/rpgmg/ - RPG Maker General #169

>>155419165

OLD THREAD

Alright fellows, what is your game plan for Sunday?

Database, Scripting, Eventing, Mapping, Spriting or something else?

>>156297315
Art. I've got mostly RTP stuff right now except for a few enemy sprites. I halfway want to redo all the art for the whole game in my own style, but I know it would take forever.

>>156297315
Working on my story for a demo I'm planning.
~30 % to go or so.

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>>156297315
I'm going to be working on everything. Gotta get a strong start.

>>156294527
In the same way that Steampunk is about steam and cogs and Cyberpunk is about computers and the internet, Starpunk is basically about astrology and the celestial bodies. The magic of space!

Here's the mostly finalized character designs. I still have some things to tweak, but it's good enough for me and my co-creator to start.

>>156298418
Thanks doc.
I like their designs, who are they and what do they do?

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>>156299889
Thanks!

The two sitting down are the Female and Male versions of the player character.
The green one on the far left is Aria Saturni, a Lunar Moth healer.
Next to her is Hoshishiro Whitestar, a Raptor princess from an eastern tribe who's on a journey to relight the stars in the night sky, as it's part of her family's duty.
Next to her is Duffie O'Houlihan, a Hellhound who owns a company in the big city where the Player Character works and takes on a job as personal bodyguard for Lady Raptor.
Beside her is Maya Flamsteed, a Minotaur who used to work for Duffie before she resigned from her job years ago. Now she takes care of Aria.

Across from them are the most major antagonists, the Baphomet Umbra, Voidcaller and Mr.S.Killer.

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How do you handle numbers, anons?

>>156303075
I'm more familiar with tabletop games than JRPGs, so I like 'em small and dice-like. If that means a little rocket tag early on, then so be it.

>>156303075
I write down a bunch of numbers on paper then throw them away, Repeatedly.

>>156303075
I like mathmagicians, so I like them small, but not that small. Between 50 and 250 for HP/MP and between 10 and 50 for regular stats is what I am shooting for. At least with playable characters. Bosses could probably go higher, but 4 digits would be reserved for secret bosses and the final boss.

>>156298418
Why do they all have the same/similar color palette? Makes them blend together.

>>156305954
The game has a whole has a purple and green theme. It's not just them, it's most of the world too.

The story is about a world that's always at night and under starlight, so it's part of the story.

>>156306839
So the characters blend together along with the background? That sounds...bland. I mean the designs themselves look nice! I like cloak guy with his space face, but the fact that they all just sort of congeal into purple black and green takes away from their otherwise distinct looks.

>>156307359
It won't be quite that bad! Not literally all of the tiles and such are going to be green and purple, it's just a thematic thing. There are only three elements in the game which are colored Green, Purple and Black. (Star Light, Astral Fire, Umbral Void) The characters colors all have a heavy focus towards their own element. Backgrounds and things will of course have more neutral shades.

I was around back in the Fog days of VX, so I'm pretty self aware about stuff looking bland. Hopefully I can get enough work done to have actual screen shots soon rather than just talk though.

Do you prefer large cities with many houses and unimportant NPCs or do you prefer small "city hubs" with only the important stuff in there like 2 shops and an inn?

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Tell me, if this was your first free moment in the game, where would you head to first?

>>156310619
probably the left. npcs to talk to. "always go left in a maze". and it looks busier overall

>>156311034
It does sound busier, yes, I'll try and place some more things to the right, although it's better this way since I want people to go left first to complete some quests.

>>156310252
I prefer large cities with unimportant and important NPCs, but mostly important NPCs, even if it's a small important role, I want to feel as the NPCs are somehow significant for me/the story.

>>156310619
The first thing that caught my eye was the green-haired NPC on the right, but realistically, I'd probably check whatever was closest.

>>156310619
Something about the art makes the buildings pop out way more than the people to me. I'd probably go to that inn first.

So, what exactly is a Mary Sue and how can I avoid writing my characters as one?

>>156313371
I was thinking exact the same, but I would go for her and then go for the other npcs to the left, after that, the inn. But I think maybe if the thing above her head is bigger it would look better, she's too isolated.

>>156313642
It's the stroke, I think. The npcs don't have it. The big sign from the Inn kinda makes it pop out more, too. It's interesting to know that the use of stroke can influence the gameplay, tho.

>>156310252
Exploring large cities in RPGs gets tiring for me, so I'd lean towards the latter. Maybe it's just me, but when I run into yet another city where I feel obligated to talk to everyone and check everything (multiple times, if it's one of those games where everyone says something different after every major event), it often saps my will to continue. I wouldn't do away with them entirely, though; I'd rather have smaller towns or a hub that's relatively small but has a lot of things going on throughout the game.

>>156317551
The term is used so much these days that you'll probably get a million different answers, but I'd say it all comes down to writing. A well-written character kind of isn't a Mary Sue by default. But writing a good character is easier said than done, so that's not a helpful answer.

I'd define a Mary Sue as a wish fulfillment self-insert for the writer, someone that the story just plain treats better than the others. They get the coolest powers and all the praise, and any hardship they experience is superficial at best. If you design a character thinking they're the one you'd want to be if you were in the game, they might be a Mary Sue.

But I'd say not to worry about it too much. I think writing Mary Sues is something everyone does at some point (I sure did), and like everything else, you'll get better at writing with practice. Even wish fulfillment can be a good thing; it just has to appeal to the players, not the writer.

>>156319012
Could you give examples of "big cities" and "small cities" you disliked or enjoyed? I think my game has a large city, and I'm a little worried about it, since I do a large amount of interactions throughout the game and don't want the gameplay to be intorelable...

Any Ruby coders here? Or know of a place with publicly accessible classifieds? I'm looking to hire someone to convert some scripts so that I can drop VX and finally use Ace but I don't want to have to go through the whole "accumulate 30 posts and get warnings on half of them" just to offer someone money.

