/evn/ - English Visual Novels

>>155664082
>goddess is more detailed than everyone else
while the thing looks silly, that's a nice detail

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>open project today
>gameplay parts don't work
>can't remember what I did to it two days ago to break it
if this is a sign, I would like to request another sign

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A cat is fine too, right?

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So she's going to become batman now, right? And not suffer?

>>155667631
>After her dad's friend adopts her (and probably dies, he's sickly and shit, right), Sarah spends his money on a set of expensive victorian BDSM gear and runs a "boarding house for girls who have been really bad" next door to miss Minchin, completely ruins her reputation and runs her out of business until despondent miss Minchin comes to Sarah and becomes her sex slave.

>>155668737
>implying her dad's friend is going to die anytime soon

He has so much to live for*, even what I assume is either TB or diabetes won't keep him down

* Thick lascar dick

>>155669814
alright, him and his indian fuccboi can stay in the shed or something

>>155665954
Can you pet the cat?

>>155670679
Yes but the cat bullies you

>>155665807

Time to start over!

>>155676321
One on the left seems skinny. Put some meat on her arms.

>>155676321

How is Queen of Thieves? I was wondering if I should chuck the thirty-odd dollars at them.

Is there a way to make notes in renpy in a different color than red? Or aside from using #? I want to differentiate between notes about unfinished parts and notes about stage directions.

>>155678512
just use tools --> style editor

and if you need to differentiate notes, use larger amounts of #

>>155676321
I'm just loving that background.

Almost seems like I saw it somewhere before in a WW game.

>>155679794
Thanks, will do

>>155665954
Butler cats, always

>>155664082
>read the thread it's from
>guy says he spent two years on this
>also says it's 30 minutes long
I legit felt bad.

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Important question:

Why is this man's head so big?

>From Christine Love's twitter:
>After four years of development, Ladykiller in a Bind will be out on September 23 for $30.

WOOOOOOAH NELLY

I'll fork out that money for your gorgeous bgs/gui/ and new fangled timed choice gameplay system

I'll even fork out the money for those monstrous but lol-athon artwork

but I can't and refuse to pay that much for a game I KNOW is going to shove down my throat with your dumb ass politics.

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>mfw trying to decide what to charge for project

>>155684747

It was moved to october, wasn't it?

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Shitty dungeon crawler dev back with some more primo progress. Today I made an inventory system, depicted here as a creepy face grinning down at you from top left. If I'd actually bothered drawing any inventory icons, you'd get a nice visual list of the five whole items you can carry at a time via little pictures at the top of the screen. Also the shopkeeper works now, more or less.

Lastly, to the Etrian Odyssey anon from last night, I'm glad you drew the connection (and the maps). I also got pretty sucked into EO when it came out and this is sort of my homage to the series. I'll definitely be going for the shoddy homebrew aesthetic, so hopefully it's to your liking.

don't die

>>155693941
I do what I want

Why don't you all collaborate on a single thing or something

>>155695543
Too many cooks spoil the broth, especially when the cooks fundamentally disagree on their philosophies of cooking. Together we'd end up making something along the lines of Sweet Sundae Ramen.

>>155695543
My ideas are better than anyone else's

I would take free art though

>>155695740
Then don't make a single broth. Make several. Make a VN with many small stories that are seemingly unrelated that tie together by the end.

>>155695543
3 people here already did, they made tuesday

Would you play a VN with a christmas cake heroine that was molested and raped at the age of 12?

>>155698310
>christmas cake heroine
Of fucking cour--

>molested and raped at the age of 12
Nevermind. Not my kind of "drama".

>>155698427
>Nevermind. Not my kind of "drama"
It's probably not the kind of drama you think it is.

>>155698310
>>155698492
do I get to play as her

>>155698535
No.

>>155698310
does mc say my lady and tell her to eat all the eggs

>>155698671
Is this a fetish?

>>155698635
then no, that doesn't sound too interesting

I want to play as the victim of the trauma more than I want the victim of the trauma to be involved in circumstances around who I'm playing as

>>155698767
You are victim of a different trauma. And her trauma isn't really the focus of her route, not directly anyway.

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More quick and dirty NPC sprites. I don't even know what the lanternkeeper does but she's in the game now.

Don't die; post progress.

>>155698870
does her trauma exist so you can explain whatever flaw you gave her. "i can't trust anon and eat these eggs because i... was raeped!"

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Can anyone link me to some good sci-fi VNs? Preferably cyberpunk.

>>155695543
i'm already working on a game called missing stars

>>155701515
more like Missing Progress amirite :^)

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>>155701629

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>>155699656
And a background. The whole town is now operational, vaguely.

dude fuck

i can't post editing progress

Wow, it's like, really dead over here.

>>155707975
Why do you seem surprised by that?

>>155695740
>that one pic from /ck/ about how you can only microwave a bowl of ramen so many times before it begins questioning it's own existence

>>155711021
my eyes

>>155711021
I like how that font fucks up in some places.
It's also impossible to rescale it I believe.

