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>[Nero Festival ~2016 Autumn~ event from 9.28 to 10.10]
>http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/quest_event_20160928.php
- Farm medals to spend in the event shop
- Farm rose petals to spend in a depleting roulette
- 4* Nero (Saber) animation update
>Event CEs:
- 5* Joint Recital: +15% Buster/Crit damage, +1 Rose Petal drops [Shop]
- 5* Princess of White Roses: Guts [1 time, 1 HP], 10% starting NP charge, +100% damage during event [Rose petal gacha]

>[Nero Festival gacha]
Servants
- 5* Nero Bride [Saber, Limited]
- 4* Nero [Saber]
- 3* Caesar [Saber]
- 3* Romulus [Lancer]
- 3* Boudicca [Rider]

Limited CEs
- 5* This is My Honor: NP, Crit damage +15%, +3 stars per turn, +1 Gold Medal drop
- 4* The First Legion: Defense +8%, NP damage +15%, +1 Silver Medal
- 3* Lunar Cry: +10% Buster, -20% Debuff resist [Demerit], +1 Bronze medal

>News and Reminders
- Latest changes: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php
- New vers - emulators, rooted androids, jailbroken iPhones&androids with developer options on are prevented from launching game
- Mashu Kyrielight's voice actress has been replaced with Rie Takahashi as Risa Taneda remains on hiatus to recover from illness. Taneda's other roles remain unchanged
- Class dailies have been updated to include new material drops
>New bond CEs:
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info/news.php#20161005


>Dropmaps
http://imgur.com/a/6nXq9

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA

>Mega Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk

>TLs Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/cJ9J0t45

>Friendlist Spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q7PleXm4aQWpc0-fvUhS-p9LMoept7nc5WtwkCUX0os

>Wiki
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.info

>Alternate servant/CE DB
http://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/servant.html

>CMs
http://www.mediafire.com/download/960gn6g6w2p0l8q/FGO+Material+I.zip
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wj405jjjc9ly94e/FGO+Material+II.zip
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>>156957420
>[7 Million Downloads Celebration! from 10.6 to 10.13]
- 7 day special login bonuses, summon ticket each day
- 1/2 AP for Interlude, Strengthen, & Mystic Code Quests
- Daily free FP summon is upgraded to 10x free FP summon
- Daily rewards have changed from Dragon Teeth to Unlucky Bones
- Leveled CEs will now retain their accumulated EXP when being used to reinforce another CE
- Great Success & Super Success Rate Doubled

>[7 Million Downloads gacha]
Servant
- 5* Jeanne D'Arc Alter [Avenger, Limited]
CEs
- 3* Fragarach: Increase star absorption rate by 200%
- 3* Reverse Moon of Heaven: Receive 1 critical star each turn, Increase debuff resistance by 5%
- 3* Hydra Dagger: Increase instant kill rate by 5%

>[Servent Strengthening Quests Part 5!]
- Sasaki Kojirou [Assassin]: Sense of Subtle Elegance B++: Increase critical star rate (3 turns), Increase star absorption rate (3 turns)
- Cu Chulainn [Caster]: Primal Rune: Increase NP gauge
- Caesar [Saber]: Incitement EX: Increase critical star rate (3 turns)
- Cu Chulainn (Proto) [Lancer]: Beast Killer: increases star absorption rate (3 turns)
- Emiya [Archer]:Eye of the Eagle: 100% Star-gen and crit power up (3 turns)
- Gold Lancer
- Gold Saber
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Okita-san~
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Best archer
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>max ascended, fou'd, NP2 Liz

who Liz here
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Details in the Creator's talk:
-Before the fix for the finale, the number of people who cleared was just a few hundred
-Unknown Spirits with 4 stars to be added (however not done in the same manner as 5 star ones)
-Event confirmed to be held in 4 cities
-To be announced on Niconico at the start of November (To do something different than usual)
-New Emiya Animation (Noble Phantasm as well as standard animations, character remodeling. Release is still way ahead)
-Scenario for chapter 7 is finished. A lot of content to be expected. At least 1.5 times of Chapter 6.
-"If we talk Fate, we have to talk about THAT character" to be added
-More info on tomorrow's event to be revealed
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LIZ THREAD
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JK Tamamo
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>>156957564
I have Assasin Liz and lancer liz.
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What did he mean by this?
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>>156957604
>THAT character
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what a qt
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>>156957604
I feel like this is entirely bullshit but I hope not.
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>>156957643
i also have a maxed out Carmilla

tfw no caster liz though
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>>156957664
He became one with the shitpost.
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>>156957623

Best slut, would marry my dick to her.
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>>156957706
Narita was tweeting part of it as well, so it should all be true.
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>>156957706
There's no official statement yet as it's stuff said at a talk event, but more than one person are reporting this stuff on twitter. So unless it's some big conspiracy it's true.
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>yfw you choose EMIYA as your free 4*
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>>156957623
Suzuka does it better.
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>>156957713
Good man.
Liz is Liz, even if she puts on a mask.
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>>156957604
I am the boner of my sword
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So would Jeanne Alter make a NP5 Siegfried worth it?
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>>156957757
>>156957758

In that case i'm hyped. Emiya was my first Golden Archer and i've been waiting to break him back out.
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>>156957838
Not really since Siegfried is ass dragon-trait or not
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>>156957873
J-just you wait. Sumani will be super buffed once the Apo event starts.
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>>156957838

Only if Siegfried gets a taunt or some other major skill buff in this next gold saber strengthening.
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>>156957674
please dont post my wife
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>>156957838
He will get 3 turn 100% Buster buff soon
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Can we just fast forward to Fionn's buff already?
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>>156958061

It's like 40 fucking minutes until it arrives, jesus

Go watch a couple youtube videos or some shit
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>>156957769
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>>156958061
I think you mean Liz.
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>>156958061
as long as it's not liz
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>>156958043
He will get some more healing in his Disengage and some meme damage cut.
You know this is true.
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>>156958061
>Can we just fast forward to Liz's buff already?
Fixed. And the answer is no.
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>>156958061
>>156958107
>>156958193
>>156958240
>>156958256
It'll be LAlter.
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>>156958240
It's gonna be Liz. And the buff will be to either her Charisma or her Torture Techniques. I'm betting on the latter.
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xth for OTP
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Good night /fgog/ sleep tight
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>>156957606
not liz
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>>156958367
Guess I'll join you anon.
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>>156957769
Suzuka is also worse wife material than Tamamo by an extreme margin since she's confirmed to cheat on you
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>>156958351
Shes going to upgrade her Battle Continuation into Performance Continuation from her Caster version.
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>>156958367
I really regret not saving the Shirou edit of this.
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>>156958351
I highly doubt she'd get a Torture Techniques buff even though the skill could use one when that'd mean she'd have higher torture than Carmilla.

Unless they spin it as a brand new 'skill' to represent her singing being awful instead of just a rank up in which case yeah, go ahead.
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>>156957604
>-"If we talk Fate, we have to talk about THAT character" to be added
Who are they talking about?
Saber is already in the game.
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Me on the left
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>>156958440
I completely forgot there even was a difference. But now that you mentioned it, yeah, seems plausible.
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>>156958557

>their faces when you walk up and whip out your dick

It's rude to do so when a slut (male) is doing up his hair.
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>>156958541
Her personal cook in Avalon and portable fuckboy.
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>>156958541
Rin/Sakura as demi-servants

alternatively they're going to add Shirou as a demi-servant out of nowhere
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>>156958375
KIYO THREAD
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>>156958685
Liz a shit
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>>156958625
Fou is not a slut
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>>156958719
take that back
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>>156957604
>Unknown Spirits
They're saying blank saint graphs for 4* will be added, but you'll get them in a different way you do for 5*.
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>>156958672
Shirou could easily be construed as Emiya Alter, so it might not be out of nowhere if they take that route.
There's no rule saying alters have to be dark and edgy, just that they are different aspects of servants, I believe.
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>tfw Raita tried his best to sweetalk DW and ended up giving us welfare Kintoki

Based
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>>156958630
>>156958672
Pls no, his harem power is too stronk.
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>>156958753
Why does that matter to Kiyo?
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>>156958827
I'm thinking way too hard about this, but wouldn't Shuten have horns even as a child?
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>>156958827
>No Mama rerelease

Not good enough!
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>>156958036
This is my wife.
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>>156958935
>cucked by a pegasus
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when are we getting a 4* executioner sanson
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>>156958971
His wife is the pegasus.
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>>156958883
delete this
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>>156958672
Shirou would be GREAT
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How good is Kojiro now? Worth using for things other than swallow hunting?
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>>156958935
Your wife dresses like a slut, it's arousing me.
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>>156959021
>cucked by meduseless
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Were you able to beat every exhibition match, /fgog/?
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>>156959001
This isn't his 3rd form !!! Aargh !
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>>156958796
I could get behind this, so long as its actually possibly to make use of, unlike the 5* version
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>>156958898
Shuten is originally a human in most of her story.
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>>156959046
Couldn't beat Gil or Nero, not command seals left.
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>>156959046
Yes, thanks to based CuZilla
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>>156959001
White Day
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>>156959046
3 hours ago. Support Gil nuclearised the thing.
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>>156958752

Says you, I throatfucked him last night and he loved it

He said he'd bring his cousin Kyubey over tomorrow.
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>>156959046
Of course, what kind of filthy casual do you take me for?
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Post 4* Avenger candidates
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>>156959001
I thought that was d'Eon. Would still fug.
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>>156959001
Danganronpa collab
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>>156959167
this, also did it pre nerf.
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>>156959001
>2*
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Nobu a CUTE.
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>>156959190
I don't know about Avenger but Moses would be a 4* Ruler
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>>156958672
>Shirou added to the game as a demi servant
>NP is the Jackhammer
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>>156959247
>Moses
>4*
>When Amakusa is a 5*
>When Ozzy is a 5*
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>>156959247
>Moses
>Literally talked to God
>A 4 *
He'd be a 5
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Do you think Lucifer could be the Grand Avenger?
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>>156958935
please stop
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>>156957604
>THAT character

Incoming 5* MATOU WAKAME
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>>156959247
You mean 3* so I can roll him easily
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>want to Grail Ascend Emiya to lvl 90
>I know I'll never use him because I already have Gil at lvl 100

What do
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>THAT character
Enkidu?
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STILL NO CE DROP, SHIT
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>>156959046
Every quest on the first try (not blind).

Save for the last quest before it got patched, I came close to beating it though on the second try. After it got patched, it too went easily without needing command spells.
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>>156958672
Shirou being a demi servant as Sengo Muramasa would be amazing.

Alternatively have Emiya Alter be a Shirou who never became brown, smug, nor red and stayed a ginger of justice.
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>>156959445
To be fair a grailed Emiya is much better than Gil now. Unless you're fighting 3 servants maybe. But Emiya's crits are no joke.
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I love my Seigi no Mikata!
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>>156957604
>my husband might be added to the game
Oh god please let it happen DW.
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>>156957604
>If we talk Fate, we have to talk about THAT character
Taiga will finally be added as bronze saber? It was about time.
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>>156959445
dont grail him
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>>156959445
Why would you never use him? He could easily fill backlines or even using him and Gil together.
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>>156959445
DO IT
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>>156959520
>not Myroom servant
>lvl 6 bond
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>>156959046
Yes.
Post nerf
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>>156959490
>The character you think of when you speak of Fate.
>Enkidu

nigga what?
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>>156959247
Making Moses a 4 * would be like making Enkidu a 4*.
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>>156959445
Burn Gil, obviously.
Now you need Emiya, problem solved.
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>>156959490
It has to be Kotomine
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>>156959590
I actually favorited him after the screenshots, and pls bring back bond quests
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>>156959445
Save them for Shirou
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>>156959490
Go to sleep, Gil
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>>156959509
Shirou is most likely going to be Mumyo/Mumei, it would actually be beneficial for someone like him instead of frying himself utilizing muramasa or masamune and gimping himself with originals.