Good night bump

>>156310619
Talk to pumpkin face
talk to old pink dog
talk to Brown pointy ear
read sign
inspect well
pull blue carrot
inspect swing
talk to green hair
inspect crystal
talk to ghost on bench
check out inn

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After asking around about how to remove the slide between tiles from movement (pic related) someone suggested that I make the player movement function change the x,y val and the real x,y val at the same time, then the movement would get that jumpy look I am going for.
>$gamePlayer._x = xval;
>$gamePlayer._realX = xval;
>$gamePlayer._y = yval;
>$gamePlayer._realY = yval;

Anyone good with plugins that could help me out with that? I'm not quite sure where the player movement function is to change it in a plug in.
I would also need to set the $gameMap.event movement to do the same so the NPCs move like the player.

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I gave the cogs a little spin. They go faster when the player takes damage and out of control when special attack is ready. Looks smoother in-game. Gif is potatoes.

>>156327910
That's a nice UI element, sounds like it adds a lot of character to the game.

>>156327735
I think it has to do with this area not sure how it needs to be modified though:

Game_CharacterBase.prototype.moveStraight = function(d) {
this.setMovementSuccess(this.canPass(this._x, this._y, d));
if (this.isMovementSucceeded()) {
this.setDirection(d);
this._x = $gameMap.roundXWithDirection(this._x, d);
this._y = $gameMap.roundYWithDirection(this._y, d);
this._realX = $gameMap.xWithDirection(this._x, this.reverseDir(d));
this._realY = $gameMap.yWithDirection(this._y, this.reverseDir(d));
this.increaseSteps();
} else {
this.setDirection(d);
this.checkEventTriggerTouchFront(d);
}
};

>>156317551
avoid making the character perfect. make them fail at least once at something non trivial.

also what >>156319012
said

Would just rescaling the faceset to be the charset good for the alpha stage of the game development?

I don't know if I should make all the art first or use placeholder Googled art and work on gameplay first.

>>156334484
How well do you have all your gameplay planned out? Do you know exactly what assets you'll need?

Personally, I find that there's nothing wrong with making the art first as long as you've planned everything properly. You don't want to waste time making a bunch of assets that you're going to throw out later because you've realized some part of your game or other doesn't work. If you think that may happen, just use placeholders for now.

>>156310252
Both extremes are bad, imo. NPCs are a great way to deliver information about the world and providing you clues for your quest without having to infodump on the player at every scene. And that benefits both, the players who just want to go on with their game and those who want to learn more about the lore. The number of npcs should thus be limited by the things you want or can say in the game.

However, if you are providing lore in some other way (party chat) and you want to make Towns into Inns and stores, just make it so a menu is displayed when you enter the Town from the map.

>>156335974
imo its fine to have simplified hubs for unimportant places, but for someplace that's suppose to be a big deal, like a capital, should be fleshed out more.

That isn't to say you can just have a bunch of empty houses and one line npcs. The place is important, so it needs more effort put into it.

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Working with 48x48 is ridiculous, but I'm applying similar artstyles as seen with Square snes games to my game.

Bamp

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Is there a way to make an actors sprite sheet change with class change, I'm using default assets and plug-ins? Just so you know it's my first go at the engine. Just want to know if it's doable with default everything.

>>156319012
Even when you sign post things so the player can know who is important and what objects can be investedgated - they still walk around every inch of the screen pressing the action button like a retard because other games conditioned them to do so.

>>156336596
Again, if there really is a place that is so unimportant you have nothing to say about it, you might as well just save yourself from mapping it and just display a "Go To Inn", "Go to Item Store", "Go to Smith" when you visit it from the map.

Post progress

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>>156341881
Here. This is why I'm asking...

>>156346418
Can't you do it with "Change Actor Images..." in Common Events?

>>156348720
Thanks, and now I feel stupid for deving while tired/clocking too many hours to notice the obvious

What is the first monster your party encounters?

>>156319750
I don't play RPGs as often as I used to, so my memory might be off, but:

Grandia 1 and 3 were particularly bad. The first because I found the city layout confusing and the map utterly useless, so I kept getting lost. Maybe I would have gotten used to it, but I didn't get far. The third because every single NPC seemed to have between 1-5 things to say after almost every event; I felt obligated to try to see it all, which meant talking to everyone all the time until they started repeating things. The writing was entertaining (at least in the earlier parts of the game, which were better), but it got tedious.

On the other hand, the first two Paper Mario games were pretty good. The cities in that game were just fun to explore. It wasn't the size, but rather that the writing was good and there always seemed to be a lot to find and certain things you couldn't reach yet. I never minded finding a new city, or revisiting an old one.

Trails in the Sky... I loved that game, but the cities were often a chore. They were huge, showed up near the beginning of each chapter, and ground the game to a halt every time. Each was at the center of a chapter's story and there were a lot of easily missable sidequests and secrets in that game, so going through them thoroughly and regularly felt kind of required. But it was a slow game I played at a time I wasn't in the mood for that, I admit.

So, I guess I'd say it's less about size than what you do with it, which is probably less helpful than "don't go above X NPCs". It's a very subjective thing, and I imagine difficult to get right because of that. I don't have a lot of experience designing cities myself, but I'd say to keep in mind that a normal RPG city is a complete stop to the normal flow of the game, and plan it accordingly. If it's just one, it shouldn't be much of a worry, especially if it comes at a time when the player needs a break.

Thinking about this is making me want to start making something again.

>>156351646
>Trails in the Sky... I loved that game, but the cities were often a chore
I played TiTS for two hours and barely got past the tutorial (sewer) dungeon. The cities are so big, they're distracting

>>156351646
Do it Anon

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>>156319750
if you have "one" large city than that's probably fine. the main town should always be a little bigger than the normal towns or villages. Let your party stay there for a long time and only allow them to explore it partly (spend night at inn at first, visit castle tomorrow).

Personally i really like the star ocean 2 towns, their designs always felt unique and different. (bridges,stairs, water, weather, nature, music, different kinds of stores) Making them distinct is the most important thing in my opinion.
Like someone else said: trails of towns are waaaay too big

Evil bumpy

Do you ever go look at the RPGs on steam and wonder why you don't just churn out some trite RTP filled game to make cash like others do?

>>156358047
I don't want to remembered for making a super trashy RTP rpg maker game
What makes me angry is that some of them actually earn money

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I designed a new monster, based on a tardigrade. He's gonna have through-the-roof defenses, obviously.

Thoughts? I'm pretty proud of his design

>>156359296
Very nice, though there are a few stray pixels here and there. I love this art style!

