/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

Need modding advice
Running Civ V with Vox Populi, JFD's Culture, and R.E.D. but it crashed, was this RED's fault?

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So much for the Sentinels...

>>157004556
wrong general

>>156846564
What makes those planets unique? Are there only supposed to be two Large Worlds in a system or something?

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>>157004435
>still never worked out how to get Civ II to run
>still miss everything about it
This pain is painful

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>>157004435

Impeccable OP pic.

>>157004435
what is the game to AC's right?

>>157004869
Tor is the homeworld of the Endless and the other one has an endless research station on it.

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>>157004903
>See your post
>Start an online stopwatch
>google "Civilization 2"
>click first result
>download rar
>unpack
>run civ2.exe
>select premade world
>open large world map
>customize options
>pick vikings
>start game
>stop timer

>>157005127

When I made the pic I thought it was call to power, but when I'm looking now I see that the hud is wrong.

All the map features, terrain, improvement and such look like call to power though.
Possibly call to power II and they reused assets heavily.

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>bored out of my mind
>still 11 days until civ 6 comes out


Now would be a real fucking good time to release Heinlein, Paradox.

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So, the AI is pretty shitty in countering the Scourge.

>>157008339
I thought the Scourge was supposed to attack you? Why does it spawn on the other side of the galaxy?

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>>157008629
From the wiki
>The arrival does not necessarily occur on the player’s side of the galaxy.
It has to spawn in the edge of the Galaxy.

Apparently after you bombard these planets they will become barren, which means that this side of the Galaxy will be dead

>>157008339
At least that's one of the things that they're specifically dealing with in Heinlein.

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>I'll go science this time! :D
>be Korea
>Sweden very near me and shoshone on the other side of Sweden
>Sweden forward settles me
>I settle as far from Sweden as possible
>"WTF, YOU FUCKING GOOK!? DON'T SETTLE NEAR ME!" he says as he founds a third city on my border.
>"I have to settle near me. You forward settled me."
>Sweden DOWs me and wipes me out with a dozen spearmen he expertly rotates as they take damage.
>Pocatello just laughs as he settles the entire fucking continent.

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Is this the low-key /rtsg/?

Anyone wanna play SWGB:CC on voobly or AoE2:HD?
Im pretty terrible though.

>>157010756
*near you

>>157010782
no try one of the rts threads on /v/

>>157005401
I'd tried most of the links I could find, and it would usually load up and work perfectly right up to the point of actually loading the map when it would always crash.

But that was a little while ago and you've given me hope anon, so I'll try again.

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>>157012501
Never mind

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>213k firepower
My titan technology can't research itself much faster than RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

So how's Endless Space 2?
I saw EA for it is out now.

>>157013216
Good, but incomplete and a bit buggy.

>>157013464
Well, that's about as good as one could expect for EA

>>157013589
There are some balance tweaks that need to be made too.

Currently, the space dosh lords are incredibly vulnerable to ground invasions which if lost, cost them the ark anchored to the system.

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>>157010756
>start new game
>Korea again but this time next to Boudicca
>settle near a Natural Wonder well away from Celts
>"WTF, DON'T FUCKING SETTLE NEAR ME, YOU DAMN GOOK!"
>I'm not tempting fate. "Whatever you say Boudicca. You're the boss. I won't settle near you."
>"HOW DARE YOU! THIS MEANS WAR! PREPARE TO FUCKING DIE YOU SLANTY EYED BASTARD!"
>game crashes
Sid doesn't want me playing Civilization tonight. I guess I'll go watch the debate.

>>157012735
>>157012501
>w10
First, why?

Second, have you tried googling "civilization 2 windows 10" ?

>>157014165
>watching the debate
Do you want to make yourself depressed
>our only options for president are a moron or a liar

>>157014451
they're both morons and liars. whoever wins, america loses.

>>157014451
>>157014591
>>/pol/

>>157014687
>going to /pol/ for a chill political discussion
yea, no. everyone on there is a trump shill.

>>157014806
Be that as it may, this isn't a thread for a "chill political discussion"

>>157014806
just because /v/ shits on COD doesn't mean you can talk about it here

Civ III or Call to Power 2?

I put so many hours into both.
Are there any mods that take good elements from one and put them into the other?

What are you playing as in Civ 6?

I'll be playing as China, then America. If Scythia doesn't get a nerf day 1 I'll play it lol. I wonder how many will be playing MP on day 1 though

>>157016224
I really hope the multiplayer is stable, the only reason the mid game in civ V was boring was because the AI. Also speaking of multiplayer, aztecs looks really strong, Eagle warriors have 8 more strength than regular warriors

>>157016224
Random. Full manmode.

>>157016224

I'm planning to start with a very cozy American game to get accustomed to the new things, but I honestly can't wait to try every single civ.

Most of Sumers bonuses look pretty week, but the fucking war cart looks nuts, 30 damage isn't matched till swordsmen, plus extra movement and no penalty against barbs

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>>157016224
Spain for muh DEUS VULT and religious crusadan

After that I'll just random leader so I can learn the meta and git gud enough to play MP games and SP on Diety. Has Scythia been OP in pre release games so far?

>>157016224
Random I guess.

>>157017246
up to 50 hp heals ain't a fucking joke. Plus they get more bonuses to attacking injured units, so basically they all have route

>>157017521

add to that the +1 Saka horse archer.

what were the devs thinking kek

>>157016224
ill be playing rome for sure, because I'm so used to building like civ 5 that i'll need an intro ez mode civ to transition back into building massive amounts of cities.

>>157016224
I like roads. Yes i'm boring.

>>157018002

i like roads too. road are essential to fast unit moving. that's why civ 6's builder change didn't set within me and that's why i'm playing as china for the extra builder charge

>>157017521
>>157017592
Have you seen playthroughs with her dominating? I know filthy has a domination game with her but I haven't watched it yet.

>>157018245

yes, i've watched Filthy's stream, he steam rolled with scythia, As Filthy he can do it with ease since and at Prince as well but the healing is literally broke af.

>>157018245
I saw part of filithys. I thought "up to 50 hp" meant that it scaled with unit strength or something, but no it means however much HP you need to get to 100 as long as you are at 50

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Maybe installing that Titan mod was a bad idea...

>>157016224
I haven't paid much attention to Civ 6, so whoever looks good.

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HOLY FUCK! WILL CIV 6 HAVE SCENARIOS OR NOT!?

I have a 33% Synth population and a 66% human population. I'm getting popups about synths attacking people.... why?

