/fog/ - Fallout General

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FUCKING
BONE
SHAKE
RREEEEEEE

>>157897372

Thats almost finished. Just gotta fix the other leg.

>>157899271

At least you've got unique animations in, that looks pretty cool.

Are you going to stick with just gun reloading animations or are you going to do other things?

>>157898841
>no edition
>still hasn't added the pastebin for newfags looking to mod http://pastebin.com/X3mqHPmB

the guy making these OPs stinks

>>157899739
Stop shitposting

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>>157899568
Planning on item consumption being animated. Here's a test anim for Nuka Cola (cap twisting will be done in the actual animation, this was early).

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>>157889770

ow my dick

>>157899837
>Recommendations for mod site should be in the OP
No

Was due for a new thread for an hour. Not my problem if you don't like it when you had ample time to make your own.

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>>157899909

Oh, neat.

So for buffout is the animation gonna be the guy downing the whole bottle at once like in L4D?

>>157899909
This looks so great. I'm glad there's somebody with some animation talent out there making stuff.

>>157899909
Don't reply to Buffscale, he's a shitter.

>>157899837

>shitty as fuck recommendations should be in the OP

Yeah, no. Please never put that in the OP.

>>157901020
Why can't we put it in the OP? We only have a useless dead weebly filled with only Buff's meme mods.

how do i fix cait?

>>157899271
Chalk it up to a Michael J. Fox build.

>>157900838
Don't say mean things about buff, what if you hurt his feelings?

>>157901469
a knife

>>157901331

I think Artus abandoned it / and FO4. Or people aren't emailing him their stuff.

>>157899271
man, that animation will get real annoying after you have to watch it for the fiftieth time after firing one shot.

Which companion do you think is the strongest in the early game of the ones you can reasonably get to?

>>157901878
>>157900654
Make sure to report this person for spamming.

>>157902012
DogMeat's dick game is pretty strong

It'd have been a pretty neat plot twist if Fallout 4 turned out to be set in a model to scale map of the commonwealth, and everyone in the game outside the Institute was shrunk and placed in it without their knowing like in Westworld.

anyone have a working link to a fallout 4 crack?

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>>157902407

I kinda wondered if they'd ever do a dramatic reveal about the SS, in fact, being a super advanced synth in one of the DLCs.

And the Institute in the Commonwealth actually being nothing but actors / synths fucking with you, and the REAL institute was deeper within.

>>157902670
>I kinda wondered if they'd ever do a dramatic reveal about the SS, in fact, being a super advanced synth in one of the DLCs.
it might have saved how bad the main story was

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>>157902015
Thank you based janitors / mods.

>>157901865
We're working on that.

>>157901020
Then post your own recommendations

>>157902670
>Time apart
Too obvious.

>>157902881
you should do a custom animation pack for the Mauser c96

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>>157902991

>>157902881
>>157901865
The whole reason we're doing this is to fix the reloading issue.

>>157902670
No, that's really dumb even for headcanon.
Piper being a teen mom makes more sense.

>>157903396
Really too obvious now. :/ kinda embarrassing

>>157902670
The problem a lot of criticizers have with the SS is that they don't feel as in control of the character as they were in prior entries, and that they don't feel as much investment in the pre-made character as they did in other games with pre-made protagonists. To invalidate the pre-war backstory leaves the character a bit more hollow, as a lot of the dialogue choices stem from what the pre-war veteran and lawyer would say or do. I'd imagine this is what dissuaded Todd and Emil from pursuing the synth twist everyone anticipated. The DIMAS mention was a little ham-fisted, but likely in referential.

The "synth" twist might have happened if there wasn't a voiced protagonist or pre-war backstory planned from the getgo.

>And the Institute in the Commonwealth actually being nothing but actors / synths fucking with you, and the REAL institute was deeper within.

I was expecting something like that. Seeing the kids and families in the Institute threw me for a loop. If the "clean and sterile" Institute was merely a facade, and the actual Institute was in the back of some banged up Vault... Showing off the Institute as the good guys and letting the gradual reveal of their more sinister nature might have worked really well.

>>157898841
question here. What the shit happened to countries like The Democratic Republic Of The Congo, just total nothing third world countries that would be completely ignored even in the resource wars because they have so little?
Are they the new world power?
Did some third world MENA shithole take over the whole of the middle east after the war?

>>157903815
keep in mind that the Great War did in fact cause a global nuclear winter, the US. Russia, China and Europe are all bombed to shit, but the whole world got fucked over.

Except Australia, no one noticed in Australia.

>>157903925
Personally, i think it's hilarious to think of some dude in Africa playing Zeta Invaders, seeing in the news that the entire first world got glassed into the stone age and just shrugging because he lives in the African bush. He buys a coat that year because of nuclear winter and everything is fine.
A place like Rhodesia (60's counter culture created Zimbobwe so it's still Rhodesia imo) has no major exports and wouldn't be a target in the resource war. sure the nuclear winter would mess up their climate but their military would be completely untouched. Models i see only place nuclear winter at 20-40 years max. Meaning, in that time, a non country like Argentina could take mexico and face zero resistance or repercussions

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>>157903925
we've already confirmed what straya looks like in the fallout universe

>>157903925
I'm just saying that even in a 20,000 nuclear warhead situation, who the fuck would bomb Djibouti? Did you even know Djibouti was a real country before this post? what about all those other countries you can't point out on a map? Are they the new regional powers? Is greenland the sole owner of the majority of canada? What about the largest army that wasn't nuked in any way? Are they just casually whistling as they assume direct control?

>>157903815

Not described in lore.

Given that Africa (as per your example) is still loaded with natural resources and would no longer have foreign intervention in their political games (and the pre-established political borders would be lost) I'm guessing that new societies would reform around the former nations that had the most developed infrastructure. But Africa is so gigantic you'd have to speculate region by region. Same with South America.

>>157904724
South Africa only really exports diamonds, right? They're one of the top five largest armies in the region, and yet only export a commodity that would, outside from industrial applications, serve no purpose in a shortage crisis from overconsumption. sure, they lost a huge portion of their income like every other country but they're not getting invaded for natural resources because all they have are shiny hard rocks.

If anything, a nation like that would become a regional superpower, not collapse. it wouldn't even lose any of it's governmental body for that matter. I know that the world collapsed and that's central to the plot but i realized this the other day and it's been haunting me. there are several very well armed countries that wouldn't be touched in even the most brutal of imperialistic wars, and I can't imagine they'd just sit there rubbing their faces on their dragon dildos.

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>>157904570

Countries with American and allied military bases I could see getting bombed (check the map here). Djbouti, actually, has a lot of American military presence. Of course, this is a contemporary map taken from AFRICOM which started around 2000 in the real world. Fallout continuity is different.

>>157905145

Exports don't necessarily represent how well a region can be self-sustainable. Rhodesian colonization involved a lot of farming.

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Reposting from last thread since: what's a good balance between survivability and challenge as far as the weaker marks of power armor go ? I mean Raider Power Armor, T-45 and T-51, weaker stuff that can be repaired most with just steel in the field.

I'm making a sort of wandering knight character (power armor, melee) and I want him to use power armor while still preserving some challenge. Also no settlements so the lower marks of power armor will let me just repair stuff in the field at all those gas stations with just some steel I can keep on the character. Independence is the key word, so no companions as well unless I can mod Codsworth to play the sound of two coconuts being banged together as we travel.

