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>DCSS Tum Updates:
http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-25-september-2016

>Roguelike Con VODs
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsCqXksJuAkfZRtnW5Pq1mw

New Demon release adds more Sanctums: http://demon.ferretdev.org/devblog/

>Shared DCSS online account.
User: rlgrobin
Password: ownfault (or "robin" on CXC).
Remember, it's not fun if you didn't splat hard!

FAQ and What to Play
FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
What to Play?: http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

>Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/nXBycdgR

You die...
>>156657817
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literally triggered
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good job you fucking retarded NIGGERS
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I have been gone for three months without internet and now my computer is fixed. I must know, has Cata;DDA gotten any better? Worse? Is it still alive???
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where is the new momiji rl pic?
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>>156917743
You can now do your laundry.
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>>156917985
neat. what else?
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>>156917743
they added the requirement to do your laundry

then i think they removed it again

cdda never gets better though anon, it only expands sideways to have more and more shitty oc fursuit recipes
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>>156917743
>>156917985
You also have invisible vitamin requirements.
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>>156918207
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>>156918207
Is this okay?
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>>156918118
The haven't implemented the symptoms, so all they currently do is nag you about eating calcium or whatever.
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How to armour in crawl?
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>>156919396
Just train it to 27.
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>>156919396
most good armor has an evasion penalty, so you should usually ignore dodging and just train armor to 27

once at 27 you can start leveling dodging if you need more.

don't bother with weapon skill before armor is maxed; you only need to die once to game over so more defenses are always better, and in any case you can compensate for low weapon skill just by enchanting your weapon whenever you find scrolls
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What should I play if I want to get into this genre?
What is the best RL?
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>>156920045
maidensnow eve
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>>156920045
>What should I play if I want to get into this genre?
Crawl, DoomRL.
>What is the best RL?
The Binding of Isaac.
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>>156920045
Brogue, DoomRL, Sil, Infra Arcana

I would rate those as good and accessible, with Brogue being the most accessible and Infra Arcana being the least.
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>>156920045

The best RL is obviously Crawl
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has anyone actually played/posted about a Trump mage in PCB
someone should
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>>156920632
People hate spellcasters in crawl because of the sheer tedium, and you think people would cast spells in PCB?

be the change you wish to see in the world
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>>156920632
I've tried a necromancer and it's so miserable when you take the huge exp penalty from pet kills on a class that's very level dependent.

Though a mage could take an offensive realm in addition, so maybe it isn't as bad.
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>>156920817
i'm already playing an archer in pcb

although i am in that mid 30's-40's area where there isn't really much to do and it gets kinda boring so maybe i will make a new character
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>>156921048
i would probably do beastmaster rather than mage if i was doing it
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>>156920045
ADOM
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>>156920817

>sheer tedium

it's not tedium if it makes normally hard things way easier
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Found my first vehicle that needs no repairs to run on this character.

It may not have luxuries like an intact window, passenger door, headlights or a safe speed with any actual speed, but it works.

I think so, at least. The faulty water pump engine problem has no in-game effects, right? It starts and as far as I know vehicles can't overheat, unless it has a chance of causing engine damage when on or something.
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Am I winning, /rlg/?

>>156917783
In the near future.
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>>156922317
What did your raichu have?
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>>156922634
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Is playing offline crawl the reason my friendly units still have the heart symbol instead of being in that circle?
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>>156922974
If you haven't updated in a while, yes.
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>>156923020
0.18.1
Any other reason?
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>>156922974
no, playing older versions of crawl is the reason friendly units still have the heart symbol instead of being in that circle

it's a feature in trunk but not in .18
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ive been playing crawl for ~5 years

well over 800(?) runs

never got the orb even once
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>>156923173
That makes sense. I thought something was wrong.
Thanks.
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>>156923626
do mibbbe
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>>156923626
pressing tab is tempting, isn't it?
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>>156923870
i have. ive tried everything. i just get too antsy
pop on vault 5 a ton

anyway i dont like berserkers

>>156923931
also just forgetting about consumables and whatnot
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just beat my first TGGW run
didn't think to take a screenshot but i had about 30k points
boosted my block to obscene levels and wielded a sweet dagger so i could just counterattack everything to death
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>>156924002
>pop on vault 5 a ton
rF+++, ?immo, ?noise, laugh.

>i dont like berserkers
GrFi is free Lair at the absolute least and since they have so much AC you can just wear a robe and branch out into all sorts of fun magic around Orc or so. I'm considering just starting out as a Skald since the Book of Battle is so nice, but it's the fighter starting equipment that makes it tab2win.
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>>156922123
Oops.

Probably bumping into walls and a scooter earlier didn't help matters.
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>>156926890
that's a heck of a shrub
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>>156923626
I will never be able to understand awfulplayers.
Just don't be dumb. Do you go for >3 runes when you could win and die in post?
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>>156918207
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>>156926890
RIP truck-chan
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>>156931479
Her murderous spree ends here.
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Infra Arcana 19.0 screwed me. Depth 7 and no way to traverse the dungeon to staircase or glyph. I read a mayhem scroll, if that matters.
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>>156936398
Sometimes the secret doors are just in a really shitty place.
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For a felid, should I ever get strength on level up? Dexterity gives diminishing returns at some point if I'm not mistaken so would it help to increase strength at that point?
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>>156920045
PosChengBand, ToME4 (Tales of Maj'Eyal), ADOM, DooMRL, Infra Arcana.
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>MuMo dreams again
Will the madness ever end
Can't I just dream of falling down to my death or something
Or dicks and his lovable pirate crew
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>beastmasters don't even get a spell until level 3
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>>156937818
>Dexterity gives diminishing returns at some point if I'm not mistaken
Dex gets stepped down when you hit 23, but keeps bring the most optimal choice until 31/33.
After that point, you're just wasting points.
Most people won't ever get near that even as a felid without +dex gear though, so you're safe.

+str on a felid is garbo because of just how much str you'd need compared to dex for it to be actually relevant with your UC.
In fact I would go as far as saying that unless you already have 31 dex on any character or are a DE with 3 str that wants to wear TLA, you should never statup with str. It's a terrible choice, even with the new numbers. The math is just against it.
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>>156930723

he said he always splat in V:$
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>>156938209

>no damage is better than some damage

2 (two) int posters seems to be at it again
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a trap summoned one of these on D:2

thanks chris
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>>156917454
Where can I acquire this lewd tummy game? Love me some tum.
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>>156917743
Volume is measured in milliliters instead of 250ml units now.
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failed summons spells summon hostile monsters, and apparently these can give xp
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>>156939412
>you see here: A condom (used) (500 ml of horse semen)
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summoning dicks
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Hey Demon dev, are you in here? Is there any way to change the font? It's killing me, dude.
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>>156940303

Awoo does not have mammaries.
Do not sexualize the awoo.
Do summon the dicku though.
>you will never play diablo 2 mods with dicks and balls and all his friends
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Is anything in the Book of the Warp worthwhile? It has to be the shittest intermediate book.
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Why are amulets disallowed for MuMo now that clarity isn't a thing anymore?

Why is "reflection not allowed?
Shields of reflection are allowed.
Should we ban reflection too?
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>>156941751
the strong part about "reflect isn't the reflect

its the free 2-6 SH
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>>156941829
>the strong part about "reflect isn't the reflect

I don't know man, having a shield of resistance with reflection as a plus seems really silky to me.

And you might say that having free statups every five levels (which wasn't a thing until .16) would make the challenge harder for .15 MuMos.

And let's not get into the shitfest that is the rework of shields compared to .15
Shitfest MuMotaphorically speaking, it's a great change but .15 MuMos are greatly impaired compared to .16+ MuMos
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>>156941591
CBLINK
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>>156942084
Haven't you heard? Cblink was removed in trunk.
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>>156942142

noice
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You never find this shit on your Cj runs
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>>156942486
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>>156942486
>playing casters
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>>156942683
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>>156942486

then you splat to some freexp cuz baddie
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>>156940303
what game is this?
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>>156942915
demon.ferretdev.org

that screenshot is fake tho
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I always love this vault
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>>156943514
Eyes of draining always look extra friendly.
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>oh it's as if crawl combat was heavily RNG reliant

TWO IN A ROW
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>and then there's this GrMo son of a bitch that died in the ossuary

Fuck you
It was all scrolls
ALL SCROLLS
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Yeah fuck you too game.
Literally went down stairs and got instagibbed
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>>156943717
Seconding this request.
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>What news from the West, O wandering wind, do you
bring to me tonight?
Have you seen Dicku the Tall by moon or by starlight?
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>>156945221
i mean you could probably do it yourself with 10 seconds in paint.net
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>>156945314
>editing images with a laptop touchpad
You seem to think I have a real computer for some reason.
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>14 EV/13 SH defenses
>ogre does 30+ damage to me while I'm pillardancing him
>dead

Goodbye cloak.

>+4 EV from cloak
>+6 ring of STR
>large shield
All gone.
Gone, gone gone.
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>>156943717
>>156945221
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Where do I get the CDDA pack Rycon is using here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBvVABW7c4&list=PLxIQ9fpV90xNgZLxMl6qSc_KzRvf-2-7y&index=2
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>>156948280
nevermind, just need to find the mouse enable mod
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>>156940303
[Touch fluffy tail.]
[Pat poofy head.]
>[Rub dat fukken tummy.]
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So I am new to this whole roguelike thing. Being a sucker for Tolkien universe I decided to try out Sil. However it is all in ASCII, and while I am used to this from playing games many years ago, my eyes would prefer a tileset, does such a thing exist for Sil?
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>>156943717
Just read it backwards you nigger
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Someone do MuMo in DCSS:CA extreme mode.
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>>156950859
I don't play Sil, but a quick search reveals this: in the Sil folder, open sil.ini and change Graphics=0 to Graphics=1. The tiles look terrible, but it's better than nothing if you really don't want ASCII.
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>>156951385
Is that circus animals
fuck you that stuff is shit I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole
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>>156951478
Ya, I found that, but like you said, it is really quite terrible, it makes things harder to read. Well Ill stick to the ASCII then I guess.
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Is a staff of a specific element better than a staff of conjurations for an elemental conjuration? Or just the same modifier?
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>>156922317
How many cycles is this
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>>156951695
Sil is beautiful
And if you're actually a tolcuck then you'd love to use your own imagination instead of having someone else's imagery spoonfed to you like some mentally handicapped retard
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>>156951524
It's funny because dcssca is actually more fun than nucrawl and has a better and more consistent design
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>>156953602
it's funny because you're the only one that thinks that.
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>>156923626
>well over 800(?) runs
800 runs of crawl can be anything from ~2 hours to 8000 hours
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>>156952914
Same modifier, but the staves of [element] also make decent weapons.
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>sil has a map amnesia effect
time to return to the good old "screenshot my surroundings before IDing something" habit
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>>156953674
Haha
It's funny because I'm right
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>>156953602
Your opinion won't make me stop playing it. Thnx for sharing.
I would like to see MuMo in it just out of interest of how it would play out compared to vanilla.
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>>156955043
So what
it's literally free xp with no possible drawbacks
and you're the freexpest race for it
you have no right to complain
I got a D3 fucking centaur as a MuMo
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>>156954740
>but the staves of [element] also make decent weapons.
not really
you'd need to waste exp on both staves and evocation (and have high elemental magic) to make them a subpar weapon good enough to beat most popcorn
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Why the heck are so many images in this thread 404'ing for me? If someone got b& their entire post would be removed, right?
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>>156955043
>>156955370
Seconding this, it's basically a free potion of exp you dummy
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>Components for an optimal MuMo:

