/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

1st for nothing is wrong with masterwork, fuck off autists who want 120497 different types of bone

New at DF
Where do i get that anon tileset or comfyset? What size is? How do i install it if i had another tileset installed previously? (Grim fortress)

>>155867059
I have plans for those 120497 types of bone, thank you very much.
I'm not even kidding about having plans which involve having tons of different types of bone, though I'll probably never manage to properly execute my plans.

>>155867167
>installing tilesets
Copy the png or bmp file to data/art, reference the file in data/init/init.txt as windowed/fullscreen font.

Also keep mind that graphics sets are a completely different thing from tilesets.

>>155867167
Here it is, and it's 16x24 I'm pretty sure: >>155635738

Save it into df/data/art, copy the filename, open up df/data/init/init.txt and look for the grim fortress tileset lines, replace them with the comfy filename.png.

[FONT:anon_tileset.png]
[FULLFONT:anon_tileset.png]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:anon_tileset.png]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:anon_tileset.png]

Assuming you save it with that name, I always rename it as ComfySet.png myself.

>>155865735
Followup: my best scholar Shakey is no longer scholaring due to missing his arm. It must be depression.

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>>155867583
Oh, you would need the graphics.txt file with the creatures which I don't have, but that and this could go in your df/raw/graphics and df/data/save/region#/raw/graphics folders if you use graphics too.

>>155867059
It's like you've never farmed mermen bones.

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>>155867059
>nothing is wrong with masterwork

>>155867407
Thanks for the answer but Whats a graphic set?
>>155867702
Thanks! Which creatures? Where do i get the file?

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Won't the more stuff added to DF just hurt the FPS even more?
Will any update ever improve FPS?

post comfy folk music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpfdjpBniM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oUDvqPifFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4FQXDSKsBI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_F4YbK1sY

>>155868241
It's ok. By the time Toady finishes the game we'll have CPUs powerful enough to actually be able to run DF.

>>155868241
That's a nice gif, but why does it stop mid way through?

>>155868241
>Will any update ever improve FPS?
he he he

>>155868181
If graphics is on then instead of a U and g and e and dorf tile you would see the little dudes in that comfygraphics.png file, but you need a graphics.txt which points the right jobs and races at the right tiles there.

>>155868241
>Will any update ever improve FPS?
The latest update did.

If you have a fort near fps death in an older compatible version, try loading it in 0.43.05. It will run much better. My fort went from 12 to 33 FPS. The catch? there's no dfhack yet for the latest version. ;_;

i am
a dwarf
and i'm
digging
a hole
diggy diggy
hole
digging
a hole

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And here I thought the massive amounts of food I generated was dead weight.

>>155869290
A sandstorm?

>>155869718
More like a dot storm!

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CAN ANYONE POST OR LINK TOP TIER DF ART?

I LOVE IT.

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>>155869848

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>>155869848
>POST TOP TIER DF ART
CERTAINLY

>>155870653
This is the nigga you need to ask for top tier df art from.

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that's nice

>>155870549
Isn't that from a Pratchett book?

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In the military interface there's a spot which says whether or not a dwarf has relevant skills when you've got them selected for adding to a squad. I just noticed that what counts as relevant skills is determined in part by what equipment is assigned to that squad spot. So if that spot is assigned a crossbow, marksdwarf counts as relevant, if that spot is assigned a pick, miner counts as relevant, etc. There's some oddness though, it seems a bit inconsistent about fighter skill counting or not, or maybe it's the indiv choice assignment which causes odd results.

>>155870962
Things like that really make me wish we could assign random items to random dwarves without them being in the military. Even in the military I don't think we can assign them scepters, and I'd really like to be able to have my dwarven king holding something like that.

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>>155870962
>>155871815

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>>155872090

how should I make my Jewler stations+stockpiles be efficient in gemming actual good items and not just wooden barrels and pots all the time?

>>155872249
Linked stockpiles, I guess. It's kind of a headache though.

>>155872090
Neat!

>>155872249
Gem EVERYTHING

>too autistic to play DF without my rapist crutch
>don't want to play old version
It was inevitable.

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my dwarves cut off an ettin's dick today

>>155874680
You mean
>not autistic enough to play DF without your rapist crutch

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>>155874815
also, my masterwork mussel shell helmets that were super cool in my mind turned out to be an error in judgement.

>>155874861
Whichever, really.

>>155874815
The balls, anon.

>>155874906
See, I told you you're not autistic enough.

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>>155874815

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>>155874906
>mfw filthy neurotypicals hate on my gift

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>>155874680
vanilla is just fine t b q h

open up the ini files and change stuff. it's just like the LNP except in a text file. you can switch to square graphics that come with the game like in pic related.

>>155875061
>LNP
stop cissuming my 3rd-party tool preferences, shitlord. I said Rapist, not LNP.

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>>155875061
>using squares
>using the shitty VANILLA squares of all squares

The Toad speaks:

The main map work left to do for this release is the kobold site update. I'm going to take a break from that for a change of pace, though, and move over to artifact rumors and getting some artifact-associated critters running around. The spread of artifact location information needs to be a little more refined than what we currently have available, so there'll be some preliminary work on that. I'm going to start by getting the various wandering taverngoers to gather and spread site rumors, which should give us a good foundation for information transfer in the friendly human-dwarf-elf areas, mostly.

Since they aren't regular travelers, and we really need their civilizations to know about artifacts, the goblins and their demon masters will have to pick up information on the edge of the tavern ecosystem. For this time, that'll mean having their own agents running around, which should be cool. They might have to interface with shadier people in town (who'll have to be understood a little better by the game), or they might blend in themselves if their race wouldn't be out of place (kidnapped humans/elves/dwarves grown to adulthood might finally be useful for something specific). Doing this correctly involves quite a few systems that aren't in yet, and we'll either do or skip those systems based on what we think we can complete in a timely fashion. This is a good time to finally get some more nefarious tendrils out in the world, though, and we're planning on messing with it a bit.

>>155875163
>preferring rectangular circles

>>155875163
go fuck yourself

>>155875182
>kidnapped humans/elves/dwarves grown to adulthood might finally be useful for something specific
consider me hype.

>>155875286
Also, correspondingly, an (economic) reason for snatchers to exist.

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>>155875128
oh. u->scroll->z->p->l

>>155875163
idk man I really like it when squares don't look like rectangles and circles don't look like ovals.

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>>155875182
Ah, these sound like they'll be interesting, having goblin sites make scholars and shit was interesting but produced a lot of bloodshed until I removed the kill_neutral:required bit, but I really like this push to have taverns turn into information hubs of all sorts.

>>155875251
>preferring less optimal use of screen space
If you must use a square set like the vanilla, this one was cleaned up by Rogue Yun I think and is a much better rescale than the 16x16 vanilla.

>>155875403
>oh. u->scroll->z->p->l
>doing this for 80 dwarves
I'll pass.

>>155875443
>>preferring less optimal use of screen space
Wouldn't a more optimal use of screen space be a tileset wider than it is tall, to make use of the wide screens everyone has? that way each of the corners could be equidistant from the center.