>>157017165
The war cart is what makes their Epic Quest work, since early barb camps are usually guarded by spearmen. And some of the hut rewards are very powerful, like the free relic.

Really we can't evaluate the ziggurat well until we know the yields.

>>157010782
The AOE2 thread is on /vr/.
I have no idea why.

>>157019930
DINDUNUFFIN

I Miku was a civ leader what civ would she lead?

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Titans were a mistake

>>157020079
Whoah! I didn't even know that board was effectively just slow /vg/. Opened it and first thing I saw was a Roller Coaster Tycoon thread. Later faggots

Any tips for a solid opening strat for stellaris? I tend to go Military dictatorship and hold off on colonization until I get a strong research rate going since the research cost for each tech goes up with each colony you make but it seems to leave me lagging behind in the long run. I can typically dominate early a little with the ability to pull a large corvette fleet out of my ass with a leader ship to boot when I need it but once fleets start hitting about 1-2k I start falling behind and need to play catch up to get destroyers and cruisers out.

new fag here why dosent anyone like beyond earth?

>>157022142
Yeah you're doing better in science between the years 2200-2204 with the strat you're doing while fucking yourself over for the next couple of centuries.
Expand up to your core limit, expand so you'll cover more space research.

>>157023193
We don't dislike it.
It's merely okay.

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I declared war on China, and it's going well-ish.. Something had to give; I couldn't risk her getting nukes too long before I did. Fortunately I'll be getting public schools soon, which should close the gap a little.

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>>157023193
Victory types came in early in relation to the tech tree, trade routes were insane at start making ics insane.
Like civ5 g&k without unhappiness insane.
Even the hardest AI was pretty easy to beat.

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but i poop from there =(

>Prethoryn scourge vs unbidden vs massive AI

>>157012735
run it in a vm

>>157023431
How do you keep piety so high. Mine always falls to shit one way or another.

>>157026630
Take the belief that gives you piety for unit promotions. It's extremely easy to cheese.

You know what I really want? A full Civ-style game but just for the Ancient Era, and just for the Renaissance to Industrial Era.

>>157023631
Should I pirate BE now? Is it likely to get any updates in the near future to patch things out, fix balance, etc?

>>157026953
I've always really enjoyed ancient or tribal building games like Populous and Black & White

>>157026953
Check out Hegemony Clash of Ancients

>>157027485
I've considered it many times. But that world map always looks disgusting to me, being all orange on black.

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>>157027916
>orange on black
You want ancient you get ancient

Is salting the earth bugged or something? I settle a city wrong, its getting 30ish dust per turn, I raze and resettle a space away, still covering all the big dust tiles, and it's making -8. What the fuck?

>>157028089
Yeah but they chose some weird gray charcoal and then they have some really flat and repetitive mountain and tree textures.

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>>157023193
Affinity unit upgrades were extremely strong, and the AI was awful at tech prioritization. This meant you could easily get an affinity lead and steamroll the competition. Fighting a non-affinity unit with an affinity unit is like fighting a swordsman with a musketman, so this made combat pretty dull.

A lot of the quest choices felt either meaningless, or completely one-sided because of how much better one choice was than another.

Rising Tide didn't really do anything to fix these problems, and while its changes do diplomacy were neat superficially, I felt they oversimplified too much and made the game weaker as a result. I think everyone can agree space-twitter was a mistake.

>>157028913
It probably shouldn't have even been released, it should have been the testing platform for the ideas of Civ VI.

So i wanted to install Vox Populi but it seems that it say i need all the koreans DLCs. Can i download the DLC somewhere and install it to my steam version of CIV5?

Deity level Civ V player here. When 6 comes out do I have any sort of a shot when making videos explaining the game? Does anyone watch Filthy or Marbozir?

>>157030694
I'd love more variety. I like marbozir but filthy, good as he is at the game, is about as entertaining a personality as human paint thinner

>still no mechanic that causes massive civil unrest/corruption/global warming and basically ruins your empire, making you become fallen

I don't care what anyone says, it'd be a cool mechanic to me and make long playthroughs very interesting

also
>>157024731
prethoryn would win, I think, unbidden would rip themselves apart, and AI wouldn't stand a chance

>>157016224
my nigga gilgamesh, of course
look at dem muscles
>>157023431
Out of curiosity, is there any reason you decided to take Shanghai first instead of the city directly north of you?

Also, fuck Wu. She's always a cunt.
>>157032543
>Global warming
wasn't that in Civ IV? With the spooky noise, too?

>>157032883
>>Global warming
>wasn't that in Civ IV? With the spooky noise, too?
I was talking more in the context of Stellaris, basically some event that forces you to evacuate one of your planets permanently.
Thinking on it, it'd probably take longer for global warming to take place than the timeframe of Stellaris is set in.

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>>157033165
Ah, my bad, I though you were talking about Civ. Never played Stellaris, myself.

Now I'm curious if Civ VI will have a mechanic like global warming again. Factories had no downsides in Civ V, really.

>>157032883
>Out of curiosity, is there any reason you decided to take Shanghai first instead of the city directly north of you?
That land is very defensible, and China has a massive, high-tech land army, a great economy, and almost no navy. A sea assault is also just easier at this tech level.
I'm not actually interested in capturing any land, I just want to raze some of their cities to slow tech progress. I do intend on liberating that bordering city once I get artillery, though. It used to be Aztec, and they're no threat to me at all, so it should make a nice buffer for a little while.

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>>157033968
Fair enough. I assume you're just razing up and down the coast?

While I'm at it I might as well post the Incan Empire I had right before my most recent game ended.

>>157032048
Hmm. Perhaps I'll give it a shot then. What do you enjoy about Marbozir? I want Filthys pacing with Marbozir's commentary. Also want to see something other than domination.

Is the Community Balance Patch supposed to make me feel retarded for not knowing how to play the game anymore?

>>157034774
I like Marbozir's accent.
"Wuh-hoh! That's uhh, heh heh, that's uhh not gewd! Hoh well... Hmmm... Hyeah, I'll do thad."

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>>157019520
>>157020525
I watched as the Tyranids ate a precursor empire with their 320k fleets.

And then I purged them with my 120k fleets. And purged the remaining precursors. And all the other dirty xenos.

>>157037827
Don't go full deity on first try. Kick it down a notch from what you're used to and it easy from there.

Do Civ 6 settlers cost more depending on how many you've built or how many you've had or settled? Stealing settlers would be broken if the those settlers didn't count to the increasing settler production cost.

>>157038890
This. It's also worth noting that each difficulty level is higher than than vanilla difficulty. They removed the lowest difficulties entirely. (IIRC)
Don't start on anything higher than Prince.

