/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

GAY DISTRICTS

I want the /v/ermin tourists to FUCK OFF

I HAVE PEN
I HAVE APPLE
UGH

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>you can hold alt and left click to rotate the camera

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>tfw Civ VI finally gives me that great feeling of absolutely wasting my time and not getting anything done and making my fun video game time into a chore

>>158109049

>rotate
>can't figure out where I am

never again

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>money grubber
truly greatest ally

>>>158108946

IV is still better than V even with the expansion packs, I can't stress enough what a terrible idea global happiness and the other anti-wide designs in V is

Do you guys have any tips or tricks to share regarding Civ6?

What's the formula for disctrict cost?

>>158109150
nice graphics

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>greece gets two literal whos instead of Alexander and Leonidas

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>>158109198

>>158109214
>pericles
>the guy who killed medusa
>literal who

>>158109214
>pericles
>who

/v/ leave now

>>158109214
dumb frogposter

>>158109028

Continuing from this, there are a few things I want to compare between 5 and 6

>time it takes to produce units
It feels like it takes less time in six, which makes having a military and going for domination a lot more viable
>tile size of every map
I'm playing on a standard continents map and it seemed like the map I was on was incredibly large compared to Standard in Civ 5
>turn number for different speeds
A lot of this has to do with the scale of the game. I think they got a better grasp on it in Civ 6 it feels like, but I'm not too sure.

If the maps are bigger and the units are cheaper, then Civ 6 is definitely better than 5 because it did what 5 tried to do better by making 1UPT actually work (though it also altered it by adding in corps)

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>ywn go to war together with Gorgo and fuck her afterwards
why live?

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>>158109238

Who is this handsome devil?

>>158109214

>Pericles, one of the most famous leaders on Antique Greece
>Not Alexander, some bratty teenager who blew Persia and then had his empire collapse, dooming Greece

As someone who hasn't kept up on the media and whatnot for civ6, what's new from civ5?
Anyone got a "new mechanics tl;dr"?

>>158109317
>ywn go to war together with Gorgo and be fucked her afterwards
fixed

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>no worries bro, just slightly considering it

>>158109365
no I don't think it's fixed

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Why is the mid game STILL so fucking BORING
reeee

>also that promo is OP

>>158109346
>Antique
dumb phone poster

>>158109347

Imagine if Firaxis ripped off Endless Legends.

Damn Stellaris is much more prettier now

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>>158109347

Districts are neat but need production timing ironed out.

Barbarians are fucking insane and will fuck your shit up all day every day.

The AI is an upgraded version of barbarians that will inevitable chain denounce you followed by gang rape bandwagon surprise wars in the ancient era, assuming they survive the initial barb rapings.

Civ 5 was comfy. Civ 6 is hell on wheels.

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>Civ V
>each era actually felt like an era

>Civ VI
>game literally feels like the ancient era until you hit industrialization

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Warmonger penalty does go down and you can even watch it decay. I declared a formal war on Gilgamesh to grab an unescorted Settler I found with a Scout (he'd denounced me some turns before), and I was hit with a -24 for warmongering by the world (everybody but Vicky is denouncing me now). Not sure how many turns it's been- more than 10 because I can try to peace out, but I'm still at war but I haven't taken any cities or anything.

>>158109556
>>Civ V
>>each era actually felt like an era

did we play the same game

eras in civ 5 went by so fucking fast even on epic

I really don't get the barbarian problems people seem to be having, are you ignoring military units early on?

I played Gilgamesh and Pangaea and first thing made another two warriors to go taking out barbarian camps, didn't have any problems

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>the barbarian hordes trampled us beneath the hoofs of their horses, leaving behind churches, universities and culture

Also, is it me, or if someone is "winning" one victory type, they are probably also winning the others?
I haven't had a game where one AI was a clear leader in one objective and not also first or close second in all others.
Even the successful early warmongers always end up top religion, science and culture dogs.

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>Feudalism intensifies

>>158109707
>are you ignoring military units early on?

Nice fucking meme dude. The AI spawned a horseman, a slinger, and two warriors before turn 15.

And that was just one camp. There was another one north that spawned 3 warriors. I ended up re-rolling. It's a complete RNG shitshow whether you get fucked by barbs or not.

>stellaris
>want to vassalize 2 states that I liberated from the last war
>go to war with them instantly I won the last one
>a federation associate instantly forms a defensive pact with one of them
>now a federation is in war with federation associate because I want to vassalize a state that he will never be able to defend
What the hell. He's still a federation associate too.

How do I extract artifacts in Civ6? I don't have the option on workers, and I don't see how to train or buy archaeologist type units.

>>158109440
>>158109548
Alright thanks.
I haven't played civ in a million billion years and was never gud. Is prince fine or will I get my butt stretched?

>>158109707
playing fall from heaven for like 1000 hours has taught me that no matter how many units I have on barb defense, it's not enough and I should make more

I think I'll feel right at home in civ 6

shit mobile graphics aside, of course

>>158109430
Are you insane? Mustketmen, bombards with baloons, flanking cavalry and field guns is when WORLD CONQUEST can occur.
Its like the old artillery and planes timing.

Why are >50% of the civs geared toward cultural victory?

Why is there only 2 science civs?

I can't be the only one who was stopped trying to even compete on higher difficulties with all the RNG and balance issues and just plays with a non-buffed AI on Warlord/Prince to have fun ?

