/scg/edg/ Space Stars Elites and Ded Threds #71

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Polaris!

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>>157247863

>>157247980
>And I will support it any way that I can

Do you think you can convince one of these people to buy you a ship? It's supporting the game after all :^)

>>157247980
Is there a story behind this picture?

>>157247659
7/10 much better than last thed but you left out thread edition

>>157248360
one man's incredible asspain at getting a well deserved ban from a particular mod.

Should I get Star Citizen?

>>157248708
wait for the next free trial (probably in 2.6) and decide for yourself

>>157248708
I caved and got it for the chance to fly every ship.

>>157248708
Do it, grab an Aurora LN and make it your shipfu

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BIG

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(Not as) Big

>>157249406
I love how every time I see the caterpillar on these things, a) the size is completely different, and b) it has a question mark beside it. last time I saw it it was 110m (?)

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>>157249406
Have the one with the Polaris.

>>157248708
backers have access to every ship thats currently flyable ingame for the week, so if youre gonna buy a cheap package just do it now so you can test all the ships

soon as that ends, theres pretty much always someone ingame with a big ship that you can crew or take for a spin.

wait til 2.6 free fly weekend honestly if you want a better experience

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>>157249597
>>157249615
>100m(?)

>>157249615

Thanks chief

>>157249801
No one knows for sure but the devs, and they're not telling yet.

>>157249597
>>157249801
already been confirmed for ~135m in the last video i think

>next ship shape will be some greybox shit on polaris we've already had for 2 weeks instead of bucc, cutlass rework, caterpillar

Buy more jpegs, goy

>>157250290
what is this sorcery

>>157250161
they've shown the caterpillar interior at a full polish level for every section, I don't know what's the hold up that it can't be hangar ready for 2.6.
>>157250290
epic post brah you really roasted us there

>>157250342
It's just magical stars.

>>157250290

I only need two jpegs of varying size

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>>157250460
Polaris and Cutlass is all you need.

>>157250624

I think you mean a Polaris and a Cutlass Blue.

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>>157250742
There is no better choice.

I really hope they keep the unique cockpit in the rework, it's brilliant.

>>157250381
yeah, it should at least be hangar ready in 2.6.

i'm guessing it involves item 2.0 and all those fancy screens and displays, as well as having probably the most player controlled moving parts of any ship ingame when it comes out.

gonna be pretty beat if it releases in 3.0 without any of those displays, or the tractor beam being functional. I don't expect flight ship to be detachable in 3.0 - and if it is, then the merlin on the constellation has no excuse for not being deplyable in flight or removable as a module.

it's a pretty technically demanding ship but they've still had alot of time. i'd still be happy to walk around a non functional version of it in 2.6

>elite dangerous
>entire galaxy full of space and stars and shit
>fucking nothing in it
>next to no multiplayer interaction, practically singleplayer

>>157251013
>when the freelancer normies realize cutlass is best ship, but can't handle the AESTHETIC

Does anyone know who the photographer was at Citizencon?

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>>157251013
Cutlass Blue is best Cutlass
>bigger shields
>better armor
>more missiles
>REGAL AS FUCK
It's pretty great.

>>157251292
Doesn't even look like a Drake ship anymore. I love it.

>>157251169
>>157251292
>piratefags shilling their drakeshit

>>157250290
>Tfw if this meme catches on artists are going to starve

>>157251417
Stay made, shittyshipper candywhipper

>>157251064
I'm convinced that if ED was a single player game, it would be quite a bit better. Actually, it probably would have been updated Frontier Elite 2, we'd have time dilation and everything

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>try the mini-PU
>do a mission
>any time a pirate warps in my frames go from maybe 30-40 to single digit slideshow until I manage to kill them

????

>>157254913
same here, it's not your computer, the netcode is borked

wait until 2.6 next year to fix it

>>157255224
*3.0. 2.6 isn't bringing the netcode fix.

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>>157256123
is 2.6 re-making the characters?

since the previous update my guy has had his fucking pistol and a cigar/pen thing (which I now know is a healing dart) clipped to his arm and it's so fucking distracting I can't play the game.

Any solutions?

>>157256716
Ok wtf is this?
Why are you posting this again?
Is it a joke in some discord or something because it's fucking retarded.

>>157256923
No I just want to fix my fucking character. What's funny about it?

>>157257096
Nothing at all.

>>157256716
Try to use it?

Is the gladiator slated for a rework?

>>157247659
I wonder if the reclaimer can carry a small ship (like the redeemer)

>>157254913
i get vanduul swarm tier smoothness long as im the only player in the area doing ICC missions. stil doesnt affect the netcode preventing the game from understanding that i've just shot 50 shots into an aurora til 30 seconds later when it blows up out of nowhere

anyone else notice that when a cutlass pirate spawns, it just kinda flies around then blows up without hitting anything

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>>157260090
I have no idea what's wrong with the Cutlass AI. It's funny, but when you actually like the Cutlass it's kind of infuriating.

>>157260090

>it just kinda flies around then blows up without hitting anything

Simulating the average intelligence of Cutlass fans

>>157260090
I didn't even know there was a cutlass pirate. maybe that's why

>>157256716

Stop posting this, retard. This is your 2nd retardation moment.

>>157262075
i seem to only get them when im actually IN a cutlass, they either strafe you without shooting, then blow up from nothing, or drive straight in the direction they spawned at and blow up

>>157261593
it's an acquired taste i guess. though the only people i see actively hating on it are MISC fans who dont feel safe when theyre not in their lilo-and-stitch-lookin-ass space turds

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>no difference between wave 18 solo and co op

>3 months per patch

2.6 - November 2016
3.0 - February 2017
3.1 - May
3.2 - August
3.3 - November
4.0 - February 2018
4.1 - May
4.2 - August (Minimum Viable Product / 'Feature Complete')

How long will the Polaris be up for purchase with LTI, anyone know?

>>157262968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbAWBVRoqQ

>>157262968
Been expecting 2018 since last year so maybe

Like the use of MVP though, very not suspicious :^)

>>157263084
Just for a week like all the other concept sales.

>>157262968
what happens to whatever is between 3.3 and 3.4 ?

>>157263168
>not suspicious
What are you suspicious of? My identity?

>>157263623
There is no 3.4.

>>157251285https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/profile/408678/frac-alastrom

This guy I think. Had a cane and shaved head.

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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15559-RSI-Polaris-Q-A-Part-1

>>157265614
>Only 2 merlins

Goddammit.

>>157262968
if they dont go absolutely insane with what they want the game to be, with how much money they new have, and once theyve finished making the tools they need to design the rest of the game, theres zero reason the game, as it stands as a concept right now, cant be ready to roll in beta by late 2017.

soon as theyve refined their methods of creating content, it's just a matter of making new places and things to do, which doesnt take anywhere near the time it's taken them to basically turn cryengine into another engine.

>>157267589
>absolutely insane with what they want the game to be
I remember we were waiting for Star Marine for ages, and then they released 'grabby hands'. It annoyed me because I thought they were messing around focusing on the wrong things.

I know you're right about the content pipeline but honestly these ships are still being re-worked and it seems like it's taking forever. I like what they've shown but it seems like a bunch of scripted marketing material instead of actual game updates.

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>>157247980
I don't go on CIG forums. Who from gold wing got banned? Wolvenx's profile is still active. https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/profile/Wolven

Googling the text of the post returned no results.