>we are actually having this conversation
dfg everyone

>>155875061
>>155875403
My god, that central staircase is atrocious for pathfinding. Are you trying to drive yourself into FPS death? And it looks like you wanted to build a standard 3x3 but avoided it at all costs for reasons.

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>>155875452
well it's not as though you get 80 dwarves all at once and then assign them labors. the best way to do it is ofc you've got your initial seven with starting labors, and then when a wave of migrants arrive, watch them pour into the map and push "v" on every single one that enters, check it's labor skills and then give it what you want it to have. 80 is like, five to six waves and easily manageable in chunks of 5-20.

it's true that therapist is a much better UI for labor management, but I can't see not having it being game-breaking because managing labor isn't that hard, especially with a small number like 80. You just gotta make yourself do it, anon, and you won't feel these shackles around your ankles anymore.

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>>155875003
10/10

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>>155875714
Well my computer is handling that design on 50 z levels with 230 dwarves with pretty good FPS for whatever reason, but yes it's not efficient. The idea was the staircase in the very center is a sort of spine that I've been filling with silver sarcophogi from the top down, as a sort of burial chamber for dwarves, surrounded by central staircases on all sides that can be gated off on any level. Now that I have my map all figured out and shit I am thinking of moving my fort to a different corner and making a much more deliberate and autistic design, and yeah, gonna re-adopt the 3x3.

>>155875538
If you want larger than 24 pixels in any dimension on a 1920x1080 you need to go 24x36 or 24x48, the later is too extreme but the former is a nice size.

There are lots of options for smaller sets, not nearly enough for larger screens, and in adventurer mode the situation is reversed, fort mode you often want to see far more screen at once, while your actual visual range limits what you see as an adventurer, so using square sets or smaller nonsquare sets means you're looking at like: [ o ]

Instead of: [( )]

If you went with a wide/short set it would still be limited to 24 pixels across and what 16 wide? Which is even worse than square for displayed information density AND worse than 16x24 or 24x36 for maximum tilesize.

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>>155876285
I was mostly memeing you, but I decided to try my suggestion (poorly, by scaling a random tileset).

This is atrocious.

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>>155876178
>>155875403
>>155875061
Those screenshots look awesome.
The coolest thing I've ever managed is pic related. Well, now I feel more motivated to figure out how to get square tiles working, which I've been putting off forever.

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>>155877143
go to your dwarf fortress folder, open data, open init, then open the text file called "init", go down to the FONT parameter and change it to

[FONT:curses_square_16x16.png]

or a different font that comes with the game in the image folder.

I need to butcher some dogs.

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>>155876671
Well thank you for suffering in the name of science.

>>155877406
Or, save this file in df/data/art: >>155875443
and change it to use that, or if you want it cleaned up a bit on the pixelation, with the neat raving maniac style walls, there's even this.

>>155876671
>This is atrocious.
Well duh. There is a reason the original IBM CP437 has the aspect ratio it does. Sadly, squarefags are also missing the point, only to sate their autism for perfect symmetry.

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>>155870390

>mcfurnace

>>155876178
>>155876178
that's a naztika

>>155879036
it's called a "windmill" v.v

>>155868241
Just accept FPS death.

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>>155881072

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>>155881072
>>155881978

>>155882817
Took me a second to see, what you did there, I accept it.

>>155882878
I accept you accepting it

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I'm posting bote until toady adds boats and we can have fishing in the game.

>>155883220
>I'm posting X until toady adds X
In the context of DF that undertaking could usually be considered insane, and a few years ago I would have called you retarded, but I think the chances are pretty good that you only have to post bote for a few years. Which is practically nothing in DF-time.

The interesting part will be what other features will be touched and introduced in the course of adding boats. I for one am really looking forward to see harbor structures, especially piers - maybe we will even get some sort of mechanic to build in water, or build during ebb.

Creating an artificial bay as wave-breaking/defensive structure would be so cool.

>>155883634
Boats imply: moving multitile structures, sliding walls, raising/lowering platforms, megatrap with rotating/grinding/crushing structures, and there is little reason to expect the actual multitile moving structure release to not accompany the multitile creature release as most of the same work will need to be done for either to function anyways.

>>155883920
Aren't wagons technically multitile creatures

>>155883973
To paraphrase toady - yes, but they're a special case. Their pathing cannot be used for other multitile creatures, the performance is nowhere near adequate.

>>155883973
Yup, but as >>155884008 said, they're not a generally workable method. I had the idea of trying to alter the sizes and stacking them but it just scuttles the top ones.

>>155883973
>>155884008
They are a test case IIRC.
They rotate on one axis, which would be pretty weird on multitile creatures.

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>>155883634
Personally, I'm enthoustiastic about explorable shipwrecks, primitive diving equipment(like diving bells) and mechanics for holding your breath. There's no guarantee that any of those will be added, but in my opinion they are a crucial part of having boats.

Of course, Toady will also have to work on making oceans more interesting. You have to encounter marine fauna far more often than you currently do. When travelling by boat, you should be able to see whales and schools of dolphins and things like that, and sea monsters should be able to ram and damage your boat(bonus points if said sea monsters are multitile). There should also be hazards like storms and maelstroms.

Of course, naval battles i also a must.

Lastly, I expect there to be a set of different (raw defined) ship types, which differ between civs. The elves (and potentially also goblins) should use primitive boats, like war canoes and viking ships while humans and dwarves should have access to late medieval and early modern ships, like caravels and galleons.

>>155884378
>mechanics for holding your breath.
That will be added for sure. Improved swimming (holding breath, currents, etc.) is a future goal.

Linux dev branch of dfhack seems to compile properly, make sure you set it to build the 64 bit version though.

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>>155886016
Missing various offsets still, but there is progress!

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>>155887204
pls change tileset or stop posting

>>155884378
God, Toady's got his work cut out for him.

>>155887414
Missing the point sugar, I'm tilesetanon, but more importantly: dfhack is somewhat sorta working!

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This thing is in my caverns right now
Will post again when it's dead and tell a story

>>155867702
Is there a square verdion of this?

>>155891837
Sadly not. It seems comfyanon has a malfunctioning braincase.

>>155891919
I dont wanna play rectangle fortress. Hope he does a square version soon.

>>155867218
other anon, but good luck with your project, feel free to talk about it if you want

>>155889748
>webs
>Will post again when it's dead
>implying

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>>155889748
>FB in the shape of an elephant
>an actual giant elephant would be 4x bigger

>toady still hasn't had a child yet

Who will continue his legacy?

>>155897140
The dwarves, aka us
God forbid Toadys death, Zach would probably collaborate with the top notch programmers of the forums to achieve his brother and his' dream

>>155897123
>white people showing emotion
What?
Is this acting?

>>155898347
No, that was taken in a part of America with minimum water fluoridation.

>>155897123
>>155898347
>>155898430
I always thought only white basement dwellers played this game
I think i've never seen a black person with aspergers

>>155899208
Seeing a white person show that much emotion is weird to other white people too, mate.

>>155867059
crashes on me but maybe that's my fault.