Maybe on Epic or Marathon speed and on very big maps, you can get very close to what the devs intended. A long, tactical experience where every move matters and militaries are used and upgraded properly

Things go so fucking fast on Standard there's no use even producing a military beyond the Slinger > Bow > Xbow > Field Cannon tree, at which point you one shot scouts and can defend cities easily

>>158109864
Babylon and Korea in Civ V.

>>158109864
culture is vibrant and diverse (just like the leader cast) while science and facts are oppressive tools of the white cishet male patriarchy

>>158109821

Break out the lube.

>>158109875
Why did you think you could play on Emperor/Deity in the first place?

This is not Civ 5.4
It's a brand new game
Your ebin optimized build orders that were the only things that let you survive against Deity AIs haven't been discovered yet

Maybe that's why your ass is getting mangled, you think?

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>mfw seeing this for the 13th time this game

Nigga I spread it to one city, you lose it. I spread it to another, you lost that too. Now I have to cross a battlefield the size of a small continent to spread it again.

>>158109214
>Pericles
>Literal who

You have no excuse, he was even one of the Greek leaders in Civ IV.

>>158108960
Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong?

I installed Civ5 last week having never played it. I uninstalled after 3 games.

>early-mid game warfare is fucking worthless
>every game played exactly the same--waiting for techs/buildings
>450 turns later
>you win

What am I missing here? That said, I' m downloading civ6 right now because i have no life so gib tips pls

>>158109875
My first game was on 4, now I play on 5. At all points I am strong and in charge, but the AI still competes.
I imagine my next game will be the right way to play for veterans, difficulty 6.

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>he he
>g-good one
>pretty funny, modern elements are pretty n-neat lol

>>158109556
>game literally feels like the ancient era until you hit industrialization

Lovely.

>>158109864

There's only four victories. Science, Culture, Domination, Religion

Most civs are geared to pursue at least two victories

Shit-tier civs are usually geared towards Domination and unoptimal Culture (France and their underwhelming wonder bonus, England and their Museum joke)

God-tier civs have good early agression but are actually geared towards Culture and mass Science on the long run (Scythia, both Greeces, Aztecs, Rome)

>>158109971

People can already win on Deity as long as they do the right mix of killing neighbours and keeping up with the AI's retarded bonuses to prevent runaways, but it's about as fun as having a fit of liquid diarrhea on stage

I'd rather have a comfy game that I'll win because I'm not retarded, but that I won't win because I had to abuse every single thing at my disposal or restart ten times to get a start that isn't awful

>>158110069
Half the quotes are jokes, not inspiring wisdom. I dislike it too.

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>Day 2 of Civ VI and people already have nostalgia goggles for V

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>>158110069

>It was air conditioning that brought down the Roman Empire

>>158110161
was there ever any doubt?

>>158109864
I wouldn't consider it geared towards cultural victory since its just purple science now. A cultural boost can help you get eurekas or certain key civics. Particularly for Faith stuff.

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w-what

>>158110161
>>158110179

Civ V isn't any much better, we just know all the optimal plays so the only way to have difficulty is to mod the shit out of it

Civ VI is new and rough around the edges, but it'll be good in a month or two once the bullshitty mechanics are fixed

>>158110069
What the fuck is that quote?

>>158108617
Yeah, mountains are really crazy in Civ 6.
I guess this is just one of those instances where the devs wanted to make weak mountain starts stronger and then kind of went overboard.

>>158109875
I started on King in 6. Had a rough time with an early surprise war but otherwise the only problem is the same old stuff. The AI gets a bunch of number boosts but remains retarded. So the only way I feel I can compete is by going over and taking their shit off them.

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Am I reading this correctly? 144 thousand production.

>people talking about civ VI balance patches

Did V ever get balance patches? If It did then why does babylon exist?

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There is hope.

At least it's fun, I hate the SJW bullshit they're throwing in all of a sudden.

>>158110296

You need glasses nigger. There's a decimal mark.

>>158110296
>using 1.000
>not 1000 or 1 000
People are weird.

>>158110296
I think that's a decimal point, not a comma

>>158110290

I think straight up murdering the AI quickly before it gets a tech advantage that makes it impossible is critical in Civ VI

In Civ V you could build tall and optimize yourself to victory while the AI shat cities all over itself and ruined its economy with unit spam

In Civ VI, the AI actually uses the free shit it gets properly, so if you don't knock up and absorb one AI or two you are fucked

>>158110330

Yes, plenty

I don't know if there's a version history somewhere, but Civ V has gotten a LOT of balance patches over the year

Rarely standalone content, but balancing all around. I think Tradition/Liberty got tweaked like 5-6 times over its history

>>158110393
>In Civ VI, the AI actually uses the free shit it gets properly
Are you sure?
I haven't seen the AI do much of ANYTHING properly

>>158110271
Not really. Having +4 science instead of +2 is impactfull, but people act as if you either have several mountains or you restart, this is nonsense.

>>158110110
I don't mind the general idea, and some of the quotes are alright.

But stuff like that is just stupid. I could imagine that as a tweet for #Civ6NaturalWonders or some bullshit.

>>158110447
From what I hear from this whiny baby general people will reset for a plethora of reasons until their start is perfect and their enemy's is the worst.

>>158110425

Well, if anything the game is more geared towards the AI's stupidity

Maintaining a proper late game army is so costly you'll rarely get to cash in your advantage, wall defenses are horribly strong against everything until you grab Cannons and Frigates and wide play is now the new meta, something the AI is very good at

The AI also often steals all the good spots, and rarely compete between each other unless they have a massive advantage so runaways run away even quicker

>>158110447

The choice is often +2/+3 versus 0

It's quite possible and worryingly common to not find a single spot to theme your campus, forcing you to build commie blocks with your districts to try and engineer yourself a boost

This gets a bit less bad with libraries and forcefully tasking civvies to it, but it can still make the difference. Early science advantage means early science snowballing, and it goes quickly from here

>>158110568
And then they will whine about how bad the AI is and how they roflstomped.

