/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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Coffhee.

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>>156059986
> #gore #innards #hua_po #cute

>>156060207
It's red bean daifuku you nerd

>>156060009
I never once saw Dagda mention loneliness as a cause for YHVH's cruelty. Was this really in Japanese or are people still repeating old bullshit?

Any EU dlc CIA pack around yet?Else gotta cave in and buy that shit

>>156060362
>eu dlc
>for a game that hasn't come out in the eu yet

yo, what?

So, are there any softcaps for stats? About to start a strength build after doing magic, and it seems less smart to pump strength up to 500 like magic since I need some luck too.

>>156060292
It wasn't "I'm so ronery" but more "There are no beings at my level of power that I simply cannot sympatize or view anyone else as equal" type of situation with YHWH

>>156060292
Well, wasn't that the point of having your Megami? So you won't end up lonely at the top and startfucking around?

>>156060390
Shit you're right, wanna hit myself right now

>>156060471
The game tosses incense at you from quests. I went 2st/2lu/1ag and ended up with 330 Strength, 250 Luck and 175 Ag

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>>156060541
He certainly never says such. After you wake up he just throws the choice at you before mindfucking Flynn, then you move on to Ginza.

>>156060529
And that's just not there, at least not in Massacre in English. This is the closest he gets, this and Satan saying that he hides away from the world. And the reason for that is explicitly stated - allowing humans to observe him puts him at risk.

>back to chillposting
nice. Now I don't have to read an entire thread whenever I get out of bed

What's all this Dagda pimps you waifus business?

>>156060971
It's just /smtg/ parroting mistranslations from months ago

>>156062125
Those were fun times

>>156060136
cheating

>tell asahi she's useless because i'm going massacre and being an edgelord
Now i feel like shit.
At least I forgot to save after the Shesha fight so I can fix my mistake.

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>>156062772
Grinding macca for armors anon. No bully

I just finished Apocalypse and now need to start hitting my backlog.

In Nocturne, I just beat Matador

In Strange Journey, I'm looking around for Horkos, and I'm phase shifting all over the place.

Which game should I get back into first?

>>156062876
The correct choices for massacre is being nice to Asahi and a edgelord to everyone else

People who play SMTIV:A: Can you read moon runes?

Can you still get one shot by mudo spells if you have only dark resist?

>>156060362
Use region emulation with luma/ntr

>>156063034
Nocturne. It only gets better after Matador whereas in SJ you have a lot of dull drudgery to look forward to.

ASURA KARNA.

>>156063083
If I could I wouldn't have had to wait until the english release.

>>156063218
Aight I'll do it

Do i neeed to unlock the yellow doord in yhvhs universe somehiow?

>>156060167
I fully agree with you anyways.

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I wanted to go back to Soul Hackers after Apocalypse but then I remembered I'd have to listen to Rise's voice coming out of Nemissa all day

>>156064298
The undub is out

Is the Jewels DLC good? Dimensional Hourglass sounds good, but Diamonds are rare as fuck

>>156061880
>didn't browse here for a day
>have to jump through 2 archived threads to reach the current one

Meh, chill /smtg/ is cool, but I'll enjoy this while it lasts.

>>156064382
I'd rather hear Rise than betray my country you goddamn commie

>>156064298
I wanted to go back to P4 after Apocalypse and then I remembered I'd have to listen to Nemissa's voice coming out of Rise all day.

It's such a great feel.

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>>156064552
>[Scout +]'s

Wait a minute. Did dagda just tell me I have to never interact with anyone again? And he resurrected me ONE friend? Jesus christ, I'd go insane and kill myself in five minutes.

>Dagda is a god of knowledge
Guess I'll go massacre on my mag build.

>>156064986
>wooooooooow I took sociopath ending killed everyone and now I'm alone

https://youtu.be/0I57J6y0ulk?t=5m30s

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>>156064986
Now imagine how it'd feel if you were all alone.

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>10 hour long
>shitty ambient music
>big ass map with nothing but few treasure chest every 10000 steps
>backtrack galore
>enemies are just random mobs with different weakness and metatrons

JUST

>>156065417
Such is thy punishment for daring to defy the Lord.

>>156065417
I posted it in the old general but here's the quickest way to bypass all the bullshit and go straight to the bosses

>The first brane is straight forward, the second brane you need to use the soul sword to cut down the barrier in the first area the proceed to the end. Fully explore the 3rd brane and make sure you unlock all three doors by touching the red/blue/yellow stones

>To quickly get to the end of the fourth brane unlock all the doors from the third brane then go to fourth brane C and use the gold door to go to R, follow the straight line to S and go up the stairs to Satan, everything else in the fourth brane is extra

When these challenge quests stop coming?

How to have Beelzebub in Apocalypse?

>>156053783
Thanks

>>156066423
Beat him in the cosmic egg.

>>156066423
When you beat Baal you unlock the fusion for both of them. If not there's a battle with Beelzebub in *record scratch* universe

>>156066496
I beaten him but how to fuse him?

>>156066541
The special fusion gives you the race and level of all the ingredients, use the fusion search to find them.

>>156066541
Go into Special Fusions, fuse Baal first, and have whatever else he needs.

WHERE IS MASTERMA I STILL CANT FUSE HIM

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>>156064986
Of course you'll be able to interact with others.

>>156065417
It's an hour or two max. The map is annoying since it's needlessly large scale compared to the usual narrow hallways, but it still won't take long unless you refuse to use estoma and try mapping out every edge.

Where is the black card equipment shop?

>>156067279
Ginza. Past the northern gate from Masakado's stone

>>156067156
I thought dagda said something about being alone? It would match with what he's been saying all game. Like I only send flynn out to do my bidding.

