/acg/ - Armored Core General: There's Your Answer Edition

>wake up at 7:something
>thread archived in under an hour and forty minutes
I guess /vg/ got really busy this morning.

>>155206751
Same here, it was a sad way to start the day.

So uh, for the next thread:
- Remove the /acg/ pastebin (http://pastebin.com/Ek3kMtZW), it's outdated and replace it with http://pastebin.com/WSq32Amg

-Look into the archives and rescue the recommendation pastebin, the current one is just the main pastebin but misnamed. Or just remove it altogether, not like it's up to date anymore.

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>>155208965

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AC 6 when?

About to start up V as my first AC game. I heard a lot of things about 4 and 4A being kinda like the black sheep of the series. Not sure how much of that is true but here I am at V. VD is the direct sequel to V right?

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>>155220303
ok, V is not the best place to start, specially since the pvp is down for good.

>4/4A being black sheep

False, speically 4A, they main hate they get is how fast they are and how easy they are compared to previous game, but those a good entries for a newbie.

Check pic related.

>>155223149
>>155220303

V is not a good place to start because it was designed for online-only and the servers are down.

Verdict day is probably the best place to start. You don't lose much. The story in VD takes place ~100 years after V (V and VD are really similar to AC2 and AC2:AA in that way).

AC1 through last Raven:
>Single Player Focus
>Main enemies are other ACs
>Slower ground based combat
>Flight but no Quickboost
>Very restricted amounts of energy
>Later parts are obviously better than early ones
>Technological society atmosphere

AC4 and FA
>Single Player Focus
>Main enemies are large NPCs
>Fast aerial combat
>Flight with Quickboost
>nearly infinite energy
>All parts are about the same usefulness
>Deserted apocalypse atmosphere


ACV/VD
>Multiplayer Focus
>Main enemies are NPCs and other ACs
>Slower ground based combat (Shared with LR)
>"floating" with Quickboost (shared with 4)
>restricted energy (shared with LR)
>All parts are about the same usefulness (shared with 4)
>Deserted apocalypse atmosphere (shared with 4)

4 and 4A is definitely the "black sheep" of the series, but VD is a "grey sheep" also. It shares a lot of similar elements with the PS2 games but most of the atmosphere and game design is closer to FA.

>>155224492
Also, by "later parts are obviously better than early oes" I mean that in the Pre-PS3 games most of the parts you get in the first third of the game are replaced by universally "Better" versions of them later. In 4th and 5th gen (probably for multiplayer balance) you start off with equipment that is still useful at the end of the game. More parts just unlocks more customization options. AC4/FA in particular changed it up by having no "starter" equipment, you start with parts used by some of the strongest enemies, but you use "tuning" points acquired throughout the game to raise your total power instead.

>>155220303
ACV is an okay game, but don't let it give you a strong opinion on AC in general. It's generally considered to be one of the worst games in the franchise.

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>>155239885
I want that model kit so bad, but I'm flat broke....

>>155206751
Get EDF

F

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>>155249114
Why live?

rip

[red butterfly intensifies]

Also, to start some thread productivity. Favorite mission from any AC game? Mine is Destroy Massive Weapon in AC2AA.

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>>155260726
Forgot the picture.

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>>155260726
I really like that main story mission on V where you have to escape the city after the cooperation betrayed Father and ruin everthing. Somehow it made me have that feeling of urge and danger.

>>155261346
That's one was one of the best missions in ACV.

>>155260726
Destroy Silent Avalanche from AC4, on hard. Only mission where Normals were actually dangerous in all of 4th gen.

>>155269348
>he never got cocky and got punched to death by the Normals in B7

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Would you?

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Is an all S rank AC possible?

rip in peace

>>155272623
Would destroy again.

>>155272792
I never tried myself. I wouldn't follow the build ranks too close, they're pretty flawed and work on breakpoints. I've had mechs with C energy rating that behaved just as well as A rank ones.
But I assume you're just going for the fun so whatever.

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Front Mission 4 Bump.

>>155287529
>armored core a new order of next back
Is that a book? Sounds like a cringey fanfic.

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>>155272623
Destroy Nobless

>>155287698
Book that will never be translated.

>>155287698
https://exhentai.org/g/548717/c8911d8e45/
Check for yourself.

>>155292378
no torrent? damn it would take forever to download all this

Also I just realized the art link in the pastebin is down

Alrighty, M4World Dev here

made a new progress post >>155291567
It might not look like much but it's a giant milestone in the development. For the demo all performance values were hardcoded; they were static numbers I picked to make the player move in a certain way, to get a certain feel. Now however all numbers and thus the performance of the mech are based on whatever the player equipped in the Garage: basically CUSTOMIZATION IS IN

>>155303413
>basically CUSTOMIZATION IS IN
YES

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Good news everyone

http://www.thebitbag.com/armored-core-6-release-soon-fromsoftware-confirms-game-development/182124

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>>155307170
>Regardless, there is still some evidence that points to the rumor being true.

What evidence? the rest of the article is stuff we have already theorized here and probably other AC communities too, I was expecting some new hints.

How would you guys feel if the next armored core was a slower paced(think bloodborne) fantasy/steampunk game?

>>155308863
>fantasy/steampunk

Nah it wouldnt be AC. AC has always being more a kind of cyberpunk (advance technolog but shit society + ruled by companies) At best, it could work as spin off trying to merge Souls serie with AC (maybe more with bloodborne since its a gothic-victorian setting) than a sequel, even if its a reboot.

>>155280359
Oh, I know the ranking is bullshit but I was just playing around with numbers to see if it's possible.