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What do you guys think of the other engines made by enterbrain? i think 2nd Fighter maker is pretty dope.

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>>156360159
Thanks anon! I've kind of come to embrace stray pixels; it's something I gotta work on.

Here's my whole monster collection so far, minus the bosses.

>>156360938
Have you been drawing on the draw threads on /v/ by any chance?

>>156362286
No, why?

>>156362447
Your style reminded me of someone from there.

What does your MC do after the end of the game? What about the rest of the party?

>>156364868
they can finally afford a meal, so they eat

>>156364868
He moves in with his love and they live happily ever after.

It's not time to die, bump.

Do you gives your characters surnames?

>>156364868
It depends on who died in the end!

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I tried drawing my world map with pastels. Not sure how I feel about the result.

>>156370543
I kinda like it. The whole game would need to look like this however.

>>156376137
Yes.

>>156376137
But thou must.

>>156370120
I'm planning to, but din't decide which names I'm going to be using .

>>156358047
Not a chance. Instead I envy the designer's ability to actually finish games.

How many plugins is a healthy number to release your game with? I'm using 65 and a little scared

>>156380328
Fewer is better for stability. Don't go looking at plugins for feature ideas to put in your game, but use them to achieve a vision you have that the base program falls short of.

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Rate my Pokemon Essentials MV offering so far.

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>>156380959

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>>156381151
Might fill it the blanks with fan tiles, but thats after I get the regular FR/LG in there first.

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>>156381381

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>>156382107
Everything sorted for MAXIMUM SPACE!

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>>156382834
And thats it for the Outside.

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Which one is your favorite?

>>156383537
Wait, you did the Pokemon set yourself?
If so I'm really impressed.

>>156385984
They all are pretty great, if I had to call a favorite I would say top middle because she is so happy.

>>156387036
Anon, I think she's crying...

>>156380959
I was just thinking of a game idea earlier (and wrote down some notes about it too). I was thinking of maybe making an NES-styled Pokemon game, under the premise that it would be like, a Pokemon game that came out before Red/Green in some parallel version of our world. It would be made with the idea of having it be more limited than Red/Green, so Red/Green would seem like they had new and exciting content compared to this one, as if they were actual sequels to it.

Some of the notes I'd come up with:
- Pokedex is 70 Pokemon, all out of the original 151.
- No starter choice. You get Rattata and you'll like it, bitch.
- Most third forms of Pokemon don't exist, such as Pidgeot, Golem and Machamp.
- Single types only. Pokemon with dual types are changed to single (for example, Pidgey is just Flying).
- Ice, Psychic, Ghost and Dragon don't exist.
- Only 4 badges to get, and there is no Elite 4, just a champion.
- No evil team and no rival.
- No TMs or HMs. This also means no Surf or Fly.
- Level cap is changed to 50. Stats and moves are adjusted to reflect this change.
- Battles would be totally front view, without seeing your own Pokemon, only the enemy Pokemon against a black background.

I think it would be neat.

>>156387565
Why the god damn fuck would you enjoy a more limited version of anything ever god damn
fuck

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>>156388307
Ever played Gang Garrison 2? A 2D platformer version of Team Fortress 2 is more fun than you'd think. At least it was, when people still played it.

>>156380959
Looks good to me, though I haven't tried it in the actual maker. Still, nice work.

>>156387565
While it certainly could work I'm not sure if I would like to play it.

Live

I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and actually start practicing art one of these days. Most of my ideas just wouldn't work with the RTP, and my minor sprite editing skills aren't exactly enough.

Hopefully it's not quite as hard as it looks.

>>156394251
If it's pixel art is quite easy! For tileset you can just use simple tilesets as base (the ones that come with rpg maker are complicated, but the ones in Undertale are reallyyy simple, for example)

This was mentioned the other thread so maybe somebody will be interested. Ao Oni anime shorts are out in your favorite animu streaming sites.

>>156394251
It's pretty fun and feels satisfying.
Just take it slow and don't expect art of the highest quality from the very beginning.

>>156395401
Are they any good?

>>156395750
Spoilers might ruin the most enjoyable moment in the show
Well, it is a chibi comedy show with humor similar to Happy Tree Friends I only grinned once, and it was when the narrator revealed the tone of the show, but then again, grinning once in three minutes is better than most comedies do for me

>>156395194
>>156395750
Honestly, I'd probably be good at it by now if I hadn't convinced myself years ago it would be too hard to learn. That and I'm lazy. I worry it would take years of practice to reach low DeviantART level, but that's at least partly an excuse not to make the effort.

It would be nice if I could do character portraits too (at least heads, though more is preferable), but I imagine that's a lot harder, pixel art or not.

>>156395750
>>156397701
Sorry, meant to quote >>156395512

>>156387036
Thanks, anon! But she's actually crying! I like your perspective, tho, I'll just let her looking sappy like that (sad+happy?)

>>156385984
Griffith-dog

>>156385984
The old dogball thing in the bottom-middle, whatever it is. Looks like something you'd get tutorials from.

Always enjoyed 90's square/enix/soft games, want to make my own and sell it one day, is this a good engine for that, an whats the difference between XV, MV and Ace?

>>156360481
>What do you guys think of the other engines made by enterbrain? i think 2nd Fighter maker is pretty dope.
I bought that ages ago. Seemed neat, but I never had the patience to make anything other than joke characters, and the defaults were pretty dull. I never got much use out of it.

I've never tried any of their other engines.

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>>156398352
>She is actually crying
Now I feel like a fool.
I still like her.
Sappy is something different.

>>156400483
>is this a good engine for that
It should be, as long as you're thinking of SNES-era games. RPG Maker isn't designed to support 3D graphics (I'm sure it's technically possible, but you'd probably be better off using another engine for that). RPG Maker tends to be more Dragon Quest than Final Fantasy by default, too, but that can be changed.

>whats the difference between XV, MV and Ace?
MV is the newest version, and the biggest difference is that it uses Javascript instead of Ruby - you don't need to bother with programming to use it, but if you do, MV's code is more open to modification and supports a lot of things previous versions didn't, including mobile systems.

Apart from that, I think they're all relatively similar on the surface; there are various differences, particularly in mapping, but I can't remember any off the top of my head. Someone else can probably help with that.