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>>155899208
>implying half of the african third term presidents aren't sperglords

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This has to be the easiest forgotten beast kill ever. The thing just stepped on something and the floor collapsed under it.

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>mfw elven poets recite poems in celebration of nature in my taverns

>>155891919
Malfunctioning like a champion!

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>>155903000
stardust in DF when

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>>155904246
Like Za Warudo?

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Who needs an army?

Noob here. So I have an insane amount of food, like a trillion plump helmets and fish, with a huge dining hall. But dwarfs are cancelling work to hunt vermin for food? Why is this happening? Are they going to starve to death with a huge supply of excess food surrounding them? Other dwarfs seem to be using the food just fine...?

Post best forts ever made, whether your own or someone elses.

>>155910801
I'm pretty sure vermin don't actually produce food
If you have too much food remember to make lots of lavish meals in the kitchen

>>155910801
Maybe you've walled off one of your dorfs. That's the usual reason they start to hunt vermin in my games.

What's a comfy script population cap? Enough dorfs to have the essential industries and a military.

>>155911739
4

>>155910951
> remember to make lots of lavish meals in the kitchen
Another anon here: though i have lots of food prepared by legendary cook, dwarfs more often go for some pig brain of dog intestines or other disgusting shit ingridient instead of cooked meal. Is that ok? Does cooking have any effect at all except for raising wealth of fortress?

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So I've been playing for about 7 hours.

I have a fort of 118 dwarves, with metal, farming, gemcutting, fishing and slaughtering industries all functioning. I built a 3 storey keep outside my main mountain hideout, dug down to the caverns (99% flooded, nothing interesting there), and have individual bedrooms for each dwarf.

I basically feel like I have nothing left to do. I get the occaisional seige, which my multiple Hammer Lords tear through like paper, but nothing challenging is really going on any more.

Whats left to do?

>>155910951
Dwarves start hunting for vermin if they don't have access for food.

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Food
>75000 - dwarf starts flashing "Starving", begins hunting for vermin

>>155912140
Retire and go see what is taking place outside your fort, go visit it yourself, see how your dorfs live and die, then come back to the fort and see how it feels with a richer understanding of the world outside your embark?

What are some fun ways to play adventure mode? All I do now is minmax a peasant into a legendary vampire knife master. What is a fun self-restriction in this game?

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>>155911925
>pig brain
>disgusting

>>155912891
>Indiana

I'm not even surprised.

>>155877143
If you guys want to see some cool fort design, check out Keupo on Twitch. The dude just throws together ridiculous geometric patterns.

>>155912140
>Whats left to do?
Well, you didn't talk about undead sieges, conquering hell and so on, but as these only last a while before getting boring too, I'll just answer pretending you included these.

Short answer:
Nothing, you're indeed done with the game, unless you like adventure mode or fortress challenges.

Long answer:
You've seen most of the content there currently is in Fortress mode, and if that's all you're interested in, then the rest of the answer won't be satisfying either.
But DF is more than just narrow fortress mode, and you're doing yourself a disservice to not at least try it out.
Also, DF is very incomplete so the following sometimes doesn't apply as well as it should.

Anyway:
DF isn't just fortress mode, it's a fantasy world generator. Don't play a fortress - play a world. Read about its history, and find yourself a quest. Restore a dwarven kingdom to its former glory, try to build a defensive fortress on a strategically important position, kill a dragon that destroyed a legendary fortress, etc.

Don't try to do these things with a single fortress, but instead with multiple fortresses and adventurers in the same world. Train soldiers and create equipment, then go to that fortress as adventurer to get armor and soldiers. Kill a demon and build your adventurer a giant castle to retire in.

Though all of these things take a lot of time and dedication. You will have to work for your fun.

>>155913372

How can I trigger undead sieges? I don't think theres a necromancer tower nearby

>>155913440
Embark near a necromancer tower, duh.

>>155910801
I figured this out, migrants spawned on the other side of the river and I didn't have a bridge and didn't notice they were on the other side starving to death in their third world hell.

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>>155904246
>stardust in DF when
Making a demigod adventurer, combined with the upcoming trippy magic of the myth arc, will basically allow you to become Stardust.

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posting botes 4 boteanon

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huh

>>155913672
this comic's dialogue is wonky it actully sounds like sometjing straight from DF

>>155913672
>>155915571
I really want to read this now. It's amazing.

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>>155914567
>yfw

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>>155883920

Ok guys, last thread we had some people trying to kill themselves in the fastest way possible in adventure mode.

Your goal: kill yourself in the least amount of turns. You can choose any stats for your adventurer, any starting location, and any status.

I personally gave it a go and spawned a peasant in a fortress I retired, and made a beeline for some traps I set at the entrance. I died in maybe 23 turns though, because I spawned a bit far away from the traps. not counting how long it took for me to bleed out.

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>>155915935
it's basically a comic about an all-powerful superhero with no weakness punishing criminals in extremely strange and elaborate ways, after failing to stop them in the first place

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Novice drawfag from a few threads ago, I have nothing to do tomorrow. Anyone got some ideas what I could practise with my scribbles?

>>155917323
how about a necro siege?

btw. I swear this general has some of the best OC on this whole site, with timbukdrew, 9dots and other quality drawfags like yourself

>>155916825
I can't find a source for it. Any pointers?

>>155917916
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_the_Super_Wizard
I read the comics as they were uploaded on an obscure imageboard, but they're probably available somewhere online. You can also buy the compilation, it's called "I Shall Destroy All The Civilized Planets!"

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>>155917741

Thanks mate, I guess I'll give it a go. I admit, I've never done well with big, detailed drawings of lots of different people/things, I always burn out after drawing a few parts and want to turn over a page. It will be good to practise.

>>155917916
>>155918196

Found one :)
http://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=60947

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>>155918196
>>155918291
This is fantastic.

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>>155918632
>he knows

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>he's a necromancer too
Just like every adventurer.

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>>155916449
Started a couple tiles from the door, walked over, pulled out my spear/dagger so I can't grab the walls, then I was dead within 5 steps.

Toady has been ordered by the government to implement some form of multiplayer into df. How does he do it?

>>155920307
Amateurishly, and in a time frame longer than several governments will last.

>>155920307
He just integrates save sharing into the interface.

>>155920307
You can't do shit to someone in a strange mood, anon, you should know this already.

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>>155920267
You're the winner so far, and I can't fathom a better way to do it. Good job anon.

>>155899329
What the fuck dude , is life in america that surreal that you don't even express your emotions in a healthy way ?

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I have an idea that might help Toady attract more players to the game.

The idea is simply to implement running forum gags and references to internet culture, so called "memes", into the game. This will make the DF community feel that Toady is closer to them, as well as their internet culture.

One example is by simply changing the names of certain objects and creatures, like changing "tree frog man" into "pepe" or, to reference a dearly loved meme among the DF community: changing the name of plump helmets into "helm plumps".