>>158110475
>some of the quotes are alright
So you agree that coal miner's women deserve more respect than the guy who actually work in the mine?

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It really does feel scripted. And now, we have a showdown between an awakened empire of old that wants to purge the galaxy of lesser races, and its age old rival, a now awakened empire of old that wants to preserve all the races of the galaxy by playing Galactic Police.

>ally pericles
>he moves troops around a little too close to my business
>buff up my army just in case
>cleopatra soaks her toga and agrees to be my ally because of my stronk military
>still won't give me an embassy
what

Civ 6 is basically Civ 5 with better diplomacy and polished interface. Not bad!

>>158110627
I said some of the quotes.

>>158110629
A new endgame crisis?

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>Own half of a continent
>Finally Resarch out Oil
>0 in my Territory
>Almost 5 Oil in the other civ Territory

>>158110629
>that portrait
I hope you get wrecked by both empires.

how do you see when and where your border will grow in Civ VI?

>>158110667
t. firaxis shill

>>158110635

Some civs seem to randomly decide they will never, ever want to give you the visibility

Which is smart to a degree, but immersion breaking. I wish HAVING an embassy also gave you a bonus, so that there was a good reason to do so

Right now, allowing people to open embassies in your theory is akin to bending over and taking it in dry. All it costs them is 25 gold to see a LOT of compromising information

Once they get Printing and an embassy, they can see even more hazardous shit like wonders started or settlers created

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>>158110573
>The choice is often +2/+3 versus 0

Here is my unoptimized casual setup with 2 mountains, both far away, and the holy site stuck in the best position. And the natural wonder I couldn't even settle because the yields there are trash and its stuck in a small inner sea.
This is more or less a worse case scenario, and I am leading in tech comfortably, on King difficulty, which is what all the people complaining play, or even more.

You don't need everything to be 100% perfect to compete. People restarting until perfection are later going to complain they aren't having fun, and I can only pity that.
Mountains are strong, but their existence or lack doesn't define games. if you don't have mountains in range, you have something else instead, horses or rice or whatever, play differently, expand or conquer into better land.

>>158110703
You don't.

It usually grows in the direction of the nearest resource, but there doesn't seem to be any way of predicting what it's going to do.

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>>158110629
[UR-QUAN INTENSIFIES]

>>158110627
>getting triggered by a country song

>>158110742
I find embassies to be useful a little after the game's really started, as you'll need the relationship buff to buy time until they war you for going against their retarded agendas

>>158110770
wow that's kinda crap, why would they remove that?

>>158109864
Because science has other uses than finishing the tech tree for the science victory.

Tourism bonuses are useful for little else than enabling cultural victory (ironic when culture itself now works very much like science.)

>>158110627
That quote is taken out of context. Merle Travis was talking about his mother. Half his songs were about the shit coal miners go through.

Is there an optimal starting build order in civ6 already?
I always feel like im fucking up

I sure do hate this city state system compared to the last which just made sense. I dont feel like im involved with them at all. Its just every few turns "Hey you got a guy which city state do you like most" I dont even know how im generating these points or how I can change them.

>>158110816
Because they removed a lot of useful features and really skimped on tooltips that could give useful information.

>>158110816
Removed features that I noticed and miss are:
>border growth indication
>restart button on turn 1
>disable unit cycling in options
>seeing tile yields when you select a worker
>seeing trade route when you select a caravan, since its not obvious where it goes even with the roads if you have many

I think thats it. I disabled unit cycling in the config file manually, the rest has to wait for mods.

>>158110787
>>158110857
>taking an american song that needs a context to be understood
Yep. Shit quote.

>>158110928
>i am too stupid to look up the context
>i am too dense to not get triggered
>i define myself based on things i dislike
>real men hat e women fuck sjws!!!

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>>158110629
>gay anime space empire
hilarious but why?

>>158110916
they demand you to plan ahead with the terrain so much more now and they remove THIS? Really questionable.

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How do I make my fucking trade caravan stop so I can send him to another city to build new roads?

>>158110928
>not being american
Sorry the world isn't made for you like it is for us.

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>can't build up city without districts
>can't build districts without destroying farms/mines
districts were a mistake

Can someone link me a good guide for Stellaris?

>>158110336
Can you enumerate plz?

>>158110928
I don't even think it's a good quote but it's incredibly how offended people like you get over this shit.

>>158110984
You can't stop them

They build Trading posts

>>158111006
1. Explore area.
2. Expand in good spots.
3. Exploit lesser civilizations.
4. Exterminate threats.
5. Quit because the game runs too slow later.

>>158110956
>>158110987
>>158111048
>that samefagging
I want the /v/irgins to leave.

GUYS

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO

TO STOP THE BARBARIANS

IS TO BUILD A WALL

>>158111003

Just destroy the fucking farms, and consider very carefully which districts you actually need

Try to always reserve a few godawful tiles for districts. Tundra, desert. District tiles become inert

Never build wonders unless the yield is VERY good and VERY WELL synergized with your victory. If you want tourism, spam culture and GPs, if you want the bonuses, build more cities with more shit in it

>>158111080
But /v/ is the one who gets triggered by that shit.

>>158111090
But who's going to pay for it?