>>156400483
>is this a good engine for that,
The engine comes with a lot of tools useful for that. Said tools might be more or less useful depending on how much you want to deviate from those games, though.

>an whats the difference between XV, MV and Ace?
VX is the buggy version of VX Ace, Never acquire it.

Ace exports a game in Ruby and you can't edit all of it. MV exports a game in JS and all of it can be edited.
Ace is modified with Scripts. MV wih Plug-.Ins. Plug-Ins are more useful, iimo.
Ace has image proloading. MV loads images as they becoime useful, creating an image lag in shitty computers and a sound lag eerywhere.
Ace works with 36x36 tiles.MV with 48x48.
Ace's face creator sucks. MV's is alright
Ace's RTP is less shitty than MV's.

sleep tight

>>156404927
But don't die during your sleep.

>>156406814
That goes for you too, thread.

Musicbros where are you hiding?
I want to listen to your newest works.

Is it normal for a MVgame to have 700k-800k memory usage in the task manager?

>>156411451
>Is it normal for a [RPG MAKER] game to use a shit ton of memory
Yes, unfortunately.

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Good night bump
I hope you all sleep well

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Bumping with an overly aggravating script call I had to beat around for the last hour to get right.

Stupid list didn't say the A needed quotation marks. Assuming then that it did, I also assumed the "false" would. Then in full test mode, I was testing verbal outputs (since quick test is faster than booting up the game each time), but I didn't realize that true would output "true" while false would always output "0" (along with everything else that wasn't false). Failing all of the above, I replaced the A with a numeric, first 1, then 0, to successive failures.

But whatever. One hour, and I figured it out eventually. Maybe someone else is interested in an event changing another event's Self Switch - if so, pic related is how it's down. Top row is explaining whats up, bottom rows are an example of it in use.

Good morning bump.

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>>156360481
Fighter Maker is great.

>>156411451
PS1 VERSION WINS AGAIN

Not all of the RAM even goes to it either, since it reserves most of it for your edits/quicksave/whatever you've copied to the clipboard

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Have you played any lost rpgmaker games?

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Thanks for the Anon earlier for pointing this out, I was looking for the option under Actor not System.

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Standard MV Sprites are so ugly. Anyone got some good inspiration for alternatives in a similar size?

How many of you are planning on moving your projects over to VN Maker when it comes out? The more I work with RPG Maker, the more I feel like my game would benefit from just being a VN.

>>156431013
Depends on how much I can tinker with it. Can I make battle systems for it? If so, I may think of translating to it.

>>156431013
I never switch engines if I can help it, but I might make a project on it next. Depends, really.

>>156296860
based

Sidequests are fun

Reminder that if you don't have a new character join the party at a level based on the party/main character's current level, or you have a character leave the party for a while and then come back without them gaining any EXP, you're an asshole.

Playing a game and a character just rejoined my party after being gone a while and she's now 5 levels under the rest of the party. Fuck these asshole developers.

Speaking of cities, is it possible using events to generate random NPCs and have them walk to a random place before disappearing?

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Today is the day I take a break from my main game and make a shitty skelly game in time for Halloween.

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Finally getting to the point I'm playing through the thing to fix bugs and stuff!
Demo is almost there! Hopefully I'll get it done this month.

>>156444537
Congratulations, I'm really looking forward to it.

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>tfw you find out your plot twist was used at least 2 times already

Fuck this

>>156445998
Use it anyways.

>>156448642
Don't dew it

>>156445998
It isn't like there is an infinite amount of plot twist. Just try to pull it off better than the other guys.

>>156445998
you're making a RPG maker game and you're worried about this?

>>156445998
Do multiple plot twists at one time for one big mind-blow.

I'm bored.

>>156455297
DashBored

So I'm planning out a small trading card game of sorts for MV since I'm familiar with RPG maker as a whole and I figure that would be the easiest engine to do it in/edit to my needs and I want a playing field to move cards around.
Thoughts? Is there anything better?

>>156456158
I would probably do it in Adobe Flash, but that is because it is the only program I know besides RPG Maker where I could pull it off.

That said, Game Maker might be a reasonable choice if you aren't going to use RPG Maker's mapping feature for much.

>>156456158
I'll just say that I love TCGs and if yours is fun, I will definitely play it. Any details about how you want it to play out?

I'm going to the dark side /rpgmg/ I'm going to stop trying and failing to make my own art and just make a game with RTP. Forgive me.

>>156456774
My game revolves around on mapping features/fields to play on, but I'll keep those two in mind.

>>156456794
My idea is that the players put out three Character Cards at the start- and have other cards to equip items, weapons, and to boost attacks / cast magic / defend.

I'm uncertain about wither the player or the Character Cards will have HP.

Two key things I want out of the game are:
1) I always want it to be possible for a smart newb to beat a terrible player with rare cards
2) I want repeat cards to still provide something for the player- even if it's just melting them for currency for booster packs.

>>156458204
So... kinda like Xenocard? I can get behind a Xenocard style game. I probably put more time into that minigame than I did in the main game of Xenosaga Ep1 back in the day.

>>156458132
Even amateurish art is better than limiting yourself with the RTP.

>>156458642
Not him, but getting a game done is more important than worrying about art

>>156458712
If you're willing to sell your game, it needs to have custom assets.

>>156459807
The games on steam would say otherwise.

to give my drawing wrist a break, i've been messing around with music

https://soundcloud.com/grayburg/forest-v1

still a wip, of course, and the piano is basically what i "sketch" with

>>156461235
That's pretty good for a work in progress.
I like it.

>>156461235
Reminds me of touhou OST, I like it too.

What's worse, RTP, or editing sprites from other games?

>>156464546
rtp

>>156445998
if you can't twist it, spin it. something as simple as changing how its presented can make a big difference.

>>156464546
one is laziness, the other is laziness and theft. do the math.

>>156467153
But two negatives make a positive.

>>156467153
>theft
>Implying top down RPG/Adventure art hasn't be one big iterative wankfest since its inception.
Everything is just redraws of the games before it.

>>156458642
I'd say I disagree, but honestly, amateurish art can look just fine with the right style. And you'd improve with the practice, too.

