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Pascale

>>156116857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bITmmewmGaA

Remember to change the [YouTube] Shadowverse Class Overview (embed) with this link next time

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A deal's a deal anon, now you have to put me in your deck.

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>>156116857
>Class Overview: [YouTube] Shadowverse Class Overview (embed)

>>156116857
How is this game compared to hearthstone?

Are there any leader worth buying?

>>156117081
A lot more fun and way more complex even with a fraction of the total card pool.

>>156117081
Less RNG
More balance between classes
Control IS NOT dead
There's decent removal, AOE removal
Made by magic players instead of pizza guy
Going second vs going first is balanced thanks to the evolve mechanic
Evolve mechanic is awesome all around

I play both and I play HS because of inertia, I play SV because I enjoy it.

>>156117081
Game mechanics are better. UI and general art direction is so-so.

I want to test Pascale deck.! 49104

>>156117305
>spectating not allowed
Fuck you.

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Could I get some (You)'s with those hilarious "what the fuck am I reading" images.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11331325/r

Do you guys fap to the card art?

Any place to get HD art of the THICK knight or runecraft cow?

Could Olivia Ramp be a deck? Gain playpoints and evolve aggressively, refill evolve gauge and outvalue opponent?

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Reroll?

Only got seraph as legendary
Atleast I got animated Vania

>Open my packs
>Got Crystalia Tia and Sun Oracle Pascale

Lucky or not? I dont play Rune though

I was hoping to get Dark Angel Olivia or Vampy but....argh

>>156117584
no, you won't get Gab/PoD anymore if you reroll.

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>>156117565
People DON'T fap to the card art?

What is the best deck for bloodcraft? i can't build for shit ;_;

>>156117671
Alright

>>156117529
I want to get who get adventure lost with labrynth devil!

>>156117584
How do you even reroll on a permanent account?

>>156117305
anyone?

>>156117741
Are you bad at card games?
>Yes
Aggro blood
>No
Forest bat blood

>decklist?
Just look it up using the above deck names

>>156117741
Easiest thing to do is just take all the cards with "Forest Bat" in their text and throw them all in a deck together.

>>156117529
>adorable devil gets who gets adventurers like you get lost
lul

She is cute as fuck though.

>>156117658
They both seem playable in an appropriate deck, at first glance.

>>156117893
>>156117905
But i don't want to play as a shitty batman

>>156117926
>Now imagining her trying to be menacing, flubbing the line she prepared and getting embarrassed

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>legendaries were these and seraph

oh okay

As a new player who still doesn't know what deck to go, should I just start opening DE packs or what?

>>156117893
please teach me how to build Aggro blood senpai ;_;

>>156117584
Wow I only have 5 legos including the 2 welfare ones. Fuck you.

>Neptune
>Garuda
>Calamitous Curse x3
>Elf Knight Cynthia x2
>Spirit Cycle x2
>Midnight Haunt

Anything worth it with my free hauls?

>>156118116
Well, at least you can now play Bloodcraft. If you're a new player, you should be working on Standard packs. You can be super patient though and hope some miracle you keep obtaining Standard Pack Missions.

What's the point of Beast Dominator? her effect look shitty as fuck

i can't get past the announcement popup
pressing close button is unresponsive, anyone else have this issue?

>>156118150
Sorry friend I wasn't trying to brag I just wanted advice.

is gbf worth playing

>>156118116
Easy, just go for bloodymary.dek

Most of the pieces for that should be the standard set Bloodcraft golds and bronzes, just work on getting your standard collection

>>156118309
no point

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How can i play as Magisa?
>>156118417
Why not both?

Ok, i want to jump in the train.

What i need to know to start good at this game?

read the reroll thing but i don't want to root my cellphone.

What is the cancerous class in this game the Warrior of this game?

Does arena now drop darkness evolved packs or classic packs?

>>156118417
No

>pulled odin, seraph and alexander
Did i pull the worst leggos?

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>>156118053

>>156118503
Any class that can effectively use PtP.

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>>156118417
yes

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>>156118417
Yes

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>>156117529
One of the rare cases where the evolved art is completely different.

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Second roll, this is what I got. Any good?
Is there a list of good legos and babby's first decks I could use as reference instead of annoying you guys?

>>156118461
>no point
But why?

>>156118664

>jav
>western porn
>hentai manga

Are you fapping RIGHT now?

>>156118664
What the fuck? I thought GBF was a JP game, why is yours in english?

>>play haven
>don't get guardian sun
>lose
>play dragon
>don't get dragon oracle
>lose
>play sword
>have no legends
>lose
>play blood
>do whatever the fuck I want
>doesn't matter what I draw I heal like 7 hp per turn
>win
>play shadow
>do whatever the fuck I want
>drop mordecai/death's breath
>win
Why is blood/shadow the class least fucked by bad draws?

I can't comment on Forest though

>>156118664
Holy shit anon close the porn. And obviusly open more hentai.

Is vengeance saved or is it still shit?

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>>156118842
I translated it myself using Atlas

>>156118665

I found my waifu

>>156118842
It's been on english since april

How many Bloody Marys should I be going for? I drew one so I'm thinking of crafting one more. Might spend the rest of the vials on Seraph for some meme Haven.

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>>156118815
No, i just don't like closing my tabs

>>156118694
Not this anon but def very interested in this answer?

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I want to be lost in Labyrinth devils embrace!

>>156118770
It saw some play in aggro Blood, I think. Assumedly because she has a decently sized body for a turn 5 evolve play. But I don't know, I don't play aggro Blood.

Oh shit, Levi's spell can hit face.
That's pretty amazing.
Earth Rite's biggest weakness was that they didn't have any truly strong evolves, but with Levi and Remi, they have some of the best evolves now.