>>157904570
Basically all nations that could be considered anything nearing a super power was involved in either the Resource Wars, the Sino-American War. It's hard to pin down exactly what is, and isn't different. For example, it could be t hat Decolonization never happened (and given the annex happy nature of the US, colonization and Empire building seemed to still very much be in vogue)

So, as >>157905145
is saying South Africa could, during the Great War, have still been part of the United Kingdom, later part of the European Commonwealth, and been attacked during the Resource Wars.

Things are kept vague because, well, in game people don't really know, and it lets them have a lot of wiggle room for whatever they want to do.

Plus pre-War stuff isn't really the focus of Fallout, it's just the background radiation of the story.

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Huzzah

>>157905526
Just get PIP.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/19292?

There's also that more rare power armor mod too

>>157905526

T-51 is best, I think. Only the chest needs circuitry to repair, and the pauldrons look the most knightly.

>>157906003
PS4 but thanks for the reply anyway.

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>>157905919

You did it, you glorious cunt. You did it.

>>157906256
That's just the animation. We still have to demarcate it and fix the reload issue.

>T-51 was the most advanced power armor in wide commercial use before the outbreak of the Great War.
>[...]includes a waste recycling system that can convert human waste into drinkable water, enhancing the user's survival ability.

Where's my Survival-needs-reducing PA?

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>>157906008
>the pauldrons look the most knightly.
That's actually a good point, although it might be too strong seeing how T-60 already makes me almost immortal.

Unless I start this character on survival, but I really don't see playing melee on that difficulty without pulling out my hair.

Behold, the Green Knight !

>>157906534

Survival effectively balances PA, and wearing it is probably the only way to make melee viable in Survival. You won't feel OP.

I have a policy where I only use melee when I enter PA on Survival, to help balance out how inherently superior wearing it is. Build for tankiness (High EN, Toughness, Lifegiver, Moving Target, Reflector, etc), use Blitz, sprint-kill a lot, use drugs, and keep lots of vodka on hand for the 50HP bonus (100HP with Party Boy!).

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>>157905526
I always liked the Raider armor the most, but it really pales in comparison to everything else.

>>157906916

The shadows cast by the cage on the torso when you turn on the headlamp are sexy as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjskzUlJOfc

>TFW you realize Ghosbusters 2 beat the BoS to their plan

did Lyons and Maxson watch it before deciding how to fight the Enclave/Institute?

What's a good mod to clean up the shit around settlements? Y'know, inconsequential stuff like rubbish piles and those god damn giant bushes and other useless plants.

>>157907370
spring cleaning or homemaker, iirc.

only get one, they'll royally fuck up everything if you try both.

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>>157906839
I plan on:
STR 4
END 8
CHA 3
INT 10

So no Blitz for me. I know it's strong but it looks silly plus I don't want to invest so much points in AGI for it. If something is out of my reach I will just chuck a Holy Hand Grenade at them (I will carry around a few frags just in case). Not sure about drugs yet since I already have so many perks I will need to invest in, not enough CHA for alcohol.

>>157906916
Man, I wish I could paint it. Still, it's probably a deathtrap at Survival, it's DR is what, 500 ?

Still, it looks sweet and the pauldrons are sufficiently huge for a knight. I want to make a guy that steadily starts going delusion from the stress and starts believing he's a knight. Kinda inspired by Don Quijote.

>>157907458
Alright. I'll try Spring Cleaning first.

I can't wait to spend most of the game building useless settlements that ultimately don't matter because unfortunately the rest of the game is trash!

>>157907601
>Man, I wish I could paint it
>people STILL dont know about this mod
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/13552/?

>>157907601

I'd build towards those stats/perks during the levels when you're still locked out of advancing your core perks. Even if you don't have Party Boy, vodka is still very strong. And every proper knight errant appreciates a good strong drink.

>>157907826
Sorry but:
>>157906115

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>>157907601
if you want "sufficiently huge pauldrons" look at the Overboss power armor from Nuka World.

>>157907830
I'd rather have a Dirty Wastelander.

Dunno if I will be able to spare points, I will have to get Big Leagues, Armorer, Blacksmith, Lone Wander, Scientist, Nuclear Physicist. Unless I forgot a perk that's 50 levels of leveling.

And I still want to add Nerd Rage, Life Giver and Medic or Hacker.

>>157908029
Too strong, I specifically am looking at the weaker marks because I never play them, they're more vulnerable and can be repaired with steel.

All my power armor characters wear T-60 with a jump pack, want to try something different this time. Less immortal.

>>157908241
you really just want the arms, them being a little tougher lets you use slightly weaker, but cooler looking, armors with them.

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>Now with 100% more camera movement!<

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County Crossing.

Another boring farm turned into a raider outpost.

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>>157909729

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>>157909851

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>>157910050

>>157909618
>>157909729
>>157909851

That's real fucking neato.

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Also, Somerville Place.

It's comfy as fuck.

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>>157910685

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>darrens game got approved on greenlight because mxr had his fans mass vote for it
>the game is an asset flip that he plans to sell for 7 dollars with a 25 dollar season pass

Modding was a mistake, buffscale should move on from it to and make a game in flash about having sex with stuff at this point. Trainwiz should finish his game.

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>>157910768

>>157904317
Mad Max has been confirmed to be canon in Fallout like twice now.

>>157908687

why does the index finger look unnatural

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>>157910873

>>157910854
>approved on greenlight
Yeah great, but how many people will actually buy it?

>>157910854
>darrens game got approved on greenlight because mxr had his fans mass vote for it

Yeah, that's not gonna sell if that's what it took, especially if it took that long.
Still, unfortunately this will just validate his ego, but at least it'll be a bit before he makes back those legal and greenlight fees.

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>>157908349
Mixing weaker and stronger parts is a good idea for adjusting the difficulty of the playthrough but I think the Overboss pauldrons really don't match any other armor aesthetically, even the Raider Power armor.

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>>157910854

I'm still working on this Got-dang Train power armor.

Now that I've learned about power armor modding I think I will make a Power armor that looks like a human.

Like...it looks like a human, but opens up and a skeleton comes out! Or a synth. Actually this will probably end up resembling a Gen 2 synth but way freakier and bulkier. I might also make a Gen 2 synth power armor (the metal bits) so it would look like one of those heavy duty war terminators with the miniguns and shit.

>>157911365
That sounds absolutely terrifying.

>>157911467
Sounds like the man-hide suit from Skyrim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjlxUcfazc

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>>157898841
Haven't played fallout since it was released (it was very disappointing)
Any other mods i should get other than pic related?

>>157911603

Heh, thats kinda what inspired it to begin with

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How many fucking locks do I need to pick for Gage to idolize me? I've been picking and relocking the same fucking safe for hours now, fucking Gage just give me your fucking perk r-reeeee

>>157912365
there's a cooldown on affinity.

Also you should have gotten him to idolize you if you took him with you through the whole NW experience.

>>157912793
>there's a cooldown on affinity.
Yeah I know, that's why I've been waiting for 2 hours between every time I pick the lock again.

Something seems fucked up, I took him all throughout Nuka World with the exception of Galactic Zone and have been traveling the Commonwealth with him for a while now.

>>157913316
Have you been doing chems and booze every chance you get? Because you shouldn't with him.

>>157913470
Not at all, my boozed up commando has been completely sober while travelling with this fuck.

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Ok, welp. Its now rigged properly.

Splitting up all those armor chunks individually was reeeeeeeeeeeally fun!

>>157913575
Any mods that might interfere with companion affinity?

>>157913640
no, I'm on cucksole

>>157913739
Maybe hes just not into you?

>>157913616
Why don't your feet have shadows?

