/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games

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>>156724469
>not having an Endless edition
ONE JOB

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Obligatory

>>156724469
>making a new thread
Are you retarded? This is /gsg/ tier

thank you who ever made this

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>>156724708
Oh no you didn't.

>>156724469
You might as well have kept the other general tags in the OP so they can find us.

so how is endless space 2

>>156724942
Just DL'd it, it seems cool but I'm already getting some Ui gloitches and weird lag bugs when I change screens.
Will post some sceenies in a bit after I get into the game a bit more.

>>156725209
alright cool i've enjoyed the entire endless im glad es2 has started off well

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>mfw you can plant forests in Civ 6

I really missed that feature in Civ 5.

>>156725391
i haven't looked much into civ 6 can it run on a toaster

>>156725510
Probably needs DX 11 at least

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I miss the shitposter-san

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So I split a nation with my ally Canae, I gave them a province as promised, then after the war they immediately rivaled me and opinion went from +100 too -200...

Did I do something wrong? Or are the AI programmed to ignore alliances?

Why would I bother being fair to AI if they do this stuff all the time..

>>156725768
This is confirmed.
>tfw WINE still doesn't support DX11

>>156725510
No

>>156725860
Linux sounds like a pain.

>>156725952
Not really.
The vast majority of games I play either have a port or run perfectly fine in WINE.
Civ 6 isn't be an exception, but the port isn't coming out at launch.
And windows is suffering for everything but games.

>>156725840
You never should have given them that province.

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>>156725840
So it begins

>>156726046
Can you really blame me for not wanting to go to /gsg/?
>>156726145
Yeah I just wanted to have a united and co-operating UK. Guess that can't happen

>>156726237
We've always sort-of accepted /gsg/ refugees but now is the worst possible time, sorry.

>>156726237
It can still be united

You know what to do

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Well, the AI pumping out shit tons of fleets is to be expected.

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>/sgg/ is entirely shitposts now

>>156726484
is this master of orion?

>>156726380
>>156726414
I'll just lurk then

>>156726484
how is the ai in es2 better or worse?

>>156726603
Abandoning the thread just because of the shitposting was the exact wrong thing to do. That's the shitposters goal to begin with.

/gsg/ at large doesn't give a shit about us, it's literally one or two people who are butthurt that we have a name similar to another general.

No Scenarios for Civ 6 at launch?

Where did they announce this, is it official, will there be scenarios in expansions/dlc?

They were my favorite part of civ 5.

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>>156726654
Feels a bit odd and incomplete at times, but then again the game is EA.

The Vodyani AI doesn't quite seem to know how to get more pop or expand. They only recently took that system.

>>156727001
Go show them how to settle that system. I'm sure they won't mind.

>>156726873
even before the shitposting there wasn't a lot of non 4x game talk even there going to be next in coming week of due to es2 this and the after the coming week is civ 6 release

>>156726873
i was posting in civ4xg yesterday, I am posting in it again today. Sorry your name change effort just attracted shitflingers, but this thread is already comfier and has better content so there you go.
>>156727001
Are you getting any UI lag or glitches yet?

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>>156726873
Besides all strategy games were once united a long time ago. Back when everyone was playing games instead of spouting ridicoulus memes and shitposting

>>156727351
I'm getting a little bit of lag starting and stopping the 'show you this new system' animation, but otherwise it plays fine. Only actual glitch I've found so far is in the top right corner of that image.

>>156727386
That C&C bubble of comfort.

Oh man, there 10 years of my life.

I guess I can see why SC2 is down in purgatory, but its not as if the game itself is bad.

Rise of Nations should be in Purgatory even though I love it.

>>156727386
I loved Red Alert 3 but EA were a bunch of retards about it.

>singleplayer only expansion

Jesus Christ.

>>156727630
I know nothing about rts, what's the issue with C&C?

>>156727839
C&C was fantastic...

Before EA bought it out. It was down-hill from there. That 'bubble' is all the Westwood studies stuff.

The best RTS/vidya age 1996-2008. Thats my personal golden age, C&C is right in the middle of that.

>>156727839
It's dead.
The franchise was acquired by EA and you know what that means. They steadily drove it further and further into the ground over the years before ditching it completely. Now they are just sitting on it, with no new titles in sight.

>>156728013
i really do hate how publishers will just sit on ditched ips instead of either selling or even taking a chance with a good indie studio

>>156728010
To be far to EA, Red Alert 2 and Tiberium Sun were released under them. To be truthful, they were halfway through the development cycle and got rushed through to completion.

I'm still pissed about this and Bullfrog. Fuck EA.

>>156729195
Well EA buys out an idea, lets the creative team run for a bit but very slowly and deliberately add in their opinions by committee.

They 'Hollywood'-ize their games. Its fucking horrible.

>>156726873
>Abandoning the thread just because of the shitposting was the exact wrong thing to do. That's the shitposters goal to begin with.
I agree. You all acted like pussies and made a double thread, which is against the rules.

>>156729545
But anon, that was /sgg/ and this is /civ4xg/. They're completely different :^)

>>156727386
My favourite was Age of Mythology, that single player and it's expansion was amazing.

>>156729770
Arkantos and Ajax are the best butt budies. Plus it's ok to ship them as they're Greek.

>>156729672
This. You abandoned /4xg/ iand now we are using it. people can post wherever they want, this thread is more focused so it's not a "double thread".
Why don't you just admit you are salty your name change didn't take?

>>156727386
What's wrong with Grey Goo? I heard it was boring and generic, but not terrible.

And Starcraft 2 is okay, the community is just shit. Like for grand strategy games.

>>156730056
Why do you ask yourself?

>>156730114
Then we will need to revise the image and make one for strategy games in general.

>>156730464
No, I'm serious.
What's wrong with Grey Goo?
I played Etherium and it was shit, but that's because it was bland and felt like a console RTS where the AI constantly attacks you.