>>157268132
It's my OC from years ago. It was basically me mocking the forum whales with their cultish posts and over-zealous moderators. The ban message has nothing to do with anyone from Gold Wing or concierge. It's made up.

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>>157268039
They never released grabby hands. They had an early version of the push/pull system.

>>157268256
oh ok have aurora-chan for your troubles.

>>157268039
>Tfw you can't go back in time, slap Chris and stop him from promising Star Marine

>>157263623
same reason we're going from 2.6 to 3.0.

3.0 adding planets which will essentially be more content than we have right now total on 1 planet, so it may as well be the 3rd version. 2.0 added the online universe to begin with.
4.0 will be adding multiple entire stat systems with multiple planets moons and stars each, again, multiplying what the game is

>>157268430
*from letting FUCKING NIGFONIC anywhere near SC in the first place

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>Starfarer has a seat in the cockpit for a non-pilot owner to just chill and look at ship status, tell the crew what to do, look out the window, check his emails
I need dis. why doesn't every big ship have one of these.

>>157263705
http://imgur.com/a/BhUxp

>>157268573
When did he outsource it to them, 2012? 2013? At the time they were apparently outsourcing quite a bit of their game because they wanted to hit release dates. While Illfonic probably fucked up in their own ways, I still think promising Star Marine was the stupidest fucking thing, because people are expecting it as an almost entirely separate game.

>>157268575
which other big ships are you referring to

>>157268794
>3.1 Mining
>Orion is on the 4.0 patch

!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

>>157268995
Don't disturb the narrative.

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>>157268995
Probably means the mining mini-game like the golf swing stuff. Then the ship comes after that.

>>157268912
well the Caterpillar for one that has only a gay fucking secondhand Cutlass fighter seat unit instead of a proper bridge despite having an entire bridge module.

>>157269237
>Saving time is pay2win now

Fucking retards.

>>157269420
wew lad

>>157268359
Draw tali-chan.

>want a tali ever since they were sold
>wanted to wait for LTI upgrade
>play this free fly week
>discover it absolutely sucks and isnt anything like the commercial video they released
>the polaris is way better and has bigger and more torps than 3 talis

Man I'm glad I never got around to upgrading to that ship.

>>157269480
>Play War Thunder
>Buy every vehicle in the game with real money, something that takes an obnoxious amount of hours to do without spending money
>Unlock the highest tier vehicles
>Get my ass kicked because I'm shit, don't know how to use the vehicles and I paid to unlock them
>P-pay 2 win!

Same fucking concept applies. Paying to skip a grind isn't winning. You still need to git gud. Paying to get something which lets you win by pressing okay is Pay 2 win.

>>157269680
Four year old bait, fuck off nerd.

>>157269680
thats fucking stupid

>>157269680
>Paying to get something which lets you win by pressing okay is Pay 2 win.
Paying for advantages is pay2win. Higher equipment tiers are advantages.

>>157269150
well if they actually pull through with the fancy holo displays showing ship status and crew locations then theres one of those in the flight deck where someone can manage.

drake is too functionality based to have someone not actually performing a task. and really for this game i dont see there being much of a "Command" position in things smaller than polaris, just pilot talking up to higher and down to crew.

>>157269150
>waah cat cheap and shit

That Polaris pilot seat probably cost more than an entire shitterpillar.

>>157269483
I didn't draw this, go ask a drawfag somewhere

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>>157269483
>isnt anything like the commercial video they released
Did we watch the same video? The only Retaliator 'commercial video' they ever did was basically just a collection of interior/exterior shots.
>polaris is way better
It's not even in the game yet and there's nothing to bomb, so any assumptions about the Retaliators performance based on its current state are entirely pointless. Plus the QA specifically mentions that running a Polaris is supposed to be very expensive.
>and has bigger and more torps
The Polaris brochure listed S6 torpedos, the Retaliator has S9 mounts. Plus we have no idea how slow/fast the Polaris autoloader is and what kind of damage disparity missile/torpedo sizes have when they're both working and properly balanced.

>>157269150
Isn't the command module of the Caterpillar supposed to be its own individual ship that can detach from the main body?

>>157269827
>>157269851
>Paying for advantages is pay 2 win

If you can't get shit without paying for it, it's pay2win. If you can get it, it's not. Let's take ED's engineers for example. The only way to get these weapons which melt enemy ships faster than base weapons? You need to pay for them. Pay 2 win.

>>157270141
>If you can't get shit without paying for it, it's pay2win
If you pay to get the advantage to use something that others don't have access to, it's pay2win.

>>157270078
>Did we watch the same video?
It looked beautiful with nice interiors. The one I was in had low quality textures and was underwhelming.

Just goes to show the marketing tech demo stuff was more impressive than what we have in the game.

This shit right here is why you need to agree on a definition of what something is before you try to decide whether a game fits that definition.

>>157270247
>That others don't have access to

Their access to it is irrelevant. Their capability to get access to it is what is. If they can't get it, it's pay 2 win. If they can, it's not. What difference does it make between some faggot that grinded for a thousand hours and some faggot that got it in his first hour? Especially in games that require skill to actually succeed, I'm willing to be the faggot that grinded for a thousand hours to get something will be the one winning.

So, suddenly it's no longer pay 2 win, it's pay 2 lose.

>>157270413
Nah. If you give an imaginative retard enough energy he will rationalize anything.

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>>157270115
yes, which is why it's doubly offensive to me that it's weak shit. this is the original design and it was pretty based, especially keep in mind that half of it is missing due to cutaway; there were four seats in the command area. what we have now is a narrow hallways with -literally, according to lore and assets- a Cutlass pilot/copilot seat block at the end of it.

>>157269150
>proper bridge
Fuck that gay ass useless captain's chair shit.

>>157270520
>Their access to it is irrelevant.
It's unfair in a PVP situation. Unfairness, and contrary to Chris Robert's kickstarter promises.

>2 people enter a pistol duel.
>A rich person and a poor person.
>The rich person says to the judge "I will give you $10,000 if you let me start the duel facing my opponent"
>The judge agrees
>Spectator A says "Hey that isn't fair, he's paying to be able to kill the guy faster"
>Spectator B says "Shut up, retard. The opponent is irrelevant. He can turn eventually anyway. He has access to turning to shoot, it's just a shortcut."

Guess who won the duel? Inb4 you try rationalizing your wrong opinion and say that the poor person got gud and beat the rich person.

>>157270374
>It looked beautiful
So you're telling me a gamedev marketing video looks better than actual gameplay? Who would have guessed?
>nice interiors
The only thing they don't show in that video is how retarded the interior layout is. Apart from that it looks exactly the same as the ingame version.

>>157270903
>useless
>not wanting to be looking over your crew's shoulder so they don't do any stupid shit with your ship, and can tell them what to do via proximity voip rather than typing in a chat window

>>157270918
>Implying your outrageously specific gun duel in your favor is a good analogy

This is why you retards and your pay 2 win crying can't ever be taken seriously. Not only do you not know what pay 2 win is, you also make shitty situational analogies that fit your agenda because LOLPAY2WIN. Here, let me fix your shitty analogy

>2 people enter a duel
>A rich person and a poor person
>Rich person gets permission from the judge to be 50 yards away behind a barrel with a sniper rifle that he just bought
>Poor person is not behind cover with his weapon he spent time making himself, however there is cover to his sides that he can access quickly

You want real pay 2 win in this shitty analogy, it would be the rich faggot getting a nuke that he fires from the safety of his exclusive airship that the poor person can't make or acquire in any way possible.