>>155287698
Engrish.

Armored Core very fast "mech" go! attack number 10

>>155307170
>>155308014

This is the same bullshit article that was posted a few days ago and has since been reposted around the internet with no sources.

The evidence originally claimed that a member of DualShockers got a comment from Miyazaki claiming that AC was "in development" but with no source, no interview, no quote, and no evidence that he was ever in a room with someone from Dualshockers. 24 hours later they deleted the article, but not before it was reposted across the web.

>>155308014
The only hardcore evidence that exists is the loose connection between two interviews, which state:
a) a new armored core game will eventually come out
b) one of the 3 games they're working on is a reboot.

Nothing else is confirmed.

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Daily reminder.

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>>155312201

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>>155312201

>>155312360
The series isn't even dead yet and this still makes me sad

>>155312641
Probably because you can also applied to any other serie that has beeng forgotten in favor of more mainstream things, despise being a good product on itself.

>>155312547
Is there another part to this?

>>155313603
I think that's the last one, unless KZM did another one and I missed.

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>>155315690
I love these. Got any more?

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>>155316451
Only one

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HEAVY OMER WHEN?

>>155316797
Never.

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>>155316451
This one counts?

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>>155316451

>>155323751
looks nice

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Is it just me or does the thread hit page 10 a lot faster than usual?

>>155220303

There is no black sheep of the series. They're all good in different ways.

Except Nine Breaker. That game can go straight to robot hell.

>>155326885
Well, right now ACV is a pretty dark grey sheep, at least when it comes to singleplayer.
Out of the 8 AC games I've played, it's the one I enjoyed the least. But those didn't include Ninebreaker so maybe I'm still in time to play something even worse.

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>>155326885
rood

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>>155327852

>>155326574
Yeah is hitting 10 fast, is amazing that is still alive when we recently had a thread that reach bump limit.

>>155327824
>>155326885
Ninebreaker is basically a training mode for Last Raven and nothing else. There's no real story, it's poorly balanced, and most of the actual gameplay is frustrating because they have a lot of arbitrary requirements for each mission.

>>155331127
Looks like a strange lovechild between Tellus and Soldner.

>>155332015
Well Aldra used to be a subsidiary of Interior Union and in FA is stated that they still have a good relationship despise Aldra separating from Interior

BUMP

WHY RIDE THE EDGE

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Sexy ACs when?

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>>155336026

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What's /acg/ playin right now?

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>>155336934
'shitposting on /pol/' and Path of Exile, which is weird because I fucking hate PoE

>>155336934
Paragon.

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>>155336934
Taking a trip down memory lane to play some Armored Core Nexus and write an autistic crossover with Armored Core .

>>155336934
CSGO

>>155338130
>crossover

With what?

>>155336934
Still have to finish everything in Last Raven

I have an idea to get the thread going, let's talk about Tower Blade City

>>155336934
Microsoft Excel.

>>155338523
If I told you, I'll have to crash this cradle.

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>>155338685

>>155338685
>Tower Blade City

It was just arenas fights, and since it was axed before being something, no much character development for anyone. The only thing we really got out is how H+ can fuck its users aside from driving them mad.

AC anime when?

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>>155341087
Hopefully never

>>155341087
I think a movie would suit the series better than an anime. Someone posted a fan-movie in a previous thread and I think it could have potential. You could take parts of the plot of different games and make it into something new while retaining all the aspects from the games.

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>>155342690
>You could take parts of the plot of different games and make it into something new

>>155343942
Okay just adapt Master of Arena then

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edgy ACs when?

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[shining intensifies]

>>155346082
Kinda reminds me of Megatron.

>>155346314
Looks like an AC version of a Killzone/Jin-Roh trooper

>>155346392
That's a better comparison.

>>155346082
UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUS

>>155346082
Never thought I'd see someone make the Red Spectacles into an AC.

Legs need to be bigger tho.

>>155346134
Is Bleach done yet?

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>>155347319
Yeah, it's finished now.

>>155348026
You wanna vent about it?

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Discuss

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>>155348158
Nah i'm good. Last arc of the series was a complete waste of time. Kubo could've just made a epilogue chapter after the fullbring arc where he has his family and everything in the future. Or, even better. End it after the Aizen fight where Ichigo loses his soul reaper powers and doesn't see the shinigami no more and returns to a normal life, that ending would've been masterful.

>>155348359
I'd be disappointed with FROM taking heavy inspiration from a Battletech design if it didn't look 100% better.

>>155348359
That's not true. That's impossible!

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Alrighty last bump from me for tonight

>>155349934
>Carnation
Fucking japs and their dumb names.

>>155348607
I will always say that bleach should have ended after Aizen, the rest was just milking a death cow.

>>155348359
>>155348746
>>155349471

From didn't design white glint. Shoji Kawamori did, he was the guy who did the AC2 era designs. They brought him back as a special consultant just for White Glint. The "genius architect" is literally Shoji Kawamori.

Battletech stole a bunch of Kawamori designs (called now the "Unseen") from Macross. They are since no longer available in original form and have been revised visually to no longer be stolen designs.

Guess which one of those designs is an "Unseen"? Phoenix Hawk.

Basically, Kawamori designed a mech for Macross decades ago, and then used that as inspiration for White Glint. In the meantime, separately, Battletech stole his macross design.

I completely forgot how bad the English trailer for For Answer was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53sK4vLkSIk&ab_channel=PlayscopeTrailers

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>>155351498
reminder that Kawamori also did Eureka seven's designs.

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>>155352032
>>155351498
>>155349471
>>155348746
>>155348359

The whole "overboost mode switch" thing was Kawamori's idea too, from the transforming mechs of Macross.