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>>156724469
Why did some retard try to merge threads?

>>156730840
Grey Goo (the race) is overpowered. Balance issues all over the place. Macro matters more than micro. It's not bad, just not great.

>>156726237
So who is the autistic anon spamming the other thread?

>>156726237
>Can you really blame me for not wanting to go to /gsg/?
Yes.
/civ4xg/ is my home general, but if I'm playing something else other than 4x I shouldn't be posting about it here.
Especially not if that type of game already has a dedicated general.
That kind of stuff is that pulls a general into the gutter.

/gsg/ isn't the greatest place on the site, but I go there if I'm playing that kind of game, and so should you.

>>156730906
We merely followed a consensus that was unanimous.

Some retard arrived later and started whining "buuuut you decided that while I was out!!!!1!" and he began linking the thread to /gsg/.

It wasn't even about merging threads, just accepting other RTSes into into civ4xg, but reading the OP is just too hard.

>>156730997
just some guy from /gsg/

>>156730906
Someone who thinks they are a "big deal" on the internet no doubt despite posting on an anonymous image board.

It might have worked if it was 5 months ago.

>>156730906
>I didn't agree so only one person wanted it
We did it because it was a good idea, and the /gsg/ raid was not foreseen.

I NEED CIV 6

>>156731237
No. (You) did it.

>>156731237
Don't bother. He'll keep accusing you of samefagging.

>>156731292
>implying I ever contribute positively any more
I haven't done anything even as beneficial as making a new thread in years.

>>156731084
I con't remember a consensus? Why would anyone think /cvi4xg/ needed more games to stay lively on the eve of a Civilization game release?

>>156731237
how in the hell is it a good idea anything non 4x is no doubtly going to get talked over es2 just released el expansion comes out next week and after that civ 6

>>156731584
You have to be 18+ to post here.

>>156731675
Most of /gsg/ is 13-17

someone from there got doxxed and he was a teenager in high school

>>156731137
Jesus, in the last year it's like every time I step out from the general to do something else for a while some egomaniac tries to dramatically change it.

This gen doesn't even have issues staying alive. Why does the scope need to change?

>>156731820
It doesn't. Also, the mods have abandoned /sgg/ and this one is getting janny love.. Guess which one I'm posting in....

>>156731761
They're already into grand strategy in their teens? RIP

>>156726237
It can happen, you just report and ignore the shitposters. We shouldn't have made a new thread because you let them win. Thanks to stellaris and Civ 6 we have a general again in which people actually discuss and play strategy games.
>>156731308
It's just the same shitposters who made /gsg/ terrible. I don't think it has anything to do with the name, it's just some people who have nothing better to do with their lives.

>>156721406
I mean most planets ARE one biome. It's only really different for habitable planets.

>>156731667
Please at least attempt to formulate an intelligible sentence.

If you're trying to say that the other kinds of strategy won't get as much discussion, well, they'd get more than in the complete lack of general that they have right now, and they already get some discussion in /4xg/.

What the fuck is all this thread autism?

Also how are you all liking Endless space 2 so far? ive only played 40 turns as Vodyani and im about to restart. Seems good so far

>>156732251
It's literally just one guy mad his thread didn't work.

>>156732195
>they already get some discussion in /4xg/
Then why change the thread?

>>156732251
somebody tried to expand and rename the general and their butthurt remains beyond medical science to sooth.
>>156732195
>>156732153
Our IPs are rising, theirs is falling, so it doesnt matter.
I just started DLing the new Endless Space , will be getting into it shortly. Just poked around in the race pick screen a bit....it's a lot furrier than I remember.

>>156731820
It's not a change of scope since we talk about all kinds of strategy anyway. Just a change in name. It's not strictly necessary, it's just a minor improvement since the name would more accurately reflect what's in here. Since /civ4xg/ died and was only revived by Stellaris followed by a coincidentally several new strategy games coming out at once (not all of which are 4x), it's not really accurate to say that a small scope is sufficient.

>>156731912
Refresh the thread. That stuff was deleted at the same time that the ones in here were, there's just new posts too.

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Stellaris is a great game

>>156732251
Isn't it early access? Worth playing already?

I only saw a friend stream ES1 and it didn't really grab me.

I should try more 4x'es though.
Mostly just Civ, MoM, Call to Power I've played enough of.

>>156732465
gotta get those furry $$$

>>156732359
It's just a change to a more accurate name. The /gsg/ spammer wasn't forseen.

>>156732454
>"ours" and "theirs"
A lot of people play both 4x and other kinds of strategy games, you know?

I have to say that being subjected to Willyposting must be one hell of a culture shock to people who haven't been regulars in shitposting generals.

>>156732596
>A lot of people play both 4x and other kinds of strategy games, you know?
We all cook and eat, so might as well post about cooking here as well, you know?

>>156732596
>A lot of people play both 4x and other kinds of strategy games, you know?
Sssshh, don't confuse the underage, or he'll accuse you of being /sgg/'s OP.
It does that whenever someone disagree with him.

>>156732547
With the next patch it could be. Combat, fallen empires and factions should be improved in the next patch.

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For those of you playing the Church of the Dosh Cult, remember to retrofit your Arks for maximum dosh and weapons/shields.

>>156732689
>the point
.
.
>your head

And just so you know, moving the goalposts is NOT a valid argument.

>>156732596
Awesome bro, good thng there's a wider scoped general for you to post about that other stuff in then, right? Go post there. Here, we will talk about 4x stuff more specifically,that OK with you?
Good talk see ya later.
>>156732809
God damn I love that sexy polyhedral death machine. Are all of the Doshlords ships in that satyle?

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>>156732898
Not quite as, but similarly.

>>156733072
>goyim class
noice

Which tech upgrades my command limit for fleets? or goes it go up when i enter the next era

>>156732898
>putting an irredeemable shitpost and normal discussion in the same post
This is why you can queue multiple posts. You don't have to associate everything you do with everything else you do, you know. We're anonymous here.