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>>157271062
I'd rather be doing something constructive on the ship than act like a busy body managerial tool.

>>157271509
>not know what pay 2 win is
I do. Paying to get an advantage over other people. Even in games where it can take hundreds or thousands of hours to get the item (usually in a restricted form) that the wallet warrior has.

Instead of getting mad that you now support pay2win, just accept it.

>>157269680
>be a retard
>buy high end vehicle
>still a retard

>be a normal person
>buy high end vehicle
>now performing better against a normal person in a low tier behicle

>>157271509
>this shitty analogy
I know, try again.

>>157271638
>I do

You've demonstrated in about 5 posts that you very clearly haven't had any idea what pay 2 win is, despite me giving you about a clear and concise example of what pay 2 win is with ED and even War Thunder.

>>157271650
>Be normal person
>Grind and get item
>Be normal person
>Buy item
>WAHH WHY AM I BEING BEATEN I BOUGHT THIS ITEM I SHOULD BE WINNING WAHH

opened the thread to talk about star citizen
instead, retards are arguing about pay2win

>killme.jpg

>>157271863
You didn't give me a clear example. Your example was giving someone a sniper rifle and cover, and someone else a shitty weapon in the open and saying it's not pay2win because the person can just run to cover. That's a stupid example.

You've also demonstrated that you have no idea what pay2win is, since you will only accept an example where the user has some ridiculous advantage such as nuclear weapons and invincibility, but anything less than that doesn't count.

This tells me you've probably got quite a few thousand in Star Citizen including mid-sized ships, including a Polaris and possibly an Idris but you don't see it as a problem because you tell yourself that a normal player can buy an Idris in a week by casual play so your advantages don't count.

>>157271863
you are literally stupid
Not once has anyone in this thread said something similar to the scenario you are presenting
you are literally arguing against yourself

>>157272104
>With ED and War Thunder
>Hurr your example of the gun is wrong!

So not only do you not know what Pay2win is, you also are a retard that has an elementary understanding of the english language.

>This tells me you probably have

I have a Titan nigger. How mad are you?

>>157272001
can't talk about a game that doesn't exist

>>157272221
>How mad are you?
Not mad at all since you've lost the argument and bought a ship which has zero appeal to me.

Imagine playing Warthunder and starting in your little bi-plane, and then a US Korean war jet flew at you at 10x your speed and blasted you out of the sky with its huge guns.

>not pay2win because i can spend 3 years grinding to buy it!

Is this argument really happening or is there some meta commentary going on that I'm not presently aware of?

>>157272528
p sure it's b8-counterb8

>>157272528
Don't disturb them or they won't mate

>>157272528
>Is this argument really happening
He just needs to accept that it's pay2win. I don't mind if you introduce another subject.

>>157272394
>Since you lost the argument

I can't lose something I'm correct about.

>imagine playing War Thunder and starting in your little bi plane

People take out Bi planes against F2 sabres and win constantly. Here, let me make this even easier for you to understand. If ED let you buy a cutter outright, it would be irrelevant because there are people in cheap Eagles that murder Cutters for fun. Are you one of those retards that thinks someone who spent ten thousand dollars on an Idris is going to be unstoppable? You sound like one of those retards with every post.

>>157272698
It IS pay to win. And this is coming from the guy who spend a good chunk of money on this.

>>157269237
>p2w in SC

i don't get this meme

how do you win in the PU?

>>157272737
Pay2win is having an advantage over another person who hasn't paid for the same advantage. It's discriminatory.

You are trying to imply that people who pay for things are inherently stupid and therefore the advantages won't count for anything and that the people who don't pay are smart and will beat them.

>>157272805
>It IS pay to win
Yeah I know, that's how this conversation started.

>>157272862
>how do you win in the PU?
By having bigger ships with a lot more hitpoints, weapons, shield sizes and active crew to shoot your turrets at the enemy. Better suitability, fewer deaths, more kills, etc.

>>157272862
obviously not winning as an end goal
winning in the sense that while a non p2w player is slowly climbing up his way into better ships and end game, a p2w guy will already be going on high level missions and profiting a lot more

>>157272737

>win constantly

No they don't. They're a waste of a team slot.

t. F2 Sabre pilot

>2020 olympics
>100m sprint final
>the runners get on their starting blocks
>some guy walks half way up the track and gets a 50m headstart advantage
>the crowd look around puzzled
>the announcer says "don't worry everyone, this is normal now. this person paid for an advantage over other people so he'd reach the finish line faster. it's still fair because the other runners are allowed to do it too but they haven't so gg get gud"

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Do you faggots still buy into this mess after that disasterous citizencon? What are you doing with your lifes and money.

>>157273009
>Pay 2 win is having an advantage

So again, someone with an Idris that gets raped by a gang of Auroras, what then? Let's downsize. A guy who bought a constellation gets killed by a guy who bought an Aurora LN. What then?

>>157273138
Sabres literally can't touch Biplanes because of their capability to turn on a dime.

t. CL-13 pilot and Mig 15bis pilot that spent a match trying to kill one.

>>157273204
Yes p2w is unfair but is either that or:
-No game
-Paid subscriptions

They gotta get the donation money from someone and guess what, even whales will not pay thousands of dollars for nothing in return.

>>157273206
nice file rename

>>157273273

>German jet pilots

Suddenly it becomes clear.

>>157273063
So how does other people having stuff affect you in any way? There'll be NPCs flying around with the same "p2w" ships from the start, do you want them to start with an Aurora as well?

Paying for an advantage doesn't mean you will win. That's not the argument. It's that you are still getting an advantage over others, so it's pay2win. If you're skilled or not is irrelevant to the advantage. Both skilled and unskilled alike have the ability to buy the advantage.

>>157273360
>it becomes clear

You F2 pilots are shitters either way. The whiniest bunch of cunts I've ever met in a game.

>>157273273

>So again, someone with an Idris that gets raped by a gang of Auroras, what then? Let's downsize. A guy who bought a constellation gets killed by a guy who bought an Aurora LN

But it doesnt work like that you literal mongoloid.

why not 100 idrises vs 100 auroras?
why not an average skill constellation pilot vs an average skill aurora pilot?

>>157273523

and German players drag down Russian teams with their mindnumbing incompetence

also your buying plane analogy sucks dick because it isn't thr grind for the plane itself that sucks, it's the soul crushing module grind to make your plane actually competitive

>>157273327
This is pretty accurate tbqh desu.

Also does anyone know if you can lock your gimbal cursor or hide it? I'm trying to used fixed weapons and I'd rather just have the lead square reticle.

>>157273465
When did i say it affected me? If you want to buy the same game packages as i did, go right ahead.
If you want to earn it in game go ahead too i dont care. I realize p2w is unfair but it is a reality you gotta live with. Games need founding as i said in here >>157273327

>>157273741
yes. check keybinds. used to be right alt or someshit. should be "gimbal lock". probably changed to somethign else with new keybinds.

>>157273838
Thank you my dude.