As a player, how would you feel about being locked out of a girls entire route based on one arbitrary choice at the start of the game? Literally the second choice in the game of whether or not you read a book for a few more minutes.

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>>155711308
That's mainly to do with how Ren'Py handles scaling down into windows.

So the same thing in its full 1080p doesn't suffer the same kind of font issues. There are one or two workarounds with regards to nearest neighbour versus bilinear scaling but generally you begin to see issues, particularly with rasterization, around 0.6-0.75 scaling

can we all stop posting progress and just go back to being a bunch of depressed cunts

>>155711549
sounds fine honestly. most people decide who theyre pursuing early i think

>putting all this shitty sad piano elevator music into my vn

it's a thankless job but someone has to do it

Okay, which game should I make today?

>>155714042
A good one

>>155714148
define "good"

>>155714042
Drakengard: EVN Edition

>>155715975
>Drakengard
So, guro-hentai evn?
MC will loose her eye because of skullfuck?

>>155712135
aight

http://www.indiedb.com/games/introvert

thoughts on this Russian project?

>>155717472
>Dagestan Technology
kys

>>155717615
What's wrong with that? What's the problem here.

>>155717702
DT is a DEVGRU-P level meme publisher

>>155718103
Both of those publishers published something, and you are still nodev.

ded

>>155703518
>>155699656

Your aesthetic is vaguely Hussie, which I honestly don't mind.

>>155711549
>As a player, how would you feel about being locked out of a girls entire route based on one arbitrary choice at the start of the game

Does the choice determine whether or not your character is homosexual

>>155712578

Man there's so much decent stock royalty free music out there why you gotta lay that elevator muzak on you

>>155722591
It does not

>>155721986
Very ded.

What games have cool pack opening animations, other than fifa and hearthstone? I need to steal some ideas for my game

>>155730340
>Implying you can trace those animations
Please, just use static box image.

>>155724993
i honestly don't know what else to play during "characters walk down a path chatting about inane bullshit"

>>155730809

Something airy and light with strings or woodwind

Piano is only for sad shit nowadays

you knoe what's a decent vn that no one ever talks about? brilliant shadows

>>155730809

Here anon

http://www.purple-planet.com/fun/4583971361

All of that shit is free to get and use

>>155731357
wow thanks some of these are really nice.

>>155731618

And they have strings and/or woodwind!

Check out the other categories as well, there's so much good free music out there.

>>155731018
thats because its not decent
entire plot takes a backseat to MC's
>WAHHH WHY IS MY FRIEND STRAIGHT? WHY CAN'T SHE JUST FORCE HERSELF TO SCISSOR WITH ME FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE???

>>155732481
that's pretty much the plot yeah but the rest was decent

>>155732481

Explain

Does anyone know how to fit a for loop into a menu in Ren'Py?

>>155732743
>everything but the plot was decent
so you're telling me that people will enjoy a visual novel simply because it has nice art/music even if the characters/plot are shit?
Guess that explains why WC are still in business.

>>155737580
nice strawman

Uh, almost lost you.

>>155711549

I honestly choices that lock things away should be fairly well obvious to the player, unless there's a SUPER SECRET involved.

Like, what does reading the book entail? Were you supposed to meet the other character later that day, but you were a little late because you stopped to read, and then SHE GOT RUN OVER BY A FUCKEN CAR?

>>155737580
not him but holding ctrl to mass-skip dialogue is something people do so yeah i guess

>>155743508
I think choices that matter/influence something should be marked overall. Similar to the witcher 3, yellow text is to advance, move onto something or make an important decision, white text is for normal dialogue choices that don't affect anything.

>>155744815

1. Go to the ice cream parlor with Alisa [EVERYONE DIES ON THIS ROUTE]
2. Flake on your date with Alisa [ONLY ALISA DIES ON THIS ROUTE]

>>155744815
That's too hand holdey for a VN where choices and branching paths are literally the only thing that would make you flex your brain a little.

>>155745917
I dunno. I suppose you could do that. Maybe create an "easy mode" which shows what the choices do/lead to on hover or something if you really want to show that.
>>155746095
I suppose so. I mean personally speaking my VN has the player go on a lot of side stories/quest sort of things, so it could work well for me if I wanted it, stories with a minor amount of branching paths or important decisions, I mean, actually I'd still like to know if that decision matters, it would encourage me to replay through and choose the other one if I knew they were different things.

Question: an emotional inclination system that changes the choices available to your character as well as changing their dialogue in certain instances y/n?

>>155748230
y good luck tho

>>155748230
i'd play that if handled right

>>155748230
Isn't that just the exact same as having points for individual characters or other actions, but masked as something different?

>>155749428

Well no, because you can have points for individual characters as well. This would be something more like trying to make the MC feel like more of a personality you have a little more control over. I'm still trying to figure it out.

