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/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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>Participate in the current /smtg/ sings:
http://collabedit.com/uvwta
http://pastebin.com/dKLqugTC

>Starter guide
http://i.imgur.com/zJcYpuE.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/sBJjhw7f

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/NqLRYf5n

>OST links
http://pastebin.com/kLbYxjFU

>Misc. translations
http://pastebin.com/pgEWmYfH

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

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>>157828775
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White were right.
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Trustworthy
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>>157930307
White = Casuals
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Stay frosty
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>>157930008
Gun has been an element for a while.

And well, human armies could stock up with Demonicas. The problem is that not too many people are competent at fighting demons, or going full retard thanks to the demons' lies.
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>>157930467
Jack Frost is 2 cute.
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Reminder that Toki is garbage
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>my face when trying to find coffee beans in shinjuku
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I totally spaced out.

Just killed Quetzalcoatl in 4A, is Asahi dead, or did she run off in grief?

>Hal gives a "try not to feel bad" talk.
>Feel like being apathetic is being treated as the "edgy" answer even though the game didn't give me, as the player, any reason to be sentimental about the dad.
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What the fuck is up with apocalypse difficulty hit rate? This isn't fair.
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>>157931351
She got sad since her dad died. She's not dead.

>Feel like being apathetic is being treated as the "edgy" answer even though the game didn't give me, as the player, any reason to be sentimental about the dad.

To be fair, it does give you a reason to feel attached to asahi, and he did raise you from a young age. So you are implied to be close with him to some degree even though the game is bad at stating this. But leave it to megaten to come off too autistic to make you feel attached to characters you are allegedly meant to.
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>>157931308
I dropped that quest.
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What new game do you expect for the NX? Survivor 3? Hackers 2? Strange Journey 2?
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What demon would you kiss?
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>>157931734
Friendship and dancing in Tokyo part 2

Fuck they need to make a REAL smt game for the Wii U or an etrian odyssey. The Wii U is the perfect console for Atlus and they fucking ignored it.
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>>157931734

TMS 2 with Merkabah and Mastema as main characters.

Pls make it happen.

In all seriousness I hope they remake I and II. That would be great
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>>157931734
SMT 5
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>>157931734
Real prediction or dream predictions?

Real prediction:
Persona or some variant, Persona 5 Arena?
Another SMT industry original IP for nintendo

Dream:
SMT spinoff
SMT 1/2 Remake
#FE 2
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>>157931734
SMT x RDR2 for the Nintendo Switch.
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>>157932475
>#FE 2
Nice meme.
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>>157933139
Notice I put it in dream section anon.
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>>157933232
You also put SMT 1/2 Remake in dream section.
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>>157932138
>>157932475
Why there isn't any fanmade remake of the first SMT? adding high resolution 2D art and stuff
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>>157933301
It literally already is anon.
Do you know how to read at all?
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>>157933761
I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
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>>157933862
Do I literally need to make a chart with line by line explanations anon?

Subjects under real predictions are realistic predictions.
Subjects under dream are dream predictions, aka unrealistic never to happen.

You. Are. Retarded.
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>>157934126
I still don't know if you're trolling me. What the fuck are you talking about
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#FE2 confirmed. TMS director got a high expectation about Switch. /smtg/ BTFO.
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>>157934508
Please no.
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>>157934508
What does that say
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>>157934508
>meme_look

Wow
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>>157934813
The Switch is going to be his new favorite console after the Sega Mega-CD.
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>>157934813
Switch made him nostalgic about Sega CD and that he's got a high expectations about it.
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>>157931734
Arguably, everything that isn't made by P-studio.

The best part is that Atlus won't be able churn out games with old 2D assets easily without looking silly. I expect Nocturne or maybe even DDS HD.
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>>157931734
#FE port, sequel of it and SMTV. It'll be literally perfect and enough for me to buy it.
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Are there any downsides to Chaos as a main character?
>Strongest around
>Lucifer and his army suck your dick
>World becomes a never ending SMT game
>Can become a demon if you start slipping
>Every demon girl would want you
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>>157935123
I hope a Nocturne HD version for PS4.
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>>157935235
>#FE port
Nice meme.
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>>157935235
if Atlus are clever then #FE will be old game + new game in one. Mystery of #FE..
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>>157935373
Like a remaster or a remake?
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>>157935340
>second fiddle to some demon, usually Lucy
>you suck Lucy's dick
>every moment is a random encounter
>you look ugly as fuck
>demon girls are S L U T S

Chaos is made to look like you're topdog, you never are. Even DeSu1 Chaos has you being a Bel which probably just serves a high rank in Hell, not top dog.
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>>157935373
you have a pc though
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>>157935387
>pls gib fun games to PS4 too
Everytime.
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>>157935975
DeSu acts like Bel is supposed to be king of all demons, but of course it also has the hidden Lucifer right there who doesn't even care about the Bel title.
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>>157931734
SMT IV HD. Both stories in one game, setting from the original concept art, and maybe flesh out the characters more.
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>>157936206
He even sends Beelz to participate and a few other demons in the remake (Nebiros and someone else I think) to fuck with you and test you.

It's probably him trying to make another strong champion like Demi.
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>>157930312
and he even looks good in a suit
what's not to love about him?
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>>157935975
Lucifer is usually pretty quick to suck Messiah dick
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>>157936619
That he becomes pissy as soon as I decide to not do what he wants.

>>157936751
Only while you're opposing him, as soon as you're done opposing him it's back to fighting a never ending battle with YHVH.

And dying to him in his test. Fucking Demifiend.
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>>157936034
Nocturne already looks pretty good thanks to its art direction.

I'd only be on board of a rerelease if it added more content, gave pierce to Dante and also let us recruit Raidou.
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>>157931734
RAIDOU 3
PLATINUM
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>>157938667
Platinum's jumping on anything nowadays so that wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Macca Beam.
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>>157934824
TMS confirmed LITERAL meme game
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>start playing megaten again
>start questioning if I ever liked the soundtrack of any of the mainline games because they're so fucking weak or straight up bad compared to the spinoffs
Anyone else feel the same?
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>>157940090
No because SMT1, 3, and 4 have some of the best OST's
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>>157938667
RAIDOU 3
YAKUZA TEAM

Seriously they've done two games in ye olde real world japan, and Ishin had gun+sword fighting styles and stupidly in-depth weapon/armor fusion.
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>>157940090
I'd say DDS has the best soundtrack of any megaten.
But nocturne and the snes games have good soundtracks as well in my opinion.
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>>157940090
1, 2 and 4 has some decent tracks.
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>>157940090
Nope. They're all pretty good.
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>>157940090
All of the mainline had pretty nice soundtracks, plenty of catchy songs per game.

Though going before that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ4zvfpcI1M

DDS Megami Tensei 2 soundtrack is fantastic. Expanded famicom soundchip was rad.
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>>157940198
>DDS
>good boss sound track

Nigga, it's way too fucking mellow for a boss fight.
If anything SJ has among the best and it's a fucking DS game.

>tfw we will never get newly made full orchestra SJ music
Why do I even live.
I should kill myself.

Anyone want to use me as fusion fodder?
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In SMT 2 I am trying to see what pillers I have but I dont know how to check for key items.
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Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker is on sale for the 3DS right now.
Do I need to have played the first one to enjoy it?
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"Welcome. What is your wish?"

*flashes pussy*
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>>157940604
>SJ
>Best Soundtrack
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You were trapped! Press X to not die.

Is there any way to avoid this annoyance?
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>>157940826
No.

DeSu1 and DeSu2 are different universes.
There's literally nothing in common and I don't even think they reference each other at all.

The DeSu games seem to finish their stories nicely so they don't bother sequels. DeSu3 if they keep up the trend will also be a complete new universe and cast.

>>157940897
I'll fite you m8.
Mem Aleph final boss theme is great.

In my head it's probably whatever the MC is listening to on their summoning App, which makes sense since the edgier MCs have the edgier soundtracks.
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>>157940604
>using you as fusion fodder with that shit taste and those poor stats
Nah I want my demons to be strong, thank you. I'll take-hee your macca though, punk-ho.
Seriously though, SJ's soundtrack was pretty good but I dunno how you cannot like the rest.
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>>157941043
Thanks for the info.
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>>157941043
Literally only the battle themes are good in SJ
Every other piece is completely forgettable in a mishmash of HEEHOH grunts
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>>157941182
>HEEHOH
>hee ho
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>>157941085
Oh nah, I like DDS tracks a lot but it seems DDS is a little too chill for me especially the boss themes.
I've heard a bit of DDS2 final boss and it sounded good but I have to play it through for a true opinion. Only finished through DDS1.

>>157941182
I'll give you that a lot are boring and I wouldn't listen to actively but they are good at setting the mood.
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>>157941043
Only good themes were chaos boss theme, battle 2, eridanus and the red Sprite.
Rest not that great and doesn't help with repetitiveness of Fornax onwards
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>>157941043
Different person, but SJ's soundtrack is seriously the worst in the series. Every other game at least has handfuls of songs worth listening to outside of the game, and they set the tone and atmosphere just as well without being droning chants.
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>>157940992
Press X.
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>>157941418
Forgot main battle. Only thing is feels like boss theme.
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>You will never be heterosexual battle buddies with Jimenez in a world of STR
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>>157940789
anyone?
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>>157941747
>heterosexual
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>>157941814
Sorry, I'm not sure and I'm not at home.
It'd probably be easier to go to those areas and check which ones you DON'T have.

Have this:
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Pillars_of_Solomon
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>>157941747
Jimenez had such a good half-demon appearance. I kinda wish there were more half-demon characters in the series.
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>>157942430
>Jimenez
>Chaos hero
Who else do we have?
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>>157942430
It only fully worked because Jimenez had a shit ton of demonic tattoos beforehand.

Which is really weird and suspect.
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>>157943019
Demi-Fiend
Nanashi
Nemissa
Hallelujah
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>>157943073
Demi-fiend yea I dont know how I could forgot but the rest barely show any change. I think thats what he meant and is what I meant as welll
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>tfw finally beat SMT IVA
>I can finally shitpost here again

I miss you guys.
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>>157943136
Well, Hitomi changes quite a bit. She gets some sick tats like all the other half-demons.
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>>157943236
I love you too faggot
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>>157943073
Demifiend is only an edgelord in some universes.