>>157273741
Go in the hangar and take the gimbal off so you can use a weapon one size up

>>157273009
>>157273063
yeah, but the game is going to be instanced. honestly, there's a good chance you can go roam around and not worry about running into some guy in an idris.

I don't see what everyones problem with SC "P2W" is.

>>157273961
I'm talking about the big circle that appears in the middle of your HUD. I think there's a square (gun box), a bigger square with rounded edges (ship direction box) and a circle that would be where the gimbal weapons shoot at.

But since I'm not using them I don't want to see it, it still appears.

This >>157273838 might work, I'll try it.

>>157273698
>And German players

Please. It's not the Kraut Fagots that are constantly the first to die. It's the Slav Fagots that can never stay alive to the end. In two years I can count on my fingers the amount of times they stayed alive to the end of a match.

>>157273663
>100 Idrises vs 100 Auroras

Even better. Those Auroras would gang rape those Idrises. Especially if we're using your pay to avoid grind definition. Those people pay to avoid the grind, now they have a ship they can't crew, they can't pilot, they have no experience with.

>Why not an average skill constellation pilot

A constellation won't even able to able to touch that Aurora LN pilot.

>>157274058
Well, pay2win just became so widespread and commonplace that everyone just accepted it. It's interesting to me. When you make someone invested in the game, and tweak it so that they will feel like they need/want to pay more for something better.

>>157274163
>Those 100 Auroras would gang rape those 100 Idrises
>A constellation won't even able to able to touch that Aurora LN pilot

wew, that was easy
No point to even keep arguing with you

So we have procedurally generated planets now. Weren't asteroids supposed to be procedurally generated? Have we seen even a little bit of that, or mining in general, that wasn't just theory?

>>157274362
>Wew that was easy

Yeah, glad you agree with me finally. Sucks being a retard that thinks some faggot that started out with an Idris is going to rule the universe and not be giant easy pirate bait.

>>157274163
Sabre vs Aurora
Equal skill

How is the Sabre pilot not paying to win exactly?

>>157274362
Couldn't those Idrises just deploy 300 hornets to deal with the Auroras? The hanger is a core feature of the ship after all.

>>157274524
at this point i think he is just making shit up
the auto turrets alone in the idris would be able to take care of the auroras

>>157274510
he can't haul cargo

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>somehow every "muh p2w" argument is based entirely on the assumption that the game only consists of PvP encounters while completely ignoring the fact that 90% of the population is NPCs that will be flying "p2w" ships

>>157274507
>being a retard that thinks some faggot that started out with an Idris is going to rule the universe and not be giant easy pirate bait

Literally never said that. You are mostly arguing with you self and making up all kind of scenarios to piss yourself up
as i said here>>157272145

>>157274510
>specialized single seat fighter vs multi-role ship

The Sabre probably should have an advantage in that fight regardless of ship price

>>157274752
>be non retarded guy in aurora
>fight npc sabre
>get my ass handed to me

>be non retarded guy in p2w sabre
>find npc sabre
>take him out with a few scratches

still p2w

>>157274510
>Sabre vs Aurora
>Equal skill

What is the skill level then? Beginners that don't know what the fuck they're doing? Either one can win. This has been demonstrated numerous times in the current PU. Two veterans that have been playing for a long time and know what they're doing? Well, then I would question why an Aurora is facing a Sabre other than the Aurora wanting to prove something.

>>157274691
Lol, no they wouldn't. The Auroras would board that Idris and rape that NPC crew so fast.

>>157274804
>Making up scenarios

You mean like the gun duel scenario :^)

LMAO
>Lol, no they wouldn't. The Auroras would board that Idris and rape that NPC crew so fast.

alright man, go hunt an idrises with your auroa

>You mean like the gun duel scenario

Literally dont know what you are talking about

>>157274905
>be non retarded guy in aurora
>fight npc sabre

mutually exclusive

>>157275186
Ok lets put it this way;
>p2w guys has a sabre and wants to take on a mission where he will have to fight other sabre. the pay is bretty good and the mission is duable
>non p2w guy wants to do the same mission but he cant because he has to defeat a sabre so he has to settle for lower tier missions with shittier rewards

still p2w, even against npcs

>>157275164
So far what I've gotten from all your posts is that you're actually an Idris owner that is terrified that the thousand dollars he spent is going to be taken away from him the moment the game is fully live, and you've convinced yourself that because you paid that thousand dollars or so, it will be impossible for anyone to forcefully take it away.

You better keep that Idris docked forever boy, because there will be plenty of pirates coming to snatch it from you in their dinky little throwaway ships

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>Everyone arguing over best rooty tooty point and shooty spaceships
>all i care about is running goods and exploring

>>157275423
>a tank can destroy a car

fucking tank owners always so stubborn

Also, i do not own an idiris. I wish i did but sadly i dont.

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>>157275481
I can't wait to haul homes to Hades in a Hull. So hyped.

>>157275678
But we're not talking about tanks and cars, we're talking about ships which are all combat capable and all possess weaponry which are effective against each other. I mean for fuck sake, when I first started playing in my Aurora LN, I fought a constellation. After about three minutes I killed him. I was also able to kill his Gladius buddy in that Aurora.

I miss that Aurora and sometimes regret upgrading to the Titan.

>>157275896
>an aurora
>effective weaponry against an idris

okay

>>157274510
Sabre vs any Aurora
in a competition to haul cargo.

Do you see how flawed your argument is? Is the Aurora pay to win now?

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169th for best ship

I wonder what a Khartu will even do

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Does this mean you could land a Polaris inside a Bengal?
Could you put a Dragonfly inside a Cutlass, inside a Polaris, inside a Bengal for space turducken?

>>157275423
You do understand that you cannot board a moving ship, the Aurora and similar sized craft will be literally incapable of harming an Idris, and Idris carries enough guns to pop several single ships simultaneously in addition to a complement of self contained escort fighters.

>>157275996
>aurora vs ursa
>in a who has more wheels competition

i see your point, anon

>>157276134
Bengal has two floors, there's not quite that much room
The other three you could do though

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>>157275350

>Aurora guy does cargo missions
>buys sabre
>does combat misson

If your definition of p2w includes the ability to pay to skip to content you prefer, or to have to reduce the amount of time you need to spend in game to support the kind of gameplay you prefer then yes, this is p2w.

This was stated by CR himself, years ago.

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>>157276106
Be a collectors item.

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>>157276219
>Greycat vs Ursa
Fucking Pay2Win.

>>157276302
>have glaive and khartu

Fuck practicality

>>157276173
>Self contained escort fighters

Who is going to crew them? And who is going to crew the ship? I sincerely doubt NPCs on the 'ground' are going to pose any threat to players. And I know for a fact that current NPC pilots don't pose any threats to me.

>Literally incapable

Let's quote RSI

>While they lack the heavy armor and the capital weaponry of a cruiser, frigates are more maneuverable and are highly configurable.

So they're lacking the armor of even bigger ships. The Idris is still a JPG. As far as we know, an Aurora can shoot at it all day and kill it. I doubt an Aurora will want to destroy it, but rather take it over. Which should be no issue for someone that against a bunch of brain dead NPCs and a captain which just bought it thanks to mommy's credit card

>>157276296
>Aurora guy does cargo missions
>Meanwhile sabre does sabre missions
>By the time aurora guy affords a sarbre, sabre guy is already a few tiers ahead, earning more

Still p2w.