I thought those text based CYOA stories on Steam had something good going for them even if it's drastically underused

>>155749916
As long as I can become a psychopath

>>155750245

Literally no point in having emotional inclinations if you can't be one desu

>>155750245
I imagine you could. It sounds like it affects how you talk/act to people as opposed to how characters act to you. If you want to be the jackass and get the girl, you could, or you could be the nice guy. Or if you want to be a crazy fuck who lights shit on fire, your guy might constantly call himself a blazing faggot to turn the girl on even more.

>>155748230
That sounds like an absolute nightmare to write.

>>155751016
Would be super easy to implement though. It would be hell to write if he had lots of things it would affect.

>>155751016

I do realize that just on the basic physical level it does mean a LOT of added text. I'm not in any rush though.

Does a female MC with male love interests automatically make a game otome?

>>155751984
No but it leans closely on the edge. It depends how's it's handled. If it's going to appeal to girls more than boys it is, but if it's written in a way to appeal to boys more than no it wouldn't be. Dating guys us just the stereotypical prime, it doesn't mean every vn with those elements is one.

>>155752315
>If it's going to appeal to girls more than boys it is, but if it's written in a way to appeal to boys more than no it wouldn't be

How do you mean?

Like, I'm a big fan of lovey-dovey stuff, angst, and drawn out romances AND CHARACTER DEATH/DESPAIR, would that appeal more to girls or boys?

>>155751984
It's actually common for otome games to have a genre focus other than romance. For example, the Hakuoki games have a historical fantasy plot that often focuses more on action and violence than romance, and that has given it a lot of "cross-over appeal" with male audiences as well, but it's most definitely still an otome game about a female MC surrounded by a bunch of bishounen samurai.

>>155752839
a game about a female MC with male love interests that has long drawn-out romantic arcs and is really heavy on angst and death or existential despair? you just described the vast majority of japanese otome games.

>>155754051
fujos are fucked up desu

>>155751984
No. By that definition, Moon would be an otome game.

>>155755335

Is it not

>>155752315

your game has:
>hot guys
>heavy action fighting plot

you'll get a lot of girls interested because of the hot guys involved in a dramatic story. Shonen Jump in Japan is notorious for having a HUGE crossover appeal with women since most shonen stories star good looking guys who get into intense fights/drama with other men/boys.

If your game has:
>all cute girls
>slice of life

It will probably have large crossover appeal with men exactly because "cute girls doing cute things" appeals to them.

>>155759098

So cute girls + action is more boys-oriented right

>>155759582
yup.

>>155731739
>there's so much good free music out there.

we should make a list of that on pastebin and make it a permanent link on the /evn/ OP

>>155759582
exactly who are you trying to appeal to, anon? Target audience?

>>155760780

I mean at the end of the day my audience is always gonna be myself first, I'm just wondering what other people are interested in

>>155761517
depends if it's all boys, all girls, a co-ed game, or traps and trannies.

>>155762442

Postapoc fantasy, co-ed, fighting-oriented, heavy angst, main character death?

>>155764430
also depends on the art style and the eye candy bait. Your audience could be evenly split.

Which: is best, yaoi, yuri or het?

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>>155767148

Yaoi > Yuri >>>>> Het

>>155767335
Yuri> Het >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.yaoi

Fixed.

>>155767148
The one you like the most.

>>155767148
Yuri dead last.

>>155767148
best way to make cash money money:
>yaoi
>traps/futa

niche markets:
>furries
>yuri

safe market, but your hentai had better be good since this market has the most competitors:
>het, both otome and bishojo games

Daily reminder that you should make a game based on what you like yourself!

>>155767680

As long as it isn't guro!

>>155767719
who the hell cares. Make a guro game if you want. Just look at Saya No Uta.

>>155768002
I assumed by guro he meant fetish games about torture, amputation, disembowelment, opening up someone's skull and fucking their brain, among other things.

>>155768313
I would be interested to see if games like that can turn over some profit. Pretty sure that has an audience.

How do I indicate that a character has left the scene, if they don't have a bg sprite (aka only a side sprite when they speak)? Do I have them fade out, or the screen go black, or what?

>>155768503
You can find plenty of JVNs like that. It's niche certainly but an audience is there.

>>155768556
"David walked away"

>>155768636
There's no narration. Just have them say bye?

>>155768852
>no narration
How does that work exactly?

>>155768556

"I should go."

>>155769079
Calm down there, Shepard.

>>155767570
>best way to make cash money money:
>yaoi

are you kidding me?

>>155769357

Dude, fujos have money

>>155769357
>Starfighter VN
>artist had no prior experience to making VNs
>made beyond 100,000 dollars on kickstarter

>Coming Out on Top
>critical darling success story
>Obscura raking that $$$, successful kickstarter was only the beginning

>>155769635
>COOT

I think she made $8000 of the original $3000 dollar goal.

