/twg/ Total War General

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Karak Eight Peaks

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It is now October. The sallow season deepens its hold on Athel Loren. It is a dark time, a time of mourning. As the spites and spirits of the forest grow slothful and recalcitrant, the enemies of the Asrai seek to defile the sacred glades. Ratposting is rampant. The King and the Warlord looms, unwanted and unalliterative. Athel Loren is a realm under siege. The King of the Woods cannot be found; the kinbands are scattered and given over to dissolute indulgence, pursuing until the last comfort over exertion.

Yet it is comfort itself that is imperiled; Should the Asrai fade from the Old World the beauty of their existence, a recordless history of leisure and frivolity without equal, will disappear, leaving the clamoring, scrabbling bustle of the outside world without counterpoint or enlightening example. It is a dark time. But even in the deep gloom of autumn, a hope flickers. A whisper on the winds, melodious like the clinking of tea cups on saucers.

Wood Elves soon.

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>no memes
oh fug :DD

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G O B L I N S

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH No memes for you

Is FotE good for anything other than WRE/ERE?

>>157348282
No

>>157347328
I love you

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What the fuck happened to Age of Vikings?

>>157348794
it was too good so it had to be removed

>>157348794
They got Christianised

What do norscans get from nurgle if they're not actually devoted to him?
Tzeentch covers their magic, Khorne's the warrior god, Slaanesh is how they get those doomstacks so fast
But what does nurgle have to offer them in particular?

>>157348794
It got turned into a TT game

SHIIIIIIITMAAAAAAR

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WHICH ONE?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11423838

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>>157348794
It got what it deserved!
we don't know, the creator has said nothing

>>157348380
care to elaborate?

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S K A V E N

>>157349724
Don't exist you nutter

>>157349724
>rat men meme

LE SKAVEN DONT EXIT MEME XDDDD
LE MAYBE LE SKAVEN ENXT EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE KNOWS SKAVEN WILL BE A DLC IN THE FUTURE BUT WE GRASP AT STRAWS FOR WHAT REASON MEME XDD

guys please don't mind my shitpost I'm just a very depressed and lonely person who thinks about suicide everyday and at times I can't control myself and do stupid stuff like this

>>157350762
t: triggered rat-lover

>>157348794
I was about to ask this because I felt like playing it just now. What the fuck.

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>>157350762
>He thinks there's a secret underground empire of man sized rats secretly plotting to overtake the surface and kill everybody

Lay off the meth

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>>157351109
You have to post the image as well.

>Skarsnik is gonna be released

Finally a reason for me to play as the Greenskins

>>157351691

Is there any word on how his pet Squig is handled? Is it going to be in the game at all?

>>157352026
Yes, and Squigs are gonna be a unit.

>>157352026

It says it right on the Steam page Anon.

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>>157352026

I just don't know Anon.

>>157348794
Did something happen to Age of Italia and Age of Britannia as well?

>>157352837
HOLY SHIT ITS ALL GONE WTF!

>>157352507
Do you think Gobbla gives him rimjobs?

>>157352837
>>157352993

Steam Workshop was a mistake.

>>157347797
Are better off dead.

>>157353214
Why do you think hes called "Gobbla"

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>>157347797
Goblins...

>>157353860
Best sight.

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

So CA confirmed in Comments regular Greenskins and Dwarf's cant hire the new legendary lords, and the new LL cant hire the old ones. Two completely different factions.

>>157357545
Makes sense for greenies. No orc boss worth his salt would ever be bossed around by a goblin

>>157357545
But can they confederate? Sorta the same way Empire gets Todbringer.

>>157357813
Grimgor is gonna get cucked by Skarsnik, then.

>>157357545
>>157357813
It's kind of interesting, though, that the Dwarves of Karaz a Karak/Karak Kadrin can't hire Belegar themselves. I mean, of course he'd never leave the battle for Karak Eight-Peaks, but once you capture the lost hold you'd think he'd be willing to be hired.

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If I use chaos divided but i dont play as chaos, does the AI recruit the new units? Do they have good army comps using the new units?

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STILL NOT ANNOUNCED

Seriously, the whole "skaven don't exist XD" meme is so fucking 6th edition its not funny. The fact that we still have AMATEUR memesters still pushing this garbage really grinds my gears as a supporter of healthy and fair use of memes.

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>>157359117
>Healty and fair use of memes
Oh man, what a time to be alive.

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What if I told you all that the Skaven actually exist?

Memes are against the rules guys.

>>157360012
Shut up cuck

>>157359928
>>>/x/

>>157347797
the deep thinking goblin sits there, in the back of your head. It sometimes call out on you, gives you a drive, changes your mood.

The deep thinking goblin sometimes comes out when I make a post that is not up to par. It tells me "no, this isnt right". And then the deep thinking goblin comes out with vidya, or tv series and tells me "no, this is boring, do something else"

and then there is nothing that can change that.

The deep thinking goblin even goes further, when you look at a QT girl, and the deep thinking goblin goes like "is she wearing piercings? Are those tattoo's? What the fuck is she eating? Does she look like she is pretty dumb and/or a consumer whore?" And then no matter what, without the deep thinking goblins approval. Nothing works anymore.

The deep thinking goblin forces you to give a cringeworthy smile, to a marketer, work employee or some other person that EVERYONE likes, because the deep thinking goblin tells you that what that person is and does, its shit.

The deep thinking goblin goes out into the city, sees all the shitskins, niggers, fat people, and other assortments of degenerate retards and tells you "when they smile at you, give them the meanest look you can muster, because they are shit."

and still, this deep thinking goblin is like a god.

>>157358002
>you can't unite the once and future git with the great green prophet and stomp the whole world

>>157359928

I would call you a fucking lamba fat

>>157349724
>before elves

I really do wonder how plausible it is that they're trying to get all the old world factions released before the end of the year before moving on to things like Tomb Kings that require a lot of work creating new areas of the map

I think it really depends on what the magic+wizard FLC is

At this point it seems pretty much confirmed Wood Elves and Bretonnians will be released concurrently so that Bretonnians can be playable in the Wood Elf minicampaign

Which lore of magic and wizard would fit with Skaven?

>>157360995

You can though, if you confederate them I think.

>>157361218

Grey Seer

Lore of Skaven magic which is unique to each clan.

>>157361218

Its not plausible

jesus christ one flavour text on a building and you faggots go balls deep in the theories.