I don't have a problem with people who just want to make an RPG without worrying about custom art, though. It's not ideal, especially if you want to sell it, but game design is a lot of work on its own.

>>156464546
Letting /rpgmg/ die is worse than either.

But I'd say edited sprite rips if you don't care about selling your game or sharing it anywhere official. They at least tend to be things RPG Maker users haven't seen a million times.

>>156464546
TBQH RTP isn't really that bad because 99% of the people who will come across your game have probably never even seen the RTP before and won't know any different.

What is the moral of your game?

>>156478659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MipZoXeJiLI

>>156478659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KThlYHfIVa8

>>156478659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-YfuVQmX8

>>156478659
Probably something like "Don't give up on life", "It's not too late to start living your life", or "If you can't live for yourself, live for the people you care about".

>>156478659
Death is inevitable

>>156478659
Just because someone has good intentions doesn't make them good.

>>156478659
Attempting to replicate another game's mechanics is a frustrating learning experience. Borderlands in RPG Maker isn't happening any time soon. Making weapons with levels and randomly pre-generated augments is an excercise in FUN. And this is just weapon generation!

In my game, because of how I do the formulas, putting your first stat point in defense will make you immune to damage from most of the early game. How do I make HP an equally viable investment while keeping defense as powerful as it is?

>>156484129
Wait, do you want your players to be extremely powerful or something?

>>156484443
Sort of, yes. The main character is the only one who gets stat increases and all of the party members are very gimmicky.

Do you guys clear out the default items in the database, start your own item count after those, or something else?

>>156485348
Well, the only thing you can do with HP is to increase it a lot then.

>>156484129
You could only let the player put points into HP, restricting defense increases to equipment or the equivalent like Paper Mario did. I don't know how your game's mechanics work, though, so maybe you wouldn't want to do that.

>>156484129
Give opponent's some attacks that use a different formula where defense is weaker.
Or make Def grow slower/require more Exp.

https://m.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding/comments/1atjp8/i_think_yall_guys_could_profit_from_a_little/

I found this on worldbuilding... Do you think it's useful knowledge to create maps for RPG Maker?

>>156489743
That's really interesting and it helps if you want to create a more realistic world.
However it is rather complex and I'm not sure if you really need it for a (fantasy) RPG.
Suspension of disbelief is a powerful thing and we simply accept the world and its setting in most cases.

>>156491793
You're right, but I did find some useful information that can be used, such as volcanoes being near rivers or ocean. It's a little detail, but helps to set the mood for me, if it's more based in reality (just based, of course, it's fantasy after all)

>>156478659
Well, uhhh, you're an archvillain on the rise, so there;s not much in way of morality. I guess I could add one essential moral to it, at least: don't be a fucking edgelord.

Why does my event stop stepping when I make it turn towards the player, even though I'm enabling it again?

>>156493054
An event on steps when it's stopped. If the turn towards player is being repeated, it may not register as stopped. Basically though, you're giving insufficient information as for what might be wrong. Just screenshot the event in question.

>>156493602
only*

What is the motivation of your MC to do whatever he is doing?

>>156495865
>he

>>156498137
Then tell me about her motivation Anon.

Good night bump

>>156505692
what a buzzkill

>>156370543
it's actually fucking awesome anon. reminds me of old final fantasy games. i remember when i was a wee little lad and wanted to make my own rpg games because i played too much legend of dragoon and wanted to hand-draw all the backgrounds (:

Studying Geography really fucks up a lot of fantasy maps for you.

>>156508483
Eh, depends heavily on the setting of the fantasy world. I don't think Neverland can get fucked by any amount of geography.

>>156478659
You should resolve conflicts nonviolently whenever you can. But there's nothing wrong with throwing a punch every once in a while.

>>156495865
Originally she didn't want to return home because she'd get scolded by mom, then she learns to be responsible and wants to return home but needs to fix some disasters she caused first.

>>156511518
True, but neverland is basically just a drug trip. It isn't suppose to make sense. That doesn't hold for most other worlds that are presented to be an actual place.

>>156495865
Depression drives her to surrender her body for possession to a ghost-like being that wants to experience the world. She considers it a "Soft Suicide." This introduces her to a hidden layer of the world and she has to deal with the events and consequences of entering it.

In VX Ace, is there a sleek way to get the tile ID of a coordinate in a script call? Like

$game_map.terrain_tag(x, y)

but for the tile ID.

STOP GOING TO PAGE 10 GODAMNIT !!

Oh boy, just look at the time!
It's time to post progress, /rpgmg/!

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>>156493602
Thanks anon! It was repeating itself, it works now.
sorry about the quality

>>156516313
Alright, found it out myself. For anyone interested, it's

$game_map.data[x, y, layer]

layer = 0 (lower layer), 1 (secondary lower layer auto-tiles), 2 (upper layer)

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Progress is going a bit weird today.
There seems to be a moment in the game where the framerate just suddenly starts to drop every few seconds, as in... the game freezes slightly for some reason.
I believe it has something to do with lots of pictures being deleted...? I'm not sure...

>wrist still hurting, more even
probably doesn't help that i give myself a break from work.. by playing high-apm video games

>>156532789
>high-apm video games
Gotta watch out for that man. RSI is no joke. I fucked my wrists playing Diablo 2 too much back in the day. Take it easy on games like that unless you want to be wearing wrist braces when you are older.

>>156464546
Not working on your game.

>>156527527
What about trying to delete them in phases? Like delete x amount of them, run another event process, delete y more of them, etc.

>>156515576
I guess, but there is still quite a range of fantasy worlds standing between Wonderland and Conan's Hyborian Earth. Most of the worlds standing in the middle of the scale and those leaning towards Wonderland can get away with geography that doesn't make perfect sense.

>>156542163
Oh. Just found out Hyperborea has a map and it is not very realistic, but you probably get the idea. Fantasy worlds can go from Surreal Zaniness to Alternate Earths.

>>156538864

>>156508483
And can wonder even more when you find out the author worked on the world to make it accurate.

>>156527527
IIRC, there's a script call to "delete pictures X through Y." The anon working on that rootbeer/bubblegame game was using it. Perhaps that would help as its only a single line and won't take much logic.

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First attempt at spriting. I'm trying to make a fairy companion similar to Navi from LoZ. How is it?