>>155768974
It's dialogue only.

>>155769079
That's what I've done so far, but it's kinda weird how everyone announces when they leave. It's starting to sound like, "I'M LEAVING!"

>>155772298

I mean in real life conversations people do say they have to go when they're leaving so

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>>155665954
A kogal is fine too, right?

>>155772298
>It's dialogue only.
I just mean I have trouble imagining something like this not being extremely annoying, unless it's not a pure VN.

>>155772456
I can see pantsu

>>155772681
Gals into gyaru fashion aren't exactly known for their uptight puritan values.

>>155772648
So far no one has read it, but if someone tells me it's annoying after reading it, I'll add narration.

>>155772456
> not kuro gyaru, the superior version of gyaru.

>>155772456
YEsss every day.

>>155773174
I bet you like full blown ganguro, too.

How do I pick a font that doesn't suck

>>155773998

Pick a sans serif font for anything except titles

Make sure it's legible and doesn't actively offend your eyes - if it doesn't offend yours, it probably won't offend your readers'

Copperplate Gothic is the public whore of fonts

>>155769635
>>artist had no prior experience to making VNs
they had a huge webcomic following.

>COOT

where are they raking it in...? serious question.

>>155767148
Shota x Cowtits > Futa Cowtits x Normal Cowtits >>> *

>>155773998
>>155774278
>if it doesn't offend yours, it probably won't offend your readers'
I've seen enough god awful font choices to not put much stock in this statement alone. Make sure to get second opinions.

>>155774278
>Copperplate Gothic is the public whore of fonts
Is that good or bad?

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>mfw reading writing from 6 months ago
BURN IT

>>155778608
That just means you're improving, anon.

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>mfw reading writing from 6 days ago
BURN IT

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>mfw reading writing from 6 hours ago
BURN IT

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>tfw seeing drawings from 6 minutes ago
I can live with this.

Do you know what day it is? It's progress day, post your progress.

>>155778608
>>155779542
Really? My feel is more like EDIT THE FUCK OUT OF IT

>>155779653
Anon, I know you're new around here, but you really need to stop trying to force progress posts. This is a very, very slow general. Progress posts are few and far between, and more often than not they'll be posted regardless of people encouraging it.
You posting your own progress is enough.

Has anyone heard about the mods for Sakura Dungeon. Apparently a modder created a mod to make the game more challenging and to vary the gameplay more. He also created another mod to add in more dialogue, so that your favorite monster girl gets a certain amount of character development. Now I wish I would've waited until playing it. I don't plan to replay it though, since once was enough.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/407330/discussions/0/360671247403417700/

And did Winged Cloud give up on patching the game? The fixes have been stuck in the beta branch since the game launched which was months ago.

>>155779992
Ah, sorry. I'll give it a rest.

>>155779992
Eh, I'm fine with them trying encourage progress posting. Sure it'll most likely fall on deaf ears, but it could get some to post who otherwise might not have.

>>155780313
Don't worry about it.

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>>155780313
Wasn't trying to complain about it, just giving you a friendly pointer. I for one found it rather cute.

>>155779992
Calm down, anon. Nothing wrong with a little encouragement.

>>155780857
>calm down
what part of any of that seemed aggressive to you?

>>155780950
please stop yelling anon

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>>155780367
>>155780504
Aw, shucks. Thanks, anons. I certainly didn't take any offense.

Inventory icons are working, and they can be bought and sold for money with a custom screen. Next up: the starvation meter. Should I have it give the player's exact hunger value, or a more visually intuitive shorthand like an HP bar made of turkey legs?

>>155781495
you are the hero this general doesn't deserve

>>155781495
Well, does knowing the exact hunger matter (if, say, you spend it to attack, it might)? Otherwise I'd go with either your visuals or maybe a one word description (Hunger: Full or starving or whatnot).

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>>155781495
>Next up: the starvation meter.
You should make it a tummy meter instead.

>>155782259
>That pic
How can evn compete?

>>155784346
Don't worry, anon, it's not a JVN either. It's a roguelike.

my stomach hurts so baf

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>>155785091
Here, have some food!

>>155782094
Currently, the hunger element is just a counter that dwindles as the player mucks about, acting as a limited resource. Eventually it will kill them, hopefully adding a bit of urgency.

>>155781757
I think /evn/ deserves a little better than my silly scribbles, but I'll keep doing my best.

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>>155786558
ganbatte!

ded

wake up

>>155792271
>woke up
>no cute trap in my bed
Why live?

>>155792271
CAN'T WAKE UP

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We're starting on concept art for, well, the art. I just feel like posting the first drawing here.

I haven't worked in digital media for over a year, so I'm gonna have to completely re-learn this shit as we go.

>>155795031
Post tits.