>level 5 dex statup
>at least 2 AC before D4
>ring of RF before lair
>ring of MR before lair
>Shield
>level 10 dex/str statup
>ring of evasion during lair
>volcano during lair for aux RF armor

If all these apply, you have an optimal MuMo.
If they partially apply, you have a good MuMo.
If none of the above apply have fun pillardancing that orc warrior for five minutes.
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Can I take him?
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Do draining weapons still lower the XP you get?
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>>156957352
if you have to ask, you can't take him
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>>156956728
i have the same bug sometimes
something wrong with the site, has been happening for the past week or two on every board
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>>156957352
depends on what spells you have on and at what spellpower
most likely you can take him though, he isn't that hard unless you're undead or play a low base dmg weapon meleedude.
also he's fast so you need to tele or fight him anyways.
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>>156957352
If your main damage is spells, then no
He'll cast silence and fuck you up
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why does Oka keep gifting me these shitty throwing weapons
i don't even have a single point in throwing
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>>156958463
if it makes you feel better they're unrelated to the main gifting mechanism so essentially it's the same as getting nothing
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>>156958463
Ammo/throwing stuff are on seperate timer than actual weapon/armor gifts, so just ignore it
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>no, it is you trapped in here with us
these enemies can fuck off
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>playing caster
>tfw randart +5 boots of +blink rcorr dex+3 -CAST
just tab myself
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>the one time I don't start as an axe user
>+5 executionner's axe of freezing on D9
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Is it any good the DF adventurer mode?
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>>156959785
Come back in seven years
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Does Song of Slaying affect bow attacks in Sil?
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>>156957352

Hey guys newfag here

Can you make your inventory show up at the bottom right like this in the online version (0.18)?
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>>156941591
Disjunction is hella good actually if you don't want anything to melee you. It's just one of those spells that you'll never learn because why would you if there's Controlled Blink in the same fucking book.

There's also Portal Projectile there now in trunk, so you can count that too.
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>>156942073
Reflection on its own (without the SH bonus from the amulet) looks better than it actually is. All it does is make you not have to approach the archers, except you never have to, just go around the corner or dig a hole and they'll come to you themselves.

Reflection is only noticeable against LCS really and maybe against OoD too, but you should evade those instead.
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so i was playing as a FE and found a staff of fire.
should i train evocations then? until which level?
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>>156955043
?
just walk away
it's fucking speed 8
also that guardian mummy is a part of the trove vault, not a standard spawn on the map
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>>156961459
No, the same way you cannot have the neat online windows in offline version.

>>156959482
>the one time I play a ruk thrower
>find Sharnga
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>>156962531
don't bother unless you
- have all spells you need at decent % and hunger
- have at least 9 in fighting and dodging each
- already put points in Staves
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Filthy clothing mod for CDDA has permanent filthy clothes or can you take that [TAG] off of them somehow? I tried washing them and nothing worked.
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Robin has his helmet
uncle yiff has his cloak
nikola has his gloves
but no unique drops his boots
this is unacceptable
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>>156964032
Nessos usually has a barding
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>>156920632
PCB Trump realm magic is better as a support realm for somebody with other ways of dealing damage, but it is possible. The thing is, your offense is going to be coming mostly from summons (which screw you out of xp) and devices (which take inventory space). Trump spells are relatively easy to cast, so it works well on things like Beastmaster, Rogue, etc which have other sources of offense.

It's kindof like Sorcery high mage: possible, but it means using a lot of devices.
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>>156964032
Roxanne makes me rock hard errytiem.
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>>156939425
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>>156964032
I thought this was a poem at first
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What's the best creature to use Yred Enslave Soul on?
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>>156965256
You're waifu.
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>>156965367
no you are
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>>156965256
golfball of fire
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>>156965367
DELTEKJTE THIDS
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>>156964032
I imagine Jessica's boots, after a long day of casting, must be absolutely disgusting from marinating in sweat, grease and bacteria. When she pulls off her boots at the end of the day, she probably gets flustered at just how smelly and rancid her bare feet are; her own body betraying all standards of decency by producing an unbelievably lewd and slimy, biohazardous zone of filth within her own footwear. It's almost fascinating how something so foul and pungent could come from a unique so cute. What a contrast!
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>>156967000
>tfw you will never lick Jessica's rancid feet and she will never take a greasy shit on your chest
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>>156967000
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>>156967000
skellington feet bestest most cleanestest feet
filthy mortals
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>>156967000
U-unf
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>tfw killing a hydra in melee with a chopping, non-flame weapon
Who /absolute madman/ here
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>>156967835
I often do that with scissorhands.
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>>156967835
I do that once I'm powerful enough to take the hits or to kill it fast enough
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cute

>>156968115
>>156968412
I survived with 2 hp
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>>156967835
qw hydra strats: get it to maximum heads so it can't grow any more heads

though actually it does carry hydraswaps sometimes now I guess
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>>156968475
that looks pretty easy
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>>156969158
It was, especially considering there was another stair against a wall a bit further in the same room
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>>156955580
>waste exp...staves
Staves aren't actually bad weapons. Their gimmick is "good but twohanded" and they take very little skill to use effectively. Skill level 14 isn't even a whole Lair branch for most characters.
>waste exp...evocation
Evocations is never a bad use of EXP, it just might not be an optimal use of EXP at that moment. Furthermore, as he posts here, he probably adheres to /rlg/ meta which favors getting some Evocations.
>and have high elemental magic
The context is that of a conjurer picking between two staves. Given that the best conjurations have an elemental crosspath it's safe to say that he has high elemental magic.
>to make them a subpar weapon good enough to beat most popcorn
If that's all you need, then that's perfectly fine. I wasn't suggesting that it's a pro-strat or anything, I was just saying that sans an alternative, staves of [element] are okay as MP-conservers.
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>>156970217
>Staves aren't actually bad weapons
You haven't even read his post have you.
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FE here
is ring of flames a good investment? i don't know about training charms.
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what do you think of Rogue legacy and Enter the Gungeon ?
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>Hell portal at the bottom of the Lair

What? Isn't it supposed to be at the bottom of the regular dungeon (depths now)?
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>>156968535
i thought qw hydrastrats were just "use bia"
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in dcss is there a way to use a monster sprite for my tile?
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>>156970523
it's less good now that Haste is out of the picture so you get less out of your charms training

unless you're not in trunk

i might still do it if you have other good highlevel charms like dmsl
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>>156970217
evocations is always a shit waste of exp when you're a fucking conjurer
evocations are simply worse than the spells you cast with your mana, and have a cooldown timer. aside from the air evoker that can push enemies back they're pretty bad anyways.
while you certainly can train evo, it's just 10 times better to spend all that exp on something useful, like getting your lvl 6 spells online and high spellpower so you don't even need to consider using evocable since you just kill everything with 2 casts of iron shot.
> I was just saying that sans an alternative, staves of [element] are okay as MP-conservers.
by the point you run out of mp as a blastercaster, you should just be running away anyways
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>>156971053
yeah when using trog that's definitely true
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>>156970931
reported
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>>156970523
it's a ok source of rf+ if you're lacking that
useful vs some extended threats, ok if you're meleeing dudes, but your exp could be way better spent on something else.
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>>156971036
Was it the lair vault with all the demons with tridents?
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>>156971461
Yep, in the middle of a forest with a big pool of lava though it was mostly ice devils (?)
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>>156971036
that lair ending has been in the game since forever, i think.
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>>156971107
Yes, there most certainly is.
>>
Anyone know where I can get older versions of Dungeon Crawl? I'm trying to find at most .3.4, but the earliest I can find is .5. I can't even find Linley's Crawl because the website that ostensibly has it is broken.

I just want Enchantments+player-spell Paralyze.
A build with a working 2pak is also acceptable.
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>>156971674
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>>156972418
you know what if you did this
what if now that you know there is a way, you tried to google how
crazy idea
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qw zigclear when
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>>156972418
>>156972529

that guy wasn't me
i tried googling but I only found guides and stuff for tile creation and submission
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>>156972789
you gotta try harder then
imagine the payoff
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>>156972789
>is there an option for [...]
read options_guide.txt
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>>156971107
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt
You need tile_player_tile
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>>156971036
hell/pan/abyss portals aren't unique, there can be multiple of each around

so there will still be hellportals in depths as well
>>
Did they fix Cata yet?
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I can't be the only one with a sick fucking fascination with Octopods, no?
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>>156974296
how can you fix something that never worked?
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>>156974578
they're so smart and yet with these weird nonlocalized intelligences

also I have an unhealthy attraction to "eventually...." builds in roguelikes so that's cool too
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>>156972131
Google DCSS sourceforge.
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>>156974578
They are the coolest animals in real life and sometimes I torture myself by trying to play one in DCSS even though I'm shit. I had one going super well once then I fucked it up.
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>>156975232
Found it! Thank you anon!
>>
Do you guys play anything else besides roguelikes from time to time?

I think the last non-roguelike game I've ever played was oblivion back in '10 with fits of D2 and Torment in the middle.
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>>156975709
I mostly play non-roguelikes except during rl binges

one of the things I really like about rlg is that I can read and participate in roguelikey stuff without always needing to actually be running a character without feeling in the mood for it. vicarious a best.
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>>156959785
It's getting better.
The latest big thing is the ability to construct wooden buildings and furniture in adventure mode, and pretend you're playing fort mode instead.
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>>156975709
I play only roguelikes for about a month, then I don't play roguelikes for about a year.
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>>156975709
>Do you guys play anything else besides roguelikes from time to time?
I have forgotten what it feels to play a non turn-based videogame with graphics.
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>>156975709
The occasional yuri visual novel. Not like my toaster can play much else.
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>>156974578
OpTm — my favourite combo.
>>
lol you nerds really play these games? i thought they were just jokes lol
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>>156976586
OverPowerTooMuch?
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>>156975709
Starcraft 2. Now thinking how the fuck can one cheesy build be countered, coming up only with even more cheesy proxy rushes to stop it before minute 4.
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>>156976707
OctoPonyTicklingMe
>>
you guys are weird
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>>156975709
I often speedrun some vidya.
Now i'm trying to speedrun La-Mulana.
>>
Is there anything more triggering than those elven niggers stealing your loot and scattering it all over E3?
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>>156977803
>speedrunning
>not taking it easy
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>>156977874
Yes.
Random trash mobs reading scrolls of summoning.
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>>156975709
Lot of strategy games, Dominions 4 is the big one for me right now. I've often thought that a lot of the Dominions 4 crunch and fluff would work very well in an RPG of some sort, and roguelikes would be a natural way to do that. It has some fairly unique systems, though, so I couldn't just reskin a *band or something.
>>
Okay I've been trying to figure out my armor selection in DCSS. The knowledge bot mentions a "!armourdodgepenalty" command you can use to calculate it but where/how do I use that command? I feel like I might be missing something obvious for where to find this.
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>>156978298
in the irc channel, obviously

probably ignore that tho
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>>156974578
No, I always make Octopodo berserkers and the like, it's actually not that hard unless you are going
>mage
Tabby Octopodo best Octopodo
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>>156978457
>all that slaying
>constriction
>"I'm going to hit things with magic."
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>>156977875
i'm 2pro4chei
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So, why does assigning the Winged Snail as a breeder at a ranch produce Shades?
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>>156978861
I don't really see the point of mage on Crawl
Not only does it take 4x more time than just tabbing, the point where spells actually get good takes forever to reach
I mean, I don't really see anything that useful about it besides Necromutations
A fucking Disc of Storms already does better magic and can be used by anyone
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>>156978015
>no forging
>no rituals
>no blood magic
>probably not any high-tier spells unless you're an agent of one of the pretenders
In Dominions, being a little guy over a little period of time isn't what I would call a fun experience. How You Snuck Into The Enemy Camp and Killed a Pretender would be an interesting game, though.
>>
>>156978298
Use !aevp instead.
You can subscribe to a bot that will always spectate you and relay most of the irc bots to webtiles too.
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>>156979164
certain breeders produce random monsters as offspring instead of only ones of their own race

i think the little girl does that too
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>>156960892
ummm i think so
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>>156979629
play as a turkeywizard engaging in mage duels against poorly-made level 1 astral magic pretenders
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So should I spend this enchantment scroll on the teleport charm? I'm two plusses away from being able to teleport literally every turn.
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fuck mara
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>>156979164
do ranches make you rich
what are you supposed to do with ranches
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>>156981206
don't mind if I do
>>
>Noa is back and making a game called Elin.