The canon Chaos heroes are:
>Chaos Hero SMT1
>Daleth SMT2
>n/a in SMT3, alignments don't exist. Otherwise MC if he does TDE
>SMT4 Walter
>SJ Jimenez
>DeSu1 Naoya
>DeSu2 arguably Alcor

Some from the top of my head.
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>>157943401
He was asking about half-demon characters though, not chaosfags.
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does raidou have alignments? i just finished episode 6 in soulless army and we're finally talking about shaping the world
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>>157943518
Chaos Hero is half demon.
Daleth gets demon poon, does that count?
Demifiend is part/full.
Walter becomes full/part demon.
Jimenez is part demon.
Naoya is as demon as a human can get. Due to his eternal life shit.
Alcor is... An alien. Does that count?
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>>157943659
Nope, alignments are only in Raidou vs King Abaddon.
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>>157943757
weird. i've heard the story isn't as good in that game as the first but the combat is better. i'm enjoying this one so far though, should i get it?
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>>157943401
You forgot about the best chaos hero.

>>157943659
Raidou 1 doesn't, Raidou 2 does.
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>>157943897
Might as well.
I tried Raidou 2 after beating 1 and dropped it after the first boss.

Negotiations interrupting every single battle got on my nerves pretty fast, and the music was worse.
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>>157935975
You say that as if others are better.

>You're not the top dog, but you never -WANTED- to be the top dog a-anyway...
>p-praise Y***...
sourest grapes
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>>157943897
It's definitely worth it. Everything gameplay is improved, from combat to demon investigation stuff to weapon fusions to actual demon negotiations that are better than Nocturne's. Story's not nearly as good or interesting, but still, it's another Raidou game.
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>>157931757
Mermaid.
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I'm trying to finish up the compendium in SMTIVA but I'm having a lot of trouble with the fusion-error only demons.
Any way to get better chances other than having everyone sick and using the -99 luck accessory?
Fusion errors turn up often enough anyway, but I never get the demons I need. Are there any suggested pairings or something?
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>>157946402
You're fusing fouls, right?
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>>157946702
Yup, I'm fusing fouls with whatever other demon gets me an expected result that is the same level as the error demon I'm trying to get. I only managed to get a slime in 2 hours though, everything but zelots or famed comes up. Do I need to use higher level demons for fusion or what?
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>>157946702
>>157946402
This is shit advice

Fuse highest level demon practical
Have all demons higher levelled than that in your stock
Have the error exclusive demons already known in your stock
Have foul slime in your stock

You're less likely to get an error but guaranteed to get what you want
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>>157946998
Any specific suggestions about which demons to fuse? I have a full compendium sans the zelot, undead and famed demons
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>>157930106
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>>157946116
She looks about 11!!!!
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>>157947665
That's exactly in my strike zone, perfect.
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>>157948106
It probably is the hottest age.
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>>157948819
>lewding Alice
Anon, this time you've gone TOO far. Alice is for protecting, not for lewd!

I challenge you to a duel!
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>>157949126
Duel this.
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>>157940090

Smt 2 soundtrack is pretty weak. But 1 is catchy, Nocturne is pretty good and 4 is fantastic.

But yeah, 2. It's just so bland and repetitive. Every song is a 30 second loop. Like what the Christ. And why doesn't YHVH has is own music.
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>buy SMT IV
>buy Devil Survivor 2 3DS
Which one should I play first?
Played about 90 mins of SMT IV so far and I like it.
But I'm not sure if one is massively better/bigger than the other, so I'd like to play the smaller/easier/not as good game first.
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>>157936914
Best fiend.
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who do you guys think had the best development in SMT4: Final? my vote is for Gaston or Asahi
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>>157950687
If you want a better story and overall more content, Devil Survivor 2.
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>>157950687
>people are still buying 3DS games when its easy to hack the whole system and download games directly onto it for free
Anyway, DeSu2 is more of an SRPG and follows a more rigid mission style. SMTIV is more of a more traditional JRPG. A lot of it is down to personal opinion, I don't think either one is vastly different from the other in the ways your list.
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>>157950687
DeSu is faster to play through if you know what you're doing and good at SRPGs. Probably 30-50 hours, it's also easier to pick up and play and drop at regular intervals due to the mission system.

SMT4 is longer especially if you go neutral.

To be honest though DeSu2 is more fun than SMT4 in my opinion so I'd recommend playing through SMT4 first.

>>157950892
I never thought someone would actually consider DeSu2 to have a good story. Then again SMT4...
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>>157950687
Buy and play DeSu 1 first before DeSu 2.
DeSu 1 has a better story, but DeSu 2 improved a lot on the mechanics so it is a bit hard to go from 2 to 1.
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>>157950763
I like how Isabeau develops into a brainwashed cocksleeve.
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Thanks for the input guys, I guess I'm going to check out De Su 2 first for an hour or two.

>>157950926
>>people are still buying 3DS games
Yeah, becase I just got a 3DS a little more than a month ago. It was a gift from a friend I haven't seen in over a year and won't see for another year, possibly more.
So the firmware was already at 10-something.
Besides, I don't care too much paying 15~25€ for a game. Would never pay 40~45€ for a 3DS game, though.

>>157951173
>Buy and play DeSu 1 first before DeSu 2.
Always an option, seeing as it's pretty cheap to get.
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>>157950763
I vote for Gaston.
No one develops his character like Gaston.
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>tfw you were a piratefag when you were younger
>reformed into a buyfag about 3 years ago
>you will never be able to run your physical games and open the file to see your 100% complete files

It triggers my autism...
What if I actually manage to get another gf one day? She'll make fun of my small dick AND my small completion files of physical SMT!
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Does anyone know what Lucifer says if you tell him you fight for "A sublime world with no ambiguity"?
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>>157947521
As high as possible. If you already have everything else, metatron is the highest level standard fusion. Do that, and make sure everything else I listed is in your stock
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>>157951696
Also a word of advice for when playing DeSu 1/2, pump into mag and agi and dance like no one nobody's watching.
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>>157952338
Ag doesn't affect number of hits for dances, it's random.
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>>157952417
yeah, but it increases dodge/hit rate and the chances of starting with an extra turn, which is good since holy dance doesn't hit any weaknesses.
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>>157952321
I'm fusing Metatron and Mitra-Buddha now, just trying to get Mitra-Buddha sick. I summoned all non-special fusion demons upwards of Mot, I hope you're right, thanks senpai
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>>157952417
You need Ag to even crack them early on.

>>157952338
>2
>Ma
Nah.
DeSu 2 actually allows your MC to be wurld of str because of Multi-Strike and other silly shit.
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>>157952103

Something like "Ahaha good answer! Well said! Show me how strong are your ideals!"
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>>157952837
Yeah, but Daichi and Hinako can already make use of that and there are only 2 pierce skills so you might as well give it to either Keita/daichi/hinako/jungo.
Magic on the other hand has way more diversity and is still better than str since nothing in the main game resists almighty.
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>>157953185
No, not really.
You could give Almighty Hit/Multi-Strike/whatever other phys skill you can think of to your physical attackers, just like you can give Dances and amps/boosts to the mages like Fumi/Otome/Ai/etc.

Unlike DeSu1, 2 doesn't actively fuck you over for going St.
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DISTANT YOU MAY BE
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I DON'T WANNA TRY TO FIGHT THIS LOVE
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DRINK OF THE WINE OF THE WRATH OF GOD
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I WANNA BE NEXT TO YOU MY LOVE
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>>157953427
I still think mag MC is better, because with almighty skills you know for sure that you can fight every enemy on the map with your mc.
I know there is a skill that lets you use phys based, but those are pretty late game and with mag you can also hit weaknesses.
All in all I know str is very good in DeSu 2 multi strike is pretty much a party wipe, but I still think you can do way more shit with a mag MC than with a phys MC.
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DEFEND? DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME DEFENDING

O H N O
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>>157954630
Whatever grounds your humans don't cover, you have demons for 'em.
I remember having magic demons for my physical attackers and Da Pengs for my mages.
Seriously Da Peng is fucking busted for a non-unique demon.
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>>157954895
I know, but I like the mc being able to pull his weight no matter what situation he is in and there are a lot of bosses with weaknesses you can exploit.
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>>157953770

How dangerous can it be?
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>>157943401
Daleth isn't a chaos hero, senpai. That's like saying Gary in Pokemon is a chaos hero.
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>>157952321
I will suck your dick for free pham, thank you, you just saved me hours of grinding, I got two famed in 10 minutes.
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DESU 1 IS FINALLY ON SALE
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Also this spooky music is pretty neat.
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>>157955876
>this spooky music is pretty neat.
What? Where?
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>>157955876
Don't forget to go chaos, eventhough all routes are good(except for the obvious bad ending were you pussy out) chaos is objectively the best route in the game.
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>>157950763
I feel that Asahi does. Gaston's development felt too rushed and off-screen for me. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but it seems like Gaston is still only doing it for recognition, only from humans instead of Merkabah the moment Merkabah dissolves his authority. That's still a selfish motive to have.
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>>157956241
On the eshop. Speaking of spooky music the chink better do something with this dump on the 31.
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I have some spare cash after buying Gunvolt, which paid DLC is worth having? I'm guessing Cleopatra but I'm still very early in the game
Or maybe the grind ones?
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>>157930312
Why is he so perfect?
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>>157956528
Law and Chaos are always best, Neuterish is always the worst.
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>>157956856
>>157936619
>>157930312
Any of you cool guys got that "I can be your demon or your angle" image?
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>>157931734
I would put all my money on Devil Survivor 3 with the demon models from P5. I'm 100% certain that this will happen.
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>>157957225
God i hope not, I love SMT and most RPGs in general but i can't stand SRPGs like DeSu or FF Tactics
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>>157956856
>He did everything in his power to help his master Akira even after Akira died.
>sealed the archangels, there by causing relative peace in Mikado for a millenia and a half.
>Instead of staying in Mikado and living in peace he goes to tokyo to keep watch of the demons
>Helps you out when you are in midtown
>Is totally fine with you going against the lords wishes by going neutral
Truly the most loyal and trustworthy of angels.
Mastema is the greatest ally humanity could ever wish for.
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>>157957109
I don't have it but you can have this Mastema instead.
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>>157957497
Did you play DeSu, I am not a fan of srpgs either, but I really enjoyed DeSu, because it was a mix between a regular and a Srpg?
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>>157957225
>Yasuda tits in HD
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>>157956759
The Halloween theme of last year was GOAT.

I got the CSS and still have that color scheme to this day. But I miss my dancing skeleton buddies.
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>>157957109

Here.
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>>157958458
The filters were great too.
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>>157957692
Played both on 3DS, finished all route including the new one on record breaker
I'm okay with the usual combat but that grid movement and planning for each character was what i hate the most because once you fuck up there's no turning back
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>>157957497
Same, I don’t play srpgs but Desu is the only exception, they're more on the rpg side anyways.
>>157957865
>What is Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth
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>>157957865
>yasuda tits
No thanks
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>>157958768
This image makes me feel incredibly upset.
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>>157959117
What's the problem? The waifus, the Nokia or the Yamato in Hibiki's clothing?
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>>157959194
meant for >>157959089
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>>157959194
The subs and the shameless reuse of DeSu2's designs.
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>>157959426
>the subs
but anon look at this quality
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>>157959194
Calling Bunny, by his eternally depressed and woe is me edgelord anime version is the real problem here.
You should get banned for even mentioning him.
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>>157959527
To be honest, the game is so full of otaku pandering that there are little ways to work around a localization overseas that makes sense.

