/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

Whites were right

>>157303690
Anon who requested this. Here, have this use it wisely
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You're one god I shan't reject

>>157313642
The Whites are for casuals.

>Satan
can this game end already
>dude kill 3 out of 4 in scripted dialogue turn lmao
why did everything become such dogshit at the route lock

What does Luck do in SMTIV:A? My guess is that it affects ailment rates and crit chances. Am I right?

>>157314031
pretty much

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>>157313753
thanks anon, second one is better than that other ref so I'll use it.
the rest is alright but the gifs won't help much. lets not make the ref throwing a habit though

>>157313753
>going to gelbooru
???

I'm gonna do a crazy thing and play DebiChi Light/Dark.
I heard they actually have different story unlike Pokemon, so it's preferrable to play both.
Does it matter which one I play first?
All I know is that Light has Law focused story while Dark is Chaos focused.

>>157314525
>going to "X"
>having preferences different from anon's

Yeah, how dare he?

>>157314342
you do a god's work, son of man.

>>157315045
their ads are aggressive and that's WITH adblock on dude

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>>157314525
>>157315045
>>157315251
My Gelbooru beef is less with how intrusive ads are and more with how goddamn sloppy they are with alias/typo resolution. You basically have to know the exact preferred Romanization of any given media or character to get a result other than "Nobody here but us chickens!", and it's a big step down from Danbooru having a robust autocomplete/auto-alias in its search box.

Not-Lucifer, if you're listening, that means come back to /smtg/booru and greenlight the shorthand aliases for SMT4A. I can't do it since you had the login key re-remade in your name.

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i want atlus and platinum to team up and make raidou 3 with p5's demons

>>157315251
>make an account
>turn off intermission
>turn on ad block
boom, no ads ever again.

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>>157316123
this would make my dick harder than those goddamn sealed rocks that appear after you beat a major enemy in smtiv

>>157316123
Raidou had "grittier" demons than the other PS2 era Megaten games, so I would expect them to not use the same cartoonish ones as P5.

>>157316123
Is the a Video or Gallery of the Full Compendium yet?

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>>157315917
...huh. Never mind. The previously reset key still works for me somehow.

>>157316123
>>157316269
I'd go with Raidou 3 feat. Volition just to see what Demon Insurance Fraud looks like.

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>>157316331
It would be more along the lines of refining the shaders and textures of the demons to be more "grittier".

>>157316331
you're right, but considering raidou's tone compared to the other games i think it could work out
the other thing is atlus is lazy so p5's demons might be all we've got for a while

>>157316331
It used the same models and textures as rest of the PS2 megatens, the difference is that they had a different shader for them entirely to make them "grittier" in Raidou.
Writing a shader shouldn't be too hard for P5 models.

>>157316123
>>157316505
raidou 3 but with capcom's DMC4 team when

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>>157316569
as much as you might say lazyness, these models are pretty great though. I've seen far far worse devs out there.

>>157316123
Doesn't even need Platinum to be good. Just copy and Paste DMC1 Alastor moveset and it'll be great for an Action RPG.

Also it would be cool if there was no Battle scene, like the enemies just popped up on the overworld while you're going about.

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So I fused this Yoshitsune in SMTIV a while back, and now that I've finished Apocalypse, I wanna have him back on my team.

So, do the Famed demons have the same fusing mechanics as SMTIV? In SMTIV, fusing Foul demons increased your chances of a fusion accident. Fusing dead demons also increased your chances of a fusion accident. Is this still the case in Apocalypse?

>>157316814
Even Twilight Princess combat would be good enough, simpler is better, as long as it's still fun.

Have you taken a moment of your day to appreciate the ending of the DeSu2 animation today?

If not then now's your chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZX0kEdZb0Y

>>157316852
I heard so, but the chances also increases if Nanashi is sick.

>>157316852
Yes
Dead, Foul & being sick increases to its max chance

>>157316505
I love you Browning.

>>157317123
Huh. Really? That'll make things marginally easier, hopefully. I spent a good 10 hours or so trying to fuse that stupid thing the last time. Why'd they keep Famed demons as fusion accidents exclusive in Apocalypse again?

On a side note, is Yoshitsune's skills the same as they were back in IV?

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>>157317086
I will never forgive the anime for what they did with bunny.
The anime was so different from the game it was as if the writers only read a summary of the game and then just made an anime based of of that with some extra homolust thrown in.
Also the OP is better in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozrl1QsNC4o

>>157317397
I dunno, but if you bought or pirated the demon dlc you can buy some of the famed inlcuding Yoshitsune.

>>157316760
>persona keeps getting the titania that actually looks good

It's not FAIR, I don't like the non blonde hair titania!

>>157317880
How am I gonna get the skills I want then? Elements don't work with Famed demons, right?

>>157317764
OP and ED of the anime is great.

It's too bad the anime was so dogshit, and the premise of the game would've been so easy to implement into a kind of drama like shit but instead they made Bunny into an edgemaster and just do everything totally wrong.

If they couldn't pull off DeSu2 into a half decent anime then no other SMT has a chance.

>>157318070
Nope

>>157317982
they used another design for smt?
I haven't seen it nor found it in the wiki...
blondie Titania best tit

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>>157318274
See it at your own risk.

>>157318125
>Bunny into an edgemaster
He wasn't even an edgelord they just made him Shinji with Yamato being his Gendou.
They made bunny the character with the most sense of humor in the game a depressed and mopey fuck.
There

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>>157318274
Debisama/Soul Hackers Titania is some kind of middle-aged butterfly lady to go with Old Beetle-man Oberon from the same time period.

They'll be buried in their respective image archives on MTWiki, but fanart of them will require some deep diving on Pixiv.

>>157318521
He was an edgelord, he left his friends at one point because muh dangerous mission or some shit. Then he comes back and doesn't get any better, it just felt stupid. DeSu1 survivor definitely has some mopes but Bunny had like almost none.