The FLC schedule was made around Wood Elves, notice how the lore of magic before Wurzagg didn't get revealed? that was lore of life, the hero would be the jade wizard for empire.

That is evidence number 1

Evidence number 2, Wood Elf files, including detailed name of regions and Morghur are already in the game, while skaven have 0 presence.

Evidence number 3, the leaked schedule, while not 100% accurate, is still a good guideline for what to expect, since no company that is not in a garage would remake their entire schedule for years because of a squatting slav on a tracksuit

>>157361443
Skaven race would get those things

I'm talking about general magic that would be available as a FLC to everyone who doesn't buy the Skaven DLC

>>157361485
So then maybe the reason wood elves are delayed is because they want to release lore of life and bretonnia at the same time

>>157361485
To be fair the lore of life and wizard were and are as much of a guess as the people suggesting shadow was the first one due to the vamp FLC lord

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So which Skaven units you think are going to get cut, /twg/?

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Can someone give me a quick rundown of when and how to use different greenskin units?

They have so many different ones that seem kind of similar or even useless that i dont really know which ones to use.

Goblins, wolves, spiders, different types of orks? some advice/tips would be appreciated.

>>157364416
read the stats and figure it out dummy

>>157364178
All of them since we won't be seeing any rats until the second game.

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why is radious so based?

>>157364746
I highly doubt that. I think ratbois will be the final faction added before the next game. After all, it would be the only faction in the old world they left out. Doesn't make any sense.

That patch of impassible land near tilea where skavenblight should be also leads me to this conclusion.

>>157364876
why do you post such weak bait?

>>157364876
Dismounted Knights of the Realms.

>>157364416
It's incredibly confusing and your best bet is to simply ignore ~75% of the roster.

>black orcs for AP infantry
>boar boys for AP cavalry
>savage orc boys for general infantry
>savage orc big 'uns as anti-large (pretend they have spears)
>savage orc arrer boys for range
>doom divers to reach out and touch high value targets
>giants and arachnorok spiders as heavy hitters

You can do stuff with night goblins but savage orcs are better in every regard. Wolf riders are a joke, spider riders aren't good enough to justify sacrificing boar boys. Black orcs and boar boys are the only sources of AP in your entire army, short of characters, monsters, and siege engines (and the Nasty Skulkers coming with the DLC).

Whats the best skill tree for Archaon? I put one in each and then went for growth and lightning strike already.

>>157364416
As >>157364564 said, check the stats and learn what everything means and then apply it.

Specially armor and armor piercing (or lack of), bonus vs large, regeneration, poison.

Can also check out people that usually do MP battles. I personally recommend Turin.

>>157365139
Savage orcs suck because they get shredded by missile units. Just use regular boyz.

>>157365139
Oh, and in case it wasn't clear Big 'Uns are anti-large across the board. So Boar Boys are your anti-infantry, but Boar Boy Big 'Uns are designed to beat up monsters and other cavalry units.

>>157365273
I'm operating on the assumption that someone would want to move on from the most basic and boring unit in the entire roster.

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>>157365368
>the most basic and boring unit in the entire roster

U FUKN WOT M8

>>157365368
>someone would want to move on from the most basic and boring unit in the entire roster

Yeah, they should move on to big uns and black orcs. Savage orcs are only decent against other orcs. Once you run into quarrelers its all over.

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>>157364416
Azhag is basically never used; people use either a normal warboss on a boar (healing potions) or Grimgor (ded killy). Gobbo great shaman is also good.
Two goblin big bosses on a spider with potions are pretty standard, they are pretty decent lords; both the night goblin shaman and the orc shaman have their uses, look further into the lores of the big and little waaagh to understand which is good where
Gobbo spears are useful only for a super-cheap expendable unit (such as 1-of against a force you might think have a lot of skirmishers, have it move out before your main line to see if the enemy is using auto-fire and punish them super hard by having the 300-gold goblins soak up practically all the damage before you engage), and normal boyz should only be considered if you seriously want to skimp on infantry for some super-expensive stuff. Normal night gobbos aren't the most useful, but you can make them work. Savage orc boyz are pretty glassy, but completely obliterate other infantry on the charge; don't pit them against armored stuff or skirmishers. Big'uns are anti-large, put them on flanks to guard against cavalry; they're useless against the dwarves because of this. Black orcs are AP and ded killy, one of the strongest infantry units in the game (though you won't really need them unless you're going up against equally armored enemy infantry).
Normal gobbo archers as well as arrer boyz are worthless, though the night goblin archers are useful because of poison attacks. Savage orc arrer boyz are the closest orcs have to a normal, decent archer, though it's still kinda bad. Orcs aren't good at range.
Trolls are trolls and giants are giants. The arachnarok is a beauty, it's good at killing other monstrous things; still, the super-huge stompy things aren't ideal if you think your enemy has skirmishers (or AP skirmishers in the arachnarok's case).
>cont

>>157364564
>>157365269
>>157365139
>>157365273
>>157365368

Is using goblins over orcs ever needed? Other than if you need cheap units quickly? Even with night goblins i cant really see any plus to using them.

>>157365887
No. besides the shamans they suck all across the board. Skarsnik should make them viable with buffs though.

>>157364746
If we assume the second game is released a year after the first that means there would be almost 6 months with little to no DLC

>>157365887
Orcs will always be strictly superior, but spider riders and night goblins have their uses due to poison, and with the upcoming DLC they'll have Nasty Skulkers to provide the only infantry based AP for the entire faction outside of Black Orcs.

>>157365887
Fodder and soak missiles or to apply poison sometimes.

>>157353860
;_;7

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>>157365792
Forest goblin spider riders (both melee and ranged) are good, useful as a fast-acting poison application; roll around well with gobbo big bosses. Goblin wolf riders are mainly good for their speed and vanguard deploy: you drop them behind enemy lines and immediately bullrush the enemy's skirmishers and artillery. If the enemy has none (or you get them without the gobbos dying), keep them around; even if all they end up doing is distracting enemy cav for half the game or stopping a charge by getting in front of the enemy cav, they've paid for themselves. The bow variant is pretty damn bad. Normal boar boyz are anti-infantry cavalry, use them as you would any others; savage orc boar boyz are the glassy version of them. Orc boar boy big'uns have anti-large, and as such you should be gunning for enemy cavalry with them or - if the enemy has a flying deathsquad - keeping them around your orc warboss to tarpit the enemy flying units when they go for him; they're very good at that. Both chariots are shit.
The rock lobba has no AP damage and is pretty cheap, good if you expect large amounts of unarmored infantry; artillery on the orcs isn't usually too useful (since your objective is to get in close and smash their brains out) though. The doom-diver is like the rock-lobba, but more expensive, has a ton of AP and normal damage, and is hilarious.