>>156732898
>Awesome bro, good thng there's a wider scoped general for you to post about that other stuff in then, right? Go post there. Here, we will talk about 4x stuff more specifically,that OK with you?
So RTS are officially banned from civ4xg?

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>>156733317
All the red techs with a satellite dish icon.

Why does every space 4x feel the need for a ship designer, and why is it always tedious?

>>156732898
>get mad because civ4xg is turned into sgg and he wasn't consulted
>then ban half of the thread so that "we talk about 4x"
Oh, the irony.

I guess that thread is beyond help, now that a hypocrit took control. What a shame.

>>156733629

Thanks Anon i must have missed it

>>156733723
I kind of like the idea of a ship designer. Space ships are cool.

>>156733723
it was alright in the first es granted all i did with my wa turn them into disco balls of lasers

>>156733723
Because it is fun to load up ships with assloads of missiles and Macross things to death.

How do I get rid of Cravers on my planets? (Endless Spess 2)

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>>156733508
>So RTS are officially banned from civ4xg?
They're not on topic and they're not what the thread is for.

I don't mind the occassional post, but you really shouldn't come here if you want to discuss RTS.
The rts threads on /v/ aren't bad, if they were super common there could be an rts general, in fact I think there might've been one in the past.
The civ threads on /v/ weren't bad during the spring either, when /civ4xg/ was napping.
If not minding them means that some people gets it in their heads that generals need to merge, then maybe they need to be banned, but I hope that's not the case because while 7kingdoms guy was posting slightly too much about it, it was nice to see the only other person who cares about seven kingdoms.

>>156734435
So yeah, you just confirmed you're a massive hypocrit.
That's all I needed to know, now you can shut up, kthxbye.

>>156730984
>macro matters more than micro
Isn't that the case for most RTS anyway?

>>156733723
I'm not sure why.

I think it mostly could be solved with static units like in many other games, but changing the loadout feels nice and fitting.

I think rather than seeing it removed I'd want to see it implemented in other games.

Like selecting a loadout for your cavalry and infantry.
Units take pops, and maybe you have too many people so you arm them with shitty gear except for some cavalry.

>>156734554
>So yeah, you just confirmed you're a massive hypocrit.
I'm a hypocrit how exactly?

>>156734619
Like Endless Legend?

>>156731257
Same

>>156734745
I don't know, I haven't played it.

>>156734250
Anyone?

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By looks:
Top Tier: Phillip, Victoria, Cleopatra, Theodore, Montezuma, Pericles, Catherine, and Gilgamesh
Mid Tier: Harald, Tomyris, Hojo, Trajan, Peter, Saladin
Low Tier: Mvemba, Frederick, Pedro,
Bottom Tier: Quin Shi Huang

>>156734871
Endless Legend has 3 base units per faction, but you can customize what they do and how they do it on a 'blueprint' of the unit changing and upgrading their weapons, armor, and accessories.

>Have dominant culture over aztecs
>they adopt autocracy
>next turn revolution to freedom
holy fucking shit lol

>>156735045
It's still limited to two weapons per unit. That's just for minmaxing purpose.

>>156734734
Take a trip so I can filter your hypocrisy out and be done with you, thxbye.

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Well, just found another UI bug.

So Norway looks stupidly strong early on islands, and very good early on continents. No one is going to build city walls as a matter of course, so any coastal city is ripe for the pickings by longships. It's looking like two longships can easily take an uncalled city in two or three turns.

>>156735045
Sounds good.
I should really get around to playing it someday, for educational purposes if nothing else.
I think I was put off initially since someone claimed it was like master of magic and I didn't quite agree on that when I saw the combat.

>>156735173
>Take a trip so I can filter your hypocrisy out and be done with you, thxbye.
What do you get out of being so vague and disruptive?
I think you care, so I don't think it is trolling, so what is it really?

>>156724469

Thanks OP. Admittedly you fucked up by ignoring ES2 but it's better than the other shitshow of over-inclusiveness.

>>156735897
Stop congratulating yourself already.

>>156734435
I'm glad we have you to tell us what we can and can't talk about! Thanks for spamming the other thread and saving us from our thoughtcrime!

How is the ES2 soundtrack?

>>156734435
That image is a bit misleading. Unlike AoW2, the first Age of Wonders was a creative game that stood on its own and was not just a MoM update/clone.

>>156735436
He probably just wants you to put on a trip so he can filter you. I wouldn't mind being able to hide your shitposting either.

>>156736058
True! How blessed are we to have a single man deciding for this entire general!

Nevermind the fact that he threw many fits earlier because he felt he wasn't consulted, and now turned his coat around and decided to order us without asking us!

>>156736294

There might be more people thank you think. I made one post in the shitty thread complaining, came back hours later and found this thread, and made one post thanking the OP. There are at least two of us, which means there's a majority of us against the one (You) agreeing with yourself.

>>156736058
I haven't made a single post in the other thread.

>basically hitler himself denounces me
>denounce him back
>everybody else loves me

ez

>>156736294
as a lurker who has never participated in this debate i fully agree with staying as /civ4xg/

>>156736535
>"everyone I don't like is the same guy"
+
>"I speak for a silent majority"
Nice combo.

So, about that trip, so I can filter your hypocrisy?

>>156736121
Different, but still good.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11378437

>>156736920
>no third option for a better name
Shit poll. I want civ4x to include strategy, but /sgg/ is just bad.

>>156736587
"It wasn't me! It was only my bot!"

>>156736147
The image is just meant to show off the differences in their similar mechanics and style relating to combat.

But yeah at the time AoW1 came out I don't think it would've been fair to call it a MoM clone.
I guess AoW2 might be a bit closer with being lead by a self resurrecting wizard instead of a hero that ends the game if he dies, and that you can settle cities in aow2 makes it an actual 4x.
While AoW1 is more Warlords+Homm imo.