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Finally beat my first playthrough on Bonds.
Here's proof it's best ending.
>Let's hope we all meet in the next life as rivals and good friends.
>pic related

Is En, Lu, and some Ag really all I need to focus on for Soul Hackers MC? And apparently just a little Ma too for best armor?

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>>156067684
I was making a joke about all of that cunt goddess' messiahs that you'll get to kill.

That said I think Dagda was talking more about being capable of living alone(especially being capable of killing all the humans that would turn on you for your decision) rather than mandating it.
Some people thought his universe meant isolating god from mankind for freedom, but YHVH did the same shit and no one is advocating emulating that, least of all Dagda. It was really about destroying YHVH's covenant with mankind that subjugated all the other deities and the cycle of suffering. At the end of the day, you can do whatever you like, you're the Creator.

I got a lot of different vibes throughout the story and I think the writers themselves weren't always quite sure what Dagda's motive was supposed to be, between killing deities and reverting them to their primal selves, among other things.

I think Toki is the cutest

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>>156068035
Nevermind.
>I don't disagree with my old self but my job now is to work with Mother and rebuild fairy kind
W-Wait to kill the mood brainwashed celtic bastard

>>156068292
The way I viewed it was Dagda wanted to revert back to his primal existence before YHVH came along and any gods that opposed that or would try to manipulate humanity to prevent that are on his chopping block.

All he wanted at the end of the day was for things to go back to how they were and he had true freedom. Elevating humans is a side effect, a beneficial one and one he's okay with. It's clear he likes humans (or their humanity, if you want to be pedantic) but he loathes their dependency on one another. He's a solitary being that believes if you're strong the only one you need to rely on is yourself and that all you need is yourself.

>>156068484
I want Toki and Pascal to be my Megami.

>>156068035
When do you see this?

Maybe yhvh would have had more friends if it didn't take five goddamn hours to walk up his front steps.

>>156068709
After beating YHVH in Bonds.

>>156068745
YHVH is literally "IT'S JUST A PRANK" on a cosmic level.

>golden yellow head
>creator of the universe

Really makes you think

>>156068890
Get with the times, we "IT'S JUST SATIRE BRO" now.

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>Get to Krishpoo
>First boss that wiped me on War
Wew lad time to go fuse some demons that null Zan and Zio

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After 3 weeks, I finally finished SMT I and I loved it, I managed to get the Neutral ending by playing the Tokyo Destiny Land game,even got the Masakado Armor and beat Beelzebub which I think was optional. I think I did great for my first Megami Tensei game.

The hardest parts of the game were probably in order:
1.-Figuring where to go and what to do (most of the time I got stuck because I had to talk to people or do different actions)
2.-Ginza and Ikebukuro. the difficulty spike after Roppongi was huge for me, but it got easier once I bought the Magic Shells and Golden Guns
3.-The Cathedral, I got so lost in there
4.-Figuring what every spell did (I had to try each of them one by one and then wrote down in a notebook what I thought they did. >tfw testing Toraest on the Cathedral ;_;)

I have some questions
-Are SMT II,III and IV just as fun?
-I'm guessing there are alignments in those games too, Is being Neutral as hard as it was in SMT I?
-What was the deal with Louis Cyphre? was he really Lucifer? why didn't he help the Gaians?

I'm probably going to take a break and play SMT II in 2 or 3 weeks to avoid getting burned out
also I didn't know I was going to have to kill my friends, Im so sorry Lawbro, Chaosbro, I really didn't want to, thanks for everything, I hope you guys find happiness once you reincarnate.

>>156069017
Spam Mudo
Use Hallelujah for Warding Shout

I had Doggo and I did fine in my first attempt. Granted, I had Mudo on everything and Everyone.

>>156069056
>Are SMT II,III and IV just as fun?
SMTII yes, it's actually better I'd say, but III and IV are debatable.

>I'm guessing there are alignments in those games too, Is being Neutral as hard as it was in SMT I?
Kinda, not really though.

>>156069056
III is Nocturne and it doesn't have Alignments. Hardest route is True Demon Ending in Nocturne.

Yes, Louis Cyphre is Lucifer.

Yes the other games are fun.

>>156069056
>Was Louis Cypher really Lucifer?

Say "Louis Cypher" three times fast out loud for me

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>>156068650
Monster.

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>get Matador to murder his brethen

Hahahah fuck you skeleton

>last Riot Gun on Nanashi did 13k damage

How to fuse Metatron?

>>156069332
Honestly how Bonds treated Dagda is the biggest reason why I don't want to go back and do that route after finishing Massacre.

What do I do when my stock becomes full of shitty demons and I can't fuse them.

>>156069056
SMT II has huge Quality of Life improvements. It's a bit more streamlined and as a result easier because it's more comfortable. If you managed to enjoy SMT1, you'll fall in love with SMT2. I played 2 before 1 and I felt 1 to be rather unpolished. Then again, I played it before Orden patched glitches up.

Nocturne is something completely different that builds more the modern frachise. Digital Devil Saga, SMT IV and Apocalypse are all based off it.

Strange Journey is more a dungeon crawler, and to many is the best in the series in that regard. Devil Survivor 1 has a plot similar to SMT1

>>156069469
https://aqiu384.github.io/smt4a-tool/demons.html?demon=Metatron

>>156069580
Delete em

>krishna fight
>have navarre
>go in with alice
>abuse dark on everyone
>get nowhere
>claw my way to red
>navarre is extra dead
>alice is last one standing
>blocks all ailments
>dodges attacks
>her health is in red with no mp for die for me
>attack
>navarre is back and he uses mamudo stone for the win
Best ghost.