>It's Elona with high resolution animations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgYj2hLYCPs
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Is dungeonmans good?
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>>156977803
Any interesting route changes since 2014?
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>>156980492
Alright, thanks.
Also, is there something specific I should be saving my Small Medals for?
I've got 65 at the moment so enough for Diablo but I have no idea if it's worth it.

>>156981316
Get monies, yes.
Also for milking fantasies.
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>>156982059
Shield Tonfa or Sage Helm is a better first choice. Diablo is quickly outclassed by other weapons.
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>>156979629
I really wasn't thinking of just playing as a regular human guy or anything. Just that the most fun I have in the game is often in gearing up a commander and getting them into adventures, even if I'm not following the MLG prostrats thugging guide or anything. I've often wanted a game that's just that.

The true most fun in Dominions is playing MA Ermor and drowning the world in skeletons.

I think a lot of the concepts could be carried over fairly directly. You've got races, some sort of class system, equipment slots, then somewhat non-standard stat and magic systems. Hell the nature of teleporting thugs around is sort of a way to throw the player into unexpected random encounters. Man you even have all sorts of different encounter types from classing dungeon diving, assassinating commanders, duels with powerful mages or SCs, raiding PD, or going full-on Dynasty Warriors with a vine shield and fire brand.

Shit this is actually a better idea than I thought at first. I once made a horribly inefficient FizzBuzz code, that basically makes me qualified for figuring out how to make a new game, right?
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what the literal fuck
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>>156983553
Everything's better, anon, down where it's wetter.

Take it from me.
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Ah, got myself a new version of Elo, Time to fire it up and stare at character creation for a few hours before shitting out a Golem Predator thinking I'm clever.
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If I'm a GrCj with 16 Conj/16 Earth and 7 spell slots available, do I

a) learn Iron Shot
b) learn OoD
c) forget some of this shit / get more Spellcasting and learn both?

I have Shatter in a book somewhere, but I don't think learning it with this character is realistic.
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>>156983945
what's so special about a Golem Predator?
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>>156983020
>dungeon diving
You'd have to turn your loot in to your pretender, and nothing you could find would be better than what you'd been supplied with.
>assassinating commanders
That be interesting as a very short roguelike, along the lines of Rogue Effect.
>duels with powerful mages
At low level:
>anon casts raise dead
>enemy casts blink
>anon casts raise dead
>enemy casts blink
>anon casts raise dead
>etc.
>the forces of [enemy] have routed x50
At mid level:
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>enemy casts fireball
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>enemy casts fireball
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>etc.
>the forces of [enemy] have routed x50
At high level:
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>enemy casts summon earthpower
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>enemy casts iron warriors
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>enemy casts strength of giants
>anon casts horde of skeletons
>etc.
>the forces of [enemy] have routed x50
Not exactly an exciting prospect.
>[grinding]
no
>thugging
better
>I once made a horribly inefficient FizzBuzz code, that basically makes me qualified for figuring out how to make a new game, right?
I wish.
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>>156984367

Nothing, but it's a dumb idea.
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Somebody, Somewhere is getting off to this.
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>>156985326

DIM GOT NERFED.
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>>156985326
>>156985769
What game?
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>>156984763
I wasn't planning on sticking that religiously close to the source material. Making an actual fun game with Dominions content would be the goal. Of course, after a certain (very small) amount of changing things around it becomes a question of why you're beholden to the Dominions theme in the first place.

I think I may actually work on this though. At least a little bit more than just daydreaming about it on 4chan.
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>>156986103

Elona.
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>>156986103
Elona, obviously.
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Is the only way to get past floor 31 the high priest? How do you beat him?
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>>156986634
>>156986749
You mean Elona+, or another mod?
>>
what roguelike has the best music
I say it's down to DoomRL or Elona
>>
>>156987208
Forgot to say this was IA
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>>156984187
i find that keeping shit like magic dart/stone arrow (to combo with battlesphere) for popcorn is a waste of time, just hit them with a 1 hander. you also have dazzling spray for that
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>>156979178
The heavy spells are fun to use.
Winning is boring, anyway.
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>>156970931
>Roguelites
Haven't played Gungeon. Playing Rogue Legacy was incredibly fun the first 50 times around, but once you reach the lategame the backtracking gets tedious.

>>156981135
Do it. You're only on D11, you'll find at least half a dozen extra scrolls anyway.
But after that, enchant Lighting some more. You need a way to deal with imps if you ever land next to one and it steals the charm.
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>>156983020
>I once made a horribly inefficient FizzBuzz code, that basically makes me qualified for figuring out how to make a new game, right?
That's more experience than most roguelike devs start with.
Most roguelike devs don't finish their projects, so your odds aren't GREAT, but you're certainly entitled to a try.
>>
>>156974681
By giving it a job, commie
>>
Can I open a treasure trove that requires a "+5 demon blade" with a +5 demon blade of venom?
>>
Does anyone have more recent Qud to pirate?

It's not actually bad, but terribly buggy, terribly slow, and unbalanced. The things that should improve with more recent versions (right?).

The lore is original as fuck despite ripping off Dune, the fucking around is quite fun and it's a roguelike that doesn't tryhard into having a definite direction that you either follow or fail to follow.
>>
>>156990667
yes
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>>156991026
What if it's an artifact?
What if it's +6
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>>156991163
>What if it's an artifact?
idk, try it (probably yes)

>What if it's +6
yes
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>>156922317
>>156922805
>Getting a raicho to the end game
I am impressed. I think giving it those abilities with rabblerouser is really good, given its speed and all.
>>
>>156990832
Yes, I have the latest update from Friday.
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>>156996140
zomg torrent pls
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>>156996140
gib pls
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>>156996140
>>156996616
>>156996814
Doesn't it kill your character once you reach level 14 because it checks with Steam or something to make sure that you own the copy?
>>
>>156996940
Not as far as I know. I own it on steam but you can run the exe from the folder without steam running. I've loaded up characters and brought them to level 14 and nothing happened.

>>156996814
>>156996616
no
>>
just tabbed mennas to death not even losing half of my hp
i feel empty inside
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>>156997404
Fuck you then you fucking nigger kike jew bitch cuck woman tard cunt
bitch
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>>156997404
>no
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>>156997645
>>156997614
i don't want to get arrested
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>>156997697
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>>156997697
>>
>>156998164
>>156997863
okay fine

https://mega.nz/#!yVln3ALJ!XlBffAYOVIeRE-a-etRcF_fLkMqpwIWf0W2kEkUuI_w
>>
>>156998460
inb4 dolphin porn
>>
>>156998460
>1.7 MB

It's dolphin porn.
>>
>>156998617
>>156998559
No it isn't the game is really just that small.
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>>156998460
>1.7 mb
>>
>>156998689
Dolphin porn would've been funnier.
Is it the whole novel?
>>
>>156998839
should be
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>>156998460
Kek.
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>>156998878
Now I've run out of all excuses to read it.
Can I meme in /lit/ with the best if I do?
I've already read Also Sprach Zarathustra.
>>
>>156998979
>>156998839
>>156998617
>>156998559
okay here's the real thing

https://mega.nz/#!6VUThL6C!nhZy2t7D2yTSM2i0QmtaFv7YKeybcsdhgaL2uffEpa8
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>>156999147
I'll rek you m8.
Better watch it.
>>
>>156999291
it's for real, i swear

>>156999126
it's actually decent but it's a slog
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>>156999147
>it's literally cogmind
>>
Here you go lads, for real this time:
https://mega.nz/#!oN8wgZBL!VTONOneuYW0IqzfNMxpBy-QHg2lxrcmlLcsKmHkdqUY
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>>156999867
>>
I'm torn between curiosity and not wanting to join anon's botnet.
>>
>>157000380
>>156998460
is an epub of Infinite Jest

>>156999147
is Cogmind

>>157000192
idk what this is
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??
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I had forgotten how fucking brutal crypt is
>>
Okay, no more fucking around, this one actually is the latest Caves of Qud build from this Friday.

https://mega.nz/#!LcsgnSQS!5SWkC4lje7qKAInAWOyJwgyfl8FN2WUVIyxOuXSFUqE
>>
DDA question: I took the first step towards autism and planted some seeds, what's next? Do I need to water them somehow?
>>
So, how is Caves of Qud anyways? I was thinking of getting it soonish.
>>
>>156998460
>>156999147
>>157000192
>>157001143
Fucking buggers.

Aight guys, the hero has arrived. I'll save you and your children.
https://mega.nz/#!PBlX3BLD!cmsDDL9Xva6LEL_K_uQjSONJkYu7lRkmorSY-lxDRuo
>>
>>157001413
>4.8 mb
>>
>>157001335
It's shit and unfinished. And the creators are SA goons.
>>
>>157000607
cute
>>
>>157001512
It's the magic of 7z, it's legit.
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>>157001413
i'm scared
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>>157001308
And fertilizer.
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randarts in vanilla angband seem to suck pretty hard

>>157001550
>It's shit and unfinished. And the creators are SA goons.
one could say the same for this site, except 4chan possibly is finished
>>
>>157001308
No, plants are currently low on autism and only require planting and waiting. Fertilizer can speed it up a bit, but that's all.
>>
>>157001751
The different though, is that moot and his friends left SA when that place went full crazy SJW, many years ago. The programmers of Qud are modern SA goons, who have embraced the trigger completely.
>>
>>157001413
>the complete starter kit
Nice.
>>
>>157001751
>4chan is finished
IT'S OVER
>>
why is awoo so shit
>>
Oh cool, just got my first Desolation portal on a character that I really don't want to splat by doing something dumb. What should I do to be prepared for the area? Does it have the exits right by the entrances like the other portals?
>>
>>157001849
I thought at the very least they simply didn't like pedophiles. Today they seem way too sarcastic to be actual SJWs for all I can care.