Bump

>>156552503
Looks good to me. I actually thought the eyes and mouth were arms and legs from the thumbnail, making it look like a tiny winged glowing person, but I'd say the potential confusion is fine. Or maybe that's just me.

Bump to you too.

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Still getting the hang of making sprites

If the thread keeps dying like this, I'm going to have to start a project and regularly post progress just to keep it alive.

>>156555390
What is the tone of your game like?

>>156560887
Please do Anon.

>calculate the stat growth curves for your characters
>type them level by level
>at last level 99
>*wait a minute...*
>realize you calculated for 100 level ups, not 98
I guess I'll use generate curve now.

>>156560909
Comfy and light-hearted at the beginning, gets darker later on

>>156549541
Oh neat that'd definitely help me out! If anyone has it please tell me!

>>156562041
This raises a good question:

How do you all handle your characters' growth rates? Do you use generate curve? Use math to come up with a curve and enter them level by level? Stick with linear growths for simplicity? Or do your characters not gain levels at all?

I'll probably be keeping stats low and using linear growth rates, since I liked how that worked in other games, but I'm curious.

>>156564267
Normally, very low curves. For my current game tho, I'm questioning how I want to do it. Right now the fights are looking pretty sparse, mainly due to the modern urban setting. I am debating trading battles for puzzles and leaving traditional combat out of it all together.

>>156569982
Don't bump me. I want to die

Live

>>156564267
for my current project, im going to set characters with a pretty sizable base, and have stats from level ups be all but negligible. the main benefit from leveling up will be unlocking skills, powering up will primarily come from equipment and skills.

>>156564267
I like to keep the numbers low at the beginning but raise them a lot for the end game.

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>>156564267
I stole another game's attribute system, even down to the very cost formula to level an attribute.

>Going from Level X to X + 1 gives Floor(X ÷ 5) + 3 stat points
>Raising a stat from X to X + 1 costs Floor[(X − 1) ÷ 10] + 2 points

>>156575223
>those stats
Triggered

>>156575223
Years later I still recognize this on sight.

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>>156575223
>Ragnarok Online
My brother

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>>156563567
I went hunting through the archives for it, but apparently only half of the two threads were saved. I did, however, find this tucked away somewhere in there. It... looks like it does what I think it does. I have MV though, so I can't test it myself. Maybe give it a test and see if it works.

Bamp.

>>156387565
If you promise to make custom sprites with very few colors and all that sweet 8-bit dithering like in necropolis then I' game.
Try also creating a super convoluted syste that's crucial for finishing the gae and would have been hated by most, like something they had to take off the game before releasing red/green.

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>searching random Japanese resource websites for enemy battlers
>find these mixed in with a bunch of traditional monsters

>>156582146
bur

So before I start digging through a bunch of plug-ins, forum posts and script calls, I thought I should just ask.

Has anyone found an easy way to make a skill that replaces one state with another? I known there's a yanfly one for buffs, but that only works with parameters from what I've seen.

Basically I just want to make a <Target User> skill that will replace <State x> with <State y>. If nothing else I know how to handle it with a bunch of script calls and common events, but maaaaaaan, I hope there's something cleaner.

Babampa

So how difficult would it be to start a project with no programming experience?

>>156586693
incredibly easy if you're making a turn-based rpg.

>>156586754
How about being art inept too?

>>156588034
Same

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working on the hand my friend won't stop bitching about

and trying to shade the face

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By any chance, does anyone have those old side view battlers Mack did for RM XP ?
It seems they have completely disapeared from the internet ...

>>156591719
Looks nice

Can anybody explain cliff tiles to me?

>>156581363
I think something is wrong with your "m" key bro.

So, RPG Maker MV's been released for a year. How do you guys find it? Does it stack up to XP, VX, and Ace? I'm wondering if I should get it if it drops price on Black Friday.

>>156605437
It was laggy at first for me, but it works fine now.

>>156605437
Shit, that means I haven't made any progress in a year.

>>156612374
It is never too late to start making progress.

>>156586693
>>156588034
You can do a lot with RPG Maker without ever touching programming or art, especially considering all the resources made by others. You'll be more limited, of course, but the engine is pretty flexible. MV even has a decent character maker that lets you create custom sprites without drawing them yourself by choosing from various pieces.

>>156616223
...Don't mind the name. Came here from another general and forgot to delete it.

>>156605437
This is how I feel about MV compared to previous RPG Makers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY74tiYtpbw

Show me your combat systems

>>156591719
She is so cute she is giving me diabetes.

>>156591719
Something still looks a little off, but I couldn't tell you what it is. Maybe it's just me.

She's cute enough that it doesn't really matter. Certainly better than I can do.

>>156618990
It is just Yanfly's CTB.

>>156618990
I'm probably just going to stick with the default, maybe with a couple of Yanfly plugins, unless I can come up with something better for lewd purposes.

In RMVXA, does anyone know when enemy targeting is determined? When exactly does the game choose whom enemies will be targeting? Is it at the start of the round? Or is it on the moment?

>>156623491
maybe use some minigame gimmick

>>156631610
What sort of minigame?

You are gonna die

In VX Ace, if I have a common event consisting only of script calls and want to make that into a callable script stored in the editor, what do I have to add?

>>156634437
you can make that common event trigger from a switch.

then just turn on that switch, through event commands or a script call, whenever you want it to be called?

>>156636691
No, see, I don't want the script cut up into script calls as a common event (like I have it now), but as a script in the script editor, for better editability and overview. If I just copy in all the script calls (mostly equivalents of "show picture") into a new entry and put that below "Main", it obviously won't work, so there must be something missing, I just don't know what.

Any simple ways of having a "guard ally" type ability? Fudging with the built in substitute system, I was able to make a "Guard party" skill, but not a "guard party" one.

>>156637316
if i'm understanding you right, when you want to create a simpler function call,

like right now, you do three script calls of these
>do_first_thing
>do_second_thing
>do_third_thing

you can create a function with this code in the script editor:
>def do_multiple_things
> do_first_thing
> do_second_thing
> do_third_thing
>end

now you can just call do_multiple_things to do all three things at once

>>156637779
That gives me a NameError for line 1411 of Game_Interpreter, with having the whole

>def do_multiple_things
> do_first_thing
> do_second_thing
> do_third_thing
>end

thing in an editor entry below Main. Should I move it? Include it in Game_Interpreter?