>>155352236
It would be nice if he returns for the next AC, but I guess he probably is tired from working on AC after all this years.

>>155352482
He's still actively designing, so who knows?

It probably comes down to what contract he's under and how his relationship with Miyazaki is.

>>155336934
EDF with some friends
oh and I was playing this one drawing game with /v/ until the influx of traffic crashed their poor servers

>>155338130
I was also making a pretty autistic crossover using 4A-era NEXTs but then I stopped because I couldn't really decide whether to try to go along with the crossing series' plot or to just go off the fucking record, since I lack experience with this kind of shit.

>>155354447
>I was also making a pretty autistic crossover using 4A-era NEXTs
That's what I'm doing right now. It's hard to balance the tech in AC and make it fit into another universe.

>>155352032
That's hard to believe, Eureka-7's mechs look awful.

>>155352236
As someone who's never watched Macross, what is the point of Gerwalk mode?

>>>/tg/155357438

Look what I found

>>155357658

>>>/tg/49444026

That was embarassing.

>>155336934

Emulating the original 3 AC games on PSP. Don't worry, I own them legally, so there's no crime being committed.

>>155336934

I was playing through AC2 recently on an emulator (although I own a physical copy). It actually emulates fine but sometimes there are sound issues. I'm also a scrub who spams missiles to make it ez-mode. Like holy shit why are they so good.

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Writing is hard bump.

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>>155361036

>turning white glint into a filthy quadruped AC

>>155364685
>>155367045
we need more people here desu

>>155351498
I thought the deal with the Unseens was that they got permission to use the mechs, but the entity they got permission from didn't actually have the rights to give permission?
>>155350132
Nothing wrong with naming your mech after a flower.
>>155336934
Structural Steel Design.
>>155357548
To be super dope.
And it still retains a fair amount of the speed of the plane while being able to maneuver in tight spaces like the mech.
I guess you can also carry someone in a hand while gaining altitude.

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>>155357938
even on /tg/ you can find one of ous

>>155362661
There is worse.

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>>155205556
i'm so glad that my exquisite artwork is being used properly
>>155303413
holy moly, impressive stuff
you work fast too. and alone? awesome.
i might be able to contribute some music/sound design work down the line if you're in need & interested.
>>155332015
with a rayleonard P90
>>155336934
a really nice cup of coffee
i'm playing a whole ton of games right now, we'll see if i finish my playthroughs of any of them
>>155351498
what a story

Looks like multiple outlets have posted TGS interviews with Miyazaki where he confirms a new Armored Core game, but that he's not allowed to say more about it.

>>155384372
>first they aren't
>then they are
>then they aren't again
>now they are
>the last 3 of those changes occurred in the last week
Mitsubishi can't make up his damn mind

>>155384571
He's got scribblings on the back of a used napkin. That counts as development, right?

>>155386282
>Miyazaki hands the BB A Team a scribble of nine ball on a piece of paper towel he sneezed on
>"make a game from this"
>he checks up on them six months later after supervising Dark Souls IV being developed by some random dev Namco found
>they're making the best AC of all time, but he forgot to tell them it was an AC game so they named it Metal Wolf Chaos 2 instead

I finally got my hands on Verdict Day. I don't know who kept going on about how the V series was slow, cause this game is faster than Last Raven. I know the 4 series was fast as all hell, but they're more an outlier than a base.

Still, I'm enjoying what I got so far. Back then, I never once used energy weapons because I wanted to conserve as much energy as possible, but with V adding damage types in, I started branching out. Pulse Rifles are more fun than I bargained for.

Though, I'm having trouble fighting heavies and tank-types. Guess the added defence in the game made them more practical now.

Good news lads and this time it's real:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/21/from-software-working-on-3-games-one-of-which-is-armored-core

>>155383210
Yeah I work alone, good planing and and concentrating purely on the code allows me allows me to make lots of progress in a rather short time frame.
>i might be able to contribute some music/sound design work down the line if you're in need & interested.
First I have to settle for an artstyle/setting, that's still plaguing me

>>155388804
>uses energy weps
>has trouble killing heavies and tanks

M8, legs always have a defence they excel in before armor gets added. In the case of HBP and Tank, that's TE def. So you better bring dat battle rifle as backup

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>>155389419
Stop playing with my emotions, this time better be legit.

>>155389606
Of course I have KE and CE weapons in my loadout. I tend to purge the energy weps before fighting the heavies. But the double gattling gun combo doesn't seem to take them down fast enough for my liking, that's all.

>>155390062
Have you tried to pile them?

>>155390158
If you want good grades shield + Pile is your friends

shield in general saves scores

>>155388804
V era being slow is basically a meme. It's relatively the same speed as the 4 era, it's just that everything is scaled down in size and you actually require some skill for vertical movement and a bit more restraint for energy management.

>>155390062
>gats
Try rifles.
>>155389419
So help me if this is another article stemming from the dualshockers rumor.

>>155390158
I'm still too noob to pile or blade. Anything melee is still a bit out for me, which is sad since I mained a blader back in LR. Any tips on getting good in melee for V? I also can't seem to effectively use the charge boost.

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>>155389419
>pic related
>>155390496
IGN asked Miyazaki directly at TGS if FROM was working on another Armored Core and he said yes.

>>155390496
>>155389994
Don't worry I wouldn't pull the same joke 3 times

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>>155354750
Pretty much. It was a pain in the ass without having to resort to augmenting the crossing 'verse with NEXT-tech. I dunno, I might go back to it one of these days.