Pedo purge WHEN?
>>
>>157002039
triggered
>>
>>157002203
Nevermind, I forgot to stop flying and a Titan killed me with airstrike as I was heading up stairs.
>>
>>157002568
>Pedo purge WHEN?
When you are ready.
I am doing my part.
Together we can 404 pedos
ASS WE CAN
>>
>Elona
>Spend twenty minutes trying to raise Charisma above 3
>Gain a few points
>Do a job
>Die
>Lose two points

Seriously fuck the stat penalty for dying.
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>>157004701
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Okay, which is the best god for a MuNe, circa 0.1?
>Mahkleb
He provides HP or MP on kill, gives better minions than Animate Dead does, and gives access to non-negative energy damage.
>Okawaru
He gives you the ability to Might, Haste, and heal yourself on command, and also weapon gifts.
>Vehumet
Improves your direct damage spells+conjurations (I have none except Pain/Vampiric Draining) and gives spellbooks full of more. Also gives MP on kill but it's objectively inferior to Makhleb's.
>Yred
Lets me do stuff I can already do but also gives waifus.
>Kiku
Gives me books to let me improve on what I can do and also other neat stuff. I don't think he's changed much over the years.
>Xom
literally why would I pick him
>Nemelex
Allows me to pray away all the floortrash in return for decks of stuff, which allow pseudopotion effects and more.
>Sif Muna
I have no idea how much she's changed over the years; I only have a vague understanding (thanks to posts about how old Crawl was different) that she was objectively inferior to Vehumet.
>>
>>157005439
>old Sif
>inferior to anything when playing a mummy
kys

MuSu master race here
>>
>>157004816
kys pedo
>>
>tfw they ruined yu-gi-oh god
>>
>>157005756
GARGOYLE BEGONE
>>
>>157006287
I still don't understand how did gargoyleposter get associated with me.
I'm the original antipedo and I removed myself from crawl long before gargoyles were in the game.
>>
>>157001308
You wait for the plant to turn into a green '^', then a green '#', and finally a BRIGHT green '#'. Then you examine it to harvest the plant and some more seeds. Then you use a hoe to re-till the earth, and re-plant your seeds, and soon you'll have so much oatmeal it no longer fits on a single tile.
That is the time to start building crates.
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>>157001751
Too brutal.
>>
>It's a caster clown car episode.
>>
is -tele on amulets a suicide?
>>
>>157006431
probably because of this >>156917985
>>
>Close game
Is this bitch serious?
>>
YOU SHOULD QUIT THE GAME IMMEDIATELY
>>
>>157007746
no, amulets can be removed relatively quickly
-tele on armor is the one that's a definitive 'do not use this item'
>>
>>157008304
Is he?
>>
>>157008971
>xe

Also, reminded me about something:
>Possessed of the enterprising spirit that stirred in Hegelrut ages ago, Asphodel [called the Lovely] recently flitted toward the Spindle with xyr asphodelytes in tow and crowned xemself Earl of Omonporch. There xe reposes in the musa grove, under the Great Shade, unfurling xyr petals into perfect contours and holding court.
Guess the roguelike
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>>156958010
It seems to have fixed itself when I switched from chrome to firefox, but maybe that's just a question of time passed.
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>>157009776
Asphodel is literally a plant though
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>>157009776
Qud!
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>>157010827
Yes!
The reward has not been posted in this thread because le meems
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>>157011209

>>157001143
actually is CoQ
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>>157009776
I want to vomit.
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>get on shared dcss account
>splat some guys lategame character

there was no reason for it except for pure malice but damn did it feel good
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>>157001143
>>157011627
Can confirm that it's qud files.
Scanned it twice, and avast! says it's safe. Opened it up, ran it, and it has the disgusting blue tint and True Kin name that I was warned about. Not sure how new that makes it.
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Is this worth putting points into as HoFi of beogh
Would it be a mistake to give this to one of my followers
also, how does gifting work? can I give one item to each follower, or just one item per game?
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>>157012653
Good job, you are literally no different than an RNG.
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>>157012756
I uploaded it, I can confirm it's the absolute latest update, as of the 7th of this month.
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>>157012756
True Kin name?
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>>157012918
i didn't even do it haha

i lied

haha

i lied i did it
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>>157009776
>Possessed of the enterprising spirit that stirred in Hegelrut ages ago, Asphodel [called the Lovely] recently flitted toward the Spindle with its asphodelytes in tow and crowned itself Earl of Omonporch. There it reposes in the musa grove, under the Great Shade, unfurling its petals into perfect contours and holding court.
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>>157009776

This gives me an idea involving a god of chaos and a joke involving gender pronouns.
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>>157013263
*ugh*
How biggoted
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>>157012909
No, because you'll hurt your pack.
Yes.
1 item per named follower.
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>>157013178
haha
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>>157013432
i didn't even do it i just lied on the internet cos i thought it would be funny hjaha
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>>157012963
>when qud was abandoned a long time ago there were two starts
>Mutated Human & True Man
>Mutated Humans get sweet powers in exchange for relatively low stats
>True Men get sweet gear+stats+robo control in exchange for not being a mutated human with sweet powers
>after he picks it up again years later, dev decides that True Man is somehow offensive
>changes the name
>still have two starts; Mutated Human & True Kin
>it's not the same though
>never will be again
>>157012957
I don't trust you, anon. You metaphorically gave a hobo some trash when he asked for a turd.
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>>157013334
Xe xo xem Xom
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>>157012653
>wow i can't play this game at all and i just died like a retard YET AGAIN
>quick, make a smug frog post on /rlg/ to save face
>damage control
>MAXIMUM DAMAGE CONTROL
here's your (You)
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>>157013503
>dev decides that True Man is somehow offensive
OK now I'm offended
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>>157013503
The last update gave Watervine Farmers Skillful Harvestry at start. Go and make a Watervine Farmer and see if he has Skillful Harvestry.
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>>157013367
And I thought I might've been set. Oh well. At least I found a good chunk of other artifacts to pass down.
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>>157013715
It's pretty awesome... If your god doesn't punish you for using it.
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>>157013178
MOM'S GONNA FREAK
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how hard is it to ascend with a CK?
Xom is fun as fuck
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>>157014350
Xom is one of the best gods in the game simply for the number and quality of mutations he gives you.
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What's even the point of *drain *slow *corrode artifact armor? Do people actually bother with them? I can understand maybe on jewelry for swap resists but that's about it, they're just "don't use this garbage" for me.
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kek
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>>157014494
*drain is usable if it's something you're unlikely to find a replacement for for a while
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>>157015380
kek
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new discord dudes https://discord.gg/qaDJDNx
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>>157017075
Is this some sort of an attention whoring circlejerk for subhumans?
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>>157017546
yes, however what's that thing he linked?
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>>157015380
>not sure if swastika or loss
okay yea I'm goign to sleep a bit now
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>>157017075
why is this being spammed in multiple generals?
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>>157018616
that's the /rlg/ discord retart
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>>157018849
Sure it is
>>157017515
>>157014632
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>>157019159
>no tf2 roguelike
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>>157017075
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>>157019691
tf2 is a roguelike tho
at least if you play medic
>permanently lose all ubercharge on death, go back to square one
>no mechanical skill involved (just hold m1 for autoaim healbeam), so it's practically as easy to play as turn-based games
>unidentified items (inside crates)
>doesn't have tile graphics
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Ah yes, the "rlg discord" with all the prominent personalities of our esteemed general - how could anyone of sound mind resist such a offer pls go - that meme was dead on arrival
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>>157019865
>play pyro (tf2 MiBe)
>hold tab (bound to m1) the entire time to win
roguelike of the year
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>>157019865
Your mother is a roguelike
She's bloated and everyone is taking turns.
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What do I do with the various monster parts and materials I'm getting in elona+?
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>>157014494
*drain only triggers when you unequip

*slow *corrode can trigger on hit so they are downsides, but depending on how strong the item is they can be worth it

just like -ac is bad but hatofalchemist is good, *slow is bad but randarts with lots of positives plus *slow can still be good
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>playing MiCK
>'xom sounds hard and wacky as fuck'
>3 potions of exp on D3
>+10 armor of fug
>+6 axe of vampiric fug
>tfw tabbing 8 hydras with a non-flaming axe
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>>157020237
sell them for cash money. Dolla bills yo, dosh bullion son, dat papah, the queen in green, the yelly make 'em jelly, you give you get, it's what currency's all a-bet.
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>>157020237
the monster parts are IIRC only useful if you wanna do necromancy coffin stuff

materials, which go into a seperate infinite inventory, are used in crafting. you'll need to learn a skill to use them like carpentry to make rods (??) or jewelry to make scrolls (?????)
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this is fun
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>>156953098
7 cycles. Just got 8.
>>156994191
It worked amazingly well, but I was always worried it'd get instantly killed.
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>>156953098
>on how many cycles are you on?
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>>157023169
>5 or 6 my dude
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>>157021236
Yeah, Xom just buffed up a Steam Dragon so it could one shot me in one turn. I'm a bit bovvered.
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>>157023998
>one shot
>by (assuming mighted) Steam Dragon
>with 44AC and Minotaur health
There's a fault somewhere.
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>>157024226
No, I am a different person remarking on my dissatisfaction with Xom. He giveth much, but he taketh so much more in my experience.
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>>157024226
that wasn't me, senpai.
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Oh, so that's how you do it.
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>>157024898
how? 100% kills nightmare angel of berserk?
>>
I never thought I had any interest in this genre until I picked up Shattered Pixel Dungeon as per someone's suggestion and have put several hundred hours into it on train rides in the past few months.

What's a good place to go from there? I'm looking for something on PC and a bit more in-depth.
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>>157026271
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead.
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>>157026271
pixel dungeon was i think based on/inspired by Brogue? so try that
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what game is this from?
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>>157027176
That's the old monster info display from poschengband.
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>>157027176
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>>157020210
Holy shit, calm down nigga.
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>>157024898
Don't tease, how do you do it?
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What perk do I want as a melee demigod in PCB?
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>>157030337
Demonic Grasp lets you melee things that drain charges without dropping all your rods/staves.

Cult of Personality makes fighting summoners easier. Not certain about the rest.
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>>157030337
this is linked from the PCB pasta:
http://pastebin.com/hTi24Nky
info/advice about all the demigod perks

you probably want ambidexterity, demonic grasp, or cult of personality
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>>156970217

Evocations are bloat anon. Any exp put in it is always considered a total waste for a shitty melee that blasters do not need even once. If Evocations are already bloat for casters, how much more bloat would it be when it comes to staves?
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>>157030557
>>157030814
I went with cult of personality just to be safe.

Side question: How does dual wielding work? Is it a clear damage booster, or is it more like ToME4, where you use an offhand weapon for stat/modifier bonuses? What's the functional difference between wielding a 2d6 weapon vs. wielding 2 2d6 weapons?
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>>157031669
you attack with both weapons, but bonus damage from gear either only applies to one of them or is split between them

also, both have reduced accuracy depending on your dual-wield skill, and even with max skill your accuracy will be lower than with only one weapon.
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>>156979178

>takes forever to reach
>a 0 apt race already has a level 9 spell running in its first lair branch

Hmmm... so this is how 3 rune gargoyle otab shitters see things... really makes u think
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>>157014350

I got a 15 rune with a CK in second try. It's not that hard, it's just a strange way to play the game.
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>>157031938
got it, thanks mucho.
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Help me /rlg/
How thick is too thick?
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>>157034754
>furries
kys
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>>157034982
Dude what the hell, it's an imp.
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>>157035009
the lines look furry
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>>157034754
Uhhh. Thiccer?
But actually it's fine as is.
>>
So I watched a playthrough of CDDA and this is my first game


>Start in shelter
>Fucking nothing there, leave
>Find road, follow to town.
>Pools of blood and clothes
>Cocaine
>Shocker zombie appears
>eat some cocaine
>get zapped
>run
>break into ag supplies store, wield Scythe
>See cop zombie, attack, scythe is shit, or maybe it's me
>run
>cars
>try the V8
>nah mate it's fucked
>The 1.77L works tho
>holy uck I'm driving
>Holy fuck i'm shit
>Run down a giant wasp
>crash into another car
>Total distance covered, less than 50m

>Running again
>Break into house, pick up some books and flashlight
>Eat chips and pickles
>Heading north
>cross over a bridge, fucking fish everwhere cluttering my info
>Hope I can do some fishing, so comfy
>find a pretty good looking solar car with 1 wheel at the back, in good shape
>It drives
>Getting the hang of it in the wide open
>GAME OVER
>I guess I ran over a land mine or something??