>>157004715
> Sentinels...
Who?

>>157008339
Do you have some sort of giant Fallen Empires mod going there? All the FEs on that map look immense

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>>157005401
i took german
and i never played civ2 before.

>>157016224
Sumeria, I want to see if I can cheese out the Barb camp ability.

>>157016224
Rome

I like my army being a tidal wave of fuck across the world that nobody can stop

>>157040761
then why not Scythia?

>>157040910
Because muh western civilization

>>157016224
Britain.
Because if Victoria spawns as an AI I'm not going to be able to say no to her.

>>157041168
Victoria is a stuck up bitch in all my games so far. Had to kill her twice already

>>157041289
Victoria was a bloody hypocrit who was all anal about muh dick but slept with countless men.

>>157041451
Like how Catherine definitely died fucking a horse?

>>157004435
What is the game on the lower larger panel?

>>157010782
A gsg autistic person killed the revival of /rtsg/ last week.

>>157041289
Well, exactly.
If she was bro-tier and helpful then my compuslion to follow her sexy voice wouldn't be a problem.
But the problem with the sirens is that they led sailors to their death.

>The Hissho are a minor faction
>Space Drakken will not be a thing
>Space cultists will not be a thing
>United earth empire will probably be replaced with vaulters/mezari

Hey, can you recommend me some fun turn-based 4x games? I would like to play a fantasy one and one in space. I have only played civ.

>>157012735
There's a patch running around the internet that makes it work on modern computers. It's pretty easy to find now ever since that story about the eternal war got out.

>>157045892
endless legend is pretty good for a fantasy one

>try to get through a game of stellaris
>2000 stars on the real 4 armed spiral map.
>get my third colony down, realize I have 3 more worlds just in my explored area to colonize and I have to do bullshit building projects and resource management for all of them.
>this won't even scratch the surface for the rest of my empire as I expand further.
>alt f4

When will this shitty game get fixed and remove all the unfun bullshit?

>>157046430
heinlein

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Just like my star wars animes.

You can reclaim the husks of other Vodyani arks.

>>157047026
I really hope they get the vodyani unfucked. The fact that planetary invasions are a thing they have to defend against doesnt make any sense. Especially not when they bypass the ark entirely.

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>>157047205
Yeah, that shit is fucked. You CAN attack the ark, but you can also siege the planet and unless if you have a vastly superior force, it is better to just siege since Vodyani are kinda fucked in manpower.

110 base manpower is just pathetic.

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>>157046430
Well the point of sectors is that you only have to micro your first 5 planets...

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> Find roaches on nuked Earth
> Accidentally switch them to desert preference while epigenetic triggering
> turn Sol over to the sector and it clears all the +research radioactive wasteland
The Turks have not been well-served by either human or machine stupidity this game

>>157048824

Newfriend here, what game is this?

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>>157049038
Stellaris, a hybrid of a 4X and grand strategy that came out in May.
It's kinda stale at the moment; there's content enough to keep you super-engrossed and entertained for like 3 games, but after that you've seen everything and it just falls off a cliff of tedious repetition.
But the studio, Paradox, have a long history of releasing unfinished games but then genuinely turning them to good shit over several years with free patches and/or DLC, so I live in hope that one day I will become not-bored once again.

>>157049256
>grand strategy

I'm too dumb for those kind of games.
Looks interesting.
Oh well.

>>157049387
It'd be a good idea to try it out if you like what you see, really.
>>157040970
make Rome great again

>>157049387
>It's kinda stale at the moment; there's content enough to keep you super-engrossed and entertained for like 3 games, but after that you've seen everything and it just falls off a cliff of tedious repetition.
>But the studio, Paradox, have a long history of releasing unfinished games but then genuinely turning them to good shit over several years with free patches and/or DLC, so I live in hope that one day I will become not-bored once again.
There is a /gsg/, because it's a spiteful place of venom and hatred, we exiled Stellaris to /4xg/ for not being /gsg/ enough. You don't need to worry.

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>>157049387
In it's... defense(?), it is the n00b-friendliest grand strategy game around. There's none of the diplomatic plotting that gives normal gsg's their learning curve. Its combat is basically babby's first RTS: you throw all your ships at all their ships in one big battle and you usually win because the AI is a retard.
For people who do play gsgs, this is why we complain it's a hollowed-out shell of a game with minimal complexity, but for a newfriend that very fact means it might constitute the perfect entry point.

>>157049256
Regarding paradix, it's rather that they release an unfinished game, spend the next few dlc ironing out the initial faults, then go full ham on unnecessary features with the next ten dlc which turn the game into a bloated mess.

The good news is that it's gonna get better before it gets worse. The bad news is it won't last for long.

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>>157050386
I remain salty that in CK2 I got to play as the Raja of Bangladesh before I (still don't) get to play as the Pope, yes.

>>157048471
Sector ai is completely retarded and forcing the limit is bullshit

>>157049648
stellaris got its own general first (gsg hated it). then came civ6 and the general civ4xg was created.
sgg would be a much nicer name for this

>>157051525
>sgg
Strand Grategy General?

>>157051525
I don't want to have another underage idiot spamming about his wibbly.

>>157051591
No, you dumb fuck.

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>>157051591
>Strand Grategy General?

>>157051591
Symphogear general
I don't know why he brings a /m/ general into this though

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>>157051591
>Strand Grategy General !

>>157051525
>>157051773
A prospective compromise would be /civ4xsg/, for Civilization, 4X, and Strategy General. Keeps the general mostly 4x focused while still mentioning that "hey, you can discuss other strategy in here too, we won't judge".

>>157053765
I'll judge

people can only talk about things I agree with

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I like Cossacks 3.

>>157054351
nah, it sucks.

>>157054351
t. Yuri

>>157054840
t. Nigel

>>157055090
I said Cossacks 2.
Not Red Alert 2

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>>157055310
Where do you think Cossacks come from, anon?

>>157051525
>then came civ6 and the general civ4xg was created.
No civ4xg is much older than that.

>>157049684

Hmm, should I give it a shot then?
I'll have to pirate it because poorfag.

>>157056580
Yeah, it's obviously from civ4

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>>157057382
Well, like I said, it's really good for the first 2-3 games, so if you're a piratefag especially you've got nothing to lose

>>157057609
ha

What does the Stellaris DLC offer?

Just the War in Heaven event?

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>>157057704
It's not entirely clear how much of the update is the free patch and how much is the paid stuff, which is unfortunate.