>aim weapon "from the hip"
>not accurate
>aim through ironsight
>bullets are now extremely accurate, because magic

Really?

Fucking really?

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>>157914663
This burden is our own

>>157914663
>aim weapon "from the hip"
>bullets spray in a radial pattern
>aim through ironsight
>bullets are now extremely straight and close, because magic

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Finally happy enough with the animation to start cutting it down for different round counts.

>>157915039
Remember that increased tube size = more ammo in magazine. When you get the longer barrel mod, it also visually extends the magazine but the ammo doesn't increase.

Just some food for thought if you intend to go that far.

>>157914757
Let me know how accurate you are shooting without aiming.

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>>157911365
You know, I just thought of something and I wonder why no one has done it considering the overlap between this game and that other game. Especially since the other games in that series introduced the notion of wearable versions of them.

spoiler related.

>>157914663
>I've never fired a real weapon
Shooting a gun without shouldering it is drastically harder to control.

>>157915230
>Shooting a gun without shouldering it

It's not the shooter, it's the literal weapon itself, not the literal person that's/who's literally firing the gun.

>>157913616
I think I'm gonna give it a small dungeon to earn the armor. And a lot of modifications available for it, got some fun ideas there.

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>>157915420

Got this little issue, I tried fixing it in OS but the back part of his leg rail or whatever you call it keeps kinda banging on his crotch.

It used to clip right through it but I made it only graze it...not really sure if I can do much else unless I shrink it down more, but then I risk warping it further.

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>>157916281

And here's a webm if you wanna see how it looks

>>157916281
>>157916352
Well now the mod is totally ruined. Better save yourself the embarrassment and delete it.

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>>157916635

No way José.

Already sent it to Trainwiz anyway. Now I can focus on the Pumpkin head and witch hats.

>>157910897
Really?

>>157915141

I don't really like FNAF

I'm sure a mod featuring PA versions of them would get a 500,000 endorsements but you'd need to find someone willing to model that shit too.

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>>157914516

I have shadow quality on medium. Thats probably why. It gives me an extra 10 FPS and makes the game feel a bit more playable in most areas.

I should get a new PC.

>>157916281
Is your character Hitler?

Hey, just downloaded the DLCs (illegaly).
How can I see if they work ? Their ESM are in the NMM, but I need to verify if they work in-game.

>>157917832
Did you try going in game?

>>157918216
I did, but I'm going with a New Save, so I'm just out of the vault.
Can I just try a console command for exemple?

>>157918406
You could just give yourself an assload of experience to get to level 15 to see if you get the radio signal to start Automatron.

>>157918469
Worked, thanks mate

>>157917140
Well there'll be some UV issues to work out, but otherwise it looks good.
So the mechanic will be that the power armor can use "steam", basically an independent value that's built up if the player walks around, but doesn't run. Steam can be used in place of AP for sprinting.
You can give it additional mods that let you do more with steam, like make your unarmed power attacks do more damage at the cost of steam, change how fast steam builds/is consumed, something that makes your pain train wreck the fuck out of people if you're at a certain steam percentage, and an experimental mod that lets you build steam doing most actions and makes it used in place of ALL AP actions, but will cause explode and melt if you go too high for steam.

>>157919145

I know Automatron's radio trigger can fail on occasion, not giving you the quest marker or the quest at all, period. It happened to me before. To be extra careful, listen to the radio message all the way through after entering an interior. For some reason loading screens or overworld loading can fuck with the triggers.

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what exactly am I doing wrong here
>everything is powered
>already talked to the ghoul bitch
>retarded man is assigned to expirement dootys
>non modded terminals
>terminal only lets me fuck with the 2 turrets in the next room and not the test paramaters

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>>157919650

Do you only have 1 terminal on the same power grid? If you have more than 1 they sometimes "fight" over which terminal does what. Noticed that little bug with my Nuka factory.

>>157919851
theres literally no other terminals anywhere else

I've uninstalled any mods that add terminals because I thought that was the problem

I also cant scrap the soda machine but newly placed ones can be scrapped

>>157899271
>all guns in FO4 are reversed just so everyone strains their wrists when reloading

I will never get over this.

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Animations done. It's scripting time, kiddos.

>>157920906
>instant hotfiles
Wouldenforcefrontierstylelawswith/10

>>157920906

All this work over one fucking gun in this half-baked game.

And yet I have total emotional investment in you completing this.

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>>157920906
>somebody is actually doing it
AHHHHHHHH

Anyone had problems with the Seasons (winter) mod?
It isn't working at all.
>>157920906
gr8

>>157920906
Good on you, you're the hero we've needed for a while now.

>>157920906

Will this work in third person too?

>>157921459
One step at a time, bby.

>>157920906
Shouldn't the pointy finger be at least a little curled?

>>157920906
absolutely based

this game might not be dead after all

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>>157920906

>>157920906
>>157921065
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>>157923515
>using non-canonical lore breaking animations

Lawsuit literally mother fucking goddamn when?

t. King "Not Todd" Crimson

>>157924024
yeah but bethesda cant into the lore
dont you know that already?

>>157924387
>cant into the lore

[mandatorY citatioN extremelY supeR requireD]

t. King "It just works"! Crimson

Walking also counts as roleplay, because we say so.

>>157920906
neato

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>>157920906
dude

>>157920906
>ammo doesn't individually increment in the other webm

Get back to work u slave

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Can I be a bullshot editor?

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>>157927741

>>157920906
Nice work pham

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>the marine armor

looks terrible

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>stumble upon Vault 81
>a cat runs by me on the way out
>I follow it to a reservoir
>"Go home, Erin misses you"
Who the fuck is Erin and why do I know their name?
>mfw tons of little immersion breaking shit like this adds up

>Skyrim Remastered will be on the Switch
10$ says Fallout 4 complete edition will be too.

>>157928867
>Skyrim
>Fallout
>Nintendo
No mods, no buy

>>157928828
Christ, that's fucking lazy.

>>157928921
Pretty much, I can't see mods being allowed on it

I don't think they'll even allow the shitty """"compromise""" that PS4 users got shit on with

At least they can be proud they won't have the absolute worst version

>taking Austin's tour
>he says lets go see the school
>he runs 3 feet into a guard and initiates dialogue
>after i respond, the dialoge camera sticks on me and i can't move
>cut to him running down the hall
>FAILED: Follow Austin
Now I have to do it all over again? Fucking christ.

>>157929701
>reload game after elevator
>austin says "Lady? Lady? HEY LADY?"
>won't initiate the tour dialogue
This shit is unacceptable, Todd.

>>157929863
It's not too late to pre-order Skyrim Special Edition

>>157929863
>>157930059
pls keep toddposting to a minimal
punished todd has seen enough

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>>157930196

>full melee run
>have to fight legendary Mirelurk queen
>fight literally takes half an hour

Jesus.

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>in vault 81
>telling a story to the kids
>talking about Pressed On Gravy and the Minutecucks
>I've never even been to the museum of cuckdom
holy shit

>>157930736
>stepping off of the Fallout 4 Adventure Line
Follow the script, anon. You aren't being not paid to adlib!

>>157930736
oit jorst woks

>>157930736
>people try and say the game doesn't railroad you (lel) into the minutemen shit

>>157930736
>cucks
>cucks
>cucks

Shitposting goes to the containment general.

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>>157930736

>>157931001
You're in it buddy

>>157931001
Cry more, faggot.
Did you get cucked?

>>157931086
Keep telling yourself that, NMA-kun.