>>156118664
>ハニーセレクト
My man.

>>156118461
what's the bloody mary deck? Is there a name I should be googling for?

>>156118694
For legendaries aim for these
Forest: Ancient Elf
Sword: Otohime, Aurelia, Tsubaki
Dragon: Forte, maybe Fafnir
Rune: Merlin, possibly Pascal
Shadow: Cerberus
Blood: Bloody Mary
Haven: Moon Al'Miraj

Bear in mind that with the new expansions some other legendaries may see more play so take this just a reference

>>156118815
>not edging before you open packs

you have a better chance of rolling legendaries if you dickroll and climax at the last second, anon

>>156118694
Forte, Queen, and DS are staples for their class. I'm not too sure about Alexander; he's a bit too slow and I doubt Midrange Sword is going to phased out anytime soon.

>>156119401
Lord of the Flies is as important as Cerb now,
Tia is arguably more important than Ancient Elf.

>>156119276
He's pretty much better than Dragon Warrior in every way.

2 (or 3) cost versus 4 cost.

4/4 after evo versus 4/5 after evo.

His spell can hit face while Dragon Warrior can't

His spell gives a spellboost.

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I opened my 10 packs on my main account, opened many shitty golds, there's a way to reroll again these 10 packs or Im stuck with what I got?

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Post those free 10packs!

>>156119276
>>156119883
I've actually been really impressed with Sledgehammer Exorcist too. Costing 3 mana is huge and so is being able to bop 4+ health followers. And it's fine to just drop it turn 3 if you need to

>>156119418
I just want to let you know that you brought me joy with that.

>>156120079
jelly

Does path to purgatory count fairy tokens? I just played a practice match and it didn't seem too

>>156120353
They do, fucking everything counts for shadows when it goes away unless it's banished.

>1 (one) legend in 37 packs

I fucking quit

>>156119939
No, unless you start over again

>playing aggro shadowcraft
>opponent is playing midrange swordcraft
my deck is named aggro, his deck is named midrange, and yet he's the beatdown. Or I feel like he's the beatdown. Am I playing the matchup suboptimally? Or are deck names just a shitshow?

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Seraph is way too stressful.

>>156120949
whoever establishes board control wins, try to get him within burst range before he outfloods you

>>156121067
He had Satan active and he drew Dis Damnation. 6 out of 10 of the cards would have killed me.

Damn, Eramus sound good

Do you always have a mission to do or is it just a new one daily like hearthstone?

Does any of the leader worth buying?

>>156121067
>>156121213
Cool beans.

>>156121306
I pulled him but would've definitely preferred a Merlin, tbqh.

What are good budget decks? I am still sitting on a ton of resource and idk what to do with it really to be most effective. Should I wait for the meta to solidify?

>>156119289
There's no set list yet since the card and the rest of the expansion just came out, but generally you should be looking for the staple control Bloodcraft cards. Try to find a control blood list and aim for that.

>>156121424
>>156121306
Samefag?

>>156121586
Yeah?

How hard is it to get a top deck without investing money? I just realized you can have repeat legendaries in a deck, that could make things pretty expensive.

Say, does arena give out Darkness Evolved packs or Standard packs still?

>>156121832
Much easier than in hearthstone.The legendary rates are way higher than in HS. Also, the card pool is currently much smaller.

>>156121832
The game throws a ton of packs at you early, so it's not hard at all to make your first deck if you don't mind liquefying cards.

>>156118601
Odin is probably playable since he exiles a follower or amulet. Pretty useful against Seraph or annoying Mordecais

>>156122087
Hm? Where?

>>156118116
Charon is hot

>>156121832
in pre-darkness evolved meta, forest/rune/shadow all only really required 3 legendaries (i.e. 3of the same legendary) and a handful of epics. So if you rerolled for 2 cerberus / 2 ancient elf / 2 merlin, which is entirely reasonable, you'd be 7500-9000 vials away from crafting the third copy of the legendary and whatever epics you happen to need. That many vials come fast, especially if you start dusting cards.
nowadays the optimal versions of those decks might end up requiring beelzebub or pascale or whatever, so who knows

KOGA KUNOICHI IS MAI WAIFU!

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Just starting out, rerolled twice already, anything good here?

>>156123190
Seriously where I can get bigger pics?

I want to fap to those tits

>tfw you draw astaroth's blessing and lethal the opponent with the lone snowman on your board

I learned even if your score goes down by losing in rank mode, it doesn't decrease for score reward calculation.

>>156123242
I would keep it.

>>156123309
Yes, it's a cumulative reward.

>>156123370
How reliably can I use any of these cards in decks that feature titty monsters

>>156123242
Ancient elf and Moon are staples, Gabriel is great for Sword, Princess is for Rose queen combo memes. Not sure about Dragonflute; I've played against a couple and my opponents never seem to play more than 1 hellfire dragon for whatever reason.

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This is all the legendary i has, should i reroll? ;_;

>turns 1-6 throw my hand at their board
>turn 7 satan
>turn 8 astaroth's for 19, swing with satan
wew lad

>>156123530
Could easily do better.

>>156123661

What do you mean?

>>156123752
I'm better than you.

>>156123530
Don't reroll, you'll lose your Satan and Gabriel forever.

>>156123793
Fuck off unhelpful faggot

>>156123882
Cry me a river, hearthstone shitter.

>>156123854
Nah, they are still giving them until the end of the month.

Just answer the goddam question, should i reroll or not?

>>156124016
Could easily do better.

Post your 5 win arena boss music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

>>156124016
I would, what deck do you want to play anon?

>>156118417
I used to play it.
Waay too much grind, it is really time consuming.
And if you like the pretty pictures just buy the artbooks.