>>157365887
Gobbo infantry is almost universally trashy; the only time you would take goblin spears is if you're being stingy to afford stuff like 3 arachnaroks or if you want to punish people for using autofire by making his unit AI target one, 300-gold unit while your real threats smash them. Gobbo cavalry, on the other hand, has its uses: specifically the forest goblins for poison and the melee wolf riders for skirmisher/artillery-rushing and being cheap, expendable distractions/cavalry-charge shields

>>157365989
I really dont thinl they will go that long without jewing us.

And the DLC dev team is not the same as the base game/expansion team, right?

>>157366634
So basically Skaven before game 2 are inevitable and will probably be the first DLC of 2017 (why would it be tomb kings?)

>>157367209
Skaven makes the most sense because they can be added without expanding the base map. The only reason I can think why Tomb Kings would come first is if they have major trouble figuring out how to make Skaven-specific campaign mechanics work.

>>157367428
Lets hope they don't pull a beastmen and just reuse other faction mechanics.

So what happened to elves and brets?

>>157367727
CA announced that they aren't adding elves anymore because of all the shitposting.

>>157367209
I think we will get something from them before the new expansion.

Maybe some secondary faction like the new DLC.

>>157367428
Agreed. Tomb Kings would need the new map, so probably first faction DLC after the exp.

>>157367727
Probably will come around winter sales on steam. Early/mid december.

>>157367528
Other faction mechanics will inevitably be reused

The beastpath mechanic itself was an excuse to create more battle maps specific to the beastmen

Wood Elves will undoubtedly either use beastpaths or use elfpaths which add extra battle maps because elves and beastmen are enemies

Skaven are a big questionmark because Skaven are enemies with both the human-style factions and the dwarf-style factions so no one knows if they might be allowed to just be set up to wage war against everyone everywhere- they should be though

I'm not sure why people keep whining when the beastmen's main mechanic- the moon cycle- is completely unique to them

>>157367949
Skaven are inevitable before the next expansion, there isn't any reason not to add the last faction that starts in the New World especially since the new secondary-faction mechanic along with the Skaven having already been released will ensure the Lizardmen will start off at war with the Skaven clan in Lustria, which will also be playable.

>Skaven turns into a another horde faction with corruption /infestation mechanic
How pissed will ratos be?

>>157368120
Fuck.
I kinda wish for a remake for the awful underground system into something like HoMM or that other RTS that does that.

>>157368412
It would be sad even for people who dislike them to be honest.

What mods do you use for Warhammer?

>>157368412
Its highly unlikely they will pull that on us, especially since they have that stretch of impassable terrain where Skavenblight should be.

>>157369015
Better Camera

the others are just graphic/cosmetic

>>157369069
>impassable terrain where Skavenblight should be.
There was also that where Malagor or what ever his name is starts.

>>157369015
off the top of my head

>home region movement bonus
>resized lords and heroes
>no hostile agent actions
>chaos infighting immunity
>better camera

>>157369301
Uhhhh not quite. Malagor starts out in the Marshes of Madness which are in the Badlands. Skavenblight is in the Blight Marshes which are in Tilea.

I feel sorry for the guy that did the goblin only run on here. The new DLC would have made it more fun I bet.

>>157371119
That's what I've exactly been doing, waiting for the devs release the DLC that they definitely didn't intentionally leave out or leave half-assed to further work on to squeeze out pockets.
Right on time, too, mid terms end for me next week.

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In the groves and glades of Athel Loren, the season is the only meaningful measurement of time. For those for whom every provision is readily provided and little written word exists, one day is much like another. Time, an inconstant at best within the boughs of Athel Loren, has little bearing upon the Asrai. But there exists a gnarled and stuned set of beings for whom the past is an unscalable barrier. The Dawi, a stunted and gnarled race of tinkerers and laborers, mutter and toil in the bowels of the earth, forever dwelling upon imagined wrongdoings and a supposed halcyon period of greatness.

From their cold and uncomfortable cloisters of stone, the Dawi congratulate themselves on their miserable conditions. They humor themselves that their artifice and spiteful deforestation must be some great bane to the Asrai, with whom they nurse a one-sided grudge of obscure origin. It is typical of the Dawi to be fixated on a matter of materials.

While it is true the Asrai look on the Dawi with distaste, it is the unstinting revulsion of a race that consents to a life of slavery and resentment beneath the lowest Bretonnian peasant. (Though, in truth, the Dwarf draws up lower than even that hunched breed.) A so-called "Elder" race, the Dawi resemble nothing so much as the Rats and Goblins they proclaim to despise, endlessly muttering into their burrows and tunnels, bending their backs to some fruitless labor.

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>pike and shot

What do you think is going to change in update 4?

It's coming, right guys?

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>decide to splurge on a 1080
>can max out most games now with a rock-solid 60 fps
>except for Attila which STILL dips below 50 on the benchmark even with my old settings

>>157371686
I wouldn't complain too much about the DLC if everything in this game wasn't half-assed

>>157371686
>>157373381
>We decided to release only four factions so we could focus on fully fleshing them out!

>>157373061

This is one of the reasons why I don't play the historic games.
I run Warhammer in a 750ti, obviously not on max, but at a decent FPS.
I've been thinking of buying Attila, but I heard the optimization is shit.

>>157368412
>>157369069
Skaven will probably be unique as a faction

Also they will definitely be a settled faction

>>157373450
Bretonnia will be release for free in the long run

How do I play Attila well?

>>157373989
What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

>>157373768
I never really had problems on the other warscape games, except when I had a toaster for obvious reasons. It's just Attila that runs like absolute shit and doesn't look good enough to justify it

>>157374183

Hammer and anvil everything

>>157374303
Yeah, but, buildings.

>>157374382
Play as ERE

Remove all churches
build cattle farms and fishing docks for food
get as many trade deals as possible
turtle for a few turns so that you have unlimited money

>>157374191
It means you're autistic like everyone else who complains about DLC

>opening cinematic will only include first 4 factions

LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

>>157374456
>remove churches
This would actually be a great idea if it wasn't so heretical.
Different anon

are regiments of renown only available with the purchase of the LL pack?