>>157910940

it remains static throughout the animation without gripping the bullet

I keep having New Vegas crash on new character waking up in doc's bed. does NMM store files then effect them on launch or is there another place the files hide other than the steamapps. Do i have to purge my steam cloud?

>>157931803
Do you have Windows 10?

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Murphy go be weird somewhere else goddamn.

>>157931803
if Win10 you need older graphics drivers

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>fallout 4 on nintendo switch

>>157933068
>no mods worse than piss poor

>>157933068
>it'll still run at <10 fps in downtown

>>157932831
It was working before i installed the mods dude.

>>157933541
Then it's on you.
YOU fucked up.

>>157933646
But i did a clean install and i deleted every folder.

>>157933706
What about your registry?

>>157933706
You've still obviously fucked up somewhere, otherwise you wouldn't be having issues.

>>157933816
No shit, nigger. Thank you for that revelation.

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Got any good drops today?

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[muffled "what are you building" in the distance]

>>157934025
I'm over level 100 and I'm still almost exclusively getting this shit.

I mean, I pulled a Two Shot Gauss Rifle around level 20-30, but that gets boring quickly.
An Explosive Double Barrel would have been killer.

>>157934025
I found an auto 10mm pistol that fires 25% faster, but takes longer to reload.

works out well as my melee character's "spray and pray" side arm for things she can't hit with a bat.

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>you will never be able to play Fallout 4 with a steady, constant 60 fps

>>157935595
What, are you never going to make or save up $300 dollars?

>needing a gorillion lights to be able to see in vault 88

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My waifu gives the real Mona Sax a run for her money!

What are some essential mods to make the game more challenging/fun. Also; what mods are the types of mods you didn't know you needed until you installed them?

>inb4 nude fuck fest mods

>>157937938
what's her name ? :3

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>>157938392
Lord Buffquad!

>>157937994
>>inb4 nude fuck fest mods
>implying sex mods are a proper thing yet

>>157938481
There's already lewd mods; I was just stating that's not what I was looking for.

Do you have any 'essential' mods you would personally recommend?

Is there a mod for first-person shadows or is that too advanced for a Bethesda game?

>>157938780
There's only one mod I, personally, would consider essential and that's the one that lets you see exactly what you're going to say.

I miss Mr. New Vegas

>>157940089
I miss my spurs.

>>157940089
You miss someone with zero personality, and who acts so unethused about his job he make golf announcers look entertaining?

>>157940158
I was actually referring to the namefag back when FO3fags and NVfags got along.

>>157940243
So?

>>157940243
>back when FO3fags and NVfags got along.
This never happened, ever.

>>157940207
>someone with zero personality, and who acts so unethused about his job he make golf announcers look entertaining?
That's probably because he was an AI.

>>157938976
Ah--The dialogue mod, yeah that's essential. Albeit, I'd consider the mod where you can put any piece of armor/pieces together.

>>157940371
And yet codsworth only has a personality matrix and expresses more actual emotions.

But, House has always been fucking terrible at everything hes done, so, its not surprising he couldn't hack out a half decent AI.

>>157940362
>being new
It was an uneasy peace, but still a peace nonetheless. You could talk about FO3 lore and NV lore in the same posts.

Hell of a lot better than the shitpile situation /fog/ is in now, where even the mods don't know what to do about it.

>>157940432
>I'd consider the mod where you can put any piece of armor/pieces together.
I completely forgot about that even though I can't play without it.

>>157940469
>House has always been fucking terrible at everything hes done
I'd say it's because he's a supreme autist and doesn't get people rather than incompetence.

In a lot of ways, the Midwestern and Maxson BoS's are probably the single best post-war orginizations

Like the Legion, the BoS is a cult, and this cultist mentality gives them a unified, and single minded, purpose to drive them forward, resulting in very little internal squabbling. Unlike the Legion however, the BoS is a cult of ideals, following the orders of Maxson, and not Maxson himself.(not to imply they dont revere the Maxson and his lineage). The Legion on the other hand is a cult of personality, they follow Caesar, and not his ideals, which will result in their self implosion once he dies.

Like House, the MwBoS/Maxson BoS leverage the greatest of technology to help in their cause, giving them an extreme edge over everyone else in the wasteland. Unlike House however, they know the limits of technology, keep their humanity in the process. House took technology to its end, resulting in him becomes a corpse trapped in a tube, totally disconnected from the rest of humanity. And it is this connection that fueled the actions of the Omertas, the White Gloves, and Benny, to betray him.

Like the NCR, the BoS know how to use diplomacy to annex settlements ot thier cuase, ensuring a fresh supply of troops and other resources. Unlike the NCR however, the BoS takes am almost completely hands off approach to who they rule, letting them basically do whatever they want so long as they fork over the goods. The NCR tries its hardest to micromanage the lives of the people they take over, and tries to force them to change their ways to that of the NCR, resulting in a lot of the civil unrest we see/hear about in New Vegas.

The worst crime the BoS has is that of bigotry to non-feral ghouls. But even then, the MwBoS accepted non-ferals, super mutants, and even intelligent deathclaws into their ranks. While Maxson simply lets non-ferals have thier own little towns like Goodneighbor, so long as they don't interfere with the BoS's operations.

>>157940432
>>157940593
and concealed armors too, if I have the more armor slots mod, I have to have concealed armors because I can't stand the clipping some of them have.

>>157941479
>Like the NCR, the BoS know how to use diplomacy to annex settlements ot thier cuase, ensuring a fresh supply of troops and other resources. Unlike the NCR however, the BoS takes am almost completely hands off approach to who they rule, letting them basically do whatever they want so long as they fork over the goods.
And the BoS aren't gouging them for taxes and everything, just food to keep their faction alive.
They're after needs, not shekels.

>>157941729
^This too.

There is a reason why the BoS is the oldest, most wide spread, and, arguably, the most successful faction to rise up post-war.

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>>157944560

>>157944560
this wouldnt be so bad if it werent for the fact theres a dick

>>157938464
>male title
How appropriate

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>600+ hours
>heavily modded, even uninstalling and adding mods on-the-go
>on the same savegame since the release
>only had:
>1 CTD
>1 infinite loading screen
>2 freezes during VATS

Say what you will, compared to previous Bethesda installments, FO4 is stable as fuck.

>>157935404
>melee character
>gun
Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon

>>157945134
Got to give 'em that, yeah.
Hope it'll be the same with Skyrim remastered edition.

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Is pic related finally in? I don't see a reason to play this console spin off unless I can roleplay as shinji/best girl

>>157945320
Wow, those textures are utter shit.

>>157945134
too bad the settlement mechanic, voiced protag, godawful leveling system hold this game back from being great

>>157945225
Not him, but vanilla Skyrim wasn't that bad either.

I got it day 1, and have had like, all of 3 CTds, and two of them were caused by mods

>>157945590
>too bad the settlement mechanic
>godawful leveling system
Nice memes

>>157945628
I've had a very similar experience with New Vegas as well.

>>157945856
Lying on the internet is never cool m8.

>>157946042
No, seriously.
I've only had a few CTDs and most of them came from having issues with ENBs.

I bought it on release date and everything.

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>>157945628
>>157920906

Let's see. I think I have this whole system figured out, but I'm not 100% sure.

If this does work, it pretty much means the issue of idles in this game is completely fixed and sex animation mods can get started. The only difference is that behaviors are handled via graph and subgraph folders.