>>155389419
>When pressed on whether one of those game would be a new Armored Core - the hardcore mech series Miyazaki has worked on previously - he replied, "Yeah, we're already working on Armored Core", but would not offer any more detail.

kek

>"So there are several titles that we are currently working on [...] Some of those are dark fantasy, some of those could be a mech [game] - that's one thing. The second thing is that one of the new titles I've been working on will probably comply with the expectations from the fans in straightforward manner.

>he replied, "Yeah, we're already working on Armored Core", but would not offer any more detail.

Sounds like they work on two mech games, armored core and anther new game.

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>>155336026
>they don't already exist

>>155392559
Metal wolf chaos 2?

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>>155392559
AC6 NOW

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>>155392716
No with those legs.

>>155389419

STOP PLAYING WITH MY EMOTIONS

>>155393056
We need a new theme song, if AC6 is really happening.

>>155389419
>yfw it's confirmed to be titled Armored Core

>>155395105
>E3 2017
>big reveal
>ARMORED CORE
>fancy Reboot trailer
>at parts it looks souls-like
>trailer is about to end
>AC goes into uber mode
>head transforms
>it charges against some kind of monster
>people freak out
>pre-orders through the roof
>game is released
>it's just a good old armored core
Would From Software have the balls to pull this off?

>>155396549
>>it charges against some kind of monster

I just thought monster hunter with mechas.

>>155396549
>Evangelion themed Armored Core disguised as Dark Souls to appeal to normies
I'd play it.

>>155398241
>Evangelion themed
I just remembered that Ahab have a build that looks like the Eva01 on FA

>>155384372
There hasn't been a new interview. People have been reposting unsourced rumors from an article that was deleted. Not a single word has publicly come out of Miyazaki's mouth about Armored Core in months.

...oh, except this:

"“We are making a new Armored Core. We are still in the early stages of development.” I asked how early, and Miyazaki replied, “I can’t talk about how early it is.”

:D

http://kotaku.com/miyazaki-gives-clear-answers-on-the-future-of-dark-soul-1786887531

They say it was a private roundtable at Bandai Namco's HQ about the future of Dark Souls. Which means there's no quotes or interview recordings, but at least we have a time and a place where this happened. That's better than anything we've gotten in the last year.

>>155400015
The bastard child of LATONA and LAHIRE.

>>155388804
Verdict Day is twitchy, but top speed is low. It the acceleration that makes it feel fast.

V is also about 20-30% slower than Verdict Day across the board, so that's another reason why it was called slow. VD was made faster after-the-fact with patches.

The multiple damage types and threshold defense system is the best part of VD. It makes any weapon viable and encourages you to vary your tactics and loadout. The only downside is that part defenses and the high-DPS weapons don't form a smooth curve, there are lots of "breakpoints" where certain weapons dominate against 80-90% of all frames.

>>155400151
Also for some reason it has the ZoE COCKpit

>>155400141
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/21/from-software-working-on-3-games-one-of-which-is-armored-core

And this, this is the second piece of news.

So we have:

1. Kotaku Roundtable at Bandai Namco HQ (no quotes) confirming a new AC is "in development" but can't say how far.
2. IGN Directly asked at TGS (no quotes) and he said Yes.

That's confirmations from two separate, legitimate sources.

>>155400887
Don't forget the dual-shockers article

>>155401308
I don't count it. It was deleted and had no source.

>>155402974
The new one, I mean.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/09/21/dark-souls-iii-director-hidetaka-miyazaki-talks-dlc-future-games-armored-core-and-much-more/

I think IGN copy pasted some Miyazaki quotes from it.

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>>155405589
>Editor’s Note: after the interview was conducted, From Software released a statement to Japanese media, mentioning that Miyazaki-san actually did not admit that a Armored Core game is currently in development, but that his statement should be interpreted as the mention of the will to continue to work on the series in the future, but nothing has been decided.

wait what

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>>155406532

>>155389419
I wonder for how long they have been working on it. Since the beginning of the year? Maybe around the end of last year?

But anyway, YEAH NEW ARMORED CORE BITCH

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>>155405589
>>155406532
What did they mean by this?

>>155400526
>V is also about 20-30% slower than Verdict Day across the board
There's more to this than you're letting on.
Every map except worst map Abandoned Facility was chock full of things to jump from, meaning lots of high speed jumping and sudden direction changes. VD's speed comes from the fact that everybody has a butt ton of energy and anybody with half a brain can overboost indefinitely. If V's energy had been as lax as VD's, I imagine you'd barely notice a speed difference.

>>155406532
Miyazaki is just trolling everyone isn't he

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Hopefully we go back to Mars in the next AC game or even better. We start out on Titan which is one of Saturn's moons.

>>155406532
>>155405589
>>155401308
>>155400887

Conspiracy theory time:

Miyazaki started working on Armored Core without Bandai Namco's approval. They're doing design sketches or concepts right now, maybe even more, in a back room.

But since From Software can't admit they are working on "a game" for release because it violates a contract.

>>155409809
I mean the actual speed numbers in the game. Boosters in VD are just more powerful post-patch.

>>155410493
Does Bandai Namco even have any power over From Software or Armored Core?
If anything, it's more likely that they managed to find a publisher and said publisher is preparing some kind of big marketing campaign and doesn't want any info out until its ready.

I think I've finally answered a long wondered question about last raven in the course of this. How does booster accel work?

I think the accel values are the boost power you gain *per frame*. However, boost power =/= speed. It looks like there is a "friction" element based on how fast you're going.