>>158111003
There are even a policy that gives you gold when you replace a farm with a neighborhood. I like the planning and the replacement aspect. It feels authentic.
Wish you could break ice, dig canals and dry up lakes.

>>158111080
>Complaining about politics instead of complaining about the game
Sounds like it was you all along

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>>158110690
It's something that came with Heinlein. It may or may not be triggered while you play, and depends on what FEs are present.

The first thing you have to do however is to cause one of the FEs to awaken - these are as far as I know an actual crisis happening, one of the FEs get attacked and beaten, or someone starts getting too strong. The domino effect depends on which FEs are present at the time. In my case, the Xenophobe FE awoke and then launched an attack on the Xenophile FE, which caused them to awaken as well to fight back.

>>158111003
>not farming/mining everything in sight for max pop growth and hammer power for housing and the districts themselves and when they're complete fill them to the point of estagnating the city growth

Do you even optimize bro?

>Helicopters are "light cavalry"
hahaha what

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>wonders are weaker in civ VI
>wonders also take up an entire tile

Pick 1 Firaxis, fuck you. Wonders are literally useless. The bonuses are shit on top of it cucking an entire tile.

Do relationship bonuses for trades scale with how good a deal they got? Can I throw conquered cities and gold at people to make them like me despite agenda conflicts?

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>>158111129
>>158111090

>>158111182
Is Stellaris worth replaying? I only played once, but it ended up being a chore.
My friends got swallowed by an asshole without me receiving a notification.

>>158111202
not to mention take FOREVER to build

>>158111193
>helicopters are usable
Good.

>>158111202
>wonders aren't game breaking
Good.

>>158111003
Specialize yo cities nigga.
You're not gonna get more than like 3-4 districts in anything other than your biggest cities anyway.

>>158111202

The only good wonders in the game are the ones who use up useless tiles (also known as Great Lighthouse, Colossus, the lake wonder), and even then they tend to be too much production to be worth it

For the price of a Colossus which gives me one trade route slot, I could get a Commercial District and a Market

>>158111090
Qin no one wants to spend tiles on your rubbish

HOW DO I EXTRACT ARTIFACTS

>>158111257
not to mention colossus and the great lighthouse are unlocked AT THE SAME FUCKING TIME

who thought this was a good idea

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>>158110224
>>158110627

Jeez, it's a quote from a singer who grew up in an actual coal mining family, and he was giving some props to his mom and women like her who supported the guys doing the hard labor. It's not even like he disrespects his father or brothers, he had multiple songs relating the kinds of troubles hard-working people like them faced.

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Norway REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>158111291

Build an Archeologist in your city with an Archeologist Museum you nigger

This Archeologist is tied to your museum, once the museum is full it will disappear and you will no longer be allowed to create them in this city

>>158111318
Who thinks it would be a good idea to have even the fucking wonders appear in the same order they did in Civ5?
You are nitpicking so bad I have to assume its bad satire.

>>158110336
what the fuck are you talking about, you're seeing what you want to see, take your neckbeard off

>>158111239
Not game breaking is one thing but sometimes they're terrible.

It also means people don't bother building them until the 1950s which is just odd. People are launching satellites into space but oh shit step back someone just made the Hanging Gardens

Guys, why does the Aztec guy not accept peace? I keep killing his units, but he still doesn't.

Is it because it bugged out that Scythia (who I haven't even found at the time) declared war on me, and showed myself and aztec declaring war at me?

>>158111334
Just build apostles and fight his.
Religious units can kill each other in this one.

>>158111318

I think the late game wonders can also count, and that means very specifically Oxford for the bulbing, Ruhr for the massive production boost and maybe the Eiffel Tower for final destination culture victory

>>158111285
Seriously, what is even the point of the wall.
There's plenty other uses for those 4 stock workers.

>>158111332
So what, is that quote only read when you're American?

>>158111442
the wall would have been actually useful if it didn't cuck an entire title improvement

firaxis is literally retarded

>>158111042
>>158111371
>America's starting Luxury is cotton

Are you guys okay?

>>158111381
It's probably bugged.

I had a 2000+ year war with Gandhi just because he wouldn't accept peace and I couldn't be arsed to go over and stomp him.

What's the best map to play on?

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hmmm

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Why can't I build Stonehenge? I have flat land that is not near stone in my city.

>>158110860
pls

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Hitler didn't die for this.
I wish it were more impactful, make both the good and the bad twice as strong.

The Great Wall of China is so bad it's even worse than not improving the tile

This kills the tile yield for an irrelevant defense bonus

The AI also uses them in a retarded manner and builds big disgusting snakes in its territory, leading to the China AI always spectacularly imploding on itself

>>158111541
Pangaea is really the only decent option.

The more water a map has the worse it gets, because the AI is even more retarded than usual when it comes to their navy.

>>158111553
It says on it it must be build next to stone.
Buy that plains tile.

>>158111430
>everybody hates Germany
art imitates life

>>158111553
you nee flat land that IS next to stone. Which is currently outside your borders

>>158111332
funnily enough I feel like Americans are the only people who would get triggered by that kind of stuff
and I always got the other quote in all my games so far

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this land is peaceful

You can only build this wonder next to a mountain that is next to a river tile that has a holy site district with a temple in it as long as there are no farm tiles within two squares and it cannot be adjacent to your city center also you have to build it upside down blindfolded it gives a +15 combat strength bonus to any land melee military units that are adjacent to a great person and are not standing on a desert tile.

>>158111674
HOW
O
W

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>>158111583
>based turtle as religion symbol

>>158111584
It should give culture, or something like that. Make it give great engineer points even, for destroying tile yield it wouldn't be worth it.