>>156069754
I'm still a samurai...

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>>156069253
>>156069268
>>156069278
>>156069601
Thanks everyone. ill look forward to SMT II then.
I also like the booru you guys have, might as well make a SMT folder in the meantime

Any demons with makarakarn roaming around at 40-50 lvl?

>>156069860
IT'S NAVARRE TI-

>>156069672
Looks like I need Merkabah but can't fuse it.

>>156069998
Pallas Athena.

>>156069860
But he is anon. He killed Krishna. Canon ending to that fight.

>>156070090
Merkabah is NG+, assuming you've unlocked the fusion you might just need one of his components to see the special fusion. It takes Seraph, Cherub, and Throne. The only reliable way I got the 90+ Heralds is upfusing with a salamander which you can get through two heralds

>>156069906
Hero is so lucky to have a qt like Heroine/Yuka

>>156070090
I just double checked you could also do a Seraph+Salamander

>You either brainwash Dagda's clone, or brainwash Flynn and one other companion
I'm not really a big fan of either ending.

Where's Yamata no orochi?

>>156070497
This desu, Bond didn't feel particularly nice and I'm killing all my friends in massacre now and this doesn't feel good either.

>>156070497
Dehumanize and face to bloodshed

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>>156070568
humans have immortal souls
Dagda doesn't
just fucking kill them

>>156070497
Let's be honest, the brainwashing was a favor to Flynn. Now he almost has a personality.

I picked Toki because Toki doki doki and she would probably require the least brainwashing. I don't even know why the writers made her fight you.

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>>156065401
>>156068969
>mfw realizing that SMT is just a LEGO set and YHVH is just the self-insert of an autist who shouldn't be playing with LEGO anymore

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>>156070719
You mean Asahi. Asahi is the most loyal. She never fights you. I'll admit this one got me though.

Still, you can't not pick sister.
>Let's go, Nanashi.

Demi-Fiend went TDE in the Apocalypse ending.
so is it as canon as Hero and Aleph going neutral?
did he and Lucy win against the Great will?

>>156070965
Asahi's kill, she would probably be really mad at you. Though this would arguably make her a better choice because she's innocent of it all, she has no clue what happened between dying and the Cosmic Egg hatching.

Still went Toki after Nozomi was such a letdown.

>"Choose one person to revive with your new world so that you won't go insane"
>"We call this a True Goddess Revival"

Lmao seriously Atlus????

>>156071342
s-shut up

>>156071397
>"Finally, we've reached the end of this Digital Devil Saga"

When will Atlus hire better writers?

>>156071342
Shinigami Tensei

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>>156071730
>You took over his body, so now you have to work as a Devil Summoner
woooow

>>156070007
YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS

>>156071342
>This was truly a Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Really Atlus?

WELCOME TO THE CATHEDRAL OF GATHER DEMONS

>>156072039
OOOOOOOOOOOH

>>156070564
In your <3

I'm tired of this shit

>>156071342
>Wow, you broke the record as a Devil Survivor too!

And you make me pay a tax for this, ATLUS USA?

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>>156071342
>We won't be just any survivors. When we're done we'll be Devil Survivors: Overclocked
Seriously?

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>>156071342
>You really defeated King Abbadon, Raidou Kuzunoha

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>>156071342
I can't let you have all the fun. I want to use my Persona too.

I like how the Raidou sprites in Soul Hackers are shitty on purpose to look just like the game.

>>156072504
Of course. Raidou has always been shit.

>>156071342
Nanashi! You'll be starting the Apocalypse!

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>>156071342
>Greetings Nanashi. I see you've chosen not to go with the Shin Megami Tensei, Apocalypse was your choice instead. I'll be watching closely.
Really atlus?

>I see you have become a Devil Survivor too, Record Breaker
Atlus please

>SMT IV DLC in Persona 5 that uses the Tokyo battle theme

Man where the fuck have I been? I'm more hyped for the SMT If... DLC though.
West never

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>>156072545
DELET THIS

>>156072039
>exit the fusion menu really fast every time
>now it sounds like Mido is really angrily shouting at me to gather demons every time

GEEZ DAD I KNOW, I'M A HUNTER, WHAT AM I GONNA DO, NOT GATHER DEMONS??

>>156072492
Ironically enough, the subtitles of the P2 duology are wholly justified.

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For damage which is better: Trisagion or Ragnarok?

>>156072979
>YOU DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO, DAD
>I'LL TAKE THIS PIXIE TO THE ENDGAME
>JUST YOU WATCH
>ONLY SHE UNDERSTANDS MY FEELINGS ;_;

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>that Town Battle theme in Nocturne
holy shit this is fire

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>September 29 is the feast of the Archangels: Sts. Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. These three Archangels are the only angels named in Sacred Scripture and all three have important roles in the history of salvation.

Uriel ;_;

>>156073337
>this is fire
We went over this the thread before the previous one, no niggerspeak on 4chan.

>156073446
>N****r
Really?

>>156073446
ahh gomen gomen, this is AGILAO

>>156070564
In the fusion app
>>156071147
There's a drama CD saying he lost, that's the best we'll get
>>156072069
I miss OOOOOOOOH, Apocalypse doesn't do it justice

>>156072039
HMMMMMMMMMM

UH OH

>>156073521
Fucking nigger.

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Is Kaneko dead?
is he ever going to draw SMT again?

>>Flynn helps you when you fundraise
What a bunch of fucking bullies. Someone stop these madmen.

>>156070965
She'd still likely turn on you if she was alive. Would have been a good move on their hands to make her the last fight and she's a complete wreck and they could give you an option to hold out on killing her then she Samarecarms the rest.