HOW THE FUCK DO I ERADICATE CRAVERS REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>156737062
The vote is really "status quo" vs "change".

Pitch other names as you will.

>>156737549
>starts a poll to pick between names
>between nomenclatures used to refer to a general
>"GUYS IT'S TOTALLY STATUS QUO"

>>156737747
/civ4xg/ is the current name ergo voting for that is voting for the status quo, you hmong.

>>156737803
Given the alternative is /sgg/ which is a shtty name, you basically asked people to pick between a small headache and an explosive diarrhea and than you act like the fact that they all picked headache somehow gave you some power.

>>156736920

Looks like the results are in, unanimous victory for /sgg/ despite attempted poll tampering. Another resounding victory for diversity in video game generals!

>>156737549
why are you making seem like it's stop being afraid of change scenario and not what it actually is which is a pointless change

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What will you mod for civ6?

Was working a bit on adding in units and changing upgrades.
Adding dependencies for different units.

I think I might try to finish that for civ6.

>>156737948
>you
Not me. I just don't want this poll to be held up by that one retard as "look, everyone wants to be called /civ4xg/ forever!"

>>156738000
I really want combined-arms stacks instead of the current corps/armies system

>>156738037
/civ4xg/ is a shitty name. We need one that reflect the fact that we also deal in RTS, city-builders, and the rest that I forget.

Just not /sgg/, since it triggers /gsg/'s autism and cause them to develop a massive butthurt.

>>156737992
It's not pointless. The point is to have a more accurate name. The question is not whether it has a point, but whether you consider that point to be worth the trouble of changing, such as it is.

Furthermore, "status quo" vs "change" does not imply either of those value judgements, not the one that you assert was implied nor the one you aver to be true.

>>156738174
Dead Games General?
Dead Genres General?

>>156738174
>RTS, 4X, city building and other general strategy games all in one thread

wtf its gonna be confusing as shit
leave it as it was desu soon enough civ6 is out and its all we're gonna be talking about

>>156738436
>"hurr look at me I speak for the whole general"
Nah, fuck off.

>>156738432
DGG?
What about Dead Strategy Gene- no, forget that one. DGG sounds okay. Anyone has a better idea?

>>156738432
Too broad. All strategy games are fine but flappy bird should go somewhere else.

>>156738790
what a great idea that thread was

>>156737992
That's literally what it is, though.

>>156738790
>get rekt in /ssg/
>come here
LMAO

Any more ideas for the general name?

>>156739129
civ4xg

>>156739129
civ4xg

>>156739129
http://www.strawpoll.me/11378547
http://www.strawpoll.me/11378547
http://www.strawpoll.me/11378547
Vote my dudes

>>156739129
>>156739209
civ4xg is good for now. Let's wait till the civ6 hype dies down and go from there.

>>156739129
civ4xg

>>156739129
ddg.

>>156737549
I fail to the see the point of renaming the thread.
Two years ago when Endless Legend came out it was pretty popular here.
A few wanted to change the name back then as well to make it more neutral. Interest waned in EL and it stopped being talked about for a while, but every now and then someone got an itch and returned to it.
The name doesn't need to be changed for another 4x than civilization to be discussed.

The general has a fairly long history, if a new game comes up that is popular you can add it after the /civ4xg/ part, like we have now "Civilization, Stellaris, Endless Legend and 4X Games".
Remove it if it isn't talked about much, add it in again on a whim. That part is more flexible and doesn't change which place this is.
/civ4xg/ isn't though, it is the name of the place where 4x games have been discussed on /vg/ over the years.
Trying to change the name and detaching it merely makes a new different general, and leaving the old behind. You can't go back and change what the name was in 2013, that will never be the history of /sgg/, that is the history of /civ4xg/, which I would like to stay part of.

>>156727386
The game is called red alert yet the reds cant win 0/10

>>156739345
>leave it as it is
>also a civ4xg option
what

>>156739129
what about civ6xg

>>156739209
>>156739258
>>156739381
>>156739389
>>156739418
>OP is so mad his general got renamed he's samefagging
Kek.

>>156739559
lol

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>>156739585

>>156739129
/civ4xg/

>>156739420
we've been civ4xg since we were kicked out of /gsg/ years ago

it's part of our history and we should keep it.

>>156739553
The first option wasnt supposed to go in, but in a hurry i forgot to remove it so those two are the same thing

>>156739381
that would require waiting and the person who wants /sgg/ clearly cant wait

>>156739129
>>156739129
Willy Wagglers General

Because any name change will result in /gsg/ spam.

>>156739726
Congratulation, you managed to edit the page.

>>156739806
Theres this one faggot that is really triggered by the name for some reason and wants to put 50 games in one general

>>156739887
Like it or not, the decision to change the name and accept more people wasn't made by one guy.

>inb4 "but you're the /sgg/ OP!!!!1!"

>>156739887
Theres a voting going on though so we wont have to wait anything

>>156739345
I vote for /gsgg/, general strategy game general.

>>156739953
lol your pretty butthurt nobody wants to be /sgg/

>>156740164
I can hear /gsg/ getting butthurt from here.

>>156740109
one person or multiple people there still the fact that instead of waiting to cool down after /sgg/ crashed and burned that now is the perfect time to try make the new thread seem better

How do i regain manpower on ships? its the only thing stopping me rolling across the entire galaxy as the Vodyani

>>156740480
go to a colonized system

>>156740480
Recover at a system.

>>156740708
>>156740762

Yeah. i just realised that it must not work if you have your ships docked. seems odd

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I like Seven Kingdoms 2.
I wonder how that game plays with human players.

>>156741062
That doesn't look like a 4x game.

>>156740109
/sgg/ failed just let it go

>>156741145
>I spammed it so it's dead forever stop talking about it! MOM!