>>157368651
Do you mean Armies of exigo? It had 2 maps on top of eachother

>>157375596
Yes

>>157375596
Yes.

The pack comes with two Lords, a handful of units, and the RoR.

The only thing that's free will be Wurrzag

>>157374191
Oh God I must've been 6 years old the last time I heard that expression

>>157369015
steam workshop recommended radious so got that. dont know why everyone hates on it.

>>157375537
The upkeep ruins early ERE

If you really want to stay true to your faith, only keep the churches in Alexandria and Constantinople

>>157369015
One that adds new shield designs for empire and the one that adds different horse collors.

>>157376124
>not Antioch, the cradle of Christianity

>>157347328
>W-wood elves soon!

Enjoy waiting until december, you faggot.

>>157372797
>Gets BTFO by CA
>Proceed to make autistic copypastas in a desperate attempt at bantz

>>157349173
Immortality
No feeling of pain
True love

>>157358297
Yes, they get the new units

No, most units will be replaced with shitty Chaos Cultists

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SUMMON

>>157377525
Though to be fair...why the fuck would Chaos Rebellions in the middle of the Empire be full of Chaos Warriors instead of Cultists?

>>157365176
Either go red or yellow (your units are capable enough, so I'd go for melee), you may want some points for the flaming sword and cascading fire cliak

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, Karak Eight Peaks
>That swelling music

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>>157373061
>Playing on my laptop toaster
>Literally need two desktop fans pointed at it, both on high speed
>Everything on the lowest settings
>Manage to get about 12 fps
>turn unit size to huge with everything else still on low
>10 fps

I've done it gentlemen.
I've found the bottom

I don't even notice any lag

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>>157372797
>ywn be this upset

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>>157372797

Kinda wish units or at least armies had war horns, unique to each faction. Playing Vermintide made made me realize how something so simple can be such a cool touch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEClzllDVJo

>>157378574
Seems like an easy mod to make.

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>>157378574
Command groups, musicians included, were quite a big deal in the tabletop game so there is a chance they'll be added as dlc.

>>157378739
I know for mods it would be easy but >>157378747 I wish CA were aware of the notion of it, to do it officially. A nice hope to have at any rate.

>faction i've never interacted with declares war on me
>comes all the way down from their settlements on the baltic sea to attack me in greece
>ERE has revolt from low public order
>the rebel stack attacks my army that already retreated that turn despite there being nothing to gain from it
this fucking ai

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>>157378891
Fingers crossed.

>>157378891
Eh it'll probably be a $8 dlc down the line.

>>157373018
>Update 4 changelog
>Fun removed

On a more serious note, I expect the regen cap to be increased, and potions to be made more expensive

>>157379001
Don't they appear on global map?

>>157376084
It removes the relevance of battles by drastically lowering their cost, in the name of "epikness :^)", being essentially a cheat mod

The unit pack shits all over the lore a.k.a. "The bore", removes the things that make each faction play differently and the new units are quite poorly balanced

>B-b-but muh submods!
If you have to install a submod to fix an optional mod, you may suffer from autism

>>157377756
That's the only acceptable place for Chaos cultists

But when Archaon, the Everchosen of the Chaos gods leads an army of 19 cultists, it takes away any feeling of danger…

Just imagine if Attila went to battle with 19 militia spearmen

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Just lemme know when they're coming out with the landship.

>>157379620

Too much jabbers.

>>157379620

What purpose does it serve?

>>157379861
It's like a steam tank, but not as tough

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S Q U I G S

>>157379861
The bigger brother of the steam tank, less durable but faster and a bigger morale boost, and if the tabletop has any bearing, much more dangerously prone to malfunction. It ideally would be able to just pick a direction though and smash right through units though, compared to the steam tank repeatedly ramming them when engaged. Against typical units, the landship can just roll over them unstopped.

It's basically Marienburg's alternative to the steam tank, maybe make it a regiment of renown? Specific requirement, to have taken control of Marienburg.

>>157380198
>>157379620

Oh so it doesn't need the steam tank in that picture?

I was under the impression that the steam tank was towing the landship. Pretty cool

>>157380280
Oh no lol, I guess the picture wasn't clear about that. No, it's a wholly operational vehicle on it's own.

>tl;dr Marienburg has more money than they know what to do with

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>>157380280
>>157380320
Another pic from the actual book.

>>157379707
>Get nanban trading ship model from Shogun 2
>Model some wheels that roll when moving
>Enable it in standard battles
Doesn't seem THAT much of a jabber drain to me with some imaginative thinking

>>157369015

Steel Faith overhaul, T4 settlements, bunch of cosmetic shit.

>>157380445
>tfw Nordland could be a potentially non-shit province if Marienburg were brought back into the Empire
>tfw Karl would never do it because he's got enough on his plate already
>tfw the Gaussers would never do it because they're a bunch of incompetent cowards

Oh well. Talabecland a best, as usual.

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>>157379620
Landships are nurgling crap, give me flying towers.

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>>157381450
Also walking ships.

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>>157381534
And airships.

>>157381285
If Marienburg were brought back into the fold though, it would just return to being the Westerland, rather than becoming part of Nordland.

>warhammer tw
>goblins are present in the orc roster
>somehow squigs are paid dlc
What is the worst fan base and why is it the tw community? This is prob the only community that straight up asks for more dlc that should have been in the base game and will gladly pay for it.

Oh and the brets aren't even released yet I'm guessing.

>>157381772
Not if they took just the city by itself (all the other land is pretty useless anyway), and recognize Gausser's claim as liege of it.

>>157381967
Of course not

>>157376347
>>157376124
>forgetting Jerusalem

You know what would really make this game interesting? If the elector counts were all playable and had the option to convert to Chaos, getting opinion boosts with chaos and to spread chaos corruption without being affected by it

>>157381967
Not a fan of this "they should have spent 10 years on game development and released a game that cost $250 rather than give me the option of buying DLC" meme

>>157380198
No it would be a special unit you could only recruit in Marienburg if you had a special building chain built in the province

3 turns to build, most expensive unit fielded by humans

>>157382994
This

The original purpose of DLC was to make it profitable to create content which would otherwise cost way too much to have in the base game and still have the game be profitable

Companies like paradox may have turned DLC into a joke with the whole "I leave out basic features like trade so I can charge you for it later" but TWW is actually using DLC in the original sense it was intended for

>>157383018
They are particularly rare though, there's only 3 in existence current to the lore prior End Times. As much as I'd love to have multiples, it's a little lore unfriendly, as much as having say, multiple luminarks in a battle.