>>156073873
Did anyone try shaking up YHVH for macca?

>>156073864
>Is Kaneko dead?
Yes. My uncle works in Atlus so I know this.

>>156073864
I hope not

>>156073864
No he is just being a NEET.

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Poor Uriel.

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Anyone playing the full SMT4 undub? Or the Apocalypse one?

Curious if there were any problems with cutscenes.

>>156073912
>She'd still likely turn on you if she was alive
Nothing more than a hypothetical. Fact remains, she's the only one who doesn't turn on you because she's dead, and the first girl that always comes to Nanashi's head is Pascal. See the relics.

Do higher level'd demons give more money from fundraise? Asking because I need to do the negotiations sidequest

>>156073864
Maybe he's like Miura and he's busy playing idolmaster

>>156074265
Bind Bullets.

Watch the money flow

>>156074315
Oh yeah, I forgot that was a thing. Used to do it in IV. Thanks pal

So I just finished 4A, I liked it. But I heard that I can get the fiends from here too. Is that in NG+ or what

>>156074157
Uriel is more obscure than the other three. Fuck, Kazfiel is an Archangel. There's a total of seven. Atlus just wanted four for whatever reason so they picked Uriel and made the rest lower-level cronies.

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>>156073864
I think I like Toki's lips so much because they remind me of Kaneko.

>>156074524
I like Toki's lips because I want to kiss her

>>156074524
I think you like Toki's lips because you're a pedophile.

>>156074589
>think
Know. I wanna fuck Toki in the ass.

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>>156074252
A hypothetical that is completely true. She makes it clear she doesn't want Krishnas salvation and she's against Dagdas. Even if she didn't fight him she'd be healing everyone else every turn and kill herself anyways.

Just so you can delude yourself that your brainwashed dog wouldn't be against you if she was alive.

>>156074652
>ass
>not the superior pink hole
You're disgusting. Shit fucker

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>>156074718
>not both

>>156074652
Anal is for lawfags, because they're too afraid of pregnancies that will prove they've been having premarital sex.

Real chaosfags do it hardcore raw, right in the vagoo.

>>156074893
This. Neutral fags like >>156074789
need not apply.

For some reason Dagda keeps reminding me of Skull Knight from Berserk.

>>156073950
It's the same regardless of forms
>Nanashi tries to talk to YHVH, but his words fail him!
>YHVH is the word Himself. There is no other!

>>156074706
She's the only one who would try to understand Nanashi she always stick up for your side even when you bully her

>All this talk about having sex
>Not wanting to be a wizard forever

the fuck guys

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>>156074979
I get the same vibe

>>156074706
>A hypothetical that is completely true
Are you from a parallel universe or something?

>Even if she didn't fight him she'd be healing everyone else every turn and kill herself anyways
Since she and Nanashi had known each other their entire lives, and she was the only one who outright cried after hearing about his predicament, I think she wouldn't necessarily like what you're doing, but side with you anyways at best, and at worst, suffer from a mental breakdown.

How do previous protags sound in the dub? The Hero's japanese voice was surprisingly deep.

>>156075139
Hero's voice is just as deep in the dub I liked it

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>>156075003
And she'd still stand against you because she does not fucking want it. So she will off herself if she has to get her point across.

She doesn't even comprehend why he'd pick Law or Chaos bad ends, but Law at least ends with the Black Hole killing her. She'd probably die in the resulting slaughter by demons since Namashi is now a human with the heart of a demon.

>>156075112
And I don't even mean the visible skull part, I mean his demeanour and the way he speaks in general. Really reminds me of Skull Knight.

>>156075291
>And she'd still stand against you because she does not fucking want it
She makes a shitton of bad decisions in the game, I think Asahi even acknowledges this. So it wouldn't take much effort to convince her.

>She doesn't even comprehend why he'd pick Law or Chaos bad ends
Can we not use noncanon ends to prove our points? It's rather foolish, especially when there is a genuine argument to be had.

>Trying to recruit that blue demon with her ass out
>She keeps leaving with my shit or just flat our leaving when I try to talk to her
Just like women in real life.

>>156075738
Reminder that SMT is the best social commentary game.

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>>156075134
Except it's clear that they removed her at this point because her life will hold him back and that she will not agree to this, no matter what you try to say.

I don't think Dagdas wrong when he says Nanashi picks Bonds to spite him specifically either. Since her death can be both a blessing to his goals and a curse, as Nanashi could easily blame him for her death happening due to his manipulations starting this whole mess.

>>156072492
KEK

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>>156075651
All possibilities are canon including the dumbest shit. Just like the original Neutral where Nanashi decides to die and leave Asahi to die next.

Massacre route is Nanashi snaping after losing his father and doggo and coming to a realization that while YHVH universe still exist the cycle of suffering will never end

>>156075807
>Except it's clear that they removed her at this point because her life will hold him back
Fair enough

>she will not agree to this, no matter what you try to say
Asahi was convinced by Odin that she could conquer a strong demon and make it fight for her, and we all know how that turned out so anything's possible.

>I don't think Dagdas wrong when he says Nanashi picks Bonds to spite him specifically either. Since her death can be both a blessing to his goals and a curse, as Nanashi could easily blame him for her death happening due to his manipulations starting this whole mess.
I agree with this.

>>156076000
I know that. But I find it hard to believe Nanashi would just leave Pascal to die.

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>>156076057
That's always how I pictured it.

>>156076227
And afterwards she immediately realized before touching the thing it was a bad decision.

Though that would be hilarious. Asahi goes Massacre till the end and then kills herself because she realized she made a terrible mistake.