>skip to content you prefer
The thing is, content you prefer is almost always going to be content that is more rewarding
for instance, 2 players who want to be space truckers
one of them tarts with the aurora
the other starts with a hull-c

yes, the p2w guy skipped early missions but he also skipped towards more rewarding content

>>157276263
Damn, there goes the largest piece of my matryoshka doll.

>>157276573
Isnt space trucking a lot more profitable in ED than combat? What if its a similar situation?

Does any of this even matter? Its how the game is continuing to get funded?

>>157276296
>4) NO Pay2Win - You should never be able to buy anything with real money that you can't buy with in game credits.

Somebody needs to sit Chris down and explain to him that what people were whining about wasn't golden guns.

>>157277293
Maybe he doesnt consider p2w-faster as p2w

>It does mean, however, that you don’t deploy or use capital ships, even corvettes, as casually as you would an Aurora, Starfarer, or other personal-scale ship where you can tool around space on a whim and cover your operating expenses with casual profits.

>>157265408
Thanks senpai

>>157272862
People who are min-maxing tryhards feel like it is P2W even though the SC PU is not going to be an arena game. The only "winning" you do in the PU if you aren't someone that aims for 1st on leaderboards/autistic min-maxing is having a fun time

>>157276520
Until you have Crippled it, all the pilot has to do to prevent you from boarding is keep moving.

The Idris's shields will recharge faster than several auroras can damage them. Its not the armor that will stop you, its the shield generators which the Idris has plenty of. Idris is not still a Jpeg, its flyable, just not released yet.

NPC pilots are not a threat to you now because they NPC pilots in PU and AC are all set to Babby mode, CIG has said repeatedly that the actual Combat AI for starfighters is already made, but not released because they want it to be shown off in SQ42 not the PU/AC testbed. NPC skill will be a sliding, trainable scale, Long term NPC turret gunners will be a valid threat. As for Pilots, I dont think NPC minion pilots will exist but I cant imagine it being uncommon for fighter pilots looking to make money to just attach themselves to an Idris on a Semi permanent basis.

But all these bigger points are moot, like I said at the top, all the Idris Captain has to do to break your headcannon scenario is keep flying in a straight line at low speed. Your s2 lasers will never chew through his shields, and as long as his shields are up you are powerless to board.

>>157276406
>have Banu MM
I hope it'll be better than the Hull C at least

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>>157277571
>Idris keeps moving forever
>Runs out of fuel
>Board and murder everyone on board

>It's the shield generators

I do need a citation here. Lots of things on the stats page say to be determined, such as shields, and your headcanon isn't the be all end all either.

>>157273273
>t. CL-13
You naziboo shitters are just too garbage to get a kill

>>157276573
>By the time aurora guy affords a sarbre, sabre guy is already a few tiers ahead, earning more

It's not a race to clear content like WOW or POE, or even about earning the most money, unless the player enjoys earning money the most. Just because someone has entered the realm of a kind of content after another person doesn't mean they're going to be shut out from it, or enjoy it any less.

After a while, the rate of earning money will depend on their relative skill level anyway.

>The thing is, content you prefer is almost always going to be content that is more rewarding

Exactly. Unless you mean earning more money.

>yes, the p2w guy skipped early missions but he also skipped towards more rewarding content

Yes, and when the Aurora guy gets to the content he prefers, he can enjoy it in the same way, like if he bought a Sabre with his earnings and did the combat missions he enjoys more instead.

He will always be "behind" the player that started with a Sabre in terms of gameplay time spent doing things they enjoy the most, but that's it. The same content is available to the both of them.

>>157277476
a lot of people consider having more money than others as win, thus buying more capable ships that allow you to make more money from the get go can be consider p2w
some people consider reaching certain high end ships winning, that means that people who bought them with irl money are p2w

it really comes down to, if it gives you an advantage that you would otherwise not have without expensing $ then it is p2w

>>157277631
>melted Banu Shekelman for Polaris
Not sure if that was a good idea. I still can't decide whether or not I like the BMM aesthetics.

>>157274716
Neither can the aurora without losing what little agility it has

>winning in a game about having space adventures

I don't know, even if we're talking about occasion of PvP combat, you don't have to engage, you can fuck off via QT, you can travel with other people, you can call for help via emergency channels, there are plenty of options to counter pirates and griefers. I don't see lack of people willing to help out newbies with auroras so far. Unless you want to go into known dangerous places without backup, then you really have only yourself to blame.

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>>157277949
>BMM aesthetics.
It's basically Vanduul aesthetics, but (literally) less edgy.

>>157277293
He means post release I think
Hopefully 6 months to a year after release this filthy method of financing is irrelevant

>>157277886
>Watched a match in which a team of Burger F2 shitters literally plowed into the ground trying to kill a Po-2

There's a reason the burgers have the most undertiered, over-performing planes in the game.

>>157277410
Nah people are telling me they're going to solo fly their Polaris with NPC crew
They can't possibly be wrong :^)

>>157278218
I wonder what the knife fetish capital ships look like now. I remember them mentioning that most of them have since been changed or axed a few months ago.

>>157277927
>aurora player will ALWAYS be "behind" in terms of gameplay time spent doing things they enjoy the most

And also money, reputation, access to high end content. But if you dont consider that p2w then i guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

>>157277631
It's an alternative set up
You better believe a C will bring in a better profit if not attacked

>>157278364
>Nah people are telling me they're going to solo fly their Polaris with NPC crew

who is telling you that?

>>157278553
Right here when the topic comes up

>>157278442
>And also money,

Unless you also buy a fuckton of UEE credits, you start with same amount as everybody else

>reputation,

There is no reputation. You either have a reputation of regular citizen or a criminal, depending on your actions. If you mean just among players, then you'll have a reputation of P2W faggot and a juicy target.

>access to high end content

What the fuck would that be, exactly?

>>157278065
>you don't have to engage, you can fuck off via QT

Until 3.3's interdiction mechanics

>>157278442
>A good Aurora pilot can't earn good money or access dangerous areas or survive them

Wew

>>157278776
Depending on how mechanics are done, really. They may be a way to counteract it, or avoid entirely. I don't imagine CIG would make it so interdiction will work perfectly 100% of the time and not involve any skill.

>>157278776
they said early on there would be no stasis webbers or warp scramblers.

Interdiction means setting up in or near QT pois or obstacles and jumping people as as they drop out of QT, thus far theyve said nothing about being able to prevent people from jumping out of combat beside physical and EM damage to their engines.

This isnt EVE, its an FPS, if you want to stop something from running you have to shoot it in the legs.

I hope the NPC pirates get harder to defeat, they are pretty much useless right now and way too easy to kill. I can't get a good framerate either, the hardest part is accelerating slightly and not having enough time to react to a pirate that's right in front of my ship so I end up bouncing off it and damaging myself.

As long as an Aurora pilot can blow up 2 pirates when you reach one of the locations in the PU they won't have a problem needing backup.

I want to see better A.I. but the huge improvement of server/engine performance that they want, otherwise they will be too hard to defeat while you lag all around them in combat.

>>157279034
Pretty sure it's the same placeholder AI that's been there since first iteration of Arena Commander. Hopefully CIG will change it by 3.0, they got to have been working on something better for SQ42

>>157278724
>There is no reputation

But there is, annon, and it passes from you to your next on kin when you die.