Also JESUS CHRIST

>>157046430
>I have to do bullshit building projects and resource management for all of them.
Just queue up a bunch of buildings and forget about them for a few years.
>this won't even scratch the surface for the rest of my empire as I expand further.
You're the kind of person for whom sectors were designed. Use them, then.

>>157058034
>>157057704
https://www.paradoxplaza.com/stellaris-leviathan-story-pack

>>157047026
You know, for the concept they represent, the arks don't look that impressive.

>>157057660

Why does it get boring after that?

>>157050386
Eh, even the unnecessary features can be fun. I enjoyed Old Gods. And Sons of Abraham was mostly improvements to the core gameplay but came pretty late in the life of the product.

>>157058034
Literally every feature they announce, the same announcement tells you if it's free or paid.

>>157058395
You'll have seen all there is to see and there's not enough variability in the game to matter beyond that point. This should change some as they add more technologies and more stuff that makes the different ethoses different, but they won't add that content more quickly than players can find it and get bored of it.

They've got a better designed at the helm, though.

>>157058127
great but shouldn't this shit be included in the free patch? it's like I have to pay more to get the game out of beta

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>>157058395
'Cos you've seen everything novel that your explorer ships can find, and you've built every building, and you've seen every tech.

Unlike, say, Civ, in Stellaris every faction plays exactly the same, and there's only one strategy (endless war with Tachyon Battleships).
And unlike in other Paradox games, everyone starts off on a level playing field, so changing your starting position / nation does fucking nothing either.
So there's no replayability, because after 2-3 games you're just repeating the exact same thing you did last time.

>>157058809
Welcome to DLC-town. Next stop is never.

>>157058034
>>157058919

Are there any other turn-based 4x space games you guys would recommend?

>>157058809
Free patch includes a lot of changes and new stuff too, especially to ship combat and design, the space creatures, and the fallen empires.

>>157059171
can you give a tldr of the changes or a useful link? I don't want to read all the dev diaries

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>>157059145
> other turn-based 4x space games

Stellaris isn't turn based, so >other

But I would reccomend Alpha Centauri, which is like 20 years old but still the best sci-fi 4X ever made by a considerable margin

>>157059145
Endless Space 2 just came out on Early Access. I'm having fun though I haven't quite formed an opinion on it yet. It's still incomplete.

>>157059320
AC plays like Civ 3 right

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>>157059431
I believe that it is literally built from the same engine as Civ II, so yes.

>>157059394

How's the first one?
I'm not touching anything early access.
Never again.

>>157059729
It was fairly simple but fun. Played it a lot more than I did Stellaris. A few mechanics were a little wonky. If you play it, play the original version, I think it's called the Admiral Edition. They had a big DLC patch that changed a few of the core mechanics that proved unpopular so they caved to popular demand and brought the original mechanics back.

>>157059267
All the ship classes are re-imagined for a specific role. Evasion works totally different, and you can now put XL-sized superweapons instead of tachyon lances. Fallen empires have their own ship class that only they can build (pending future DLC). The assorted space monsters aren't all everywhere any more, but have home regions of space and may have home systems and home planets (depending on the specific species) where there are new events and things. They're adding auto-explore, rally points, and an "expansion planner" for general usability, and totally reworking strategic resources, so that there will be local (one planet only) resources and global resources, and the global ones will be divided into military and civilian resources. Fallen Empires can wake up and go on huge crusades and shit, and the enigmatic observers and keepers of knowledge will have totally new personalities. Federations and alliances are merged, planets are no longer on a wheel but are divided into three groups (wet, dry, cold) of three, with the abnormal types presumably not changing.
In combat, the idea is that corvettes are good at taking out capitals, destroyers are screens for the capitals and take out corvettes, cruisers are "close range brawlers" that destroy destroyers and enemy cruisers but have trouble with corvettes, and battleships are long-ranged carriers and artillery, for taking out battleships and cruisers. God only knows if it'll work in practice. There are three new slot types though, torpedo, point defense, and extra large. Special utilities now have their own slot types. Tracking is added, which is like anti-evasion, and little ships have good evasion while big weapons have poor tracking, but good armor penetration.
Space creatures now have their own regions of space, and space pirates follow the same system.

>>157059729
I will offer a counterpoint to >>157060352 and say that I think it was terrible. Boring spreadsheet manager and wars were interminable grindfests. There's no way I'm going anywhere near 2 after 1 was such a steaming pile of shit.

>>157059267
>useful link?
It's broken down to bullet points in this dev diary:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-46-enclaves.969801/

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>>157050591
>no three kingdoms AND europe at the same time period gs game
>no bronze age game
>no conan/xena gs game
WHY PARACOCKS IS SO BAD
>HURR LETS FUCK UP EU 3
>HURR LETS FUCK UP HEARTS OF IRON
>HURRR DLC

>>157060352

I actually pirated it and a few other games and thinking what to play.
There is a "switch to classic" option bottom right, is that it?

>>157053765
>>157051525
It already happened, last fucking week. Guess what happened? ONE (1) gsg shitposter took down the entire general with sheer force of autistic, bot-like shitposting

>>157060627
>>157060548
thanks, seems pretty hype actually

the DLC looks so minimal compared to the rest of the changes

>>157061162
Yeah, the new design head basically is doing the DLC so that he can fix what the previous guy did while also paying everyone. He pushed back a much bigger DLC (the focus of which hasn't been disclosed) to do so.

>>157060916
Yeah I think that's it.

It's got a better tech tree, and doesn't have the fighters/bombers they added to combat, which is fine since they weren't very good.

Again, some of the mechanics are wonky, particularly large scale wars/invasions. But I still liked it despite the problems.

>>157061020
I know.

And it's fucking stupid that we're allowing one little autistic manchild to stop us from renaming a general he isn't even a fucking part of.

Whatever happened to report and ignore? If everyone grows a brain and doesn't reply to him and continue on as usual then he'll eventually get bored and leave, if the mods somehow don't ban him before that happens.

Do we know if civ 6 will have, straight from Satan's asshole, denuvo?

Please no.
I'm going to kill myself.

>>157061796
We reported and ignored. But a page long post every 1:30 minutes made it unattractive. We could try again and again and engage in a fatigue war.

>>157061343
interesting, didn't even know that there was a change in lead dev

to be honest the enclaves and war in heaven seem kinda cool, might just be a good goyim and go for it anyway

>>157061963
Yep, it's Wiz now, who made a famous mod and for EU4 and was hired for being very competent, particularly at AI. He's helmed some of the better designed DLC, in terms of gameplay mechanics, and his stuff tends to be the most elegant and polished, though Doomdark makes some stuff that's more cool/fun in my opinion.