So you actually have 2 accelleration rates. The first is the linear increase in power, and the second is the exponential increase in friction. Your top speed is when (power/weight) / friction = acceleration. Boost acceleration just affects power for the first 3-6 frames or so.

>>155414230
I believe it's been hinted that they still have publishing rights for AC, given that the last time he was asked for it (prior to DS3) he was asked if a new AC game would happen and he said that fans would have to contact Bandai Namco about it.

>>155414820
Accel power means how fast you accelerate to your max speed while boost power increases your maximum speed.

>>155414820
Also, to clarify myself here, is that your top speed is when boost (power / weight) / friction = 1, and if that ratio is lower than 1, you'll slow down (until friction decreases enough), and if that ratio is higher than 1, you'll speed up (until friction increases enough). How far from 1 determines your acceleration at any given point.

It's actually quite a bit more sophisticated than V or 4. 4 has linear accel based on thrust and total weight, and V is a 3 step linear formula. last Raven is actually exponential and more realistic, but probably a lot harder to design for (since it adheres to a more complex formula at any given point).

Also, for the record, this applies to the total "effective" weight of your AC. That's total weight - (unused load cap *0.15).

>>155416149
Nope, not true, from what I've seen. Two boosters with the same accel but more power, the one with more power will reach "top speed" faster even though it has the same accel.

Your time to top speed depends on BOTH power and accel. The top speed depends on power only.

The way I'm seeing it work is that "peak" boost power is reached within a few frames, and you continue to accellerate until friction overcomes your power. Boost accel only affects how quickly you reach peak boost power NOT how quickly you reach top speed.

So if LR had better descriptions, it would be more accurate to label them Max Booster Thrust and Initial Booster Thrust instead of power and acceleration.

>>155376234
>>155380796
I never did get why Jack-O and Crow look like they came out of a gachimuchi video in a lot of the fanart.

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>when you start working on a mech but just don't stop drawing

>>155424167
Where is all this fanart coming from?

>>155425298
I got most of my stuff from Gelbooru but the original source is probably pixiv

>>155414820
>>155416391
That's actually a really big deal. Like, crap, you could get on that podcast with this.
Call them faggots for me.
>>155398690
You still can't have them emblem.
Nobody can.
Not even me.
>>155410610
Ah, I getcha.

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>>155418579
Ekhazar is such an under appreciated NEXT.

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>>155429390
Every time I see this pic I always see that is has thunderthighs and needs to slow down on the KFC.

>>155430823
Thunder thighs are best on reverse jointed mechas.

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>>155430823

t. Raven who skipped out on Leg day.

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Hahaha so if you somehow manage to die on the first mission in Nexus and get close to dieing again on the 2nd try Jack-O appears and just kills everything and calls you pathetic. That's awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FHhiKTiJPo

>>155410441
Is there anything special on titan?

>>155424167
With those big things on the shoulders, isnt this basically a metal wolf with some OWs?

>>155426163
>Not even me.

Did you lost your data?

>>155434249
those little details that make AC special

Also, imagine if the theory that Nexus protagonist survived and is the same pilot on LR, and that scene is canon.

>>155434310
Well the AC universe has never been there but it would be really neat environment to play in. Seeing Saturn floating in the sky during the missions would be pretty amazing. [/spoiler]I got the idea because you're on Titan in Dead Space 2 and it's really beautiful outside.

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>>155435479
I completely messed up my spoiler tag.

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>>155435626
Is pressing ctrl+s that hard?

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>>155435479
>mess up spoiler

>>155426163
I'm trying to get an exact formula but right now this is the best I have:

Boost power on any given frame is power/weight * ~142.5

That coefficient (142.5) varies by the weight of the AC. It might be possible that it's not a coeficient at all, but actually a flat amount subtracted (this could fit people's experimental data better). Still figuring it out.

This is the guy doing the LR Balance patch, BTW. Trying to figure out exact formulas for accel so I can make fair heat/drain payoffs for high accel vs high power boosters.

Man the Front Mission manga is awful, thank god there is no AC manga.

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>>155440569
Anon I....

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>>155440712
What are you trying to say?

>>155441036
there is a AC manga, it got cut short but it isnt good anyways.

>>155441170
wow fuck my life

>>155426163
Get EDF

where the fuck are the good light rev. joint legs hiding in ACV

>>155446082
Just wait until you get to ACVD. Sawarabi says hi

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>>155448045
COW
O
W

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>>155450149
rood

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>>155424167
>when you start working on a mech but just stop drawing

Which order should I do the routes in Last Raven in? My first one ended with a fight against a heavily damaged Jack O and resolved nothing, so I guess this is the "common" route?

>>155469031
Do them in the anyway you want, usually the ones that have less fights agains ACs or pulverizers are the easier.

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>>155463108
kek

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>Swallowtail is the best looking head in VD
>Doesn't go with anything

>>155389419
>IGN finally confirms it
>in all the gaming new sites everybody is suddlenly exited for AC

If there is that many people that likes AC, why are the servers death?

>>155470126
Because there aren't that many people that like AC

>>155470126
it's a dormant series in a dormant genre owned by a developer who for the past 8 years have been absolutely KILLING IT, albeit with essentially one kind of game.
there has also been a growing "mecha void" among the people and the mediocre trash that comes out today isn't substantial enough to hold the attention of the people for any meaningful amount of time.
FROM has played it pretty safe ever since they hit their stride with demon's and dark souls, and EVERYBODY, even non-AC fans, are excited to see what they do next.
i just want miyazaki himself to be personally involved in the project, ACV was missing so much of the passion that's so readily apparent in 4/FA, and he's clearly capable of working on multiple titles at once so PLEASE let him build the world at least.
one thing's for sure is that this next AC has to make a big fucking splash. i think FROM understands this which is why they've been so evasive lately, but i have faith in them and i think the next AC is going to be great

>>155470126
because now that FROM is a big name their now more "obscure" series has a lot of people watching it and waiting to see whats up. this next AC is going to be a pivotal moment for the franchise good or bad.