Pretty good/10
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>>157035661
You see the to hit bonus on the scythe's page? It tells you that it's a terrible weapon. A later recipe can make it into a war scythe which is a decent weapon, but at that point you're better off with a steel spear.
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Why can't I bring myself to sit down and play and roguelikes?

I just opened ToME, made two characters, and quit.

I started playing Angband in bed on my laptop, but it crashed and I haven't felt like playing it at all since, because it'll just happen again.

DCSS is terribly boring, ADOM is annoying to get back into after being away from so long due to its special snowflake controls, Elona+ is too open ended, PCB I haven't played since 3.5.0 and forgot how to set macros, item filters, etc...

Shiren the Wanderer is just bullshit, PMD is annoying wrangling my team having the camera constantly switch away for the long ass turns.

What's wrong with me?
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>>157035047
>the lines look furry
holy shit, /rlg/ has actually gotten this bad huh?

I understand why dck left now.
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>>157040046
neurotypical get out
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>>157040046
Play Demon senpai

http://demon.ferretdev.org/
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>>157040046
Play or do something else for a while, man. I usually go for ARPGs, Grand Strategy or drawing, which leads to suicidal thoughts which leads to roguelikes I guess.
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>>157040046
just literally play a real rl like Sil
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>>157040556

I only play 5 star and real roguelikes like Crawl
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>>156981523
WHAAAAT
That looks slow as fuck
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>>157042294
So just like Elona, then.
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>>157042445
No I mean the animations etc.
I like playing roguelikes fastlike. You can move fast in Elona.
NOT IN THIS THING totally haram
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>>156981523

MAXIMUM HYPE
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>>156981734
Yeah, for what it is. Good combat strategy, nice amount of class freedom.
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>Chew MiFi gum
>Xom gives me an rF,rC ring, freeing me from elemental slavery
>Acquire fencer gloves
>Getting mad xom muts incl horns:3
>48/24/22, 273 hp
>Wade into anything cleaving blocking and soaking most shit while heatbutting everybody and riposte cleaving savaging them further
>Only pair of boots all game were a pair of +0, rC-, MR-, Str+9, Dex+5
God I love Xom.
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>>157043837
>those 2 red muts
Start over, all ruined
>>
I NEED A (YOU)
SOMEONE GIVE ME A (YOU)
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>157043941
no
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>>157043941
(u)
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>>157043941
Use it well

I also expect you to return the favour at some point
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>>157044187
>>157044265

YEEESSS
THANK YOU
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>>157043941
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>>157044543
god i love memes
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>>157044543
Quylthulg spell progression in pcb is a bit weird

they get 4 different versions of "summon melee chaff" in a row (in the form of yeeks/spiders/ants/orcs), and then at 10 they get "summon dark elf" and suddenly get to walk around with a giant deathball of ranged casters

the level 1 summon yeek spell is kinda funny though, because it has a chance to summon a kamikaze yeek
it will explode on the first enemy it sees, possibly hitting you with the aoe and oneshotting your 7hp-at-level-one ass
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>>157045269
whoops that wasn't supposed to be a reply to anything
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>>157045269
Q is easy early-midgame since you just sit in a corner and churn out spiders/hounds.
Lategame is shit even when you scum for a few drujes.
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>>157045381
yeah the ability to generate infinite meatshields is pretty strong early on when nothing has ranged attacks
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>>157045459
Even with ranged attacks. You just sit in a corridor and specify targets for summons, then watch as summons proceed to swarm the targets.
Ezpz with detection.
I think Q might be unwinnable since the serpent just deletes your summons.
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>>157045548
i mean theoretically you could just scum for a billion years to get a few big rings of speed and rocket him to death
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>>157045686
Naw, your devices will be ass. Enjoy.
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>>157045739
>They don't even stack anymore, the new egos don't make up for that, and he nerfed them even further
Brutal
>>
I haven't even played it, but from months of reading about it I'm starting to suspect that PCB isn't a game you actually play to win
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>>157047571
You'd be pretty correct.
>>
How does Xom actually works?
>>
>>157048884
In mysterious ways
>>
In DCSS, how do I pause?
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>>157049826
Ctrl+S
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>>157032287
>It's not that hard, it's just a strange way to play the game.

>herp derp xom decided to not constantly buttfuck me this 1 game - it must mean 15-runing CK's is easy as pie.

>>157014350
it 95% depends on how much xom wants to rape your ass in any given game
he can pretty much instakill you any time he wants so its just 95% rng and 5% saving ?blink and other life saving consumables for when xom teleports you into a closed room with 10 troll earth mages after he mutated you taking away 80% of your hp.
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>>157048884
Piety semi-randomly moves up or down with occasional large swings
In high tension he's more likely to do shit
He then picks from a pool of good/bad actions and does them.

The devs nerfed the fuck out of Xom so he's not half as brutal as he used to be. It's a pretty great general god for non-frail races that requires no skill allocation to take advantage of.
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>>157034754
that isnt thicc
that's just fatttt

especially the fat flappy titties
>>
How do I NOT get raped in the ass by Ereshgigal?
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>>157050827
You uh, kind of don't? Pretty much buff up, roll in with or evoke a swarm of summons and either wand of tele out or succeed at killing her
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>>157050827
Don't get mobbed by fiends and you win
>>
Why does DCSS:CA nerf melee? Melee was supposed to be the "spammable" option. Now you run out of stamina faster than mages run out of MP, and since mages can do crazy damage from far off, in an AoE, and melee- can't, there's no real reason to go melee except for silence.
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>>157051253
It isn't really nerfed that much, I've tried some MiBe's and TrMo's (Trolls have a mechanic where you automatically "eat" an enemy sometimes after killing them, regaining stamina) and it was pretty much fine.
When combat with current mobs is done, Stamina auto-replenishes. Same with zerking.
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>>157051346
How much Fighting did you have?
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>>157051092
Seems like it
>let me JUST take 35% of your hp free of charge
>and again
>and again
>and again
>and again

>>157051147
I'll do that was trying to rush because I didn't pack enough food
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>>157051401
Well fighting doesn't do anything with Stamina, I don't think. It's a set value.
Fighting is changed in that it now is responsible for mindelay. I don't remember how much I had but I pretty much trained it first, along with weapon skill.
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>>157051427
Jesus just nab the rune and tele out then, it isn't hard
You literally only need one scroll and a haste pot
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>>157051401
Oh an also on like the very first TrMo I ever tried in CA, I nabbed 2 runes no problem without even trying that much. That's in Standard mode and zerking all day.
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>>157051617
That's what a faggot would do
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>>157051756
Wow congratulations on the expended supplies and unnecessary risk
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>>157051508
Incorrect.

Maybe it's that you need to be super stronk, since a <20 Str halfing couldn't melee for very long even with 20 Fighting.

Also:
>melee a bunch of enemies
>stamina is low but enemies are still alive
>can't walk away because movespeed is 11 auts per
>can't go to quickmode because no stamina
>use limited resources to escape
vs
>blast a bunch of enemies
>mp is low but enemies are still alive
>go to quickmode, walk away
>>157051729
Even so, it's a definite nerf.
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>>157051927
Hm, okay then. Didn't study the changes that much, just jumped right in.
Also supposedly Halflings are made for spellcasting, even slightly OP currently.
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>>157051885
Thanks
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>>157052047
I'm just kidding, it's not like that matters in crawl
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>>157052551
Heh should have seen it coming desu
going after whoever's in gehenna now, with my scimitar of flaming death

Man I wish there was someone to paint those awesome scenes I'm mentally picturing right now
>>
Not pictured - gene engineering +###
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>>157052840
??
is that supposed to be good?
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>>157052958
~+3 skill per # so yeah. It's a great noncombat swap that he can shove in his shoot slot as well for his skill gear sets
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>>157052039
>slightly OP
They get max spellpower on anything they have the skill to cast reliably. In a game where Shatter kills everything that isn't a ghost or jelly instantly, Where Chain Lighting is bad because it's basically a Torment that happens to kill everything you can see. Where Magic Dart is arguably superior to Airstrike because it does more damage generally. Where Fireball is super-hellfire. Where the Book of Conjurations can carry you the whole game.
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>>157053073
So you mean
Fun
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>>157052790
And that's that
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>>157050394
What's the difference?
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>>157052840
>>157053064
But does it help you play the piano any better?
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>>157056823
The piano is for elves and germans
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But I liked my axes of electrocution...
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>>157057404
a +9 shitsword isnt worth changing from a weapon skill you've trained
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>>157058080
can't have trained that much on D4
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Lostsoul is the best thing ever, you just go straight to the lategame with epic loot without all the grinding before
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>>157060003
Godspeed, muh furious furybando
Glad to see someone else playing it
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>>157060003
>not just praising aule
If your gear doesn't give so much of a boost that it overflows the numbers at least twice, it's trash.
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>it's a Mara shows up at the entrance of Tomb:3 episode
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>>157061379
Im already abusing the game with my wall casting and glass invulnerability, I dont want to go too far
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>>157061995
>mara
>a problem at tomb3
choose one.
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>>157062249
>get down the stairs
>from 203 to 57hp before I can even move

I HATE TOMB 3
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>>157061995
>it's an < x ee ctrl+G > episode
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NOT SO FUNNY NOW HUH YOU FUCKING PAPERNIGGERS
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>>157062923
Wow it's almost like stairdancing is super powerful
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>>157062923
this is a mum & tum thread and you will not speak that way
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>>157017075
What the hell is Discord?
Some new upcoming roguelike?
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>>157063581
Flavor of the Year voice over IP. It's higher quality than skype with better text chat functionality.
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>>157063581
A texting app.
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>>157063581
I htink he meant Discworld. A Discworld roguelike might be interesting.
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>>157063195
desu I was getting up with 50 hp every single stair step

>>157063208
I kid, I actually love playing MuSu

btw, what does "a figurine of a ziggurat" do? I'm assuming it's some sort of pocket ziggurat
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>>157051253
Every day just tell yourself "At least it didn't get nerfed as hard as Melee in CDDA."
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>>157063702
Sounds kinda like IVAN.
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>>157063819
yes
you also get one from Zig27 i think, not 100% sure
>Error: You were warned. You must first view this warning to post again.
oh i guess reading the thread from halfway down and posting when you get something to reply with minutes between is spamming now.
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>>157064134
>melee
>nerfed
I can't hear you from reach attack distance.
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>>157017075
>expired
Rip
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>>157064502
Is it realistically possible to win that game, or what? I don't usually try a rl if I know I will probably, never, EVER win. My ego can't take that shit.
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Bai Suzhen, more like bye Suzan
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>>156998979
>infinite jest
That's hilarious.
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>>157064982
>Only reach weapons are good.
'Cause fuck you for not spamming spears, I guess.
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>>157001737
>>156999867
you guys are killing me.
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>>157063687
>Talking to people
reee
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>>157009776
>Ka101 never left
>he just switched game

And people wonder why we don't talk about Qud.
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>>157024898
How did you do it
the world needs to know
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>>157066457
Reach and running were huge melee buffs, though, especially since weapon choice barely matters. Which is probably not desirable, but it's how it currently works.