>>156123530
>>156124016
imo rerolling is for lames, unless you set up a script to do it en masse your time is way more valuable than that and you should just support the devs
but if you want a heuristic-based response, that set of legendaries (besides the welfares) has only lucifer as a confirmed playable legendary and only lord of the flies as being on the watchlist for "maybe playable, we'll see how it goes"
p sure a "good reroll" has at least 3 confirmed playable legendaries, maybe 2 if you have some of the maybelist legendaries like olivia (see that other guy a few posts above you that was suggested to keep)

Anyone tried Deathly Tyrant with the new shadow card?

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JUST

What is the meme deck of Shadowverse?

>>156124350
i might, trying to decide if I want to make a forest bat deck or get the new amulet for shadow.

>>156124630
Tyrant shadow
PTP anything that isnt forest or rune

>>156124630
Any Havencraft deck because

>Havencraft
>Winning

>>156125131
Havencraft's solid in arena though.

>>156125131
Haven is fine if you have brain

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>>156124891
Wew, tripling down paid off.

Holy shit I'm loving these new decks. I just got wrecked by a heal bishop. Seems super fun to play, I'm going to be building my own.

After reaching A0 I can't win my dailies anymore. Maybe I should just quit.

People often say that Havencraft is bad in arena

But why do I feel otherwise? When I see a Haven in arena, i just know that its probably going to suck either way

>>156125131
Speaking of Haven, has anyone made a full on BURD deck?

Pinion Prayer
Beastcall Aria
Godsteel Wings
Divine Birdsong
Garuda

Sounds like a lot of fun

>>156125384
Exactly what I've been thinking about.

Maybe someone needs to bitch a whole lot on the official forums about not being able to fall in rank so those Japs might do something about it.

god i hate arena so much

can I just burn all five of my tickets by quitting immediately

>>156125384
Keep trying or play unranked where people are less likely to play their tryhard decks.>>156125641

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This is kinda tough.

>>156125692
cmon anon
you see otohime, you pick otohime

>>156125692
No it's not

>>156125641
Don't know how the fuck that reply got in my last post. Yes, you can do that.

>>156125692
Olivia is a godsend in arena

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Is the loli OP in arena? I just started playing today

>>156125672
But it is for ranked.

>>156125692
How is this even a choice? Right has better girls.

>Pull animated Pascale
>Don't have a single other gold or legend rune card
Want to dust it bad but my dick says otherwise

>>156125925
Don't know what to say man. I lose more than half of my games doing dailies. Shift some stuff around in your deck to improve match ups. Just keep playing and learning.

>>156126032
I haven't won a single game in two days after hours of going at it. Sword just doesn't cut it anymore and every other deck I have is trash.

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>>156125846
She's high tier, yeah.

>>156126252
If it's that bad, just reroll.

>>156126553
Yeah, guess I will. And this time I'm going to stay right around D

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Keep this or reroll?

>>156125131
I feel like heal Haven could be pretty viable.

WHY DO THEY KEEP GOING FOR FACE

WHY ARE NIPS SO BAD AT THIS GAME

>>156126890
How many basic packs do you start with now?

>>156125846
the best classes for arena are loli and maid.

Is Bloodcraft bat deck any good?

>>156126890
How come literally everyone gets prince of darkness.

>>156127185
>tfw just got a 5 win against almost entirely dragoncucks as swordmeido.
Yeah my deck was overpowered bullshit with double otomeme, double gilgamesh to trade and push face and a kaguya but it felt so fucking good.

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Should I switch over to darkness packs now? Would have liked a merlin but I can just craft her later.

STOP RIGHT /svg/

I need a decent current fairy list, can someone give me some general guidelines for the deck?

>>156127243
>>156127564

Expansion JUST hit

>>156127292
Because it's a free card for downloading the game along with Gabriel?

>>156127552
i'm planning to pump everything into classic until the homecoming nerf passes, honestly
feels logical to me to make the switch over to darkness packs based on an in-game change, however insubstantial, rather than a vague "good enough" point

Or, in other words, it feels silly to be buying darkness packs while the homecoming nerf is still live, unless I really want a specific chase rare (I don't)

>>156126938

nips on yamanote line accidentally misclicking when train ramps over another body

>>156127692
But I assume there is still some core and people here currently experimenting with Fairies in the new expansion/tips they can give?

>nonstop losing to PtP forest with its new draw card effects

>>156127867
The biggest fairy deck got basically nothing in terms of cards so they're completely in the air right now.

>>156127867
>play 3 elf girl liza
that's all i got

>Play 10 games
>Bloody Mary never appears once in my deck

>Start 2nd against sword
>I don't get my 1 drop, he does
>I don't get my 4 drop, he gets FF

JUST

What is the fastest and cheapest deck?

How many satans to put in my deck?

>>156118665
I'd "liquefied" her to "create" another "card" if you know what I mean :^)

>>156128403
control blood

>>156128408
4

>>156128403
Aggro Shadow

>Draft 3 of the new swordcraft 4/4 thinking he's Sage Commander/Wind God Lite
>realize he only buffs officers the first time a play him

Shadows draw engine gets delayed for each ghost from phantom howl. It's pretty damn impressive. Mary + contract feels pretty good too.

I'm trying Batcraft with Vampy and the pillar thingy.
It's.... so-so. I can't draw the proper cards to save my life.

>>156128408
2?

Here's a Dragon Flute Polyphonic deck I'm playing around with.

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deckbuilder/create/4?hash=1.4.5_394.5_394.5_394.61NLI.61NLI.61NLI.65BUS.65BUS.65BUS.62sac.62sac.62sac.5_38w.5_38w.5_38w.62vkA.62vkA.62vkA.61O4K.62sZM.62sZM.62sZM.62u_c.62u_c.66oGQ.66oGQ.61PnY.61PnY.61PnY.65BUc.66j8S.66j8S.66hRE.66hRE.62xRs.62xRs.65GMo.65GMo.66lqK.66lqK

Seems decent when testing, but has trouble with sword, hence the Humpty Dumpty. I had 3 Polyphonics and 2 Dragon Warriors in there at the start, but Siegfried just seemed to put in more work, and I too often had multiple Polyphonics.