I'm not just suggesting that Toady changes the names of certain objects, but I also think he might gain from adding the ability for DF to connect to a dedicated server, constantly keeping the playerbase updated with the freshes new memes constantly, by automatically scanning popular meme communities such as "9gag" and "reddit". This framework also opens up for a potential future system to replace the donation system, where the players can choose to pay Toady to instantly unlock certain features in the game.

This is not all: Toady can also make a bigger effort at being "in touch" with the playerbase, for example by using more memes in his dev log updates.

So, /dfg/, what do you think? I think this might be what's best for DF in the long run. Of course, it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but the new influx of players will surely compensate for any player that might leave the game. It will also generate more donations, making it easier for Toady to realise his project.

>>155921076
I know a way you could do it faster, I've seen world-gen forts which load INSIDE a volcano a few times, and I've had a couple of mead halls where opening the door led to you being engulfed in magma.

Though I did know that this site was sitting on a volcano due to having visited it just now with my main adventurer.

>>155921109
If you express anything other than thin satisfaction with your beige-walled suburban tract house and used Toyota Camry you're some species of faggot

>>155921352
What do you hope to accomplish by posting this

>>155921570
Kek, I had no idea that could happen.

I guess you could call those places...

Inn-cinerators :D

>>155921109
Last night we watched a lich debate a reptile person pretending to be a clown as part of the process by which we decide which of the two we would rather put in a position where they can literally end the world.

Surreal doesn't begin to describe it man.

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>>155921783

Any essential mods? also should I stay with older version since DF and DFHack is not updated yet for newest version? Or do I lose some new features/useful fixes?

>>155922751
>essential mods
no

It's more enjoyable when you play with dfhack, but the last dfhack compatible version had some really annoying bugs.

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>>155922892
I just hit reveal and it worked, though there are still many things which don't work fully.

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What happened to this poor fellow?

There is a massive cavern under my fort super deep and the bottom is made of water, how do I get around it so I can dig deeper. I'm a noob btw.

>>155912140
>dug down to the caverns (99% flooded, nothing interesting there
>I basically feel like I have nothing left to do.
To me it sounds like you're stuck near the very beginning.

Pump the first cavern layer dry and dig past them. There are multiple layers. Under which you will find a magma sea. Get rid of your current shitty wood-burning industries and replace them with magma industry. Pump the magma near surface for convenience and for use on other projects.

>>155923364
got a kea on his eye

>>155923957
Well fuck if you don't have a volcano up top you could try to cave-in a block of stone onto it and then dig through the stone?

_____ <-floor
### ][<- support
###
###
###

That's a side view of a block of stone, dug out of the roof except for a floor on a support holding up the rest, with a top view like so:

+++
+++++ <- support under here
+++

The idea being that you hook a lever up to the support and have the floor built there BEFORE ramping out the sides of the block, then use a burrow and civ alert to keep everyone away from it and have the lever in the burrow, pull it, drop the block on the cavern lake, it will wind up sitting on or punching clean through the bottom, if it does punch through it can drain the water, if it doesn't you can build down to the block and dig straight down through it.

>>155916449
What's the point? You can die in few turns without preparation or in 1 turn if you prepare your site. That is, If we don't count how long it actually takes to drown/melt.

Fortress mode, older or younger worlds?

>>155924863
As young as possible. Design a super-efficient minimalistic multi-generation fortress that can survive FPS death for centuries. Your goal is to tame and breed an army of megabeasts.

That is going to be my next fort. I did it back in 0.31, but DF had no world activation back then. It will be interesting to see your world develop around you like never beore.

DF or Gnomoria?

>>155925878
this repeating digits will tell you to go home and be a family man.

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>>155900131
>easiest

>>155900131
>The thing just stepped on something and the floor collapsed under it.
How? Cave-ins don't just happen on their own.

>>155928846
I think there is a bug with tower-caps leaving floating slopes, I'm assuming that's what happened. When I got there all I could see was a cloud of dust.

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megaproject time.

>>155929594
That's a lot of yaks.

>>155924073
>Pump the first cavern layer dry and dig past them.
Why not just leave the water there and dig past?

>>155927694
>not a ridiculously flimsy material beast like salt being one-punched by an untrained peasant
First one I ever got when they were added to the game. It did nothing.

>>155930516
To open the cavern layer for other uses. A gigantic water reservoir isn't terribly interesting.

>>155921109
If you think America's bad, you should try a Scandinavian country.

>>155930646
Steam is great for forgotten beasts since they can't do anything to anybody and die to literally anything. That one was dead before I even was able to react.

>>155921873
t a k e
t h e
r ed
p i l l

why am i reading 6 years old drama threads on bay12 forums

Anyways, it's quite interesting. Back in 2010 toady accidentally released a version of DF with unobscured symbols. That is, anyone tinkering with the exe could see the names of things and potentially reverse engineer much of the game. Someone started making a df clone, tried to recruit dfhack people and was generally being an immature faggot.

>>155937625
Still tries to recruit dfhack people.

>>155937803
Really? What for? His df clone has gotten nowhere in 6 years and it seems dead right now.

>>155937625
What's the clone called?

>>155938036
To get them to make a clone for him I suppose?

>>155938140
Kindasad

>>155937625
linkys and histories pls

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>>155912140
if you're not interested in building anything neat, yeah you're done. this is a creative game above anything else.

I doubt all three of your caverns are entirely flooded, either way you can control how much water spawns in those in advanced world gen, and if you're not using advanced world gen you've barely begun to play DF. It doesn't matter if you aren't into large projects or creating aesthetic forts, though. you could always crack the circus.

>>155920258
What are those commas for?

To whomever it may concern-

Yesterday I posted this comment after my play session. >>155860237

The kitten was outside my base and the Web slinging coral blob forest titan was coming towards my base. I just wanted to update now that I'm playing again, the kitten ran into my base and the bridge is pulled. I thought the kitten was done for but somehow I think it knew!

Thanks for reading

>>155940702
Oh snap
Pretty lucky

>>155940702
We prayed together, behold the mighty will of /dfg/ spirituality!

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>mfw fire clay, clay and sand on embark

>>155947146
But is there Kaolinite?

>>155947146
BUT NO IRON ORES, never ever

if i forbid my nest boxes, will the turkeys still use it? I want to bolster my turkey population.

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>>155950000
I might've brought some kaolinite with me just in case

>>155938036
>>155937625
linkss

If I let the world generate longer, will it increase my chance of getting sieged?

I only get one siege every 10 years because of this bullshit mechanic where the armies have to actually travel to your fort

>>155937625
>trying to fuck over Toady, holy i would kill him

>>155951450
its bullshit cause its realistic? end yourself, then embark near some fucking goblins you cuck

>>155921109
I can't actually remember a time in which I openly expressed my emotions in a way that satisfied me that the other party understood them.

This is the norm, as far as I can tell.

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>>155951713
>give long, impassioned speech to a friend about something important to you
>they laugh awkwardly and change the subject because nothing in life prepares a person to deal with that shit

Dwarf Fortress is the only thing keeping me from suicide.

>>155950782
I don't know one way or the other about forbidding nest boxes, but forbidding the eggs works, as does disallowing eggs from all food stockpiles, which is what I do. You can also keep the nest boxes behind locked doors (relative to dwarfs, not relative to turkeys) or mess with burrows.