Also the thing that most pissed me off is that there was NO FUCKING DEMON FUSIONS! THEY FUCKING USED THE SAME GOD DAMN BYAKKO FOR LIKE THE WHOLE ANIME UNTIL THE LAST EPISODE, HOLY SHIT!

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>>157318437
dear god why

good thing this version is far more popular.
>>157318694
Old Beetle is cooler than Shotaron. even if Shotaron is more canonical to the demon's lore.

>>157318694
>Old Beetle-man Oberon
What was Kaneko thinking

>>157318814
Yamato and Hibiki fused Satan and lucifer that hugged then hugged it out.
But I agree it was nothing like Devil Survivor 2 except for the basic plot and the characters.

I hope in SMTV we can return to the old Harpy-themed Flight race with:
Harpy
Ocypete
Caleano
Aello
Nemhain
Badb Catha
Macha
Morrigan

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>>157319838
I hope they use this harpy design, though

Where the heck is the Yaesu Passage?

>>157320812
Took me a while to find this one. It's the passage between Ginza/Kasumigaseki that you literally never need to go through.

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Took me a while to take a good screenshot, had to stomach a guy playing through smtiv on yt with a really obnoxious voice but lets take a moment to appreciate this bar design and all these people in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG2ikOeXkyU

>OH OH, YEAH YEAH
>those moans

SMTIV might have a few slopes, but its highs are on point.

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>>157320812
North exit from the Ginza underground. Why it's not notated as Tokyo Station for what I think you're looking for is beyond me, ho.

>>157313586
does anyone know where i can find a prepatched version of TMS that I can load with loaniine?

hoy

>>157322351
They keep updating the patch to fix their retarded mistakes. The game is huge too so no way are you gonna find an up to date prepatch. If you did it would be an early version of the patch where they did something dumber than Nintendo and called it Hee Haw Mart.

>>157044332 (Cross-thread) (OP)
>tfw /smtg/ sings will never be completed in your lifetime
>tfw even the kowaSHITai sings was thirteen times more successful

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>>157322774

>beat Dagda
>beat Vishnu
>yay friends forever we saved the world together we are true heroes the future is perfect
>Worthless Cripple: "hey you got nothing better to do. Go kill YHVH cuz he caused all this or something maybe whatever. You don't need a reason."
>YHVH world is massive boring and completely devoid of features, puzzles, or anything interesting. Recruitment is impossible and enemies cannot be analyzed but they are all easy and no threat anyway.
Why not just have an alternate ending where you tell Steve "nah I'm good. Masakado said we're fine."

>>157323115
WAKE UP

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>finish SMTIV:A twice on War mode
>the depression comes back

quick /smtg/ what should I play next that has a similar feel to IV.

Should I buy TMS? Or maybe play Nocturne, or Stranje Journey.

>>157323498
TMS is quite good if you can tolerate the theme.

EO and 7th Dragon are also good RPGs worth looking at but they're in a different franchise.


Then again I can't imagine being so starved for games that you get depressed after beating one. My backlog will last until I die

>>157323498
TMS isn't like SMT4:A, however it's better game anyway.
SJ is nothing like SMT4:A

Nocturne is possible and close enough.

>>157322881
so its just better to buy the game and dump it yourself then patch it? I can't even find a normal dl for it

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>>157323714
>however it's better game anyway.

>>157324059
But it is.

It's a Wii U game after all.

>Cleopatra carved numbers into Asahi's thigh

>>157324059
SMT4:A is a great game but TMS is legitimately a better game purely based on gameplay.

This is from a mainline fag with like 12 completed titles or some shit in his belt.

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>>157324192

Strange Journey would be so much better with the Extra Turn system from DeSu. The system it has doesn't work very well with the Strict Turn based style SJ has. It works fine in TMS though because of it's Conditional Turn Based, though the One More System works better for that.

>>157323498
Sertralin 50mg once every day after your meal.

It will take about 3-4 weeks to kick in, so keep that in mind.

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>>157324334
>a game no one wanted somehow played better than a mainline title
Man it gets me every time.

>>157324450
It would also be better if Phys skills costed HP

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>>157324272
ONE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qk8V3VcGKk

It feels so long ago.

I just finished my first playthrough of SMT4 and I have some questions.

I followed the chaos ending teamed up with Lucifer and the final boss was Merkibah and there were a bunch of loose ends. I figure that's not the "true" ending? Starting NG+ now, how should I proceed as to follow up with SMT4:A?

How many endings are there in SMT4?
Can I save my friends?

>>157324563
Dunno about P5 but it's gameplaywise something like...

TMS > SMT4A >>> P4 >= P3 >= SMT4

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>>157324827
There are 4 endings; there's the chaos one, law one, neutral one and the nihilist one. You should be able to play Apocalypse regardless what you ended with.

You can only save the monkey.

>>157324827
SMT4 has three "real" endings: chaos, law, and neutral. Then there's white.

You can't save your friends, they've jumped the deep end and will not change their ways. Isaboo can be saved.

The ending is meant to be open ended, all SMTs have open endings because basically every ending in a band-aid solution in the long run with issues to rise in the future.

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>>157324827
>Can I save my friends?

>>157324884
Why are you tagging Persona 3/4 along?

>>157324884
Weird thinking how people were alright with it bombing back then in December then looking now.

P5 honestly looks fun and I can't wait to get my hands on it in 20XX. From what I hear it plays well.
>>157324575
>>157324450
Give enemies Coop. Seriously, getting random encounters feel more threatening if they can hit weakness. Give bosses adds and it becomes more challenging.

>>157325031
So I got the chaos, how do I get the others? I figure following Jonathan probably gets me to Law, but how do I be indecisive enough to go with Isabeau? Or Nihilist?

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What are your favourite demons?

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Rate my build smtg

Playing SMT: Apocalypse. The only other SMT games I've played are Soul Hackers, Nocturne, and SMT4.

I feel like I don't get fusion. I feel like there's this deep mechanic, and I wonder what more experienced players do when they fuse, if they fuse specific races to go for a specific race for various reasons, etc.