So in short, the game's writing is trash.
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>>157931734
>Hackers 2
Don't play with my emotions, you fucking bastard.
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personafag lookin to get into main series reporting in

where do i start?

whats the persona 4 of mainline smt?
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>>157960675
SMT 4 apocalypse.
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>>157960675
Start with SMT IV and then move onto Apocalypse.
See the imgur starter guide link in the OP as well.

Speaking of the starter guide, is that gonna get updated anytime soon?
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Does Chaos World disappear after beating lucifer/merkabah? I don't want to lose access to some of these demons for fusing like naraku.
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Who is the most autistic SMT character?
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is doom cover anon still alive? I miss him
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SMT newfag here, is TMS any good on its own or as a starting point for the series? i only have a Wii U and PC
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>>157961365
I don't even know if you retards mean the mainline or MegaTen when you say "SMT" anymore.
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>>157961638
test it out, some friends said its alright.
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>get back from work
>remember it's Toki day 2

It's almost time
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>>157960940
You can go back to Naraku. After you defeat merkebah I think.
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>>157961824
moar smug pls
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>>157955730
He literally is, he was created to be a Chaos hero.
Zayin was created to be the Law hero.

Like it's not up for debate, they were created in a lab to be an alignment. Daleth was MADE to be the bad guy, and he also shows up in the Chaos end as well.
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>>157961860
and chaos world?
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>>157960940
Once you defeat both bosses the chaos world demons appear throughout all of ichigaya, only exception is the demon horde but that appears on the overworld
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>>157961824
soon, lining nanashi now
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>>157962515
That expression's gonna make a great reaction image.
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The music in DeSu is so groovy, damn, I wish I had an autistic Asian roommate that likes to break dance to this.
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>>157962591
jesus christ what anime is that
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>>157962591
Her tits get bigger every time i see them
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>>157962515
SWEET [RECORD SCRATCH] IT'S EVOLVING!
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>>157963124
Occultic Nine, the anime with the worst first episode ever, but absolutely stunningly GORGEOUS Boob animation.
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>>157963124
Boku no massive tits.
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>>157962591
How would you feel if the next SMT spinoff had a girl with tits that big
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>>157963278
>spinoff
SMT V will have huge, milky cowtits, trust me, Kaneko is my cousin.
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>>157963410
Sweet
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>>157962591
I'm not Asian but I do spasm to DeSu music at night when no ones awake. Shit's great.
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>>157963278
Tiamat's tits are probably bigger if you add them all together.
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>>157956528
I actually liked the LAW ending in the original DeSu

last night I played a bit of the 8th day on overclocked for the first time holy shit fuck multistrike
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>>157962515
Damn she's getting so smug
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>>157963840
I am not saying the LAW ending is bad, I think it is one of the better law endings, but chaos is just straight up better.
Also I don't like some of the implications of the law ending.
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>>157962591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10v_PKWK-L8
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>>157931757
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>>157961764
i'm about to buy it digital, if this is a bad idea someone should stop me
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>>157935975
Bel has an entire court in hell and all the other courts are contractually obligated to hand over their demon courts as troops regardless of religion or faith unless he goes Messiah, then Okuninushi or Amaterasu can turn him down.

Bel once ruled the entire world you fucking idiot.
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>>157936206
Lucifer can't be a Bel cause he has no Bel inside him. Plus he knew Belberith was doomed to failure because he's a loser.
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>>157931757
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>>157957562
Wait where is it said he's Akiras demon?
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>>157965074
TAKE THE POO TO THE LOO KRISHNA
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>>157965074
Need to poo?
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>>157955730
>Gary
>Not a Chaos Hero
He even wants to suck Reds dick in the updated sequel.
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>>157965232
artbook, Akira's canon team was Aeshma, Minotaur and Mastema.
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>>157965398
Which one?
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>>157965557
The one for apocalypse.
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>>157965074
STOP
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>>157965398
>nanashi is the reincarnation of akira
>can't use two of his demons
Bravo atlus
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Okay after playing both SMT IV and apocalypse, I totally fell in love with the OST.
I love it so much that I just can't choose which one I like the best.
I am really liking these two at the moment.
Post your favorite megatan ost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZYr7VxsHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KrFxq60lh8
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>>157966738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xj9svzymbo
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>>157960675
>>157960738
>>157960932

It'd recommend just starting with Apocalypse. It'll spoil the hell out of SMTIV, but it's probably the closest thing mainline SMT ever got to Persona.
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>>157935235
>Enhanced #FE port.
>Can fast-forward sessions

perfect game
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>>157964536

I dunno. In DeSu's law ending, not only will solve the super natural crisis, you also move on to fix the problems of the worlds, without eliminating free will or something (like the characters explicitly talk about lower crime rates and how they feel much more secure and peaceful now). In the Chaos ending, the super natural crisis is solved, and heaven's forces won't be a threat to Earth anymore, but nothing is really done about the "real" world, which is pretty much left the same as before after Abel leaves with his demons to face the heaven's forces elsewhere.
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>>157966738
I really like DDS and Raidou's soundtracks.
https://youtu.be/vNZcHrpX3eQ
https://youtu.be/u8xC-_6IvLk
https://youtu.be/1DM2X9eV9U8
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>>157931734
>want a new megaten spinoff
>know that it's going to be just more #FE shit
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>>157967491
Yeah, but I am not really fond of LAW, because it seemed to me like YHVH was just using you to increase his influences with you as his messiah he has gained controll over both demons and angels and now you have to go through a crusade and fight regional and pagan gods for the control over their country.
Also it seems kinds suspicious that the Abel favored son of god was cast in to hell and suddenly became a bel.
It felt like I was playing right into his plan for complete domination over mankind.
Also I didn't like the fact that their rule enforcement was you either obey or die by the hands of the angels.
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>>157931947
oh boo fucking hoo, fuck you stupid faggot

"Waah how dare an SMT game have an happy ending!"
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>>157968046
#FE2 electric boogaloo now with 200% more idol songs Featuring Bayonetta from Bayonetta series.
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krishna's toot effects are amazing
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>>157965398
Im still sad that we can't fuse the Minotaur. It's one of my favorite demons in SMT.

Unrelated, but does anybody have that image of Krishna being forced to eat hot dogs by the other divine powers? I thought I saved it a few threads back and it's not on the booru.
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>>157966212
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You guys ready for SMT V on the Switch?
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>“We’re excited to be supporting the Nintendo Switch and believe the games we publish are a perfect fit for the portable nature of the console.” – Atlus representative
It's over, Nintendo won mainline for themselves. Are you ready to buy Switch?
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soon
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>>157971308
As soon as I saw the trailer, I already knew I'd have to buy it sometime in the future.
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>>157964636
It sounds a lot like a certain Red Hot Chili Peppers song. The beat, at least. Forgot which one it was.
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>>157971405
crits on the dick
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>>157971308
Maybe in a decade or so.
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>>157970123
You mean this one?
It s the closest one I have.
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>>157971405
Nice shine on the hair
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>>157970123
This the one?

>>157971405
Bonus points if you also put the Smirk icon floating somewhere near her head.
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>>157971308
Source?
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>>157971789
Google it fuccboi
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>Get YHVH to eye blinking state
>Oh god how much more could there possibly be
>He wipes my whole team with supernova

FUCK

WHAT DEMONS DID YOU NIGGAS USE FOR THIS SHIT BECAUSE THAT WAS SOME STRAIGHT UP BULLSHIT
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>>157971646
What's the story behind this image?
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>>157971646
Not it, but saved it anyways. Im amazed at all of the art on pixiv for Krishna but there's 0 for Odin, which is disappointing because he's one of the best new designs.

>>157971537

Thats it! Thanks anon.
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>>157971875
I had Odin, Matador, and Alliat, plus mastema and shiva on the bench to replace the ones who died/lost
Doping is required as is magaon
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>>157971646
here you go, now that toki is done I can focus on nanashi and getting the goop all right.
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So what was the deal with ancient of days and Sanat are they like small time compared to YHVH?
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Did they increase the consecutive battle rate of hordes? I swear I just fought a Naga horde 7 times in one battle that was so fucking tiring
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>>157972416
>Toki smirking at your little Mara
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>>157973223
*unzips STR*
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>>157971993
I got pic related from the booru that the drawthread on /v/ uses. Surprisingly good.

>>157971942
Cannot read mystic script, but know someone who does. They should get back to me in a bit. But from what I can tell, it's Krishna eating a hamburger with Nanashi, loving the taste, running to spread the good word about hamburgers to others, then trips and falls, and stares at the spilled hamburger in horror.

>>157972416
Nice, thanks.
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>>157973182
At least hordes give you a shit ton of EXP. They're great for grinding.
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>>157971993
>>157973441
Shit, forgot I had the Odin pic attached, and overwrote it, my bad.