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>>155795068
About as mature a response as I expected

I thought I might try digital art for the first time (been drawing with felt-tip pens for the past few months) so I bought a cheap-ass wacom for $60 and holy geez how do you guys train yourself to look at the screen and draw based on what you see without looking at your hand. Like I'll move the pen and see the line being drawn across the screen but can't FEEL it, you know? It's like I'm drawing, but with hands that have no sensation of touch.

Do I just need to practice with this thing more? Because it's really demoralizing to have to struggle to draw even basic shapes, I feel like all my circles are coming out as squiggly messes and I can't make a confident stroke to save my life.

>>155795389
>Do I just need to practice with this thing more?
Yeah. Stop whining and keep doing, that's all there is to it.

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>>155795389
You get used to it. It's just a matter of practice. You know how you walk without looking at your feet? It becomes like that.

>>155795542
>Not looking at your feet while walking
Nigga u wot?

>>155743508
In reading the book you choose to essentially skip class, so you end up meeting with the delinquent girl rather than the shy one.

Yeah, I know practice is ultimately what will get me more comfortable, I guess what I'm wondering is whether there are any "modifications" I can make to ease the transition. like maybe something to give me a bit more friction between the pen and the tablet, so it doesn't feel like I'm always a smooth piece of plastic against a smooth plastic surface.

Mostly my gripe isn't that "this is hard" and "this isn't something I'm instantly good at," I get that it's a skill that you need to learn, it's more the fact that felt-tip drawing just felt "fun" in an inexplicable way from the first time I tried it even when I was bad at it, and the tablet just feels frustrating. I think I just wish it was more tactile, I don't think that moving to a screen-based tablet like the Cintiq would help any.

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>>155795598
Are you telling me you have to look at your feet while you walk?

>>155795674
Well I suppose you could somehow turn up the pressure threshold so that you have to press hard, but that'd wear out your nibs very fast.

A problem you could be having is that the aspect ratio between your input and the screen is fucked up.

The kickstarter for LMR starts today.
Any bets/predictions on how it'll go?

>>155796172
>Implying slavs pay for games.

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>>155795674
If I had any of them, I'd show you my old drawings. I was really bad at tablet for a long time. Always save your art.

>>155796172
What's LMR?

>>155796362
Light Machine Rum

>>155796450
>Light Machine Rum
A quick google search yields nothing. I need deets nigg.

>>155796508
Love, Music, Rock&Roll.

>>155796362
Love, Money, Rock'n'Roll

>>155796362
Last Minute Resistance. It's when you're trying to get someone to fuck you but then at the last minute they decide "oh i'm not that kind of girl" or "sorry i'm straight" or "get away from me you filthy degenerate weeaboo lesbian"

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>>155796776
Bingo

Thanks for the info, stranger.

>>155796884
You could've just googled "lmr visual novel" you double nerd, no wonder you're not making any progress

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>>155797087
Damn, you're right.

>>155796362
Lesbian Mom Restrain

>>155796172
what's the goal?

>>155797460
$30000, apparently.

>>155797514
>$30000
Can't be serious

>>155797791
http://elotalk.com/gaming/love-money-rock-n-roll-demo-review/

..p-progress...

>>155797791
Why not senpai?

>>155800189
>Russian boy goes to Japan to fuck 4 egg-headed grills
>80s
>Love, Money, Rock'n'roll
>No actual Rock'n'roll music
>Trans-national corporations, political intrigues, birth of modern business model
I smell Black Sands level of autism here.
Those BGs are awesome, so after release I will rip them, and use as desktop wallpapers.

>>155795389
Stabilizer.

>>155797851
>dat background animation

Clearly an afterthought not made by the original background artist.

>>155804643
>not made by the original background artist
You're wrong here.

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>>155805102
>that shitty flash tier, sheet of paper animation
>arsenixc

I mean, that guy isn't particularly a good animator but that is clearly no his.

>>155805424
Yeah, well, again - you're wrong.

>>155806125
>you're wrong
>you're wrong

My argument is base solely on what I've seen of which a poorly tacked on animation unusual of his trait as a 3D animation artist.
Do you have any info that I might have missed?

>>155806304
I just know for a fact that it's done by him.
Not saying you missed anything, there wasn't anything to miss. But your core statement doesn't correspond with reality, that's all.

>>155806459
If that is really his work, the animation in particular, than that is something that he would not be proud of.
He can easily do more than just scrolling a sheet of layer of a poorly 2D rendered train that stopped mid way.

Such a pity.

Such a pity.

>>155806820
The fuck are you expecting from a VN?

>>155807049
I expect more from the artist, not the VN.
That anon claimed that it was his work, but I am still not convinced it was his all along.

I mean, knowing him he would be using a proper 3D rendered train, with sun light reflecting on the mirror, blinking as a non reflective part of the train pass through, with proper building shading cast on to it.

>>155807303
Unless he works at lightning speed and does it for cheap I don't see how that would benefit a VN at all, specially when the focus is on the characters and not the bg.