Other than stamina, which changes hurt melee since stable?
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>>157034754
THICKER
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i started elona for the first time and i'm a farmer
...
what do i do?
i think i accidentally ate my sword and i'm not really sure what my goals are
i finished the tutorial
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How good/bad is the mana shield mutation on a demonspawn. I was planning on going heavy magic, is this going to screw with that?
The only real benefit I see is the magic regen but the spirit shield seems kind of sucky. Why can't I ever get the good muts?
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Anyone else finds pan unironically comfy?
it's easy as fuck compared to tomb or hell and I can tab almost everything down without care, and there's infinite chunks so I get to save my food
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>>157067930
Killing pan lords is awesome.
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>>157067510
read the pastebin in thw op adn you better be playing Elona+ not elona
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>>157067930

Not until you turn into a corner into an unexplored area as a heavy armor 0 stealth tabber and you see several tier 1s (execs, ice friends, 1 or 2 hell sentinels), 2 tormentors and a cuckodemon that took the initiative of wrecking you.as soon as you landed on that tile.
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>get the TSO special Pan level
>as a TSO worshipper
>angels and stuff attack me
>TSO doesn't give a fuck if I kill them
very very nice coding
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>>157067930

yea m8 pan is very comfy
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>>157068889
Oh man, I remember that.

still, you were just one blink away from safety, it's not like they could have oneshotted you,
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>>157067262
Reach is only a buff for spears. All other melee weapons are basically rendered useless because all they've gotten is the nerfs while reach makes up for spears. The balance is fucked and I don't think any of them have mentioned any plans to help other kinds of melee weapon.

They've reduced all melee weapon stats, increased all armor encumbrance (meaning you need to be near-naked or take penalties) while generally reducing protection, added zombie grabs that keep you from moving around, drop your speed, and reduce your ability to dodge (especially nasty when combined with the armor nerfs), weapon durability to the point where most early game melee weapons will be quickly rendered ineffective in minutes (seriously my fucking nailbat survived TWO zombies) and of course you mentioned Stamina yourself.

Meanwhile nothing was added that improves them in anyway, except for reach attacks on ONE kind of weapon.
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Short Sword +2 of elec or dagger +0 of elec?
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fuck
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One run — an adder as the second enemy.
Another — this.
The game does NOT like me today.
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Yep. It does not.

>>157070050
The first one obviously.
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>leather armor randart on Crawl
>it's pure shit
Every single fucking time. I have found good randarts of all other types, but never leather armor
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>>157069656
>Meanwhile nothing was added that improves them in anyway
Pain reducing your stats and speed was nerfed. There was a recent dodge/to-hit change but I'm not sure how it changed things.

I don't think the things you mentioned are as damaging as you make them sound, but the issue is none of them actually penalize using a spear. Besides giving a (dangerous, not the zombie soldier) zombie lots of piercing armor or making more enemies faster than a running player, I'm not even sure how they can weaken reach weapons without hurting all the others.
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>>157070985
>Pain reducing your stats and speed was nerfed.
This was literally only last week, and it was going back on a change to pain in the experimentals before that made it even more severe. It's a good change from that, but it's not some melee buff.

I think making ZOMBIES faster is a stupid thing. Zombies need to be slower than humans on average. They're fucking zombies. Really, I don't think spears need to be nerfed, rather, what I want to see is for them to come up with with ways to make other melee weapons good again. Like more special techniques or at least nerfing grabs some.
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>>157070053
Is this it, Luigi?
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Oh wow, Wudzu does work with transmutations.
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We did it reddit!
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>>156920045
brogue to get into the genre as a casual
nethack to get into the genre for real
the "best" is probably one of the large ones, like ADOM, TOME4, Nethack, Linley's Dungeon Crawl, or (un)angband
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What is the point of any other weapon than axes on Crawl
All my games with axes take far less and I usually don't even have to bother with positioning besides very early or extended
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>>156937830
>>157071732
so either "anything but crawl" or, if one wishes to answer sarcastically, crawl
>>
tablord here
should i bother with training some shields in case i can't find a exec axe?
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>>157071767
axes are the absolute worst weapon anyone could ever use though.
That is a mathematical fact.

The only people who use axes are brainless tablords.
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How much armour skill would you need to negate the spellcasting penalty of a FDA?
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>>157067930
I've had very little experience with any of the extended branches but in those experiences Pan is far and away more difficult than the others. I can cruise through hell and get through tomb with a lot of stairdancing and even most pan levels aren't that bad at all. But sometimes some really scary combinations just come out of nowhere.
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The new DCSS god is extremely OP vs physical attacks, but makes it harder to cover your resists.
I wonder if it makes him balanced enough or not. The sacrifices are most definitely NOT balanced though, boots and gloves are strictly inferior.
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>>157072758
[(2/5) * er^2 / (str+3)] * [45 - armour_skill]/45
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>>157072610
>The only people who use axes are brainless tablords.
And why would you do anything else when tabbing is the easiest, fastest, if not most efficient way to play?
There comes a point when you are only going to die against torment and smite spammers or inside ziggs.
Heck a good melee race can easily tab away with axe from the early game onwards only having to actually think for about 5% of the content you meet in the dungeon
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>>157073008
Thanks bby
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>>157072758
Get str, it helps much more.
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>>157072502
.
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>>157072502
Personal preference. If you like speedruns — no. If you prefer beind protected — yes.
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>>157070053
What game is this?
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>>157073724
Demon.
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>>157073034
yeah, but mind my wording.
MINDLESS tablords.

Everyone knows maces are the best tablord weapon of choice, and that's only because only one class woops! Sorry, no races anymore, HE got swept off the rug! has enough LB to use double and triple swords without them being a huge useless xp sink.

That's the reason HE got hacked, you know.
Because riposte+ triple sword was too strong.

Try to deny that.
Try it.
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>>157073008
Okay, please help me with my basic algebra, /rlg/. I wanted to make a real simple little spreadsheet to calculate what armour skill you need at various levels of strength in order to negate certain amounts of encumbrance rating. So basically I substitute values for er and str and need to rearrange the equation and solve for armour_skill. But since the other side is 0 this doesn't make any sense. I've basically got [(2/5) * er^2 / (str+3)]=0/([45 - armour_skill]/45) That's not right is it?

I'm probably doing something incredibly stupid here but please help me out with this as you belittle my intelligence in an aggressive manner.
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>having to do spreadsheet wankery to play dcss
the devs are shite. they should stop removing stuff and start doing some QoL fixes.
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>>157075126
>having to do
I just thought it'd be neat.

Still, they could really fucking stand to give you actual character data in-game.
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>>157073824
>That's the reason HE got hacked, you know.
>Because riposte+ triple sword was too strong.
That was the exact same thing that got Makhleb completely butchered.

Devs add poorly thought out donutsteel thing into the game ---> Notice something that has been in the game for a long time would make their donutsteel """too strong""" ---> Lol time to """""""rework"""""""/remove
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Is this just a joke or am I about to lose the only thing in my life I enjoy?
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>>157074595
What the fuck are you doing son
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>>157075926
Wishing I hadn't slept through all my math classes.
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>>157074595
Stop it.
The bot has it already.
Use !aevp
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How do I get into NetHack?
Should I just play vanilla?
Is there any gud tile version?
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>>157076165
Tiles are gay, play vanilla ASCII NetHack.
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>>157074595
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>>157076165
>tiles
yeah sure I could zip you that along with a massive gay porn folder you fucking faggot kill yourself
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>>157074595
>you feel stupid.
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>>157068889
Isn't that Gloorx's floor? How did those enemies spawn there?
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>>157040053
Tell that fucker to put out some more videos already. It's been 7months already.
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>>157078530
>no new dickery in 7 (seven) months

there's a 33% chance he'll post something before the end of the year
It gets 33% truer each month!
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I don't get what the fuck is happening.
There are a lot of gnomes and an elf mummy killed me.
Where should I go?
I don't get it.
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>>157067510
as a farmer? probably go farm

gte your pet loli from the first town then head to yowyn and do the harvest quests there for dosh and xp
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>>157074595
because you cannot solve it

the only way to reduce penalties all the way to 0 is to have 45 armor skill, which is impossible

skill and str decrease the penalty but never completely remove it (although in previous versions of crawl with EVP instead of ER they could)
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>>157075458
HE didnt make riposte too strong though

HE were removed because they were boring as shit and didnt do anything unique

although basajuanak arent that unique either, they should add a race with a cooler gimmick than just "large and good at magick"
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>>157085260
what about a faggot that can inflict acid damage but corrodes every equipment he uses?
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>>157071283
It's all good senpai. Made it out by using a zephyr card to summon a Lifegiver Gandayah and eating some heal stones.
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>>157067781
You get from 1 to 3 MP regen per turn, and as a caster you usually kill shit before it hits you anyway
>>157068825
Removed because bloat
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>>157087001
All this talk about bloat and "baked spriggan corpse" is still in the game.
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>>157087394
There are loads of small things that the devs missed in their removal sprees
Funny thing about the spriggan bakers: they're the only enemy left that fall under the "forest" branch group, so when you get there in linesprint you get eight of the poor suckers
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>*Rage
please
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>>157088731
>Of distraction
>Dead dove.jpg
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>>157088731
Stasis or Clarity completely negate it.
>>
>It's a mummy squad sends their summmons to forcefully pinpoint you against a wall before flipping you over and rawdogging your tight boypussy with their throbbing symbols of torment and their thick smites and leaving you a broken mess in the score board episode
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>>157067781
As a standalone facet it's decent, but if you get powered by death too it gets crazy bullshit OP awesome — because with an amulet of mana regen and this you never run out of mana even in zigs. Depending on your current mana level you get 7-20 mp per turn. Vehumet a shit. Grab Gozag for distraction and you're an unstoppable war machine.
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>>157089943
Or a diet.
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>>157090112
Then, offer your firstborn son for nightstalker
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>>157090268
I've got darkness, but haven't used it since ages ago. Shatter hits all LoS anyway.
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>>157090112
Well shit. Time to go back to scumming Demonspawn.

Of course that's only going to make my eventual preventable death even more debilitating.
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>>157089981
a-anon p-please stop
i just j-jerked off
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>>157090672
Good luck.

P.S.: the new transmuter god is pretty nice.
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>>157091207
Wudzu? Yeah, 21 AC Spiderform with Spines 3 and the minotaur headbutt is pretty cash.
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>>157091528
Stacks with ozo's even. The summons are pretty useful too.
I want me some dragonform later.
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>>157087658
>There are loads of small things that the devs missed in their removal sprees
I don't think they missed it; they updated the sprite recently. It must be intentional that it remains.
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>>157092849
He's talking about the baked corpse, not the baker responsible for it.
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>The basilisk gazes at you.
>You are slowing down.
>You offer yourself to Yredelemnul, and are filled with unholy energy.
>You have turned to stone.

Do what you must. I have already won.
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>>157093294
>You offer yourself to Yredelemnul
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>>157093294
>You are slowing down.
>You have turned to stone.
>The elephant hits you but does no damage.
>The elephant is struck by your spines.
>The basilisk hits you but does no damage.
>The basilisk is struck by your spines.
...
>Here, a basilisk (almost dead).
>Here, an elephant (heavily wounded).
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>go to swamps
>named orc warlord drowns offscreen, taking an artefact polearm with him
;_;7
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>>157093760
As it happens, I am also demonspawn.

No spines, but already have rotting immunity.
>>
Xom > every other god >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking disgusting Beogh
>>
>scavenge parts and work on vehicle for days
>drive home and shove literally fifty biscuits in my mouth to get out of famished
Average DDA week.
>>
On DCSS webtiles, how to you inspect an item on the ground that's underneath other items? It'll only let me look closely at the first item.
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>>157094501
That was actually my lair experience with Wudzu.
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There's a joke here somewhere, but I'm not sure where it is.
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>>157095068
I'm beginning to think it's not possible. Not a huge deal, just annoying.
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>>157094736
don't diss my man beogh
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>>157094501
the miasma cloud one is apparently really shitty though

some guy tried fighting things in lair just by mashing 5 with spiny 1 and miasma 2 and everything died to spines before it would trigger miasma once
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>>157045269
>>157045358
>dying to your own kamikazi yeeks
I have done this thing. Not as often as Orfax/Boldor, but still.