>Unless you also buy a fuckton of UEE credits

Who is stopping people from stock piling UEE credits again???? I can probably get a good million from here till the game is released. P-2-W

>access to high end content

Going on higher level missions that require beefier ships/more advanced ships?

>>157278823
yes a good aurora pilot will be able to access dangerous areas and survive them

the same good pilot would do MUCH better if he bought a sabre with irl money

P-2-W

>>157279034
>Not having enough to time to react.
Slow down, stop jousting like a newfag. you should be sliding sideways literally all the time in combat unless your target is fleeing in a straight line and has no turrets.

Try decoupling and using free movement to move even more erratically if you want to actually git gud.

NPC ai is garbage right now becasue blaance is also garbage and if the NPCs were actually set to "kinda dangerous" when two actual fighters spawned on a comm array people in the current shit tier ships would get torn apart.

Why is pay to win bad? There are good aspects to it as well.

>>157279259
>If he bought a sabre

What's stopping him from earning credits to get that Sabre? Come on Anon, even Roberts himself agrees with me. You're fighting a losing battle.

>>157279409


I think it is bad because it makes the game unfair for people who cant afford higher end packages. However it is also necessary to fund the game.

>>157278887
It could easily just be that you mind your own business trying to get the credits to buy that CO multicrew ship, by doing the same old boring route through medium-low risk systems and the NPC pirates are easy enough to avoid, then pop, you're fucked because LTI saberfag and his hornetnigger boyfriend felt like killing some shit and you happened to cross their path.

As a result you lose the fruits of the last 70 minutes of grind

>>157279437
>What's stopping him from earning credits to get that Sabre?

That is beyond the point.
Assume he does want to earn it in game. A similarly skilled player that does not want to earn it in game and will instead buy it with irl money WILL be ahead of the guy who earned it in game. Thus p2w.

>>157279160
>
But there is, annon, and it passes from you to your next on kin when you die.

No, your possessions, wealth and debts do. Passing on reputation would be retarded. It would be like original fucking sin.

>Who is stopping people from stock piling UEE credits again???? I can probably get a good million from here till the game is released. P-2-W

CIG will. They said ability to buy credits will be limited.

>Going on higher level missions that require beefier ships/more advanced ships?

Get together with others, then. The reward for missions are credits, so you just split with with your partner.

It seems you're thinking in a way of MMORPG, but this is not an RPG. Buying an expensive ship doesn't mean you bought experience or a level.

Is wow's level boost p2w?

>>157279525
Its a space simulator, life isnt fair, this creates an accurate simulation of space in life. On top of everyone not having the same ship at the beginning.

You need that divide. The pompous rich kid who has toys because of daddy but doesnt have the skill or experience to back it up. The group of people that gets annoyed with his fortune and decides to do less than reputable things.

The social aspect of the game builds itself to an extent with pay to win. And the game gets funded. I personally look forward to upsetting the whales when the game launches.

>>157279739

>Passing on reputation would be retarded.

Look it up. That is how it is going to work.

>CIG will. They said ability to buy credits will be limited.

20k limit per 24 hours. Same as today. People could literally start stock piling now. In fact i assure you someone somewhere already is. Game is p-2-w and not even fully out yet.

>The reward for missions are credits, so you just split with with your partner.

Meanwhile, the p2w guy will be soloing the mission and keeping the rewards all for himself.

>>157279160

>Who is stopping people from stock piling UEE credits again???? I can probably get a good million from here till the game is released. P-2-W


https://robertsspaceindustries.com/faq/united-earth-credits

Are there limits to the amount of UEC I can obtain or stockpile?

In order to regulate the economy, the Central Core Bank has imposed restrictions on acquiring and stockpiling UEC. Each account can obtain a maximum of 25,000 UEC per 24 hour period, and can hold a maximum of 150,000 UEC on account in your ledger at any time. Buying items with UEC does reduce your ledger balance, and does not count towards the maximum UEC cap. These restrictions may be modified at the order of the CCB in the future when additional gameplay options become available.

fag

>>157279670
My point is, we have no information yet on how exactly interdiction will work. Maybe you're right anon, maybe not. Time will tell.

>>157279726
>He'll be ahead

Except he won't be, because he'll be a retard with a sabre.

>Pay 2 Win: You should never be able to buy anything with real money that you can't buy with in game credits -Chris Roberts

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Well, I got a Polaris...

Tfw I look at my total spent for an unreleased video game.

>>157280016
Lets see, at least 2 years until sc comes out. that is 730 days. if u buy credits once a week that is around 104 credit packages or 2.6m UEC starting money.
Definitely not possible to stock pile. And thats not counting UEC you could buy after release.

>>157279981
>Look it up. That is how it is going to work.
Even if so, reputation is not based on how many credits you have or how expensive your ship is, it is based on what you do in the game. There is no way to buy a reputation, this is the most retarded of your arguments, really.

>20k limit per 24 hours

And 150k total. You literally can't buy more than that.

>Meanwhile, the p2w guy will be soloing the mission and keeping the rewards all for himself.

Yeah, because all missions require to only use ships, and never to EVA and never to travel on land, where you won't have access to your fancy ship and can get fucked easily by the same aurora owner. Sure.

>>157280136
>Except he won't be, because he'll be a retard with a sabre.

wew such an opinionated little gurl :]
qt
post re

>>157279525
>unfair
the real question is why are people such little bitches?

"P2W" ships will have little to no influence on poorfags gameplay other than making poorfags butthurt shits.

>>157280409
This

>>157280328
You know damn right i wasnt talking about reputation as in real life reputation. I was talking about the numeric value assigned to you by different organizations in game.

>And 150k total. You literally can't buy more than that.

Even if it was 10k, it would still be an advantage that you bought with irl money.

>Yeah, because all missions require to only use ships, and never to EVA and never to travel on land, where you won't have access to your fancy ship and can get fucked easily by the same aurora owner. Sure.

I didnt say all missions require you to use your ship. It literally only needs to be a few missions where the ship you bought with irl money gives you an advantage for the game to be classified as p2w

>>157279670
>>157280037
My point in pointing out the lack thus far of any sort of push button "tackling" mechanics is that if such things exist the "sabrefag and hornetnigger" will not just happen but be very very common.

Rabbiting has to be an option because if its is not, if there is some artificial, indirect means to prevent someone from running then the game will become a simple question of combat power. And the people who pick non combat or multirole ships will essentially be forced out of gameplay by the "psychotic murder griefer" subset of players that do exist and will very certainly be playing star citizen.

You don't want to disallow the the "killer" gameplay either but it should not be made simplistic or easy, he should have to know how to prevent someone from fleeing and skillfully and rapidly execute that plan to prevent someone from just bolting.

Such mechanics is stuff like path obstruction, get in close and physicall keep your ships infront of the craft you want to disable, this prevents him from QTing because the nav system wont jump through an obstacle.

Specific targeting of propulsion with distortion or ordinary weapons.

Dropping Interdiction sphere type deployables that simulate an obstruction and force a course change.

on and on, but what I sincerely doubt there will be is any sort of button prevent ability that instantly prevent people from fleeing, because just like in DayZ most of the time fleeing is going to be the default sensible response to a confrontation.

>>157280409
As the guy who wrote >>157279525 and >>157280630
I don't think p2w is a big deal. I myself own over 3.5k worth of ships. My beef is with people refusing to accept that it is p2w such as this faggot >>157280328

>>157280753
Is wow's level boost p2w?