All I do, is every couple of levels, I open up fusion, look at the full list of everything I can fuse, and fuse some new demons nearer or at my new level whose moveset/weakness/resistance lineup I like. Is that all there is to it, or is there a deeper level I just haven't broken into yet?

>>157325281
Law is just choosing all the goody-two shoes dialogue choices and go with Jonathan. I found myself on Neutral unintentionally twice. All you gotta do is keep track of which dialogue options you choose and make sure it's a balance of law and chaos.

A great way to check your alignment is your cursor on the world map. If your cursor rotates clockwise, you're on Law. Counter-clockwise is chaos. If it alternates, you're on Neutral.

Nihilist is just choosing to destroy everything when the White tell you to.

>>157325260
Because they're the closest in terms of rating I can make to compare how much of a difference gameplay wise there is between SMT4A and SMT4.

>>157325267
Different groups, I buy all my shit. Plus it gave me a good game to play while I was going through a depressive time in my life.

Was great, gave me a ton of laughs even if it's cringe and very japanese idols.

>>157325267
That game was hard enough as is, jesus.

Don't give the bosses anything more, SJ is a ballbusting game. After sector E.

>>157325556
Cool! I'm gonna try neutral this time through and see how it goes. Fuck Whitey.

>>157325556
Actually, scratch what I said about keeping a balance of Chaos and Law dialogue choices. What you should do is lean a little heavily towards one side, then choose the opposite alignment when Jonathan/Walter tell you to follow them. If you stay neutral the whole game and follow either one of them, you'll end up leaning towards either Law or Chaos and render your Neutral route unattainable.

>>157325349

I like Hua Po

>>157325371
Disorganized skills/10

>>157325385
No, that's basically how I fuse early game.

I make a demon, recruit some demons and try to get an idea of what I can make. Save and fuse and look what the resultants can make after I fuse and plan accordingly.

Late game there is a LOT of planning however and you might need to get a skill off a low lvl demon up to a high level demon to get a weakness off of them. So you might fuse a bad demon into another demon and then that demon into another until it can be fused into your desired.

>>157325636
>>157325707
Sorry, I made a mistake in my earlier post.

>>157325385
From my experience, I've mostly been downfusing & making better versions of demons I've already made or for fusion fodder if it's one of the most used demons

considering its my 3rd playthrough in 4A, I'll most likely be filling my compendium to 100%

>>157325556
Th cursor in SMTIV only changes after the route lock, making it useless.

Which game handled alignments best, smtg?

>>157326172
Devil survivor

>>157326172
SMT2, the alignments in that game have reps that are actually likeable and you learn the issues with both sides. Funnily enough, the game where Neutral leaves you the MOST fucked of any SMT so far.

After that there's a big issue with basically every game's alignments and reps. SJ was interesting at least even if both sides were terrible.

>>157326275
DeSu alignments were dogshit. I like the series but the alignments in those games are poor reps of what they actually look like.

>>157324589
I CAN COUNT TO 1

>>157325371
What is the point of all mighty attacks if pierce goes through anything?
If I were you I would have gone with judgement light that also does severe damage to everyone but with that you can hit yet another weakness.

>>157324589
NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

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>>157326520
Strange Journey is probably one of my favourites from all of them, but I guess I'm just a sucker to the whole "soldier saving the world from the hellscape that's growing by the minute" theme.
That and my confusion when one of the levels was a fucking supermarket

>>157326520
Not the same guy, but DeSu is the only smt were I thought all endings were pretty good.
It is the only one were I thought Neutral wasn't the best and were law/chaos weren't basically living in a dictatorship with no freewill whatsoever or living in crappy total anarchy world were you have to fight everyday to survive.

>>157326172
DeSu1, even if they were mostly Deus Ex style "choose the way forward for humanity" rather than SMT style alignments.

That's good though. SMT style alignments are usually incoherent at best

>>157324334
>>157324884

I have trouble believing this.

SMT IV A has so much debth in collecting demons, min/maxing their stats, fusion etc

What does TMS have over this?

asashi getting KEKED

>>157325385
You have the right of it. SMT fusion isn't especially deep and that's how you're going to play most of the time.

At mid level play the only concern is trying to keep the mandatory utility powers for your tier in your genetics. (Buffs, de buffs, etc) and that's seldom hard.

Post game max grind stuff is when you will really want to curate an endgame demon where you know every skill going in and that's just fusion chains of varying complexity and way too much grind cash to be worth the effort.

Also note the history of the franchise. This is a corny system dating back to the 80s with some usability modern fixes patched in. You are not going to get a masterwork ultra-deep system out of that. You'll have breadth out the ass but not much depth.

tl;dr your play is correct. Post game type stuff might demand more legwork but that's all it is. Legwork.

>>157323775
Good heavens no. I don't buy anything Atlus makes. I was able to find an original dump of it easy when /v/ was spreading pastebins to make it easy. It has to be somewhere online.

After playing IV and Nocturne, I have to ask, what the fuck is chaos, anyway? The name made me think of anarchy, but Walter kept going on about a world ruled by the strong, which doesn't necessarily sounds that chaotic, just like a warrior society. Then Lucifer tells you to rule Mikado, which, again, doesn't feel that chaotic. It's just a regime change from one law to another.

In Nocturne you've got Yosuga, which is basically IV's chaos, and then TDE which is "blow up the universe lol". I just can't get a proper grasp of what the philosophy of Chaos is.

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>>157327845
>Asashi having a chance when Toki exists
its the lips, those fucking lips, MUH DICK. Possessive waifus are my favorite cliche, outside of Rise, fuck Rise

>>157327707
The battles are really easy to figure out how to win in SMT4A (hit weakness, get 8 turns) and after a while it's a matter of hit each other until you run out of resources or they do.

In TMS there was a boss where I legitimately had to memorize where he was specifically on the screen relative to other characters in order to hit it for weaknesses since it split into 2+ and each copy had different null/weaknesses. I was exhilarated but also terrified that I had to do that in order to beat a boss in SMT.