That been said I really hope we don't get a demi shirou.
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>>156959445
20AP is the best place to farm daily Silver Saber pieces right
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>>156959445
Also forgot to say that he's NP 5
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I still have to beat the Nero Quest.
What's the cheesiest way to beat it?
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Who /saving for Shirou/ here?
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>>156959816
>wants to grail a servant
>not a single fou
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>>156959816
>not even fou'd
>already considering grailing him
Dumb Gilposter.
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>>156959816
I need more rate - ups senpai
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>>156959846
I've got 40 quartz currently but I'm preparing myself for failure and crippling depression leading to buying or trading an account.
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>>156959671
Please, no. If they make Kotomine a servant I will use all my Quartz.
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>>156959846
I am now.
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>>156959509
What if Emiya Alter is a Shirou that was saved by Kotomine instead of Kiritsugu and became a Church Executor
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>>156959520
I love my dog!
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>>156959986
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Why does Carmilla have such a low powerlevel compared to Liz who can handle Gilgamesh by herself?
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http://dangerousminds.net/comments/mata_hari_photographs_of_the_original_femme_fatale
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>>156959846
The Prototype gacha won't be here anytime soon, so I'm more than ready to drop all of my quartz for best boy.
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>>156959520
>not 10/10/10
>not max bond
>not NP5

>>156960019
>not max grail'd
>not max bond

FAKERS.
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>>156959986
>literally has two dads
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>>156960019
I wish I wasn't a gameplay fag so I would've grailed Cu.
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>tfw no Jannu Alter
When do you think she'll come back?
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>>156960045
Amakusa is cool but he's not Shirou and you know it
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>10:59 am
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Alter Buffs incoming
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How do demi servants and alter egos work
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>>156960159
It was a joke dude, I love them both but I know they're completely different.
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>>156960190
>7:59 am
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Brynn upgrade inc
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>>156960131
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>>156960113
Flat!
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All these dumb Shirou lovers ready to roll for him acting like they won't get cucked by Artoria, Rin, and Sakura.
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>>156959986
It could also be a full Mind of Steel Shirou that went edgier than Kiritsugu
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>>156960141
>Grailed Cu is one of the best lancers in the game, forgetting his decent NP.
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>>156959986
I read that fanfic.
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I can't fucking wait for it to be revealed as Saber so I can see the tears.

If you are unironically getting hyped up for Shirou because of the phrase 'that character', you are an idiot.
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IS IT LIZ'S TIME TO SHINE?
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>>156960190
>17:02
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>>156960241
I would whale for a Haado gay servant
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>>156960259
I like Shirou as a character and ship him with those that make sense though, he does have a harem after all.
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FIONN BUFF
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>>156960271
I don't have a use for him though, his 'thing' is survival but I already have an NP3 Herc who does it better.
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>Liz gets the buff
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LIZ THREAD
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>>156960262
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>16:03
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Liz time
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trying to farm gold medals with nobu is way more painful than i'd have thought, my np1 atalanta is better than her, is there anything shes good at besides killing faber?
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3rd damn drop this event. It's not enough to LB and get the same amount of drops and it's so late it doesn't matter anyway. RNG is bullshit i'd rather some other anon get this shit.
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LIZ
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>>156960329
What Saber though? Nero Alter? Okita lily?
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>>156960416
Annnnnd it's shit!
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>>156960416
WHAT IS IT
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>>156960442
Nobu isn't good at anything.
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>>156960416
I want to have consensual anal sex with Liz!
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>>156960416
What does it mean?
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>>156960416
>>156960510
>>156960526
>attack up for other females

AHAHAHHAHAHA
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>>156960416
trash for trash.
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>>156960470
This Saber.
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>>156960470
Tsukihime Remake Arcueid
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>>156960470
Seibah in some new class or form. Grand Saber or something original.
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>>156960546
Millions of times better than for males, this is just GOLDEN.
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>>156960546
Great for my Jannu team.
I only use girls aside from Vlad anyway.
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>>156960416
>atk up all allies
>atk up for female allies
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>>156960329
It's not Shiroufags being stupid, it makes no sense to hype up a character who is already in the game.
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>>156960586
Berserker lion arturia?
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>>156960546
For or against?
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>>156960442
Nobu is for crits, not np or making stars. You really need someone that give her stars if not she is pretty bad.

I still find her better than talanta and her "do your np+skill, now die pls you useless cat"
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>>156960546
>Shuten can take all of the double charisma buffs full effect
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>>156960546
this, my sides
>using females
>using liz
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>>156960517
How mean, she's good at being cute.

>>156960442
Yes, killing riders and any type of divine being.
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>>156960635
For.

>>156960619
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>>156960546
>Using guys in the first place
Gay
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>>156960416
They are really forcing the jannu+liz combo huh
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>>156960635
For, just like every other version of charisma2.0

>>156960660
>being gae
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Idoru Liz is now more charismatic than King Arthur, Gawain, Minamoto no Yoshitsune, Julius Caesar, and Alexander the Great.
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>>156960646
Stop badtalking Atlanta you faggot.
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>>156960554
I actually love protoSaber design but his Excallibur looks so bad, protoSaber with Arturia's Excallibur would be perfect
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>>156960416
That's not bad actually.
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meh
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>>156960623
>it makes no sense for them to hype up the most popular character they own
She already has 6 alts in game with at least one more coming. A new version of Seibah is the exact kind of thing TM hypes up.
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LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZ THREAAAAAAD
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>>156960714
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>>156960752

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>156960546
>tfw most of the parties I make are reverse harems.
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>>156960752
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>>156960442
I'll take her off your hands
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>Charisma of Sadism
>buffs females
kinky
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>>156960752
It's okay I guess. Still not really pushing her into good tier, but at least she has something going for her.
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>>156960752
>40%
So like usual huh
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>>156960752
Basically Jeanne alter's charisma skill but better.
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>>156960752
>lizshitters on suicide watch
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>>156960796
>tfw all of the parties I make are all male
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>>156960714
The fuck are you on about? Arturia's Excalibur is shit looking. Literally looks like a dollar store paper toy and doesn't even have a pommel. EXcalibur at least looks like a holy sword.
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>>156960752
What's the name of the Skill?
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>people call dragonwitch great
>people call liz's new charisma bad
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>>156960423
This, Edgy Shirou a shit.
prisma Shirou is better than MoS at not being a Seigi no Mikata
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Who else /didn'tclearevent/ here? For me the 100% guaranteed hard crashes on the most recent 40 AP maps when clearing the pre-boss stage means I can't grind for gold medals or petals.
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>>156960752

I don't have a redman smug enough for this
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>>156960752
>she can get a 80% atk boost if paired with Jeanne Alter
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>>156960714
>his Excallibur looks so bad
>Arturia's Excalibur is perfect
Holy shit this is a new level of garbage taste I have seen in these threads
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with so many goood female dps in this game, liz buff is pretty good, Jalter and raikou can hit even harder now.
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>Lizfags on suicide watch
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So now that we get that the upgrade for Liz is shit, who's the lucky gold Saber tomorrow?

Please be Alter
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>>156960753
Seibah is no longer hype worthy though. I can't even remember the last time people were actually hype for her anything in GO.
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>get man Diaz
>Realize his summoning line is a reference to Shelley's poem
Fucking based
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>>156960948
>>156961001
The handle is cool but the blade is too overdesigned IMO
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>>156961027
It'll be Altera
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>>156960752
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>Babylon is finished
>1.5 times longer than Camelot
Sasuga
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>>156959846
Saving for Amakusa.
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Hurry up with Sumanai buff
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>>156961027
Sumanai is the only choice
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>>156961052
Literally a few weeks ago with Summer. Even people in /fgog/, eternally contrarian, were whaling for her.
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>>156960971

>implying anyone ever called dragonwitch great

>implying Liz having one single skill that is sometimes as good as dragonwitch makes her good now
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>>156960752
it is a shit
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>>156960971
It's not that the skill itself is bad, it's that Liz is bad. She needed something significant to make her good. This is a mediocre skill that doesn't save her. You don't use Jeanne for dragon witch either, it's just a bonus.
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>>156961027
Sumanai, will finally get a taunt and damage reduction along with an increased np gain
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>>156960971
Dragon witch is just a bonus. It could be shit or not there at all and JAlter would still be a top tier Servant. It's "icing-on-the-cake"-tier.

Liz desperately needed some sort of buff, something like own NP damage up, a.k.a mini-Shuten.
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>>156961027
>40% party attack up for most of the fight is shit
Retard.
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>>156960971
Only fucking idiots call dragonwitch good and level it over Jeanne's 1st and 3rd skill
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>>156960714
Arturia's excalibur looks like a fucking toy. Artur's excalibur looks overdesigned, thought.
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>>156960976
Because becoming a Villain to protect your imouto>becoming Kiritsugu
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>>156961124
>Wanted Caster Cake because of her design
>Got both her and swimsuit king of knights in my first and only 10 roll of that part of the event
I wasn't disappointed, to say the least.
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>Emiya gets the best buff again

Sasuga red man
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>blank Saint graphs for 4* will function differently from 5*
How do you guys think is going to work?
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>Lily buff that makes her stats better
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>>156960961
Sadist's Charisma A
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>>156961080

i kinda agree

those golden squares are really unnecessary
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Anyone with a Kintoki + Bride CE that I can add? Need help with the final exhibition quest.
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>>156961000
If only it wasn't Liz.
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>>156961124
I was under the impression those were gameplayfags wanting a good Archer. Not actually wanting another Arturia.
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>>156960971
>a charisma buff makes assassin snek a choice compared to actual good servants
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>>156961209
Instead of getting one token with every extra servant burned, you get 1/7th of a token that you need to fuse in another window.
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>>156961209
20 saint grafts for one random 4* servant
the random servant can be one you already have 5 copies of
buy more quartz goy
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>>156961156
I wish Sumanai and Sanzou switched skills with a few adjustments
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>>156961231
I thought those are the seal restraint
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>>156960709
More than that.

Full list of Servants with Charisma who are less charismatic than Liz:
Alexander the Great
Amakusa Shirou
Arturia Pendragon (all versions)
Arthur Pendragon
David
Gaius Julius Caesar
Gawain
Hippolyta
Jeanne d'Arc
Medb
Mordred
Nobunaga Oda
Ramesses the Great
Ushiwakamaru (Minamoto no Yoshitsune)
Toyotomi Hideyoshi
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>>156961231
>>156961080
That's just the sealed form. It's almost like a sharp sheath.
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>Liz's strengthening quest involves her beating up the entire Extella Cast
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>>156961209
You get to pick any not limited 4* CE for 10 4* servant graphs.
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>>156961258
The gameplayfags were pretty vocal but they didn't appear until after she came out since datamine was kill. The hype for her gacha was all seibahfags, who are the most numerous and come out of the woodwork whenever something happens with her, even if you don't normally notice them.
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>>156961345
Because they are not a sadist?
Its called Sadistic's Charisma now.
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PROOF THAT LIZ IS BEST GIRL
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>>156961000
Too bad there are still stronger lancers even if she has an 80% buff.
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>>156961168

The problem isn't that the skill itself is shit, it's just nothing special and definitely nowhere near good enough to bring Liz into good territory.
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>>156961395
So it was just Saberfags that hyped her then? Yeah I can get that.
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>>156961358
and that's the form we see the most so eh
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So we get nothing until November?
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>>156961120
>There'll be a maintenance before we'll be able to see the next buff.
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>>156961512
to be fair Arturia's regular form is an invisible excalibur
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>>156961080
I like the design. Looks holy as fuck.
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>Rider Kintoki was originally not planned for the onigashima event, but the illustrator wanted to draw rider Kintoki so they added him.
I Raita the greatest fate artist?
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>>156961457
Lesbian parties!

>>156961481
You can just use Liz as a battlesuit switch, she does her buff, torture on an enemy and then you launch the main damage dealer's NP, she's an alright support.
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You're a big sord.

https://twitter.com/ys59635963/status/785138220983947264
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>>156961593

Did you learn nothing from The Last Crusade?

Actual holy shit isn't covered in gold and ornaments. That's all Catholic Church corruption.
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>>156961519
We're getting announcement of the October event tomorrow.
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>>156960416
Charisma → Sadist's Charisma
ATK up
ATK of female party members except self UP (3 turns)
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>>156961571
Arthur has invisible Excalibur too.
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>>156961027
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>>156961725
>except self up
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>>156961601
>Shuten looks retarded
>Yorimitsu is literally an ugly tit monster

Nope
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>>156961791
isn't his invincible air much more powerful than Artoria's?
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If Liz's new Charisma also buffed herself, would she be good?
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>>156961725

>female party members except self

Everyone go home, it's even worse than first assumed
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>>156961834
Probably not. I'm pretty sure their powerlevel is supposed to be the same.
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>>156961725
it a shit
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>>156961802
>her 2nd skill is basically useless and Scat has Okita's third skill included in her first

It really needs some sort of buff. It's so useless. I still leveled it to 10.
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>>156961725
>not include herself
Its shit
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>>156961828
He should only draw men
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>>156961725
>except self
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>>156961725

Hold on, is the ATK up party wide or only Liz?
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>>156961834
Is it? I guess it'd need to be though, since he can't just spam minicaliburs or Excaliblasts in battle.
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>>156961834
Pretty much everything about him is better. He doesn't need Prana Burst to achieve his stats as they are on his page, he's actually really skilled and goes toe to toe with a Gilgamesh who can fight with skill in close range, and his Invisible Air is more powerful. Oh, and he can cook.
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>>156961975
>what is Charisma
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Pretty rad redman

https://twitter.com/aokawa_trpg/status/785139732095184896
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Liz's buff makes sense, the recent 40% charisma skills do not fully apply to the user anyways.
>Jeanne Alter
>Not part dragon
>Medb
>Not male
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>>156962018

No pussy, 0/10
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>>156961345
At least is just ushi and not adult ushi (?)
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>>156962057
How bout Stheno's Divine
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>>156961992
He can apparently use a weaker form of Excaliblast without having to remove all of the seals.