>>157280865
I dont know. I have never played wow.

>>157280753
Can it be accessed in game without having to pay? Yes? That's it's not pay 2 win. If you want to call it pay 2 not grind, go ahead. Nobody will argue with you

>>157280964
I too look forward to grinding five thousand hours for my Polaris.

>>157280964
Ok i will call it pay 2 not grind
but pay 2 not grind is still pay 2 advantage

>>157280753
You see, bottom line, to be P2W the game requires defined winning conditions, and SC doesn't have any. It has game mechanics that you can play with. You pregress in the game is entirely defined by you and you alone. It may be the number in your UEE bank account, it may be the ship you own, the number of pirates you kill, everybody will be playing for different reasons. Your "advantages" are entirely in your own head, nobody else will give a fuck about ships you bought.

>>157281053
>pay 2 advantage

Sure, if you consider shitters in expensive ships as having an advantage. If I give some faggot a twelve thousand dollar guitar he's not going to instantly be the next McCartney or Hendrix.

>>157281179
>nobody else will give a fuck about ships you bought
except for the people who want the same ship but have to grind for days to get it

but alright. ill settle for calling it pay 2 advantage

>>157281179
*Your progress

>>157281240
flawed argument
same as good aurora pilot vs retarded sabre pilot

>>157281243
There's a level of accomplishment you feel from earning something you've wanted for quite some time. If you can just buy it outright it isn't all that special but if you've spent days working to obtain it then it has that little extra emotional attachment.

>>157281243
>searching "pay 2 advantage" gives no gaming related result

Why don't just admit you're wrong, instead of coining phrases and definition that no one use?

>>157281049
You wont, your org will grind 40 hours each to buy and fit one because it is an org ship to be used by an org.

You're planning to use the heavily crew ship as its intended right? You're not just a tismwhale crying that your solo capship will take you a long time to get?

>>157281243
>except for the people who want the same ship but have to grind for days to get it

They won't give a fuck about you or what you paid for those ships, trust me. They will work for their stuff and pay you no mind. Unless they know you directly, there is no reason to give a fuck. Are you perpetually butthurt about how some people are born into vast amount of wealth too? get over yourself.

>>157281334
>Flawed argument

But it's not :^)

>Give one beginner a Mexican Strat
>Give another beginner a four hundred thousand dollar Strat Prototype
>Neither one makes better music than the other because they're both shitty beginners and don't know how to play

ok then pay to not grind
not grinding=gives you an advantage

>>157281404
there may also be a level of accomplishment for the people who bought high end ships and are thrilled to see them and flight them on day one?

>>157281418
Oh, so I can't access all the ships. I see.

>>157281428
>They won't give a fuck about you or what you paid for those ships, trust me

well i am glad you already know how everybody thinks. it is not like there are already threads on the official forums complaining about the game being p2w

>Are you perpetually butthurt about how some people are born into vast amount of wealth too?

As i said before, i own over 3.5k worth of ships. I literally purchased 3 polaris on friday. so no, i am not butthurt

>>157281625
Yeah, and they are both end up feeling accomplished and satisfied in the end, who the fuck won then? Who lost?

>>157281732
>it is not like there are already threads on the official forums complaining about the game being p2w

Yeah, and those threads are filled with faggots like you.

>As i said before, i own over 3.5k worth of ships. I literally purchased 3 polaris on friday. so no, i am not butthurt

Ah, so you want others to be butthurt about you, to boost your own ego, gotcha.

So is there like a beginners pastebin for star citizen or anything. Bought the mustang package and well, I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do to get started here

>>157282116
>Ah, so you want others to be butthurt about you, to boost your own ego, gotcha.

not at all
i am just saying that buying ships or credits with real life money does give you an advantage
weather is p2w or p2 not grind or whatever, that is anyones opinion

>>157281732
>3 polaris
Just wondering, why? More power to you if you have that kinda money though.

>>157282262
Poor spending habits.

>>157281763
>by the time the non p2w guy gets to buy a high end ship, the p2w guy who bought a high end ship will already have a second one
so the p2w guy got the feeling twice while the non p2w guy only got the feeling once

>>157282252
It allows you to skip some of the content, that's it. It's basically the same deal with wow's level boost, and I've never heard anyone say that's p2w.

>>157282221
Install and try practice flight and vanduul swarm in the drone sim?

There used to be a tutorial for flight but they took that out, so you'll have to check all your keybinds yourself

>>157282221
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/citizen-spotlight/1143-Start-Here-Star-Citizen-New-Player-Tutorial

Though it's a year old, it's still pretty accurate

>>157282358
>wow's level boost, and I've never heard anyone say that's p2w.
A quick google search reveals the opposite. and ive never played wow

>>157281732
>>157282310
Wait you aren't reselling them later?

>>157282221
did you even read the op, there is a faq

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>>157282221
ok shit, I found a ship I can get into, accidentally sat in a passenger seat and now I can't get up pls send help

>>157282310
Fare enough. I drew the line a while back and will only buy ships on store credit now.

>>157282571
I get stuck in ships all the fucking time. Welcome to Star Citizen i guess.

>>157282534
2 of them yes haha. originally i wanted to resell all but i may keep one

it all depends on the November sales.

>>157282494
>anyone who knows what they're talking about

Besides, if you don't know about that scheme, I don't think you're knowledgeable enough to comment on the interaction between revenue system and gameplay of a MMO.

>>157282571
you're in for a bumpy ride faggot, look at the keybinds in the menu

>>157282571
hold F instead of tapping

>>157282341
The guy who earned his ship in game will eventually also get the second one. It's not like they are in a race or competition to get more feelings of accomplishments per month. Accomplishments of paying guy does not affect accomplishments of non-paying guy. No harm done to anybody.

I really see no winning condition here.

>>157282534
Is the polaris transferable? I know some ships they lock to people's account.

>>157282571
The only answer is to kill yourself, and since there's permadeath your game account is deleted and you have to buy a new package to play again.

>>157282665
you are right i am not qualified to discuss wow
the boost may or may not be p2w idk

>>157282691
by the time he gets his second ship the other guy will get a third and so on
its more about having an unfair advantage

>>157282494
Not him but he's in the right here, no one will give a fuck if you've boosted your character because you'd be shit in arena or even in raids.
Not knowing half your moves, having no feel for cooldowns, you'd be a fucking laughing stock.

Not sure if it will apply to SC though. Hopefully a while after release ship buying will be gone and none of this will be relevant anyways.

>>157282721
it is giftable yes

>>157282889
UEC buying might still be in, although I fail to see how it would impact individual players significantly, might be different for orgs not that we know how are orgs supposed to compete with each other

>>157282889
Also to consider, do we consider alpha testing the game as p2w? Right now I've gotten so much experience flying that I will destroy newbies when the game finally launches.

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>>157282773
you also lied btw
"wow level boost" returns 13.2m results while "wow level boost p2w" returns 33k.
Most of the results are saying it's not p2w as well.

>>157281707
You can access all the ships you shitposting nigger, but if you try to fly a cap ship solo your ass will rightfully be grass.