Here's that Odin I was going to post. Enjoy.
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here ya go!
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>>157973926
I don't get it
is poppy seed bad?
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>>157975124
They're pretty good
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>>157975096
>lipstick on the dick
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>>157975096
Good shit mate. You really did improve on the faults from yesterday. What's your plan for Toki Friday?
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>>157976094
intercourse if I'm feeling better, guess drinking all that coffee to keep me awake yesterday wasn't healthy. Gonna rest and hope to try not to feel bad tomorrow.
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Who do you have the rooftop chat with in the Law ending of SMT1? As far as I can tell nobody on Youtube has ever gone law in this game.
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>>157976418
Rad shit my man.
Coffee is for faggots though, just drink energy drinks if you're not a weak body
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>>157976560
>Coffee is for faggots
Go away you're not my friend
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>>157976670
Iced coffee is GOAT though. I just hate hot coffee. Coffee also makes me shit, while energy drinks give me sustinence and hatred while sacrificing my heart's health.
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>>157975096
noice
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>>157977041
POO
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>>157977041
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>>157971308
You actually think Atlus still give a fuck about SMT? He was talking about Persona.
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pascal was here
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>>157940880
Spirit doesn't give a fuck.
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>>157975096
Amazing.
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>>157971308
You're deluded if you think any third-party game other than maybe Monster Hunter will be Switch-exclusive. If SMT goes to Switch it will also go to PS4.
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>>157978572
>yfw SMT V is still on 3DS
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is raidou going to be ok?
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>>157978969
You can't port a 3DS game to the PS4. On the other hand, porting a Switch game to the PS4 requires literally no effort as a Switch is just a weaker Bone.
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>it actually takes MORE button presses to figure out what you can fuse in II than the first game
???
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So why don't we just kill the demons
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>>157979395
The Switch won't even get third-party exclusives, for third parties is a glorified down-port dumping ground.
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>>157979778
Like PC?
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>>157979778
>a Nintendo console won't get third-party exclusives
What a shocker
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>>157979836
No, PC is for UP-ports. The Switch is an slightly weaker Bone.
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>>157979904
>what is bayonetta
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>anarchy ending
I can't do it smtg. Navarre is too much of a bro and Asahi is too much of a best doggo. I can't choose between them or hurt them.
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>>157980256
just make navarre your goddess
give him the love he deserves
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>>157980256
Asahi is already dead no matter which route you picked
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>>157980256
>save your friends
>save the universe
The choice is clear, kid.
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>>157980034
Post Krishna's cock you ninny. I dare ya.
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https://en.shindanmaker.com/665853
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>>157980997
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>>157980551
>Implying NSHI won't just become Neo New DJ Kami.
>Having empathy for people when you killed everyone

Its still status quo.
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>>157980997
>>
What's a good combination of demons to get Corpse out of a fusion error in SMT4A?
I got every other fusion error demon by fusing metatron and mitra-buddha while having every other high level demon summoned, but I can't get that one for some reason and it's the only one I'm missing for 100%.
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>>157980997
It all makes sense now.
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>>157981432
It was a necessary sacrifice.
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>>157981506
>fear of thunder
>weak to zio
It's like pottery
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>>157982394
worf worf
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>>157982394
>clumsiness, thighs

>>157982525
>legs, maniacal laughter

>>157982663
>popularity, loyalty
This is getting too accurate
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>>157982394
this amuses the bork
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>>157983172
>smile low
>ruses high
Shesha flynn confirmed
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>>157981506
>older sister
>eroge
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>That final boss fight

I've never been so mad at a gimmick fight in my life before. Why the fuck did it become easier when Flynn and pals died?
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Is Life Surge worthwhile on Satan?
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>>157980997
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>>157983483
Much easier on Massacre ironically. Satan > Walter, Jonathan and Isabeau combined
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>>157983783
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www
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>Skip Beach DLC to kick Mephisto's ass
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Is smt 3 on the psn any good?
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>>157984027
Never gonna get more perfect than that
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>>157983668
Fuck it, I'll post my choices. Currently have the following in mind.
>Megiddo Ark
>Energy Drain
>Almighty Pleroma
>Mediarahan
>Invitation
>Doping
>Luster Candy
>Debilitate
Thinking of trying to fit in Life Surge and Magaon
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>>157984083
LOOKING THROUGH MY EYES
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>>157984339
it was a busy day
very popular
for sightseeing
but to tell you the truth
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>>157984467
>Lying

Seems about right
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I just hit the second odin fight in SMT4A, where's the best place to farm/grind demons at? Don't have any good wind guys and he just owns me in two turns.
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we wuz kangitens
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>appetite
How did the japs know
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>>157984821
Kangiten scares me

Fucking gay elephants
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>>157930106
yumiko best waifu

they should remix more music from the original games, they tend to only do SMT1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd3zX-acIoo
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>>157984335
>no concentrate
I do not like this
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>get to En no Ozuno in Twisted Tokyo
>told he's one of the hardest fights in the game
>he's weak to phys
>FUCKING PHYS
>he doesn't do shit to debuffs expect max out his defense and hit/evade
>dekaja it
>peacock whatever misses like crazy
My only issue is that I'm running out of Chakra pots and have only one great Chakra.

I think I'll make a buffed up Matador, that outta fuck this guy up hard.
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>>157985213
oh and let's not forget this theme also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwlvJ9vsGsU
arguably one of the best battle themes in the whole series
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>>157985771
yeah matador just wipes the floor with him, he even learns passive pierce.
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>>157985771
He's not hard

He's just annoying

He will keep casting his maximum buff and delay your damage with Dekaja, Peacock and whatever
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>>157984652
>>157985771
I got to ten rounds on David and didn't go back in.
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>>157985771
Honestly, I struggled more with Flynns horde in the Messiahs DLC.
En no Ozuno just had a shit ton of health, that's about it.
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Some please help me I can't stop humming SMT I's overworld theme.
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>>157984652
bump
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>>157971471
Mang, now I hear it too. But only at the beginning.
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>>157986257
Here, hum this one instead.
http://youtu.be/bQ4NXkAgYU8
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>>157978969
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>>157983783
>fujoshi
>maid fetish
>OHOHO ~

This makes me hard.
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>>157987253
Why is Isabeau so degenerate
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>>157987535
Failed waifubait attempt. Funny considering the VA also does Marie.
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>>157987578
>VA also does Marie.
>english VA
>mattered

She's Elizabeth
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>>157987535
She's our girl after all.
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>search Nemissa on google
>first page has some obese fetish porn

why
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>>157984652
Anybody?
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>>157987813
Jenna is our girl.
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>>157985493
I don't really use my demons for damage. Only reason for Megiddo Ark is to use during the occasional smirk, and because it's iconic.
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>>157987860
Cu Chulain
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>>157987902
>girl
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>>157987846
no one cares about SH so anything can be drawn
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Am I the only one who interpreted the Bonds ending as YHVH never returning? Unlike II, he said he will slip from the people's minds and they will regret it when they would beg for salvation. Seems like he can't return this time since he got demonized, at least to me.
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>>157988070
The power of observation.

Everyone shares that pic so much to gross out at it, that it became one of the most popular Nemissas.
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>>157988292
If I draw enough Nemissas, what happens
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>>157988235
Who fucking cares SMT V will be a reboot
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>>157987846
Try pixiv, buddy.
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>>157988360
You go on a vision quest
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>>157987971
>Cu Chulain
What do you mean?
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>>157988360
Your best friend will be possessed by a lewd demon.
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>>157988475
He has a strong wind attacks and not weak against lightning
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>>157988391
I sure hope so. It would be very anticlimactic to go from killing YHVH for the first time in decades to SMT V being about picking Lucifer or God's butler, or killing them both.
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>>157988050
And I bet she has a bigger penis than yours.
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>>157988608
I bet you're right.
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>>157940826
No it's not. Why are you lying?
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>>157988575
Odin still pierces every turn anyways, how do you fuse him for high levels? I'm 77 atm, know any good places to farm?
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>>157955876
Are you fucking retarded? Why the fuck would you say this again? The game is not on sale you fucking moron.
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>>157957097
Law and Chaos are both dogshit, especially in SJ you dumb faggot.
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Jesus christ the hordes in IVA are fucking brutal
I just got annihilated by 3 consecutive Jack Unions
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>>157990210
instant kills work
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>>157990530
Wait really?
Fuck I should've kept Mahama
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>>157975096
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remove dek- skills
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Okay I completely love Apocalypse's gameplay, but the plot, good YHVH the plot.

I mean I very rarely choose law or chaos because they're both full of massive assholes but I'd honestly prefer a game where they're the only option with no neutrality instead of Apocalypse's be a massive edgelord or worship the power of friendship choices.

It feel likes it trying to be a Persona game and a mainline game at the same time and is failing at both.
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>>157990759
Yes only Silent Prayer allowed that would be balanced right?
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>>157990759
Nah in SMT5 they have an almighty skill that removes enemy buffs, deals damage which increases the more buffs they have set-up, and fully debuffs them and hits them with every single ailment.
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>>157991918
And gives you extra turns.
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Since we're getting the game on December 2nd how long did it take for Yanks to get powersave codes after IVA came out?
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>>157992162
And vanilla IV smirk.

YHVH's third form is the only one who has it and you have to beat all alignments to get it
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If multiple demons use Imposing Stance, does the enemy lose multiple press turns?
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I can't believe I held off on Nocturne for so long, it's so good. I've only played SJ up to this point and I was planning on playing IV next but Nocturne was cheaper so I went for it. It seems like chakra drops and macca are a lot easier to come by in Nocturne, at least compared to what I remember in SJ. I did enjoy the item management aspect of SJ but I don't mind one less thing to worry about.
Is there anything I should keep in mind while playing? I just got to Shibuya and I'm running around the mall, for reference.
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>>157993489
If you want to do True Demon Ending, finish the amala labyrinth before finishing the final dungeon.
Sukukaka/kunda are very powerful
Phys is better but magic build still works and is pretty fun.
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Thinking of doing a physical build in SMT4. What stats should I focus every level?
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>>157994538
Str only affects the basic physical attack in Vanilla IV, so Dex, I guess.
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the white were right
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>>157994538
Dexterity and luck with a bit of agility on the side.
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Is the drawfag still here, I got another request if you aren't too busy. Its another not lewd pic
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>>157995375
I'm not the usual drawfag but I can draw.
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>>157995375
>not lewd

For what purpose?
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>>157995427
I want Asahi
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>>157995427
Well, if you'd like to do it, I don't mind who takes it on.

I was playing Ice Climbers in melee cause I wanted to git gud. I want them drawn, but Jack Frost as Popo and Pyro Jack as Nana doing this move, so it looks like a fire and ice thing
Pyro uses his lantern instead of a hammer
Here's a reference if you need it
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>No Lilith fusion in Final, even her none spider form
I find this odd considering she is usually in every SMT game. I guess they didn't want her in because she had a moderate role in IV or something.
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Where's a good place for endgame grinding? I already beat record scratch and the fiends but I want to fill out the compendium
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>>157996627
>no Gabriel
>no Michael
>no Raphael
>no Uriel
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>>157996627
no, they didn't want to redraw her
guest artist demons all got scrapped unless they got Doi to redraw, which was only a couple
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>>157997023
Couldn't they just take the older games sprites and artwork and not make them plot related?
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>>157997136
No
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>>157996952
2nd brane yhvh universe
Don't do 3/4 branes because metatrons take too long to fight unless you drop the difficulty
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChkMHPP8rv0
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>>157992231
>using Powersave
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Should I trash my DDS Alice since she doesn't have a full moveset? I guess skill augment will never give her the final one.
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English Dagda feels like a completely different character compared to the original.
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>>157984207
>fist magic
>huge yaoi hands
all of my kek
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>>157999910
You thought that he couldn't get worse, but they found a way.
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>>157988590
>I sure hope so. It would be very anticlimactic to go from killing YHVH for the first time in decades to SMT V being about picking Lucifer or God's butler, or killing them both.