>>157945628
>>157945856

Well, yes, Vanilla worked quite fine.
But Skyrim was prone to CTD once you ran mods that edited the world cells, and especially once you got mods that did things via scripts. Even rather simple mods like the Footprints one caused immense script-lag in situations and bugs with Vanilla spells. Wanted to run, let's say, Wet & Cold, Frostfall and some other scripted survival mod like Realistic Needs together without running into issues? Tough luck!
The entire "unstable once scripted" situation, which also sometimes could lead to savebloats, was so bad with Skyrim, there's still modders out there who refuse to do anything scripted, even when it's something as simple as adding weapons to the leveled lists, because "SCRIPTS ARE EVIL AND BRAEK U GAEM!!1".

All of this is a non-issue with FO4's engine.

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>>157945765
>the minecraft mode
>a meme
>the garbage leveling system
>a meme
next you'll tell me you like the shitty legendary effects system and """"""unique"""""" guns not actually being unique

>>157946508
>All of this is a non-issue with FO4's engine.
Fallout 4 has the exact same "once a script is started, it gets baked into the save game" shit Skyrim did.

The problem with scripts in skyrim is that most modders are honestly fucking terrible when it comes to scripting, and thus, blame their scripts problems on the game.

>>157946698
>Implying the Fallout 4 leveling system is bad when it fixes most of the problems the Fo3 and NV one had, and has comparatively less problems itself.

>Implying adding a mode that lets you rebuild the world, in a series all about the world rebuilding, is either bad, or like minecraft
Its actually closer to Gmod

Fawkes a cute

>tfw the NCR armor mod doesn't have working lights

Not updated since July, is the mod dead ?

>>157946698
You don't add extra emphasis by adding several quotation marks, it just makes you look retarded.

>>157946721
Yeah, though it helps that FO4 already provides most scripts freely via the CK, including the leveled lists stuff, which is something Skyrim didn't.

>>157946862
You are a terrible person and the reason why Bethesda catters to casuals.

Is there any way to get the assets from Tinas Mod WITHOUT THE FUCKING GOD DAMN AUTISTIC MOD ITSELF

>>157947229
Nice refutation of the arguments there

>>157947315
He's not wrong.

>>157947286
No, because DoubleDickProductions is a spoiled, entitled and legally retarded manchild.

>>157947286
Theoretically, you could download it and tear it apart in the GECK.
That's probably a fucking lot of work though.

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>>157947001
>unoctium
broken mods
extremely broken, and if you bring this up your comments get deleted
>>157946918
not today mutie lover

>>157946862
>Implying the Fallout 4 leveling system is bad when it fixes most of the problems the Fo3 and NV one had, and has comparatively less problems itself

except this is not true at all
in 3 and nv the Gunslinger perk affected all 1 hand gun weapons, conventional and energy meaning taking it would inadvertantly improve your energy chances if you're going guns and vice versa

the same problem is in this game with rifleman affecting non automatic rifles, both energy and ballistic.

You dont fix the problem by shuffling the deck

>>157947441
I didn't even know about this guy until today. Jesus Christ.

>>157947515
I am so fucking tempted to learn the GECK for this sole purpose.

>>157947664
Should give it a go, anon.
There's been plenty of people in exactly your position.
You could be a sick cunt and get the good stuff for us.

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Is it unusual to love 3 and NV (mainly 3) but not really click/dislike 4? I know the local NMAfag population make 3 and 4 to be in the same catagory as BoS, but to me 3 felt like a fan game with a poor engine. As in made by people who loved Fallout and trying to appeal to people who loved Fallout.

4 just felt, I dunno, souless. Nice waifu simulator, but everything else felt like an executive board decision.

>>157947368
He kinda is though

Anyone who thinks Fallout 4's leveling system is bad, or even worse then the Fo3/NV one is retarded

-In Fallout 3/NV, the 1-100 skills spread power gains over such a large range that you only ever got an effective increase in power every 20-25 levels
-In Fallout 4, the 5 ranked perks offer HIGHER increases in things like weapon damage damage then 20 skill points in Fo3/NV did, while also bundling them into a smaller range so each increase is more noticeable and effective

-In Fallout 3/NV, skills like lockpicking and Science literally nly mattered every 25 points, with al lthe other points being 100% worthless, since those were the only ranks that unlocked higher tiered locks/computers
-in Fallout 4, the 4 ranked perk achives the same thing as the 1-100 skill system, just without forcing you to take 100% useless upgrades most of the time to reach newer locks/hacking

-In Fallout 3/NV, SPECIAL stats like Charisma, Perception, and Intelligence to osme extend, where worthless since skills/perks did everything they did anyways. You could have 1 charisma, but still pass every speech check since you had 100 speech skill
-In Fallout 4, SPECIAL stats like those are far more useful since, with the elimination of skills, things skills did have been moved to SPECIAL, and SPECIAL is now tied to what perks you can get. Making you actually NEED to focus on a certain playstyle

-In Fallout 3/NV, there were no limiters on skills, allowing you to break the game, and cheese it, by stat dumping one skill to 100 before level 8.
-In Fallout 4, since everything was moved to perks, it enabled them to put level caps on those perks, making you unable to cheese/unbalance the game via stat dumping

I could go on, but Fo4's system is MILES better

How bad is this game actually? I'm considering burning my money by buying it on sale but I already know its a mistake.

>>157948040
>Making you actually NEED to focus on a certain playstyle
>in a game with no level cap

>>157947549
>in 3 and nv the Gunslinger perk affected all 1 hand gun weapons, conventional and energy meaning taking it would inadvertantly improve your energy chances if you're going guns and vice versa
That's not a problem though

>>157948163
>I already know its a mistake.
You'd be right.
Just wait until there's a complete edition and buy it on sale for $20 or less.

>>157948163
if you dont like crafting shit in games you're not gonna like it

>>157948164
>Le "NO LEVEL CAP" meme
The no level cap meme is beyond retarded.

It takes something like 340+ levels to max out everything, and a normal playthrough of the base game + all DLC will only get you to like level 140, and even then, many people don't make it that far.

If you play the game normally, you will never even get half of the perks available in the game.

>>157948040
too bad the only checks are CHA and literally fucking one check in medicine or something in FH

>>157948643
That isn't a fault of the perk system, but a fault with the quest designers.

Also there are robotics expert checks in NW.

>>157948163
Personally, I think it's better than FO3 and FO:NV.
If you don't mind a more railroaded main-storyline and ignore the settlement and crafting system - which is something you don't have to do, but more of an extra minigame - it's probably closer to a real Fallout game than the aforementioned titles, especially when you get the DLCs. Far Harbor is great, as far as multiple questlines and endings go, and Nuka World, while not as complex, is still highly underrated, because it's true back-to-the-roots Mad-Max-style Fallout.

It gets a lot of Flak for the limited dialogue options during the main story due to the voiced protagonist, sure, but it certainly doesn't ruin the game, as you can still properly roleplay during the sidequests, which make up for the majority of the experience.
Same goes for the crafting/settlement stuff, really. It's an extra you can just ignore if you don't like it. Even if you do some Minutemen/Raider outpost quests, there's still absolutely no downside whatsoever gameplay-wise if you leave your settlers to rot and never build anything in your outposts. Unless you're seriously autistic, or your OCD can't handle it, you don't have to do jack-shit when one of your settlements is under attack, or the pip-boy's settlement page tells you to build X to make your settlers happy.

>>157948643
Except
1. That is fundamentally false as
A. There is a STR skill check to pull the minigun of the vritbird in Concord if your not in PA
B. A perception check to determine the cause of a radio being broken in Covenant
C. A Luck check to hit said radio andj ust fix it
D. Intelligence checks in both the USS Constitution quest, and in dialogue with the BoS/Institute that change your response if your INT is high enough
E. A robotics expert check in Nuka world.