>>156128403
Probably Swordcraft with stuff that spawns more than one creature and things that buff creatures.
>>156128408
I think 2 is probably best since it cuts down on drawing 0 satans and you won't have the possibility of getting super fucked over with 3 satans in your hand.

>>156128913
I fully expect it to replace Widows in Aggro Shadow.

>>156124350
>Tyrant
As somebody who had a Tyrant deck before the expansion and opened 3 Haunts, it's still janky.

Replacing all the shadow generating focused cards with 3 Haunts while letting your deck not be gimmicky focused crap means you're entirely reliant on your draw luck to have all pieces of the combo.

Running 3 Midnight Haunts plus 3 Tyrants and trying a few games in ranked while the combo was usually successful if it was pulled off, you're screwed if you can't draw one or the other and have a crowded hand if you draw multiples of one of them.

There's also the part where you need ethereal form for taunts. Even if Tyrant hits the board at 13/13, it's meaningless if there's a taunt you can't deal with. He's removal bait otherwise and every class has tools to get rid of one huge follower.

If you do try running a Tyrant deck, you need a lot of draw. I had soul conversions, skullwidows, and bellringers, but even that wasn't enough sometimes.

There's also the trickiness of play. Once while stalling for a Haunt while I had Tyrants in hand, I ended up focusing on clearing enemy board too much before realizing I could have lethaled with a Phantom Howl if I played 2 points of damage differently.

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New rune legend owns

https://twitter.com/03Legion/status/781697852162527232

>>156129737
dick list PLZ

So has anyone had any success with Seraph? After 33 packs I only opened 3 leggos, 2 bloody marys and the seraph.

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>>156129889
Its not a finished product.

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Rip

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>>156129889
Part 2

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>average ptp player
>evolve forte and ram into his face
>he clears the rest of my board except for forte
>plays a fairy
>evolves it
>pauses for several seconds
>your opponent has disconnected

>>156130605
>Forte will never ride you

Got Crystalia Tia, Dragonsong Flute, Odin and Dark Angel Olivia.
Seems like a nice haul for ten packs.

>>156130605
I love the feeling of ruining a PtP player's day. gj anon!

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>>156129794
Fair and balanced.

Anyone having luck with a bat aggro deck?
Trying so far, but it's rather miserable partly due to my absolutely abysmal draw luck.

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>>156131871

>listening to this while doing dailies
https://youtu.be/QzRlsVqao5s

fantastic

>>156132149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjb4XyTErs

Man, Humpty Dumpty is so good.

>>156131871
i've lost three games to bat aggro since the patch dropped, all when going second, but also i'm retarded
just mull better :^)

what the fug didn't know this had it's own thread

Anyone having luck with Seraph decks? I got an animated one out of my 10 packs. I'm thinking of crafting another and going with the same shell as Satan but with more draw, maybe 6 countdown removers? and the only actual countdowns as Sacred Plea and Seraph to guarantee pulling it from Prism Priest.

>>156132510
I just lost to one. I got to say the animation is quite pretty.

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I don't blame him. Poor bastard just wanted to go face.

>>156132445
These threads started just two days ago.

>>156132510
http://game-ai.jp/shadowverse/seraph-lapis-bishop/

Hahaha I just had a shadow evolve Ceridwen when all his minions have been banished. The pause was priceless.

>>156132639
Honestly, I think Aurelia is a stronger Sword legendary than Otohime as much as people complain about the latter.

You can deal with Otohime by keeping a wide board, which is a good play normally because it helps you deal with most of Sword's shenanigans since they have 0 AoE and weak token followers but then Aurelia punishes you for doing basically what you were supposed to do in the first place.

Grinding out of B2 right now and all I see are Earthrite Rune players.

Vampiric Fortress turned out to be really underwhleming. Vampy on the other hand is pretty great.

>started yesterday
>kinda want to get more base set cards before buying the new set
>but definitely want more Surefire Bullets
I'm so torn.

So what's the verdict on Bloody Mary? I've seen a bunch of bloods play her but she seems kinda shit honestly.

>>156133048
Just get the basic set, I'm not even sure what's worth getting from Darkness Evolved right now, and there's for sure way more good standard cards than there are DE.

>>156133101
Mary is the single best card in the game right now.

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Hot diggity, this card is powerful.
Almost guaranteed heal every turn because no opponent with a heart could possibly bring themselves to kill her.

>>156133101
I think people are trying too hard to wombo off her with things like Soul Dealer when she should be used to put in some damage with razor and blood wolf to set up lethal via temptress.

>>156133162
Really? She always seems to do too little too late from what I've been playing against. They usually drop her and like 2 or 3 other cards to deal like 8 damage but by then I'm already winning and they've basically spent their whole turn doing nothing to my board.

>>156133237
She's pretty adorable, along with the likes of Bellringer Angel. I wanna make a Havencraft deck with both of them in it and Seraph as the wincon

>>156133162
Anyone got a good decklist with her?

I just realized you can theoretically get infinite evolve points with 2x Rose Gardeners (or any follower that can bounce one of your own followers), and Olivia.

>>156133237
I got an animated one of her. Still no animated Bellringers or Goblinmounts.

>>156133370
That's exactly what people have been doing to me, it just seems to come way too late at turn 7 to have any meaning. Maybe it's just because I'm playing shadow and can push out more damage faster with Cerberus and Phantom Howling, but eh.