Its too late for that now. SMTV will be anticlimactic. Accept it.
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>>157979041
best part of the game
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SMTIV:A on Apocalypse difficulty

What level should I be at for 7/8th moon and what I assume to be the final dungeon (cosmic egg)?
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>>158001163
>apocalypse difficulty
99

Fuck artificial difficulty
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>>157973926
I love poppy seed muffins.
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>>158001163
>apocalypse difficulty

150.
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>>158001405
>>158001285
Fuck me are you serious?

Granted the Merkabah/Lucifer was pretty insane but I still managed quite well at 80. Figure that's about right since a side quest I did, Izanami was like 77? Or something.
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>>157982794
No fucking way
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>>158001587
Just get the item DLC goyim :^)

Level doesn't matter
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>>158001862
Nah come on be serious here, I can't change the difficulty and I'm already 65 hours deep in. Come on now.
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Hey look, its a picture of dagda's true form.

Oh wait, no. Its fucking nothing. There's nothing there. Its freaking wind. These contrived excuses for endings in iva are pissing me off.
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>>158002297
Dagda is reincarnated as P5 MC ;)
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>>157988235
That's more him saying that they'll turn back to him as a concept for it since otherwise they'd just have to accept bad things happen for no reason, their life might not have meaning, and they'd fear their own mortality without knowing about an afterlife. There's no way humanity just goes along with that and doesn't think up a YHVH-like concept to explain it, otherwise that world's kinda shit.
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>>157988235
>>157988590
Regardless of the implications of the endings, Apocalypse is a side story anyway. IV and its Neutral end are still canon, Apocalypse is just another possibility of how things could have gone down.
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>>158003463

TIME TO BURN MY BREAD KID
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>>157988235
There's no such thing as "never returning" for any demon. YHVH doesn't need people to remember "yhvh" to return. If they desire the form of salvation that he is the embodiment of, it can coalesce back into either him, or a close analogue of him.
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>>157988391
And will be on available only on 3ds
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>>158004463
Doesn't change that it ruined some great characters. At best I'll allow that its an alternate universe which is similar but distinct from IVs.
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If dagda is the wind, does that mean if I aim a fan into my asshole that we're having sex?
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>>157999910
You could say that for pretty much every english SMT character
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>>158004553
>SHOWTIME BOYO
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Please to sending of the help.

I spent awhile levelling my Devil Survivor party to 99 so I could blitz the last ending (I think it's the last one anyway), but now I'm too powerful to fight Jezaboul without killing Flower Girl in one shot.
Need weakening tips please.
This game has quite a few dialogue options and routes, or at the very least it excels at making you feel like it has them.
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>>158006878
Go to the store and buy a weaker demon there and when fighting only attack with that one?
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>>157946116
What? How is this a thing?
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>>158007170
She has scales covering her nipples in kind of a pseudo bra shape.

Besides. The game is rated M. So any censoring they consider enough is enough. Since they have monsters that are fully erect penises, they obviously don't mind having things that raise the rating level. Even if they never have regular characters just openly nude. So here you have a vaguely covered boob. How wouldn't it be a thing?
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>>158006952
It seems I can just barely manage to scrape by if I remove all my powerups and big demons, but I'm cutting it a little close here.

Unrelated, but the Mind Amane's are pretty hot.
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>>158007594
Amane is always pretty hot. She just has on a shitty headband that makes it hard to realize it. Since its a similar color as her hair I legitimately didn't even realize it was a headband until I played overclocked years after the original. Imagine how bizarre you think her hair looked when imagining that the headband is meant to be wierd anime hair spikes? Without that she's decent.
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>>158007745
I never really thought about what it was. Now that you mention it though, it does kinda look out of place.
Well that is, until you actually get a proper look at her outfit and realise she just has weird taste.
I thought the spiky part was cute.

The Mind Amane's unzipped robe really adds to the sex appeal though.
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Why am I so bad at this series? SJ is my first game and I'm already getting my ass kicked on the second floor of the first sector.
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>>158008178
>starting with SJ

Anon, that's the hardest game in the series.
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>>158008178
>starting with SJ

What level you at and what do you have?

General protip is to abuse the weaknesses and keep aligned team for all-out attacks.
You should get access to Relax Spray App very early, buy it and never turn off.
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>>158008178
That'll happen.

At this early in the game, advice like using buffs/debuffs, etc. isn't applicable, so the best thing you can do is fuse demons. If you don't have a full party, make sure you do, and if you notice there's a weak link, fuse it with something. Recruit a lot of demons so you have enough material. Plus use all-out attacks like other anon said.

In general, try not to leave an area until you can hold your own against any of its random encounters.
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>>158008165
>tfw at some point people maybe Sol or some other lewdfag might draw Mind Amane
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What's the best ending to get on a first run of Devil Survivor?
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>>158008539
Regular, or overclocked. If overclocked, amane's. It has by far the most in depth and complete story. The only other ones with eighth days are yuzu's which's eighth day content is jsut the seventh day content of other routes, and naoya's which has more or less no additional plot, but licks his balls so much its annoying.
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>>158008293
I thought people said that because of Ouroboros just being a really hard. I watched some guy on Youtube solo Demiurge which the wiki says is this game's "ultimate boss" and all he did was shoot it a lot while healing occasionally if he got low. It looked easy enough.
>>158008334
>What level you at and what do you have?
Level 6 with all base gear you get from the start. My only demons are moonman, a Tangata thingy, and a pixie which is awesome for healing. My entire team is so weak they all drop like flies, like I can't finish a battle without having someone dead and the rest nearly critically injured.
>>158008412
It's a pain in the ass to get more demons though because they try to sap my HP and money all the time.
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>>158008612
Regular.
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>>158008760
Gin's route will make you into a man.
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>>158008712
>I thought people said that because of Ouroboros just being a really hard. I watched some guy on Youtube solo Demiurge which the wiki says is this game's "ultimate boss" and all he did was shoot it a lot while healing occasionally if he got low. It looked easy enough.

Ouroborous isn't the only hard boss. Its the first hard boss. The bosses get harder after.

Youtubers who are easily blasting away ultimate bosses are on 2nd or even 3rd playthroughs at level 99 with the best demons in the game. They are overlevelled in ways it takes twenty hours past the end boss to get to and which you will never be. Seeing how fast they blow away bosses is not accurate to what you will be doing.
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>>158008760
Still amane's. Its the best route.
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>>158008712
>It's a pain in the ass to get more demons though because they try to sap my HP and money all the time.
You'll make it up quickly enough once you start being able to handle battles better. If you have to, walk around close to a healing spot or the ship while you're trying to recruit. If I remember right, the ship still lets you heal for free at this point in the game, so take advantage of that.
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>>158008786
>>158008857
Hmm.
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>>158008956
It depends whether you like being bored out of your mind or not. The common staple of all megaten games is that "neutral" routes tend to have boring staple endings that are all interchangeable because all their content is the same. "the fight ended you win good job." Whereas the other endings have much more interesting stuff going on. For instance, in gin's route you are never even told the backstory as to what naoya's deal is. Its hinted at in naoya's own ending, but you are told the full story in amane's.
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>>158008712
Fuse, also flaming section has demons around high single digits to low 10s.
Fuse a lot anon.
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>>158009067
I'll go with Amane then.
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>>158009292
Also forma. Get when you can.
Plus converse with demons if you can't fight a lot.
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>>158002116
No one is kidding, I played SMT IV on war and I was lvl 99, by the time I got to the final boss, eventhen I had to switch it back to conflict, because I am a chump and the final boss kept oneshotting my party.
Before that fight I never switched back the difficulty for any of the fights I even had to resort to that full party heal item you can get from st germain and I never used any of his items up untill that point.
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>>158008539
Chaos don't listen to these chumps they are just waifuloving lawfags.
Chaos is objectively the best route in the game it is so good that even the resident lawfag Amane joins you.
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>>158010303
That's only in overclocked. They said they were playing regular.

Besides. That's only on one of the routes. The pussified "i want the aesthetics of chaos without the content" route. Whereas naoya sides with you by the end of amane's in overclocked inherently.
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>>158010503
Go away betatron.
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>>158010503
>i want the aesthetics of chaos without the content"
If becoming king of the demons, kicking betatrons shit in and going to war with god isn;t chaos then what is chaos anon?
Does humanity have to suffer for it to become chaos?
Also law is stupid you become the one true bel the one who rivaled god, the king who dominates over all demons just so that you can play right into his plan to become his bitch, so that he has total dominion over humans, angels and demons.
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>>158011216
>If becoming king of the demons, kicking betatrons shit in and going to war with god isn;t chaos then what is chaos anon?

Which of those things are chaos? Like, the actual ideology of chaos put into practice. You listed a few events. If you're not even bringing chaotic ideology to the world its basically just pussy chaos by people who can't stand up for their ideology. You get rid of yhvh and the angels on yuzu's end too. So why go through this trouble?

>Also law is stupid you become the one true bel the one who rivaled god, the king who dominates over all demons just so that you can play right into his plan to become his bitch, so that he has total dominion over humans, angels and demons.

Oh no. Making earth peaceful is a bad ending because the person who founded the organization you are in is not even that bad a dude, but an analogue of him in a different universe is an asshole. Better cancel world peace then.
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>>158011334
He's still an asshole in DS, he set up Cain to be the first murderer.
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>>158011334
I wouldn't call disobeying or die by the angels hand world peace it is just a stealth dictatorship.
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>>158011216
Yes, humanity absolutely has to suffer for it to become chaos, because they're weak. Protecting them from YHVH and the demons by only using demons to fight YHVH is not survival of the fittest at all, that may as well be Neutral.
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>tfw law is always shit
>even in SMT1 Gaians did absolutely nothing wrong
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>>158011398
That's bullshit, Cain could've easily flexed free will and not killed his own fucking brother for such petty reasons, or at least be sorry for doing it.
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>>158011417
Then play the game to find out its real content instead of what you apparently think its content is.

>>158011398
He killed a few people as part of some abstract scheme for greater peace. That's not quite the same.
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>>158008478
>>158008165
I'll be honest. I'm glad we finally have a drawfag in here again. I miss Lesser and the other ones, hope we don't become fucking stupid and shove Sol out like what happened to them.
Here's a scenario: Overlord Abel and Mind Amane doing it
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The real issue with DeSu is why can't mc fuck yuzu's tits while calling her a bitch?
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>>158011826
Who gives a shit about Yuzu?