Unless they can put a hard cap on the number recruited? I'm not sure, like the steam tanks there only being 8 total, but I've never tried to recruit that many in a game yet.

>>157383182
>there's only 3 in existence

And only one is properly operational.

>>157383182
Hard caps are pointless, they would be prohibitively expensive, long to recruit and only able to be recruited in one city. Having several chaos hordes filled with giants and hellcannons and chosen requires constant sacking to support. This game is good in that you don't end up with more money than you can spend unless you spend 500 turns developing your shit.

>>157383274
>Feast your eyes upon my landfleet of 19 landships!

I can dig it.

>>157383314
>19 landships!

A Marienburg Land-Admiral would surely get a land ship as his mount.

>>157383430
>New Unique Lord, Marienburg Land-Admiral

Beautiful.

>>157383101
>"I leave out basic features like trade so I can charge you for it later
like the fucking squigs?

>>157383554
O&G already had a large unit roster.

>>157348282
White/Huns/Sandniggers

>>157383182
And there's only 8 steam tanks operational (and nobody understands completely how they work) yet some shitty no-name rebels have access to 2 of them?

Lore numbers do not apply to TWW, after all, Total War has always been about "Alternative history"

Hard caps are a thing in the game, but no unit currently uses them (except RoR)

>>157383554
You can actually scroll up and see some anon overwhelmed because he doesn't know what to do with all the greenskin units.

>>157384448
Nobody has ever cared about the "only 12 exist" lore note on the Steam Tanks, considering they show up in every single Empire battle ever.

>>157383554
I literally explained why squigs wouldn't have been in game without DLC, only goblin players really love the squigs

>>157385075
Them being used a lot isn't the concern though, it's whether more than the lore amount are active.

>>157381967
Nowhere near as bad as Parajew. A single game of theirs(EU4) has £190 worth of DLC on top of the base game cost. The entire Warhammer trilogy with all DLC will cost about that much.

>>157384448
In lore almost every single steam tank is different too. but we don't have 12 individual steam tanks do we.

nothing gets me more angry than people defending CA ripping people off

>>157385082
not at all just look at comments on the trailer its mostly people saying they love the red things.

>>157385475
Not all 12 exist anymore or belong to the Empire. The Skaven have one, as to the Halflings. I believe the other 2 were destroyed outright, and the steam engines repurposed for different use.

>>157385551
>>157385475
>>157385075

Lets face it the dwarfs wouldn't find steam tanks difficult to create but they just wouldn't be pragmatic underground or even along mountain tracks. Skaven could also build something roughly equivocal.

>>157385476
>ripping people off
lol
Any DLC is worth exactly what you make of it

>>157385659
Skaven have the Doomwheel

>>157347328
Wood elves this

Wood elves that

Wherever CA shows their mug its wah wah wood elves.

DLC for cool races like greenskins and dwarfs? 'Wheres muh elves CA'

I swear people are crying more about wood elves than Dominique Santiago ever did about his wife.

So please, enlighten me what's so amazing about these pole-shaped dendrophiles to me they're just that skinny, #palelife, knife eared cowards who rather spam arrows than be a real man and get in the gritty with it, mud flinging about along with the arm of that one bloke who still owe you 15gold from last night's pub tab.

As sword and axes clash, exposed, battle hardened chests with sweat trickling down their chiseled frame, ragged breath as the opposing sides gaze into each other with wanton lust for killing the other.

Choking, thrusting, bashing all in the thick of it with equally powerfully framed characters around you as you push that smelly, huge orc into the dirt. Mounting on top of him as your final thrust with your quivering spear makes him yelp out one final scream signaling the climax of the moment before you head along to find a new mate to repeat the orgy of brutality until only one side is still able to stand up in the afterglow- I mean aftermath.

Wait, what was I writing about again?

>>157385476
And nothing is more annoying than poorfags and pirates asshurt that they have no money

>>157385696
The doom wheel is powered by a bunch of rats, though it does generate electricity to use in its lightning gun...

>>157384117
Would you say their roster is a big'un?

>>157385776
I was just saying they have an equivalent, like you mentioned. Ya know, to the steam tank.

>>157385696
They have gigantic steam powered drills as well.

>>157385839
No where near equivalent though.

>>157385915
I mean, it's equivalent in the fact that it's a vehicle, that is also powered by an external energy, in this case rats, and it als has the lightning gun, then again what do I know, I always played dwarfs.

>>157385839
>A metal encased, steam powered chariot with cannons
>A giant hamster wheel which generates electricity
Apples to oranges

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What other dissapointments we will suffer for skaven judging how they removed all the randomess of Squigs ( no herders for squigs, no random attacks when they lose their herders, no random movement for goblin hoppers etc)


I bet my fucking ass that Skaven warmachines won't explode and they will be perfectly reliable.

Also I would kill for an underground map like this game did

>>157386007
reeee it's 6 am and I didn't sleep yet.

I really want to start collecting dorfs again now though thanks to this game, I miss 4th edition where I could just tarpit units using a dragon slayer.

>>157385750
The only people who like elves are insecure manlets who're scared of liking superior dwarfs because they're afraid that people will think they're short.

>>157386025

You can bet your ass half the skaven roster will be missing because the artwork for it will most definitely bankrupt them.

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>>157386093

>>157386093
Makes me wonder why they don't hold a drawing competition for artwork on factions with some sort of prize, that's free work right there.

>>157386093

I really hope they implement the Hellpit Abomination.

>>157385824
Underrated post

>>157386083
I have 2m and I dont want to play as manlets

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Get hype

What's the difference in lore terms between a Minotaur, a Gorebull and a Doombull?

>>157385986
>>157386007
>>157386079
>>157386180
They seem to be missing out some of the larger monsters in the game so possibly there'll release some monstrous beasts DLC with jabberslythes, chimeras and maybe the Hell pit. Doing DLCs for each skaven clan seems a little pointless so hopefully most the roster will get implemented.