>>156741116
what are you stupid? that's clearly civ 5

>>156741145
Like clockwork.

>>156741243
It's dead as shit. Get over it.

>>156724708
roll

>>156741243
Voting has ended and its 6x2 dude stop

Lurker here, Strategy Games General makes the most sense despite /gsg/ shittery. I'd have just kept using the thread until they got bored and left. Maybe Other Strategy Games General as /osgg/ would make them stop wagging their dicks at us.

Was /sgg/ a thing before? What games are in need of a general so bad that they need to rename /civ4xg/? /civ4xg/ certainly doesn't need to be revitalized due to inactivity what with a new Civ game coming out soon.

Also, please no bitching about either side. I'm just curious.

>>156742248
we always accepted those games even as /civ4xg/

there is no need to rename to /sgg/

>>156742248
It's not that it's strictly necessary, but we've been talking about all sorts of strategy games here (Cossacks is big right now) so it makes more sense to rename it and formally accept the other kinds. /cbg/ is the most mourned of the recently dead strategy generals, and broadening the name would officially allow all the city builders.

>>156742384
There's also no need to remain with the current name though. It's not a question of which choice is absolutely so necessary that other options are unthinkable, but merely of which is better.

>>156742248
All strategy games used to be united in one general then total war got it's own general and somewere along the line gsg broke away as well.

>tfw no /cbg/

>>156742520
>There's also no need to remain with the current name though.
Yes there is. It ties the general to its history.

>>156742585
No. Total War and Civ used to be in /gsg/ till Total War players couldn't take the rampant shitposting and Civ got kicked out.

/gsg/ is one of the oldest generals on /vg/ and the only strategy general to stand the test of time.

Why not both? Leave /civ4xg/ as it was (Civ games, Stellaris, Endless Legend and other 4xs) and start /ssg/ for shit like age of empires dominions warcraft and all that shit no one plays anymore

We should merge with one of the hip new popular generals like /bbg/ or /gowg/ and rebrand ourselves so we actually have people to talk to

>>156742707
That's not a need. That's a subjective benefit. Just like making the name more accurately describe what we actually talk about. The question, then, is about which one has the greater benefit and which one has the greater flaw. Tying to the history is nice, since it means that people who haven't been here in a long time can find the thread easily. Changing the name is nice because it means that people who are looking to talk about the things that we talk about, or that are looking for an heir to the other strategy game generals, can find us more easily.

>>156742850
lets merge with the haydee general

>>156742802
Because then /ssg/ would die when the Cossacks hype does (almost immediate to be honest) and /civ4xg/ would die when the Civ6 hype does (probably a month after release). Over the last few years, fragmentation of generals has proven to not work well.

>>156742802
/ssg/ would run into problems like when DoW 3 comes out and the Starcraft autist would be upset nobody is talking about their game and demand the 40k fags go start their new general

Multi-game generals never really work, /fog/ is a big example and its a miracle we got this to work as well as it does

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>>156742384
This reminds me of how SJWS, instead of making their own content, latch onto existing things and try to change them.
If all he wanted was a threads to post about rts and citybuilders in, he has that now, but instead hes over here trying to gameshame us into joining his colelctive.
Maybe some cheesecake will fend off all this faggotry.

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so this is the power of the community "balance" patch

>Civ6 hype does (probably a month after release)
Civ5 is still popular dude
Civ6 will last for at least 1 year + some years of gameplay added by DLCs

/ssg/ should be moved to /vr/. Nobody plays RTS anymore.

>>156743353
>balance
If there's balance, why is there still a tier list in it, and why is it more or less the same as vanilla?
Also that mountain death bug is gay and annoying.

>>156743372
i think the only time i saw 4xg die was around beyond earth

>>156743353
production for everyone

>>156743353
What's the most ridiculous non-resource tile yield in CBP?

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I miss /cbg/. We need a new thread soon, especially with Civ VI coming.

>>156743576
Those custom houses at my capital were doing 12+ food 5+ production 3 culture 2 science and 11+ gold
custom houses are op as fuck

>>156743990
I miss it too. But Skylines is the only thing we had and it was honestly mediocre except for endless road building.

>>156743475
>tier list
where at, i cant find it by searching

>>156743484
It didn't die during BE. It was alive and well during that time.

It took a nap around I think february this year though.
Was OP for a bunch of threads in a row that all 404'd prematurely.
Figured people were busy and that it would come back for the summer. It did and I relied on /v/ threads meanwhile.

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>>156743990
>>156744368
aaaaaah

>>156743353
>All those yields from water tiles
Disgusting.

>>156744547
If it has to be heavily modded to be a city-builder, how is it based?

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>>156744368
I like skylines and I don't see anything wrong with a "city painter" compared to most of the genre fanbase, since one can get what they want without too much hassle. But that's my take.

There's a new expansion coming out... soon? Maybe that can drum up interest again.

>>156744547
>survival game
>city builder

>>156744719
If it was a survival game it would be over in 5 minutes.

>>156744547
what gayme

>>156744674
Unlikely, since the expansion doesn't have a big exciting draw to it.

>>156744674
i'd be up for remaking cbg whenever that disaster dlc comes out

>>156744927
>>156744974
>>156744674
Does anyone know how that art deco building pack was?

>>156745016
Literally just paid mods.

Pretty decent mods, but still.

>>156745016
it doesn't like it's worth the money

>>156745123
>>156745170
I like art deco but I'll wait for a steam sale, thanks dudes.

>>156745396
disaster dlc when

>>156744192
Jesus, I thought 7-food 4-hammer farms were good. That's something else.

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>>156738000
Thoughts?
Here was a work in progress counter chart.