>>158110860
scout, builder, slinger, slinger, settler, monument

holy shit THERE ARE SO MANY BARBARIANS

>>158111710
The only right choice, my brother.

>>158111003
City sprawl is a thing. I love it.

Civ V was bland and boring because of a lack of give/take, + and - trade-off decision making. Civ VI has lots more of that, and it's fun.

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>>158111547

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>>158111710
I prefer the crab.

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>>158111703
don't step on any toes with city states and it's surprisingly easy not to piss anyone off

looks like everyone but the spanish guy is going to be brought into the fold, i should just convince everyone to gang up on him

>>158110860
Scout into slinger.
After that depending on your land and barbs, either another slinger, or builder.
Delaying monument is fine.

If there is a city state nearby, building 3-4 slingers and upgrading to archers, or building straight archers, and taking it, is a good choice.
With no resistance and no destroyed buildings, and probably capturing a builder, its pretty legit.

>>158111715
Later on it gives tourism but its still not worth it.

>>158111792
>select symbol: cancer
>name you religion: memes

>>158110667
>polished interface
Nice bait you have there.

Civ 6 is actually a better developed Civ 3 in the growth department.

>Civ 3
Few core cities around your capital will form the bulk of your civ's income/production, settlers are always cheap, reason new cities after them will not work is because they all become increasingly worthless due to corruption (except for purposes of denying the AI the territories/claiming luxuries)

>Civ 6
Your first few cities will tend to be the more productive where you build your districts, later ones are increasingly more expensive and typically will not have the time to build up their districts. They still can be productive, they just don't get to do develop the same districts your core cities do but at least they are not becoming net drains on your income with markets etc costing maintenance to multiply 1 (one) gold per turn not eaten by corrupt governors.

>>158111715

The Great Wall of China would be good if it gave something in the line of :

Fort improvements :

>Damage per turn for every enemy unit adjacent to it at turn end
>Permanent ZOC on all adjacent tiles and on own tile

Yield improvement :

>Base culture and GG/GE yield when worked
>Tourism yield after Renaissance era, with adjacency-based bonus
>Appeal boost

This makes it an absolutely colossal obstacle for opponents the whole game, and only solvable by late game artillery/bomber pillaging

It also gets a BIT useful for yields, but you want to put it on dead/border tiles

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I like 6 over 5 in pretty much every way but fuck this Minimap.

>>158111932
Okay, so make it give +1 culture, and additional +1 for every wall next to it.

So a 3 section wall gives +2, +3, +2 on its three tiles.
That would be borderline worth it, which is how it should be. And then after a few ages, it can give culture too, making it worth it.

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>>158111868
I did pretty much the same thing with Japan's cheap holy sites.
I did get a chuckle when I sailed my apostles over to the other continent and discovered everyone was Jewish.

BIG
BARBARIAN
COCK

I liked Civ V, will I like Civ VI?

>>158111832
Thanks I'll try that instead.

>first game
>get barbed into the fucking ground
This isn't Civ5

>>158112039
Yes.

Though I'd wait a few months so all the retarded shit gets patched out. If they patch it properly it will easily be better than Civ V, but right now it's a bit of a mess with bugs, bad balance and retarded AI.

I was told to come here and ask if there is a help image for starting Alpha Centurai. Is there one? I'd love to start playing it, but it's a lot to digest.

>>158111934
I actually like the parchment fog of war effect, though I think it needs a bit more contrast between unrevealed parts and just "fog of war" (especially at some times of day like twilight hours) , and probably some more visible color in the "fogged" areas, but the minimap really should not have the same effect on it.

Let it always be in full color (besides the unrevealed parts), that would be a lot more readable.

>>158112124
I wish the map would update itself with eras. Charcoal on parchment in the ancient era, pen on parchment in classical era, pen and parchment with a splash of color in the medieval era, watercolor in the Renaissance, classic globe look for industrial, like a road atlas for atomic era and then blurry satellite imagery for modern and beyond

>>158112124
I take it you never played Rise of Nations.

The fog of war on explored areas is transparent there. Which means that units seem to come out of nowhere.

Am I the only one who just doesn't bother with a scout? I just go Builder - Slinger - Slinger or sometimes Monument

I'd rather have another slinger than a scout. They don't scout well until they get a promotion which is pretty long unless you take the double exp civic, you're unlikely to beat other civs to more distant huts/city states with them anyway and a random eureka is kinda middling when I could just go get my eureka for Archery/Bronze Working etc and go trash barbarians and weak civs.

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Endless Space 2 or Stellaris?

>>158112332
What's the blue flag?

>>158112349
Those aren't things you should be choosing from.

>>158112349
Stellaris or Endless Legend.

ES2 is really patchy right now.

>>158112386
After you've declared friendship for a while, you can become allies, which I assume means you're more closely-knit together

>>158111770
worst picture, shittiest waifu

>>158112386
Alliance

>those XCOM tier percentages on spies

If it aint 100%, it aint happening.

>>158112281
I wonder if that's in the scope for a mod. All you'd have to do is apply a new filter tied to era.

>>158112349
ES2 is still in very early development. While it's playable and it definitely looks like it could become great eventually, I can't recommend it at this time.

Stellaris is dull, but at least it's a complete game.

>>158112517

How's the new espionage system?

Please tell me it's possible to modify leader appearance? Or is it like Civ V again?

>>158112349
Distant Worlds.
Old, has a lot of mods and guides.
A safe bet.

is the flavour text about Greece true? They will _NEVER_ offer anything in a peace deal other than white peace?