Also TMS hardmode is harder than SMT4A before we get into the dogshit bullshit that is Apocalypse.

>>157328334
Nocturne is wurld of stronk. That's it.

The strong make the rules and the weak obey, any law or governance is decided by the strong. If someone is strong then they have power. There is as much order as the strong want, but there is no coddling of weak unlike Law.

>>157325627
Not hard enough. I heard enemies do sessions in TMS, I want to fear random encounters like I did early game.

>>157328549
Enemies in TMS do sessions in TMS, that's correct. It makes random encounters hard.

If you're looking for ballbusting then they just need to re-release it and make a difficulty option with the same game but with you doing 25% less and them doing 25% more.
I wouldn't play a higher difficulty though SJ, is pretty ridiculous as is and the first time you meet a demon in an area is terrifying.

>>157328334
All of the Ideals in Nocturne are variations of Law.

>>157328468
Right, I understand that Yosuga isn't necessarily chaos, but IV's idea of chaos seems to be basically Yosuga. Is it different in the older games?

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Post Toki!

>>157328712
I just want difficulty settings. Make NG+ crazy.

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>>157328404
this right here senpai

>>157328803
No, it's the same shit.

The strong rule and the weak obey, there was some more egalitarian society plan by Lucy in SMT1/SMT2 where it was more cooperation and living together with the humans and demons but they decided to make him a saturday morning cartoon villain after SMT3.

>>157329130
Issue with SJ is always postgame, if it's ever re-released we'll probably see something hopefully. Maybe AFTER SMT1/2 REMAKE SOMEDAY EVENTUALLY.

...After neon genesis releases If.

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working on this retarded thing, which demons should I add

>>157327707
Pokemon has more pokemons than SMT has demons. Does that make it deeper?

All they are is a vessel of skills. And all raising their stats are is grind.

But to get back to the topic, TMS simply has better dungeons than anything in 4A except maybe the waterfall cave. In addition, the bosses are almost all pretty clever with smart gimmicks and do a good job of pressuring you.

There's no demons to speak of, you just squeeze skills out of weapons by use and stick them to your team with a similar experience to sticking demon skills on the 4/4A protags, with chances to upgrade skills by relearning them if you want to really grind the weapons out.

But the combat does a great job also of making you worry about your actions. You can only really act 3 times a turn and bosses do a great job of messing you up with ailments, red damage/death, or other tricks to break down your engine. And a lot of your super moves are valuable because they combine actions more than doing massive damage. Tsubasa has a super that does Def Up, Evade Up, and high heal all which is incredibly efficient as luster candy/debilitate are gated off. Mamori can save the team if she is in the right place at the right time with her supers that allow her to heal all and act again or resurrect all and act again.

In the general case you still are doing these massive chain combos every time you hit a weakness and hoping you trigger a jackpot random ad lib special or duo performance special but the game did a good job of putting pressure on me and giving me chances to try to efficiently keep a damaged team going well enough to survive the next turn.

>>157329280
Ongyo-ki

>>157329280
Legion is duh.
Oni is probably needed.

Lilith/Lilim.
Pyro Jack.
A sector boss or two.
Matador or some sort of fiend lurking.
Maybe make a demon the squiggly unidentified thing.

>>157329280
OROBAS

>>157328549
There is lunatic difficulty that is NG+, no carry over exclusive that makes it tough to get through the tutorial first fight without dying.

When I played on Hard TMS, haven't done Lunatic yet, I did get curb stomped by some really nasty late game random encounters but it wasn't a common occurrence.

>>157326520

Nah, in smt II the chaos faction is way too good. It's literally the bonds route of old school megaten.

I'd have to say I like the alignment system of smt I the most.

>>157329273
>bonus sectors
>more EX missions
Please, I need this
>>157329280
Oni, Oroboas, power?

>>157329273
>It's always the same shit, except every game before IV
I'm getting mixed messages here.

>>157329280
What demon would be best for each Doom demon?
Imp - ?
Cacodemon - ?
Possessed Soldier - ?
Revenant - ?
Lost Soul - ?
Pinky - ?
Hell Knight - ?
Baron of Hell - ?
Spider Mastermind - ?
Arachnotron - ?
Mancubus - ?
Cyber-Demon - ?
Pain Elemental - ?
Arch-Vile - ?

Also,

Doom-guy - ?

>>157328803

The difference between Yosuga and Chaos is that Yosuga wants a lawful world where the strong rule, while Chaos wants total anarchy.

Presumably in Yosuga there would be a totalitarian government that would kill and enslave the weak and the strong would have to challenge and kill their leaders to rule. It's literally the worst of Law and Chaos combined. No wonder the angels liked it so much.

>>157329949
>Chaos wants total anarchy.
IV chaos didn't give this vibe at all. It literally ends with Lucifer crowning Flynn king of Mikado.

>>157329280
FUCK YEAH!
I hope you make the schwarzewelt visible in the bg

>>157329273
Lucy can be a cartoon villain once or twice if YHVH is always one.

>>157329791
>Doom-guy - ?
You have to ask?

>>157330189
I mean besides the obvious. I mean a real demon.

What's the point of the sidequests in SMT IV A aside from getting the black card?

Macca DLC makes them pretty pointless.

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>Finally got to kill all my friends
>Heard you pick someone to revive to be your brainwashed cocksleeve for all eternity
>Get to the selection fully expecting to pick best girl Toki
>Wait a sec, this will be my only partner for the rest of the game, and Toki is pretty ass for bosses
>Plus she kind of pissed me off saying she'd go with me either way, and immediately 180ing against me
>Bobo said she'd hated me ever since I refused to help carry injured people at the beginning of the game
>can heal decently and buff with luster candy
>I'm also getting a freebie by getting to cuck Flynn for all eternity

I never expected she'd end up being my goddess, but gotta admit, it feels pretty good seeing her reduced to my loving slave, more so than the other girls(besides Nozomi maybe, but I'm already gun man).

>>157330242
Demonee-ho

>>157330285
For people without macca DLC to get macca.