>>155807441
>specially when the focus is on the characters and not the bg
considering new sprites look like flat amateur turds compared to old ones, I'm afraid BGs are the main draw art-wise

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>>155804643
>>155805424
>>155806304
>>155806820
>>155807303
>>155808105
Maximum autism.

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>>155808708
Just a bit of friendly advice for our newfig shill: some people won't like your project, you can't do anything about it, so it's better to just move on.

random ass question:

could there be so many het/otome games in the /evn/ scene, that the market could become over saturated and it'd be hard for new het games to stand out?

>>155811387
>the market
it's tiny
most popular games are old WW shit
it's hard to stand out as it is thanks to AJTilley/WC onslaught of anime tiddy

>>155811721
>anime tiddy

that's the whole point of bishojo games. Does that mean it's difficult to stand out with a bishojo game?

>>155811721
>AJTilley/WC

Do you think these guys make the games they actually want to make? Or they're just serving whatever to consumer demand in order to farm the most profit they can?

>>155811837
well yes, considering there are a bunch of low-quality ones but with decent art constantly being churned out and get popular, unless you shill hard or your game has exceptional qriting or something and the word of mouth spreads, you'll likely to get buried.
But who cares, you won't make gorillions of dollaridoos with such a niche genre anyway, so might as well just do what you like.

>>155812084
Kek I remember someone described AJTilley as an actual business who cuts to the lowest common denominator in order to make sales and I think they were onto something. He's also a known kikestarter abuser though people have stopped pointing it out because apparently no one cares.

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>>155795031
I like your style! Hand-eye coordination was definitely the hardest part of going digital for me as well. There is one particular setting you can use to help with the shakes, and that's stabilization/post-correction (depending on the software you've got). If you're using the same shitty Wacom I am, you probably got Photoshop Elements bundled in? I don't remember if it was in there, but if you're willing to pitch in a little more, Clip Paint Studio definitely has it, and is all around a better application for drawing.

Otherwise, I'd recommend drawing lines quickly and decisively, since the squiggliness sets in mostly when you're drawing slow. And keep a hand on the undo button, since it might take a few goes to get it right.

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Today's agenda: draw the rest of the town backgrounds and flesh out the rest of the shops. After that, I can actually make the dungeon that was theoretically supposed to be the focus of this project in the first place.

Also: I am going to put a number of NPCs in the bar to talk with, and I'd like to put in some characters from the games of other developers here in this thread. If you're interested in a cameo, and wouldn't mind having your character drawn in this style, just post an image of them and a brief description, and I'll do my best to fit them in.

>>155813501
leftmost line is lewd

>>155815167
how do you plan on doing the dungeon? Some sort of combat system?

>>155780151
>Expecting anything from winged cloud.

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>>155815619
A real combat system's a little above my skills, so any fighting will mostly be via text menu. The player does have three stats (physical, mental, and emotional strength), and 4 health, so I can utilize those.

The actual dungeon will be laid out as a series of rooms in a grid, each room occupying one square. If you've ever played a MUD or something like Thy Dungeonman, then it should be reasonably familiar. Once in a room, you can either interact with it or leave through one of its exits. There won't be a map feature, so you'll have to draw that yourself on graphing paper or something.

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>>155818891
That sounds pretty cool. I understand the concern with the skill limitations. You could easily put a small map in there if you need to though, even if it's just a grid view without details. Put a red x in the current grid or something, change the grid image when you select the choice corresponding to it (you could use a sheet to save image space).

Here's one of the outfits for my main character. Feel free to use him in your bar if it helps!

>>155800651

>The setting is 100% perfectly what I desired despite never even playing it REEEEEEE
>I'm going to pirate it now REEEEEEEEEEEEE

This is why /evn/ is scum.

>>155820502
They're literally saying the opposite of that, they just like the backgrounds and everything else we know about it seems shit.

>>155821267

All that exists of it are screenshots. So you admit you're basing your entire assesment of the game not on content, writing, story etc. but on "I only like the BGs not the sprites or music"

That's fucking it.

No wonder Winged Cloud is still around, because of scum like you.

>>155821754
I'm not saying shit, I was explaining to you why someone else was telling you they don't like it.

One of these days you'll realize most of the readers don't really give a fuck about the plot, and if they did care about stories, there are far better mediums with a lot more quality assurance involved in the production.

>>155821986

Yep, all of your budget should be in visuals, you don't even need writers at this point.

You could have the characters make fart noises for 7 hours but if it has purdy pikshurs than fucks like you will still buy it.

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>>155821754
your hysterics are hilarious, I had zero interest in that VN but now I will pirate it too.

>>155822293
black sands dev pls go

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>>155822415

>Look guys! Look! Look how much I'm sucking WC's dick!

Never challenge, never think, never ask for better, status quo all the way man!

>>155821754

Unless the plot and writing is god tier, not liking the sprites and setting is a valid complain.

Hell, /evn/ bitches all the time about "yet another slice of life game set in a japanese high school".