Skaven roster has 29 units not counting Legendary Lords and they are all fairly different.

>>157386474
Dick size

>>157386453
>6 free units
What did they mean by this?

>>157386453

HMMMMM who could that new lord be???

>>157386421
Sure thing, shortie.

>>157386093
The thing I wonder is how the hell they're going to handle special weapon teams. Being they're supposed to be a added onto a unit.

>>157386453
>New lord and more FLC

Well, this is interesting.

>>157386513
That, could be something interesting actually.

[In before it's nothing at all]

>>157386534

They don't have to operate exactly to the TT rules.

>>157386513
>Campaign & Free units showcase
Still curious about what those are, but no 6 here

>>157386534

Probably just be small unit of flamethrowers/mortars/rattling gunners, ala dwarf Irondrakes.

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What's the deal with Jabberslythes?

>>157386732
CA basically said that "Jabberslythes would cost as much as the entire artwork of Age of Charlemagne" and that's why they were not included

And thus, a meme was born

>>157386815
The funny thing that most people don't seem to realize is that AoC has rather limited artwork because of the small rosters.

>>157386605
True

>>157386660
Yeah you're probably right there, still think it could be interesting if they tried something a little different.

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>>157386991
only alternative would be making them like fanatics where they hide in a unit of clanrats and start shooting as the unit approaches.

>>157386991
Dual models for the jezzails, skarsnik is the precursor to many things.

>>157386475
I can see there being a few packs like that once all the factions get added. Especially if they ever decide to add in swarm units.

>>157387094
What came to my mind was either that or something that tied into the Banner system.

So dump the team on a unit and on the battle map you get a small two rat team they'll follow that unit around.

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>>157387094

>loved the gatling cannons in Fall of the Samurai
>mfw we are going to get all these rattos running around with fucking crazy as shit weapon teams and warp lightning teams

R A T S

>>157385750
>So please, enlighten me what's so amazing about these pole-shaped dendrophiles to me they're just that skinny, #palelife, knife eared cowards who rather spam arrows than be a real man and get in the gritty with it, mud flinging about along with the arm of that one bloke who still owe you 15gold from last night's pub tab.

I'm glad you ask. The answer has to do with time.
The weight of years leaves a profound effect upon the civilized factions of Warhammer. With the Humans, rushing here and there with outsized ambitions, this is the most readily apparent. The restless energy of such short lives leave man to marvels of technological innovation and makes him especially susceptible to the seductions of Eternal Life offered by the Vampire dynasties. Bretonnia alone, with its fey benefactor, can be said to be truly removed from the pressing pull of progress that reshapes the society of men with such rapidity.

The Elder races perceive time differently, but no less opressively. The Dawi live in the shadow of their ancestors, their own prodigiously long lives being defined and driven by what their forbears did. Tradition, accepted practice, and generational feuds inform the Dawi understanding of time. For the Dawi, the future is a mirror that reflects the past. There can be no improvements to this mirror- only cracks and distortions.

>>157387314
Definitely looking forward to the poison wind globadiers/mortars. Going to feel WWI as fuck gassing dwarfs and watching them retch.

>>157385750
>>157387479

The Asur and the Druchii sneer at the Dawi for their mossbound stubbornness, and the Humans for their grasping, overreaching nature. Longer lived than either, they fancy the curse of years to be something that afflects lesser races. They are the masters of time; indeed, the masters of everything. But the understanding of time has as pernicious an effect upon the Elven races as elsewhere, if not more so. The Druchii are defined by an exile that happened Millenia ago; a sense of loss for a land the vast majority of them have never seen. The Witch King's reign is eternal, and so to is the agenda of the state; Destruction of Ulthuan and veneration of Nagarythe, a land that has long since faded to myth. The near-immortality of the Witch King and Morathi have the effect of subordinating the Druchii people to an ancient cause as surely as the Skinks live by the half-understood murmurings of the Slann.

The Asur have no eternal head of state, but are no less chained by time. The great historians of their world, their own history is one of dwindling. Ulthuan, glittering by almost measure, is measured by the impossible standard of its own previous glory, trapping the aloof Asur in a trap not dissimilar to the Dawi themselves. Nevertheless in any era their acts are of an undisputed superpower; De-escalation from such exotic climes as Lustria or the Dragon Isles are unthinkable, as is alliance with other realms on the basis of equality. The Asur understand and perceive their own decline, but are rigidly unwilling to deviate from the path that makes it inevitable. The weight of years and Ulthuan's rich history dictate its present to the tragedy of its occupants.

>>157385750
>>157387479
>>157387527
Alone among the Elven races, the Asrai are unchained to the procession of time. They age and die, it is true, but their understanding of time is scarcely beyond the innate natural conception of seasons. Ariel, as eternal as Malekith, governs her realm so little as to render it apparently stateless, though her hand subtly guides Athel Loren and safeguards it through the centuries. Any ossified influence Ariel might lend to her people is counterbalanced by the restive actions of Orion. Her consort has a driving vitality that puts Humanity to shame, rushing and raging across the forest in the bare year that is his allotted time. The Wood Elves themselves lead a cylical existence, free alike from the burden of a past or the exhausting exertions to usher in a future. The Asrai, as much as their mysterious forest, exist out of time.

That's why I like the Wood Elves.

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>>157386732
They could just reskin a manticore for this

>>157387729
Dude do you know anything about how Charlemangs work?

Are Jabberslythes just really big animals or are they mutants like the other Beastmen?

>>157387938
Bit of both, they were created bu chaos mutating some animal but have become a species in their own right.

>>157387938
They are physical manifestations of an internet catchphrase imbued with shards of the soul of an 8th century Frankish warlord.

>>157387479
>>157387527
>>157387601

Are you a qt elf in real life? I am going to find you and mating press you so hard

Hey /twg/ what the craps going on

>>157361646
Shadow, since it is sneaky/illusion, though the Skaven don't use it.

>>157364178
Some of the weapon teams, rat swarms, probably one of the major clans (probably Pestilence or Eshin) to be released later.

>>157386929

The art in Charlie-Man was also heinously ugly.

>>157386453
>Campaign and free units

Wonder what they could be.

Big Stabbaz?

>>157369015
No hostile agents
better camera
better combat
A button of cosmetic mods, most of which I'ver made myself

>>157388952
The biggest gap I can see in the Dwarf & Greenskins they haven't fixed yet is Slayers that aren't awful. That'd be really neat, but it might be too much to hope for.