During the loading screens, the text often does this brief glitching thing. Is this shitty coding or an intended feature?

>>156133237
CUTE
Top daughteru would headpat and spoil

Finally managed to beat someone using
Bloody Mary > Dire > Razory Claw combo
Feelsgoodman, 11 face damage

>>156133854
Careful, you'll hurt yourself.

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I'm tempted to spend gold so that I don't have to watch Urias anymore.

>>156134160
But Urias is cool. I like him better than Isabelle or Eris.

>>156134076
Can I touch fluffy tail instead?

>>156134160
>when you beat urias you gain access to his harem of semendemons
>this is how balthazar died

Has anyone tried Reina yet? Got one but haven't played it yet

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>>156134160
Made me think of this immediately

Help me out.

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>>156134160
Whilst vampy is god-tier urias is honestly one of the most likeable of the cast. For a vampire who commands an army of sadistic semen demons hes pretty fucking chill

>>156134897
You can't be serious.

>>156134897
Don't fall for the soul dealer + mary meme. Azazel is a bit iffy since most of the time, both you and your opponent aren't too far off from 10 hp at turn 8 anyway.

So I want to play Dragons mostly, but I got Crystalia and Seraph from my packs (and Dragomancer's rites as relevant I guess). Should I be happy with that haul or try and reroll? Only other noteworthy card is White Paladin.

What is it about priests and clergy that makes me want to punch them in the face?

I get that feeling whether I am playing against Haven here or against Priest in HS

>>156135051
I was. Just some janky deck i used at the time, I dont follow tierlists or decks, never have, never will (im not a retard who hates netdecks i just dont do it myself)
>>156135109
It wasnt for that, more for turn 7 burst of 6 thanks to laura or desperation ward when Im low anyway.

Do you guys generally spend your rupees on packs or arena?

>>156135227
YOUR EVIL DEEDS END NOW

>>156135227
They don't do anything except remove your shit until they get out their slow as fuck win condition.

>>156132510
I ahve to say that only 6 countdown removes sounds like a little. Since you generally want to sry and drop Seraph on 9 and then end the game on next turn. At least what the cards looks like to me (mecause you don't need strong countdown removal, you just need 3 1 removers ideally)

>>156135463
>slow as fuck win condition
I tend to find that games end fairly quickly once Stan the Man is on the field. Control decks are definitely less frustrating and tedious to play against in this game than HS or Magic.

>>156135374
Packs because I'm lazy.

>>156135109
Ive had a few times when Im forced to control so ibe always like to keep a one off in case, though il bear it in mind.
Any other suggestions?

Eloise is stream again.

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Got about 10k vial and I only pulled 2 Tias and the Dragon/Haven amulet legends. What would be most useful to craft?

- 2 more Cerberus to finish my set + random golds (have 2 Mord already but not a playset of Death's Breath. also 2 Tyrants)
- 2 Ancient Elf + 1 Tia to make a combo Forest deck (also have a Rose Queen and F. Princess, the PtP deck cards, 2 Selwyn)
- Bloody Marys since I have 2 Queen Vamps, 2 Beast Doms and literally every good Bloodcraft gold (including 2 Azazel from DE)
I have made DimShift and PtP Forest before, as well as Control Haven/Blood and Aggro Shadow/Blood. If ranked isn't an issue I think I like playing Bloodcraft the most, but I've only teched in 2 DE cards at most into my aggro build (and haven't modified my control deck yet).
A Bat-centric deck looks fun as heck though

>>156136010
That slut streams this game too?

What a fucking whore, crying for sexual attention all the time.

>>156136067
Why is a kid wearing such lewd underwear?

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>>156136165
I dunno

>>156135371
That's fine and all but this deck is all over the place. You're trying to do everything and in the end you do nothing.

>>156119671
>Lord of the Flies is as important as Cerb now
>slow 7th drop is important in shadow
Wew

>>156136067
Cerberus has a huge impact on Shadow decks, I don't know what the verdict on Bloody Mary is so I don't know how many you'll want. I definitely like the look of a Midrange-ish Combo forest, but I don't know how well it'll work out.

So in the end probably Cerberus if you wanted a surefire deck improvement.

>>156136236
Right, I was hoping for aggro butthen realized i just get destroyed by any control so i put a fewlategame cards, then realized i had no aoe and so on and so forth. I guess ideally I just want a midrange deck and am too generalist a deckbuilder to focus on making the deck have a specific role/strategy.

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Did 3 arena runs and only received standard pack tickets so far. Has it been the same for everyone else?

Also looks like they weighted the draft so that the new cards are much morel likely to appear. Best Girl still seems pretty good regardless.

>>156136318
don't forget it's a slow 7 drop with a chance to do fucking nothing depending on what you need at the time.

nevermind being important, I'm not even sure if it's worth running right now.

>>156136546
While the RNG makes it hard to play him, it's hard to call him slow when all his summons have an immediate effect.

I definitely wouldn't say he's as valuable as Cerb though.

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Would you let her end your misery?

Jesus leapdroid just can't into the vampire dudes arena in story mode. At least I have my junk iphone for that

>>156136934
What do you mean?

>>156136720
No, it slow. Its 7 mana, and you cant play his token on the same turn with him.

So whats the deal with deck building, can you only select cards based on what type you select? So a shadowcraft deck for instance can only have shadow and neutral cards?

>>156136972
I mean it crashes whenever It tries to load that one field with a coffin.

>>156136993
He summons his first token as a fanfare.

>>156136993
Ooops, im retard. Thought it gives you token card like cerb.

>>156136720
The reason I say he's slow is because the drain+storm is really low impact in most cases and the ward may or may be useful, but I'd rather just put good wards or good heals in my deck if I really wanted those because things like that which are often critical to keeping yourself alive are better not left to chance.