>>155471893
kek, you think Bamco wants to publish another AC?

>>155471893
I also hope for a great AC, they have the talent for it, Miyazaki has show he can do amazing world building and using a minimalistic way for storytelling. I cant wait for the first visual spoilers to know how the ACs will look

Do you want a complete reboot with no connections to past games or to continue VD from VD? this doesnt mean we have to use the same type of AC, it could be closer to NEXT or classics ACs with quickboost.

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WHAT IF IN THE NEXT AC GAME YOU COULD
GET THIS
DESIGN YOUR OWN PARTS

>>155473798
Expand

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>>155473798
>cockbots, cockbots everywhere
No thanks

>>155470126

Hipster cred from the douchebags.

>everyone jerks off Dark Souls as the best game ever
>now it's too popular
>hipsters are now caveating and hyped for AC as if they were always fans

In a way, it's the same cycle you see on /v/.

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>>155473798
The only way I can imagine this, is (using V era as basis) is that they give ous some bland frames with basic stats that you can fill with other small parts, each part giving different stats, like having a round leg shield or a square one. Since shoulders tend to be asymetrical, you can place the hangar in any side you want a fill the other shoulder with more plates, a core full of car doors or extra stuff like flashlights, a head with different sized eyes, quad legs with bigger armor on the front legs than the back one.

>>155473798
Shut the fuck up

>>155470034
It was replaced by HF-227.

>>155470126
It's because people love the idea / memory of AC, but few people actually have enjoyed the games in years.


>>155471893
I only want Miyazaki involved if he considered AC4/FA to be a compromised mistake, and wanted to "do it right" this time. Something that is directly inspired by 1st gen is the best thing we can hope for.

>>155478253
The only way designing your own parts would make sense is if they did something like the Stabilizers and FRS point system, except that those made more of a difference than the base part stats.

>>155473798
Shit no, just imagine all the meme AC we will see.

>>155472063
nobody knows what could happen
it's not impossible for the franchise to change hands either
>>155472291
>Do you want a complete reboot with no connections to past games or to continue VD from VD?
reboot certainly
as for mech type i can't decide, i really do love them all. i'm sure it'll be good.
>>155473798
you can basically do that in last raven with tuning
and in ACV there were a bunch of samey parts with different adornments on them
but yes wouldn't it be cool to be able to change the antenna type on your head for example, or the camera, which would change how the "eye" looks
like from mono-eye to a slit kind of eye would trade lock range for lock size, or speed for example
oh god
complete visual customization, with stat modifications, might be too much
then again, UNAC programming is a thing so who knows what too much is

>>155479406
To this day I wonder what the fuck White Glint was doing in the Intro of FA

>>155487471
Probably trying to take down Motherwill

I like to belive there was to many mooks and run out of ammo and left, that's why when you attacks there is almost none of them and is basically just the arms fort the on you fight, he cleared the army that was on standby on the motherwill, you just finished the job.

>>155487729
iirc according to a new order of next he was pretty much sent against motherwill with no info on how to actually damage it, and in fact is the one who discovered that destroying the gun emplacements causes internal damage, but he ran out of ammo and failed to complete the mission.

>>155488224
goddamn, someone translate that shit.

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>if ACs were real and used for sport events

>>155488224
That so? Interesting, I wish that was translated as I'm pretty interested in the 4/4A world.

One other question, does it explain why he tried to use Assault Armor FACING the damn thing? I always attributed it to the cinematic just trying to make him look cool but then I wonder if Assault Armor actually has a much larger range in-universe than what is represented in gameplay.

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>>155495035
I think it would be awesome if the next AC installment had a multiplayer arena similar to the Heaven's Arena arc from Hunter X Hunter where you can challenge real life people for ranking and then once you make it to the top ten then you have to hold your rank and if you lose you get sent back to the bottom of the ranks.

>>155495486
Yeah that doesn't work, the top will be full with meta-fags who run only the most cheesiest of setups and drain all the fun out of the game.

>>155496047
That's the point. It would be challenging, we've never had a good ranked system in multiplayer AC.

>>155495089
Could be to create a flash so he can run away.

>>155496047
It would be better if Ranks were a "capture the ball" sort of thing .They get rewarded to you after you win a match and every time you lose, you lose your rank or you swap with whomever killed you. Then maybe if you don't play ranked for a week, you just lose your rank entirely and everyone else moves up by 1, so you have to start over.

>>155498397
Yeah a minute after I made that post, that thought came to me too. Seems like a pretty good move as well, shit's disorienting.

Which game has the best intro in your opinion?

>>155472291

Either is fine. I just want the game to be good. Can't afford to be picky with a series that's on thin ince.

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>>155500113
I would say Nexus, it gives me goosebumps every time.

>>155499564
But it makes him unable to OB out

>>155500113
AC3. It's the only intro that really shows a story, a logical progression of events that lead to a conclusion.

Most other intros are just momentary stylized events, but the AC3 intro you have a story arc. Every decision made by the pilots has immediate consequences. You can easily get invested in what's going on instead of it just being "cool music and robots"

AC:MOA is pretty great too. Last Raven is up there too.

