish it. Actually, just make the dungeon out of goblins. The floor is goblins. The walls are goblins with bucklers. The doors are plate armor goblins with clubs. Actual placed foes are hobgoblins

>>158354490
gnollcrawl

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>>158354521
You sonuva bitch. I'd almost managed to drink enough to not get woken up by nightmares about that fork.

>>158351425
>>158353364
What is exactly the super exciting thing about headless fusions?

>>158354640
ldr+rabble and buff slices. I wanted a meme team but it's pretty hard to get together

>>158354640
The thing about it is that it is a unique modifier among unique modifiers, i.e. it grants mind resistance but favors strength and agility instead of magic and cunning. This is great for many hitdudes. It also provides a lot of nice supportive melee abilities.

>>158354776
Ah I see. Is ldr + rabble + buff slice superior to Vikhor style being given leadership and "Every attack is a movement thing, juggernaught, and -20% to movement costs?"

>>158297409
Can someone explain the meme in the OP, I've played a bit of tome but I don't quite get it. Is crystal shit OP?

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>>158353270

[_X_] cBlink is bloat and should be removed RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW

>>158354859
Ah I see, thank you.

>>158355672
The meme is that tome is stupid and the ugliest game in existence and it is only going to get worse.

What's the best roguelike for customization? I want to play one, but I like tons of stats and skills to play with.

>>158355991
ToME
It lets you pick a ton of different builds, though most of them suck.

Qud as mutant is pretty good with lots of options, but it doesn't let you explicitly pick the most important parts.

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>>158355991
Poschengband

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I just found a cloak of invis too make it stop

According to my calculations, a zombie at level 101 would have the following stats:

Strength: 156
Magic: 44
vitality: 223
Agility: 77
Cunning: 55

I have no reliable means of figuring out how much HP it would even have.

>>158356361
some dude posted his wining party with a level 17 unmodified zombie with 113 HP
just extrapolate based on that and a level 1 zombie's HP

>>158355170
They're complimentary. Enjoy trying to get mobility for +50% speed on movement shit and stacking haste on top of that

>>158355991
Elona+, TOME, Poschengband, Cataclysm Dark days ahead

>>158356249
Sleep tight Trogger :3

>>158355672
it's just ugly tiles

i always see posts about neat builds and they make me want to play demon but when i actually try it i get immediately bored and ctrl-q my characters on like level 3

>>158356478
I am that dude. I took the time to take notes and figured out a pattern from conjecture; for some info the zombie always gains 1 point of cunning at even levels, and usually two points of vitality except at level 10, where everything gets one point, and level 11, where it gains 3 points of vitality to make up for the previous level. I did take note of the HP but I don't see much of any patterns in it; it seemed to be gaining HP at an increased rate after level 11.

Given how Demon works, such a high level demon could work oddly.

>>158356607
Not everyone has the resolve to walk the path of the meme

So how should Demon progress development wise? adding more Demons might, dare I say it, introduce bloat and redundant demons. Adding more branches and uniques is nice, but whats the point of them if you only have a few levels to use them?

>>158356929
AFAIK, there is likely to be more demons late in the game in the future. I think it could benefit from an extended game, as really late demons don't get to see much use and there's almost no reason to sacrifice powerful late uniques like Tlaloc into something else right now.

>>158356929
Isn't it supposed to be like a hundred floors or something crazy when it's finished?

>>158356929
more variety: dungeon (layouts, vaults) + encounters (mixed packs, more multi-pack fights)

>>158356607
Happens to me too sometimes man. But the same kind of shit happens in other games where you just have to tab through the chaff, like DCSS

>>158357102
I have no idea, but I think Ferret has said in the future the tower will be extended. I can only wonder how much longer it can become, as well as what may show up (tier 3 modifiers?).

>>158356929
More demons would add replayability, which is severely lacking right now.

Could be more replayable if it wasn't just
>meet the same demons every time
but had some per-game sets of demons that do not spawn.

Many demons already are redundant, but that's because you can easily move abilities between them and some of them just have bad stats (resistances mostly). Fixing that would require adding something that can't be moved, like simple traits or 9th ability that can only be inherent.

Better AI would be great, like making healers hide from smites.

>>158357309
Come to think of it, some of the later modifiers seem pretty rare. Blessed also seems kind of rare. For now I can get blessed, but there seems to be quite a few demons later on with the corrupt modifier over others like foul and baleful.

Why do you guys hate DCSS even though it gets more difficult with every patch?

>>158356607
I feel like demon has this problem where the starting skills are largely uninteresting (way too many melee options IMO), so you mainly pick the starting relic for its weakness/resistance set up and upgrades- then the skills are very secondary. And by necessity the monsters you face early are also uninteresting. So it takes a while before you can get to the interesting stuff with cool builds. Some builds aren't even possible to get started on before Tower 11 or so.