>>156076227
The reality is that it's true. Hell even Neutral Akira don't give a shit about his younger sibling like he did in the alternates, especially Infernal.

There are Nine possibilities where he lets Dog die and two where he doesn't, so he can sever his bond with her as holding him back.

Eleven if we include Law and Chaos from IV.

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Why is Chaos literally so perfect

>>156076546
small weenie

>>156076057
Same way I saw it, especially if you pick the Bonds options for dialogue. Boss tells you to look after Doggo and you fail, she dies for you. You've failed your entire family because of all these fucking gods in your life so just take Dagda's hand and kill em all.

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>Nanashi becomes powerful enough to destroy and usurp YHVH within a week

What is this fanfiction shit?
Demi-fiend is gonna be pissed to find out he's out of a job because some dude and his obscure Irish deity have already surpassed him

>Everyone makes fun of Bonds because YHVH comes back
Isn't the point of becoming a Godslayer that Gods don't come back like normal?

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>2016
>Still no Demon Summoning Program for Smartphones
>Still no Burroughs for smart watches
What gives?

>>156074315
What do you mean?

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>>156076657
About a month actually. More if we include before it and when the moon gets red so probably month.

>>156076658
It's just people butthurt about how sweet the ending is. There's no proof YHVH will come back. It's massacre apologist propaganda

>>156076657
The whole pact with Dagda is already retarded due to how insane it is to permanently be able to bring a human back to life in an instant
Especially when said deity doing the pact is this literally forgotten god nobody cares anymore in the modern setting where the game takes place
Or the fact there is nothing stopping far more powerful beings like Lucifer and YHVH from doing the same thus creating a neverending stalemate with their chosen messiahs

>>156076658
Play SMT2 and find out faggot.

>>156075807
The fuck does this chart says?

>>156076658
They can kill gods but if humanity continues to observe then, wish for them, and believe in them then they'll return. For fuck's sake, Krishna didn't die either when you ACTUALLY "killed" him.

>>156076820
>There's no proof YHVH will come back

IVA your first SMT? Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it soon enough, Danufag.

>>156076883
>with their chosen messiahs
Aleph was chosen law messiah and he rebelled.
Demifiend was chosen chaos messiah and he rebelled.

Just saiyan.

>>156076658
That's why you go massacre. So he doesn't come back.

>>156076532
>Hell even Neutral Akira don't give a shit about his younger sibling like he did in the alternates, especially Infernal
Akira's a bigger dick than I thought.

>>Though that would be hilarious. Asahi goes Massacre till the end and then kills herself because she realized she made a terrible mistake.
Mimicking her hero to the end certainly would. It'd be like pottery. Hilarious pottery.

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>>156076883
Lucifer has standards. Yeah I know Chaos having standards is crazy.

Law views them as disposable and can't into people seeing value in trash.

>>156076658
In bonds you're still living in the Universe he created. If the people believe in him he can come back. SMT2 explains this as well. Massacre has you destroying the old universe altogether thus creating a new humanity who would never long for or believe in YHVH again

>>156076820
I'm not sure you played the game.

>>156076972
Where's the proof Dagda fag? That's what I thought. Back to helping Mommy be queen of fairies, weenie.

>>156077009
And as I said, both Lucifer and YHVH are hilariously more powerful than Dagda.
There is nothing stopping them from literally doing the same with other humans, even if their previous messiahs choose to rebel
Dagda pact is mary sue as fuck

>>156077147
>Where's the proof

The game telling you?
SMT II telling you?
The game showing you that even if you kill gods they'll return so long as they have believers?

Here's your last reply. Treasure it.

>>156077163
>Dagda pact is mary sue as fuck
I thought it was because Nanashi was Akira. Also Dagda explains to Krishna that it doesn't work as well if the person doesn't consent. Hence why he was able to defeat Vishnua Flynn. On top of being Akira AND cooperating with Dagda, I think it makes sense why he'd be especially powerful.

>>156077147
>Answering your own post
As expected of bondsfags. To tumblr with you.

>>156077009
not in my games

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>>156077026
They didn't have to do it either. His original reason to go to the surface was his older sister, who was not only retconned into a non gender specified younger sibling but was now Always a member of the CDF and partners with Flynn and Im like "What".

He didn't even go to te surface for his sibling. Kenji failing to save them in Infernal made him more empathetic.

156077270
You won't even get a reply from me. We're done here edgelord.

>implying you can kill YHVH
what part of multiverse don't you people understand

>>156077438
Why is IV the worst story?

>>156077404
Irrelevant, SMT3 and SMT4A both established that Aleph and Demifiend rebelled.

>>156077504
Nanashi erases the entire multiverse, watch the Massacre ending faggot.

>>156076902
it's the standard chart
up - good ending
down - bad ending
left - was forced into outcome
right - chose the outcome on their own

the outlier flynn is, of course the law and its Mer "lol this includes us both" Kabah

>>156077163
I thought it was because Dadga is the God that has control over life and death. YHVH doesn't even acknowledge the player character in any of his appearances until the end because he looks down on you, so it makes since why he wouldn't go out of his way to revive people during the hero's journey. You could bullshit an answer for Luicfer that because he's all about strength so he wouldn't revive anyone becasue they lost to the strong

Why do bondsfags act like complete tumbrtards when it comes to arguing?

>>156077580
This is actually stuff you learn from NPCs and not the story itself.

But it's such easily missable shit that I think even the creators forgot about it.

That's what happens when you put in dialogue for a random character for one scene completely unrelated to them that disappears when you enter a building.

But it did fit with their goal of making Nanashi sever his bond with dog in multiple possibilities, unlike Blasted and Infernal where he loved his big sis but had to move on.