>>155947146
I had a fortress in .42.02 which had sand and three types of clay. All of my barrels had three clay decorations each, which made up a significant part of the value of my exports.

>>155940702
>titans are forgotten beasts
This irritates me greatly.

>>155933034
Maybe that's why my father's side of the family is so unpleasant.

>>155929594
I count twenty six wagons. I am curious.

>>155924863
Depends on what you want. Older worlds tend to have more werebeasts, vampires, necromancers, travelers, books and arts and often more armies. Newer worlds tend to have more megabeasts. This all depends on circumstances though, sometimes an older world will have had most or all of the civilized creatures killed off. Anyway, 125 years seems like it's about where most people like to play.

>>155921873
There are more than two people running. I suggest voting for someone who's honest and 50% wrong instead of someone who's dishonest and 90% wrong. It's what I intend to do.

>>155921109
That's right, we pretty much only express emotions in unhealthy ways. I wish I were joking.

>>155952531
Some else simply not caring is a pretty hard thing to cope with if you care about them, don't I know it.

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>>155954534
>I just want to feel like people like and accept me. I just want YOU to think I'm an alright person
>...
>a-anyway work sure is boring huh lol
>yeah dude fuck work fml

Post the entrances to your fort

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>>155955050

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>>155955050

>>155955289
>using catapults

Whoever drew this did not play this game

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>>155955050

>>155955416
On a side note I really love ballistas.
>tfw hitting 4 gobbos with a single arrow

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>>155955289

>trying to get back into adventure mode
>can no longer amass an army of 30 axemen to lay siege to necromancy towers because rep is broken
>can't even try to build rep because I'd have to scroll through 5000 pages of "I KILLED A RAVEN TWO WEEKS AGO"

Fuck
This

What was the last version before Toady ruined everything? The one where there were vamps and necromancers but before morale?

>>155921352
>I'm not just suggesting that Toady changes the names of certain objects, but I also think he might gain from adding the ability for DF to connect to a dedicated server, constantly keeping the playerbase updated with the freshes new memes constantly, by automatically scanning popular meme communities such as "9gag" and "reddit". This framework also opens up for a potential future system to replace the donation system, where the players can choose to pay Toady to instantly unlock certain features in the game.
Y'know, there's that language-generator addon that autist on bay12 wrote, right? It takes a corpus of text and generates a language based loosely on it.

So you could dynamically scrape 4chan/9gag/reddit/encyclopediadramatica/your favorite usenet newgroups and feed it into that.

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>>155956096
It might help to have a couple of companions who can spread rumors of your badassery for you.

>>155955050
I guess this counts as the entrance to my fort at the moment.

>>155956642
I want this

>>155957157
Apparently he stopped working on it shortly after he made it, so it only works (currently) for .34.xx

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119625.0

>>155957263
Or, my bad, I can't read, supposedly it works for 40.xx. Might even work with 43.xx, though that may be stretching it. The good news is RAWs are just text so if it's missing words that were added since it was last updated you could probably fill them in manually or at least put back in the defaults.

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>>155948662
So what's the backstory behind the "oooooooh" again?

>>155953932
>lolbertarian and weefeelady
I has a sad.

>>155956096
Sing and dance and recruit them as performers

>they're looking baffled as you lead them into the wilderness
>'trust me, this gig is gonna be amazing'
>tower comes into view
>"seems kinda small"
>'don't worry, this venue is always packed'
>then the zombies start pouring out
>'rabid fanbase'
>their faces when you clear out the crowd and bust out a brilliant performance for the necromancers
>'alright, next stop, the spire of Malignskewer!'

>>155956971
>>155957787
I was actually asking for the version, but I just went and found it myself. Thanks for the advice anyway. I might try to start a travelling troupe of murderous poets just for laughs.

Honestly, my biggest gripe with current adventure mode is more that no one ever attacks you. Even approaching a heavily armed camp, declaring your intentions to kill everyone there, and lopping the head off the nearest goblin will just have people commenting on how terrible it is.

At least when I was sneaking around throwing rocks at people there was the risk of getting caught to keep me entertained.

>>155958710
I played a game where I attempted to wipe out the entire population of a small region using only one adventurer. I documented it in a different /vg/ thread, used only a large copper dagger, and killed ~7,000 people before I finally ran out of places to go.

Nobody attacks you. Nobody cares. Nobody in the entire world gives a single shit. People were surprised when I was posting it, part-by-part, because all I had to do was press A-a-d-b to stab people in the head, about 7,000 times. Never attacked by any human, any dwarf, any elf, or any goblin.

Adventure mode criminals SUCK.

>>155959089
>A a d b 7000 times

Yeah, this is my complaint exactly. I really like the combat changes (thank FUCK for the attack/movespeed split and the different attack styles are nice for flavor) but it's impossible to get a good fight.

Best case scenario you fail to murder someone on the first stab and instead they punch you in the head, tearing the upper spine tissue through the steel helm and you suffocate to death. It's not fun.

>>155959380
No, no, people don't fight back even. I couldn't get a single dwarf or human to attack me after being attacked. Them and their entire population would either stay neutral or start to flee at a slower rate than me. Clearing towns was genuinely a matter of walking from person-to-person and listening to everyone say "It is terrible" as their friends get their throats gouged, their limbs torn off, their organs systematically destroyed, or their bones all broken by an +alder wood crutch+.

>>155959089
>Nobody in the entire world gives a single shit
That's not entirely true. They DO care a lot, and witnesses will break into tears and occationally break down and crouch up on the floor.

They just won't do anything. Of course, when we have the proper justice system in adv mode, this is the way we want civilians to behave. It's not like every witness of a murder IRL instantly becomes a murder machine set on taking down the perpetrator. I mean, some of them should probably try to wrestle you to the ground or take your weapon, but that should be about it.

>>155959674
Completely fair. I take back a statement-- I think there were certain military dwarves who would fight against me sometimes, occasionally just fleeing. I wouldn't mind those types sprinkled throughout towns more evenly rather than being just in certain sites.

>>155959546
Not the guy you're replying to but I can usually get somebody to fight me if I don't wound them too severely on the first blow

The issue is that a free first hit will usually win you the fight in DF due to how fragile everyone is

>>155959774
Yeah, it's worse with mods, though I did apply the tougher materials to gobs too, which makes them surprisingly hardy.

I've got pretty significant changes to my entities and such though, but the passive bystanders aren't something I encounter as much, but I've been on a hero kick since the bandit changes.

You can definitely interrupt a robbery, disarm a bandit, pass it to a nearby farmer and start a lynch mob.

Just needs the game to get to that point where you are mugging someone, their friend is dead, weapon laying there, one of the locals looks at the weapon, back up at you, then bends over to pick it up.

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Does Dwarf Fortress have vaporave?

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>>155959089
Pic related. Would take about 6 minutes to scroll from bottom to top AFAIK, and this was at about 3,500 kills.