I'm thinking I might spring for this as well, but just so you know, it's really easy to pirate Paradox DLC even on a legit (steam) copy.

>>157004681
Does anyone else have this problem or is it just my toaster being old and shit?

>>157060548
Stellaris bernout here. Is there an ETA yet? I really don't want to play until this drops. Dropped a game because of boredom last week

Whats the performance like for Endless Space 2?

I can barely run Stellaris, and it often goes to shit the longer the game keep running.

>>157062674
Upgrade your toaster

>>157062619
It's out on the 20th, so you'll have just enough time to play it and burn out again before Civ 6 drops.

>>157062619
20th October

>>157062814
I have a fantastic computer

But I can only use a laptop for the next month

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>>157062619
20th, 1 day before Civ.
I'm sure there's a plan here, but I don't know what they were smoking.

>>157062864
>>157062875
thanks guys. I'm not going for Civ6, my other drug is tw: wh

>>157062918
They probably realized Civ 6 is going to flop

>that fucking hideous art style

Is the Extended User Interface for Civ V toaster-friendly? I like it but I can see it becoming an issue mid-late game when the map's fully explored and everyone has a gorillion units.

>>157063248
I hated it when it was first previewed, but it's grown on me over time.

What exactly is wrong with beyond earth?
Did it improve with expansions/updates?

Haven't played it yet.

>>157063248
>artstyle makes the whole game
you must hate playing retro games.

>>157063248
Even if the art style was shit (it isn't) that's almost irrelevant to a competitive strategy game, it isn't shit enough to matter by any stretch of taste

Unless they fuck up the AI bad it's going to be a hit, Civ V's launch was terrible and it was still a huge success

>>157062918
>well it we can't get it out way before Civ 6
>if we release it after Civ 6, people will be too busy playing that to buy it
>if we release it right before Civ 6, maybe we can get ten bucks each from impatient people who are eager for new 4x due to Civ 6 hype

>>157063572
It has the gameplay of Civ V with very few changes/innovations and is rather repetitive, plus it's even easier than V, and even more lacking in decisions that feel like they carry weight

Plus the setting seems pretty dull and generic

I think this thread gets asked this question a few times each day

>>157063597
>/v/ memes

I don't think he plays games at all.

>>157063793
I thought you were describing Civ VI at first

>>157063597
I love retro games. But Civ 6 looks like absolute shit.

>>157063698
>irrelevant to a competitive strategy game
Yeah no. People are graphic whores and Civ is a casual series of strategy games. Its going to harm sales period.

>>157064028
But that's wrong, even the press release of VI has a lot more meaningful decisions than V

It does look piss easy though

>>157064159
>Its going to harm sales period.
lol whatever you say buddy

Better get that asshole ready for release day

>>157064220
>it looks easy

All the press release versions are locked to Prince mode.

>>157064374
Not him but thats obviously because the game is piss fucking easy on higher difficulties and they dont want to show it

>>157064398
Congratulations, that's the stupidest thing I've heard all day.

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Not really sure where to settle. I'm open to suggestions.

Inca only have two cities but I believe they intend on going wide.

There a whole hell of a lot of resources just south of the mountains but any placement that makes use of them negatively impacts later city placement or leaves several tiles out of range of any decent future city.

>>157064514
>let review copies play any difficulty
>they see the game is piss fucking easy on highest difficulty
>get less sales because they once again couldn't balance the game well
You didn't read the stupidest thing but you sure did post it.

>>157064352
I dont need to wait for release day because I already know its true. Not to mention the fact the AI is so shit it might as well not even exist in the first place.

>>157064220
>lot more meaningful decisions than V

>Districts
>Splitting the tech tree
What else? Honestly asking I haven't even followed it that much.

>>157064784
The AI was shit in V and it didn't hurt it one bit sales-wise

If you're going to claim it's going to flop you need to pick things that matter

>>157064621
You know that like 90% of people who bought V never played above Prince anyway? They don't care what it's like at higher difficulties because they'll never see them.

>>157065052
Sieging a city. If you have zone of control on all 6 tiles around a city it can't heal.

>>157065530
To be precise the global stats for "Beat King difficulty" on Civ V is 7.1%

Emperor is 4.2%

>year of our lord 2016
>there still isn't a subgenre for RTS on the supcom scale

goddammit I want to blitz through Fulda with a bazillion T-72

>>157065759
What is the percentage for Settler?

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>>157064574
Bump.

Still open to suggestions.

>>157065759
Emperor gets so boring once you get past classical, because the AI already start to lose there advantages. i wish there was a way to make it as difficult as deity without making the early game "lol AI gets a religion and 5 cities by turn 10"

>>157065759
To be fair 99% of my games on Civ V I never bother to finish, regardless of difficulty I play at.

>>157065986
Settler is 13.7%, Prince is 15%, Warlord is 14.4%, Chieftain is 22.2%

>>157066142
You only have to beat it once to count for an achievement, but it's a fair point that many Civ games go unfinished

Still, the stats for the lower difficulties are significantly higher.

>>157066080
Immortal Difficulty until medieval, then the AI gets deity bonuses.

Biggest deity bonus is the extra settler at the start though but whatever.

>>157066001
post strategic map mode and play without cbp

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>>157066406
No and no.

Have you ever won a war in Civ 5 when the enemy is ahead of you in tech?

I once used very hilly terrain, rivers, archers and knights to beat Korea who was in the Renaissance and had muskets.

>>157065052
It's mostly districts and wonders going on the map that forces you to specialize cities, and making you plan in advance based on the terrain around the city: what will it be used for and how to make the district adjacency bonuses work together.

But there are other mechanics that add complexity to the game too, like spies having more missions than V, support units, and limited-charge builders

>>157065759
>>157065530
Because most dont play civ to completion, its game over well before that

>>157065759
I don't have the king and emperor achievements.

I do have Immortal and Deity achievements though.

>>157065916
>its 2016
>We still dont have Civilization Crusader Kings; Total War

>>157066604
then figure it out on your own

>>157066841
That doesn't change the fact that the stats for completing low difficulty games are much, much higher than the stats for completing games at a difficulty higher than prince. Going from Prince to King more than halves the amount of achievements.

Keep in mind this isn't a total game count, this is based on the player stats for completing a game at that difficulty a single time

>>157067003
>That doesn't change the fact that the stats for completing low difficulty games are much, much higher than the stats for completing games at a difficulty higher than prince
And those stats are irrelevant without more information we dont have other than the fact that the VAST majority of Civ games are not played to completion.