>>156962067
Boi pussy/10
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>>156961818
>>156961878
>>156961907
>>156961969
How is it any different from both Medb and Jeanne Alter's charisma buffs, neither of their secondary effects hit the user
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>>156962057
Stheno's does though.
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When's Jason, though?
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>>156962057
You forgot Stheno, but she's so shit it's ok.
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>>156962057
>shilling Liz
Fuck off
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>>156962043

No you mong

Translation doesn't specify if the ATK up is self only or party wide

If it's self only then it's even worse than charisma
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>>156961725
>female party members except self UP
>except self
Liz confirmed for trap.
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>>156961725
I knew this, I still laugh everytime.
knowing stheno is better than this
>lizfags suiciding in mass numbers
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>>156962127
He is going to be a 4* Craft Essence
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>>156961902
Arturia needs Prana Burst for her stats to be worth anything. She's noted as being pretty weak without it, even losing to Tohsaka in strength. Arthur has his strength naturally with added Prana Burst on top of it.
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>>156962057
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>>156962127
Not soon enough
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>>156960948
Artoria's Excalibur design IS meant to be less designed and more functionality in combat, Caliburn gets the design as a symbol of the king and less functionality opposite of Excalibur. It is mentioned many times in the VN and fate side materials, secondary fag, go read the VN.
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>>156962117
Those buffs are also shit. Suck it up Lizfag.
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>>156961969
I want to be Lady Yupiel's consort.
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>>156962127
How come all the servants I want aren't playable god damn it.
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>>156962127
The last two are definitely sprite only. They don't have the power of other servants in any sense.
At least in Jason's case, Agravaine is debatable as he beat Lancelot using drugs at the cost of his life.
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>>156962127
Who's the chick on 2nd top left?
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>>156962235
those fucking fingers
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>>156962057

Makes sense?

Not only does it not make her any better in a fight than she was before, there are better options for partywide buffing that also come with better Servants attached to them in the first place.
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>>156962238
And guess what? It still looks like shit and Arthur's fancy looking one is just as strong.
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>>156962261
Which ones do you want?
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>>156962067
He's bro material not waifu material
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>>156962204
>there are more divine servants than females
You don't even need suicide, your brain is already dead.
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>>156962127
Why isn't Morgan Freeman included there?
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>>156962273
Isn't it sad, not Sacchin?
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>>156960948
i like how Ornate the sealed form looks like.
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>>156962362
calm your tush bby
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>>156962273
Nezha
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>>156962165
Skill was originally Charisma, with party atk up
Buff just increased the atk %.
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>>156962352
Holmes, Merlin, King Hassan, and Sita (just because I want to reunite with Rames)
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>>156962362

>ATK up is Liz only
>female ATK up is everyone but Liz

Anon you could bring way better Servants who just have Charisma at A rank and they're still more useful than she is

All this buff did was increase the max percentage buff value possible and made it only benefit females instead of any party
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>>156962127
Even though I have plenty of Sabers, I am so whaling for King Hassan. Wish he was Assassin though. I do need one of those.
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>have Karna & Scat
T-thanks for the quartz, now go back to your corner.
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>>156961725
Would be funny if it didn't give the ATK up to Halloween Liz and Carmilla
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>>156962329
>everyone has Waver
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>Last part of Liz's quest is beating up Nero, Emiya, and Li
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>>156962238
>more functionality in combat
>doesn't even have a pommel
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>>156962429
Kill yourself, retard.

>>156962490
>>ATK up is Liz only
>>female ATK up is everyone but Liz
A new, bigger retard shows up.
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>>156962127
Still waiting on Holmes and Merlin. King Hassan would be cool, but he's a Grand, so that's a no go for the foreseeable future.
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>>156962272
Jason could be a 3* tanky Rider with rank EX charisma
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>>156962127
Fuck. I already see Enkidu being Sprite only for Babylon and not being released for another 2 months or more.
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>>156962127
Can't wait for Tail Red and kung fu Sacchin.
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>>156962117
Are you really trying to make Liz look good by comparing her to Medb?
Jeanne Alter is good because of other reasons.
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>>156962557
>>156961725

Read it fag
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>>156962598
He's going to be the helper and in the first gacha you retard
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so is liz good now?
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>>156962238
I'm reading the VN and I still think it looks like shit. The points that justify don't change this.
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>>156962690
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>156962539
They should have made it only boost M servants.
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>>156962658
>I'm a retarded EOP
Double retard.
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>>156962690
No, but she can still handle Gilgamesh by herself.
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>>156962690
No, just slightly less shit
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enkidu
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>>156962541

Yeah, a big ol' 20% girls only ATK buff is so much better than the 16-20% party wide ATK buffs you can get anywhere else.
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>>156962690
Like Stheno,she doesn't change much
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>>156962690
>Is liz good now
poor boy
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>>156962796
ugly
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>>156962798
>20% girls only attack buff
>not 40%
>hi ma how do i maths

Kill yourself retard
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>>156962796
>they killed the dog
Did Araki take over?
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>>156962798
>still being this wrong
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>>156962798
Female/Traps get 40% buff,except Liz and Males
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>>156962725

>ATK up
>nothing says it's party wide
>ATK up for females that aren't Liz

Who's the EOP here?
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>>156962861
beautiful
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I'm glad Babylon is a while off. This general is always so terrible when a new story event comes out.
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>>156962235
I though this was Caster Gil at first.
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>>156962937
>still posting kuro after redman buffs
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>>156962686
Why are you calling me a retard? Is it confirmed that he's the helper?
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>>156963002
It's almost always terrible. We just get rare times of good discussion and non-faggotry.
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>>156962865
>>156962937

>Lizfags so horridly BTFO they're shitposting at full steam

Just like Killary shills
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>>156962330
It doesn't make sense in Iore faggot, Excalibur was always meant to be for combat purposes and created without any fancy design proto excalishit had. Well your just a secondary so that's understandable you lack brain cells to understand such simple reason.
>>156962552
>implying all swords in all eras need to have a pommel to be functional in combat.
Wow you just gains a (You), excellent.
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>>156962984
>全体
>nothing says it's party wide
I'm not tired yet, I'll call you a retarded EOP again.

>Who's the EOP here?
You.
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>>156963002
It's better than when nothing is going on.
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>>156962984
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>>156963129
We both know that's bullshit.
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>>156962984
What are you on about?
Its atk up for all allies+atk up for Female(except Liz)
Liz/Males get 20%,female get 40% simple as that
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Is EOP the SAME AS ESL?
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>>156963101
Liz gives 2 buffs
1 Atk up ALL 20%
1 Atk up females (except self) 20%
So that's 40% for the females in the party.
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>>156963101
>EOP retard is also a /pol/tard
Makes sense.
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>>156962984
>hey let's buff Liz by replacing her Charisma by a Charisma that only applies to females.
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>>156963101
>can't into simple addition

Sasuga Americafag.
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>>156963002
That's wrong though.
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>>156962705
>can't even understand the simple concept behind why it's design was meant to be bland looking compared to it's sister swords.
Oh hello kid, I'm an 8 years old and I read the VN too... How mature right?
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>>156957604
>"If we talk Fate, we have to talk about THAT character"
Either Saber again or Shirou, hopefully it is Shirou.
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>>156963086
I don't know why I said that I got a little edgy

The sub titles of every single order have referenced the Orders helper.

Babylonia's subtitle is "The Chain of Heaven"
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>>156963214
>b-b-but the translation posted earlier doesn't specify the generic attack up is for EVERYONE

Don't bother anon, either he's got brain damage worse than brain damage anon or he's just trolling.
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>>156963112
>getting this mad over a sword
Calm your ESL-self down, friend.
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>>156963230
So that's basically most Servants. Even if you're gay and actually use male servants, it's a known fact that female gold servants vastly outnumber male ones in this game.
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Tamamo is stronger than Liz and Tamamo is a 9 while an A rank Servant is a 100
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>>156963345
Nigga stop getting so assblasted and actually read the words on the screen. I can understand perfectly fine. Doesn't mean I still don't think the sword design is shit. Do you understand? Do I need to type this into ebonics for you?
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Who ready for Lily's buff here?!
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>>156960416
KOI NO BEATO! DORAGON SUKEIRU~
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>>156963397
you're pretty insecure
also
>wasting a slot on liz
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>>156963567

Enjoy the 24 hours of anxiety

Feels good /havingnoshittysabers/
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>>156963508
What did he mean by this?
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>Liz boss is Nero
But what about their joint recital?
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>>156963567
>they buff Seiba so she's in league with the other 5* instead
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>>156963641
I got all the Arturias and Neros, but I like Lily the most so Im still awaiting her buff
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>>156963361
Ah, nice catch, didn't notice that.
I hope that you are right, I suffer every limited gatcha that goes and I can´t roll because I have to hoard quartz.
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>>156963390
>Can't even give a reason why it's shit and doesn't fit the setting
>U Mad bro?
>Ha! That show him! I won!
Phew, now I know what kind of subhuman trash you are. Nice meme, faggot.
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>>156962796
Enkidu is cute! CUTE!
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>>156963567
>It's Saber Alter and makes her outright better than 5* Arturia
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Will his dream come true?
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>>156963567
I'm ready for sumanai buff
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>>156963817
What if all he gets is extra damage against dragons?
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>>156963817
Why is Liz there?
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>>156963567
What if is Nero? After all is her Event.
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>>156963518
Whatever, subhuman faggot.
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My favorite part about these arguments against a retard is that when evidence shows up, the idiot just vanishes or starts making up excuses
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>>156963817
Maybe
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>>156963641
>Rama was my first golden saber

It's a nice feeling having a reliable guy like him on my side
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>>156963930
Cute dragon.
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>>156963697
Here's Liz's buff if you couldn't understand.
1 Atk up for all
1 atk up for females (except self)
So only Jannu gets the 2nd one.
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>>156963753
good luck on getting him when hes finally released anon
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>>156963756
I wasn't arguing with you though. You seemed close to having a meltdown, but sure, you won this "argument" that no one other than you was taking seriously.
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>>156963567
DW memory isn't so good and will probably just think of her as arriving in January for Saber Wars, so she'd be disqualified from the "focus on original batch of Servants" thing they have going on
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>>156963930
Dragondick make dragonpussy wet
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what kind of strenghtening quest would make Siegfried viable anyway

A 3 turn taunt, or defense buff maybe.
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>Sumanai gets taunt and +30% defense up and +10% NP up added to dragon slayer

Would it be enough to make him good?
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>>156963948
>can't even take that people have different opinions
>just reverts to using insults
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Soon
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>>156964090
>A 3 turn taunt, or defense buff maybe
Wouldn't that just turn him into D'Eon?
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>>156964119
he should just get something to swap his attack and HP for 3 turns
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>>156964073
How dragon blooded would their offspring be?
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I wonder if the eventual CCC event will be a really long event after part 1 of the main story. They could really go all out and basically make it its own order if they wanted.
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>>156963998
Thanks senpai.
Good luck for you too and I hope you get the servants that you await.
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>>156964212
Fuck off CCCfag
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>>156964164
If anything Gil should be sitting on Enkidu's lap.
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>>156964013
>I w-wasnt arguing with y-you anyways...
>I'll just post something t-to show h-him... Uhm... I'm not MAD!
Ah... Subhuman trashes, never change...
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>>156963905
I hope he gets a ridiculous buff against dragons so he at least has a niche
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>>156964090
A skill that inflict Dragon trait to all enemy is arguably the best type.
Now he get free 30% def and 80% atk buff.

But its too complex for DW,so enjoy your damage cut for 1 turn instead,
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>>156964016
She's a welfare Servant so she's automatically disqualified.
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I want to fuck Enkidu
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>>156964259
thank you too anon

i have already accepted i will fail to roll shirou and im ready to buy an account
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>>156964212
Holy shit, fuck off CCCfag
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>>156963905
That would be one of the worst things to give him

Considering that his problems lie more with what I call Early FGO Syndrome, with a pitiful ATK stat that he was built with in mind to only really be a counter to Orleans Story back then.