>>155822916
WC has nothing to do with it, I haven't even played a single one of their games. Goading on a sperglord who continuously misinterprets other peoples posts is fun though.
I have read through Everlasting Summer though, and it was a steaming pile of shit, so there's no hope for the writing in that one to be better since apparently it's written by the same delusional weeb.

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>>155821754
I have straight up dropped VNs because of retarded looking sprites.

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>>155820107
Thanks! Does this mysterious stranger have a name?

Yeah, on second thought, at least a small map of the current room would be nice. I'll see if I can get a scrolling viewport over a map image to work too. There's also a cartographer character the player can pay to see maps from.

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>people who seriously think they're better than WC because of muh plot
This is a genre born with porn and that will die with porn.

WC is shit, but so are you. Difference being, they know their market and succeed in pleasing them.

If you're not making the same kind of nukige bullshit, you're not their competitor and shouldn't compare your sales to them. If you are, just do better and get their market share.

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>>155824708
Yeah, he's called Kensik! You can just shorten it to Ken. The only thing special about him is that he has sharp teeth. He's a warrior with a big, cheerful ego. Not sure what you're going to do with him but here's a few heads. That's actually a pretty good drawing in regards to your style, nice! I think it's cool to see someone post steady progress here so props.

Yeah, I think even the shitty systems in eroge games do maps fairly okay. It's usually a grid highlighting the rooms with a simple color and the player a dot or something.

So, which one is worse?
>another slice of life game set in a japanese high school
or
>niggers

>>155828560
niggers slice of life

>>155828560
I want to become one with harambe so the first one.

>>155828560
slice of niggers

>>155828560

I wouldn't mind Black Sands if the guy didn't insist it's "accurate" despite the fact that even the non-fastasy elements have very obvious mistakes that could be corrected even by reading the wiki entry on african cultures.

page10

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>editing pass 1 50% complete

>>155832051
10/10

you guys gonna participate in any evn jams?

>>155835426
Are there any besides yurijam?

>>155837709

here's this one:
https://femhype.com/2016/01/04/introducing-sugar-sweets-jam-femhypes-first-official-game-jam/

it has to be lgbt and has candy in it. Kinda dumb if you ask me but whatever.

>>155835426
If by jam you mean this massive amount of writing I need to do, then I am indeed participating.

>>155838479
Uh, thanks no thanks

>>155839393
yeah, im gonna pass on that too. How much would you bet, they would completely flip their shit, if you put in a yaoi rape game into their jam?

>>155839865
Well, it would be fun.

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>>155772456
A rogue is fine too, right?

>>155842089
>most of the main routes are brunettes
>all the side girls are blonde

you did that on purpose, m8?

>>155842089
Nice fat tits

>>155842089
brown fetish?

>>155842538
Yes, I wanted their contrast to be physical as well.

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>>155842675
Well for that particular design I was more focused on the scars. Not visible in that shot but she has them on her stomach, thighs etc.
Plus her eye is akin to pic related, which is why it's covered by her hair.

>>155842089
>that smirk
pretty cute senpai

>>155842089
Those detailed eyes creep me out t b h.

https://archive.fo/2wPOV

why attempt to write a piece on a niche genre you don't know shit about?

>>155845528
No fun allowed

>>155846117
Glad you understand.

>>155845528
Disgusting pig men and their disgusting pig porn games.

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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sovietgames/love-money-rocknroll
Welp.

>>155849135
>Only 2 backers after 15 minutes

Dead in the water.

>>155848312
I know rite?

>>155842089
shit-eating grin

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>>155849135
Kirino a shit

>>155849135
I'll keep my fingers crossed.

>>155849657
Who?

>>155849306
>asking for $30k off the bat
Dead on arrival. Only super hyped titles can get away with asking for $10k+ right off and get away with it (see dysfunctional systems, huniepop, harem protag).

>>155850040
>super hyped titles
>harem protag
What.

>>155849135
the art is kinda cool but this just seems soooo boring

>>155850015
she looks a lot like kousaka kirino

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>>155850015
>inb4 she's a shitty tsundere too

>>155850152
did you not see the reactions to it during early access?

>>155850307
No I did not.

>>155849135
>that is and always be free .
nice

i think it'll get to 50k, assuming russians don't think kickstarter is owned by obama's gay lover

>>155850040
>huniepop harem protag

no one gave a shit about either of those beforehand

>>155850359
Well go and educate yourself then.

>>155850471
I think it'll fail funding.
I am screencapping your post to prove you wrong in 30 days, feel free to do the same.

>>155850627
don't be autistic anon

>>155850471
I don't know how popular Everlasting Summer is in Russia but the tiers are set up like shit ($10 for a copy of the game on the platform of your choice, but it's $25 for multiplatform?) where there's nothing especially compelling above the $50 tier until you get to the $500+ tiers. VN Kickstarters rely a lot on higher double-digit tiers or lower triple digits.