I probably should have posted some more of it to /dfg/ but meh

>>155960472
there was a vaporwave tileset by that one anon

>>155959380
>it's impossible to get a good fight.
That's not true, but the game places a hefty burden on the player to know himself and his foes so you can even begin to start searching for evenly matched combat. It's the polar opposite of level-scaled RPGs in that regard. Dwarf Fortress does not scale to your level.

>Best case scenario you fail to murder someone on the first stab and instead they punch you in the head, tearing the upper spine tissue through the steel helm and you suffocate to death. It's not fun.
For that, I'm really tempted to say git gud. Because what you describe seems to be how a noob might experience adventurer mode combat in the latest version. You can reliably onehit enemies only if you have boring OP character (presumably started as a demigod; played once; not much experience on the pragmatic meaning of each attribute and skill) and conversely, if such a character is played skillfully, nothing will one-hit-kill you. Now that observer is much easier to level and the speed system seems to be slightly better balanced, it's easier to anticipate and defend against mortal blows than ever before.

>>155959380
>but it's impossible to get a good fight.
There are two sure-fire ways to get good "classic" dungeon crawl fights.

>find a vault
Angels will always be happy to attack you, and they'll never try to escape, like most other enemies.

>find a world gen dorf fort occupied by gobbos
Those always seem to house an exceptional number of gobbo soldiers, and due to their [ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:REQUIRED] token, they'll always be hostile. Just remember that the dwarves still living in the fort will hate you for killing their oppressors.

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Got them set up chitchatting, now to grab the other pair of hedgehog demons!

>>155963158
>he's actually doing it

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FB pulled a child down the well. Now everyone wil have a bad thought every time they use the well. I guess that's just a incentive to keep up a steady booze production.

>generate world
>no human civs
>human adventurer option is still there, but only as outsider

If it weren't for the fact that I can't even make clothes out of leather or anything I think it'd be kind of cool to play as the only human in the world. But I don't want to be eternally naked.

>>155964761
Seeing as though you've just generated the world you can copy the seeds and add crafting mods to the raws before re-genning.

Or just make some clothes at a player fort.

I'm pretty new to the game and need some help. I have a fucking kobold thief running around in my fort, and of course i didn't have any traps or weapons made yet. Trying to find the answer online says once they get spotted they just flee, but i have so many people running in and out of the base that if the thief gets close to the door, someone just scares him back into the base.

Infinite loop of interrupted tasks.
How the fuck do i get rid of him?

>>155964857
Assign literally anyone to a military squad then send them after the poor bastard. Any civilian dwarf can easily punch a kobold to death on his own.

>>155965085
good to know, thanks

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Trump (the fart noise, not the insane person)

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>>155955416
Timbukdrew does that all the time.

>looking on one map corner where goblin sieges spawn
>few piles of clothing I somehow unclaimed before
>standard goblin outfits material
>checked more details - fit for Trolls
I didn't know Trolls can wear clothes

>>155964856
A really desperate option: you can edit reactions which aren't used much in fort mode, as long as the name is the same the rest can be changed. I've done this with worlds I generated for fort mode and wanted to explore later.

>>155963348
Yup, though one of the hedgies didn't want to stay put so I had to go back over and properly destroy the spire when I brought them back this time. I left some of it intact so they returned there, the other one stayed at the camp like I wanted her to.

>>155966803
With any luck.

>>155966803
>2016
>typing spoiler tags
Just hit ctrl+s.

Where do you newfags even get the idea of typing them manually, I can't even remember the time 4chan didn't have its native extension.

>>155950652
Chill dude. You have zinc ores.

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>>155966662
he draws the game he wants DF to be

he also predicted animal people joining the civs

>>155967470
>can't remember the time before native extension
>calls other people newfags

>>155968635
It's also not the obvious choice if you've got ctrl+s as a reflex to save shit, what's next, ctrl+c [c]hanges the board style, ctrl+v expands all images to full [v]iewport size, ctrl+w opens the file bro[w]ser, and ctrl+t switches to the next [t]hread?

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>>155968635
>>155967470
>being proud of having been active on a ghanan indie film facebook group before it went mainstream, back when only social misfits and sperglords used it

>>155968635
Please respect your elders, grampa is old and senile. I honestly haven't got the slightest memory when the native extension was added. I had been using the original wrathfilledhate 4chan extension since its inception, so it's not like it was a notable change for me.

>>155967470
sorry

>>155969118
>back when
>implying

>>155968490
>predicted animal people joining the civs
wow, what an amazing prediction, nobody saw that one coming

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Where can I find Dwarf Fortress tiddies?

>>155970350
Go ask your mom

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>>155970331
>wow, what an amazing prediction, nobody saw that one coming
wow, what an amazing sense of sarcasm, nobody saw that coming

Seriously, I didn't expect it until Toady mentioned it in the devlogs.

>>155969142
Heh, we may be the same age, as I never used the original extension but do easily remember when it didn't exist. I didn't use it because I liked Firefox 1 and didn't want to switch to Firefox 2. It upsets me that modern 4chan isn't backwards compatible with the browsers which were around back then.

And since this is dfg and not 4chan oldfag general I'll mention that I've been playing DF since 38c and leave it as an exercise for the newfags out there to figure out what that even means. Don't worry, it shouldn't be too hard.

>>155970447
I'm disappointed in you, anon.

benis

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>>155970518

>>155970469
I don't know anything about old DF versions, I've only been playing since 0.31.

But I can't help wondering why 0.28 is often referred to as 40d. Why use the least significant part of the version string?

>>155970469
>It upsets me that modern 4chan isn't backwards compatible with the browsers which were around back then.
What do you mean it's not? It should be, excluding webms and maybe some of the javascript crap. Without the extension, 4chan frontend is still the same as futaba.

>>155952531
It's fun. You can name your dwarfs after the friends you use to see.

>>155961893
You presume too much. I've always preferred adventure mode over fortress and played it extensively, since I started playing back in 2010(?). I just don't think it's terribly fun in its current incarnation. The combat and speed system are both better, I agree, and I enjoy the way damage works slightly better. My gripe isn't with how hard adventure mode is - quite the opposite, since the majority of people don't attack you on sight it's absurdly easy to rack up kills. Monsters work fine but I can never seem to get reliable directions to lairs. The new conversation system is sort of neat but really, really needs a decent search function. Or even to be organized in the order that events occur appearing at the top of the list when trying to spread rumors. I really liked the old "talk to peasant, get peasant quests, kill minor monsters, talk to lord, get better, lordly quest, build army, slowly depopulate the world of criminals/monsters, eventually kill everyone. It had a sense of progress and progression.

I start as a demigod to minimize grinding. I was exaggerating the point on the getting one-shot with a punch as an in-joke with myself. My last adventurer had his happen to him in a brawl. He died choking on the cold city streets in the middle of a market. It was poetic.

>boring OP character
I remember when this general considered you a scrub if you didn't wrestle a rabbit until you had maxed out every physical stat, what happened?