It also shows in that his NP1 Balmung only does 300% which most decent/good Buster NPs start at 500%

Unless they change his ATK stat or give him a valuable NP Strengthening, I don't think he'll ever perform well beyond his anti-dragon trait

other sufferers of EFGOS:
Emiya
Martha
Liz
Lily Saber
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>>156964276
>>156964379
wut
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>0 quartz and no Alter Jeanne
>know that I will be unprepared for future gachas
it hurts
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>>156964328
There's always a first for everything and welfare servants can get new things too, see Halloween Liz.
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Meltfag?
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>>156964151
>Can't even justify why something is shit
>"i-it's just my... opinion! Yeah just my opinion! "
Really? Is that all? Can't even use your brain cell, kid?
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>>156964435
>rolling the bait gacha
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>>156964414

Balmung being low damage would be fine if he had ways to boost his NP gauge quickly, as if he's really spamming it like he's supposed to lorewise
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>>156964284
Go on and keep spouting trash, anon. I' sure I'll get as triggered as you.
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>>156964362
Go to sleep Gil
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>>156964304
>I hope he gets a ridiculous buff against dragons

Nigga 80% anti-buff is a huge deal,thats not counting buff from his NP.
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>>156964430
Its a samefagging shitposter
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>>156964509
>not rolling for Alter Jeanne
anon..
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>>156964579
>what are post times
fuck off CCCfag
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>>156964514
That would be fine as well if he can get it every other turn ideally, but the fact that he has low ATK and no raw Attack up skills, that 300% is not multiplying a lot of damage
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>>156964514
"Just use Golden Rule+his bond CE goys :^)" is what DW telling you to do
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>>156964440
What'd she get?
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Is 40ap2 really the best spot for gold metals, because I only just got 22
This is awful
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>>156964626
Keep crying anon im sure someone will care
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The sexiest.
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>>156964284
Not that guy but you really shouldn't take things too seriously.
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>>156964547
>"I'm not triggered you know?"
>keeps replying back
Man, what irony! Really nice!
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>>156964505
>Wah! People can't have different opinions! My shitposting needs to be validated!
You need to be 18+ to be here, you know.
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>>156964643
A (shitty) bond CE.
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>>156964570
If only his atk wasn't shit
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>>156964505
One look at the fucking bent block of a crossguard should already tell why the sword looks like shit.
Then look at Caliburn, you can tell it doesn't look like a toy like Excalibur does.
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>>156964664
First event in this game where I don't care to empty the shop, cause the droprate is complete horseshit. Just farm petals.
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>>156957604
>"THAT character
Arceuid?
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>>156964514
>they put NP charge on his Golden Rule
Kill me
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>>156964684
the cuckiest
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>>156964635

So basically he needs like at least three or four different effects to become viable. ATK up, NP up (or an NP interlude), Taunt and possibly defense up on top of that

I don't think they're gonna cram that many effects into the same skill.

I'm sorry. I think Siegfried is doomed to mediocrity.
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>>156964684
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>>156964414
His NP starts at 300% like all the other NP without NP Interludes and after it would be at 400% like all the post interlude buff ones, but alas he doesn't have one even after 2 Interludes.
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>>156964704
>Keeps spouting trash cause he can't handle people having different opinions
Keep going, kid. Those exclamation marks really show your age.
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>>156964597
Then you have no one but yoursef to blame.
You should at least saved a few tickets and pray that future gachas come with ticket missions.
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>>156964747
I need the 500 prisms for Mashu ce.
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>>156964597
Gil really should've been paired up with Rin as a Servant, he solves all her problems.
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Next buff will be for Saber or Alter.
The next Saber event will upgrade Alter's Animation and maybe even Lily's?
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>>156964414
>which most decent/good Buster NPs start at 500%

All AoE Buster NP start at 300% without interlude,the only irregular one is Alter(450%) and Arash(600%)
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>>156957623

I want to fuck a promiscuous highschool fox girl
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>>156964751
Literally who?
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>>156964935
The petal gatcha gives more than enough if you also burn the silver exp you know
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>>156964812
He either becomes a Tank, because thanks to the 9k Atk at lv80 w/ max fous he isn't gonna hurt anything else than dragon trait enemies
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>>156964690
>being serious in an Anonymous Imageboard
Eh... Really? Do I look like that? I'm not even serious here, just having fun destroying some faggots in the internet that can't even justify their opinions, that's all.
Well I'm serious about waiting for the News about the Halloween event actually, but all they talking about is swords, Liz and... sword in human from.
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>>156965057
better known bt Arcade Bumsted
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>>156964967

Rin is such an ideal Master that pretty much every Servant in F/SN would make an excellent pairing with her except for maybe Berserker, since only a grail vessel can handle him, and Assassin, since I don't think murdering Masters is her style.

Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, and even Gil all have high compatibility with her. None of them would intrinsically dislike her and all of them can support her in different ways.
>>
>tfw rolled probably 300k-400k FP in the past couple days and still no manjew
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>>156965171
>this is what rinfags actually believe
>>
Post Foxy japanese women.
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>>156965291
Foxy japanese women.
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>>156965138
>destroying some faggots in the internet that can't even justify their opinions
See >>156964730 you assblasted retard.
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>>156964823
Keep in mind UBW and Liz's NP both hit like wet napkins even with their ignore-defense trait, what does that say of Balmung that doesn't ignore it?

>>156964812
rather it's only two effects that is needed, either an overall improvement to his ATK or an NP interlude that makes it decent for non-dragon enemies as well for one change, the ability to taunt or increase his NP charge better as the other change.

With that I think he would be a solid 4* Saber like Nero rather than being a gold Euryale-tier counter to a single trait (that he can only fire off once)
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I wish I had Edgemond.
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It would never happen but imagine if Shirou was Demi-servant Shiva?
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>>156965187
He's more like 1M to 1.5M.
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I want to be leglocked by this Emperor!
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>>156965171
>even Gil all have high compatibility with her
I still don't believe this. I feel like Gil would just fucking slaughter her himself if she so much as pissed him off.
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>get both a gold Rider and Caster cookie in the same run while farming petals
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>>156965362
UBW and Bathory Ersebet both already got an interlude
>ignore defense trait
This shit doesn't increase any damage,it just bypass enemy defense buff
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what time does event finish?
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>>156964967
Gil will help Rin die like her Father.
>>156965171
>Illya is better than Rin.
I agree.
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>>156965427

Gil put up with Shinji for days and worked fine with Hakuno, I think he'd hit it off with Rin. She's nothing like her father.
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>>156965410
>You'll never be leglocked by Nero and forced to eat all the cum of her previous partners out of her pussy
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>>156965240
>this is what nasu himself stated and what is shown
>>156965427
He likes willful humans.
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>>156965403
I haven't been counting up everything I rolled, but I know by now i've got to be within that range. Manjew is just a meme he doesn't exist.
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>>156964706
>Wah! can't he just stop! I've already won! Oh I know! I'll call him a Shitposter! That show him!
More, subhuman trash! Entertain me with you retarded post to cover your ass.
>>156964730
>it's not fancily designed enough so it looks like a toy!
Read the human history, go find me a weapon used in wars that looks like Caliburn or Proto Excalibur and used as a main combat. Jesus, it's a lesson they thought to schools as early as grade 5! How old are you to not know plebian knowledge like that?
>>
All Siggy needs is:

-3 turn Taunt
-NP up 10%, NP charge rate when hit up 20%

Then an NP interlude and he's all set
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>>156965520
I think you're mixing up Bathory Erzsebet with something else. Liz doesn't have an NP interlude.
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>>156965362
Balmung hits like shit because
A)No NP Interlude
B)Low Atk Stat
Ubw hits decently since Projecton Magic and because EMIYA was literally one of the only servant with a NP interlude at the beginning, with Artoria and Nero
Liz's NP doesn't have an Interlude yet, I think
Ignore Defense work means that they bypass defense buffs till +100% if Sieg's exhibition is to be used as fact, over 100% defense they too lose in damage
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>>156965723
>go find me a weapon used in wars that looks like Caliburn
As opposed to Excalibur?
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>>156964835
>Hey look! He uses exclamation marks! How childish!
Ah, can't even show me a better retort? How pathetic can you be?
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>>156965726

He won't get a taunt, he's gonna get a 30% defense up and NP up 10% and that's it
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>>156965726
Get over it
He is Meme-tier forever now
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>>156965723
Learn to type in English and stop using exclamation marks you underaged shitposter. Its obvious as fuck you're losing this argument and your cool so how about you go drink some bleach to calm yourself down.
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In what order should I level Brides skills?
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Am I screwed? Nero hasn't been taken down once yet.

Gil is still at the back.
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>NP has Ignore Defense
>It isn't even 100% or 50%
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>>156965980
None, just burn the slut
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>>156965980
ATK > Heal > NP
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>>156965980
2>3>1 or 2>1>3
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>>156965984
>failing this hard
>post nerf
sasuga
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>>156965984
You can't die from that NP, you can still do it.
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>new animations for EMIYA
>Shirou or Saber servant

It's going to be a F/SN event isn't it?
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>>156965849
>can't even show me a better retort?
Says the anon who just spouts trash that shows just how underaged he is.
>How pathetic can you be?
Come back and answer me when you stop getting assblasted over shit on the internet.
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Step aside plebs, best sword passing through.
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CCC
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>>156966112
>Welfare Kotomine
Do it
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>>156965427
He likes them feisty. It's why he wants Saber so much. He'll get along just fine with Rin.
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>>156963112
I don't give a shit, it's a fact that the fancy looking one is just as good as the plain one. There's nothing secondary about, Arthur > Arturia.
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Post F2P teams
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>>156966112
I'd prefer Kotomine so I can punch shit. Besides Jouji already voices Solomon so it's not like he isn't involved with FGO already.
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>>156966112
Please no

Not that I wouldn't want it but think of all the potential Servants in that Gacha

>Alter EMIYA
>Jaguarman
>Demi-Servants of Shirou, Rin, and Sakura
My quartz would not be able to keep up unless Jaguar is a welfare.
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>>156966148
As much as i want to insult it, it has some good points, still looks worse than Clarent though.
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>>156965520
there is inherent defense you can see it when you fight Camelot knights.

But even if what you say is true, they still do nothing for damage. an increase to 400% on Balmung will still do no damage worth a damn, considering that he barely gets 9k ATK at max Fou to even take into account

>>156965783
Before Projection Magic EMIYA was worthless for NP, and still sortof was since he's completely outdone by Kuro in nearly every regard until his crit change.

But keep in mind that even at 400% Balmung will still hit for nothing because of 9171 ATK and no universal Attack ups, he'd need it to be around 500% for it to even be partially usable or spammable enough to not have that damage be needed
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>>156965831
No, go find me swords fancily designed like Proto Excalibur and Caliburn that was used in war because they are practical to use and their durability is not shit because of many processes it goes thru just to look good.
Real combat swords are designed to kill, not to make someone look good and flashy. There's a reason many Japanese swords looks nearly identical to each other in design at first glance.
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And the Lady of the Lake was like:
"Yeah, nah, you can keep the fake Chinese product instead. You can't tell which one of the two it is anyway."
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>>156966260
No its secondary cause F/SN already explained why Arturia's Excalibur is plain cause combat functionality and..stuff. Just fucking read the visual novel you secondary subhuman.
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>>156966401
I already know that's the reason given, but the fact remains that the ornate EXcalibur is just as good, so it proves that it looking plain really doesn't do anything for it.
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>>156966093
Should I have Mashu protect herself or Jack?
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>>156966148
>that tip snagging on any sort of cloth possible
>best sword
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>>156960987
Reporting. Having a shit phone is suffering. I'm currently trying to farm whatever I can as well as finishing up the exhibition quests
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>>156966376
kek
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>>156965171
She definitely wouldn't go well with Caster. Rin is a great combat magus, but she is more limited to magic than physical. Caster would want a master that can duke it out and make use of her enhancements rather than someone who does what she does only worse. Her ideal master would be Shirou. Kuzuki coming in second.

Archer's ideal master, surprisingly, isn't Rin either. Shirou would be literally perfect, if Archer would drop his want to kill him. Bazett would be a good match as well to help counteract Archer's weakness.

Gilgamesh would want someone like Illya. He has no need for support, all he wants is a mana battery. Illya won't get in his way either. Saber too would go best with Illya.