Plus, the only physical item offered is an artbook at $300. I get wanting to keep shipping and production costs down, but it's very high goal for an EVN to begin with and lacks a lot of the rewards that usually sell lots.

>>155850708
Too late, I was born this way.

I'll be honest, all these harem bishojo games seem incredibly boring.

At least with bara/yaoi I can ayyy lmao at the art and shitdick shenanigans.

>>155850627

okay, i'll remember

>>155850708
let them. it's a harmless bet

>>155850746
>rewards that usually sell lots.
Got any examples? Off the top of my head I know:
>dakimakuras
>art books
>physical game copy
>physical soundtrack
are the most commonly offered physical rewards, but I don't know how popular they are. If I'm missing any I'd love to know.

>>155850976
Those are the main ones, but they sell a lot. Also keychains, posters, and other small collectables that can be mass produced

>https://twitter.com/pcmacgames/status/780528531935731713

WW in one of his manic naysaying moods again

>>155851419
he's right though

doesn't WW realize he's not making money because all his current games aren't as good as Loren?

>>155703518
This art style works for you man.
Keep doing this.

>>155851940
He needs to stop putting weird mechanics on top of vns. Heirs and Graces went from a 7/10 to 4/10 due to how badly implemented the sim aspect was.

>>155852091
>Heirs and Graces
that art is ugly as fuck.

>>155852923
hey it's nowhere near as bad as his yuri only title. not nicole yuri, the other one.

live before i sleep

>>155664082
>>155664553
>>155682614

so what game is it?

>>155857342

The Detailed Goddess

>>155859368
I've not heard of it.

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>reformat story structure
>find a better way to do crazy rules for shit

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>>155849135
>Loved ES enough to write my thesis on it
>LMRnR only has 21 backers

>>155850040
People were laughing there asses off at Huniepop and Harem Protag felt like it came out of nowhere.

>>155850778
Whatever keeps you in the closet anon

>>155867632
>>Loved ES enough to write my thesis on it
anon

>>155868835
It was about metafiction in Russian literature

>when you send your scummy artist the last commission
feels good
soon i can get off this horrible ride, lads
SOON

>>155868245
Except HP & HP had "HP" in their names.
And tits.
LMR has eggs instead heads.
From what I understood - there will be no tits.

>>155870809
What's with the eggs for heads thing? They don't look that awful to me.

>>155871125
Do they look like they should cost $30k?

>>155871337
Just in terms of the art, it looks far superior to HP & HP. Everything else I'm very iffy about.

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>>155871569
>art
>far superior
Only BGs are "superior".
HP had generic anime style, nothing good, yet nothing bad.
HP has Live2D animations.
I'd like nitpick anon to look at this pic, if he's not dead yet.

>>155871337
Only about 10k of that is going into art, and even less of that into the sprites.

>>155872992
That said, I agree that they're not up to par with the rest of the assets. The backgrounds in particular look great, and the CGs show that the designs at least are functional. I think their heads are okay, but their waists are comically tiny. Together with her shoulders, it makes her look like a bodybuilder who forgot leg day. The flipper hands aren't doing her any great justice either. But it's not badly rendered or designed. Just a little off on proportions, and certainly not enough to drive me away.

For what it's worth, their animated sprites at 55k looked much more passable.

why are you people freaking out about 30k? that's not even that uncommon for vn kickstarters anymore.

>>155872992
Those sprites are way better than Huniepops. Hentai Protag only really has animations going for theirs. None of them are particularly impressive, but I'd still say LMR trumps the other two.
I don't know why they put so much into the backgrounds. Those are the last things that should be prioritized. Not to say they aren't important, just that I can't think of something less important.

>>155873331
Think it's just one guy.

>>155873167
>For what it's worth, their animated sprites at 55k looked much more passable.
Turning the entire body like that looked pretty impressive. I wonder exactly how they managed it.

>>155873757
>Turning the entire body like that
We need cuddlebeam to confirm is that gif is fake.

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I'm back with another new NPC, and another facility. You can pray at the church, and you'll probably need it too.

>>155826781
Nice design; reminds me a bit of the Tales series? I loved playing Symphonia back in the day. Kensik will be one of the bar NPCs you can gossip with, and might show up in the labyrinth. I think I'll give him a more energetic expression too now that I've seen him in action. Thanks for the encouragement too!

>>155874987
Why is he so sad?

>>155875224
Fed up of shit adventurers coming to him and now wants to suicide but God said no

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>>155875224
Because you thought she was a boy, anon. That or maybe it's just very boring waiting for divine inspiration.

>Last update from artist was a month ago

How do you respond to this, lads?

>>155849657
>or does a freedom-loving rebel hide under the facade?

Why the fuck do people write like this? Either keep the other aspects of a character vague or say them outright. No need for stupid redundant questions.

>>155876323
kys

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>>155876015
>>155876049

>>155851419
well, he's not wrong