>>157386453
When they say Friday they mean today right?

>>157388898
I'd say it has it's charm, being suitable to the time period, but then again I have nothing against the default R2 art either.

>>157389005
My guess is that the new units will be Wurrzag related in some way.

>>157388898
well it was in an early medieval style though they should have stepped up the gilt and cloissonne work to match the style.

>>157388952
Savage orc units for Wurrzags faction

>>157389086
>extra savage orc units to flesh out savage orcs as a unique subfaction

Okay

>>157389063
Obviously

>>157389005
Would be pretty easy too, just give them charge defense against all and some ability that raises their damage as they loose guys.

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Squid herds are very fun and interesting to play in TT, yet, they have made another boring monstruous/cavalry unit.

I love this game, but it has a big tendency of transforming interesting gameplay into a stats soup.

After playing a while, everything lies down to basic unit types with different skins, every battle plays the same.

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>Viable Goblin armies

>>157389301
That's total war for you I guess.

>Random Internet Fuckwit: Could you release some actual content instead of more of this warhammer crap?
>RIF: How about putting resources into a total war game instead of making this shit sellout warhammer game?
>CA: We are making the next Total War game, this is just a small team making content for people who enjoy this game. Both teams do not affect each-other, the next Total War game wouldn't be done any faster or better if the DLC team were working on it, it doesn't work that way.
>But thats objectively false. Any resources spent on this could be used on an actual total war game

I know it's YouTube comments and all (which is the only thing lower than Steam Reviews), but goddamn do I hate the people in this fanbase sometimes. You'd think that being in a relatively niche genre like strategy and being a PC exclusive would mean our bar for intelligence would be set a bit higher.

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>>157389301
>Tfw no Squid herds

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>>157386453

>that Dwarf beard trophy on Skarsnik

>>157389301
That's how battles work, there's only so many roles to fill.

>>157389301
Chariots also can't bowl over and break a unit instantly like on the TT.
What's your point?

>>157389420
>RIF: But thats objectively false.
Forgot to add the label.

>>157389301
Yeah, that's what I found somewhat disappointing too. Rather than any of the legendary gear and such being actually interesting, it mostly just confers a bigger stat boost than most.

But Total War is kind of all about setting these units into categories to have the whole "rock, papers, scissors" dynamic.

But I don't really mind it so long as I can see my old models move around and shit. Since I'm playing this game less to play Warhammer Fantasy in digital form, and more just to see Warhammer Fantasy come to life. If that makes sense.

>>157389420
Most people have no fucking idea how software development works, and that includes lots of people in this general.

>>157389301
the dumbest thing is that doggos in previous titles have herders, it shouldn't be that hard to basically just port that unit over and make squigs attack at random when herders are dead

>>157389301
AFTER A THOUSAND BATTLES, ONE ONLY SEES DEATH

>>157386453

That's a big hat.

>>157386453
I'm expecting more savage orc stuff so Savage Orc Warboss, Savage Orc Great Shaman, Black Orc Warboss, Night Goblin Great Shaman.

More missing Lords and Heros units which will be great. Savage Orc Big Stabbaz too.

>>157389708
Would make for a shit unit in-game though, same for having animosity in real time battles.

The one thing you couod do is making them go berserk after breaking.

>>157389595
I recall one time trying to explain the concept that "dev team" isn't really that accurate of a term. Since it isn't all the same people doing everything in a game.

People are switched around, freelancers are hired for specific work, or a certain part of the team completes everything early on and aren't involved anymore.

But anything more than "development team" is apparently too difficult of a thing to grasp for some people.

They also have no idea how the business side works either, but pretends like they do. It's like the less knowledge they actually have, the more they think what they assume is objective truth.

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>>157389813
For you

So what could the new 6 units possibly be?

We know Wurzzag is the FLC Lord, so could the new units be savage orcs?

>>157389972
Its not 6, its the & symbol

>>157390006

Oh shit, didn't even notice, but still, there are new units not announced in the DLC pack right?

>>157390047
It says free, so yeah

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>>157389874
That's mount stupid for you...

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>>157390047
Probably.
My guess would be
Savage Orcs Waaghboss
Savage Orcs boar chariot
BigStabbaz

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>>157389895
>tfw there will eventually be real Dawi as god intended them in the game
>tfw the face cam for the Hellcannon crew shows a dwarf with tusks and horns wearing red Mesopotamian clothing

always brings a tear to my eye

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>>157390186
>Waaghboss

Is this some AoS unit that I haven't heard off before?

>Savage Orc Boar Chariot
It better have square wheels.

>>157386474
A Minotaur is a bigger Beastmen and one of the tougher sub-breeds of Beastmen.

A Gorebull is an even tougher Minotaur and is a hero unit who either leads other Minotaurs or leads other Beastmen.

A Doombull is the toughest Minotaur and commands over Gorebulls and other Minotaurs as well as leading other Beastmen (also known as Minotaur Lords). They are the real badasses and are very very tough.

>>157389509
Chariots are trash in TWW tho, if they adhered to TT, they would at least do some nasty moral shock on the charge and not be utterly useless

>>157357545
that could be fucking awful for Dwarves.

Does that mean if you want to take over all of the orc lands you might have to usurp Thorgrim?

>>157390314
>OOGA BOOGA, WHERE DA ELF WOMEN AT?

>>157390538
Source?

I don't really know if I like this.

>>157390479
Chariots last forever and make mince out of low tier infantry. They're usually the last ones standing besides HQ in a tough scrap. Git gud skrub.

>>157390538
You work around him while maintaining an alliance until you're strong and he's weak and he becomes your ho. It'll be funny to see the united Dwarfen nation bearing the name of Clan Angrund though.

>>157386525
White Dwarf.

>>157389595
Can confirm, I have no fucking idea how software development works

that's why I don't really complain about DLCs for this game
I haven't bought them all though

>>157390389
>Is this some AoS unit that I haven't heard off before?
My bad, it's Waaghboos for Orcs and Orks in German.

>>157390389
>It better have square wheels.
Nah, they just got a boy at both ends of the axle varrying the thing

>>157390274
>Chaos dorf models already in game
>it will be easier to release chaos dorfs

Also I just realized that the the FLC for Tomb Kangs, Chaos Dorfs and Ogre Kingdoms will probably be the map expansions

>>157390985
You are a reasonable man. More people should follow your example.