The value in Flies is that he's a value engine that keeps pumping out minions every turn, which is great, except that it's slow, and we already have Mordecai as a value engine who's a million times harder to remove. I just don't see the point to Flies.

>>156137070
Yes.
Like hearthstone each class deck can only have neutrals and its classes cards.
>>156136789
Id stay in her miserable labyrinth just so i could love her.

Since I find out just recently that the devs of SV are actually pro MtG players, makes me wonder which classes are which colors

Dragon has obvious green elements though while Haven has obvious white elements and Blood, Red, not sure about beyond that though

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>>156136419
Just accept that you can't beat everything and take the loss

also what other DE cards would be worth running?

>>156137070
Yes, same class system as Hearthstone but with 40 deck size and 3 card limits (including legendaries).

>>156137214
>Dragon
>green
But the best dragon heavy decks are red.

>>156137214
They've also played considerable amounts of Hearthstone considering all the base gameplay similarities.

>>156116857
Y'all got me with Selesnya Control and Thick Soft Magic Bags.

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Is pupper any good?

>>156137347
Still, only Dragon gets alot of ramp mechanics on top of encouraging you to ramp up with Overflow

>>156137214
This may be a stretch, but I think there may be some swampy elements to the Necromancer class.

how do you deal with dimensional shift
they just turtle super hard until summon evolve DS x 2 its over

>>156137473
kill them fast by flooding board faster than they can remove your shit

>>156137214
Actually shadow looks like white. Same sticky cheap minions with tokens and buffs.

Maybe it's just me having hardly any cards yet, but I just can't figure out how to build a decent Forest deck. I either run out of cards/fairies super fast and all the cards that need those 2 or more card enablers sit dead in my hand or I keep faires in hand to keep being able to enable those and then I'm losing the board in the early game so hard that it's impossible to come back from.

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Is there any way to see the other Seraph cards in the menu? Also how's this build?

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How are the devs regarding card changes?

The reason I'm asking is because I left Duelyst and Hearthstone thanks to the fact that the developers think it's okay to nerf cards. Does Shadowverse implement a banlist or anything like that or are they going to pull the same bullshit and just delete cards from the game entirely like the devs of the other two games?

Also have they announced any Standard equivalent? I assume they'll do it eventually, but have they yet?

>>156137891
I dunno about card changes and all

What I can tell you is that, there only has been one expansion out so far and thats just like hours ago. Why would you think they would have a standard equivalent?

>>156137825
Tap on the "summon x" text on the card

>>156137823
Forest is the kind of class that requires you to have certain cards for the decks to function properly.

>>156137389
>2/2 for 2
>extra effect
yes

>>156135467
After playing a few games, I'm inclined to agree, so I've added two more and took out what I used to have there (Curators, way too slow and mostly pointless.)

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Here's the deck I'm using. I'm using big/annoying wards and tons of card draw with some healing to protect myself and draw through the deck until I hit Seraph and combo on 9. Prism Priestess tutors Seraph fairly reliably since I'm mulliganing for Sacred pleas, but even if it doesn't, the amount of card draw in the deck has put Seraph in my hand consistently by turn 8 in the 5 or 6 games I've tried so far.

Rather than running stuff like Death Sentence, I'm thinking it's better to run big/difficult to remove followers since evolution points basically have nothing to do with my win condition and throwing down evolved Clerics/Goblinmounts followed by Themis shuts down aggression really hard. This lets me tutor out Seraph more easily from Prism Priest instead of getting other stuff to guarantee having it by 8.

As a bonus, it also disguises my deck since it looks so much like a Satan deck that it could bait out Petrification from Rune decks, since I don't think PtP Rune or DS can reliably beat Seraph without having a way to remove it.

What do you guys think?

>>156137825
I don't think Jeanne is a good fit in the deck, personally. Without Guardian Sun, she's just too low impact and 8 is when you want to be slamming down Seraph anyway.

>>156137891
They've raised the mana cost of two cards because they were "problematic"

>>156137825
Consider Bestial Aria, I think it's one of the stronger Haven cards to come out.

>>156137891
There has been a few nerfs to some cards but they usually increase the selling price of that card at the same time so you can get your crafting currency back

>>156137891
>REEEEE DONT NERF MY CARDS
>I JUST WANT FREE WINS WITH BROKEN SHIT!!!

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Cracked opened my free packs, how did I do?

>>156137891
They do nerf cards but they don't wait 6 months to do it.

>>156138150
Not the best
For some reason I've got 4+ Rogues creed myself
kill me

>>156138150
Lord is shit.

>>156138150
Eh, pretty average. At least the legendary you got is good.

Wait is the Medusa effect the same as bane?
I always thought she only killed the enemy before the enemy could counter-attack if she was strong enough to one-shot it

>>156138150
1 legendary and 5 golds is roughly average for 10 packs.

>>156138283
No, it automatically destroys anything you target without hurting your own follower. But it doesn't work on the enemy's turn.

So you can slap it on a 1/1 and delete the 13/13.

>>156138287
it's 6 if you count the double creed, but yeah pretty average.

Anyone know if you can you pick what Lord summons? Or is it random

>>156138379
It's random.

Statistically he's a solid card but playing something unavoidably RNG-based at 7 mana, when most other classes will probably be getting close to their win conditions seems really sketchy.

>>156138379
It's random, hence why it's shit.

If you could pick, then it'd be amazing.

I wouldn't turn it into vial in case someone figures out some super slow value based control shadow deck, but as of right now, I don't see any point to it.

>>156138050
>>156138083
Well, guess this game isn't for me then.

It's not about the crafting cost; it's about the fact that nerfing a card is the same thing as deleting it from the game and putting a new card in its place. I'm not going to support devs who think it's okay to just make cards that were in the game not exist anymore.