>>157330285
Bonus equipment you get for beating them and unlocking demons.

>>157330285
The side stories

>>157330285
Leveled XP payouts.

And some of us updated our 3DS so we can't get free vidya. Stop rubbing it in ;_;

Does anyone have the picture where they revive all of their friends, I wanna see the other responses

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>Used to think Nanashis design was fucking shit
>I actually kinda lile it now
Did this happen to anyone else?

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>>157330792
I feel the same.

>>157330792
It's the same for me, I even think it's cute alongside the maid outfit.

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>>157330285
there's one or two plots but most are crappy

On nocturne, is preach a good skill to have on Daisoujou?

>Navarre destroys all your items
Fuck, if I knew I would have sold them before this fight.

>>157331286
Which fight??

>>157330326

>Wanting to cuck Flynn.

C'mon man. He's a good godslayer. Let him have some monkey pussy too. I picked Isabeau too and in my autistic headcanon Nanashi lets him have threesomes with them.

>>157331386
The one against him and all your other friends.

>>157329282
So basically TMS has better dungeons and some good boss fights.

It just has worse music, worse characters, and a worse story, and to top it all off is on a terrible console with hilarious censorship.

>>157330326
>>157331468
I don't think Flynn has any romantic feelings for the monkey to actually cucked.
The whole thing seemed onesided from Isabeau's side to me.

>>157331192
Yes you can get a guaranteed crit if you sleep an enemy

>>157331787
Hmm, I guess it's up to you, since he was originally you in the first place.

His only real options are being a loner, being in love with bobo, or being a deviant who fugs his demons.

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>>157330747
>reviving friends

>>157331770
>worse music
>worse characters
>worse story
Wrong 3x

>>157331770
Anon, just stop it.

Me and the 2 other guys who have played TMS say that it is the best megaten game ever, and our opinion is fact.

>>157331770
>worse music
>worse characters
Lol, nah. The music is actually really good, the issue with it is actually there isn't more music.
Also the characters are more likeable than most SMT mainline characters.

The censorship is minimal unless you're an autist apart from the wedding dress thing.

No debate about story, it was bad.
Like, if you want to hate it that's fine but come up with its real issues. There are tons.

>>157331935

>Fugging demons
>deviant

Get out of our thread of str Merkabah

>>157332157
>wanting to create more monstrosities like Hallelujah

>>157332047
>>157332141
>>157332067
>C-team somehow made a superior game than Maniax team
How can mainline even recover?

>>157332362
Maniax is the C-Team

>>157331787
He kills her pretty quick in SMT4.

Kinda wish there were an option to kill her and nobody else this time but she isn't as awful this time.

>>157332157
Fuck off anthony

>>157328334
It's the most consistent force posing as the most uncontrollable one.

You never see Chaos aligned groups trying to overthrow Lucifer's plans for their own spin on it, or really any in-fighting at all like you do between Law (in particular, SMT2 and 4's various Laws actively fucking each other up with totally different end goals).

>>157332407
Well shit. It's sort of expected comparing the quality of game.

>>157332141
I thought TMS story was EASILY better than 4 and probably on even footing with 4A's.

>>157332362
It's over. Mainline is kill. Persona is the future.

>>157331935
He's always has Burroughs. Just stick it in the gauntlet.

>>157332671
I welcome this with open hands.

Honestly outside of expanse and full retard Walter, I didn't find 4's story that bad. Maybe it's because I was alright with background lore and stuff and it wasn't 4A's brand of story.

>>157328728
I hate this meme. Furthering YHVH's goals != Law. See SMT 2 Satan and SMT 4A Lucifer.

There is nothing inherently Law about Musubi for instance.

It's weird that Lucifer decided to pose as Walter sometimes in 4A, but they don't bring up the whole schoolgirl thing he was doing before then and decides to default back to in the Chaos end of 4.

>>157333020
He was going through a phase.

>>157333020
They've dropped the whole shtick of what made Lucy into Lucy since SMT4.

We'll never again have blonde Lucy ever again, or at least until we get the more knowledgeable Lucy back in the scene and not the one that's just a cog in the machine. Well... The one that's more of a cog.

>>157329280
HOLY SHIT SOL

>>157332671

The only thing I didn't like in TMS was the story, absolutely loved everything else.

And even then it was more just indifference than actual dislike.

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>>157329280
Update, gonna finish it later since I'm tired kek

>>157335461
10/10 ongyo-ki my man

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>whole party is sick, decide to try for fusion error
>kill 2 demons and savescum for error
>after 15 minutes I get an error and it's Barong
>give up and play normally
>2 minutes later get another fusion error
>mfw Zealot Tezcatlipoca

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>>157335717
Never give up. Follow your dreams.

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Since the anon who was editing the tips pastebin seems to be MIA, I decided to change it up myself.

http://pastebin.com/08LwydpC

The changes are:
> The information in the SMTIVA pastebin that an anon made was copypasted and slightly edited into a new section bellow SMTIV
In this new section I also incorporated these links:
>SMTIV Apocalypse information
http://pastebin.com/Xmjsuv0D
>Demon Database Tool For Apocalypse
https://aqiu384.github.io/smt4a-tool/

Also.
> SMT if... tips and tricks pastebin was copypasted between SMTII and Nocturne
> PQ section was added
*borrowed from /pg/

If you are fine with it, we'll put it as the new "Tips and tricks" pastebin, and we can erase the respective links from the OP, so that it doesn't look so busy anymore.

>>157332849
4A's brand of story had a villain, a plan, a plot, a struggle, a climax, and then four extra pointless hours of shit.

4 didn't really have any of those. And I absolutely loved how it captured the sort of quirky old school half-random terseness of an ancient RPG, it didn't do enough well to make me forgive it's flaws.

TMS is neither. Opens with an incredibly strong mystery hook. Blows that by chapter 1. Charming comedy antics. But they do manage some strong world building at the end and by borrowing the FE characters to make the sudden villain dragon at the end not feel completely random and have some importance.