>>157067132
They are hardly meaningless, but I can see there's no convincing you if you're going to hide behind that rhetoric. Believe what you will, but you're crazy if you think the average joe consumer cares about how hard the AI is at Emperor when they make the decision to purchase the game.

>>157067313
>They are hardly meaningless, but I can see there's no convincing you if you're going to hide behind that rhetoric
That is some flawless fucking irony, well done you got a laugh out of me shitposter. By your shitty logic the game should only ship with Prince since no one cares about higher difficulties.

>>157067313
>average joe consumer cares about how hard the AI is at Emperor when they make the decision to purchase the game.
You're crazy if you think they dont. Its a strategy series, people play for the difficulty.

>>157019520
heard you cann capture a broodmother and tame her

>>157067587
not many do with civilization. the facts are right there with the achievement score. barely anyone plays above prince, and very few beat diety more than once, just for the achievement.

>>157067439
>>157067587
That's not how it fucking works. Look at the fucking gap, 22.2% completion rate on Chieftain and 4.2% on Emperor. Are you really going to hide behind "not all Civ games are played to completion" to defend a gap that big?

>>157067439
>>157067587
I really don't think casual players care about difficulty that much

>>157067821
>barely anyone plays above prince
No, few people complete above prince. That does not mean barely anyone plays above prince.

Please learn what those percentages actually mean.

>>157067870
Nothing to hide behind here kid you're straight up wrong. Most people dont play to completion and those statistics are worthless without more information. But you keep pretending civilization only needs prince difficulty.

>>157067931
>game reviewers biggest complaint was how stupid and easy the AI was
Considering they are the biggest casuals of all time I think casuals do care about difficulty.

>>157068091
>kid
This is some low-quality shitposting and ignorance.

>>157068195
Which reviewers? People like FilthyRobot and Quill are deity-level Civ V players despite how bad they might appear at the game in VI

The other articles I've read on the subject range from that complaint but also talking about how they lost to the AI because it won a religious victory early on

>>157068207
>Ad hominem
Im surprised you didn't even use a food analogy to save face. Sorry you're so stupid you think steam achievements actually mean anything at all relevant to the original post.

>>157068195
Most of those reviews are still glowingly positive, it's not going to impact sales

>>157068330
Those are not game reviewers they are eceleb whores. I was talking about casuals like IGN, Gamespot ect.

>>157068451
Not relevant but okay.

>>157068424
You're accusing that post of ad hominem given the content of your posts? Really?

>>157068091
>kid
>Strawman at the end

>>157067439
>shitposter
>shitty logic

>>157068424
>stupid

>>157068451
More like all of them really, I've found exactly one article that had a somewhat negative tone

>>157068540
It is very relevant because the argument is whether or not VI will be a "flop" based on the AI being "too easy"

Which is fucking ridiculous

>all those replies
Guys leave the autismo alone, you're going to break him

It looks like galaxy view looks much better in Endless Space 2 than in Stellaris, but star systems in Endless Space 2 are razer dull and lack asteroids and other fancy stuff that Stellaris has.
My opinion is based on some screenshots and videos, can somebody confirm it?
I'm also guessing that ES2 devs are going to add much more stuff by the time it released.

>>157068617
>It is very relevant because the argument is whether or not VI will be a "flop" based on the AI being "too easy"
No its not, that is but one part of a bigger discussion on why Civ 6 is not going to do as well as people like you claim. But since your logical process is to call anything you dont like 'stupid' rather than argue a point im not surprised you cant read.

>>157068754
I want a space that isn't just black with stars.

>>157068617
>You're accusing that post of ad hominem given the content of your posts? Really?
Yes, because unlike you I haven't relied upon them.

You claim that everyone plays to completion, I proved that was a stupid assumption. You shitpost in response, I called you out on it. Now you're replying on a meta discussion to save face by ignoring the main issue.

I see you've gone full save face mode so here is your last (you), you're only acting this way because you realize you were wrong after all anyway.

>>157063572

I NEED MORE OPINIONS ON BEYOND EARTH
So post them.

How did this turn into a civ 5 vs 6 difficulty debate.

>>157068754
>I'm also guessing that ES2 devs are going to add much more stuff by the time it released.
Well you would bloody hope so its not like its much of a game now.

>>157068960
Beyond Earth is shit. You dont need to know anything else.

>How did this turn into a civ 5 vs 6 difficulty debate.
Its not, its just one idiot who thinks that everyone always plays to completion because thats all he does. Turns out people with autism cant empathize with different peoples way of doing things, no surprise there.

>>157068920
>you claim that everyone plays to completion
What? Show me this claim. If anything I said the opposite here:

>>157066220
>it's a fair point that many Civ games go unfinished

My contention is that this anecdotal fact doesn't render all the statistics meaningless.

>>157028913
>>157023193
It squandered some really interesting ideas
It was mediocre especially off the tail of a Civ V which had just gotten an expansion that made it one of the best if not the best game in the genre

>anecdotal fact
Have you ever met someone so stupid they dont understand the words they use.

Why does /civ4xg/ always get these people.

well tl&dr for most posts above

but I have to agree with anon the Civ was always fucking easy, I can not even imagine how people manage to loose in this shit....
and its also true, Civ is mostly for filthy casuals who want a comfy civilization simulator
the only times I really struggled were in Civ4 with modded Revolution or similar, but then again it was from other factors than AI itself

I posted earlier about on the thread about Pandora, and as a contrast, Civ has to cheat the AI players to give a challenge, Pandora is the otherway, it has to handicap the AI on normal difficulty
thus being of more of a hardcore strategy type of game, even so, I got bored on normal cause I was just gliding by,
while most reviews complaining they got completely wreked

>>157069364
Yeah, anecdotal fact isn't the best set of words, but you get the meaning. It's not based on evidence, it's an anecdote. On the other hand, if you have some evidence or statistics, now would be the time to share. I've presented mine.

>>157069364
Because we get lots of idiots who think they are smart just because they play games called 'strategy games'. Just ignore him and he'll go away.

>>157069407
>Pandora is the otherway, it has to handicap the AI on normal difficulty
Now that you point this out this makes so much sense in terms of doing AI right.

>>157049648

OT: oh, /gsg/. I think later today I'll post my Germany blob game in Hoi4, boasting while I do it, and watch them squirm in rage. Who's with me?

>>157069525
>Just ignore him and he'll go away.
I guess that would count as not playing his game to completion.