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I really ought to read this book.

>>158112395
obligatory Stellaris or Civ 6 question?

>>158112552
Not the poster you replied to, but with the snazzy messages letting you know what's going on in other empires, spies are a lot more useful. Plus you can still do stuff like stealing tech, and I don't know if this was in V, but I saw an option to try to steal a great work.

>>158112582
>Old
Somehow, someone choosing between those games wouldn't see it as a positive.

>>158112552

Awfully complicated and convoluted for what it is worth

You can steal eurekas and blow up industrial zones, that's their only real use

On the other hand, the investment needed is incredibly high

Counter espionage is non-functional

>>158112676
If the person is a graphism whore, then it won't enjoy depth.

>>158112552
It fires off more often, so every dozen turns you have to interact with the spy, give them missions and such.
Also enemies build spies and send them after you, so you have to repair districts if you don't counter spy.

Its an okay minigame, another thing to manage, much more involved and much less impact than stealing or failing to steal some high tier tech to rush the wonder it unlocks or whatever.

>>158112349
Stellaris

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>>158112395
>>158112408
>>158112543
i am sf space junkie so looking for something good in that theme.
>>158112582
i checked Distant World but it is a bit over the line of tedious for me, too much spreadsheet-tabley-math stuff.

>>158112332
>implying cleo

What pirate version has the digital deluxe edition? I am not buying this after I got shafted with BE and Rising tide full price

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The sound when you kill an Enemy Spy

>>158112769
egypt is white

>>158112795
(capture)

>>158112308
My last game I went with builder - scout - scout, none of them really found much of anything in huts with their extra movement. I suppose they were useful in that the second one came out of the capital just in time to fight together one barb scout approaching, though I didn't manage to trap and kill him and he managed to always be one tile too far, at least he couldn't get rest periods or attempt to come back near me. Next time I may try only one scout.

>>158112639
It's a good book, I'd recommend it. If you like it, try The Brothers Karamazov

>>158112951
I already attempted that one, dropped it about half way through.
Very long, very dull sentences full of punctuation. Every single character is a philosopher.

>>158110249
It's from a school teacher's blog of her trip to Kilimanjaro last year

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Is it true that I can't rename Civs/Cities, or am I just maximum-tier retarded?

Victoria in SFM being fucked by Futa D.va when?

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>already researched all techs
>only at moon landing and building my second space port
Is it just my productivity thats fucked or is there seriously something wrong here?

I feel like there will be some kind of science techs DLC.

>>158113151
SJWs don't want you to rename the cities that the strong black kings built with their bare hands.

>>158113041
if you dont like that type of writing, you shouldn't be reading ruski authors

personally this is my favorite type of writing.
>tfw Proust
>tfw Hawthorne
>the dostoyevski

>>158113151
You cant. You also cant rename religions.
Only units can be renamed.

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>>158113151
>google it
>you actually can't do either
what a fucking joke

>>158113208

Build three spaceports in your three most productive cities

Begin rocket projects asap

Build industrial zones everywhere and in maximum clusters for the adjacency

Try to beeline for the late game Great Scientists or Great Engineers which allow you to boost rocket projects, this means projects in all your other cities

>>158112920
With the +5 combat strength vs barbarians civic, a Slinger/Warrior can kill a Scout before he leaves your borders if he isn't on a hill or forest.

Probably the main use I could see for a scout would be to force barbarian scouts to take a ZoC move, but really I think I'd rather have another slinger.

>>158112604
No AI ever offers anything other than a white peace.

>AI declares war on me for no reason
>kick their ass in the intial invasion
>"Ha, that was fun, let's stop now"
>continue pushing into their
>"O-okay you can stop now"
>start taking cities
>"H-hey, th-those are m-m-mine, g-give them back!"
>continously never give me a good peace deal or even any incentive to not eradicate them
>every time I take a city they offer peace on the condition I cede my new cities back to them
>eliminate their civ entirely

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>Capture settler on land using Longship's Coastal Raid.
>Captured settler is now embarked, same tile as Longship.
>Can't move settler because I haven't discovered the tech to embark units.

>>158113208
It is your productivity. Build more industrial zones, encampments.

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Any idea why i can't corps my units despite being in the Industiral age?

>>158113041
That's a fair criticism, it's definitely not to everyone's tastes. If you have an interest though, do try Anna Karenina as it is much more realist.

>>158113305
>Try to beeline for the late game Great Scientists or Great Engineers which allow you to boost rocket projects, this means projects in all your other cities
Yeah I am just starting to get those.

>>158112763
Sots (not 2) for great combat/tech/faction variety, no planetside buildings.
Soase for RTS 4x hybrid, mostly MP
GalCiv2 for good space 4x game
GalCiv3 for ok game with better grapgics
ES1 has quite a few holes but can be a fun fare
We need an infopic.

>>158112604
>>158113357

To elaborate on this, Greece (Gorgo) was being a bitch to me. I decided to declare war and liberated two city-states, took one of their cities for myself and razed two more to the ground leaving them with only Sparta.

Two turns later they wanted to be friends because I'm a 'true Spartan'

Which are generally better: Art Museums or Archaeology Museums?

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>There is no vassalization

gg no re, was fun for a moment.