>>155502751
He didn't really have to, he could have just narrowly QB'd out of there while evading the cannon and missile barrages, which seems like a pretty trivial thing to do for a LYNX like him. Maybe the reason why he didn't do so initially was because of a VOB malfunction or him just underestimating the mission at first.

I'm not going to try to find reasoning about his other retarded actions during that intro though. I'm just gonna go along and assume that it was for the intro overall "cool" factor by pushing the agenda that Arms Forts were thought to be more powerful than any NEXT in-universe, and to compensate for how lackluster the actual fight is.

>>155496481
Meh, I think you underestimate how frustrating that would be over the long term.

Would it be fun to play a super-heavy blader against a fast dual gunner? Probably not, you are never going to reach him and he'll completely wreck you without even trying, that's how most fights at the top are going to feel if you don't run some generic meta-setup.

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>>155495035
If AC had something like guilds, I could imagine people making guilds with names of real life companies and fake emblems to make the "cooporated wars" a little more real

>tfw is used as idea to have ads from companies in-game.

>>155503701
>Last Raven is up there too.
is great, it shows how merciless and quick AC duels are.

>>155511349
The best way going for how ravens are usually ranked in universe, is that for a certain period of time the game keeps record of each player kills, and whoever has the most at the end becomes rank 1, or a system that ranks you how well you did each match (damage done/taken, time alive, accuracy)

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>>155511349
Ranked isn't suppose to be fun and it's suppose to push you to your limits in order to win by any means necessary.

Except cheating or bug abuse, that doesn't count.

>>155470126
Because 99% of westerners don't know that 5th gen was a thing, due to Bamco's wonderful [lack of] advertising. And those that do, and played earlier generations of AC hated 5th gen.

>can't fly
>tri-defense bullshit
>getting my ass kicked because the game is now multiplayer-centric, and I only ever played story mode in the previous games, while abusing H+/OP-I

Also: >>155477564
Very much that.

>>155515387
>push you to your limits
It's still a game tho. You can do your best but if the other guys setup is just superior to yours then there isn't much you can do no matter how hard you try.

For example dark souls 3: with the right weapon and some knowledge in hit-detection, online-lag and weapon ranges you can(could?) cheese 99% of the builds and the only people who can do something against you are people with similar cheese builds. This means if you have a duel against anyone who isn't running a 100% meta build you can just sit back and lazily spam one attack/combo while the other guy tries to pull off the game of his life.

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>>155518403
Then you just have to resort to cheese meta builds if that's the case?

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>>155519629
I don't mind in Dark Souls but Armored Core lives from it's customization and I don't want to see meta-filth there

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>>155520506

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>>155524520
I didn't post this m8.

>>155525438
>Alzheimer
rip

>>155520506
>>155519629
The difference is that in Dark Souls you can still get fucked by non-meta weapons if you aren't paying attention.

But in AC, the margins between good builds and bad builds (or counter builds) are huge chasms that most players can't cross.

Armored Core has always had meta, whether it was vertical missile pop shotting or dual nix/HP spam. And VD is actually extremely well balanced if not for the few totally broken min-max builds used on JP.

And really what makes them broken is just the fact that hitboxes for certain weapons are insane and don't have any counter,.

>>155500113

Gotta agree with >>155503701

I love the progression of events the intro shows, and the dual duels that occur between the 4 ACs. It even foreshadowed head +limb destruction in later ACs.

>>155517267

What sucked is that ACV and VD were decent games. I can't hate them for trying to be something new, while still being good. It's just that they really botched online and the game's performance. Sub-30 FPS shouldn't be acceptable in an AC game.

>>155527557
V was heavily marked but dead on arrival thanks to all the problems with rushed development. (awful graphics, lots of game-breaking bugs, matchmaking didn't work)

VD was a lot more solid, but got NO marketing.

V actually sold pretty well but it was panned by game critics across the board, and that killed interest very fast.

>>155527557
>>155527798
Didn't help that literally nothing is explained about how to play the game. I'm all for FromSoft's 'figure it out yourself' approach. And, it works in Souls, because the Souls games are exceedingly simple.

"Here's your dude. This button does a light attack. This button does a heavy attack. This one blocks, and that one rolls and runs." With that information alone, you can comfortably play any Souls game. You'll learn things as you go, which is how a game should be, but the game never really gets more complex than 'run, swing, swing, roll, repeat'.

ACV/D, on the other hand, really did need a stronger tutorial than it did. Not, like, explaining what every stat does, or anything, but maybe at least letting the player know that they can press select to find that information out. (Hiding it behind a sub-menu that tells you what buttons do, via a 'start' button prompt in the very, very corner of the screen doesn't count.)

Sadly, a lack of explanation, on virtually anything besides the absolute, bare minimum basics, led many, many players to thinking the games were clunky as fuck, which they certainly are, if you don't know what you're doing. Hell, I still find people on the internets that picked up one of the games on the cheap, and start complaining about how slow and sluggish it is. And this is all before you factor in the nonsense that is the default control scheme.

If the player can't understand how to play the game, then they're going to chalk it up to bad controls, assume the game was $5 because it was garbage, and then throw it aside.

So, if there's one thing, more than an actual marketing campaign, that I hope comes with any new AC entries, it's an actual fucking tutorial. Or at least an instruction manual to replace it.

>>155529362
I think it's more that what is possible in AC isn't immediately evident.

A good AC tutoral would basically involve being in a training exercise where you are shown the controls... and then you get ambushed by a REALLY powerful AC that moves extremely gracefully, so you can see how far you have to go in terms of what you can do.

Ironically, that's what V tried to do but by making the opponent a UW-wileding invincible supermech it sort of ruined the whole point.