2. Skill checks have largely been removed from RPGs in general because 99% of skill checks only existed to do something, or express some knowledge, that otherwise couldn't be done/obtained in another way due to the limits of early RPGs, limits modern ones don't.

Skill checks should be largely non existant outside of CHA based ones, ad Charisma is one of the few systems we can't let the player directly control at this point in time.

>>157948981
>back-to-the-roots Mad-Max-style Fallout.
HOW?

>>157948040
You're a retard. 3/NV didn't have a perfect system, but 4's is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.

>In Fallout 3/NV, the 1-100 skills spread power gains over such a large range that you only ever got an effective increase in power every 20-25 levels
Every 25 Points. That's two levels, provided you dump all your points into one skill. Which is what FO4 FORCES you to do with its perk system. The only thing here is that you LOSE more options.

>bundling them into a smaller range so each increase is more noticeable and effective
Yes and no. Yes, you need less perk points, but the level requirements ruin it. You didn't have level requirements in FO3 and NV for skills. If you wanted to have maxed out science by level 5, by god you can. In FO4 you're forced to wait, which means you have to spend your points elsewhere, which means your perks become very cookie-cutter and boring. You can't be a specialist, start off one way and gradually get better at the other stuff, you're forced to level at the same consistent pace as everyone else. Which makes the game boring, and damn near un-replayable.

>In Fallout 3/NV, there were no limiters on skills, allowing you to break the game, and cheese it, by stat dumping one skill to 100 before level 8.
And having no skills in anything else? That's not called breaking the game, that's called role-playing. By trying their best to control every single aspect of progression, Bethesda ruins the role-playing. The fact that better guns are tied to leveled lists, and perks to levels, means that no matter what the effect skills have CAN'T break the game as much as you claim.

>Making you actually NEED to focus on a certain playstyle
Too bad you can level SPECIAL whenever so everyone just pumps their shit to 10.

>>157948163
Very bad. Buy it for the CK.

>>157949067
Tell me how Nuka World isn't literally something out of Mad Max.

>>157949004
WOAH, five whole checks?
That's too much for me.
I'm overwhelmed by role playing choice.

>Skill checks should be largely non existant outside of CHA based ones
Oh, okay. You're just retarded.

>>157949152
Got any screencaps of wacky themeparks in Mad Max?

>>157948981
You're a goddamn retard.
How does this get to the root of FO1 or 2?

>It gets a lot of Flak for the limited dialogue options during the main story due to the voiced protagonist, sure, but it certainly doesn't ruin the game, as you can still properly roleplay during the sidequests, which make up for the majority of the experience.
>role playing game
>you can only roleplay in a few sections
>and if you ignore the game's story
In that case, just go play another game.

>>157949004
Wow! Literally 5 skill checks.

>2. Skill checks have largely been removed from RPGs in general because 99% of skill checks only existed to do something, or express some knowledge, that otherwise couldn't be done/obtained in another way due to the limits of early RPGs, limits modern ones don't.
That's just not fucking true. Skill checks are an essential way of rewarding playings for role-playing, and making their choices seem more significant, as well as adding flavor to the world. Notice how memorable the idiot options in early FO and NV were?

>Skill checks should be largely non existant outside of CHA based ones, ad Charisma is one of the few systems we can't let the player directly control at this point in time.
Sure we can?

>>157949152
Where's Master Blaster?
Also Mad Max was grim and dystopian and Nuka is bright and colorful and goofy.

Also Nuka is the furthest shit from FO1 did you even play that game.

>>157949090
>You can't be a specialist, start off one way and gradually get better at the other stuff, you're forced to level at the same consistent pace as everyone else.
inb4 "mods fix it"

>>157949412
I did though
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/19292?

>>157949408
You used a lot of words to say nothing but "you're wrong because I say you are, and because I gave a few irrelevant examples of unrelated things, it shows that I'm educated", but if rather than respecting your "style" I call you out on your insipid bullshit, you can fall back on saying "see, I was being ironic the whole time, because I made a post like yours", without ever addressing the actual points made in my post...but without "risk" to your anonymous "pride", because you made not a single actual point in your post.

Inability to address the content of a post is the only motivation leading you to snidely attack its form, as if there's something wrong with utilizing a language specifically popularized because of its range, precision and flexibility.

I imagine that your helplessness to grasp arguments, coupled with your hallucinations of conceding a point and becoming less wrong as being paramount to utter dishonor, must result in a particularly uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance on the undoubtedly rare occasion that you actually have need to apply yourself.

>>157949551
My point was that, regardless of what mods can do, it's a problem with the base game.
It's a design flaw.
Unofficial things after the fact are irrelevant.

>>157949698
>without ever addressing the actual points made in my post
Are you stupid?
He DID address your points.
You're the one ignoring his.

>>157949710
100% True

>>157949698
>I imagine that your helplessness to grasp arguments, coupled with your hallucinations of conceding a point and becoming less wrong as being paramount to utter dishonor, must result in a particularly uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance on the undoubtedly rare occasion that you actually have need to apply yourself.
But I addressed every point you made. Stop using SAT words you barely understand.


>It gets a lot of Flak for the limited dialogue options during the main story due to the voiced protagonist, sure, but it certainly doesn't ruin the game, as you can still properly roleplay during the sidequests, which make up for the majority of the experience.

>role playing game
>you can only roleplay in a few sections
>and if you ignore the game's story
>In that case, just go play another game.

>2. Skill checks have largely been removed from RPGs in general because 99% of skill checks only existed to do something, or express some knowledge, that otherwise couldn't be done/obtained in another way due to the limits of early RPGs, limits modern ones don't.

>That's just not fucking true. Skill checks are an essential way of rewarding playings for role-playing, and making their choices seem more significant, as well as adding flavor to the world. Notice how memorable the idiot options in early FO and NV were?

Let the thread decide. I think those refutations speak for themselves, even if they're not perfect. Don't ignore my argument, tell me how I'm wrong.

>>157949408
>That's just not fucking true.
Except it is true

Skill checks in older RPGs consisted of two primary types
1. Physical checks
2. Knowledge checks

Physical checks consisted of shit like
-Needing 8 perception to spot the trap/hidden button
-Needing 6 agility to maneuver past the swinging traps
-Needing 80 sneak skill to successfully sneak past the guy
-Needing 8 strength to move a obulder
etc. etc.

When it comes to these kinds of checks, they have all been made 100% pointless by modern technology
-We can now just SEE said traps/buttons
-We now have controls fine enough to move our character through swinging traps
-We now have complex mechanics that can deal with things like line of sight, darkness levels, how much noise you make, etc. to determine if we sneak successfully or not
-And when it comes to things like moving boulders, games now support complex active puzzles to move bloackages, that eliminate the need for a pure stat check


When it comes to checks of knowledge, that would be something like needing 80 lore skill to show you know something about the world.

In regards to those kinds of checks, they only existed because older RPGs lacked the complex and in depth system of books, notes, terminal entries, emails, or codex entries.

Knowledge checks are useless in modern RPGs because we don't need to pump 50 points into a "lore" skill to magically learn something, we can just read a book/note.


This is why basically all modern RPGs, Mass Effect, Deus Ex, TES, Fallout, Witcher, etc. have no skill checks outside charisma.

They have been made 100% useless by advances in technology that allow for more complex, and direct, interaction in the game world rather then indirect magical learning via stat pumping.

The only reason why the checks in FH and NW, exist is because Bethesda didn't feel it was worth the time/budget to develop a minigame like those for lockpicking/hacking for something that only gets used 1/2 times.