>nothing will one-hit kill you if played (skillfully)
I've gotten an adventurer in the current version up to legendary observer/pikeman/dodger with superhuman toughness and, while fighting 3 or 4 people at once, ate a bolt to the head and died (my pike was embedded so no bat out of air/deflection/dodge). It's more accurate to say you won't get one-hit in melee, but occasionally someone will get lucky anyway. Which is how it should be, really.

tl;dr- I'm pissy because I want new damage/wounds with old-style questing.

>>155973748

Yeah the search function is basically broken. Like I should be able to type "goblin" and have goblins appear but instead it randomly lists like "Spread the rumor of Ilral Heatshined the Blazing Furnaces of Gems's presence in the Hills of Banding" and stuff no matter what I type in.

And yeah the AI is utterly fucked. Old version was more fun despite being somewhat less realistic since people incl. farm animals would all attack you. But now they just stand there or flee despite outnumbering you 100 to 1. In real life people would call guards and the even civilian men of the village would probably tackle you down and rip your weapons away.

>>155973748
The fame changes and quest fixes are a big step in bringing that back already.

>>155921594
>>155921873
>>155953932
>>155933034
Ok, jokes apart, Is this how america is? can any american tell me exactly why please?
It's really fucking scary

>>155975123

Not really sure but in America there's this thing about "not giving a fuck" like it's considered cool/good to not care about things and think of everything ironically and from a detached point of view. Maybe you've heard the term "tryhard" used as an insult lol.

I guess people also feel vulnerable and scared to express emotions or reach out to people so everyone puts on a mask.

>>155975123
Dude, just watch an American sitcom. The trademark characteristics of those are
>1. a total disregard for other peoples' feelings
>2. a division of people into certain stereotypes, where each person in a group is expected to fulfill a certain role, only use a certain jargon et cetera
>3. the constant need to laugh, both at other people and at yourself, effectively distancing you from anything that might have actual meaning
Now, I'm not saying that all interaction between Americans is like in the sitcoms, but it wouldn't surprise me if the American "humour" industry had an effect on it.

>>155975373
This is pretty accurate. Sincerity is pretty hard to come by in our society, it makes people uncomfortable.
>>155975423
>the constant need to laugh at others and ourselves
This too.

>>155921109
>>155921594
>>155953932
>>155921873
>>155951713
>>155952531
>>155954534
>>155954963
>>155975829
>>155975423
>>155975373
Im genuinely sorry for all of you, that is something horrible in general
not even being sarcastic, sorry

>>155975123
Irony is the downfall of our society.

Post-irony is worse.

No one says what they actually mean and sharing feelings is haram unless you're in a dedicated relationship. Love between friends is gay. Talking to people about your emotions will make them very uncomfortable. Getting talked to about emotions will make you very uncomfortable.

This leads to people trying to express themselves to literally anyone who might give even sort of a shit, leading to the attention-whoring tumblr girls, which reinforces the rest of us to keep our shit to ourselves.

Basically, we've become Britain.

>>155976187
>Irony is the downfall of our society.
That's pretty ironic to be honest

>>155975423
>>155975829
I should probably mention that while I used the American entertainment industry as an example, I'm really noticing this in the everyday interactions between people in my country(Sweden).

Then, American popular culture is really popular here, so it wouldn't suprise me if it had some influence.

Of course, the attitude is most manifest in the 4chan meme culture, where memes are used to completely detach yourself from anything serious. Someone wrote a wall of text? Just respond with something snarky like "too long didn't read".

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>first fortress
>4x4 embark
>have a decent fort going
>200+ dwarves

>>>>can't find any bloody iron
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>embark still feels too small

Shazbot

>>155976485
>shazbot

Go home grandpa.

Are you running that on a quantum computer? What's your fps?

>>155976673
35
No idea where the processing power is being wasted, though.
Must be the animals.

If I chuck them in a pit or put them in a pasture, will that disable their pathfinding, or do I have to cage them?

Im actually writing a suggestion for the forums on sociology and interlevel relationships and group values, that, if executed properly, would give the dwarves the chance of becoming like you americans. I don't know If I want that
but it'd also give racism thou

>>155977089
That sounds pretty interesting. Can I get a link?

>>155966123
#how #can #he #even #recover

>>155975123
>>155976104

You're asking for generalizations about a massive and diverse nation's social dynamics from the denizens of the spergiest corner of a website famous for its socially maladapted inhabitants. This is the birthplace and ancestral homeland of the neckbeard basement dweller. Do you honestly think you're going to get an answer from anyone who is even remotely qualified to speak on the subject? Hell, one of the people who replied to you even admitted he wasn't from the US.

Let me give you an answer that should have been obvious to everyone who participated in the discussion. There are over 300 million people in the US, from many backgrounds, many generations, with many points of view and many differing personalities. Hundreds of millions of individuals. They all have relationships of varying degress of intimacy with variably diverse social groups. No one here can tell you how Americans express their emotions because hundreds of millions of individuals with hundreds of millions of unique identities and personalities will result in hundreds of millions of unique biographies with hundreds of millions of different types and degrees of emotional expression. We aren't some monolithic American whose psychological profile can be summed up by a couple of throwaway sentences on an image board any more than the minds of the citizens of any other country could be.

>>155976963
>No idea where the processing power is being wasted

You have 205 dwarves. That's where it's going.

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Until now, I didn't know that Kobold Quest had more enemies than the adventurers.

Has anyone encountered anything but adventurers?

>>155979494
205 dwarves, 150+ animals and god knows what else all on a 4x4 embark. I'm surprised he has more than 10 fps.

>>155977824
Im sorry bro, but Im picky as fuck with my work. until I know its over, I won't post it in the forums
apreciate it, thou
just for u:
The racism part is a little disertation on how will opinions between individuals be related to the groups they both belong too
For example, having two normal individuals from the same civ take relationship with a member from another civ that never wears pants, as the ethics from the first two guys completely negate nudism(civ values), they'll probably notice this particular behaviour themselves.
Imagine enough people from the original civ notice this pants-lacking and comments it to the original pair, by only having met about 3 people from that civ, and through gossiping, they could asume all members from the second civ don't wear pants. This asumption could be translated to the whole first civ, (although more nudists sigthings would be needed) through extended gossiping
This would be important with diplomacy, as most plebeians have never seen their neighbour's country king, but somehow now how does he live and how he is

>>155970350
There was a succubus mod once

>>155979372
Although I agree with each of your points, I wasn't asking for a complex input on how all americans behave, I was asking for the general consensus and social climate on emotion-showing and sincerity in your country
I know it doesn't represent the whole citizenship, and that in many places is not the rules, but it's the rule on most of your country, and it doesn't take much more than a normal guy to notice it
Here in my country there are a lot of problems, but the general opinion on being sincere and having emotions is not culturally frowned upon
That's what shocked me

>>155979594
I don't know how to play that game desu

So there is no any use for Plum Helmet Men?

They are not even treating enough to need to be killed and or be good for army training.

>>155976329

I dunno, although there is a lot of degredation and insulting in imageboard culture, I feel like the anonymity allows us to discuss our feels together as well.

>>155981003
Of course. I didn't mean imageboard culture as much as meme culture.

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>>155981003
I'll have some longland beer, innkeeper. I'll need it.