>Give me "that"
>Handed over one Str Incense
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>156077864
Lucifer has also had standards. Like him being against orgies and leaving Crowley horny in II.

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>>156077971
>He doesn't cheat

>>156076657
Demi killed the stand-in YHVH in his own game as well.

>>156076810
Fundraise a binded demon. Theyll automatically give you max dosh. You can do it up to 3 times. You can easily get 5000 in like 2 battles

>>156078092
Kagutsuchi is nowhere near as poweful as YHVH lorewise

>>156078092
Yeah Kagutsuchi was meant to be YHVH in that game since he's the Light YHVH is supposed to be to Lucifer's Supreme Darkness.
>Kagutsuchi is weaker than Lucy
Kek

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>>156077971
>he doesn't use them rightaway
>he doesn't give a wide berth to dangerous options

was it worth it???

Is there anyway to turn off my partner? I'm trying to fundraise but this bitch keeps killing shit I bind.

>>156077971
>Later, sucker

>>156078170
He'll literally destroys and recreates the universe and has done it numerous times

>>156078250
IV?
put on a challenge quest?

>>156078250
Use navarre

>>156078367
Navarre spams items such as the elemental stones. He only really buffs in boss battles or if you have no offensive consumables

>>156078363
>>156078367
IV:A. Can't put on Navarre cause he's dead and my only partner is Isabeau

>>156078250
Equip Asahi
>attack all rifle
>bind bullets
>skip turns and trim off the non-bound demons

>>156074893
So Anal is for Law and Vag is for Chaos. Unexpected.

>>156078504
see
>>156078495

>>156078495
Don't partners revive when a battle is over?

>>156078649
Not if you go massacre. He's double dead.

>>156078250
>partners
fucking casual

>>156078743
What? That's not cool.

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>>156074893
>sodomites
FIRE OF SINAI

>>156078743
>>156078495
>Choosing bobo as your Megami
That was your first mistake.

>>156079040
It's arousing to choose bobo after she says she hated you the whole time

>>156079040
Who's bobo? Isabeau?

>>156079040
But I wanted to choose her becau-
>>156079242
Took the words right out of my mouth. Plus she'll watch anime and read manga with me.

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>>156079249
More like "Is a bonobo"

>>156079242
That's why you choose QUEEN OF FAERIES.
Unless you want to cuck Flynn for eternity, in which case, go ahead.

>>156079242
>Bobo's so jealous of the fact you and Flynn were partners by destiny and he helped him the entire way while you were useless by yourself and not even important enough to be a Messiah or Great Spirit.

>>156078743
If you choose Asahi as your megami does she get her awakened power?

>>156079401
Even Nips don't want to eternally cuck a Brainwashed Flynn on Massacre.

They just pick Hallelujah instead.

>>156079242
Fuck Bobo
>get the shit beaten out of you by a high tier angel
>could rightfully be tired as fuck
>YOU DIDN'T HELP US CARRY SOME PEOPLE? FUCKING ASSHOLE I HATE YOU

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>>156059986
Is this game supposed to be this grindy? I can barely level up and I know I need to in order to fight that fucking Wendigo.

Am I supposed to spend 5 hours grinding nonstop?

Would you rather have new Devil Summoner by Team Maniax or Persona Team? Yamai's crew is definitely working on a new game and Hashino said he wants to work on something that isn't Persona.

>>156079397
Oh I get it. Thanks.

>>156079242
I'm not sure man. It would be like cucking myself.

>>156079547
It's a little grindy, but not that much. Wendigo is hard the first time around, I'll agree. But you just have to surround the shit out of him. Fuse Your Demons etc.

>>156079401
>Unless you want to cuck Flynn for eternity, in which case, go ahead.
Who's to say Brainwashed Flynn doesn't join in? Also the love will need to be spread. If Nanashi starts fucking his own kids than humanity will become Inbred. Flynn is pretty set getting to fuck goddess daughters all day

>>156079547
Kek. There is no grind in that game. Learn to fuse you fool! And specialize in mag/str.

I chose Gaston as my megami and I can't beat YHVH, what do.

>>156079694
Genetics won't be messed up until God says they will be messed up.

In other words YHVH's covenant making things worse for all.

>>156079815
Choose someone else.

>>156079748
>There is no grind in that game.

Lucifer.

>>156079905
Too late. They're all deads.

>>156074475
Isn't there only three "true" Archangels? iirc, an Archangel has the second-highest authority in Heaven behind the Lord

>>156080082
Damn Catholics and their canonizing fanfiction to deny Angels.

Is 150 high enough to stop raising Agility? Who's the fastest demon and what's they're agility?

>>156079954
Sole exception and he is optional.

Just beat the bonds ending as a magicfaggot. Should I go full gods rejected mode in my next playthrough and do a phys build? If STR still a trash stat like in IV?

Also, what's all this about choosing megamis in massacre?

>>156080446
Strength is pretty shit until you get Awakened and that one OP phys skill. Go dex

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Give a reason why YHVH's Covenant is not perfection incarnate.

>>156080446
>Should I go full gods rejected mode in my next playthrough and do a phys build
Yes. STR is pretty good, don't listen to this faggot >>156080601

When religious people say that they believe in the bible, do they mean that they like to use it as a moral compass or do they truly believe everything in it is non-fiction? Is religion a social community or do people actually believe there is a god?

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WHEN I SAY HEE
YOU SAY HO
HEE

>>156080446
>Also, what's all this about choosing megamis in massacre?
I would like to know too. What happens when you choose someone? Do they get brainwashed into loving you?