IIRC dragoons would function as infantry, but with higher cost and more movement.
Cuirassers = 3 move
heavy dragon = 4 move ( basically fast costly infantry)
Uhlan = 5 move (I think I was considering a slight bonus to cav and a slight bonus to ranged units, maybe I was thinking of an attack bonus, not sure what I llast anded on, its in my excel doc somewhere)
Imperial Hussar = 6 move (weakest with a strong bonus to ranged units)

>>156742783
You literally just reworded what he said just to make /gsg/ sound better than everyone else.

>>156743475
>mountain death bug is gay and annoying
What bug?

>>156746006
Because they are.

For some reason them and /twg/ are the only strategy generals that haven't died once.

>>156745593
Sometime this winter, that's all I found out.

>>156745826
interesting

>>156746168
It's not a bug just an annoying feature. Instead of being impassible mountains cost health to cross.

>>156746185
>literally just got shitposted to death by assmad /gsg/ fags
>/gsg/ is good
Liquor amirite! XD

>>156748910
What? Like Carthage? What tech allows that? I'm playing a game now and I actually really need to know this.

>>156749023
At the very least they're better at surviving shitpost storms.

>>156749367
Don't even try to defend them at this point. Their general is beyond redemption.

Maybe slow periods are necessary to separate the wheat from the chafe. To get rid of the people who have been there the longest who have developed serious personality disorders and think they own the board.

>>156735005
There ARE a lot of really fucking good civs this time around. Almost every one of their First Look's I said to myself "Damn thats pretty sick" Never was the case when looking through new Civ 5 additions, usually only a couple.

Right now Im really feeling Harald, Phillip, Montezuma, Phillp and Victoria

But for the sake of style alone I'd really like to bring Teddy and Pedro to great heights and learn how to fucking pwn with them.

>>156744413
this
and list of abilities

bring back catherine and her big rack

>>156750191
Russia is going to blow everyone else out of the Religious game.

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>boot up ES 2
>play Pepe mafia because why not
>intro music has the sad fodfather trumpet
>also has an allusion to Scarface with a Dust abusing upstart underboss
>Godmother has god tier frograck
New favorite faction acquired

>>156751319
wait they're frog i thought they were squids

>Community balance patch
>if india exists on your continent you are no longer allowed to have a religion
fuck

Spies are again a unit to be built, though you have a hard cap on how many you can own.

For most leaders, they're unlocked in the Renaissance era at the Diplomatic Service civic (also the civic that unlocks casus belli). From there, most of way to raise the cap are also in the civic tree- Nationalism (Industrial era), Ideology (Modern era), and Cold War (Atomic era) all increase the spy cap by 1. The technology Computers (Modern era) also increases the cap by 1.

Catherine de Medici unlocks her first spy at the Castles technology in the Medieval era. If someone's spying on you before Gunpowder is invented, it's France.

>>156751601

Is there a good video detailing the different stages/eras of espionage in 6 yet? It's one of the things I've been looking forward to but I haven't seen a comprehensive overview yet.

>>156751547
Dont see tentacles and they seem to be amphibious....will look under the Godmom's skirt and report back any "surprises"

>>156751559
Can't the Byzzies always get a religion, no questions asked?

>>156751765
Im talking about india's unique ability to exert metric shit tons of religious pressure that you cant beat even with missionary spam.
I have 200 pressure from his religion in my capital right now

>>156751559
True. Conquering them is literally the only option. There is no resisting that religious pressure near their border.

>>156749367
>At the very least they're better at surviving shitpost storms.
>a general that spends its entire existence shitposting is better at surviving shitpost storms
fucking wow

>>156748910
Seriously though, what enables units to move over mountains?

>>156753357
my cbp doesnt have it either, the only one that move over mountains is inca, which is op as fuck since they can settle mountain cities

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>>156753602
Tell me about it.

>getting flight by 1100 AD
Civ 6's tech progress is broken.

>>156724708
Roll

>>156755123
That is on Prince, you can do some crazy tech leaps on V on Prince too

But you still may be right, it does feel awfully fast

My own judgment is a bit skewed since I usually play on Epic though

>>156755123

Yup - it definitely needs something to simulate the Christian Dark Ages

Is it just me or does the combat AI in ES2 always go for close range?

>>156755287
You tech up faster on higher difficulties, not lower difficulties.

>>156756049
This is entirely due to trade routes, isn't it?
Now only russia gets that shit.

>>156755557
You mean Roman dark ages. Greeks, Macedonians, Carthaginians... they all appreciated knowledge. Romans didn't. Technology stagnated under Roman rule.

Being the geopolitical monopole, Rome had no one to compete with technologically, therefore the elites cared more about holding on to power than investing in improvements.

>>156756136
No, it's because the AI gets tech bonuses on high difficulties and techs are less costly to the player when AI neighbors have researched it.

>>156756207

Srsly dude?
Rome that built acqueducts, baths, roads & invented concrete didn't appreciate knowledge?
Get real.
It's only in the later period - under dozens of emperors (who didn't want roman public to find out how badly they were being fucked by the upper 1%) that knowledge & intelligence started to be suppressed.
And - hey, here's Catholic church with it's 'original sin' (i.e. thinking - fyi) - let's make it official!

>>156757142
>It's only when Rome became an empire and became the monopole of the region that it held back technology for many centuries.
Literally what I was saying.

has anyone bought the israeli nation pack to red dragon? How do they hold up?

Have we seen any particularly recent images of the Civs that were excluded from the preview build? I feel like some of them, like Chinese Man, might be having their character models tweaked before release.

>>156746185
I want mods to permakill /gsg/

All they do is shit up their own thread so much that all they can do is move on and shit up other threads. They're so bad/good at raiding that they spend half their day raiding themselves.

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>30 turns in and chill when suddenly France forward settles out of nowhere
Yeah I play on a toaster fuck you.

>>156758412
they need to autosage them like kspg

>>156757142
That's why the Renaissance coincided with the greatest Church excesses, stilted aristocracy and religious repression, right?

And why by the High Middle Ages Europe was characterised by the establishment of universities, technological superiority over Rome, and advances in natural philosophy spearheaded by the clergy, right?