I wanna bone Shoji.
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>>158011912
>tfw Shoji lewds exist in single digits i.e. 0
>tfw Sol is actually decent at drawing, and we haven't turned on him yet, hopefully never
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>>158012023
Gonna summon a demon to eat your sorry ass alive, punk.
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>>158011697
>Then play the game to find out its real content instead of what you apparently think its content is.
Then what happend anon, enlighten me, because the angels clearly were going to execute that thug if it weren't for you steppping in
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>>158012101
>>
>playing DDS 1
>at Solids base past the gas room
>random encounters have a chance to completely wreck my shit

Should I grind? Im levels 14/13/13
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>>158012454
I found random encounters in DDS to be more difficult than boss fights sometimes.
You can afford to go all out on the bosses, but not random encounters but they can still ruin your day with mudo or status effects.
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>>158012129
That's not the peace. That's the process of getting rid of the comps and dangerous elements. After you reform a country you move on, and the angels follow you. Angels don't stay around to threaten thugs with death forever. That's just because certain dangerous people need their comps taken as fast as possible.
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>>158012653
>japanese angel soldiers
>MUTE BLOW MUTE BLOW MUTE BLOW

Teeth tits can't take this
>>
https://aqiu384.github.io/smt4a-tool/

Is the link working for anyone else?
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>>158012824
The angels killed a petty thief, for stealing.
You might as well say that every criminal deserves the death sentence.
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>>158013139
downforeveryoneorjustme.com
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I can't take Cleopatra anymore, /smtg/.

She always targets my healers first.
She always gets rid of my buffs and debuffs.
She always charms me.
She's just a real cunt all around.
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>>158013338
Giver her the Andalusia.
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>>158013338
D O P I N G
O
P
I
N
G

Also she doesn't have pierce during the fight so put repel light on your healers
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>>158013162
I'm not sure if you're trying to be stupid on purpose, but there's an actual line in that scene where the angel tells you that they didn't kill him for the theft he did just now, but rather the theft was indicative of the overall state of his life. The brand of death shows you which people are so dangerous that leaving them on their current trajectory would cause more suffering than their death. Which it so happens that since lethal demonic force is so dangerous, criminal getting ahold of it means that they can and will be killing people in the process of otherwise more mundane crimes. So to kill them causes less all around suffering. But the angels are okay with you getting rid of the brand of death without killing them as well. Because either way the problem is solved. But they warn not to be too lenient if there's no other way.

The angels leave tokyo when you do. They aren't sitting around killing people for petty crimes forever.
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>>158013410
I have many times, fampai.

>>158013441
>she doesn't have pierce
Wait, really?
Guess that explains why I'm never getting the pierced message during the fight.

Knowing this, I must now fuse the ultimate Krishna.
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>>158011510
SMT2 Law is objectively best ending.

>not bro'ing it up with Zayin in a tagteam to punish everyone's creator because he BROKE THE LAW

Literally best alignment in the game.
Sure a couple thousands or more die but... ZAYIN!
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>>158013654
What would make a good Metatron? I only got Concentrate, Fire of Sinai, Draconic Reaction, Almighty Pleroma, and Repel Elec
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>>158016493
>draconic reaction on a magic user
Give light pleromas and judgement light
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>>158016803
Fire of Sinai is a mulit-hit move, so I figured it would help.
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>Die For Me! Alice is actually viable on IVA instead of a gimmick

What a time to be alive
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>>158018121
She was viable in IV as well, you just needed to give her a bunch of elements instead.

Now she's legitimately one of the top tier demons, best dark user in the game. Better than Mephisto if you autism her up.
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>>158018634
Or just buy her from the shop, MUCH cheaper than minmaxing her fusion and you can get your viable death loli fast
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>>158018847
She gets higher stats with grinding because of the stat booster apps
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I WANNA BE NICE TO YOU
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>>158018847
>pay to win

Its odd that atlus shits on yhvh, when they have an openly jewish scheme you're playing right into.
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>>157994769
Casuals = The White
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>>158018847
>buying her from shop

Nah, when you minmax your demon you do it yourself faggot.
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>>158011823
>hope we don't become fucking stupid and...
That's such a cute wish.
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>>158018634
Die For Me is a lot weaker than the single target Light and Dark though
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Booted up my DeSu Overclocked save from a while back. Wasn't very far, think I was following some build tips and currently have 12 str/vit.

But it sounds like I should've been going mag. How dumb are these stats?
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Its Atlus boys! Are you saving your pocket breakfast money for Switch already? Next mainline will be on it, no exceptions.
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>>158020514
>ps4 games

D-does that mean I'll be able to finally play purse owner on nintendo consoles too?
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>>158020434
The short version is that since your human members all share from one skill pool you will only have enough physical skills for one physical member. You can make it your mc if you want, but since you will always have someone else who can be it, you want your mc to be more versatile since you of course play as them in every mission and they should ideally be your main person. So its stupid to make your main physical, but its not undoable. Even now though, it might just be better to go magic.
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>>158020650
Nobody needs that shit bro. P5 is trash.
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>>158020434
12 Str/Vit is the exact amount to get Null Phys, so if you want to go Mag you still can pretty easily without having wasted anything. Just pump magic all the way to 40 and you're set.
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>>158020709
All my nipon friends kept telling me it was really good.

Did they lie to me? Or do they just have shit taste? They're literally from nipon though so our taste may differ.
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>>158020709
You are trash
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>>158020709
>P5 is trash
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>>158020826
I don't speak Nip so I can't really comment on the quality of the coops or any of the other writing, but gameplay wise it's a huge improvement.
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what game are you going to work on today /smtg/?
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>>158023061
Probably none. But maybe SMT 1. I never finished it. Been in it for over two years but its so goddamn boring.
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>>158023061
Just started SMT2. Love the setting so far. The walls still look the same in any given dungeon but at least there's more effort put into them than in 1. Combat moves a lot faster than 1, too, which is great. Not digging the extreme scarcity of Magnetite.
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>>158023129
You don't have to finish it, anon. It's okay.
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>>158023061
Probably none, but might actually sit my ass down and play DDS2.

I started it and then dropped it.
The Sun/Moon demo was literally nothing and thus I'm free in terms of gaming for a while.

Probably a good chance to either play P3 or DDS2.
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Here's a fun little exercise, name something about your favorite game in the franchise that you dislike. I'll go first.

In my opinion 2's chaos ending has Lucifer acting way too benevolent.
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>>158023336
Don't tell him what to do faggot.

He can torture himself with SMT if he wants, we all play this game for masochists anyway. What's a little more torture?
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>>158023445
I don't like SJs soundtrack very much.
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This is Tsubasa, say hello to her.


I hope you get your copies ready lads, because Switch isn't going have backswards compatibility in any form.
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>>158013463
stop posting beadman
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>>158023445
2 in general is a fairly archaic game. Its gameplay was archaic even for the times. Despite its amazing plot, it suffers heavily from age, and is not really the type of game you could hand to a non fan and expect them to just enjoy de facto. It needs but will never get an expanded totally revamped rerelease.

>>158023876
no.
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>>158023061
I'm thinking of replaying SMT1 for the Halloweener season.

Then we can organize the SMTG SMT1 playthrough.
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>>158023445
DDS2 not letting you carry over SHIT into hard mode for NG+ is absolute bullshit.
I already played on hard for a fresh run, why is NG+ on hard literally the same thing again?
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>>158023961
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>>158023061
I finally found and beat Sheesha's 2nd battle, so I'm gonna give IVA a break and go back to DeSu2.
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>>158023445
I don't remember what exactly but something about Nocturne's fusion system bugs me to death after playing their later titles.
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>>158024125
Canceling fusions over and over til you got what you wanted?
Sacrifice fusions being the fastest way of getting demons exp yet also being really prone to accidents (outside of special fusions)?
Stat gains from mitama fusions not being counted as part of the demon's base stats?
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>>158024125
Not being able to choose skills? The really specific requirements for producing certain demons (fuse a Yoma but sacrifice a Tyrant on the full moon while coated in fresh goat's blood)?
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>>158024376
what's bad about mitamas not affecting base stats?
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Why doesn't IV have mitamas?
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>>158024527
I forgot what the fuck happened to my starter pixie so I had to open the 5th kalpa doors the hard way.
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>>158024593
probably concern over game balance
they're dlc-exclusive mobs iirc, you still can't fuse them
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>>158023818
>Switch isn't going have backswards compatibility in any form.

FUCK.

I missed out on Wii U games, i hoped Switch was backwards compatible.
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>>158024593
It would break the game even more being able to fuse skills directly onto demons AND increase their stats.

You have to settle for fusing elements and downfusing. Doesn't let you make special fusions with unique skills, though.
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>>158024685
I hope you like buying remasters.
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>>158024685
Switch uses cartridges, and might not even have a second screen. Which kind of sucks, second screen was pretty great for maps and inventory.

I wouldn't be surprised if they re-release some stuff, though.
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>>158024685
Just buy the wii u? It's relatively cheap right now and has lots of good games.
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>>158024115
I give DeSu2 anime a lot of well deserved shit but one thing it does right is their redrawn versions of Kaneko demons.

Just look at those /fit/ Baal and Shiva.
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>>158025884
Aesthetically it did a lot right. Aside from making ao look more goofy than surreal. Plot wise though, it was just bizarre. I love how it threw out the fact that the boss was a star blob, and instead just called polaris god. Leaving the fact that the septentriones were star blobs, and not demons bizarre. I love some of the music in it though.

You know, its bizarre. when I hear "devil survivor anime" it sounds like something too good to be true, but which would never exist in actuality. Yet it did exist. But was garbage.
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>>158011563
He is sorry to his brother and fears his brother hates him. Cains issue is that God wants him to apologize to Him instead, when he's not the victim or deserves it for intentionally being an ass for the sake of His "tests".
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>>158011489
Chaos has many qualities to it. Freedom, world of str, destruction, being honest while being rude, etc.

DeSu emphasizes freedom because not all Chaos is pants on head retarded like mainline.
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>>158026458
t. naoya.
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Whats your favorite battle theme in any SMT game?
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>>158004337
Thats what they do as enlightened autists with the power of Gods in Massacreanarchy.
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>>158026797
You mean megaten or SMT?
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>>158027006

The former.
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>>158027006
Stop being autistic. We can use smt for the entire series.
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>>158026797
Normal battle themes? Or including boss and event battles?
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>>158026797
Nocturne Normal Battle (Town)
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>>158026797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCuOjfyUHnA

This one has really grown on me though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPHiJFIC-b4

>>158027304
Never.
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>>157939473
A beat em up game where if you get hit by macca beam you lose a credit.
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>>158027304
that's like saying what's your favorite digimon and someone answers with charizard.
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>>158027852
>autism.jpg
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158027964
Not even worth a (You).
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>>158028115
>Not even worth a (You).
does it take effort to tag someone? it seems like it would take more effort to copy their post number?
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>>158028248
Yeah. They're trying to make insults, but are sperging out instead.
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158028248
You just have to delete the two meme arrows, it's quite simple.
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>>158016980
Its magical.
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>>158027852
Its more like asking someone what their favorite pokemon is, and some autist says WHAT ARE POKEMON? DO YOU MENA POCKET MONSTERS. And then you tell him to go away, since in america there's things you can call them.
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>>158028467
regardless of how much effort, why do it in the first place? what does it accomplish? I don't even understand how that could be an insult?
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158028682

I be tyou feel burned now.
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Stop posting.
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>>158028656
>REEEE WHY DON'T YOU LET ME CALL MY CHARACTERS TOONS!?