Lancer's best master would definitely be Rin however.
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>>156966148
It looks so ugly and unwieldy.
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Don't talk to me if you don't use your fists as weapons.
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>>156966148
Too many edges, and the sword flaring out at the end like that is atrocious.
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>>156966148
Christ that's the edgiest sword i've ever seen.
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>>156966497
why would Gilgamesh grace a fake doll with his presence?
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Does anyone have the webms of Kuzuki btfoing Saber?
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>>156966497
Gil doesn't even really need that much mana though. Illya's abundant mana would be pretty wasted on him.
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>>156966269
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Don't talk to me if you don't think sword isn't combat functional and homely you secondary subhuman.
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>>156966148
Canonically greatest demonic sword reporting in.
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>There are people that skip the summoning animations

What is wrong with you impatient fucks?
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>tfw your sword is best looking,bigass,function properly and have prettiest beam
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>>156966675
When?
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tonight on /fgog/:

sword elitism
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>>156966675
WHEN?
>>156966696
This is true
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>>156966696
Why the hell would I sit and watch 1* exp and CEs be summoned?
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>>156966148
The tip and the hilt are objectively bad.
Then again all the RT equipment is garbage
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>>156966376
>Everyone immediately can identify Excalibur which is why Arturia hides it with magic
>Everyone knows because only one sword looks that cheaply made
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>>156966787
Referring to the quartz Gacha obviously.
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>>156966725
Big sword for a big hero.
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>>156966725
>prettiest beam
Damn right.
That thing is way to huge to be combat pragmatic, it's almost the 190 CM long.
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>>156965958
Oh man, you just won't stop? Arguments? You've already lost that long ago when you can't give a good answer to my retort against and resorted to post smug pics to save your ass.

Learn to type in English? Then how can you respond to my post then? reading my mind or something? What a retarded idiot. Last (You) from me, you're not worth jackshit with my time, dimwit.
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>>156966725
this desu

Its simple yet exquisite
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>>156966376
They're both ugly.

>>156966662
Slap a halfway decent hilt on it before you start bragging about functionality. And in all seriousness, fuck that crossguard.
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Who cares about irrelevant pieces of steel? Guns are stronger anyway.
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What do you think about these swords /fgog/?
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>>156966725
>only good against dragons and shit the rest of the time
I'll take the anti-army laser any day of the week.
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>>156966376
I mean what the fuck, Caliburn looks like it was crafted with love and care whereas Excalibur looks like bootleg garbage.
It's even more insulting when Caliburn isn't even a divine construct because of shit writing
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>EMIYA strengthening quest
>enemies from fate/extra in it
>Liz strengthening quest
>enemies from fate/extra in it
>tomorrow a golden saber will get a strengthening quest as the Nero event ends
Gee, I wonder who could that mysterious golden saber be.
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>>156966906
it's more a zweihander than anything that's he's einhanding
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>>156966965
Whoever made them have the best taste
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>>156966906
Its a greatsword,of course its big
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>>156966906
Siegfried is a big boy
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>>156967010
If it's Nero i will legit WebM burning the one i have.
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>>156966725
Well yeah, looks good and can be functional, if it's not a fucking big ass sword that is.
>>156966662
Yeah you're really triggered right now, proto excalishit lover.
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>>156967010
Can her fucking 2nd skill proc at a much decent rate?
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>>156966984
Caliburn is a ceremonial sword, is supposed to look pretty because it's not something you would use in battle to begin with.
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>>156966982
It's still a good anti-army beam outside of dragon slaying. It just goes wide, not tall. Think of it like Gawain's Galatine. It's meant to hit a wide area, not focused down a path.
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>>156966497

>She definitely wouldn't go well with Caster.

Caster seriously likes Rin just from fighting her briefly. It's not like Caster wants Kuzuki because he's a strong fighter, she's only with him because he saved her and she loves him.

>Archer's ideal master, surprisingly, isn't Rin either.

Now that's complete bullshit. Shirou and EMIYA are uncompatible because they want to kill each other. Even if they didn't, Shirou is literally incapable of supporting EMIYA with mana and EMIYA needs a fuckton of it to use Broken Phantasms and UBW. Bazett is someone who you could pair up with any Servant and who would still be a great pairing because she's the total package: she's a Magus Hunter, she's a top tier magus, she's a top tier fighter who can even defend herself against Servants, and she has an incredibly strong Noble Phantasm.

>Gilgamesh would want someone like Illya.

Gilgamesh doesn't need mana. GoB is low consumption. Even Tokiomi, who is a mediocre magus, is able to support him by using stored up gems. Rin is a top rate magus who also has a huge store of gems she can support Gilgamesh with. Only a true mana hog like Berserker would risk being too much of a burden for her to handle.

And Gil hates Ilya in pretty much all respects. He would appreciate Rin's personality, though.

>Saber too would go best with Ilya

Saber's at full strength under Rin, and she would despise Ilya for being an evil little cunt. Saber has no issues with Rin.
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>>156966965
meh
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>>156966725
At least until they reveal Herc's marmyadose
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>>156967131
>Not just bringing Ozzy
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>>156966906
I don't get why seemingly no Saber has a sword that's meant to be used with a shield. They've all got overdesigned, oversized, two-handed abominations. And then most of them still swing their scrap metal around with one hand.
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>>156966982
>Canonically able to beat Clarent Blood Arthur at full power and has a wider range

m8
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>>156967131
No, she'll get better migraines.
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>>156967010
Gawain
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>>156966725
The only issue is that you have to be huge as fuck and extremely skilled as a swordsman to wield it. Siegfried is probably one of the few, if not the only swordsman who can wield it to its full potential. It's just like how Karna is the only one who can wield the massive and unwieldy Vasavi Shakti.
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>>156967157
>Saber's would despise Ilya for being an evil little cunt.

what is this meme
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>>156966965
Ugly and impractical.
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>>156966910
Nigga you're the one who's so assblasted about people liking EXcalibur>Excalibur that you started spouting shit about secondaries and reading the VN when that shit's not applicable. Get over it.
>Learn to type in English?
Yes, its the least you could do to make yourself seem less retarded than you are.
>Then how can you respond to my post then?
See this is what I'm talking about.
>reading my mind or something? What a retarded idiot
I honestly can't tell if this is you being triggered or if you're just naturally ESL.
>What a retarded idiot
Yeah you sure showed me.
>Last (You) from me, you're not worth jackshit with my time, dimwit
I understand. ESL shitposting can only get you so far.
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>>156967154
It would probably be stronger the closer you are to the target probably
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>>156967010
>what is ProtoCu,CasCu,Kojiro and Caesar
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>>156966965
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>>156967198
Arthur does have dragon blood, so that falls under the "against dragons" part.
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Meanwhile Aestus Estus is more like some art piece made by Nero that she likes to swing around with magical strength.
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>>156967281

She's fucking evil until Shirou fixes her with cooking.
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>>156966965
How do you make a White & Black Sword?
What metal?
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Has 5*s ever gotten strengthening before?
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>>156967337
Irrelevant non golds.
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>>156966269
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>>156967183
Japan's rule of cool. Even though sword and board or proper two hand style is more useful, it's not seen as heroic.

>>156966960
Not in my Japanese anime.
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>>156966146
>Can't even give a reasonable comeback
>I'll just call him underaged and say that he's spouting trash.
Well.. Really? How can you be to be this dysfunctional?
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>>156967374
that's not a sword that's a red question mark
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>>156967025
>>156967054
>>156967108
Something something "skill that surpasses the mortal realm"

Geez if he's able to effortlessly swing around Balmung why the fuck don't other people with B+ strength do the same kinda shit.
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>>156967127
Big things is only for pro-handler,shitters need not apply
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>>156966269
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>>156967127
>Yeah you're really triggered right now
W E W
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>>156967417
Not a single one so far, but Waver got buffed for free.
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>>156967374
One handed sword, clearly.
Like a testament to a servant's superhuman strength.
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>>156967183
Wait and hope for best boy
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>>156967481
>>156967494
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>>156967159
>implying they ever will in our lifetime
Just look at how long it toom until we got archer herk which was his best class
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>>156967280
Now that I think about it, Vasavi isn't that unwieldy in its incomplete form, but a big deal is made out of Karna being able to use it still. Is that just Higashide fucking up and assuming that it looked like it does when complete all the time?
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>>156967453
>I'm still so buttblasted about people not liking Excalibur's design
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>>156966965
Hmm... That looks... Beautiful
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>>156967481
>>156966725
Tell me about the dark blue cloak,why he tied it to his sword?
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>>156967394
Ceramic and Cast Iron...? Would explain how they shatter frequently
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>>156967481
It's not about strength, it's about skill. It's huge and unwieldy as fuck. You have to be good with that kinda shit. Take a wrong swing and you're hitting the ground and possibly opening yourself to a counterattack.
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>>156967374
so if this is roughly the side of Nero, it means it's around 130-140CM long right?
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>>156967481
shame konoe didn't draw a helmet for him, I really like the armor
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>>156967481
>that smile
I STILL haven't rolled Siegfried but I got that shitter Astolfo 3 times. God fucking dammit RNG.
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>>156967784
Remind me of that one Goblin Slayer scene
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>>156967765
It's tied to his Sword-sheath, and i don't know specifically, but it lets him "cover" his back without breaking the whole exposed back curse.

>>156967784
>hit the ground
>use the moment to perform a defensive fault after faking an opening.
I love it when people use giant weapons as leverage to fault around the battlefield.
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Pretty neat buff, goes well with Alter as she is always tagging along in my team.
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>>156967674
It could be that the incomplete form has that large ring with spikes on it toward one end, which makes it pretty nontraditional as a spear. It has more weight than normal toward the end that would normally be further away from you. The size of it seems to be depicted differently often enough as well.
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>>156967765
Siegfried tries to be fashion with his sword since he can't wear stylish shirts
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>>156967909

It's alright, Siegfried is the worst 4* Saber

Possibly a contender for the worst 4* in the game
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>156967328
>You can't give me a reasonable opinion why your opinion is wrong so I'll call him a Shitposter
The Post
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>>156966323
Clarent is just a discount Florent.
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>>156968017
Not while Martha exists.
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>>156967661
Marmyadose will probably never happen at all, considering it's superior to Excalibur in the legends.
And we honestly can't have that
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I like this sword.
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>>156967929
That's actually what I had in mind when I thought of that example.
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>>156967881
Its really weird if he wear a helm with that armor honestly

>>156967979
Rude.Open back shirt is sexy
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>>156968060
>>156968017
>Stheno
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>>156967782
Oh yeah, I just remembered those Ceramic Knives.
Barely see them so I forgot about it.
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>>156968084
>sword
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>>156967967
>Elizabeth buff
>goes only with females
>during Jeanne Alter rate up
>one of the skill upgrade quest parts has a Ruler enemy
GEE, I WONDER WHAT THEY MIGHT BE HINTING WITH THIS.
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>>156968057
it still looks pretty grand compared to the other KotRT swords.
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>>156968110

At least Stheno has her uses.

Siegfried is just plain useless. He can't tank, he can't support, and he can't dish out damage.
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It's kind of insane that even with a gaping weakness in AoF Karna just kind of gets to have a similar level of ability with no weakness at all.
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>>156968017
But I love Siegfried. All I want is to raise and max him and then keep him in My Room.
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>>156968084
Apparently it's more like a staff than a sword. Gil is just being retarded and insists on calling it a sword anyway.
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>>156968153
>GEE, I WONDER WHAT THEY MIGHT BE HINTING WITH THIS.
I don't follow
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>>156968084
I want to fuck this staff.
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>>156967972
I suppose, but it does make a point to note that the head alone is more than a metre in length, which says to me he was saying it was completed. Then again, I didn't even realise that it had distinct complete and incomplete forms until he came out in GO, so I can forgive Higashide the mistake.
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>>156967967

>neat
>Alter tagging along

Anon are you stupid?
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>>156966070
>>156966472
Ok I managed to clear it.
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>>156968213
That's mostly accurate to the legend, though. Blame the curry that wrote the Mahabharata.
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>>156968156
Guard is pretty much Caliburn/Gram
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>>156968213
Karna is better and more powerful, more at 11
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>>156968017
>implying that matter

I want him to be strong but he is cute enough
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>>156968156
Not like there's any particularly strong competition.
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>>156968084
>t. Gilgamesh
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>>156968192
Give him the right Ce and he can tank. In the rare occasions you fight a dragon enemy he hits more than Saber Alter for me. His NP is still bad and he needs a buff but no way he is worse than Stheno
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>>156968257
>>156968084
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If FGO has a crossover with Pong, would you roll for 5* Shielder Right Paddle or 5* Avenger Left Paddle?
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>>156968036
Holy shit this is a new level of being assmad. Should have stopped while (You) were ahead, friendo.
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>>156968084
>sword
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>>156968153
>/u/fags are literally this level of delusional
even the cuckfags are more grounded in reality
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>>156968192
Where does she have use? Siegfried at least currently fits a Euryale-level of niche in countering dragon-traits

oh and also
>Astolfo
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>>156968213
Karna's Armor has it's own set of weaknesses and an arguably weaker defensive effect. It doesn't defend from attacks that come from "inside" him and 90% reduction ends up working very weirdly with some of the concepts. it also gets lost permanently the second his spear takes on it's "true" form with the God killing properties.
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>>156968213
Karna is better than Sumanai
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>>156968213
>One has an armor that made him invincible but has a glaring weak spot because of a leaf in the legend
>One has an armor that made him invincible without a weak spot in the legend
>it's kind of insane that the one who never had a weak spot doesn't have a weak spot and the one who had a weak spot has a weak spot

Really?
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>>156968408
>not ruler ball
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>>156966269
What's with the gacha CEs?
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>>156968213
Mahabharata is one big powerlevel shitposting
>hey lets create this weapon that can destroy a planet
>n-no don't use i,it will destroy a planet
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>>156968391
No anon
You go inside Ea and let yourself be wrapped up in its loving pulse.
>>
I've been Xenoverse 2ing so I'm a little out of the loop. Is a new event supposed to start/be announced tomorrow?
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>>156968213
That's like complaining Achilles' heel is still vulnerable.
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>>156968351
I'm pretty upset with what they did to Galatine, i don't even like Gawain but that sword just looks off, Arondight looks pretty decent but the weird golden part between the crossguard and blade makes it look slightly worse. Excalibur honestly just looks bad because of the shitty guard.
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>>156968461
I wouldn't call that first part a weakness inherent to KnK. Siegfried's skin is the Armor of Fafnir, so it's unlikely that it would defend against attacks that come from inside him either. All in all KnK is less powerful outright, but it's the most consistent armor type NP since there's no way to get around it via ranks or anything like that.
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>>156968213

Karna is a born demigod, Siegfried earned his super armor.