That applies to both spoilers

>>157389301
I get what you mean. Orcs are a good example of this, you have a lot of similar units that preform the same task but most are slightly shiter so you just keep using the ones with the better stats.

I get that having things be over powered is lame as fuck but honestly the focus on keeping things balanced really kills these kinds of games.

So wait! Wurzzag today? Or some FLC stuff? Fuck yes!

>>157391007
I think the map expansions will be in the new game expansions only.

Skavens will probably be the last faction on the current game, after brets and wood elves, then we will probably get a bigger map and then Tomb Kings, Ogres and MAYBE Chaos Dwarfs as dlc.

>>157391414
Free lord and maybe free units?

>>157390985
9 pregnant women can create a baby in 1 month

>>157391484
Feeling grim?

>>157391624
I'm not getting the meme behind this post

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?741561-WIP-Preview-The-Empire-of-Man-a-political-system-for-the-Empire&p=15139904#post15139904

This looks pretty fucking neat.

>>157391727
It's not a meme!!

>>157391475
Skaven will be DLC 13, screencap this

So 3pm is Wurrzag,Campaign sub factions AND Free units showcase?

Free Brets and Beastmen roster updates as predicted by the datamine?

Yes CA. This is how you win people over.

>>157391823
I have no idea what number we are currently in or why it makes any difference, as long as it comes in this game and not an expansion.

I think its funny when you read /twg/ and youtube comments on the trailer for the dlc and see the butthurt is that people build this hype for them out of nothing or a Russian leak from ages ago and then get uppset when they dont get what they tought they get.
waah waaah where my woodelfs waah waahh gimme elfs....HEY HE MENTIONED SKAVEN IN THE TEASER!!!SKAVEN COMMING!!!! YES IT MUST BE!!!.. Like come on. This day in the gaming industry you rarely get some mindblowing surprises and usually the stuff that is promised ends up to be half of what they say. I personally like the dwarfs most at the moment and im satisfied with this dlc but have it been elfs i have nothing againts it at all

>>157391778
I came, this game needs campaign improvements desperately

>>157391727

He's talking about Brook's Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%E2%80%99_law

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>>157391909
At this rate, they'll make it back to a Mostly Positive in time for Christmas shopping and whatnot

>>157391414
Did you not see the leaked info from the Steam page post accidentally uploaded yesterday?

Here is the info:

>>157308829
>>157308931

>>157391924
We are at DLC 4 (5 next week)

Not releasing them as 13th DLC sounds like missed chance, it's Skaven's sacred number

>>157391972
>hype in 2016

I still don't get why people still hype games or even movies/series still. NMS is probably the biggest example of why you should never hype something so much, and specially, never pre-order.

The worst part is that this factions will come, people will talk about it for a few days, play them and probably not even finish their campaigns, and then they will start to ask for the next faction.

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>>157392128
Steam reviews are literal cancer. Have you never read them? Butthurt self entitled hypocrites.

Pic related is just one of the so called "reviews".

Also a rumoured Bret and Wood Elf release in early December would certainly boost both sales and ratings.

>>157392280
Only if they're fucking horde factions. I really liked the beastmen but can't stand playing hordes.

>>157392128

Thankfully, some people are not dumb enough to trust reviews and they don't even need to read those cancerous and shitty reviews to realice, TWW is the best Total War game ever made.

>imb4: t.CA or t.Shill

>>157392172
Do you think they could do sub factions for VC with the current LL?

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>>157392301
>8 out of 10

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I NEED UPDATE #4'S PATCH NOTES!!

I MUST SEE IF EVERY LL(WHERE APPLICABLE) GETS THEIR OWN SUB FACTION AND STARTING REGION NOW THAT THE UPCOMING 3 LL'S GET THEIR OWN FACTIONS.

>>157392402
No

>>157392203
I don't think that a DLC number like that is a marketable thing, so I really don't think it would make any sense to wait that long and not release it in this game. And just imagine the sheer amount of retards crying about their skaven not being out after the first expansion.

>>157392412
>tfw waiting for both warhammer patch notes and dark souls 3 patch notes.

>>157392508
meant before the first expansion*

>>157392402
I wish but probably no

But its a good idea, especially for someone like heinrich kemmler it would be the only reason to play as that useless piece of shit

where is the link? it's 3 pm already you nigglets

>>157388804
What is this from?

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>>157392402
I'm hoping so.
Its clear this new patch and DLC pack has laid the final groundwork for the upcoming new faction aswell as future LL's and updates.

Also...

Grace responded to the Free units being shown off in a few hours. Pic related.

Brets and Beasts?

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>>157392301
>>157392372
For a lot of on-the-fence buyers, that review score can be a real make or break at that last moment of near purchase.
I'm not sure how they weight the reviews, or if they weight them at all
Right now by "Most Helpful Reviews In Past 30 Days" I see Steam showing 9 positive reviews and only one negative review (pictured)

>>157391909

The DLC schedule is already out of wack with the datamine.

I find it extremely unlikely that they would choose now to put out Bret and Beastmen units when they could add them in conjunction with Wood Elves where those factions have some thematic relevance.

>>157392638
Watch your language!!

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>>157392638
3pm in British time you filthy continental.

I am starting a new play through.

I want to install the necessary but unobtrusive mods.

Please tell me if my list is good:

1. The Southern Realms - I think Estalia, Tilea and Border Princes ought to be unique and there's no indication that CA is going to release DLC any time soon for them.
2. Mousillon - see above.
3. All in One UIs / Beastman UIs
4. Better Combat Camera
5. Olympian Campaign Camera
6. UI Unit Markers
7. Building Progression Icons
8. Improved Weather Colors
9. Varied Zombies
10. Greenskin Teef Currency
11. Resized Lords & Heroes
12. Proper Beastmen Size
13. Vampiric Deathly Pallor
14. No Stink Clouds (Undead)
15. Varied Generals (Strict)
16. More Horse Variations
17. Loading Images Fixed

There are only a few gameplay mods I am considering:

1. Orcs Occupy Anywhere
2. Delayed Chaos Invasion
3. AI colonize burned world
4. Home Region Movement Bonus

Is there anything I should get rid of or add? I am doubtful about any gameplay mods, to be honest, and may stick to mostly visual, variation and unique faction mods.

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WHENS THE LEAK?

DARRENNNNN