>>156137825
Your deck is extremely tilted towards clearing lots of small minions, but crap at single targeting single big ones. Ideally you'd want to be able to stall out turns 9+ after Seraph with lots of hard removal since the Seraph prompts your opponent into overdrive.

Your strongest removals are the Themis's and Death Sentences, but it's hard to insure those aren't used up by turn 8 or even that you draw them.

You also have no real wincon if you don't draw Seraph which is extremely likely if it's a one of. Your prism priests can potentially pull 8 other amulets so they're not useful for this purpose.

Frankly speaking, it could use a lot of work.

Wew. Japs doesnt have forta's in new heavy dragon lits, only in face.

Do you like bat deck so far with the new support?

>>156138529
Could you repeat that in English?

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>>156138520
I dont know what youre doing playing digital ccg's because correcting former mistakes in design is the entire point of going digital in the first place, they will always nerf broken cards, because theyd rather want the card to be useable in every format.

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>>156138802
That's bullshit logic. Because it's digital they should use a strictly inferior solution to a banlist?

There is absolutely no advantage to nerfing over just rotating out the problem card from standard and releasing a replacement for it in its place. That way the old card doesn't have to be completely deleted and it also doesn't fuck up balance.

The "advantage of going digital" is not to be able to correct mistakes. Those mistakes shouldn't happen in the first place. At any given time in Standard in MtG, there are more cards than in all of Hearthstone and Shadowverse combined, and yet they still haven't had to ban a card in standard for over half a decade. Why should there by mistakes in the first place? Why does being digital mean that the solution to those mistakes needs to be strictly inferior to a banlist?

>>156138503
I'm going to avoid drawing strong conclusions because 7 mana is a quite rare mana cost so far, he might end up hitting some crucial timing or something because of it.

That said, it feels like the expansion follows the tradition of giving Shadow mediocre legendaries and extremely powerful golds.

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Man, beating this stupid AI took way more tries than I care to admit. His deck was so much more consistent than mine. The final boss was so much easier (though it helped that I was able to cast Altered Fate for 8 cards in that game).

>>156139031
They are using banlists for the arena mode.

>>156139031
>Standard
>ignoring Modern and Legacy's banlist

>midrange shadow now costs 31k
Im in elite 30k+ club, yey!

>>156138527
Thanks for the feedback. I took out some AOE removal and put in some banishes and a Satan for another win condition until I can get another Seraph, would that be enough?

>>156139126
But as mentioned earlier, they're changing cards. Cards should not be changed after they're printed, period.

>>156139152
>Modern and Legacy
I'm ignoring them because they're not relevant to this discussion. The Modern and Legacy banlists are not the result of design mistakes; they're the result of the fact that the developers (intentionally and for very good reason) ignore those formats in the design phase.

Otherwise plenty of cards that are perfectly fair in Standard but broken in Modern (Thought-Knot Seer) could never be printed. Again, those are not mistakes. You ought to learn some reading comprehension skills for next time.

>>156139031
>you can't nerf a card because that's like deleting it even if it still sees play
>you should ban a card so that it for all intents and purposes doesn't exist in any serious format

What did he mean be this?

>>156139359
>Cards should not be changed after they're printed, period.
Anon... the cards are not printed. They're just bits and bytes on your phone.

>>156139031
You're comparing Wizards of the Coast, an american multi national millonaire business with several years of experience and hundreds of playtesters and departments in charge of overseeing that unbalanced shit doesn't see the light of day by mistake... to a small japanese business made by players that is barely starting out and doesn't even have released a pc english port.

They WILL fuck up, and more than one time, so using the means they have at hand to preserve balance is not bullshit, it's the minimal they can do.

>>156139031
Standard formats in multiple games are able to go without banlists for the specific reason that they shift out cards regularly so no problematic card ever dominates the meta too long. That's one of the points of standards so that they don't have to errata and ban dozens of broken interactions across cards years a part in age. There are still dozens of outcries about broken cards in standard, but there's far less pressure and people constantly bitching since the cards will go away eventually guaranteed.

It has nothing to do with perfect design which is pretty much impossible.

>>156139031
Because were human, you will never get perfect design.

Magic has made countless fuckups over its lifetime the difference is they learn from that usually. Blizzard doesnt in the slightest.

Besides as this guy said
>>156139489

This is a relatively small company compared to wotc. Besides ease of use and accessability The ability to correct mistakes is the very reason digital ccgs are in demand.

So how many times did you reroll before you actually played past the tutorial, /svg/

>>156138345
I always evolved my Medusa since I thought it was based on her damage
Now I can save those evolves atleast

>>156139682
You usually need to evolve her anyway because there's no way she's going to survive a turn as a 7 PP 5/4.

Her effect only works on your turn, she's going to get removed instantly if you don't evolve her. Heck, she already gets removed right after even when you do evolve her.

I wanna check out this spectate feature. Someone make a room and play with someone else.

>>156139031
magic's standard rotation is balanced by the heavy reliance on reprints and psuedo-reprints and the fact that the need for lands serves as a balancing factor, forcing the game to slow down based on availability of resources. The curveout potential in most digital games with automated resource gain means that the power level of individual cards has much more impact as the chance to play them at the most optimal time is much higher since A) you'll always have a chance to play it on curve and B) you'll have less 'dead draws' due to smaller deck sizes and not being forced to balance the primary resource as part of your deck

>>156139031
nigga you dum
nerfing a card doesn't mean it'll become useless. just not as OP as it was before

>>156139682
>>156139730
This is why if Im going to use medusa and righteous bring laura .

>>156139359
Anon, standard was invented so that games didn't need to deal with constantly changing banlists.

In fact, Standard essentially is just a simplified banlist. "Everything not standard".