>>156080707
>do they mean that they like to use it as a moral compass or do they truly believe everything in it is non-fiction
Both. Which tends to yield mixed results.

>Is religion a social community or do people actually believe there is a god
The latter.

>>156071147
>Demi-Fiend went TDE in the Apocalypse ending.
Huh?

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>>156080154
If history is to go by, Christianity is a crazy religion. I'm Catholic, and even I don't understand the rules of Catholicism, and hell I won't read the Bible, because that thing is a literal door stopper.

>>156080764
They all care about you except Nozomi and Isabeau. She's just pretending to be a big sis figure cause QUEEN OF THE FAIRIES and you aren't Flynn and don't carry bananas on you.

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>>156080742
HO

>>156080704
>lying to him
Asshole. Strength isn't good until end game. Most strength skills pale in comparison to Dex skills even when you're running a strength build.

>Start up English version of SMT IV F
>Takes place in 2038 instead of 203X

Did Atlus USA explain why they chose 2038? Also, why can English VAs not pronounce "Asahi" correctly? All they needed was for someone who knew Nip pronunciations to tell them how to pronounce it.

>>156080974
This makes me the most angry. I was going to make Nozomi the Shin Megami Tensei because she was cool in IV and I thought she deserved at least a portrait. Then IVA happens and she's not cool at all.

>>156080974
>They all care about you except Nozomi and Isabeau
So when you make these two your megami they still don't care about you?

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>>156080952
>I believe in a religion but I won't read the book it was founded on

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>>156081167
They want your dick then.

>>156081031
Nigger I have Str and Luck as my main stats, and the game makes it easy as fuck.

>>156079679
What if I dance?

>>156079748
Demons barely give you exp, I'd say there is grind

>>156081314
So you can brainwash women into wanting your dick in this game huh?

Sasuga Atlus. Insta buy.

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>>156081031
I don't know man once you get dark sword strength becomes easy mode

>>156080952
Why are you a Catholic if I may ask? Do you truly believe there is a god? Why do you base your entire existence around a deity that you have no proof is even real?

>>156081572

Come on man, don't shit up SMT with religious debates. Just go to Christian Forums or Reddit for that.

>>156081572
Isn't that the idea behind faith?

>everyone in Mikado is casual with Nanashi's group entering
>Merkabah immediately sees through their disguise
Fucking how? If he knew about the team's actions, wouldn't the Power guarding the gate to Naraku at least be informed and recognize adults like Nozomi and even Isabeau?

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The only true God is the Outer Gods.

>>156081706
I think we already know his opinion of Reddit if he's here. But yeah, he should go to a Christian forum.

>>156081793
I thought they all wore the samurai outfit since you had to wear one, but they were too lazy to redraw a sprite for it. Isabeau is fucking stupid, and I didn't like how they handwave her being accepted enough to take part in Armageddon

>>156081119
Play undub.

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>>156081793
Why do that when you can punish the Angel for incompetence?

>>156079694
No christian will ever be fazed by weak rhetoric like that if god is not real you lose nothing for having faith meanwhile if God is real you literally lose eternal salvation for not having faith

>>156082114

I'll probably just play it in Japanese, I just felt like comparing the localization to the original a bit at the beginning. Everyone shits on Atlus' localizations these days, though they seemed fine when I compared the original and English versions of SMT III, Persona 3, and P4G (everything to do with honorifics aside), so I was just curious about SMT IV F as well.

>>156081706
I'm not trying to debate, I'm asking if he's ACTUALLY believes there is a real god.

For example no one ACTUALLY believes in santa claus but everyone likes celebrating christmas. So I thought maybe religion was like that. I want to know if people believe in god or if they just like being religious.

Sorry. I thought it was appropriate since SMT has a lot of religious influences in it.

>>156081743
You could have faith in anything you want. But to base your entire existence around it, all your moral beliefs, actions, and even politics is beyond strange.

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How's the Law ending of Apocalypse? Same as IV? Because if so that still sounds like the best option from what I've read of the endings.

>>156082523
Same as IV turns out the people who translated it way back were wrong.

You and Tokyo are nuked, but Flynn and the Divine Powers survived.

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Been staying out of these Threads for fear of spoilers, but I gotta ask: If I'm going for a physical build should I dump points into STR or DEX?
I remember everyone calling me an idiot for dumping my points in STR while I was playing 4 because it only increased your normal attack damage and not the attack for most Phs skills.

Is it the same this time around?

>>156082484
Not sure about main portion of the game, but when I was comparing the DLCs from Japanese Beta to English Final, the translation was extremely faithful.
People are just retarded and upset over SMTxFE because that one got censored hard by Nintendo.

You'll be fine with undub.

>>156082519

Yeah I get you. It's a fine question that I've asked before, it's just that I've often seen innocent questions escalate and become a shitfest. Sometimes it goes okay though as long as both parties are level headed. An actual conversation between a level headed religious person and a level headed non-religious person can be fun though.

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>>156082658
STR is fixed, phys skills scale off of it.
I'm doing STR/LUCK and it's a good time so far.

>>156082523
Law and Chaos are exactly the same as IV but with a extra line saying it will not last because Flynn and the other Gods are alive

>>156082679

>People are just retarded and upset over SMTxFE because that one got censored hard by Nintendo.

Yeah it's weird. I thought given Atlus' history and NoA's that it would have been fairly obvious who gave the order.

Also, how was Toki getting turned on handled in the Eigo version of Final?

>>156082658
STR is much better now. STR skills scale STR, DEX skills scale DEX, no cross-scaling like last time.

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>>156082803
Sweet, thanks.

Time to get stronk.