>>158113239
If you so like, unlike many others, and much unlike most people of our age, growing up on shorter messages, and never being themselves short of other stimulation, from their phones or televisions, and having not been taught to read the classics from a young age, during which our minds, and indeed out future preferences, are being molded, much like the artist molds the clay in his hand, to create the perfect sculpture, as is his craft, and if he is of the skill, I recommend you also read, as you would enjoy it greatly, for it is much like the style discussed previously, the works of Gogol, who is one of the lesser known classics, still part of that elite, but not of the very top creme of it, despite his ability, and of Chekhov, for the same reasons, as he is in the same situation, everyone being aware of his excellence, but people delaying his works for the other, more excellent of the excellent, the curse of being number eleven in a top ten list.

Actually out of all the russians, I only liked The Master and Margarita. The rest kill me with their kilometer long sentences and I eventually quit.

>>158113357
That's weird, I got the opposite in my two games. They'd be offering me gold and luxuries every second turn.

>>158113041
This guy >>158113239 is right, most Russian authors are like that

>>158110038
so much this

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>tfw civ VI is high school all over again

>move around the map
>the unit I had selected is deselected when looking around by holding mb1

Any way to fix this?

>>158113357
>No AI ever offers anything other than a white peace.

Absolutely false, they offered me great works, luxuries, money, even cities I didn't conquer. Just kill their units, raise their war weariness by prolonging the conflict, and they will fold.

Also the "demand" option actually works in this game, if you have an army near and are stronger, you can demand shit and the AI will occasionally comply.

Overall the way they calculate "is he stronger than me" in this one is better than the last one.

>>158113208
Use power plants and throw down cities with Industrial Zones then use trade routes to bring the production into your spaceport city.

>>158113536
>They'd be offering me gold and luxuries every second turn.
Well yeah, but I mean REAL reasons. If I take them over I just get that gold and luxury for myself.

>>158113523
10/10 post anon

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Is there any map editor in Civ 6?

>>158113585
look around with the arrow keys or wasd you pleb

>>158113523
once you get used to the sentence construction, it gets (slightly) easier. i have definitely had to reread the same sentence several times before. its not something you jump into from harry potter

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Do World Wonders block National Parks? The language doesn't specify them but it says "improvements" but do wonders count as a regular tile improvment?

>>158113691
>not having your free hand on your dick

>>158113482

And then I demand all their Jade and Oranges five turns later and they comply.

Heh.

>>158113584
those curves tho

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>>158112818

>Skip this units turn
>It immediately goes to the next unit
>It waits a moment
>It goes to another unit

HOW DID THIS MAKE IT INTO RELEASE

>>158113287
>can't rename Civs
>can't rename Rulers
>can't rename fucking Religions
Mods will save this right? Mods are coming right? How else will I finally be able to achieve Religious Victory for Waifuism?

am i autistic or are amenities a more annoying version of happiness

>>158112818
I've been to egypt, their skin is the color of the average newyorker.

>>158113927
did you leave your hotel's sauna or did you just give HJs to american businessmen the whole time?

>>158113924
I don't think the penalties are as severe. On the one hand it makes sense for it to be on a per-city basis, on the other hand it's annoying monitoring it for every city.

>>158114023
the average newyorker is black, anon

>>158113904
See
>>158112021

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Once again, religion standing in the way of progress.
Can't even build infrastructure with all these priests in the way.

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>>158111483
>>158111442
>>158111285
>>158111218

BUT ANONS, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BUILD A WALL!

A WALL WILL KEEP THOSE BARBARIANS OUT, AND THEY WILL PAY FOR IT TOO!

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>>158113634
to give an example of this, here is a civ 5 screenshot of a civ I cannot demand things from right now, my next posts will be the technologies list comparison.

>>158114178
Sucks that you can't build the walls outside of your territory. I'd prefer to build them just outside the 3 tile radius of the city, instead of putting them on tiles which are going to need to be improved on later on

>>158114073
Literally wikipedia you dumb fuck, the most common demographic in New York is Hispanic.

>>158114318
Seriously though, you should be able to build a wall up to 1 tile outside your city's maximum raidius as long as its not inside someone elses city.

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>>158114261

Playing my first game on marathon speed, still on the ancient age and haven't seen much of religion yet. Is there a way to block invading missionaries from flooding into my territory like >>158114139, with a human line or something? I remember doing that with spare workers in V vs AI great prophets.

>>158114408
>Nazi mod
>Papers please fan mod
>acting like a fuck ton of gold and luxury/strategic resources isn't a good offer of peace

Anon. I think you're the wrong one.

>>158114548
see
>>158114261
its what I am doing right now to prevent in civ 5, he absolutely refused to stop spamming missionaries so I blocked him in early and then just kept replacing troops over time

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>that sweet, sweet double trade route plunder

is there a good beginner's mod for civ 6? just sitting here at the screen and I can't hit end turn on turn 1

>>158113493
I went for 50/50 split. Art in first district, archaeology in second... Seemed optimal to me.

>>158114548
Depends, on Civ 6 Apostles, not sure about missionaries have enough moves to go through troops, but as long as your city is completely surrounded by troops they shouldn't be able to find a tile to get next to it to convert.

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>dude barbarians lmao

>>158114765
just press it you faggot fuck how r3ddit can you be

>>158114548
You can use military units so long as there is nowhere for them to slip through. They can path through but they can't land on them.

Or hit them with Apostles.

>>158114808
>he didn't build a wall

Deserve it.

>>158114548
Make your own religious units. The religious units fight, and whoever wins spreads religion in an area around. The loser loses spread in that region.
So if you see 6 apostles coming, have your own 7-8 apostles and in the end the heresy will be removed and your cities will be 100% yours religiously.
Also use inquisitors.

Guys I need an answer quick. I got this scientist unit who apparently passively heals those around him. Is it better to put him in a formation as a sort of medic, or use him up for +5 healing per turn? Does it effect all units or only the one(s) hes with then?