That Christian anti-science movement is the reason people like Ockham, Bacon, Nemore and Oresme were had no Church backlash against their research and proto-scientific advances, right?

As far as Europe can be said to have had a Dark Age, it was the period between Rome and Charlemagne, when the collapse of the Roman Empire led to demographic collapse and deurbanisation across Europe, which predictably fucked record-keeping. By contrast, by the 12th century Christian Europe was back on even footing with their previous Roman records economically and demographically, and by the end of the Middle Ages had surpassed it. None of that had anything to do with the Church, which was stronger when Europe recovered than when it fell.

You've fallen for a persistent Enlightenment meme.

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>tfw space battleship Vodyani
Best faction.

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>try to play again
>start here
I'm not gonna make it am I senpai?

>>156758547
If you buy the tiles around it now you'll mess up his city. But losing 2 tiles for no reason sucks.

>>156758751
But look at all that food! You can gets lots of civilians... for more food.

>>156758734
looks like a supremacy ship from beyond earth

>>156758842
That's not true, he can unemploy them for hammers too, and his science will be great once he builds a library at turn 200.

>playing cbp
>France declares war on me
>defense is going okay
>hurricane hits my capital
>lose 5 population
>another one hits 10 turns later
do i have to turn off events or some shit, these fuckin rng events can put you so far behind

>>156758751

Why the heck didn't you move to the river hill one hex to the northwest

>>156758727
I completely agree with your post. Also,
>le Catholicism killed Galileo because of heliocentric meme
>le inquisitors slaughtered all the poor people in Europe meme
>le "you could literally kill a dude in front of a priest and pay him money to not go to Hell!" meme
>le 95 theses were a good thing meme

These should all be killed too.

>>156758751
>didn't even move onto the river tile
I'm usually against moving the first turn, but in this case I would have moved onto that river hill even without seeing the stuff to the north.

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>>156758938
>>156758982
desu I took that screencap years ago, back when I was playing on Prince. Now that I can play on Diety I prefer to play on Prince 6 because it reduces streamlining and allows me to have FUN.

>>156759093
>having fun
Explain how, most of my Civ games nowadays consist of having some idea of fun, hitting next turn a bunch and realising it wasn't that fun after all.

I miss fun.

>>156759093
>cozy city nestled up against some mountains and the ocean
9/10 would live there

>>156758953
wasn't galileo actually supported in research by the church and only turned on for political reasons in making the pope look bad
like i don't even think they executed him

>>156759231
Don't worry anon, Civ 6 is out soon. You'll have fun for a few games then get bored and wait for the expansions.

>>156759231
I get satisfaction from having rolling bonuses, basically getting to a point where you're snowballing so far ahead of the AI, but also having to work for said success without feeling like I have to follow a step-by-step guide / having to kill the first civ I meet to get a guaranteed advantage over the other AI players. That's why I play on Prince 6, so it still feels like a game with a challenge without requiring a step-by-step repeated pattern.

Also having comfy early-Marbozir in the background helps.

>>156759305
"Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated him and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point. He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest."

Interestingly enough Wikipedia tries to say that the Inquisition found him guilty for heliocentrism, when in reality the Inquisition just called him a fucking moron in 1615 and was later arrested in 1633 for being an inflammatory fedora-tipper and backstabber.

>>156759305
From what I remember, his problem was that he was a cunt about the whole thing.

Heliocentrism was technically heretical (and opposed by Luther), but the Church wasn't actively trying to suppress it - Copernicus published his work on the model nearly a century before Galileo and died an old man untroubled by inquisitors, despite the Pope and several cardinals having heard it second-hand before the publication of his book.

It just wasn't conclusively proven, Galileo wrote about it as conclusively proven, the Catholics told him to stop getting ahead of himself, he told the Pope to go fellate a shotgun indirectly in his Dialogue, and they arrested him for being politically retarded about everything.

It's still not open and free science - the Church tolerated heliocentrism so long as it advertised itself a mathematical model rather than a physical description, in the absence of clear evidence nobody had beyond 'this model does make it all much simpler to describe' - but it wasn't the anti-thought oppression it's touted as.

>>156759231
1) Play Pangaea Plus
2) Let the AI play Arabia, Babylon, China, Inca, Korea, Maya, and Poland
3) ?????
4) FUN

>>156760256
Can you explain the ????? more, I think that's the step I usually have problems with.

>>156759231
Just use civdata to load up the boldest AIs and try to compete against those warmongering bastards. You won't be hitting next as often as you think because you will be too busy getting raped in the face and mouth by Alex and Shaka.

>Ai in the cbp will literally never make peace unless you are curbstomping the fuck out of them
i have been defending against an endless stream of units from france for 75 turns now
this is bullshit

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Why is it such a big deal whether a general changes names, allows new games, or it doesn't?

You all need to chill out.

>>156759995
>tfw a christfag near me
Christianity is an abrahamic religion. The whole point of it is breeding retarded followers so they would work for free and bring more jewgold to the Church.
Also your argumentation is of a sleazy priest who wants to scam people by "oh but it wasn't anti-thought, they merely executed him because he didn't prove water is wet enough".
>>156760692
I wouldn't stop the war if I could crank up units endlessly too.

>>156760692
>unironically using the cbp
Neck yourself.
But seriously though no, it's not out of Napoleon's character, or any warmongering AI, to continually send out death waves in Civ V that suddenly appear out of nowhere. Stop being such a baby.

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>when you just lost against Russia because they got ICBMs before you so you quit the game only to find out Russia just moved nuclear weapons to the US border in real life
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/2176

>>156760798
No one is even talking about that.

>>156761081
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-nuclear-weapon-training-attack-radiation-moscow-vladimir-putin-a7345461.html
Remember to vote for Hillary so we can make diplomatic relations even worse.