ACFA did a decent job with that. AC3's tutorial is probably the best in the whole series. You get to see another AC next to you, you get to fight enemies but at low risk, and you have plenty of time to explore while learning the basics.

This is how I would do it:


1. You, as a new pilot, get your first chance in an AC. You execute a "systems test" where the operator tells you each command and after you do it, you get to SET WHAT CONTROL IT SHOULD BE. At the end, you review your control scheme and confirm.

2. Now you go into an actual training exercise alongside an ally. After you both kill a few MTs, you're interrupted by a badass AC that goes after your ally, ignoring you and eventually destroying him (or going into a cutscene where he destroys him, after a few minutes of actual combat where you can see him fly).

3. After that you go to the garage and you can start customizing.

The important point is to show the potential of what you can do, to show the basic commands, AND to strongly emphasize customizing your controls.

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sub-machine gun knees, for when you need to knee and shoot someone at the same time

>>155530164
>>155529362
>>155527798

You make good points. Ultimately, it was a combination of weird decisions, awkward marketing, and a lack of communication between fan and developer that ultimately caused ACV and VD to slip into obscurity. I'll still defend them as above average, make no mistake. But all I can imagine is Bamco at their main office, choking down that sweet Souls money while thinking "Armored Who?" like an unfaithful husband cheating on his wife.

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>>155535315
>"Armored Who?"
I've heard this way too many times.

Newfriend here. So if ACV & VD are set after For Answer, is there any indication how long? Just a few hundred years or is it some crazy bullshit in the thousands?

Curious because I find these kinds of settings where technology stagnates for long periods of time and recovers pretty interesting. It also has that whole "forbidden, ancient taboo" shtick going on with NEXTS and Kojima tech for obvious reasons.

>>155537605
Well, like 99% of the population died out in FA due to Kojima poisoning and/or Strayed genociding fucking everything, and V states that humanity is just coming back from living underground for really long, it's probably at least like 250+ years inbetween. After all, nobody remembers the corporations, or AC tech (it gets reverse engineered from the scraps they find on the surface). But I doubt recordkeeping was a big thing, and I'm pretty sure that people's lifespans were a lot shorter due to bad living circumstances and radiation, so generations would pass faster. And a lot of people likely knew very little about what was happening in FA anyways.

Also, there's a second gap between V and VD where most of the radiation clears. We know that Venide's founder, Cesar Venide, was around at the same time as V's protag. But back the they were just a small band of people who crossed the ocean with Carol's help, and in VD they and Sirius are basically the old rivaling forces, with the Foundation serving as the Establishment. And V's protag, along with Father and the Corporation, have become a legend.
Given how Kojima is basically super nukes and how long nuclear radiation takes to disappear, you can assume that from FA to VD is somewhere between 500-1000 years with V set halfway inbetween.

>>155541946
Oh, and for anyone bringing up the Foundation Man/Isaac, I'm pretty sure his physical body is long gone in VD. I'm also pretty sure Chief kills him after his plan failed at the end of the game.

>>155541946
Very interesting, thanks. I'm writing a fic and I wanted to at least tie in VD if it's part of FA, but my VD copy won't be coming until Monday and world information is pretty scarce. That's a good point about generations passing faster too.

>>155542783
>VD copy
Make sure to get in on them hawt /acg/ sorties

>>155525438
Time to get a tripcode then

>>155527798
>but got NO marketing.

Fucking Bandai, it didnt even have a CGI intro like the others.

>>155533115
since using big weapons on bipeds on V/VD makes you kneel and deploy the leg shield; having a extra weapon for those moments could be fun.

>>155541946
On V, we dont have a specific time on how long has been since FA, but if we take Kojima contamination similar to a nuclear winter, how long is theorized one will last? but from V to VD, we know that the timeframe is 100 years, and during that time both, the factions grew on size and the contamination dissapeared, Sirius and Venide being the first one to make contact, shortly after Evergreen join the fight and has been like that for some decades now.

>>155542114
>Isaac

My headcanon is that he made some bargain with Chief and Carol, about proving how useless is to try to help humanity, they agree to see if his point was true, so they upload him into a computer and gave him power over their machines, but Isaac, after seeing the records from V protag and Cesar, decide that having a "Dark Raven" going around again will make him lose, so he create the reaper squad earlie (the name could have been diferent at first) to hunt down potencial dominants, until VD happen. VD protag makes him lose his beat, somehow proving that humanity can still fight for the better(?) and Chief and Carol delete him shortly afterwars.

>>155542783
>That's a good point about generations passing faster too.

That something that many writers tend to ignore when making a setting on the past or post-apocalypse. The lower amunts of food, medicine, higher body stress since birth (all the struggle to keep living) and usually constant war, makes the lifespan of each generatios to drop. Remember that in ancietn greece being around 60 was the equivalent to being like 120 now, people died at 30 or 40 those days.

Sorry for wall text.

>>155542114
I doubt Isaac was terminated. Most likely he now resides as part of The Corporation's AI network. Japs speculate that he was what was missing for The Corporation's perfect program. Chief loves humanity and sees the potential it holds, Carol looks upon humanity with cold logic and neutrality, while Isaac despises humanity and believes it's human nature to seek their own destruction. Perhaps by attaining a balance between these different attitudes, they end up creating the perfect program to regenerate humanity and sustain relative peace forever.

>>155546608
>they end up creating the perfect program to regenerate humanity and sustain relative peace forever

Ofcourse, humans being humans, they might fuck that plan up.

>>155546696
"We all make mistakes. Don't you think, Raven?"
"We humans need strict supervision. We cannot live on our own."