It didn't exist when MtG first came out. There were broken cards in its outset, across its life, and even now. They don't change actual cards because it's an actual physical card game and it's a limitation they've always specifically struggled with.

One of the main benefits of digital cards games that are touted is the ability for the developers to directly address cards after release.

>>156139786
So basically what you're saying is that digital CCGs are designed worse, correct?

In that case, you should agree with me. Digital CCGs should add lands and then stop changing cards.

>>156139815
No, you're dumb.

Nerfing a card is the same thing as deleting it from the game entirely. It will have the same name and the same art but otherwise be a different card, and the old card will cease to exist.

>>156139968
>and the old card will cease to exist.
Cards in a digital CCG are not static objects. They can be changed at will.

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>>156139968
>Nerfing a card is the same thing as deleting it from the game entirely

How does it feel to have autism anon?

>>156139968
>I want every game to be magic
>tries to reinforce it by posting magics biggest flaw in design to date
>no youre dumb

Ok its clear now, fuck off shitposter.

https://twitter.com/slimetoon/status/781678944068042752
What the fuck
Pamela is broken?

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>>156139875
>They don't change actual cards because it's an actual physical card game and it's a limitation they've always specifically struggled with.
Yes, and they don't change cards because it's fucking stupid that just because something is unfair in a competitive environment no one should be allowed to play with it ever.

The Psychatog/Upheaval and Wild Mongrel/Basking Rootwallla standards were bullshit. However, can you imagine Wizards did what is being done with Hearthstone right now? Can you imagine if they came and ripped up all your Psychatogs and Wild Mongrels and just replaced them with a new card?

Don't consider the financial aspect because that's not relevant. Consider the fact that today, more than a decade from those standards, you would not be able to play Wild Mongrel/Basking Rootwalla in casual or Legacy. In Legacy that deck far below the power curve and in casual play it can be fun, but if Wizards had done what you claim only could not be done because of the limitations of physicality, you wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

That's why I'm opposed to card changes. They are anti-consumer, and more importantly, anti-fun. It is the same thing as if Wizards had ripped up all your Wild Mongrels and said they aren't allowed to exist anymore even in environments where they're perfectly fair. It's absolute bullshit that you people are wanting something that is so absolutely terrible.

>>156139968
You have a very specific and autistic description of card that is vastly different from most people.

As far as I can tell you define a card specifically by its numbers.

Not flavor, art, purpose, or the culmination.

Just the numbers.

If a specific combination of numbers doesn't exist anymore, then to you the card itself doesn't exist.

Is this right?

Anon, you might actually have legitimate autism.

>>156140107
What part of what I said is wrong? Please tell me.

Are you saying that the defining aspect of a card is the art and name? If I completely changed everything else about it it's the same card?

Tell me how it is to be retarded, anon, because you have to be.

why do you guys keep feeding him, its clear nothing said will persuade him. noone is going to persuade the other of anything.

hell i don't even know why he's lingering around either, this game is not going to change it's direction due to his conflicting views.

>>156140231
No anon, you might be retarded because you can't read.

EVERY aspect of a card is a part of that card. If you change ANY part of a card, it becomes a different card.

If you change the numbers, it's a different card.

If you change the rules text, it's a different card.

If you change the name, it's a different card.

Do you get the picture now? If you change a card, it becomes a different card. It is clearly not the same card if you change any part of it.

Apparently though the ability to recognize basic facts of reality means I'm autistic. Or are you actually this retarded that you think that a card that has been changed is the same card?

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>>156139968
no I'm saying that you're not considering the complexity costs.

The flipside of that argument is digital card games are designed better because they make it easier for folks to pick up the game by removing physical complexity and smooth-lining the need to balance the primary resource as part of the deck, thus reducing the chances of a player being completely locked out of the game from the getgo by reducing the chances of drawing dead cards and removing the losses due to resource flood/starve entirely.

Magic 'deletes' cards all the time by printing functionally better/worse version of cards and using the banlist to modify appropriately i.e. replacing oblivion ring with banishing light to fix the trigger abuse. The problem is that the fact they can't ACTUALLY remove the card, which results in a large amount of unplayable chaff cards in addition to cards that need to be outright banned. Altering a card rather than a ban and replace helps to manage the inevitable clutter caused over time.

>>156140471
That is another extremely autistic viewpoint, but more wide in its application.

Anon, are you the same human you were one second ago?

Change does not completely destroy entities.

>>156140505
You're conflating the fact that digital CCGs have the option of changing cards with the idea that doing so is better. I submit that it's not better. I LIKE the fact that both Banishing Light and Oblivion Ring exist. I like that the "fixed" version can be in Standard while the old version still exists for eternal and casual formats.

There is nothing wrong with some, even lots, of cards being unplayable. Every card shouldn't have to be good. Standard inherently deal with the clutter issue anyway as it will never exceed more than two year's worth of cards.

The "advantage" of a digital CCG is irrelevant when standard exists and is also anti-consumer and anti-fun.

>>156140584
I think you might be actually retarded. I don't know why you insist on denying basic fact of reality. What are you going to do next, call people autistic for insisting that the sky is blue and the grass green? Am I autistic for believing those things too?

If something changes, it is by definition not the same thing. Would you like you debate that claim?

>>156139489
>small japanese business
>CyGames
I mean, its no Sony, but its not small.

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>>156140584
According to you, the Buddha was autistic.

>>156140808
standard is anti-consumer because in order to maintain that standard one has to continually spend money to replace their cards, to say nothing about limited.

It's anti-fun because my cards have an expiration date for standard play, the single most supported tournament format outside of limited.

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>>156139489
>it's okay for small businesses to be incompetent
Are you even listening to yourself right now?

Where do I switch sleeves? Can't find it anywhere.
Also, torn between Tia and Clay Golem as my emblem.