Do you have an A plot and a B in your story?

>>156639708
Elaborate.

>>156639708
Kind of. There's the main characters personal story, and a story of a grander scale that he can influence, but only if he wants to.

>>156640154
Two plots going on at the same time, switching between them as each plot reaches as a high point.

How do I make a battle against a reality warper feel like a battle against a reality warper in HRPG mechanics?

>>156640261
I've planned something like this for a project which never left the planning stage.
The MC was a young man in a kingdom which was occupied by another kingdom for 12 years or something. He wanted his homeland to be free again and joined up with underground rebels.
The plan was to recruit more and more people and amass a force to drive the occupiers away.
But you also would be able to play as a general from the occupying kingdom and try to counter the rebels while also handling politics.
This general is not fighting against the rebels by choice but he has to fight, otherwise he would meet a fate worse than death.
Maybe I should revisit this project one day.

>>156641765
>HRPG
JRPG, I mean.

>>156593227
Oh my god I've been looking for those too. I started to think it was just a figment of my imagination and they're real! I have been trying to look for them but haven't had any luck yet...

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>>156640261
>switching between them as each plot reaches as a high point

>>156642208
Sounds like an interesting story, if handled well. I'd play it.

>>156603340
I noticed it too after posting. I guess this old banged up 5 bucks keyboard is on the verge of death. It worked for quite a while too, since 2009.

>>156484129
Make some enemies able to ignore def, like rogues and other stealthy/quick/dextrous dudes.
Give them induce status effects. Def doesn't works as well as a lot of hp against def ignoring poison.

>>156642608
>Not having a fight against a reality warper in a HRPG
All these different realities, all these different sex positions simply gone just like tears in the rain.

If you want the enemy to warp reality then maybe have the fight jump into parallel worlds where everything is different.

Each and every one of you is a wonderful person.

https://www.indiegala.com/hump
oh hey, one of our games is in a bundle

>>156658075
That's pretty cool, DashBored dev.

>>156658564
Thanks,
btw in case any of you are interested I now
have a trello that will track future updates to
the game.
https://trello.com/b/3QMrvFq0/dashbored-development

You guys should all get trellos, they're good for keeping on schedule

>>156660020
What kind of physical merchandise are you going for?
Depending on what it is and how expensive it is I might buy something.

>>156661036
There's already a few shirts, stickers, etc available, but I was thinking of commissioning
a vinyl figure company

>>156657858
Except for me, who hasn't been working.

now get back to work , me.

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https://youtu.be/olkT-js-TPY

New podcast for you guys! RPG Creator just came out for iOS, so we had our top agent play the hell out of it for some worthwhile analysis.

Try and solve the intro riddle, if you can!

Big thanks to this guy >>156660020
for continuing to be part of the casting crew and make the sweet thumbnails.

>>156664331
Fuck yes a new episode.
Thank you for still making episodes, I really look forward to them.

>>156664331
Listening at 0.5 speed.

100% better

Do you guys enjoy random encounters? If you don't, would you prefer they be replaced with an alternative like symbol encounters or removed entirely in favour of a different grinding system(Such as Riviera's practice system)?

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I need to display a variable number above the gold value in the main menu

Does anyone know how? Using MV btw

>>156666604
>Riviera's practice system
woah, completely forgot about that gem. Guess you just solved my "wanting to do a puzzle-solving-dungeon heavy game without making random battles annoying the crap out of the player who's already dealing with 3 floors of intertwined moving minecarts" for me.

>>156666698
>I need to display a variable number
Oh man, what a long, strange journey it's been since I once asked that question over a year ago.

Best of luck to you, anon.

>>156667848
Do you know how do I even make the game display its value in a show text function?
I'm accepting anything.
The player needs to know.

>>156668113
>Do you know how do I even make the game display its value in a show text function?
That's an easy one. Mouse over the textbox, it gives you a whole slew of options for what you can do. A variable there is an easy \v[n].

It's drawing a variable on screen, outside of a text box, that'll really get you.

>>156668267
Thank you! That'll do for now

But really, having it displayed at the menu would save my life.
I'm looking everywhere and all I find is how to display variables as bars like HP or EXP, not as only simple numbers.
not that displaying bars worked right anyway

>>156666604
It depends.

I don't think random encounters are inherently good or bad, it's more how they're used and balanced. If they're too frequent, battles take too long, or just aren't interesting, they get tedious. If things are balanced well, they can be fine. And if the player has any reason to revisit old areas at a point when the enemies there are no longer a threat, it's nice to have some easy (if not cost-free) way to avoid having to deal with them.

I'd say that symbol encounters are more visually interesting and let the player take a more active role in seeking out or avoiding enemies, while random encounters have the advantage of uncertainty, keeping the player on their toes and encouraging them more to conserve resources (also they're much easier to include). Which one is more appropriate probably depends on your approach to game design.

I think I'd go with symbol encounters for dungeons in puzzle-heavy or linear story-focused games, and random encounters for games where I want more of an older dungeon crawl feel to things. Backtracking because you forgot to push a switch is just annoying when you run into another slime every dozen steps, but on the other hand, safely exploring every inch of a maze because you can just clear out the rooms or dodge everything is pretty dull.

I've never played Riviera, though. How does that work?

Anyone knows a way to change party members formation via an event?

I want leaders to have specific stuff assigned to them and this doesn't seem possible through current means of formation.

>tfw playing a bunch of SaGa games hoping to untangle them into something I could use for my own

i-it counts as research

>>156670259
>Play Elona+ and Yakuza all day
S-surely that counts as research as well

Good night bump

>>156668916
The only encounters in Riviera that are necessary are the forced ones along the story. However, most of these can be difficult if you don't grind, which is why at any point, you can pull up the menu and there'll be a "Practice" option. Using it will let you have a battle with a previous non-boss encounter and you can keep the XP from beating it. If I recall correctly you can't get a game over from it either. Honestly made grinding in the game much more enjoyable since you could do it at your own pace.

Can someone tell me what I'm screwing up here? I just want a skill that will do more damage if the user has a state on them. I'm new at Damage Formula code so I probably just messed up something simple.

if (a.isStateAffected(26)) a.atk * 5); a.atk * 1

Good morning bump.