>>157335461
The anatomy of everyone so far looks nicely polished.
Good job.

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Why did Camael get Armour at the Members only club when he wasn't even usable in-game?

>>157329280
>>157335461
Don't forget that the DOOM Boxart is from the perspective of Doomguy himself, looking at another person.

How is exp calculated in SMT1?

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>>157329280
>>157335461
y-you guys that's not me
that's another cool drawanon.

I was doing this today.
http://imgur.com/a/h0rTb

I can't fucking wait till he finishes tho, that looks SICK
Doomguy is the fucking best

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>>157337214
>putting both blush effects on the same layer
I'll let it slide this once!

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>>157335461
that fucking ripped ho
10/10 can even listen the battle theme playing right now

>>157337214
I like it, although I have a problem with the legs and I can't put it into words. Best I can say is I don't feel like you're emphasizing the hips enough.

>>157337916
perspective ain't my strongest skill yet, gotta practice it more.

>>157336473
Good job anon.

Let's try to aply the new changes to the OP once we hit bump limit.

>>157336473
Reminder that the mega link for Final's OST is still dead. Someone needs to get on that eventually.

>>157338746
https://mega.nz/#!phMRASLJ!7MahW79Rrgyqj1GndTH1_2WfC5oU8JDaBhOwEEtJa-Q

Here's a working link for it

>>157338830
Now someone just needs to fix the one in the pastebin.

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>>157335461
>dat crosshatching adding volume just right

teach me senpai

>>157338830
>>157338973
That reminds me that the "More information about SMTIVA" has these ded links as well, not to mention that it is redundant when the downloads pastebin already exists.

If the original editor of that bin is still here he should change that, or else I'll rewrite that pastebin too.

>>157336473
>https://aqiu384.github.io/smt4a-tool/
Is that accurate? I haven't played the game, but do only Odin, Shiva, and Surt have a +7 affinity in anything? (Not counting Mephisto, Cleopatra, and Satan, who have +8s)

>>157339491
The tool is accurate save for a few demon name typos and fusion combinations.

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>>157337916
I know what it might be, I didn't quite make them look 3D, the lines were too flat and no indication of volume. I'm sorry anon. But I'll learn from this
>>157337719
d-do you want more alts

I assume there is no reason to explore every nook of YHVH's boredom land?

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Daily reminder that TMS is an objectively bad game and anyone who says otherwise is a fucking moron.

>>157341886
(you)

>>157341886
>Objectively bad game.
>Everybody who says so hasn't played it.
>Best RPG gameplay Atlus has ever done.

K

>>157342090
You're in the wrong thread, buddy. >>157322962

What demons are exclusive to NG+ in Apocalypse?

>>157342313
>>Everybody who says so hasn't played it.

what did you mean by this? dawg, are you implying that I haven't played TMS? because I have. I preordered the game and I got to gamestop an hourly early so I could make sure I get the special edition. I've put 100+ hours into it and I got all the achievements. I can say while being fair-minded as possible that it's an objectively poorly designed mediocre game. Anyone who says that TMS is a decent game is a fucking idiot that's either A.) Trolling or B.) Has never played a real megaten game in their life

>>157342313
EO is better gameplay-wise but TMS is still strong

>>157342313
>only 10 people have played it, from this group only 2 bought it at release
>game is in a console known for having a buyerbase that will treat any release it has as the second coming of Jesus just to justify their purchase

>BUT IT'S THE BEST ATLUS GAME EVER GUYS! Me and my 2 buddies from /tmsg/ said so!

K.

>>157342902
Satan

>>157343292
Just Satan? wow.

>>157342902
Satan, Lucifer, Merkabah, and Chiro.

>>157343023
>>157343164
If you think TMS is a poorly designed mediocre game then SMT4 is an utter dogshit of a game that's a disgrace to the SMT mainline name.

I bought the game to troll around expecting it to be bad and it wasn't, it was a really decently made SMT game that takes the things that make Persona kind of okay and puts it together with the actual difficulty and designs of SMT mainline. The story and design process might be questionable but the gameplay was GOOD.

Also I've played 12 overall Atlus games, and I started with SJ. Get fucked.

PS: Also an Etrian Odyssey player, so again get fucked.

>>157343403
No that was just from the top of my head. You get him from fusing Lucy and Merk.

>>157343101

Well yeah, but EO is kind of a different beast altogether.

>>157343023

>Puts 100's of hours into a "poorly designed mediocre game"

Why do I not buy this at all?

Unless you have so little to do you can actually afford to waste so much time on something "mediocre" which I doubt.

I wanna fuck Stephen.

>>157339457
I already made a version with SMT4A added

>>157344378
Goddess of Tokyo/Burroughs pls go

>>157343969
I love TMS but the cheevos not only require 3 playthroughs but also a lot of specific interactions that aren't going to come from natural play.

What drove you to get all those?

>>157321010
Even better is the fact that this is a remix of Kichijoji. This is probably my favorite song from IV.
It just feels so fitting to the world.

>>157328404
>its the lips, those fucking lips
When the fuck are we gonna get some lip porn of Toki?

>>157335461
This is so sick anon.

>>157335461
>>157337214

Two drawbuddies in a single SMT general really makes my day. Lewd and cool art being whipped up.

>>157330242
Doppleganger?

>>157333020
No one remembers the schoolgirl except Flynn. Both Skins and Fujiwara forgot.

>Hikaru was probably there hanging out with Akira and those two but they always forget so you don't see it.

>>157344627

The wii U doesn't even have an achievement system like PS or Xbox, right? Why would anybody do that shit when there isn't even epeen to be had, let alone for a game that supposedly blows.

>>157336739
It's cool armor.

>No armor based on Majin Tensei designs like Girl Beelzebub, Leather Satan, or actual Reaper Sariel with a cooler scythe.

>>157343507
I would trust you if you didn't jump around saying retarded shit like
>IT'S TEH BEST GAME EVAR! And if you disagree with me you're wrong
But no, #fefags can't into grounded arguments.