Anyways, the biggest weak point of Karna's armor is that it isn't a conceptual defense like AoF. Anything B+ rank and below can't even scratch Siegfried, while those would all wound Karna because his armor is just a 90% reduction and nothing else.
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>156968409
>too ass mad for me, I need to get his (You)
Nah, your not worth jackshit, can't even bother posting images unlike you :^)
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>>156968269
Apo and CCC flip flop around with it a lot, and it has only recently gotten an official incomplete design. CCC just had it in complete mode constantly, despite that not being possible, and Apo doesn't make a big point out of distinguishing it despite saying that it changes shape.
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>>156968524
I just mean from a balance perspective.
The story expects us to take Siegfried as a rival to Karna for a while, but then clearly demonstrates that Karna is way too strong for Siegfried to conceivably defeat.
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>>156968564
>putting your dick in a grinder whose force is compared to plate tectonics.
Anon I think that might be a bad idea.
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>>156957604
YYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS Having faith was right
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>>156968461
Is it being lost when he manifests the true spear really that much of a deal when he shouldn't need to use it 90% of the time? Brahmastra and Brahmastra Kundala are already exceedingly devastating NPs that put most NPs of similar rank to shame, and he's effective even without them most of the time.
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>>156968751
That's true. I feel like if they hadn't gone with "Karna's so skilled his regular attacks can get past Siegfried's armour" it'd be a lot more believable.
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>>156968653
Yeah, it's more consistent but a reducing the effectiveness of an attack by "B-rank" seems incredibly powerful on paper, since it takes shit like Excalibur and reduces it to D++. It comes with the glaring weakness of vulnerability to servants with a huge advantage in speed and servants with PC.
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>>156968687
No no, keep going. (You)'re really showing me how not buttmad you aren't with how desperate you are to not give me (You)s.
>your not worth jackshit
Then just stop replying, friendo.
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>>156968656
It's a 90% reduction against all harmful factors, which is a very strong and consistent defense. It's still a conceptual defense, just of a different kind.
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>>156968751

In terms of parameters and fighting skill and their armor, Karna and Siegfried are pretty evenly matched, with Karna edging out slightly in skill. That's what their first fight was about.

Karna's main advantage over Siegfried is the fact that he has three offensive NPs to Siegfried's single one, and one of them is so strong that Siegfried can only survive it by spamming Balmungs which he ordinarily would not be able to do as a Servant. Another one is so strong that there's nothing Siegfried could possibly do to survive it.
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>>156968731
Didn't CMIV come out before Apoc? I only noticed it once GO came out, but it does show exactly how Karna's armor fits into the spear when it completes it. In CCC he's just straight up faking the spear, since he doesn't even have KnK with him anymore.

>>156968751
Siegfried was never shown as a threat from the beginning, anon. Despite both taking similar wounds from each other, Siegfried was utterly terrified of Karna for a while at the beginning before he started getting into it. On top of that, knowing their legends it's obvious who's going to end up winning in the end. Siegfried's amazingly powerful, but Karna's on another level compared to him.
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>>156967157
Caster is extremely lacking in close quarters. It is for this exact reason that Rin was able to keep up with her. You've seen Kuzuki's effectiveness under Caster, he was essentially a servant himself. Having a strong physical fighter effectively doubles her power.

Shirou wouldn't be able to supply Archer as well as Rin, but at the same time, if they get over their differences, Archer being able to teach Shirou would give him much needed support in battles, and could very easily push Archer over that barrier of "a large threat but no chance of losing" to "a large threat"

Gilgamesh doesn't need a lot of mana, but he doesn't need masters who would get in his way either. Kotomine and Illya are the only masters who wouldn't. He gets along better with Kotomine, but that's actually a detriment.

Rin is strong enough to boost Saber, but she doesn't have near as much mana reserve as Illya. Saber doesn't need combat support at full power either and having to protect her master would be a hassle. Illya doesn't need protecting from anything but other servants. While she would not agree with her master, she ultimately wouldn't care much either.
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When are we gonna get this badboy into the game?
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>>156967010
Gawain?

Seriously though, it would be completely fucking retarded to buff her exactly as her rateup ends.
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>>156968774
I'm okay with dying like that.
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Can this team take on the last exhibition and come out winning?
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>>156969021
That game was fun, don't shit on it.
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>>156968997
Lily is thick!
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>156968942
>never given a (You)
>still bothers to look at the post for him
>"Stop replying to me! I won already! " complete with smug images
Well I don't know, maybe stop trying too hard to look like you're not mad?
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>>156968973
karna was mopping the floor with the now-improved Sieg at the end of Apo when he got a better master
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>>156969021
Marche was better.
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I thinks it funny that there were plans to have Illya share her life with Herc and be pretty much invincible. But then it was scrapped cause that would be too OP. And Herc ended up dying before Illya in every route anyways.
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>>156968829
It's a big risk, since using either means for the rest of the war you lose one of your strongest NP's, imagine Medusa sealing Bellephron for the rest of the war if she wants access to her mystic eyes, not only do you tip them off your identity but you loose a fair chunk of your power at the same time. That said Karna is a special kind of haxx that was born from myths that compare to some of our super-heroes in their crazy feats of strength and skill.
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>>156969029
It would be the most logical thing in a Kotomine Kirei way.
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Which Servants shave their pubes?
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>>156969302
Berserker Superman when?
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>>156969380
Kotomine hates money?
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>>156969195

Not a better master. Karna was grail-fueled.

You don't get to compare grail-fueled Servants to anyone except other grail-fueled Servants. It's like comparing someone with a rifle and a single magazine to a man with eighty ammo boxes of magazines.
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>>156969302
Arguably it makes Karna more dangerous to fight assuming he has to fight after using it. Not only does his spear now have much greater range and weight, but it also means that his mana isn't tied up with a constantly active A-Rank NP, meaning he can use his Prana Burst and Brahmastras more often.
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>>156969391
Would Saber Lily have any?
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>>156969210
Marche was a faggot. Luso is better in literally every way.
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>>156968973
>>156969001
Basically this, It's like COmparing Cu to Gilgamesh, They're both pretty damn strong but they're on completely different levels of power despite being able to go at each other for extended periods of time.
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>>156969391
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>>156969228
Almost as if Herc and Ilya aren't protagonists of any route

what a fucking shame, since Herc in his full mad state depicted a wider emotional range than Arturia in her own route
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>>156969470
I bet you think Marche did anything wrong.
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>>156969447
He'd pick human despair over money any day.
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>>156969302
He didn't need the complete spear for either Brahmastra or Brahmastra Kundala, and Vasavi will be unnecessary most of the time.
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>>156969451
Sieg had functionally infinite mana as well thanks to stealing Frankie's Galvanism though, they both had as much mana as possible for that fight.
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>>156969520
The ending established he didn't, but that doesn't mean he can't still be inferior.
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>>156969460
well it's a big exchange of Offensive and Defense but if he goes against someone with comparable skill he runs a much bigger list of losing that battle since he can't fall back on his Armor, not sure about that second poitn though, Armor NP"s take alot of mana to manifest but at the same time doesn't his armor basically shift over to his weapon meaning the mana costs stay the same?
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How many turns are you averaging on your petals runs? Usually takes me around 8.
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>>156969174
>still bothers to look at the post for him
Here's a funny thing. Each of your posts are highlighted due to greentext. Shocking, right? Not only that, you're also putting the post number at the top, too. Making it really obvious just who you're replying to. But sure, I'm seeking you out.
>maybe stop trying too hard to look like you're not mad?
Says the guy who said he was going to quit replying to me and then decided to keep replying anyways. Okay then.
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still no ce drop. how much time do I have left?
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>>156969594

Galvanism absolutely does not supply 'functionally infinite mana'. Not at all at the same rate as the fucking greater grail.

Jesus Christ.
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>>156969467
No, she's perfect for hard sex.
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>>156969391
Mebd, Siegfried, Gilgamesh, Liz, D'Eon, and Da
Vinci.
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What if you can trade (You)s for rolls?
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>>156969467
She's just starting to undergo puberty, so maybe a few stray hairs.
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>>156969627
No, once it shifts over, it isn't functioning as a constant defense so it isn't eating mana. >>156969643
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>>156969676
Look at the number below the quest. Those are the hours left.
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>>156969783
But Gilgamesh is human perfection, he has the exact amount that's right.
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>>156969643
Normally 10 because I like to charge Kerry's NP. If I went full rush I guess that 7 would take
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>>156969627
You're underestimating the advantage the reach would give him, Vasavi Shakti when complete is stupidly huge, he can attack without being anywhere near someone else, and it'd be extremely difficult to get in close. As for the second point, it's no longer active as an NP at that point, it's been converted into part of the spear, which isn't an always active NP. Why would it still take up the cost of keeping the conceptual defense of his armor up when it doesn't have that effect anymore?
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>>156969824

It instead consumes mana as appropriate of an EX rank spear while it's being used. And if he uses the activation of Vasavi, it's going to cost him so much mana that he will be more or less defenseless afterward unless he has an entire grail supporting him.

Weapons consume mana just as armor does. That's why Karna was unable to use his spear against Gawain.
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>>156969478
Well that's right, but there's some difference, even though we knew Cu is strong against range attacks, we knew that Gil already knew that thru his eyes so I think it actually made him serious in that fight, lowering Cu's chance of winning by a lot. But Karna and Siegfried is different since it was shown from the start that Siegfried can't keep up with Karna at all.
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>>156969593
Weird, i recall him needing to discard his armor to use any of his spear's NP, so things like both Brahmastra's and Vasavi? or does it only account for Vasavi?
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>>156969689
It does once Sieg gets close enough to start using it to leech mana from Karna, who does have infinite mana.
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>>156967183
>The only servant with a shield and a sword is Boudicca
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>>156970010

A supply rate of 25% a second is never going to match a supply rate of 100% per second.
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>>156966675
Gram-wielding, rune-casting, dragon-empowered Saber Sigurd Sigmundsson when?
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>>156967010
Atila?
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>>156969875
>he has the exact amount that's right
So none.
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>Starting to take full AP runs for EXP to level up Jeanne once
>Still five levels to 100

I'm starting to think I might just pour apples into this. I have 140 and it's a Great/Super success rate up.
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>>156969960
It doesn't consume nearly as much as the armor. And in CCC, his master is especially shit. Jinako hardly supports him at all.
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She did it.

https://twitter.com/sui0925/status/785106168049872896
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>>156969643
4 or 5 average, a few lucky 3 turn runs.
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>156969668
Whoa, do you really me to give you a (You)? You're obviously really mad to trouble yourself to bother with a green text especially for you?
Oh and I will not give you a (You), sorry about that.
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Did I read right and a new event is coming tomorrow?
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>>156969960
Moon Cell Karna can't use his spear because he's still paying the mana upkeep for Kavacha and Kundala, it's just that it's protecting Jinako, not Karna. It's got nothing to do with the spear costing a fuckhuge amount of mana, just that he's still supporting KnK.
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>>156968156
I prefer Bedivere's sword, actually.
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>>156970354

>an EX NP doesn't consume nearly as much mana as an A NP

Anon...
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>>156970007
It's only for Vasavi. Brahmastra and BK are both separate NPs from his spear. He's seen using BK in Apo prior to shedding his armor.
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>>156970256
That's why he's wife material.
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>>156969575
But money and despair are deeply connected.
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>>156969896
Ah that's true, since he doesn't have to deal with the enourmous strain of keeping the armor actice, he can always just keep his weapon partially manifested to "save" Mana. that said if the weapon gets bigger it might also be a disadvantage in the basic idea of "if they get close up and i need to move this unwieldy weapon to keep up with a smaller one in close quarters i'll be at a disadvantage" that said they bring up Karna being retardedly skilled almost much as Kojiro's and Lancelot so he'll probably effortlessly swing it around like it was a small knife.