>>157282252
>i am just saying that buying ships or credits with real life money does give you an advantage

Again, ships/credits you bought do not affect anybody else's gameplay. There is no "advantage". People play for different reasons, people play different missions. Everybody have opportunity to check out all the same content. Just because you bought a ship, doesn't mean you somehow get a one-up on somebody else. Hell, even in combat people with weaker ships can band together and fuck your shit up, no matter how much real money you spent.

>>157282876
>unfair advantage

Jesus fuck, this is retarded. It's not unfair if your "advantage" does not influence experience of other people.

>>157283012
Nah, there are plenty of people who bought the game way back in 2013, but haven't even downloaded the launcher yet. It's only an advantage if you use it, and it's only 45$ that everybody pay anyway.

>>157283469
You're arguing with shitposters

Soon they'll shitpost about how people that start playing the game when it is released will have an unfair advantage over people who start playing the game a year after release and how that should be balanced out too

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>>157283469
I'm just going by the other anon's definition. Me playing during the alpha, getting experience is an advantage. And I've technically paid for this advantage. So alpha testing is p2w I guess

>>157283703
You are right. I need to snap out of it.

>>157283790
Well, I'd say that's a very thick trolling, but whatever works for you.

>>157282571
>>157282221
ok its me again. I think I'm starting to figure this shit out but can someone explain to me how the fuck you apply graphics settings changes? Its way too fucking bright right now and it doesn't matter what I set the brightness and gamma to it looks the same

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What could we put there?

Off the Top of my head:
>Big fuckhuge STS gun turret.
To give increased punch against targets its own sized and larger
>Superstructure and several smaller turrets
To make it into a pure turretboat.
>EWAR Nerve center and sensor arrays
To make it a command ship.
>Vertical Launch STS Missile Pods
To create a long range fire support platform
>Cargo locking plates
To make it into an armed/armored merchant freighter/blockade runner.

The spot on the ships just sreams "modular equipment socket" to me.

Anyone else? Agree/Disagree? Other possible Modules? It's like the Tallys bays but big enough to actually hold meaningful things.

>>157284615
isnt it a fucking hanger door?

>>157284615
Disposable boarding pods.

>>157284682
It is.
I'm saying if we parted with he hangar and fighter lift, what else could be put in its place.

>>157284615
Porn set, to film porn in space.

>>157284594
Fuck knows, low seems to give you insane bloom atm
I just set mine to a higher setting

>>157284731
Ooh, hadn't thought of that.

Or now that we have Space to ground integration...
>Supplementary barracks
>Orbital drop pod launchers

>>157284731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Dvfs13fck

>>157284803
Speaking of that. You know who HAS to be BTFO right about now? 890Jump owners.
I imagine a LOT of 890s got melted this week.

>>157285054
I'd hope no one was planning to use an 890 in a combat role

>>157278998
They did say however they would be implementing tools to pull people out of QT early

>>157284914
>>157285039
The Polaris can hold a Redeemer, right? It seems viable now after seeing the recent demo.

>>157285132
Clearly you've never been to the RSI forums (which is a good thing, really). They seem to believe that their pleasure yacht doubles as a mil-spec cruiser.

>>157285256
>muh point defense

>>157285132
I remember a lot of talk about people using them as Command and control ships. Mostly though just in terms of costing essentially the same and being of similar size, but you compare one to the other and their operational costs and crew requirement will probably be similar but the level of capability to Polaris offers compare to the gaudy bling of the 890.

Like for the same dosh you can have a Posh apartment in space or a fighter carrying, Torpedo spewing, dakka covered warship.

>>157285256
Do they still think Constellation is a "space superiority platform"?

>>157284831
I'm at very high right now, and the bloom is the same at low. I want to go fly around and shit by my hands are like miniature suns right now, and forget about anything else thats remotely shiny.

>>157285446
I haven't been there in ages, but I'm quite certain that they're still convinced of that. Also Phoenix owners who believe they purchased the ultimate murderboat that just happens to include a hot tub.

>>157285423
Yeah but I'd bet ferrying the 1% in the space yacht will earn more credits

>>157284615
>Vertical Launch STS Missile Pods
Give it ship to planet surface missils. They could call them Harpoons. Players on ground could designate targets. Would be devastating but the long flight times and obvious contrails in the sky would balance them out.

>>157285504
This always happens to me in VFG hangar, but never in rest of the game

>>157285583
the 1% will have their own space yachts

>>157285198
the fit will be VERY close, you can probably land one yes, but how many times will you land it before it clips the tail flips and explodes?
You will almost certainly have to stop the Corvette to land a redeemer unless you have literal wizards flying both craft.

>>157285190
Yeah thats like a warp disruption sphere, which I have no problem with. but once pull you should have the option of navigating past the "obstacle" real or simulated and continuing on your way, and the "pirates' or whatever has that window of opportunity to disable you so that you cant jump.

What I think would be game destroying is if there is the in game equivalent of tire spikes that you could blunder onto with no warning and just be dead/captured robbed with no chance to flee.

Intediction should force pirates to seek a "win" state or disable the target ship for looting and not be a "win" state in and of itself.

The merchant or miner or whatevers win state will always be "escape" and not "fight and win" he's already made his money by mining or trading, the pirates are trying to steal that profit, he should not have to fight and overpower them as a condition for keeping his work. He just needs to get away and it should be easier for him to avoid being robbed pirates than it is for the pirate to rob him, becasue if it is easier to steal than mine there will be no miner and the game will devolve into a deathmatch.

>>157285760
Well whoever they end up hauling
Racers and execs I guess
Although functionally it's just human cargo

>>157285869
so nobody

>>157280245
>can only buy up to 150k
>thinks he's going to buy 2.6m

okay retard

>>157285198
According to the Q&A it can hold a Sabre or anything smaller.

>>157284615
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile_submarine#/media/File:USS_Sam_Rayburn_(SSBN-635)_missile_hatches.jpg

>>157285610
Or they could call them ...... Polaris SLBMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYqeQp9KjAo

>>157285895
Not players no
wtf

>>157286046
Im more thinking of the VLS system on the modern AEGIS missile ships.

More tactical strike missiles less city flattening ICBMs, calls me a git but that might be too much Dakka.

>>157286269
Either or. I just want the closest to a ballistic missile sub, and in an interview with Matt Sherman I can no longer find, he said that the closest we'd get is one of the capital ships. Since the Polaris is the smallest, fastest of that category, unless there's another we've not yet seen or heard of floatin' around, I guess she's it.

>>157285896
>>157283469


1v1 me the 2 of you

>>157286269
I would assume torpedo could function as cruise missile in atmosphere.

>>157286573
no missiles no ram sabre only dying star

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>>157286606
Having the ability to laser designate somehow so allied ships can fire missiles/torpedos at ground targets would be neat.

>>157286606
I Imagine they could fulfill that role as well, but Im talking about a supplementary launcher system, fitted into the hole where the hangar used to be. Not intended as much for direct combat or head to head fighter as it is a Standoff or Fire support weapon. Like Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missile rather than a Harpoon Anti-Shipping Missile.

We have space to ground already very close, we have a all but specifically confirmed player constructables on less inhabited planets we have player homestead and "farming" confirmed.

We are going to have players and orgs claiming and building planetary bases, as such we are going to need ways to attack and defend those bases.

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Neat. MISlancer is looking up a little.

Then again this is Ben and his word is basically 50/50 at being true.

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>>157287080
>3.0 gets delayed a year once CR realizes they don't have dynamic damage states for surface installations