What I have read and experienced among people who played it and don't have a fanboy boner for it, is that it's a really ok game that brought lots of fresh innovations, the battle system and difficulty are pretty good, but it also has really long battle animations including the mirage sessions, excesive loading times, unnecessary paddling thanks to the way the weapon fusion and inheritance mechanics work, not to mention a terrible story and a setting that can even turn off a mid-tier level weeabo.

TMS might be an ok game which can guarantee an RPG fan lots of fun; I can give it that.
But TMSfags in the other hand behave as your average /v/ console warrior, and should be treated as such.

>>157344553
Burroughs exist seperately from her. She'd side with Nanashi even on Massacre unlike the original.

>>157322961
Stop quoting my thread you fucking faggot

>>157344403
Nice.

I didn't touch your pastebin btw since it is pretty complete and hands out answers that are still relevant. I just relocated it into the new tips and tricks pastebin.

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>>157341886
>make games where you kill god in the end
>fedora
like pottery

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>>157346109
It's fine since fedoras makes you look gangsta.

>>157345772

I don't see anybody saying it's the best thing ever, only that it's competently designed or Really good, which isn't necessarily a wrong opinion. Course, maybe I'm just missing something from other threads.


The "it's the worst thing Ever" arguments are equally retarded.

>>157346547
I can come to an agreement with you.

The game's share of fanboys and haters just had to ruin things for everyone.

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>>157329273
>...After neon genesis releases If.
Everytime

>>157346760
Don't you mean... Anytime!

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>>157347004
Cheeky

>>157345772
No one's said that, see >>157346547

Battle animations can be skipped or fast forwarded. Loading times I've felt worse from SMT4A actually, but yes it does have loading issues. The fusion system is opinions, I think it's interesting but annoying for upgrading weapons.

No one has said it's the best, people have said it's good. It's better than SMT4, and I stand by SMT4 is among the worst of the mainline series.

>>157345938
You relocated my pastebun from last thread?
I'm at work so I can't answer back so fast

>>157347304
IVA has loading issues with demon pics in the Cathedral, something that never happend to me in IV.

>>157347658
Yeah. It's rather short, so I just put the information into the tips pastebin.

>>157347304
>no one's said that
>>157342313

>>157347976
Nice
Thanks anon
I wanted to put more but I felt like those were the most important things to add
Plus there's like a few quests that matter on the side
Like the main quest is all that's really needed so it felt short

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>YHVH's Technicolor Hellhole
I repent. I'll never question Law again. Just make the dungeon end.

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>>157348749
sorry for giving your universe cancer, but you'll still have to suffer

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>>157348749
Good boy. Load your save state, side with Merkabah and delete the game.

>>157348749
Are you talking about the Purgatorium? It wasn't so bad.

>>157348749

The smt 2 music that consists of 3 notes looping after like 5 seconds.

JUST END IT ALL.

>>157348749
It doesn't matter. To him you are already filth that deserves to be punished.

>>157348178

That specifically says gameplay, nothing about other aspects of the game.

I'd hardly call it saying it's the best thing ever.

>>157348749
never ever

>>157348749
>Allowing the cruel, uncaring God to win.

This is why you deserve to be eaten in a world of str.

>>157348749
No anon, don't give up, you can do it, defeat him and end his reign of horror.

>>157346760
>>157347164
someone should tweet these pics to him

What are the benefits of running a magic build over a physical build in DeSu OC and what should I do to get a lot of points for NG+?

>>157350534
The advantage is you do more damage in every circumstance. Dances are overpowered.

>>157343507
>expecting it to be bad and it wasn't
you had your expectation set so low that you got enjyoment whenever you saw tsubasa on screen because you know you'll never get a real girl, I guess how hard your dick gets while playing a game is indicitive how good a game is :^)

How acquire Ginza Black Card in IVA?

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>Playing SMTIV
>suddenly locked into Neutral unintentionally

Oh fuck. Time to do those quests...

Anyone know where to find Kresniks in apocalypse?

I thought I remembered seeing some "wild" ones in Tsukiji konganji but ive been walking all around for like half an hour now and didn't find any

>>157352028
1F of Tsukiji

>>157352028
Pretty sure that is where you find them in Apo. Either him or Kudlak.

@157351294
I had a real girl anon, we broke up though so maybe that'll make you feel better?

No (you) for bad bait though.

>>157352260
Ah I went to 2 and 3 after 5 mins in 1
I'll try again thanks

>>157351410
Do the quest about that boss that runs away a ton in Midtown.

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>>157337214
It's cool, but I feel the grip on that ass should be harder. Indentation on the skin where the fingers tightening on that fat.

Ahh well, I appreciate greatly the Gu Huo Niao. She deserves much more love

It would've been neat if they uncensored YHVH on NG+ since you're awakened.

>>157353516

I feel like fucking Stephen or Satan of all people should be able to say it no problem.

Also, while we're at it, saying YHVH in dialogue every 2 seconds kinda ruins the whole thing.

>>157354191
Why would they able to say it? Whats so special about Stephen anyway he's just a dimension hopper

>>157350127
YHVH doesn't even DO anything in SMT4A. Everyone just says "This is all because of YHVH" and nobody actually describes his crimes.

>>157347716
Those loading issues only hit me once I """""bought""""" the DLC.

I actually bought it you fucking moralfag.

>>157345772
You have several grounded arguments up thread. Get fucked.

Fusion and inheritance mechanics aren't any less padding than demon fusion in SMT is anyway.

>>157354308

Well he's ascended to a higher plane or existence, and you'd think beings on essentially the same plane of existence would have absolutely no problem saying it, Especially since Stephen is a universe hopping immortal wheelchair man who knows and sees everything pretty much.

Hoy

>>157355953
Jonathan > Walter

Which is the best DLC; The Messiahs of Diamond Realm, the beach, or cleopatra?

>>157356287
No demon
Dark pierce
Light pierce
You decide.

>>157356287
Just pirate all of them

>>157356381
I mean are they fun, or is it just for the demons? And the Diamond realm DLC is a disappointment?