>>156970135
Not anytime soon. as much as he's been teased the only way he'll pop up is in a singularity or a Norse event that brings back Bryn for the Gacha, and since we already have 2-3 events lined up we'll probably have to wait until the end of this year before we'll see him.
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>>156970135
2017
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>>156970387

And that has nothing to do with what I just said.

Vasavi Shakti's activation is far beyond Excalibur in power, and Saber could only use Excalibur once before becoming completely helpless in Fate with B rank mana. If Karna, who has B rank mana as well, has no Grail support and tries to use it, he's going to become an easy target for anyone because he no longer has his armor and he's so low on mana that he can't even fight properly anymore.
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>>156970517
What better than bringing desperate people into rolling the story gacha without rate-ups?
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>>156969498
Dr.P is naturally hairless
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>>156970467
It doesn't. The spear doesn't have any passive effects to it like the armor does. Why do you God Hand, a B rank NP is absolute murder to support while it isn't hard to have an A++ sword like Excalibur manifested? Rank doesn't determine cost. The Gate of Babylon doesn't cost much either despite being a high rank.
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>>156970467
>a NP that you can choose to activate might cost less than a continually active one
Anon...
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>>156970467
An EX NP that fires exactly once. Does Ea take up a huge amount of mana for Gil to keep out of the Gate, or EXcalibur for Arthur to use normally?

>>156970578
It's true he'd be at a disadvantage if someone got in close, but by the same token he now has much more mana to use for Prana Burst Flames, which he can use to drive off anyone that does get close. Plus the whole "muh skill" thing that says Karna can swing it around without any trouble means that losing KnK isn't as much of a crippling loss as most people assume.
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>>156969391
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>>156970374
>Now he's shifting goalposts
Wonderful. Really showing me that you don't even have shit to say, ESL shitposter.
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>>156964414
>Emiya
He was cured.
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>>156970660
I'm not talking about him firing it, I'm talking about him using the spear in regular melee combat after it's completed. Completing the spear and using Vasavi don't have to happen one after another, and if he has time to rest after using the actual attack from VS then it's just a bigass spear, not one that takes up the mana of an EX ranked attack to use every time he wants to swing it.
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>>156970492
But you can't take a man as your wife, anon.
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>>156970684

>The spear doesn't have any passive effects to it like the armor does

Besides being a spear of godly caliber.

>Why do you God Hand, a B rank NP is absolute murder to support while it isn't hard to have an A++ sword like Excalibur manifested?

Saber never unsheathes Excalibur even when her identity is known by the opponent because it actively drains her mana at high rates just to be wielding it in battle, even though as a sword it's worth a 1000 compared to Invisible Air which is a 30.

>Rank doesn't determine cost.

Rank has a strong correlation to mana cost. Just because exceptions exist does not mean that it is not true.

>The Gate of Babylon doesn't cost much either despite being a high rank.

Gate of Babylon has no rank, E-A++ is the rank of what's inside of it, and Gilgamesh only uses those as ammunition to fire out of GoB. He never activates any of them properly except for a few rare times.
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>>156970768
Scathach definitely does not shave her pubes
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>>156970363
>Nobu 9/10
Good boy, you're almost there.
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>>156970927
Says who?
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>>156970483
Doesn't BK need him to use his spear and empower it with his prana burst? I double checked the wiki No Bully and it noted that in CCC he could only use it after shedding his armor and pulling out Vasavi. my memory of Apoc is foggy but are you sure you aren't talking about his Eye-beam thing?

>>156970719
Basically, yeah. If "muh skills" lets siegfried completely dismantle mordred using a sword that's almost 190CM long I'm pretty sure Karna could man-handle people with his 3 meter long spear.
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>156970801
>"he's shifting the goalpost, I'll call him ESL Shitposter! That show him!
0/10 not enough to be given a (You), try harder.
;^)
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>>156971006
The fact remains that it still doesn't use up nearly as much mana as his armor. The armor is always active and gives him a powerful effect while the complete spear is still just a strong spear with no added effects. In this case, the effect means more than the rank, just like with God Hand.
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I lost count of how many times I jerked off to Naked Gilgamesh in Zero and Ccc
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>>156970684

>An EX NP that fires exactly once.

But he keeps wielding it afterward.

>Does Ea take up a huge amount of mana for Gil to keep out of the Gate, or EXcalibur for Arthur to use normally?

Yes. They do, actually.

>a NP that you can choose to activate but is still continually active just having it manifested might cost less than a lower-ranked continually active one
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https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/56mm8m/what_ritual_do_you_do_before_summoning/
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>>156970768
That image activates my Bolg.
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Suki
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>>156971120
Just a final struggle left, but having to bench her out of bond farming teams will be sad.
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>>156971006
>Besides being a spear of godly caliber.
So it takes a shitload of mana to keep any high-tier weapon manifested? I suppose that's why it takes Gil oceans of mana to use GoB. Oh, wait.

>Saber never unsheathes Excalibur even when her identity is known by the opponent

She does, because using Invisible Air is literally an extra drain of mana. I don't understand how the fuck you could think that using an NP to conceal a sword takes up less mana than not using that NP. The moment Diarmuid sees a flash of the sword she gets rid of IA immediately.

>Rank has a strong correlation to mana cost.

Doesn't mean that it's the same in all cases. Vasavi Shakti's activation is an EX ranked attack, not every attack made with the spear is EX.

>Gate of Babylon has no rank, E-A++ is the rank of what's inside of it, and Gilgamesh only uses those as ammunition to fire out of GoB. He never activates any of them properly except for a few rare times.

And yet he keeps them manifest, which is all people are saying, that VS doesn't have the same mana cost as KnK when it's complete because it's literally just a spear. VS isn't constantly active when complete, it's just complete.

>>156971292
It's not that he could only use it after shedding his armor, it's that he doesn't use it until after that. If they went with what he does in Apoc and had him use it the moment the fight started, then it'd be impossible to win. In Apocrypha he attempts to use it before the spear is completed on Jeanne in volume one, prepares to use it against Vlad in volume two, and actually does use it before the spear is complete on Sieg in volume 5.
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>>156970363
>3 turns
Did you use at least one LB'ed bride or go full joint recital?
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>>156971378
You too?
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>40AP Gil gives me my first CE drop
Thank you King of all Heroes.
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>>156971292
BK is just Brahmastra with the fire added to it, he just activates it by throwing his spear in CCC, which was faked. It wasn't actually completed at all because his armor was on Jinako. And in Apo, in his final battle with Sieg, he used BK to make it rain lasers. Sieg was spamming Balmung to stop it. This was before he completed his spear.
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>>156971035
but anon it has to be silky smooth for that body suit
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>>156971510
Ah i see thanks for the info.
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>>156971517
Drake has LB bride, the rest have petal CE and a +50 bond CE.
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>>156971537
My nigga.
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>>156971006
I can't bother to go full autismo for you, but in simple terms of what they said;
>Rank doesn't determine mana cost
Go look for the side materials related to NPs, you will see it there.

I rest my case.
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>>156971327
So now you're back to shitposting about being a shitposter. This, coupled with the post numbering just highlights how much of an assblasted shitter you are. Keep greentexting my post numbers and show me how mad you are.
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>>156971386
>But he keeps wielding it afterward.

So does that mean that using Excalibur to fight in melee is the exact same cost as using it to fire the swordbeam? Because that's what you're saying.

>Yes. They do, actually.

How, exactly? It doesn't cost Saber nearly as much to use Excalibur to hit things as it does to use the swordbeam, and it doesn't cost Gil nearly as much to have Ea manifested as it does to use Enuma Elish. Once VS has been activated and the single godkilling strike used up, it's just a spear that he has. It wouldn't cost nearly as much to have it manifest as it would to actually use that single strike.
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>>156971630
Ah i see, does he suffer a similar draw back like with using other super high-end NP's where he's essentially defenseless for awhile afterwards?
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>>156971138
Says me.
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>>156971631
diaper baby
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>>156971816
Not really, he continued to fight Sieg while it was raining lasers, and was winning by a good margin as well. It's important to note that he had functionally infinite mana at the time though. In CCC, he does keep fighting you after he uses his NPs though. So he's not entirely defenseless after he uses his NPs.
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C-can we go back to talking about swords?
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>>156971982
post it
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>>156971631
not true
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>>156972041
>functionally infinite mana at the time
Why was that again?
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Check out this OOC garbage.
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>>156971006
>Saber never unsheathes Excalibur even when her identity is known by the opponent because it actively drains her mana at high rates just to be wielding it in battle

No it doesn't. This is some shit you just made up. Go and find a single, solitary reference to this. Just once. One.

The sword needs to be sheathed because it reveals her identity. How the fuck are you claiming that swinging it without her sheath somehow magically ups the cost?

You're flat-out making bullshit up here.
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>>156972050
Okay. I want to fuck this sword.
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>156971734
Man just say that your mad, doesn't really hurt admitting it in an Anonymous Imageboard.
And no (You) was earned by a mad anon in /fgog/.
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Would you watch a comfy SoL FGO anime like Touken Ranbu Hanamaru /fgog/?
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>>156972050
Right, I forgot that Touken Ranbu 2nd episode airs today.
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>>156972194
Hooked up to a Grail. Sieg was siphoning mana from him so that he could defend himself.
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In what order I should deal with the enemies on Nero's Exhibition
Jack>Amakusa>Ozzy>Nero>Medea>Lancer Alter
?
And what's better to take as a support, Cu Alter or Kintoki?
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>>156972329
I went with my Kintoki for faster NPs, but Cu is good for survival. If you can keep Kintoki alive with a Waver and/or Mashu, he may be better just because he can shred faster.
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>>156972320
Neat, so i guess in that moment Sieg and Karna got closer to their real live power than they normally would?
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>>156972050
But I want the spears!
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>>156972128
IS THAT A CLIT?
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>>156972218
>insists that I'm mad
>when he's still keeping this whole thing going even after he got pissed off and said I wasn't worth his time
>even after he still kept giving (You)s cause he was just that assblasted
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>>156971510


>So it takes a shitload of mana to keep any high-tier weapon manifested? I suppose that's why it takes Gil oceans of mana to use GoB. Oh, wait.

GoB isn't a weapon. Literally all he does is will it to launch a sword and it launches at Servant-killing velocity.

>She does, because using Invisible Air is literally an extra drain of mana.

Nope. It's a seal on Excalibur. As long as it's sheathed, Excalibur isn't sucking her mana like the guzzling thing it is.

>I don't understand how the fuck you could think that using an NP to conceal a sword takes up less mana than not using that NP

Your mistake is thinking that it's a buff NP, when in actuality it's just a sheath meant to keep Excalibur contained that Merlin made for her after she lost Avalon.

>The moment Diarmuid sees a flash of the sword she gets rid of IA immediately.

No. She doesn't. She backs off and keeps it active.

>Vasavi Shakti's activation is an EX ranked attack, not every attack made with the spear is EX.

Karna is making A rank attacks with it in its incomplete form. As a complete spear, who knows what rank of attack he's making?

>And yet he keeps them manifest, which is all people are saying, that VS doesn't have the same mana cost as KnK when it's complete because it's literally just a spear. VS isn't constantly active when complete, it's just complete.

The weapons propelled from GoB only stay manifested until they have completed impact. Then they disappear.
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>>156971931
The only requirement to be a wife is being cute and having a feminine personality.
Pictured: our wedding night
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>>156972329
Jack Amakusa Lancer Ozzy Medea Umu
If you kill Ozzy too early, your dodges are useless. Lancer Alter has AoE.

Bring
Cu Alter if you can't sustain Kintoki well enough
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>>156972495
Yes.
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>>156972329
Jack > Amakusa > Arturia > Ozymandias > Medea > Nero

Killing Ozymandias gives pierce so you're screwing yourself if you kill him too early.

Depends on if you have a way to remove buffs or not. If you have Martha/Medea and you can debuff Nero/Ozymandias, then Cu Alter. If not then you want Kintoki because he can ignore def, thus killing Ozymandias in one turn and easily killing Nero doing BNPB.
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>>156957604
>about THAT character
please
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>>156972050
>covering cute loli and shota tummy
Prude sword.
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>>156972495
Yes.