Yeah the ranged summons are nice. I wonder, did chris do tinkering with the evolutions for Qs? You used to get totally gimped when
>you evolve
because you lose all your high spells of the old form and only have the baby spell of the new form. If you didn't plan in advance by pokeballing some of your best summons of the soon-to-be-lost form you got hit right in the feelbad.
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>>157095068
you can't see what's in the pile until you stand on it
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>>157045548
nah Qs and other summoners can definitely win vs the J. It usually involves unleashing all your pokeballs of ridiculous dragons and liches and shit while summoning more garbage and quaffing Restore Mana like a madman.

Also maybe carry ?Forest Creation for turns when a disintegration breath (from the Serpent or some bullshit summoned Destroyer or whatever) fuck up all your cover.
>>
Is it normal to have some delay when using putty?
>>
>>157097772
Yes. Reduce the latency by selecting a server that's physically near you.
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>>157098126
>tfw the nearest server is fucking far away
am i the only retard playing on south america?
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>>157096563
nevermind
beogh is SHIT
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The one time I'm not playing an Octopode. Still, very excited for Demon Prince and Many Wonders, along with an amulet of magic regeneration. Gonna have so much magic regen with the guardian spirit mutation. Here's hoping for powered by death as well.
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>>157097519
Well, it's what RNG decided to give me. At least at the final level it triggers more often, and since it's a cloud it has some tiny tactical value, I guess.
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>>157098280
South America doesn't get servers unless it's a MoBA or MMO.
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>>157098927

What're you gonna do with all that magic regen?
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>>157099797
Try to find spellbooks with cool spells? HP tank with guardian spirit? I dunno. Actually found a randart amulet without magic regen in another shop on the same level so I'm not quite stacking that much.
>>
is unnethack dumb to play? ive not played a nethack before but this is the only one that has a good UI on android. it says it added more random events to it which sounds retarded to me, like im going to open a chest and explode and game over type of thing
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>>157101296
>on android
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Q adventures:

my deathball of dark elven warlocks ran into a deathball of ENEMY dark elven warlocks without me realizing and i almost instadied

those guys move 4 times as fast as me and can twoshot me with manabolts

i wish there was an option to give a different highlihgt/background color to allies
>>
>>157101564


i dont feel like playing it on my computer, is that a crime?
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>>157097690
You can see what all the items are on a space, but you can't see its general stats, which you can on the downloadable version with the mouse. Not a big deal since most players will just know how much AC something has etc.
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>>157101572
There's an option on the pet menu to color all your guys (yellow, I think).

Of course then you can't tell what you summoned easily, so.
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>>157101660
It's a crime and I've already called the cops.
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>>157073824
HE was a pretty bad race, even with triple ripoopste. better than tengu i guess
>>
>>157072985
which god is this?
>>
This is my first time playing Gozag and really he goes against my hoarding tendencies so I'm not sure how to most effectively utilize his abilities. Potion Petition is a wonderful emergency button and I've used that a few time, but what about calling merchants? Should I just do that almost whenever I have the dosh?
>>
>>157106291
yes. just make sure you don't get put in a situation where you're low on food and can't dump $1500 on a few meat rations
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>>157106171
wudzu, the porcupine god
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FUCK

Is there a lesson to be learned here?
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>>157106765
don't play when tired
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>>157106979
This is a surprisingly good piece of advice.
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>>157106979
I'm not sure I can do that
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>>157106765
What method should you use to id scrolls anyway?
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>>157106765
Yes, Identify your fucking stuff, holy shit.
>9 (nine [fucking N9(nine)NE]) scrolls of identify
>ENTIRE inventory is unidentified except for wand of HW/Potion of HW
>WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE USED TO SAVE YOUR LIFE
I bet you just went into wizmode and made this inventory to make me upset you piece of garbage.
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>>157106765
why didnt you read-id the stack of >1 unidentified scrolls on the first available opportunity
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>>157107113
as soon as you get a scroll, get to a clear floor and read immediately

use identify scrolls on potions unless you're extremely desparate
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>>157107115
>>WHICH YOU SHOULD HAVE USED TO SAVE YOUR LIFE
Came face-to-face with an OOD deep troll earth mage and I was taken down in a couple hits
Probably was a way out, but I panicked
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>>157107260
turn
b
a
s
e
d
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>>157107260
You know what else would have been a way out? Having an identified inventory.

And no, it probably wasn't OoD- OoD has a very specific meaning in DCSS and it is quite different from monsters appearing outside their native depths in vaults. If it actually was OoD, then you are doing something very wrong. I mean aside from not identifying any of your inventory when you have 9 fucking ID scrolls and multiple stacks of unID scrolls.
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>>157106765
This pains me greatly, what were you even doing?
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>>157106696
I got the killer bee hive vault in Lair so I've got stacks of royal jellies for now, thank goodness. Do shops spawn better stuff at deeper levels or higher xp levels?
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>>157107152
that's what i've been doing
just making sure, thanks anon
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>>157107992
higher xp. it used to be deeper levels but they changed it a couple versions ago
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>>157107576
ood just means out of depth

there is the timer mechanic that specifically creates ood monsters, but that isn't the only valid use for "ood"
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>>157108712
I would argue that- for the sake of understanding others in discussion- it is. It was a vault-placed troll earth mage.
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>>157109363
so out-of-depth monsters placed by vaults don't count? that's the *primary* way to run into ood shit
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>>157107152
I personally read scrolls as soon as I get *2* scrolls, and read them on the stairs to an empty level.
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>>157109808
Don't count for what? Those are vault-placed monsters. They are not monsters spawned by going over the OoD timer for that floor.
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>>157110045
that's sub-optimal - until you read the second scroll, you won't identify any of that type immediately on the ground and you'll have less of an idea what other un-ided scrolls are. there's almost never a reason to use identify on scrolls (if i do, it's post lair), so there's no reason to wait

i also like to use enchant weapon, enchant armour, etc immediately (even if it's on a shitty robe/egoless aux armour or your starter weapon) - they spawn often enough and +1 matters a lot early on
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>>157110045
>read them on the stairs to an empty level
ok i guess if you've already id'd noise, but i'd rather waste an early magic mapping than wake up half a floor
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>>157110510
There is a reason. If you find one tele/fear/blink, read it immediately and then run into a situation where you NEED that — you die.
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>>157110231
>dont use ood for monsters that aren't created by the ood timer

>don't say "mutation" for things caused by sources other than malmutate

>don't say "mana viper" for antimagic snakes that weren't created by the summon mana viper spell

the ood timer was named after the pre-existing concept of out-of-depth enemies anon
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>>157110641
If something nasty finds you — just use the stairs.
>>
>>157110920
now the floor is awake and there are more monsters roaming
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>>157110990
You're exagerrating it.
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>>157111159
it's more useful to have d:4 asleep than to know which tunnels you can blindly run down (you shouldn't do this anyway)
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>>157110641
yeah "wasting" a ?map isn't really a big deal

it wouldn't have done anything on an unexplored level either unless you're either speedrunning or searching for a lab/icecv/volcano there
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>>157110787
which is why you should id them so you're not running around with them unid'd when you pick them off the ground

panic reading a stack of 8 scrolls is a pretty terrible fallback, it's better to have a strong grasp of what you have immediately
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>>157110870
Terrible analogies. Mutations and Mana Vipers (the only antimagic snakes) are referred to by those terms in the game. OoD is a term also used by the game and means something different in DCSS than it does in other roguelikes which don't have this poorly thought out clock system.

I believe it is a good thing to speak technically when it results in more ease of understanding.

Especially when it comes to players asking for advice, if that monster is actually OoD then we know the player is doing something very wrong.
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>>157111392
to expand - if you've already burned your first tele/blink/fear on iding - you won't bother trying to panic read (which will for sure get you killed).
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>>157111504
Yeah, that's why maxwell's armour is the best: you won't waste turns reading tele.
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>>157111392
>stack of 8 scrolls
*8 different single scrolls, sorry, it's late

>>157111658
terrible analogy, were you the genius behind >>157110870 ?
>>
>>157111708
By the way, he's right, you're not. Check the usage of "out of depths" in the game code.
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>>157111412
"ood" isn't used anywhere player-facing, but it IS used often to refer to high-level monsters in vaults

documentation on creating vaults:
>Phrased more generally, do not use OOD (out-of-depth) monsters unless you really know what you want.

vaults_rooms_hard.des
>Content: These are the subvaults that place a large number of monsters and out of depth monsters.

icecave.des
>Ice Cave is aimed to appear at somewhere in the middle game. Two challenge levels exist: easy and hard. See ice_cave_difficulty and entry default depth for depths. Both versions should be fairly challenging, but also allow retreating. The entries shouldn't be out of depth.

mini_monsters.des
>The dancing weapon is very out of depth early in D, but digging it out is mostly a deliberate action and there are enough system warnings. (r-i)
>>
Statue Form + Olgreb's Toxic Radiance + Freezing Cloud = free Spider:4.
>>
Hengband vs Furyband vs PosChengband?
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>>157113978
Statueform = free whatever.
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>>157114008
They all suck, enjoy your nexus stat swaps and disenchanted artifacts, then remember why you play crawl exclusively
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question about Tome4

what are the best mindslayer trees to invest in after you've got your shields up and running?
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First time player, am I supposed to be here yet?

It feel like my adventure is going to end right here

Also fuck ghosts
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>>157114617
They are blocked by the transparent wall. You don't have anything to fear... For now.
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Any good roguelikes for casulz? Nethack and DCSS are too slow and obtuse for me right now.
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>>157115156
turn back now
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>>157114617
You should clear lair and the lair branches before going to the depths.

>>157115156
DCSS is made for literal lobotomy patients. Play Brogue if you want to play a game so simple even a dog could beat it.
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>>157115156
http://ponyrl.com/
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>dream MuMo
>it's like the god knows what time now
This time found the unrand Cloak of duality.
It was a +8 cloak with no drawbacks.
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>>157116271
Is a +8 cloak even possible?
>>
>>157114008
PosCheng is the most popular one here (and it is a descendant of hengband)

apparently furyband has some crazy imbalanced shit like artifacts with +1000 blows
i haven't tried it
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>>157068825
They used to but MUH BLOAT

>>157067262
>>157069656
Nah, combat chainsaws and homewreckers are pretty swole. As is a fire axe and other great weapons with alternate techs. Things really change once you skill dodge up to 6 and have good armor so you don't need block to carry you. Terrain and running negate your attack speed. You're cracking armor and doing significant damage faster which slows them sooner. Once you cbm/mutagen your starts even higher and have enhanced memory bank level skill, being able to smack a hulk out of a pit so it has to come back in only to get smacked right back out over and over is amazing.

>>157071767
Riposte is pretty effective and becomes horrifying with fencer's gloves, minotaur/wudzu retaliation, phase shift and song of slaying, reach is good on naga and for killing casters through their meat shields.

>>157075614
Always BUC test. Reading a cursed fortune corrupts your save. Don't believe their lies

>>157088731
>Hating rage on a 1h
>When you aren't even in chunkless branches
That thing is fucking based.

>>157089943
>tfw you get clarity when you were abusing rage to cheese everything

>>157093294
If your allies are getting wrecked too much, t ell them to wait on a cleared floor. You can recall bomb them when needed. You can also just read tele and pray.

>>157094463
You can fish it out with Fedhas sunlight if you care.

>>157095058
Nice. Dahlia root flour or do you have a buckwheat plantation?
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>>157114008
Furyband is actually fun
>>
What's a better "enemy has rF" backup spell for a DEFE, IMB or magma bolt?