>>157069525
Can't be worse than the idiots who think Civ VI is going to "flop"
>>157063248

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>>157069751

>>157069525
>Now that you point this out this makes so much sense in terms of doing AI right.
Yeah, it makes no fucking sense, the game should for balance with any modifiers on any side, and that's always what I to play as
but the thing is Pandora is much more streamlined in terms of balance, so it kinda makes it easier for logical thinking to get things right,
during my play I saw a bunch of cool stuff, like my neighbor faction killing my other weaker neighbor, and then another faction complete take down this stronger neighbor,
they are all the time weighting down choices, declaring war and making friends later, its really confusing

>>157070042
>the game should for balance with any modifiers on any side
** the should go for balance without any modifiers

>>157070042
>>157070176
Personally I'd absolutely love it if Firaxis invested more in their AI programming to make it a more balanced, competitive experience. It's just that going by V, they have clearly shown they don't need to. Even if they don't, modders will do it for them.

>>157066604
>Pic of an abbo
>Human
Pick one.

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Looking forward to this, honestly.

Image is an actual spoiler for Leviathan.

>>157070324
>Even if they don't, modders will do it for them.
There isnt a single mod that fixes the V AI at all. Its broken on a feature level.

Best Civs for a first time win in Deity in Civ V? I've got 1000 hours and feel like I'm ready. No Babylon or Korea though.

>>157070425
>clearly too big to walk on anything
>has legs
Why?

>>157070425
I really fucking love the fact they went all out and just made fucking MASSIVE space monsters.

>>157070476
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=233424615
there are a couple of ai mods that massively increase the difficulty of the game without cheating.

>>157070324
but modders can't really fix the AI, they to release core code like they did in Civ4

>>157070425
That's just dumb

>>157070476
What do you mean by "fix"? There are mods that significantly reduce the amount of obvious and stupid mistakes it makes, which is generally good enough for me, but yeah they don't make it equally competitive with a human player.

>>157070661
It took a long time but V modders have access to the .dll now which lets them improve the AI.

>>157070042
Do factions feel like they each have unique personalities?

Because that's something I like to see in the AI, and I think the CiVI agendas are a neat idea in that direction - but weightings like that can cripple the AI's ability to be competitive at the same time.

>>157070476
There's a mod for diplomacy named Falcon AI but I don't think that changes the AI for non-diplomatic decisions.

>>157070585
For grabbing singularities with.

Though nothing in Stellaris is to scale anyway.

>>157066873
I have the emperor achievement but I don't have the King achievement.

I don't even remember how I won on emperor.

>>157070735
>personalities
it depends on what you call by that, I definitely seem different behavior between them, like the science faction being more passive about expansion
but it does seem like they're all in for win, and will really fight for it, I have to play another game in higher difficulty to see how they really fare without the handicaps (and plus there are also native aliens and the messari invasion)

about the agenda think, I really just think that's a dumb way to mask the AI flaws
just imagine the AI behaving the fucking same way all the time regardless of his condition and surrounding, its literally dumb

>>157066643
Civ 5 AI is very bad at 1UPT combat so it's probably more common than you think.

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>>157070585
it's an eldritch abomination

doesn't have to explain shit

it would be beyond your understanding anyway

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So Stellaris is better than ES2 at the moment?

Do you guys think ES2 could surpass Stellaris if they release everything they list in the EA coming on release list?

>>157071679
Eldritch beings are just primordial hipsters

You probably wouldn't understand

>>157071686
Seconding those question, I was supremely disappointed with Stellaris. It had none of the strengths of Grand Strategy, but all of the weaknesses. Just so much pointless busywork, no real interesting decisions.
Plus, planets, colonization and environment/biomes barely fucking mattered.

Heinlein doesn't really seem to change any of that.

>>157071686
What a nice ass.

Ha? Hu, yeah. Whatever you say.

That ass...

>>157071359
This sounds really promising, is there any reason NOT to try out Pandora? Any glaring flaws?

>>157071115
This shouting match is nonsensical. Of course stats matter, they wouldn't be stats otherwise. Of course they are imprecise, they wouldn't be stats otherwise. Of course most people don't play on Emperor/Diety, they wouldn't be people otherwise. And as to whether or not AI (it probably will) will be shit, and if it would hurt sales (it probably wont) any more than artstyle or at all, we won't ever see stats for untill the game is out.

Duke St Libertad, is one hell of a captcha 4chan.

>>157071686
>>157071860
Just play ES 1. Or Sots. Or AC. They are both bad, one in an unfinished carcass and another is a bland drink.

>>157071960
American Conquest was okay;

>>157072179
Alpha centaury

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>>157071860
>>157071960

I actually love ES1, Sword of the Stars and Stellaris.

I love the semi-random tech tree in Sword of the Stars, its simplicity but yet complex system.

I love the music and atmosphere in ES1.

So far ES2 looks kinda cool on the videos, but I can see that its very barebone compared to what they are going for.

[I also like SoasE: Rebellion and CivBE

>>157072281
It's called SMAC.
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

>>157071359
Maybe it should be a toggle between personality-AI and victory-AI, but I like the idea of AI civs choosing shitty options based on personality, like a civ that declares war in really dicey situations, or one that doesn't declare war unless the opponent's declared war on someone before, or one that has an irrational need to claim furs.

>>157072323

>SoasE: Rebellion
It's a great game in multiplayer. I don't see a reason to SP it.

To me comparing stellaris to sots is just a case study on how to screw up a game.
>3d map vs 2d map
>Unique flavourful factions vs pseudorandom statboxes
>Tech tree that outlines differences in those factions vs random card pulling from a tech tree that "can't be shown" except of course it can.
I can keep adding, but what's the point?


>>157072384
>SMAC
>Not SMACX
If you are gonna be a pendant at least pick the right game.

>>157071686
Neither is done. Both are in continuous development. The only difference is that Paradox says Stellaris is a complete game and nobody is saying ES2 is complete yet. ES2 is, in fact, less complete. Stellaris is boring but will get more development and more gameplay over a longer time, whereas ES2 will mostly just get more races and shit, so the eventual final state will probably lean in Stellaris' favor. That said, if CK2 is something to judge by, the eventual end state will be five years out.

>>157072851
The expansion was shit.

>>157071960
>Of course stats matter, they wouldn't be stats otherwise.

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>>157072851
I like the empire management, building and combat more in Stellaris than in SotS.

It's a long time since I played SotS 1 and 2 and I remember the combat took way too long that it became unfun because the enemies where running away.

>>157072961
It was not.

>>157073146
I'll concede that empire building isn't very strongest in sots, I am not sure I'd say that Stellaris is that much better, but sure I see your point.