>>156972489
Then tell me about some of your favorites.
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>>156972463
Well even with those power ups, Siege is still far inferior to Karna that it needed Karna to purposely do a fuck up and let him take the win.
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>>156971006
>Saber never unsheathes Excalibur even when her identity is known by the opponent because it actively drains her mana at high rates just to be wielding it in battle

That is completely ridiculous and the exact opposite of what happens in the story. She never once keeps the sword hidden after her identity is revealed, not even once. And there is not one line in any of the written material that has ever suggested even vaguely that keeping Excalibur unsheathed consumes energy.

Besides, what logic does this make? What the hell do you think she's swinging around when using Invisible Air? It's the same fucking sword with a magic barrier wrapped around it.
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>>156971795

>So does that mean that using Excalibur to fight in melee is the exact same cost as using it to fire the swordbeam? Because that's what you're saying.

No, it's not. And you can only claim that because you're being deliberately thick.

>Once VS has been activated and the single godkilling strike used up, it's just a spear that he has.

It's not "just a spear that he has." It's a fucking EX rank Noble Phantasm. Just having it manifested in full is a major source of mana drain.

>>156972198

Read the VN.
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>Seraphic Monstrosity gens more stars than Revelation

JUST
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>>156972329
For the best output, you will need one good AoE Berserker and Kintoki, both with maxed Bride CE. Use the AoE one to kill Lancer Alter, Ozzy and Medea all at once, and after that use Kintoki's NP to deal with Nero. If you have a nice support like Martha, Jeanne, Mashu or Waver, you can use it to cover your zerkers. Martha would be the best choice, because you will have to clear debuffs and Ozzy's defense buff.
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>>156972463
Closer, yeah. Karna still lacks a lot of his NPs though. His main class is actually archer.
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>>156972753
I mean that is kinda to be expected, even if both effectively have infinite mana it comes to who can do the most with it in the least amount of time, in which case someone of Karna's powerlevel should trump someone with Siegfried's powerlevel.
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>>156972586
>Nope. It's a seal on Excalibur. As long as it's sheathed, Excalibur isn't sucking her mana like the guzzling thing it is.

You're making shit up. Citation needed.
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>>156972616
You don't call your gay partner 'wife', not with Gil's fujobait looks.
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>>156972616
>Gilgamesh is your wife
>Not Gilgamesh is your husband
Anon, you're doing it wrong.
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>>156972772
>Read the VN.

So you're just trolling. Or worse, writing fanfiction and have become so invested in it that you delude yourself into thinking there's a source for your statement.

There isn't. Provide it if you claim there is.
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>>156972772
>read the VN
>in the VN she completely stops using Invisible Air once her identity is revealed
You need to stop talking out of your ass.
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>>156972767

> She never once keeps the sword hidden after her identity is revealed, not even once.

She never once unsheathes it in Fate/Zero even after using it and calling its true name against Caster's monster.

She never once unsheathes it in Fate/SN even after using it and calling its true name against Bellerophon, except to fight Gilgamesh, at her most desperate moment.

Then she never unsheathed it again except to use its full strength blast at the end of UBW and after becoming an Alter who has nearly infinite mana at her disposal.
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>>156972050
Emiya is a brave man
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>>156972616
What a coincidence, I was there too.
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>>156972704
>the Shirou edit
Fuck yes. Been looking forever for this. Thanks anon.
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>>156972951
>You don't call your gay partner 'wife'
Why not?
>>156973027
But that's gay
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>>156972927

Read the VN, read the side materials. Read anything. Educate yourself.

>>156973070

>secondary wants me to do his job for him

Fucking Zero babbies.

>>156973084

No, she does not stop using Invisible Air. She never stops using it. In fact, the only time she stops using it in all the times she's ever appeared is when she gets desperate and tries to fight Gilgamesh in close quarters at the end of Fate.
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>>156973143
What does the Top say?
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>>156973121
She unsheathed it in Zero after Diarmuid figured out what sword it was when she clashed with his Gae Dearg. Invisible Air was serving to hide her identity.
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>>156972751
Not really an expert but fictional I love Gungnir Odin when?
Real life, I love the spears used in jousting, the jousting lance?(don't remember what they called) since it looks heavy and awesome.
inb4 Lance and Spears are different
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>>156973201
Yeah thanks for developing the photos :^)
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>>156972586
>GoB isn't a weapon. Literally all he does is will it to launch a sword and it launches at Servant-killing velocity.

You're right. It launches weapons, weapons that aren't activated as NPs, but are still Noble Phantasms. According to you, as they are still Noble Phantasms, they would all require a significant upkeep to merely keep manifested, but they don't, because having them manifested doesn't require nearly as much mana as having them active.

>As long as it's sheathed, Excalibur isn't sucking her mana like the guzzling thing it is.

Literally never said, you're making shit up. IA increases the attack power of the sword when it's active, but needs to be constantly kept up with mana and dispelled to use Excalibur's swordbeam.

"By using this barrier, Artoria can attack without the opponent recognising the sword’s reach and trajectory. Since concealing one’s Noble Phantasm also conceals one’s true identity, Invisible Air was highly effective at the early stages of the Holy Grail War. It also has other advantages such as increasing attack power and accuracy. Entangling the sword with wind and using the wind as the blade enhances the attack power, while having an “invisible weapon” provides an advantage in accuracy."

>Your mistake is thinking that it's a buff NP
It is a buff NP you moron, read the thing above.

>Karna is making A rank attacks with it in its incomplete form. As a complete spear, who knows what rank of attack he's making?

Ah, my mistake. I didn't realise that every attack Karna was making against Siegfried cost as much as an A-Rank NP. I suppose that means Karna can spam NPs 78 times in rapid succession then?

>The weapons propelled from GoB only stay manifested until they have completed impact. Then they disappear.

They disappear because Gil calls them back, and it doesn't matter because he's still summoning dozens, if not hundreds. When fighting Herc, he had dozens of A and above rank NPs manifest at any given time.
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>>156973330
Roma is in dipshit.
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>>156973143
truly the hero we deserve
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>>156973235
But its more gay to take a man as your wife.
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>>156972772
>And you can only claim that because you're being deliberately thick.

I can claim that because for some reason, you seem to think that having the completed VS manifest and not using its active effect is somehow magically different to Saber having her Excalibur manifest but not using its active effect, you tool.

>It's not "just a spear that he has." It's a fucking EX rank Noble Phantasm. Just having it manifested in full is a major source of mana drain.

So I guess that Excalibur is a major source of mana drain just from being manifest too, huh? You know, since it's an A++ Rank Noble Phantasm.

>Read the VN.
>In the VN IA stops being a thing once people learn her identity
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>>156973328
You're fucking wrong, though. She's using it without invisible air the entire time they fight Heracles in Fate route. In UBW she dispells it when fighting Kojirou and keeps it dispelled.
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>156972550
Oh right! I'm giving you the (You)! How nice of me. Go reply me, maybe I'll give you the (You) this time.
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>>156972871
My AoE Zerkers are Tamacat, Lancelot and the <=3* who honestly I didn't level
And I'm using the various Bride CE on the other servants
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>>156973602
Shirou has to back off from my king.
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>>156973396
Sorry meant for >>156972752
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>>156973121
>She never once unsheathes it in Fate/Zero even after using it and calling its true name against Caster's monster.

And when does she hide it later?

>She never once unsheathes it in Fate/SN even after using it and calling its true name against Bellerophon, except to fight Gilgamesh, at her most desperate moment.

She never even puts it back on the sheath after that you fanwanking tard, you can even see it unsheathed while she's fighting Herakles.

>Then she never unsheathed it again except to use its full strength blast at the end of UBW

She never released it at all in UBW until the end.

Invisible Air is a one-time burst attack that has its uses, which is why she doesn't waste it, but she never once resheathed the blade after releasing it. In fatc, given the one-time-use nature of the wind burst, I'm not sure she can resheath it at all.

All of this ignores that in twelve years of materials, there has never been a single mention of Excalibur draining energy while unsheathed OR invisible air somehow having energy-dampening proprieties. Not one.

Find the quote or shut the fuck up.
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>>156973730
>Still trying to act like he's not majorly assblasted
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>>156973602
Explain. If he becomes my husband isn't it just acknowledging it's gae? It just feels right for him to be wife.
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>>156973857
More like your King needs to back off from Shirou.
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>>156974002
Okay, how about Gilgamesh be the husband, and you be the wife? Two birds with one stone.
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>156973941
Care for more smug posting? I'm waiting mad anon.
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>>156973913
>you can even see it unsheathed while she's fighting Herakles
You are wrong here.
>"Stop…!!"
>Saber slashes at Berserker.
>The invisible sword is swung at Berserker's defenseless arm as if chopping a vegetable.
>But it has no effect.
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>>156974239
Care to keep greentexting my post numbers, retarded ESL shitter? I'm happy to see just how triggered (You) can get.
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>>156973486

>You're right. It launches weapons, weapons that aren't activated as NPs, but are still Noble Phantasms. According to you, as they are still Noble Phantasms, they would all require a significant upkeep to merely keep manifested

Precisely.

>but they don't, because having them manifested doesn't require nearly as much mana as having them active.

That depends. How good of an NP are we talking? An A rank sword is gonna cost more just to keep manifested than a D rank passive effect NP.

>Literally never said, you're making shit up. IA increases the attack power of the sword when it's active, but needs to be constantly kept up with mana and dispelled to use Excalibur's swordbeam.

Read the fucking interviews where Nasu explains what IA is compared to Excalibur. IA is a 30. Excalibur is 1000. It's not a buff. It's a nerf. It seals Excalibur's sharpness and power even when Excalibur isn't being activated.

>Ah, my mistake. I didn't realise that every attack Karna was making against Siegfried cost as much as an A-Rank NP. I suppose that means Karna can spam NPs 78 times in rapid succession then?

Not as much as an A rank activation NP. But probably around the same cost as an A rank passive NP. Servants spend mana very quickly just by fighting. It's why a blackened Servant is so dangerous.

>>156973694

>So I guess that Excalibur is a major source of mana drain just from being manifest too, huh? You know, since it's an A++ Rank Noble Phantasm.

Yeah, that's exactly how it works. Thanks for finally figuring it out.

>In the VN IA stops being a thing once people learn her identity

Yeah all those times she never dispelled it in battle even after people knew who she was.

>>156973714

> She's using it without invisible air the entire time they fight Heracles in Fate route

No she isn't.

>In UBW she dispells it when fighting Kojirou and keeps it dispelled.

Congratulations, you found the one other time she dispels it.
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>>156973913
What's with this argument? Invisible air is meant to hide her identity first and foremost but can't reuse it? She can do it many time as she wants provided she has enough prana to spare resheathing it since it's actually one of her magic abilities.
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NEW
NEW
NEW

>>156974619
>>156974619
>>156974619
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>>156974229
That's even worse.
>>
When will jannu leave?
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>156974423
Hmm yeah I'm definitely triggered that I'm giving you (You)'s and bothers posting images. Wow man, I'm so angry!
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>>156974432
>Ignoring everything about IA increasing base Excalibur's attack power to cry about it being a nerf
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>>156974830

>pretending a 30 is better than a 1000
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>>156974761
Back to the exclamation marks I see. You just keep on with that assblasted greentexting. Really shows me how butthurt you are.
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>>156975001
>>156974761

Holy shit you two just fuck already
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>>156974432
You're ignoring the whole thing about God Hand, a B rank passive NP, being able to almost kill a normal master just by being active. Excalibur, and A++ rank just being active never does such a thing.
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>>156974698
No, its better.
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>>156975078
>hatefuck and tsundere

The buckets of cum they will produce might be enough to shut them up
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>>156975325

>You're ignoring the whole thing about God Hand, a B rank passive NP, being able to almost kill a normal master just by being active

Cite your source on that. The only thing stated that would cost a lot of mana is replenishing the stock of lives.
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>>156975078
No thanks. With his so ass gaping it'd be like fucking air.
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>156975492
>implying she would be the Seme
Nope, I'm the Seme, your the Uke, show me your boipussy.
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>>156975847
>she
>show me your boipussy
Fuck off.
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>>156975421
The fact that Guda can't even manifest it in Grand Order is proof enough. That, and it's already been stated countless times. It's a common fact.
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>>156975421
>Cite your source on that.

FGO, in nearly kills you when you try.

Now find that quite about Excalibur draining energy while unsheathed.
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>>156976228
>in nearly kills you when you try
Gudao only tries activating Herc's ME, which is what almost kills him. He doesn't even attempt manifesting GH because it's far too much for him to handle.
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