>>156675980
I believe you are missing a ":" before a.atk*5.

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>>156642680

I used the wayback machine to check the ancient servers of the internet,
all I found for now is a old gif Mack posted back then (dunno if you it could be useful to you ...)

>>156618990
I want to use Quasi ABS, but it's not being developed anymore, so I don't know what to do.

>>156641765
>>156642608
Like fighting Lavos Core?

>>156651121
But what could change between parallel worlds? In SRPGs you could have different terrains and such, but in CTB it probably wouldn't mean much, just changes in battlebacks and maybe sprites (not sure if I could change the interface for quirkyness), but what would be the differences mechanically? Random debuffs?

>>156689195
Maybe. I was thinking about being able to "summon" previously defeated enemies, but it feels a bit like a necromancer/chronomancer skill. It is also very much a "final boss" skill, while this guy is the midboss of the dungeon with the final boss.

Something else I was thinking was massing up your Levels and Classes before the fight and your Equipment during the fight.

bumping again.

I think I found some good formulas to make my damage less swingy, but they look kinda long and wonky.

JavaScript IS safe as long as I use parentheses, right? These things could easily misfire if operation order goes wrong.

>>156641765
Redirect damage to party members
change battle back
If a character is immune or adsorbs an element of damage (Fire ring or something) Give the boss a "dimensional flame" spell that looks like fire but does damage.
switch out party member spells with copies that do other things (Heal debuffs an ally, poison spell removed debuffs on boss)

basically just throw all your previously established mechanics into a blender.

>>156697906
I like this approach, seems like it would make things interestin but prepare for common events.

>>156296860
If I want to add some monologues into the Vocab module, for VX Ace, and want different text depending on different variables, would it be best to just have a lot of case types within one another?

Ded as fuck.

Live

>>156684285
Alright, still no luck. This is what I have now.

if (a.isStateAffected(26): a.atk * 5); a.atk * 1

In testing the skill with and without the user having the state, both times it just does 0 damage. Anyone have an idea as to what I have wrong here?

I managed to get a ton of work done yesterday, but now this one thing has me stopped dead in my tracks.

>>156705501
that is some ugly syntax. you're mixing two different versions of conditional statements

traditional
>if (condition)
>do_true_stuff
>else
>do_false_stuff

ternary
>condition ? do_true_stuff : do_false_stuff

not that i've ever used the formula box, but it should be
>a.isStateAffected(26) ? a.atk * 5 : a.atk

>>156704661
Never

Someone actually made a speedrun of a glitchy demo of mine, lol.

https://youtu.be/K-7kO76Sguo

Full demo this month, hopefully.

>>156711564
just curious, who's doing your current music? or what are you using as placeholder if it is?

>>156711747
This fella!
https://m.soundcloud.com/ultigonio

Hey, anyone pirate/own Smile Game Builder? Is it any good/competitive with RPG Maker?

>>156712916
oh, neat; can i get a link to the battle bgm, btw? for reasons

huh

>>156718831
are you lost? you're in a ded thread

Do MV's calculations carry decimals or simply operate integers?
Does something like:
90 * ((a.atk -b.def) / b.def)

in a case where a.atk =10 and b.def = 9 mean 10 or 0?

>>156722245
decimals

>>156722245
My calculator says 10

I had a strange dream in which I kissed a female astronaut.
Now I need to implement this in my game somehow.

I was bored so I decided to fuck with some of my game's boss themes a bit and make them more intense. I'm thinking of having the more intense versions play on hard mode.

https://soundcloud.com/iwilldevouryourkittens/conqueror
https://soundcloud.com/iwilldevouryourkittens/conqueror-hard-mode

https://soundcloud.com/iwilldevouryourkittens/mirrormind
https://soundcloud.com/iwilldevouryourkittens/mirrormind-hard-mode

thoughts on this idea?

>>156726364
I this idea is interesting, a little more stimulus for people who play on hard mode.
Mirrormind hard mode is really cool, I like it a lot.

>>156727382
Yeah, I'm really proud of that one too. Thanks anon!

>>156726364
gut response is that i don't like it, for the fact that the people who care about aesthetic things are less likely to play on harder difficulties.

>>156727596
That's true I suppose.

>>156727596
It isn't like the hard-mode songs are prettier than the others. They are just different.

>>156726364
Keep it mind that not all players will hear the hard mode music.

>>156729005
They might listen to the soundtrack in youtube if they like the music, though.

>>156729843
This is true. His music is pretty good so I can see that happening.

>>156726364
I haven't seen something like that in recent memory, so I think it would be at least a neat, unique feature of your game.
At the very least, it'll be memorable for fans who listen to the ost/like aesthetics and hardmode.

>>156708381
Holy shit, thank you so much.
I've been cobbling all my Damage Formula code together from scraps I found on forum posts. I couldn't find any good guides for this stuff so my best option was brute forcing this stuff.

So what part of your games have you had to brute force? Either by needlessly long if/than checks or a bunch of common events, what messes are you hiding behind the scene?

Things that aren't pretty, but work.

>>156734204
My clock and monster alarm so far, but I'll probably have to brute force hunger mechanics and a lot of AI effects.

Oddly enough, later game design choice have made the monster alarm useless for everything except boss encounters, so I could have just used a sound effect at this point..

>>156734204
Comparing 8-10 variables to figure out which is higher in eventing.
Giant pyramids of conditional branches.

>try to make damage formula
>gives me positive values on excel
>gives "null" damage in-game
What the fuck.

>>156736710
post it

>>156738281
Its not even that complex

(((a.atk+(base/2))-((b.def*5-(base/10))*0.1))*(base/75))

Replace ''base'' for skill strenght. I am looking for low-ish damage numbers.
For example, if I were to set all values to 30,I get 12 damage on a calculator, but null on the engine.

>>156739276
I never got why people use such complex damage formulas. basic a.atk-b.def stuff works just fine for me.

>>156740350
And how do you handle stronger skills? Add a multiplier to a.atk?
Because thats how you values get bloated, that why we bother with stuff like this.

Post progress

>>156739276
that actually does look complex/bloated/messy
could you explain the reasoning you had behind each piece of the formula?