I don't have OoD yet.
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>>157120162
Dunno. IMB+sphere works fine. Magma bolt's probably good if you're going for iron shot as your alt.
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>>157120162
>>157120276

>I don't have OoD yet.
spoke too soon lmao
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>>156967835
>DrTr
>Dragon form, but no decent ranged
>Fuck it

Feels good, man.
>>
Download for Furyband where?
>>
>Virtually never have farms on my maps
>Run into 3 in quick succession
>First corn harvest done on summer, day 33
>40 corn seeds now
>216 cornmeal
>Just need to find a plow, reaper, and a scoop to begin to plow plots for 816 garlic cloves
Who here wildly erect?
>>
>>157122652
I'm not wildly erect until I can get NPCs to do the nigger work for me.
>>
>>157123016
>You'll never have a plantation surrounded by rock walls, ditches, and engulfed by a monolithic "vehicle" base letting you run perimeter turrets and floodlights when hordes spawn
Why even live if you can't post-apoc tyranny rebuffing hundreds of thousands of zombie hulks with banks of every turret under the sun powered by a 3x3 map tile wide bank of storage batteries.
>>
>>157123195
>Why even live
Because otherwise you'll become a zombie yourself
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>>157118147
Good armor is something you're getting fairly late as a melee character, since any armor with decent protection for anything tougher than the first crop of zombies is going to encumber you, so you need the skills to take at least a 10-19 encumbrance penalty.
>>
>>157123984
Not really though. You can throw anything on immediately and retard bonk your safe space. From there you get your foraging secured so you can work on tailoring. You get decent cloth then leather gear and you alternate between foraging and reading then beating on stuff/letting it beat you to train dodge
>>
>>157078147

I actually don't know even now. I cannot replicate the same event in my numerous characters. Must be a glitch in the matrix
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>>157124103
Well sure, if you hide in a hole and don't play the game except to grind for your first season or two, you can skip to leather. But that's the absolute most boring way to handle it.

And I really wouldn't call leather good armor past the early game.
>>
>>157124486
it's enough for brutes and it'll soak a couple hulk shots. Later on you can get your kevs and palstics
>>
>>157075614

I'm afraid you have to start over anon, that must have been the result of so much savescumming
>>
>>157074595

Fucking wiki/codeshitters I swear to god
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>>157118147
>riposte
>with phase shift
DOES NOT COMPUTE
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Uuhhhh... crawlbabbies?
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>>157125578
HIGH ELF
MUSTARD
RICE

NON-LONG BLADEU'S GO HOMU
>>
>>157125578
>you will never play a Vine Stalker Stalker
why live
>>
>>157125758
I've actually added stalkers to 0.14.2, complete with evaporate and fulsome distillation.
>>
Interesting: losing a sacrificed slot permanently (via demonspawn) does withdraw Wudzu AC.
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>>157128028
yet another way for benemut to screw players over
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>>157128295
Still worth it.
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>>157128472
Isn't the retaliation part of the Wudzu benefit anyhow?
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>>157124905
For your information I haven't savescummed "so much", only "a lot".
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>>157128609
Yes, but the headbutt is not.
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>>157128718

>butt
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>>157128718
But headbutt aux is super shite compared to the glory of retaliatory headbutts.
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>>157128923
You don't get it.
Headbutt aux gets triggered on Wudzu retaliation too.
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>>157128908
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>>157128979
As an aux in addition to the retaliation? That doesn't make sense. Does higher level horns increase the damage?
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>>157128908

>auxiliary butt attacks
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>>157129262
Yes, yes.
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>>157129324
You lie; that's great.
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Gozag, you won't make me switch to you like this. Try harder.
>>
>spider form no longer goes fast

WHY
W H Y
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>>157129316
>You stab the kobold!
>You butt-slam the kobold!
>You ASSassinate the kobold!
>Xom roars with laughter!
>>
>>157129539
SCUMMY!
BALANCECRIME!
SPOILERS!
BLOAT!
GIT OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Here, have some reflection and MP regen amulets while you worship a god that paralyzes everything on screen!
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>>157129316
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>>157129539
Because even after the nerf it's extremely powerful.
>>
>hippogriff in D:3
What.
Is Trunk just completely fucked?
>>
>only place to get furyband is cnet download

Fuck.
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2600 powdered egg
~1500 yeast
664 cookies
554 vinegar
434 garlic bulbs (broth)
276 cornmeal
144 smoked meat
96 Pemmican
76 flour
48 sausage
40 vegetable aspic

Just Ahegao my shit up fampai


>>157129957
The devs love them some interesting tactical situations
>>
>enemy summons can hit without their summoners having LoS of you

For real? This is pathetic coming from the DCSS dev team.
>>
Is passwall actually useful?
>>
>>157130761
Yes. It is incredibly useful.
>>
>>157130416
>Famished
You're going to die of starvation while swimming around in your giant pile of food.
>>
Oh man, I haven't seen this tile. This is much cooler than the old one.
>>
>>157128654
Cheat in some extra fortune cookies and test them senpai.
>>
>>157130942
I'd just harvested an ass ton of stuff and I had to finish clearing it up before it rotted
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>walk downstairs into this

What.
I didn't even know this kinda shit could happen.
>>
>Can't find an ice lab in CDDA
Goddamnit, I just want infinite free cold storage for my perishables. Is that so wrong?
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>>157131118
>this is my tele
>second tele puts me a little bit to the left, where Urug is
>monkeys and bees come raging in anyway

Good game.
>>
>>157131147
Make some vinegar so you can pickle or rock kiln some charcoal and fill a trunk with charcoal and a smoker and you're good to go. Get good with a sling and you can bag small game while traveling

Later on you'll have a can sealer, electric forge, foodco kitchen buddy, kitchen unit and you'll be rolling over ant hills for weeks of permafood.
>>
>>157131118
>>157131268
Pop invis you fucking retard and soak that free xp
>>
>>157131765
>implying invis does anything
I popped invis, might and zerk and got fucked either way
>>
>>157131849
You dont pop invis and berserk, god
>>
>>157131903
Why not?
>>
>>157131607
Oh, I know, it's just super tedious preserving food. It's way more convenient to use an ice lab. I wanted to set one up at the core of my base.
>>
>>157132115
Ah, making an RV then? Just forage every third day. You really only need a modest permafood pile for emergencies. That'll save you a lot of time. Once you harvest 3 times fora good seed stock, you just go out and harvest when you need it. Saves you a lot of time since you wont have a lot of meat in the area after you clear it out anyway.
>>
>>157131118

That means you're still new to Crawl
>>
>>157132439
I've been playing since 0.3
>>
>>157132539

So you're just wikifagging and not playing the game all this time
>>
>>157131118
INTERESTING
TACTICAL
SITUATIONS
>>
>>157132643
???
Are you mad for some reason?
>>
>>157132690

Yes I am mad, look at my mad face and contemplate on your naughty actions.
>>
>>157132643
I swear it is just one person forcing this low quality meme. Possibly as bad as the cblink autist.
>>
>>157132783

>wikifagging is a meme
>scroll up and there's some fag pulling useless formulas up from some scummy website

not a meme if it's true faggot
>>
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>/rlg/ is now shitting at data mining
How can anyone, in an attempt to git gud, become such an insufferable permacasual?
>>
>>157130416
>Process a small harvest
>800 dehydrated fruit
Gonna cruise through that 91 day winter
>>
>NPC runs up to me
>shouts at me to keep my distance
>casually rifles through my motorbike and steals my toolbox and acetylene torch
>-100 morale
>>
>>157116721
>apparently furyband has some crazy imbalanced shit like artifacts with +1000 blows
Not quite. They just have a class that can create egos on a whim, and a god who can let you increase the power of those egos by an arbitrary amount. And you can have both at the same time.
>>
>>157134486
Hurt feelings are the greatest threat to the New England Nu-Male.
>>
>>157134574
And to add to that, the enchantments don't enhance the amount of blows iirc
>>
>>157134486
Always examine them at max range. If they don't have a decent weapon, do char options that make them hostile for a free kill. Otherwise, don't talk at all costs then ram em. Read +4 morale books to be able to cook and shit and make sure you batch when you do
>>
In Furyband, do Skeletons start blind or something?

I have to run into shit to be able to see it.

What the fuck.
>>
>>157134824
didn't equip a light source?
>>
>>157134918
I did now, somehow, but it only goes like one square away from me.
>>
>>157134983
congrats, torches suck, now get a lantern
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>>157135025
Surely I'm not intended to have to feel my way around the starting town?
>>
>>157134824
Skeletons don't have eyes you silly billy.
>>
>>157135139
The black void band games have for a floor really bothers me for some reason.
>>
>>157134486
>go to sleep
>cataclysm-tiles.exe has stopped working
It's not savescumming if the game crashes without any effort from me, right?
I'll do >>157134783 next time.
>>
>>157135139
Dude
Go to 1
Buy lantern
wield
>>
>>157134824
I seem to recall some of the options like skeletons actually start at night time, so it's dark outside. It confused me too until I figured out what's going on.
>>
>>157135228
He wasn't even selling one, just 19 flasks of oil, so I fucking quit and start over.
>>
>>157135293
u wot m8
>>
>>156917454
Sauce on OP's pic?
>>
Man, fuck it, Furyband isn't even displaying properly, tiles will just disappear and with "Bizarre Display" on there's these black lines that appear between tiles that change every time they move. Piece of shit old ass abandonware crapware SHIT!
>>
>>157135369
Custom made by a /rlg/ poster for posting on /rlg/.
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The Ground Gives Way fucking sucks.
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>>157135537
Works for me.
Git gud lol.
>>
>>157136024
The terms also have retarded width restrictions, and also why the fuck are terms 2-4 named shit like Recall and Mirror? I'm sticking to PosChengband.
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>>157136112
>>
>>157136112
Are you seriously that stupid or is this bait
>>
>>157136260
What did I say that was stupid?
>>
>>157136289
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>
Once I've got a Mi-Go electric gun (3d6+1), is it wise to leave my Colt (1d8+5) behind?
>>
>>157136327
So you're just being an autistic diaper pisser and don't actually have anything to say? Why'd you even reply?
>>
>>157136289
The term windows interface is literally the same as in Poscheng
Why do you care how they're named
What if one was named git gud
>>
>>157136336
No. The colt and its ammo is light. You can if you want once you're out of the temple basement and out of ammo for it I guess.
>>
>>157136386
>literally the same as in Poscheng
No, it isn't. Poscheng has no width restrictions and freedom of font choice for all terms.
>>
Does Gozag ever offer Curemut with Potion Petition? I got Placid Magic from a miscast and I'd obviously rather not have that but Curemut and Experience are the only potions I haven't found in the dungeon yet and I'm most of the way through vaults.
>>
>>157136482

Never or that'd be cheating.
>>
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>Dig a downstair
>Jackhammer around
>Get 2100 salt in rock salt and all dese ruks
>Gonna throw a pneumatic assault rifle together and use some pebbles and bearings later
Feels bizarre to actually quarry for stone for one. Shame there's no real way to safely remove roofing so I gotta empty my whole house if I wanted to keep using the above-ground part.
>>
where the fuck is nu thread?
>>
>>157136843
Are you using the mining mod?
>>
>>157136985
No sadly, it any good? Not happy I can't load this coal into shit either. I got like 40k of it.
>>
Is duvessa minmay?
>>
>>157137026
I've never tried it myself.
>>
Making new.
>>
New:
>>157138053
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>>157134659
They can, it just requires a lot of spellpower in Prayer.
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