I'm not saying that the upgrades shouldn't be the more important part of the relic choice, just that in combination with the kind of boring monsters early on it makes for a game that doesn't really get interesting until Anomaly.

>>158358976
this is 4chan
everyone who posts here hates every game they play, ESPECIALLY if said game is relatively popular

>>158358976

That's what you call damage control. They unintentionally made the game way too easy that even wikitavern babbies noticed it so they are making amends. It doesn't change the fact that Crawl as a whole is still too easy.

>>158359101
This
A game in which you can have a 50 game win streak can in no way be considered hard

>>158359101
Nah, Crawl was a lot easier and has become progressively harder. Hell, I used to consider the Tomb to be free XP with a necro, and would clear it and the crypt out first thing.

>>158359183
Tomb is still free xp by simply worshipping TSO

>>158358976

>you guys

One shitposter who is bitching about an irrelevant forum

>>158359256
>irrelevant
Both Tavern and the IRC have a huge impact on the development of the game
Meanwhile /rlg/ is the actual irrelevant one

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>>158358976
I like DCSS. I think that a lot of people here play it too much though and get very frustrated about it. I think they need to take it easy.

>>158359289
/rlg/ got haste + finesse nerfed

>>158359289
I'm referring to irrelevant here, and the constant whining, crying, and bitching that anyone who disagrees is from the Tavern.

Name 5 reasons why you would ever play DCSS over PCB

>>158359481

1. less bloat
2. lesser bloat
3. most lessest bloat
4. more removals
5. most removals

Guys what if we changed DCSS
Guys
What if we changed DCSS
To have no food mechanic?

Would that be interesting and tactical?

I swear. Perhaps for the remainder of my life, any time I see or hear the word "bloat" I will think of these bloody threads.

>>158359669
Then you would have to remove spells because they would be a nobrainer

>>158359778
But spells are interesting and tactical even without spell hunger

>>158359816
No
They will be nobrainers
There will never be another situation where you go wow, i shouldnt cast this spell because it costs hunger
You will just cast it
Bloat

>>158359846
>There will never be another situation where you go wow, i shouldnt cast this spell because it costs hunger
This doesn't happen presently. Only good use of food mechanics in DCSS are Sp because it actually clocks them.

>>158359368
*bugfixed
and youre welcome :^)

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>>158359368
>somewhere in the world an anon is still mad about this

>>158359481
*way faster games
*less grindan required
uh idk what else
o yeah
*getting muh irc greaterplayer titles
*being a tileshitter
*being a mouseshitter

>>158359846
>>158360059
i like food + gozag interaction but that's basically it

>>158359061
>everyone who posts here hates every game they play, ESPECIALLY if said game is relatively popular
not at all

>>158359481
grindiness

>>158360390
not really*

>>158360390
*tips skullcap*
M'female

Why are demonspawn so terrible

>>158361709

demonspawns are terrible bec. ur terrible LOL

>>158361709

Because people aren't willing to abandon all reason, embrace the monstrous mutations, and go UC in the name of fun.

>>158361709
Demonspawn are great, even high-tier depending on mutations.

>>158361709
their muts are very strong but they don't really come into effect until later in the game
so it's the same thing as chei with the "powerful later but shitty earlygame"

>>158362139
Early game vs late game is horrible design.

>>158361852
But demonspawn arent even special for UC
Monstrous loses you all misc slots while not giving you any of the troll advantages

>>158362139
>Spiny 2 on D:2
>free ac
>demonic guardian
>nightstalker
>aux attacks
>not early game

>>158362207
It has got to be one of the worst common RPG balance tradeoffs.
I loathe how prevalent it is.

>>158362331

Better apts, especially for magic, plus your Tier 2/3 facets. I mean, it's hard to argue that any class is better than Tr for UC anyway, but monstrous Ds don't slouch with all those guaranteed aux attacks.

Can we all agree that Crawl has basically become a coffeebreak game?

>>158362885
IMO, need to wordfilter "Can we all agree" to "I think".

>>158362961
Fuck no
It would end up with annoying pseudo-question bullshit like:
>I think futa is totes homo and cuntboys are what straight men fap to?

>>158361852
>>158362331
A monstrous demonspawn with relevant mutations is WAY better than a troll.

They're still not very GOOD, I got a monstrous demonspawn transmuter with perfect mutations, kicked tons of ass etc., but it was just plain boring.

>>158363064
I see nothing wrong with making the people who use "Can we( all)? agree" look more transparently like retards.

>>158361709
PbD + Mana Shroud + regen spell + troll leather armor is completely fucking amazing, nothing compares except that which you get from a deity

>>158363195
Then it could be filtered like:
>Are there other retards who think that futa is totes homo and cuntboys are what straight men fap to?

slash'em or slash'em extended?

>>158363376
are you intrigued by the idea of a "sexy farting butt" trap, y/n?

>>158363082
But trolls are one of the strongest, if not the overall strongest crawl species, so if DS are even better than they cant be not good