I literally just asked anon in a civil way if he meant SMT or megaten, and here you are making a shitstorm out of it.
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>>158028801
You're the one sperging out. Calm down, and stop deleting your arrows.
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>>158028752
Honestly, I feel more angry by the fact that I don't understand the insult rather then the insult itself.
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>158028904
Then stop getting so mad because I asked a simple question.
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MATADOR
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>>158029052
The question was passive aggressive autism. You're the one who is mad.
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158029115
The only correct way to refer to the series is the japanese titles. Stop being autisitc by liking the american ones.
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I feel like it's always the one retard or two in these threads trying to start shit every time and accusing people of being mad.

Will both of you retards kiss and makeup or some shit. Jeez.
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158029369
I was only doing it to make them angry. I don't really care if people call everything smt and the main ones mainline.
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>>158029369
eat reds, not heads :)
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>people say "Anarchy" is a "good end" but to properly get it it literally requires you to be an asshole to your loyal dog the entire game
>someone that bullies dogs is confirmed to be an awful human being so Anarchy Nanashi will inevitably become an awful God, likely worse than YHVH.
Anarchy confirmed worst end.
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>>158029561
this is the best argument against anarchy i've read, tbqfh

dogs > cats
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>>158029561
Anon, this conversation already ended. Both endings are shit, but massacre is shittier. the true ending will always be losing to vishnuflynn on purpose.
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>>158029264
But I have always refered to the series as True Reincarnation of the Goddess. What will I do now?
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>>158029749
what are you, a lawfag?
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>>158029760
The correct translation is metempsychosis, not reincarnation.
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>>158029561
Be good to dog but treat everyone else like shit.

That's the only true way of playing.
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>>158029825
I've been called such.
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>>158029561
>requires you to be an asshole to your loyal dog
Not true, you can still be nice and go anarchy. Also you're not necessarily ever being mean to Asahi, you're usually just giving her hard truths, like when calling her a worthless ally.
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158029537
Called it
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>>158029972
>Not true, you can still be nice and go anarchy.

Why bother though? Its clearly an asshole ending.
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When are we going to get a female protagonist? It's almost 2017 for christ sake
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>>158030152
>Its clearly an asshole ending.
I disagree, I think it's sometimes worth it to sacrifice something for the greater good
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>>158030173
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>>158030173
Wait for SMT if... 2...
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>>158030173
DDS1/DDS2

Also who cares.
The female characters are almost always more interesting than the male mute MCs.
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>>158030173
Probably never. The protagonist is suppose to be a normal dude so that the player can step into their shoes. Not many females play SMT
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>Kato Yasunori looks sexier than Raidou ever could be
Now I want to read the original novels.
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>>158030173
>Not emulating the raw, untranslated SMT:if
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>>158030241
It is. But that's not what you're doing. You're sacrificing in exchange for a world where everyone's attitudes on friendship resemble dagda's which somehow makes them less religious, and then hunting down all the gods that arise. Not even to keep the people safe. Just so that they have a harder time being religious or relying on others. Its a pretty shit ending all around.
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I really want to fuck Krishna. He's so fem and sexy.
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>>158030662
>You're sacrificing in exchange for a world where everyone's attitudes on friendship resemble dagda's
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>>158030761
>fuck krishna
He has a wife anon!

Don't do things like that unless you want to share with the whole class.
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>>158030662
>a world where everyone's attitudes on friendship resemble dagda's
>hunting down all the gods
>Just so that they have a harder time being religious
What the fuck does this post even mean
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>>158030662
Next you'll call it autistic.
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>>158031078
What are you asking? The point of dagda's ending is to remake humanity in a way to have attitudes that resemble dagda's. They care about friendship less, and so are more self reliant. This includes being less reliant on gods. And part of the design is that this smaller relianceon gods will weaken them. And since your world is a world for humanity, weakening the gods is on purpose. But some will still exist, so people or flynn will hunt them down. No part of that actually sounds like a meaningful improvement. Its a pointless struggle, just to ensure there's less religion.
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>>158030662
>You're sacrificing in exchange for a world where everyone's attitudes on friendship resemble dagda's
Can you even do that? If the creator god can alter human nature and how they think, why wouldn't YHVH just make humans completely obedient to him? Why even make it possible for them rebel?
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>>158030662
In order for humans to be the best they can be, they need not rely on others and get rid of religion all together.

I'd argue that shutting down the opportunity and continue to live in an unsalvageable universe then to start over is equally- if not more of a shitty ending.
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>>158031296
>Being THIS autistic you can't understand Dagda's complex motivations
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>>158031328
Who knows. YHVH in iva actively prevented the world from ever becoming lawified because for reasons known only to him he wanted humans to suffer through a struggle.
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>>158031346
Sure, if you ignore that any serious advancement done to humanity is done in groups. So dagda basically misunderstands how progress is made, and so is making a change that will stunt its real growth in favor of his own incoherent concept of growth. Not only that, resetting the universe likely means you have to start again from zero, with no technology.

The worst part is that without religion, you won't have philosophy and thus no science. So if you have to start over, he's literally trying to prevent a necessary step to advance. He's going the exact opposite direction he should be. Dagda's world would not only have stunted technology, but it would be miserable living there since everyone is changed to care less about eachother. There's very little in the way of actual implications of real benefits. Just more rugged individualists.
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>>158031782
stop posting beaadman
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>>158031296
>to have attitudes that resemble dagda
The point of Dagdas ending was to create a world where humans don't have to rely on gods.

>They care about friendship less, and so are more self reliant
Do you think being more self reliant is a bad thing.? Also, Dagda never said anything about caring less about friendship. If anything, Dagda thinks that friendship is very important.
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>>158027852
That would imply that Pokemon is a spinoff of Digimon.
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>>158031902
>If anything, Dagda thinks that friendship is very important

At least try to comply with the in game logic when making a point. No. Dagda demanded you do things alone and acted like your friends were nigh worthless when the plot itself was clear otherwise. The truth is that he seems to think self reliance itself is an ideal that inherently needs to be done, regardless of any potential benefits from it. Dagda openly says that making friends is a pointless exercise. So even if you try to handwave what kinds of things align you to him, his own dialogue is clear what his actual attitudes are.

And that's the thing. He never says or even implies that there's goals this will lead to beyond the fact of it itself. He thinks that people being more individualistic is itself the goal. The type of mentality you are writing humanity to based on what he thinks is an ideal would be a horrible one.
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>>158032192
I can't believe there are people dumb enough to not understand Dagda's actions.
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>>158031494
YHVH isn't the creator god, he's an extremely strong god that likes to pretend he made everything.

Great Will is the actual creative force of the universe. When you go into the other universe you create you still aren't a creator god, you're a guiding force like YHVH was. You can lead but you can't utterly control.
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>>158031494
>for reasons known only to him he wanted humans to suffer through a struggle.
In every game where YHVH appears, it's said that he exists because humanity desires the salvation he can bring. Gods draw their power from belief, and so as long as people want and strive for the Law that YHVH represents, YHVH will have power. But if this Law was ever achieved, humans wouldn't need to turn to YHVH, and his power would weaken.
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>>158030575
Fujos and fags are the core audience though.
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>>158032517
Why do you guys keep repeating this meme
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>>158032267
I'm not sure what your point is. The point is that he designed the world. The one who does can design the humanity. Not only that, but even in universe there are ways to make them more orderly or chaotic. For whatever reason, he didn't make a peaceful law world where everyone was passive and followed him. Because it stroked his ego more for them to in a neutral world that has apocalypses every once in awhile.

One reason Is that I suppose that he is a god of law, not a god of order. He wants people to comply, but he wants them to do it in a particualr way. In an orderly world, the specific type of thing he wants may be diminished.

>>158032450
I was just about to say that. If he is a god of reliance on under suffering, and a particular kind of salvation, then in a heavenly world, people might no longer need to rely on him. Without this reliance he personally benefits less, even if it makes the people more ordered to respecting him if it were that he was the god of that world. For whatever reason, he gets what he wants by making them rely on him through suffering. But for whatever reason only does an apocalypse every ten thousand years. Merkabah thinks there are long stretches of law in between, before it is upset, but that is a ruse. The lawful world is never arrived at.
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>>158023061
DOOM
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>>158032981
>1.9 mb
how
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>>158032663
It's true.
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Does preemptive smirk up apply to Nanashi?
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>>158032786
Point is influencing power =/= creator. He doesn't design humanity, he just influences it through behind the scene shit like sending demons to be chaos and law forces. If he could design humanity he would make them all only acknowledge him. The difference you do in SMT4A if you strengthen the power of people, they're still free to do whatever the shit they want but with power they don't have to look toward gods and thus give them power.

They could still feel free to fuck off and act like old humanity if they wanted. Sure, you could again smite them but all you're doing is influencing. You do not design the way people decide to work their civilization and thinking.
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>>158031782
>So dagda basically misunderstands how progress is made, and so is making a change that will stunt its real growth in favor of his own incoherent concept of growth.
could you elaborate on what this even means? I think I'm too stupid to understand what you're saying

>The worst part is that without religion, you won't have philosophy and thus no science
Uhm, what? Are you trying to imply that only religions have philosophy?

>>158031782
>since everyone is changed to care less about eachother
I fail to see how this is a bad thing. Do you think walmart makes their prices so low because they care about poor people? Walmart makes their prices low because they can make more sales, thus more money. Walmart could give 2 shits about poor people. The same applies to technology. People don't make amazing technology to help people, they do it so they can get personal satisfaction and to make money and shit. I don't know where I'm going with this point. I thought maybe if I kept talking I would eventually find the right words
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DO YOU AID LUCIFER?
DO YOU?
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How do i fuse mastema in FINAL?
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I'm sick, smtg. Hopefully I'll feel better later today but I might have to change plans on what to draw for today.
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>>158034674
what's wrong :(
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>>158034674
It seems all those Toki drawings finally begun to affect you, bro.