Combat tho? Of course enemies run away if you are strong. You just pin them down to an important planet, or chase them with your quicker ships. Combat in sots was amazing, I can't see how you don't see that.

Oh and SotsS 2 never happened as far as I'm concerned. I never was as dissapointed with a release as that one. Not even stellaris dissapointed me as much.

>>157072565
I would like if they had randomized personalities, some that fit different play styles like actual players do,
but they need to be random so you don't always know how the fuck they will play, like over expanding or flavoring naval instead of land, play style doesn't necessarily means bad or good, but certainly adds uniqueness to them

>>157071960
>is there any reason NOT to try out Pandora? Any glaring flaws?
that's hard to say, I actually known Pandora since the beginning, even had a pre-release review copy of it, but I actually barely played it all these years
one thing is sure, if you try it out grab the dlc as well, it seems most of the AI improvement is dlc only
and also, if you like hardcore strategy, is a must try out experience, just for the sake of the core mechanics which are really cool, pirate if you have to
as for the flaws, the game lacks a bit in roleplay, most people got disappointed because it didn't turn out to follow on SMAX standards, that's really its only and major flaw

ps: this game should be really cool in multiplayer

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>>157073681
I agree that SotS 2 was terrible when it came, but the enhanced edition aint that bad though.

I'll install SotS and check again, the problem may be that I rushed for drone ships with the Hiver.
And those drone ships was big and slow which made the combat terrible against fast moving retreating ships. It was my fault I guess.

>>157071845

They were nothing but gods before it became popular.

>>157073947
I tried SOTS2EE, but it felt like they din't fix many problems, and with a bad taste the game left I never ended up playing enogh EE to give it a fair assesment. I should try that sometime.

And yeah, in sots just having good ships doesn't always do the trick sometime you have to get creative, which is good AFAIC

>>157073867
I guess I'll check it out then, thx.

For reference, Civ V's AI at release was much worse than VI's appear to be, especially the diplomacy, which was a horrible mess. Remember "pact of secrecy"? No visible modifiers at all? AI has never really been a strong point for Civilization.

>>157074780
Who are you replying to?

>>157073947
SotS 2 was a huge disaster. I mean the state it was eventually left in is alright I suppose but so much could have been done. My soul just couldn't bear to play much more of it than I did.

Hiver ships are generally on the fastest side of the group and I don't really recommend going drones on them.
Also Battleships or bust

>>157074919
Not a reply to anyone in particular, but Civ's AI has been discussed a lot in this thread for some reason. I found that odd since it's always been pretty bad.

>>157075062
I just wish that because it is so bad that they would at least give us a serviceable multiplayer. The multiplayer in V always broke for me and my friends

>>157075448
Unfortunately multiplayer has also never really been a strong point for Civ titles, it was completely broken for both IV and V on release, and even later when it was "fixed" it often didn't work right. We can hope but the track record isn't great.

I asked this before but got no response. Can you guys know any good diety guides? I am good enough to handle Emperor w/o much issue, but diety city spamming/forwardsettling just leaves me in dust.

Whats the best 4x set in space that's not Stellaris or Galactic civilization?

I tried Endless Space but the whole game just seemed kind of bland, also the diplomacy system seemed too... easy?

Also is there anything new to see in Stellaris? Havent played it since the first two patches.

>>157076431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pNwiAB3-2I

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>>157076919
Sword of the Stars: Complete Collection if you dont mind not being able to build on planets but love cool tech trees, combat and balancing resources between warfare and other stuff.

Distant Worlds if you really want THE autism simulator. It's kinda like a Paradox game on steroids in space.

>>157077268
would not be surprised if that works with russia in 6

>>157077440
I'm going for world first deity win as soon as it releases.

>>157077268
I'm not looking for a way to get the archivment, I'm looking for a viable way to improve my play.

>>157077639
I figured, but instead of being helpful I decided tobe a cunt. If you actually want to improve go watch Filthyrobot and Marbozir in their explanation videos.

This guy is also good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhn_GGKDDuQ

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>weapons have an effective ''range'' in space

And you'd think developers had at least some grasp of Newtonian physics...

>>157079679
If you think space doesn't have effective range then you are retarded.

>>157079874
>If you think space doesn't have effective range then you are retarded.
He isn't retarded, just uneducated.

>>157080271
Frogposters are by definition retarded

>>157079874
Space is infinite :^)

>>157080271
>>157080472

>dumb idiots who didn't or dropped out of college

Alright man, if I shoot a projectile I need to be in proper range else projectile will eventually stop due to air resistance or change its course due to gravity right?

>>157080524
we dont know that

Stellaris Heinlein+Leviathans releases Oct 20th

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-leviathans-awaken-on-october-20th-along-with-free-heinlein-patch.973250/

>>157081063
>Go into space
>Fire your missile
>Try to hit the small ship on the other side of the system with any sort of precision.

It isn't about effective range being the distance at which something can actually hit, it's about effective range being the distance at which something can feasibly BE hit.

>>157081063
Firstly, yes, anything you fire will in fact change course due to gravity, because the force has infinite range, and by extension the slug you shot is moving through changing gravitational fields. They won't be particularly strong because of the inverse-square law, but they will affect things.

Secondly, information can't travel faster than the speed of light in any given reference frame, which means as distances between ships increase the uncertainty in the enemy position increases, which means even if you could align your weapons and aim perfectly, at sufficiently large ranges of engagement the enemy ship could simply not be there when your attack arrives.

Thirdly, electromagnetic beams expand and thus lose intensity by approximately the inverse square of distance travelled at long ranges, which means there is a hard physical limit on the distance you can hit someone at before it fails to impart enough energy to do damage, so even massless attacks turn to shit eventually.

>>157081995

the obvious answer, in case you didn't figured it out by now retard, is to shoot many missiles and projectiles.

>>157082356
>Secondly, information can't travel faster than the speed of light in any given reference frame, which means as distances between ships increase the uncertainty in the enemy position increases, which means even if you could align your weapons and aim perfectly, at sufficiently large ranges of engagement the enemy ship could simply not be there when your attack arrives.

Hell, the ship could simple not be there when you fire

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Is lavra considered the shittiest UD in Civ 6?

>>157082662
I was going to make a long post about the cost of doing that, how inefficient it would be, etc, but I realize that you're an idiot and no amount of explaining from my end will be able to fix that. Have a nice day, anon.

>>157082662
Hey look, he is are a retard!

>>157082672
I avoided saying that. It's semantics, but technically wrong to say it wasn't there when you fired for the same reason it's impossible to talk about absolutely simultaneous events - relativity is fucky.