>>157950145
Look at your own posts before you post something as fucking stupid as that.
Sure, I'm being an asshole to you, but I'm not being an asshole to other people. Maybe if you had one fucking ounce of a brain, you'd be able to determine why. Being a fucking unlikable shit won't get you anywhere in life. And based on the way you react to things, and your superiority complex, you're more than just a fucking unlikable shit, you're literally lower than the lowest lifeform on this planet that still has a brain to operate. I don't need your help, because I've got other people who are actually respectable humans beings that would be willing to help. Buffscale is a better person than you, even if he has his quirks. He doesn't go all out and start hating on everyone who calls him a faggot, and he tries to respond in politeness to anyone who fucking helps. You're the fucking asshole here, on a larger scale than I or anyone else.
Get fucked, kid.

>>157950145
inb4 "I was pretending to be retarded"
inb4 no response
inb4 excessive ad hom
inb4 "who cares nerd lmao"

>>157950285
>>157950275
Fuck, ten seconds off.

>>157950259
>-We can now just SEE said traps/buttons
>-We now have controls fine enough to move our character through swinging traps
>-We now have complex mechanics that can deal with things like line of sight, darkness levels, how much noise you make, etc. to determine if we sneak successfully or not
>-And when it comes to things like moving boulders, games now support complex active puzzles to move bloackages, that eliminate the need for a pure stat check
Gee anon, maybe they'd come up with more relevant checks.
You know, something that worked with modern technology rather than just ditching it and putting absolutely nothing in it's place.

>>157950275
>Sure, I'm being an asshole to you, but I'm not being an asshole to other people. Maybe if you had one fucking ounce of a brain, you'd be able to determine why. Being a fucking unlikable shit won't get you anywhere in life. And based on the way you react to things, and your superiority complex, you're more than just a fucking unlikable shit, you're literally lower than the lowest lifeform on this planet that still has a brain to operate. I don't need your help, because I've got other people who are actually respectable humans beings that would be willing to help.

The fuck are you even going on about. We were arguing about how FO3's system was better or worse than FO4. How did this turn into a judgement of my character?

I mean, you're free to think what you want, but refute my points first. Otherwise you're just screaming into the abyss for no reason.

>>157950259
What's with those dumbass checks anyways. As technology improves, we can always come up with better and more interesting checks for things that are too complex to be abstracted, like medicine, OR re-imagine the checks to be more relevant.

You can have a minigame for moving a boulder, BUT make it easier if you have more STR.

You can make a minigame to sneak past the guy, BUT make it easier if you have more sneak (Which is how stealth already works.)

The problem isn't checks, it's people too lazy or uninventive enough to come up with better systems.

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>>157950429
>>157950931
At this point I just wouldn't bother. Sadly, there will always be people defending the dumbing down of games, and if Fallout 5 is a game where your only goal is to "shoot the bad guys" with no SPECIAL, no skills, no nothing, they'll still defend that.

>>157950559
>Gee anon, maybe they'd come up with more relevant checks.
That would imply there are.

There are not.

All direct physical actions can be done directly in a modern game, thus eliminating the need for an abstract check.

Stop needingly trying to make up ways to shoehorn something that no longer has a purpose into modern games.

It just makes you look like an angry nostalgia fag who is mad that games aren't like the way they were when you first started playing ,regardless of the reason behind it.

>>157951065
>dumbing down

I love this meme

>>157950931
> things that are too complex to be abstracted, like medicine
Except medicie isn't too complex to be abstraced.

Bethesda had developed a entire surgery minigame for Fallout 3 that would have bypassed stim packs and medicine checks.

the only reason they ditched it was because they felt like it interrupted the flow of the game too much.

>>157951171
>There are not.
Hey, just because you have no imagination doesn't mean other people don't.

>It just makes you look like an angry nostalgia fag who is mad that games aren't like the way they were when you first started playing
>implying I care about appearances
lmao nigger
lmao

>>157951258
What would you call it, then?
Because taking things out to make the easier isn't making them more complex, it isn't making them harder and it sure as hell isn't making them better.

>>157950931
Oh no, you don't. You think you can just run away from the debate like that, saying "lol I'm right because I say so" and then leaving before anyone can correct you? Think again, bitch. I will be waiting here for you and if you EVER come back to this thread we will pick up right where we left off, and I'll link to the archives so you can't lie about how the argument went last time. "Abloobloo I'm tiered!" "Boo hoo, you just like to argue!" Fuck off, I'm stating my case factually and you're just replying with memes and ad hominem to dodge the debate. Your credibility here is ruined, kid.

You keep trying to drag people into your mentally constructed competitive arena, in which you are in a match with everyone you reply to. For some reason you feel like once they reply back, they've agreed to this contest you've fabricated in your warped mind, and everything they say from now on is some attempt to "win", when all they really want to do is just get the fuck away from you and pretend you don't exist.

>>157951375
>I'm stating my case factually and you're just replying with memes and ad hominem to dodge the debate. Your credibility here is ruined, kid.
That is quite literally what you're doing and he isn't.

Are people actually this stupid?
Am I in the Twilight Zone?

>>157951342
Complex isn't always a good thing.
There's a very distinct difference between dumbing down and streamlining/simplfying. The systems are still there; they're just easier to access and understand.

It's the Oblivion vs Skyrim argument all over again.

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>>157951375
>you
>accusing anyone else of ad hominem

>>157951342
>Hey, just because you have no imagination
This isn't an argument, its just saying "ur dumb!" without proving any actual examples of what you want, which is basically avoiding the actual argument.

If you are so imaginative, provide examples that can't be easily shot down.

>>157951065
I don't know if you're agreeing with me, or the other guy, but I agree.

Some parts of games are needlessly complex, sure.

>>157951171
>All direct physical actions can be done directly in a modern game, thus eliminating the need for an abstract check.
That's some bullshit
Can you perform surgery directly?
Can you fix an engine, or

>>157951258
FO4 is the most egregious form of dumbing down that Fallout has ever seen.

>>157951318
That's another good point, minigames kill the flow. But even then you can make medicine minigames easier based on medicine skills, or give the player more options or make the medicine more potent. There are a billion ways to make skill checks engaging while still keeping it, well, a skill check.

>>157951375
>>157951494

The fuck?
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/124965184/#q125051907
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/141275789/#q141280253

It isn't quite a pasta. Are you just pasting the same shit in different threads?

>>157951537
What about harder?
What about better?

You didn't answer my question.
How is taking things out of the game to make it easier NOT dumbing it down?

>>157951649
>https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/124965184/#q125051907
>https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/141275789/#q141280253
Okay, so I am in the Twilight Zone or he's just a retard

>>157951649
I'm agreeing with you, kos boss.

I think the best part is where he just started ignoring your points and then accused you of doing the same.

On a more shitposty note, I can't wait to see if /fog/ dies.

>>157951649
>Can you perform surgery directly?
>Can you fix an engine, or
You don't need to do it 100% realistically.

You just need an abstraction like what we get with hacking/lockpicking.

>That's another good point, minigames kill the flow.
Except, minigames in general do not. See lockpicking/hacking.

The problem with the surgery minigame was doing it in battle all the time broke the flow of the battle.

>>157951649
>It isn't quite a pasta.
I hate to break it to you, but more than half the posts you replied to were actually pasta. I'm pretty sure it's that "smug dunmer face" cunt who's posting it. Most of it dates back to 2014 /dsg/, before "Pastaman" moved on to /tesg/ and other boards.