You should have sticked to Pascal.
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>>158034178
*Judgement has come, to you
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>>158035087
due to my addiction to coffee, it fucked me up pretty bad, I'm having some nausea every time I look at lights and a horrible headache whenever I stare for too long, all that because of my stomach not handling the amount of coffee I drank.
Medic said me to drop the coffee completely and take some meds she gave me.

Hopefully the meds will kick in and I'll be able to draw normally, but I'd rather not push it and make the problem worse.
I've taken the time to start replaying smt1 tho, gotta kill gotou and thorman.
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>>158035583
>pretty decent looking humans
>they die immediately
>only mentioned for one relevant boss

Fucking Atlus, every time.
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>>158035750
Manabu was a shit though
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>>158035583
that sucks dude, are you able to drink any water? hope you get better soon
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>>157957562
We don't deserve him
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>>157957562
wtf? I like Mastema now.
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>>158035926
I don't think I'll be sick for too long, so next week I'll probably be fine. I can drink stuff thats not as heavy as coffee, can't be too much acid, the doctor said
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>>158033643
Technically humans are influenced just by the God who created thems very alignment. Humans lean to Law because YHVH is Law, and in SJ humans were originally chaotic because Mem birthed the soul.

YHVH also had the angels tamper with humans genetically to get the thralls he desires.
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I'M JUST
L O N E P R A Y E R
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>>158036279
I hope they eventually let you drink cofhee again.

Just don't rely so hard on it, and drink it moderately for pleasure.
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>>158036585
Keep them on the coatrack
They hate great food, just don't stop
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I'M NOT A PRINCESS
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I want to FUCK yumiko
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>>158037084
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>Talking about YHVH in Apacolypse
https://youtu.be/wOdmNzPK4Yw?t=6m50s
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>>158036713
Lotta anger in it
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>DeSU 1 on sale
>No money
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What do I need to proceed to make the Phantom Society bleed?
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>>158037745
>its the BOOTY
kek i didnt catch this until now
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>>158038008
What are you talking about? Where is it on sale? I just checked the eShop and it still full price?
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>>158038571
Weird, it's on sale for me. What country you in?
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>>158039134
India.
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>>158039134
United states. Is that rare? Am I the only one here from United states? What the fuck man...
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>>158039487
Hell Krishna
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>>158039487
Krishna get out
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>>158039134
>>158038571
>>158039507
Both Devil Surivors and Soul Hackers are on sale in Europe.
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>>158039616
>>158039720
Krishna TOOTS as he pleases!
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Dagda is my dad-da.
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>Mfw Jonathan says "MY FRIENDS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT" during the YHVH fight.
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Why doesn't Apocalypse work for me? I love both Persona and SMT, but it's like they're flavors that don't mix or something.
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>>158040056
Trumpeter is superior Toot
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>>158040279
Dad-ga with the big Dong-da.
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>>
>there will probably never be a 3D Tokyo Millenium
It hurts.
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aside from the bypass, is there any point in using Almighty attacks? seeing that most of their MP cost is high
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>>158040413
I want his dong-da in my mouth-da.

No homo.
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>>158041027
In IVA fires of Sinai is good, antichion has been neutered. Overall they are good until you get pierce.
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>>158041027
In smt IV Apocalypse there is no reason to have allmighty skills since you get pierce and pierce goes through repel now and elements get pierce too.
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>>158041260
>antichion has been neutere
Wait shit what? I'm planning a mag build now don't scare me, what changed?
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>>158041425
it only debilitates when you smirk now.
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>>158041507
wew
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NEW DEVIL SUMMONER WHEN
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>>158041619
Here is the real kicker salvation only heals ailments when you smirk too.
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>>158040319
Does he seriously do that?
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>>158041027
God Almighty is such shit in IVA
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>>158042019
Why did they do this?
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>>158041425
Ideal mag build now is some elemental spread and concentrate
The elements have straight up higher power than equivalent tier almighty attacks
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>>158042097
Yep he said it when I revived walter.
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>>158042260
they gave a bunch of moves extra effects when used smirked, for example the severesingle hit element attacks like trisagion get pierce when you use them smirked, but for some reason they made it so that some skills that already had secondary effects smirk only.
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>>158040896
kek i love this image
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Is it worth teaching Hama/Mudo skills to MC now? seeng that they buffed the fuck out of them
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>>158043324
T H I C C
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>>158043324
Was that fight supposed to be piss easy?
As soon as she started having weaknesses, it only took 2 turns to end it.
>>
Is IV's law ending the shittiest law ending in the series?
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>>158044108
I'd say Zelenin's Greatest Hits is worse.
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So what's a good party to fight Steven with? Should I just focus on phis damage?
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>>158043592
Yeah, they're pretty good and super useful for hordes and encounters.
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>>158043592
I went world of STR, but if I ever went magic I would go with.
>Trisagion
>Thunder gods
>Deadly wind
>Judgement light
>Pierce
>concentrate
>(skill of your choice)
You don't even need allmighty attacks anymore since MC's pierce goes through everything.
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>>158044293
>MC's pierce goes through everything
what's the point of thunder gods and deadly wind then?
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>>158044108

Yes, if you don't count Apocalypse's law
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>>158044594
weakness.
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>>158037084
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>>158044182
>Zelenin's Greatest Hits
10/10
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>>158041027
Antichthon is still ok if your demon can get smirks easily or has smile charge.
I have it on my Samael who has some elemental spells, smile charge, and concentrate, so he can debuff, get a press turn, and do damage with it.
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>use krishna's toot on Cleopatra
>she actually gets poisoned
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Why can't Asahi see Navarre?
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>>158045047
Rude.
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>>158046762
because she's not a psychic
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>>158046762
Why can't you see ghosts?
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>>158047271
They don't exist
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>>158046762
Because she is a normie with no special power or training whatsoever.
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>>158047356
Then how am I talking to you?
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>>158046762
Only those who are supernatural in some way can see Navarre.
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>>158047448
HACK YOU
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So does Nu-Dagda have original Dagda's memories, because it felt kinda weird how he was talking like he has grown as a character after meeting you, because all of the shit you went through together with him, despite him being less then a day old and most of the stuff you went through with him was with old dagda?
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>>157971875
I had MAtador, Alilat and Turbo Pixie.

The only think I felt was really bullshit was that he could damage MP directly
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>>158044108
>>158044182
Both of these are great endings. Fuck Apocalypse for ruining what could've been a good ending.
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>>158048837
Demonic gene already ruined the White and the law endings.

And for a good reason, since they're shit.
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>>158049006
>Cleansing demonic Tokyo so Mikado can be peaceful and happy
>Bad
You even get to go to heaven
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>Nanashi, our stuff got taken! Without being able to summon demons we can't do anything! You're on your own.
What? Asahi is literally the only one here who has no powers outside of her equipment.
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>>158049545
They stole Navarre's....stones.
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>>158050103
My biggest problem is Nozomi. There's absolutely no reason she should need equipment to summon fairies.
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>>157972416
Ssssssource?
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>>158049545
Nozomi has to conserve every inch of Danu's powers for the sake of the fairies. Try not to be so selfish next time, okay?
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>>158050227
Scroll down.
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>>158050282
Nozomi pls.
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>>158049228
Welp, they lied to you and turned you into a bitch ass messiah.

Even in-game there is no proof that Mikado would remain demon-free. Apocalypse and the side material only confirmed it.
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>>158050735
It'll take at least a thousand years for Lucifer and his armies to recover from a black hole .
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>>158050547
Time to commit suicide out of shame
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>>158052326
At least you didn't commit shame out of suicide.
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>>158052326
don't, here is more Toki.
I might be sick but I won't break my promise of three toki days.
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What's the point of using anyone other than Navarre? little guy can buff the fuck out of the team so hard I didn't even nead to use any -kaja skill for at least 20 hours of the game
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ACCEPT YOUR MIGHT
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>run into my lost demon
>nice, they even brought back a gift
>ARE YOU WELL? DON'T CHASE FUTILE BATTLES

Partners have the dumbest shit to say

???
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>>158052689
Against bosses? None, unless the boss spams ailments (Krishna)
Nozomi and Toki are good for random encounters though
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>>158052770
ESCAPE THE TOWN
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>>158049545
>Asahi is literally the only one here who has no powers outside of her equipment.
Navarre doesn't have your items, don't know why he doesn't buff.

Toki doesn't have her machetes

Nozomi has no guns.

Hallejuah is still trying to hide the fact that he's a cambion.
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>>158047457
>>158047389
Then how come Gaston can see him when he stops being a prick?
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>>158053643
Nozomi shouldn't need guns.
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>>158053787
Family
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The hard choices.
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>>158053791
Well we don't know what Danu even DOES for Nozomi or if she even keeps demons with her.

Napaea apparently isn't her demon since she runs off and does her own shit.
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>>158054236
Danu's power should be Nozomi's power if the writers didn't decide to ignore what actually happened in IV.
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>>158054427
Shouldn't Nozomi BE Danu then

What if Nozomi in IVA is just Danu samefagging irl
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> Upgrade your Ame-No-Habikiri ASAP at Yoyogi Park.

When can i access the park? jus tgot the sword
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>>158054591
Take the terminal to Yoyogi.

Go to the fairy forest with Orochi in your party.
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>>158054671
ok thanks
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>>158054554
Nozomi SHOULD be Danu, but if I recall Black Maria said that she would help guide Nozomi, and so if Black Maria, along with granting Nozomi fairy power, had left with her a bit of herself as Danu to guide her, that would make sense. The way it's handled, though, with Nozomi running around with nothing but a shotgun, is really weird.
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>>158052673
Niiice. But the legs are a bit too long, if you don't mind me saying.
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>>158044631
Better off using the multihits like glacial blast.
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>>158053643
Navarre still works.
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>>158052673
i want to see feet please
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>>158052673
her shoulder area is a bit long for her frame desu
but moeh
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do you think hunters dust their comps?
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Streaming the OVA

Weebcrew.moe
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>>158058203
FINALLY
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>>158058203
Is there supposed to be a chat or something because there's a big black blank space next to the stream
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>>158058983
It's full of faggots anyway.
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>>158058983
Yeah, it's filled with fags arguing though. I'm just here for demons.
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Who Devil Summoner here?
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>>158058983
Yeah if it doesn't work you can get rid of cookies and that should fix it
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>>158052673
Fate is off and so are the legs.

Thanks for trying so hard though.
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>>158060909
You rang?
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>>158058203
p. good ova desu
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>>157959527
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST GODDAMN SHIT
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>>158062116
I just wish these weebs in chat weren't so busy flirting and circlejerking
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>>158063489
yeah i know like milky is the only cool one hahaah
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>>158063489
Just ignore it. Go full screen.
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>>158063923
yeah I'm glad he put on the 10/10 dub
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new thread

>>158064351
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