>>156082898
Not true Nanashi is a Fiend-Demi in Chaos too. The body of a human and the soul of a demon given by Lucifer.

>>156082484
>everything to do with honorifics aside
Out of curiosity, what did they do wrong there?

>>156082898
I get Law but how could Chaos be the same? There is no reactor this time.

>>156082519
It's not that strange if you believe 100% in Christianity. So if Person A truly believes in God and his teaching through the Bible /Jesus/ etc. then he would base his moral beliefs and actions on his faith (ie. would doing betray the covenant with the Lord ) and this would stem into politics because you would want to elect people who conform to your christian beliefs. It may appear strange to outsiders because they don't have that unwavering faith, but what drives that degree of faith is that it is a belief in this supreme being known as God

>>156082928
It's still there complete with the orgasm.

And the handjob innuendo with Asahi in the beach DLC is still there as well.

I literally don't see any censorship in the English version of SMT4A.
In fact it's less censored since the video of Nanashi getting saved from death by Dagda has uncensored gore, while in Jap versio the gore of woman sliced in half is completely censored by a blinding flash of light.

Either way it's pretty obvious Atlus is not one for censorship and SMTxFE was classic Nintoddler of Murrika corporate meddling.

Can you fuse Danu?

>>156083231
you take the demons to Mikado and Lucifer says you should become their king and then Walter says the world of STRENGTH won't last because of Flynn

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>>156083231
Combine this >>156083079

With razing Mikado to the ground

>>156082519
Most religious people are raised religious. Take something that you've known to be true since you were a child, like the sky being blue, for example. That's how early they gain a belief in God.

And naturally if you genuinely believe in God and the rules that he has for you, you want to elect officials that share those beliefs.

>>156083454
Pretty good. Flynn is my bro too we shared a journey together.

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I keep wanting to go back and finish playing Raidou 1, and then I remember what the combat in that game is like

>>156083193

First off, I don't care that they used them. I don't use them myself because I think it's lazy translation to leave them in, but it's depends on the translator, if another one wants to use them then I don't care. They claim that they keep them to preserve relationship nuances, and keeping those as best as possible while translating is the translator's job, but whatever.

However, they put everyone on a first name basis, which blows their excuse about retaining relationship nuances to pieces. And in the early parts of Persona 4 they add honorifics in to places that they didn't exist in the Japanese version. Where Yosuke might have been talking about rescuing "Amagi" in the Japanese version, he either said "Amagi-san" or "Yukiko-san" in the English. And then there's the fact that they mix English and Japanese honorifics. The teachers usually use English honorifics when talking to their students, and I think the students generally use them too? But I saw a scene where someone used "sensei" when talking about a teacher or a nurse or something. In Kashigagi's introductory scene she even used "Mr. Morooka" and "Nori-chan". It's all horribly inconsistent, it feels like about four different people all threw their own ideas into the game and no one gave it a consistency pass.

>>156083454

Law and Chaos early ends are weird because Shesa and the Divine Powers are still active

>>156083467
Much better than getting yourself killed imo.

What were the angels thinking?

I don't get it, were the cast making YHVH cringe to death with their shitty monologues? The only one that made sense was Gaston's.

Is YHVH omnipotent? Like can he hear what you say and know what you think at all times?

Or is he just an incredibly powerful being like Lucifer?

>>156083780
Well unlike in IV Nanashi presses the button himself to show he's doing this while fully in control, unlike Flynn when Merkabah presses the button.

>>156083972
Well I'm never going down that road. Thanks for the heads up.

>>156083835
It's based on Mysticism questioning God's supposed goodness or noble intentions, funneled through the mouths of a bunch of teenagers, a monkey, the QUEEN OF THE FAIRIES, and New Dagda giving his narration and muh Friendship.

>>156083967
the only thing he's got that other gods don't is that he created the universe
they point out throughout the entire fight that's he's nothing special

>>156083835
Walter always shit talked God when given the chance. Just look at one of your choices in the Pluto fight with his words when Pluto says "WILL OF THE LORD"

>>156083665
Raidou 1 has much better story, writing in general and music than Raidou 2 if it makes you feel any better.
And the pre-rendered backgrounds in Raidou 1 are better than Raidou 2 ones.

Raidou 2 just feels like it was on a budget and was rushed. Combat is improved sure but everything else ie just worse.

>>156084212
Did he actually create the universe, though? Aren't gods and demons in Megaten made from humanity's will and desires, both conscious and unconscious? Did YHVH predate all that, or is it one of those weird sort of things where he created the universe and then we willed him to have existed and created the universe?

>>156083967
He's neither omnipotent nor omnipresent.
He's just strongest dude around who made the universe.
Kinda like Nanashi becomes the strongest dude around and creates his own universe in Massacre ending.
That doesn't suddenly make Nanashi omnipotent or omnipresent, just "the strongest".

>>156084382
I'll have to disagree with you there I loved 2 and enjoyed what they were going for. I just hated when we had to go over the same shit we already fucking know God damn it Gouto you came back to do this shit!?

>>156084481
He created IV's Universe and it's branches.

>>156084534
>Power is sought by all
As said by the Lady in Black in Aradia's origin story.

>>156084481
To my understanding the universe existed before YHVH and he beat the shit out of all the other gods before casting them down.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

>>156084382
They should had re-released the original game with improved combat everything else about Raidou 2 was inferior to the original game

>>156084689
Other SMT games is what you are thinking.

>>156084843
Probably.

>>156084689
I think this is right. Dagda and Danu say that they used to be nature itself before YHVH came along and made them individuals. Like Stone Age humans started believing in him for no particular reason and he became powerful.

For all of you who pirated, were you able to get the DLC?