>>157951578
>that can't be easily shot down.
Not that anon, but I have a feeling you'll shoot it down with "I don't like it" or "it's stupid" regardless.
You seem to hate checks with a passion.

>>157951905
Again, the problem isn't whether we can replace the skill checks with minigames.

But whether we can work skill checks into minigames, that should be the goal. Even Lockpicking and hacking work skill checks into minigames, by making them easier or letting you attempt harder locks.

>>157951960
Yeah, I figured as much. Typical /tesg/ cancer, evem Trainwiz says they're too awful now and he only uses the /tg/ TES threads.

Hey guys. Waifufag here.

After all of these posts, I have finally opened my eyes. What the fuck am I doing with my life? I'm going to fail college yet again and I still have no job, and I'm fucking 26. Fuck my life.

I'm really sorry. I just post waifus for attention. I'm really lonely in real life; all I have is my dog, who is already old and can't play anymore.

I'm going to post without my tripcode because it's honestly embarassing. In the name of all tripfags in this thread, I am sorry. I can bet nearly everything most tripfags ITT are losers like me.

>>157951843
>How is taking things out of the game to make it easier NOT dumbing it down?
Because they aren't being taken out to make the game easier, they are being taken out because there are new ways to do those things that are more direct.

Being direct just has the side effect of making it easier since the most you abstract something, the more difficult it is to understand, as you are moving further and further away from what it actually is. And, vice versa, the more direct you make something, the more you make it like the hting you are doing.

>>157951649
>>157951960
>>157951843
>people actually think they're smart for posting shit filled pasta as an argument
The internet was a mistake.

>>157951843
Because if those things are unneeded in the first place, there's no problem with trimming the fat. Harder and better are two very different words.
Also, quit being so aggressive, guy.

>>157952096
> by making them easier or letting you attempt harder locks.
Which should be removed entirely.

Its beyond idiotic that, unless you have X lockpick/hacking perk, you can't even TRY to hack/lockpick a computer, and, instead, a magical barrier just comes out of nowhere going LOLNOPE!

I honestly don't understand why Bethesda keep shoving that illogical system in Fallout, when they don't do it in TES.

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>>157952096
but trainwiz is an egotistical cunt

>>157952260
>lockpicking should be removed entirely
You should just go and play CoD and Minecraft if that's all you're interested.
You're clearly not interested in RPGs.

>>157952260
>>157952128
Again, there's no reason minigames and skill checks can't live in harmony. Look at Human Revolution's speech system. Getting more speech augmentations helps and can improve your outcome, but is not necessary. Or having skills grant you better results if you pass a minigame, or stuff like that. Skill checks don't need to go away, they just need to find a way to coexist with minigames.

>>157952435
Eh, he's always been helpful to me, and vice versa. I'll trust the years I've worked with him over some random screenshot.

I don't know what he was bitching about, but I'll give the benefit of a doubt here.

>>157952197
>as an argument
They don't care about the discussion at all, and just do it for their own entertainment and/or as satire, to show how "passionate" some of the name/tripfags can get about their opinions.

That, and to get rid of "unironical" shitposters, to "cleanse" the thread, as their posts usually get deleted as well, once the thread is derailed enough, or when there's enough reports for the janitors to step in.

>>157952435
>Train-"I did this mod in one day, despite undergoing heavy surgery to have my legs replaced with steam-powered jet-engines; get on my level!"-Wiz
>egotistical
You think so?

>>157952435
Then that says a lot about /tesg/, doesn't it?

>>157952745
/tesg/ is fine when it's just lorefags
there isn't a retarded old vs new rift like we have

>>157952624
>wanting my RPgs to play in a way that is realistic, believable, and not based on 100% arbitrary magical bullshit, means I should go to CoD
Man, people are willing to go far to defend their nostalgia.

>>157952682
>Again, there's no reason minigames and skill checks can't live in harmony
Besides, again, theres no need for them since it can be all done directly.

Everything you have suggested thus far is totally needless shoehorning for old times sake.

> Look at Human Revolution's speech system. Getting more speech augmentations helps and can improve your outcome, but is not necessary.
I already said charisma is basically the only thing we need checks for several times. thanks for agreeing with me.

However, Charisma based activites like that only need skill checks because we cannot directly communicate with NPCs ourselves, like how we can directly control our PCs movement around things like traps.

All you are doing is now is proving everything I said earlier, without even realizing it

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Is FROST stable? I want to get in on it before the author starts adding a bunch of useless bloat, gimmicks, and tedium like all the "hardcore" mods eventually do.

>>157952128
>because there are new ways to do those things that are more direct.
Except they're not.
Where is the direct method of helping heal sick soldier?
Where's the direct method of repairing anything? There is that rocket boat thing where you get the cannon, props to that because it was the one of the few, if not only, direct things AND had a check
Where's the direct method of having enough medical/scientific/etc/etc knowledge to help someone do something?

>>157953163
>Everything you have suggested thus far is totally needless shoehorning for old times sake.
Why do you consider rewarding players for their choices shoehorning? That boggles my mind.

>I already said charisma is basically the only thing we need checks for several times. thanks for agreeing with me.
>All you are doing is now is proving everything I said earlier, without even realizing it
Yes, we can agree on some subjects while disagreeing on others. This isn't the presidential debate.

>>157953291
There's actually several science AND medical skill checks in Far Harbor.

>>157953291
>Where is the direct method of helping heal sick soldier?
injecting him with a stimpack.

>Where's the direct method of repairing anything?
You mean like how in NW you can get the part of the "spaceship" and just fit them into their obvious places?

>Where's the direct method of having enough medical/scientific/etc/etc knowledge to help someone do something?
Made for Fallout 3, then removed due to the originally system being too flow breaking.

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>>157952230
>those things are unneeded in the first place
Entirely subjective.

>Harder and better are two very different words.
Yeah, that's why they were two separate questions.

>quit being so aggressive, guy
pic very much related
That's equivalent to "just chill bro" which is shitty reasoning used by stoners.

>>157953163
>knowledge on subjects relevant to a situation is "arbitrary magical bullshit"
You're retarded.

>>157953414
>Why do you consider rewarding
The reward comes from getting said thing done, not from passing the skill check.

If passing the skill check is the reward to you, then you are an easily amused retard.

>Yes, we can agree on some subjects while disagreeing on others
The point was that, in agreeing with me on the charisma thing, you are inadvertently disproving the other part of your stance by totally ignoring why speech is different from everything else, while saying "make it more like speech!"

WHERE THE FUCK IS ADHESIVE STUFF
I CAN'T MAKE A SINGLE FUCKING THING

>>157952879
>/tesg/ is fine when it's just lorefags
That's why the /tg/ threads are great, it's almost exclusively lorefags.
That never happens in /tesg/

>>157953641
Duct Tape. Check every garage you come across. And Wonderglue, of course, but that's quite rare.

>>157953608
>This level of straw man
I have never picked a lock in my life, yet, if I were to lock my front door right now, get a bobby pin, and then try to pick it, a magical barrier wouldn't just fly in front of me out of nowhere saying "NOPe, you cant even try unless you take an online course on how to lockpick!"

And that is exactly why it should be removed in games

>>157953627
>The reward comes from getting said thing done, not from passing the skill check.
They're the same thing.

>If passing the skill check is the reward to you, then you are an easily amused retard.
>enjoying being successful at something means you have a mental deficiency
inb4 who cares about being successful in vidya get a life"

>>157953641
Check the food crafting menu.
There's a thing you can make with easily harvestable things that makes adhesive.