>>155979594
Okay, disregard my question. I just found out that the adventurers got kills after fucking up your cave, and that those kills picked creatures from those raws.

I knew that the surviving adventurers kept adventuring, but I didn't know that you could read their kill lists.

>>155980115
America went from looking up to big men with cowboy swagger and folksy sounding "wisdom", who had a capable and essentially opinionless housewife at home, 2.7828 kids, at least half a dog, a couple cars, and a pool...

To looking "up" at reality tv "stars", normally after visiting a place like New Jersey you would expect the nation it is part of to be horrified and do their best to hide it, instead we tried to glamorize it.

We've got a generation that has decided the rights movements of the past were neat and all, but nobody has a right to hurt someone else's feelings.

Naturally this is a very touchy-feely emotional type of social... whatever the fuck it is, so rather than doing the usual "goddamn idiot kids" and dismissing their stupidity there is a weird sort of backlash where the emotional acknowledgement and safety they're demanding has taken on an air of distaste, so we ended up ditching the swagger part of the cowboy archetype in favor of keeping the "cool and collected poker face" in public, with the option to let it slip where we feel it may be appropriate.

Oh, did I mention the whole "straight guys being uncomfortable around gay guys, but 'secretly' lots of them get blowjobs and whatnot and just pretend nobody notices" thing, which leads to another layer of projected macho attitude.

You can weep if someone kills your parents and your 15+ year old dog, but only if they did it by crashing your truck into somewhere sacred like a xtian church or walmart.

>>155980115
>but it's the rule on most of your country
It's not. You're no more qualified to come to that determination than anyone else in this thread. You're listening to the opinions of a handful of dwarf fortress players making a generalization about an entire country's population. If they honestly believe the things they've said in this thread, they are probably exemplars of the stereotype of dwarf fortress players and/or 4chan; neurotic, socially-awkward misfits projecting their weaknesses and insecurities on the world at large, blaming millions of faceless oppressors for their failure to have a meaningful emotional connection to the world around them while they sit in a dark room playing with virtual dwarves. It was inevitable.
Furthermore, if you actually believe the absurd things they've said in this thread, then I have to wonder if you aren't exemplifying the typical anti-American sentiment that seems so prevalent among 4chan's European users, only too ready for your confirmation bias to be indulged.

>>155981736
>they are probably exemplars of the stereotype of dwarf fortress players and/or 4chan; neurotic, socially-awkward misfits projecting their weaknesses and insecurities on the world at large, blaming millions of faceless oppressors for their failure to have a meaningful emotional connection to the world around them while they sit in a dark room playing with virtual dwarves. It was inevitable.
The thing is, they probably are. The generalisations work both ways, and none of them are wrong.

>>155981736
Full disclosure: there is a lot of tongue in my cheek while I was writing the post before this one, but I didn't make it up whole cloth. Living in Texas, the Appalachians, going coast to coast, there is a fuckton of variation in certain things, and there are things that are always present.

There is always a cluster of truckstops and gas stations even if most of the rest of a community is further from the highway. There are always rows of streets and houses of various sizes with front and back lawns, a strip of sidewalk running through it, and most likely a church within, let's call it a mile of whichever neighborhood you're in.

There's always a walmart somewhere, lurking, waiting to pounce and feed.

There are so many cars you could be mistaken for thinking the average american was in fact a mid-sized automobile.

There is always a matching set of a "run down" trailer park and a "nice new" trailer park across the highway/tracks/creek/etc.

You get the idea, there is a shit ton of stuff which doesn't resemble shit you find anywhere else in the country, but just beyond it is familiar suburbia, and a good sized population of the stereotypical males I was describing residing within.

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>>155981537

Is the setting temperature etc. things joke or I'm supposed to really wait about them? And if yes, how long? Also why do the years change too.

>>155982561
>thinking the average American was in fact a mid-sized automobile

I understood this reference

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>>155982786

>>155981736

>you can't generalize anything
>these are dwarf fortress players they are all the same

Honestly generalizations exist for a reason, and are often based on reality.

>>155979494
>>155979649
What are you supposed to do?
Kill all your dwarves?

>>155983275
Refresh my memory, I probably heard it but don't actually know where I got it from myself?

>>155983293
I remember learning to play the trumpet and that last bit fucked me up pretty hard.

Therapist for newest version WHEN, hate trying to play without it, until then I play older version, also is it possible to make underground plants grow all the time in save? Or do I have to make new world.

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So does anyone here have the access to an older version of the original Armok game? Supposedly the older versions had towns and shit, but the last version removed almost all features for some reason. Anyone have a version of Armok 1 where the towns are still in?

If yes, would you mind uploading it somewhere?

>>155982107
>and none of them are wrong.
Yes, some of them are wrong. If anything, the US is excessively emotional, plagued by too much sincerity. Our country's politics have been steered by sincere emotional expression since the advent of the television took the task of selecting our nation's leaders out of our brain and shoved it firmly into our glands. Social media has become an incredible amplifier of the volume of sincere emotional expression. If you're smart, eloquent, or if you can merely scream loud enough, then your sincere emotional expression will be heard on the other side of the country. The only filters remaining on Americans' sincere emotional expression belong to the suburban white males referenced by >>155982561, and that's only because the sincere emotional expression of others has made it overwhelmingly unfashionable to express sincere negative emotions about people with a skin tone south of ecru. Frankly, I'd love to go a day without being bombarded by the sincere emotional expressions of the people around me, both familiars and strangers. The whole country could stand to have cold logic steer it for a year or four, instead of the sincere emotional expressions of the mob. It is my sincere emotional expression that anyone who can't see that the US is practically and sincerely hysterical must be a lunatic.

>>155982972
Please RESPOND

>>155983951

I don't think you understand what sincere means. The emotion on (social) media is not sincere.

I feel bad for you honestly.

>>155983496
Don't get as many to begin with.

>>155982972
>>155984002
What are you talking about? World generation?

>>155983951
>sincere

>>155984503
Yes

>>155984170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-QccNGgBOo

>>155983496
Set lower population caps in your config files.

>>155983924
I'd really like an answer here. I always hear these rumours about all the crazy content the old game had, that Toady suddenly removed when he decided to rework the core mechanics, leaving us with the sad Tree Hunting simulator that Armok currently is, in its latest version.

TL;DR: PLS RESPOND

>>155984170
While I (clearly) wasn't referring exclusively to social media, I disagree. Social media puts a layer of separation between an expression and its audience. It insulates the expressor from the immediate consequence of their expression. It's the same effect that anonymity has here, albeit somewhat diminished. Face to face contact impresses etiquette, courtesy, procedure on tje actors, the trappings of society that stifle sincerity. Today, though, people can express ideas and feelings on facebook or twitter that would've been socially unacceptable 20 years ago, and that breaching of boundaries in turn echoes back into our first-person contact, erodes those filters that once kept us proper, or meek, or civil. Social media has had an enormous impact on the honesty of people in this country (and I suspect on most developed countries as well, though I can only speculate), who've made a custom of curating their identities in public. Sincerity in the US is at an all-time high, and it's transforming the public discourse.