>>157356287
Both Mephisto and Cleo are pretty good demons. If you want a demon and fanservice get the beach.

In DDS1 do i need to worry about point distribution too much for a physical attacker build? it seems Heat will always have more str than me

>>157356287
fun fight - diamond realm
broken demon tits - cleo
fanservice beach episode - mephisto

>>157356461
Beach is fanservice, cleo is just a pair of fights, diamond realm is a full dungeon and a superboss, complete with 2nd party of the old heroes.

>>157356663
Yeah but Heat is also a total shitter who folds like paper the minute a single magic attack hits him.

>>157356819
>>157356718
>>157356473

Guess I'll get the beach DLC then.

>>157356862
Right now i'm thinking distributing it evenly 1 st 1 vi 1 ag, occasionally i'll put in 1 for mag instead of ag. is this fine?

>>157356663
>anon isn't stronger than Heat
You're fucking up.

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>Krishna just gives you a medicine when level up while making an evil laugh

SMT x Gojira

>>157357109
shit I thought I just had bad luck

>>157357109
That fucking pajeet did that to me just earlier and I have Gift+

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>>157337214
Dude you've put out more SMT4 porn in 2 weeks than the Japs have in months

>>157357042
Go full St for a couple of levels (5~10), then start alternating St/Ag/Ma and St/Ag/Vi.
Generally once you reach the 50~60 range in your offensive stat, you're good to go, but I feel Ma is safer

>>157357109
>>157357408
Same here, I wonder if the 3 of us have bad luck or he's just like that.

>>157358005
He never give you anything else

>>157357720
I'm at level 8 should i start over?

>>157358339
Level 8 is like, barely after the first dungeon, if not still in it, go ahead.
You can skip the cutscenes anyways, except the ones that have a dialogue prompt following it.

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so what happened to that rpgmaker remake of SMT 1?

>>157354191
Nanashi is human he can't understand it. That's all.

>>157354673
Are you retarded? His henchmen and scapegoat have been set up to unleash Armageddon. The Mysterious woman and angel who aided in the experimentation done by Tamagami, sending Pluto and Ancient of Days to kill everyone in Blasted, while sending Sanat to do the same in Infernal.

The Stephen DLC pointing out he set up bad ends for each Messiah, includingpulling a fast one that got Lucy to kill his greatest general.

Seth from IV worked for him till he fires him for failing to stop Isis from reviving Osiris.

>>157350879
alright thanks for the tips.
>>157350534
anyone else got any tips?

>>157358497
>rpgmaker remake of SMT 1?
Yo, what, I kinda wanna know too

>>157336473
>anon is MIA
I'm that anon you're talking about.

Anyway, I didn't get a chance to add onto it cause I had work. But anyway, thanks for updating it

>>157313586
fuck that harpie sun god man hes gonna make me grind

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post smtg

>>157358339
Yes.

>>157358839
someone linked a japanese version on this thread like last year and then 1 anon posted that screenshot saying "Fantranslation in progress" and then they were never heard of again

>Walter uses Fire Magic
>Lucifer uses Ice Magic

>>157359410
>Jonathan use Ice magic
>Merkabah never use Ice

>>157359410
He learned his lesson from Minotaur

>>157359410
>Pascal woofs
>Cerberus never woofs

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>>157359075

Is there any ending bonus for SMTIVA? I know it doesen't register which endings you got like smt4 did, so is there anything stopping me from getting every ending in one playthrough by reloading a save? Do I get locked out of any demon or can I unlock them all on the peace route? Can I get a 100% compendium right on my second pt?

I heard that if you're a bro for massacre you get fucked in the ass

was there anything like that for mark and lucy way earlier in the game or was that just a massacre thing?

>>157359410
>No Hallelujah absorbing his dads power to learn Treu Zan/Ziodyne and having pierce added to all four by default.

>>157359716
DDS titles for each ending (Counting the two dummy endings) as well as titles based on where your morality meter is at.

Like you give a shit but it is the game's only cheevo system.

>>157359410
>Yoshio uses force magic

>>157359830
If you mismatch alignment for the two neutral endings, you lose items or demons, depending on the mismatch.

There is nothing like that for law and chaos. They're out of character enough.

>>157359623
>Pascal the Dog has his own theme
>Cerberus the Demon doesnt

>>157359845
I had no idea there was even a morality meter. Is there a list of all the DDS titles I can get?

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Well since my last release of this was a failure. I went back, removed the reg file, and added a readme file detailing on what to do. (which I should've done in the first place.)

https://mega.nz/#!eI8mnbKR!Svl4_i1ff_H2AXCQzDRFezPK7l3R_gAt6VkWZW36kpU

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Would somebody with the know-how be a hero and make a wallpaper out of pic related in the style of the next picture I post?

>>157360389
More like a friendship meter.

And no clue.

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Preferably in 1920x1080
I have nothing to give in return but you will have my deepest thanks

>>157360550
WHAT IS THIS AND WHAT DOES IT DO?
I want to know before downloading

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>>157360867
Basically a Windows sound scheme with SMTIVA sounds.

>>157360867
>downloading shit from strangers
lmaoing at your gullibility jk I'm lmaoing at my own years ago
if the original SMT happened the only summoners would be old people that get into cooky conspiracy theories

>>157360867
It's just a windows sound scheme that uses smart phone sounds from apocalypse.

>>157360550
And thank you for updating this.
The sound effects are pretty cool.

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>>157360619
>>157360838
So, what you want is someone to open up paint with the second picture, then open up paint with the first, cut it and paste it over the first so it aligns and boom? Right?

>>157360929
>>157360976
Sweet! Thanks anon!

>>157360943
>

>horde of Metatrons

Thanks DJ Yellow Kami. Still needs more horde of Demiurges.

So I was wondering. Is there any particular benefits to keeping the name Nanashi in SMT4A? Will others call you Nanashi if you do it or is it just an Asahi thing?

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>>157359075

>>157361000
>bonzy buddy
heh