>>156760801
I'm a typical atheist STEMfag, I literally can't muster any scrap of belief in a deity.

That doesn't change the fact that calling Christianity categorically anti-science or claiming the Dark Ages have any relevance as a history term outside of 'things went to shit for a bit and we don't have many records' is incorrect.

Also, they didn't execute him at all. He was confined to house arrest for political reasons. Heliocentric models continued being distributed without the Church bothering them beyond 'slap a "this is a model" disclaimer on the front', and once Newton's theoretical grounding of the model in the principles of gravity provided an explanation beyond the numbers looking neater opposition gradually faded.

I get that you're rabidly anti-religious, but I think 'this book is a cornerstone of our society, don't publish things that contradict it without explicit evidence behind it and then act like a cunt' isn't a particularly difficult thing to ask of someone. People had been secular political prisoners for less.

I have a very important question... is there a reward in Civ 6 for circumnavigating the globe?

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>>156761081
>>156761158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wCwJ8pfXXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ0cTxABUY8
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1921458/us-army-chief-mark-milley-fires-terrifying-threat-to-russia-over-syria-and-warns-well-beat-you-any-where-any-time/

>>156761503
Haven't seen one in any of the lets plays I've watched, but some things like goody hut rewards can be very easy to miss, so there might be.

>>156761081
>>156761158
Do you really believe Ozero will nuke the source of their wealth for whatever reason? Russia is entering the last stage of a third world shithole, aka clanking with nuclear weapons much like North Korea did. While Shillary wants Iraq v2.0 to divert attention from her and her cronies shortcomings.

>>156761452
>Also, they didn't execute him at all. He was confined to house arrest for political reasons.
"They merely arrested him, he just killed himself" is a typical excuse of christfags. Again you are playing with words, much like any christfag do. And since when heliocentrism is a political issue?

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>>156760801
>The whole point of it is breeding retarded followers so they would work for free and bring more jewgold to the Church.
wew. so enlightened, m'laddo

>>156761942
Kiss the cross, retard.

>6 civ games
>it is still beyond Firaxis to have quarries that go beneath ground level

>>156762013
Will civ6 have terraforming?

>>156762013
>6 civ games
>it is still beyond Firaxis to include an Israel civ so Jew-haters can get their kicks

>>156762094
Yeah. Just sit back and don't do anything for several hundred turns. BAM! Earth is more Earth like than it would have been if you had turned everything into one big parking lot!

>>156762146
There is a Civ V mod out right now, dumby.

>>156761864
>"They merely arrested him, he just killed himself"
I'm sure he killed himself at the age of 77, nearly a decade after his house arrest, directly because the Church was suppressing his terrible ideas and keeping him in awful conditions. His well-documented health issues were nothing to do with it.

Heliocentrism was a political issue because, though this sounds fairly stupid in modern society, religion was important. People believed. It was part of the fabric of society in a way alien to anyone living in the West these days.

It also happened to be right around the Thirty Years War, so political machinations and religious differences were in the middle of getting half of Germany killed.

>>156762162
Don't pretend to be retarded, I was talking about "changing the base tile" terraforming. Civ5 shitty engine had problems with it and because of that no FFH successor could be made upon it.

>>156762229
>Israeli civ for BNW
>has absolutely nothing to do with gold
Shit mod desu senpai

>>156762385
>pretending to be retarded
It was an obvious joke, anon. Sitting back and doing nothing is not terraforming. You need some sleep.

Also what you said wasn't terraforming either really. This isn't BERT or AC.

And you should know by now that no, Civ 6 will not have any of the stuff in question.

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>>156762146
>dlc gets announced
>its Palestine with Arafat

>>156762529
>dlc gets announced
>it's Syria with Assad

>>156762529
>dlc gets announced
>it's an AI improvement pack for $80

Just got a 70 dollar bonus from my boss for doing some work under the table, should I get Stellaris or EU4?

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>>156724469
...Well?

>>156725840
what mod, my lad?

>>156762617
Obviously cattle, true pets would have died when their masters moved on by waiting for their masters to return. Just see if they can follow a laser pointer on the grass or catch a ball, just to be sure, but if they have that "deer-in-the-headlights" look feel free to cook'em.

>>156762617
Pets in case the quadrupeds are people.

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>>156762617
Whichever you need more, food or happy, duh.
I mean, they look more like food to me, but whatever.

>>156762731
Keeping people as pets is unethical, so cattle is the only option.

>>156762770
It is, however, pretty hot.
Go pets.

>>156762770
You must treat your pets like shit. Don't treat your pets like shit.

Make the quadrupeds pets.

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>>156762617

>>156762843
Of course I don't treat my pets like shit, I just don't treat them like people.

I eat people.

>>156762617
>pets increases ecologist ideology
Because the pet industry is so ecologically friendly

>>156762891
My family treats pets like people. Just people without the means of communicating who you raise to be a productive and healthy member of the family.

I thought we were "strategy general" now. Why the separatism?

>>156725840
What mod is this?
I really want a game from the earliest basics, with a tribal phase even, going all the way to cannons eventually.

>>156763020
autism and hurt fee fees

just post stratgames

>>156763020
/gsg/ spammed the fuck out of the renamed thread. And then some kid threw a fit in this one about how he wasn't consulted on the change.

>>156762990
You expect them to grow up and lead their own lives? You treat them as if they're equal in intelligence? You expect them to follow societal norms?

>>156762617
Veganism is the ideology of the future, be clean, pure and morally superior, and don't kill.

Are we certain it wasn't /ssg/ that was spamming?

>>156763134
>mfw if vegans had their way humanity would cease to exist because people would be too hungry to actually cultivate food
Oh that's right, I don't have a face because thanks to your veganism I'm fucking DEAD.

>>156761568
>usa general: HULK SMASH
>russian general: we will defend ourselves

Fucking neo-soviet communist ruskies trying to be imperialist and aggressive again.