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>>158114830
im really high right now and the possibilities and potential alternate universes are blowing my mind

this is sad. i cna't end turn 1

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WHY NERF

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>>158114858
>he's fucking blind

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>90%

HA HA, TIME FOR XCOM, BABY!

>>158114786
>>158114548
Actually remembering ,my first win was as a German religious win, and Denmark put like 5 more city downs meaning I had to reconvert all his new cross continental cities, and one of them was on this peninsula near two powerful civs he denounced, and so the entire damn city was covered in troops despite my missionaries there, and he wouldn't bulge so I had to go to the other 4 cities he places about 15 tiles away and prolong my victory since I only needed one damn city to convert, because his troops wouldn't let my glorious religion take Oslo.

>>158115014
>he actually built a wall

Fell for the barbarian memes.

>>158114982
dude weed lmao

>>158115048
Meant 15 turns away, not tiles.

Fucking took ages with how long a 10 person late game takes to load.

>>158114610
I dont want peace I want the demand function to work

>That look at your penis when cleopatra says "and an ally if you are worthy"
>you also noticed this

I have a large number of cities and taking care of all of them is boring. How do I make the construction automatic?

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>finally make it to late game bombers

>YOU CAN STRATEGICALLY BOMB TILE IMPROVEMENTS

FINALLY

FUCKING FINALLY

WHY WAS THIS NEVER IN CIV BEFORE

I remember Civ 5 being bad at launch but really shaping up into a great game by the time the second expansion came out

How does Civ 6 compare at launch, before I blow money on this shit?
Asking here because fuck reviews, youtubers, and fanboi's

>>158115417
4 had it

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Why can't I build an oil well? I have the tech.

>>158115427

It's just plain better, by a large margin

>>158115427
It's pretty good, much better than 5 at launch.
Lots of stupid little bugs and other issues though. Plus the AI is fucking retarded.

>>158115417
bombing tiles to ruin improvements was in civ 4? improvements didn't have the same impact districts do in civ6 though

>>158115607

Mouse over the oil well tooltip to see what is missing ?

Does having multiple of the same luxury act the same as in V, as in it has no effect and should be traded?

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>>158115754
Mousing over the tech, the improvement, the tile, the icon for oil, none of these help. I don't get it.
Am I supposed to destroy the farm first?

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>put Norway in
>put Brazil in
>put Sumeria in

No fucking Netherlands to be seen. This guys fucking kicked ass back in the day.

>>158115858
In Civilization V, one luxury gives +4 happiness to all cities.

In Civilization VI 1 luxury gives +1 happiness to the nearest 4 cities. If you have 6 cities, you need 2 copies of that luxury, so they can all get the =1 happiness.

>>158115867
yes

>>158115867

Destroy the farm manually first

>>158115858
No
A luxury provides an amenity to 4 cities
If you want to maximize your happiness, you should hold on to an extra copy of the luxury for every 5th city

>>158115867
for advanced strategic resources you need two builders

>>158115913
>the portuguese "empire"
>the spanish "empire"
>the british "empire"
>the dutch "empire"

I really wish these memes would end. Literally going to a city across the world, bombarding it, establishing a private company to collect tax, and painting the whole land 500 miles around it in your colors, as if you own and rule it.
No, nigger, getting 5% of all nutmeg or spice exports for your private company, which pays 5% of that 5% in tax to your king, doesn't mean you own the whole of South America, or Canada, or wherever else you put your port city.

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Blood for the Blood God
Skulls for the Skull Throne

>>158115913
saw somewhere (think it was a gdc conference) where the devs basically said they try to make every new civ game 33% old, 33% improved, 33% new

so the "old" shit would probably include the civs that were in literally every single game, ie England, France, USA, Russia, China, Japan, India

Barbs can fuck off.

What are projects? Like the campus research project, the tooltip says nothing.

>tfw "theological debates" is just an excuse so they could add lightning shooting magicians in a real world setting

>>158115987
citise use more than 1 amenity though so you needs more than 1 per 4 cities over time

>>158109151
This desu. There is this meme floating around claiming both Civ 4 and 5 sucked until eventual expansions and it's so fucking wrong it's not even funny yet everyone buys into it. Civ 4 BTS is good for the same reason vanilla Civ 4 is good. Civ 5 BNW is bad for the same reason vanilla Civ 5 is bad. All the expansions did was add superficial tacked on features (more in the case of 4, I admit) that in no way made shit games somehow good. So, please. Stop with this meme.

>>158115373

Help me guys. There is no option for that?

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Settling a city in the late game and growing it with a trade route is very viable.
If you are banking enough gold to purchase the housing necessities and a few times, and a couple of workers to power improve shit, it can become useful pretty fast.

>>158116195
A single luxury can't provide more than 1 amenity to a city
You need different luxuries for multiple amenities

>>158116151
It generates a resource (Faith, Science or Gold respectively. Industrial/Military/Harbour are all gold) and also generates the relevant GPP.

>>158116138
>early war as monty
>free builders everywhere

is AI Russia OP? I've played three games with them in so far and seems they grab shitloads of land and never behind in tech by midgame. Maybe they just didn't get taken out early in my games

>>158116201
>Civ 5 BNW is bad
But that's wrong

>>158114954
help!!

>>158116201
>Gods and Kings bad
>BNW bad
I think its just having Alzheimer and not remembering vanilla Civ 5.

>>158116364
No, I am correct. Got anything more to add?

Can I stack a medic, siege tower, and melee unit together or only 2 units?