/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

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First for forgetting to bump the last thread.

dont die on me

>Empyrion (hotfix) 3.4.1 0609
Bug Fixes:
> - Fixed: SV cannot undock / cannot undock after Warp
- Fixed: on-desk screen flickering on computer table and improved color mask (new deco object)
- Fixed error that appeared sometimes in Resume Game menu
- Fixed texture resolution and shadow settings not carrying over when restarting game
- Fixed error that appeared when removing last block on a structure

WAITING ON STILLE FOREVERIALLY

I have to talk to him about some sort of automated update process.

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>no mods that increase spawn rates of spiders
>no mods for ship mounted shotguns
>no mods for indirect fire artillery

>>155029468
how hard would it be to have a projectile follow a ballistic trajectory in spengies?

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Is there a way to start building a grid on one side and the other side simultaneously places the block at the same orientation opposite of the original placed blocked? I'm talking about Space Engineers.

Designing small ships are tedious.

>>155029993
press N , then M to sset the axis

>>155030145
My gosh, I will try it now. Where is the upvote button?

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>>155029904
too hard for keen

>>155030145
>>155030173
its creative only btw

>>155030378
I'm just designing for now. I will project a blueprint on multiplayer. I'm sick of relying on others' creation.

>>155029904
But anon, that's maths n shiet

>>155030179
>ballistic implemented in spengies
>all bullets are 1 block small ship grids
>servers burning over the world
>next week keen fixes it by disabling turrets

>>155032328
I was just thinking that.

Would make gravity shields useful, just have a few spherical generators pushing outwards at full force.

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>>155028642
>PAGE TEN
>>155028865
>>155029236

>>155032620
And now you let ten thousand grids float away in every direction of space, expanding and generating bigger and bigger maps.

Anon you should just take it for the sake of the server.

>>155032328
>>155029904
Well in space there is no gravity and air no drag and hence no ballistics, boolit will go on flying indefinitely

If boolit is small block going fast, when it enters gravitational pull of something, it will start orbiting it until its orbit degrades and it burns up in atmosphere

So doing proper ballistics in spess game would be tricky indeed, but hacking it so gravity suddenly switches on simple parabolic arcs for boolits would be simple

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>>155032328
any good scripts that I can use on some cheap missiles to get them to fire in an arc?
>tfw argentavis spawns and starts broadcastings it's shitty beacons and shitting out drones

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tfw made your car self driving

come on Musk it's not hard

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>>155033207
IKR

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>>155033207
>>155033507
god damn this could have been so much simpler.

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>>155033207

>>155033094
extra thruster on your missile, pointing down, thrust override until pleased. But that already happens in gravity, and why would you want it in space?

>>155033083
Of course there is balistics. There is always travel time, and with longer distances it becomes a problem. Also :
>not wishing for gunfights when breaching giant ships with grav gens

>>155033507
What happened with brick 1?

>>155035473
We don't talk about brick 1

page eight

>>155035313
Travel time is not the same as ballistics in game design terms. Travel time can be simmed with raycasting hitscan on a delay, to do ballistics you model every projectile.

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>>155033572
>>155033873
now make a cute robit

Why can't time just be backwards?

>>155036870
is is though?

>>155036597
But from a game play perspective is? Boolet balistics are described by 4 very simple equations, 3 of them need acceleration (or are used when there is acceleration, such as the one gravity makes on boolets). As there is no acceleration in space boolets in our analogy the only remaining thing would be travel time.
>>155036870
What if it is already backwards? How would you know the difference?

>>155036870
Because you'll be moving faster than light and brain yourself on the ceiling first thing in the morning

>>155037061
why do peoples experience time with things they don't remember in the future?

>>155037061
>But from a game play perspective is? Boolet balistics are described by 4 very simple equations, 3 of them need acceleration (or are used when there is acceleration, such as the one gravity makes on boolets). As there is no acceleration in space boolets in our analogy the only remaining thing would be travel time.
From a gameplay perspecitve spengies use some kind of safety ammo that disitegrates after 800 meters travelled, because nobody wants tiny kinetic missiles travelling astronomical units before they hit something and stop

>>155037204
because if it's backwards, you're backwards too and wouldn't know. you want causality to be backwards

>>155036870
Who said that it's going forward? Time is just be a vector without a body of reference, whichever direction it points in doesn't matter.

>>155037509
>>155036870
>>155037007
>>155037061
IIRC I think Chinese time "moves" in a stack - old things accumulate under, new things on top, but nothing is ever "in the past", only "in the stack". Unsure, though.

>>155034618
well if I could get missiles to approach from outside angles then point defense would have a harder time right?

>>155037694
Different interpretation of an abstract idea that has no grounding in reality. Attributing "direction" to time is a philosophical construct at most.

>>155037694
Are we talking human perception of time or time as in spacetime continuum time

The former is a mystery while the latter has all sorts of nice equations for you to look at

>>155037859
But math model of time is interconected with vectors of movement. If you somehow found a way to move "more forward" than "forward" the time vector will be pointing "backward".

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>>155036626

>>155038214
[citation needed]

HAHA TIME FOR COORDINATE AUTISM AGAIN

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>>155038287
good, now make him trot

>>155038340
"We're as confused as you are"
t. Physicists of planet Earth

>>155037859
>>155037871
Human perception. I understand that spacetime continuum time is directionless and such.

>>155038340
>I don't know anything about relativity

>>155038761
Well human perception of time generally boils down to a spiral of sorts

Possibly because even as we speak we're in fact tumbling through space at a horrifying velocity in a roughly circular orbit

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>>155038761
Therefore it isn't worth discussing.

>>155037705
No, if you use the vanilla 104m/s cap it won't make any difference.
If you're using a speed mod, just make it faster, point defense won't have time to shoot it down even if it goes straight, and if I recall correctly rockets on pirate ships aren't even set to shoot small ships.

If you're concerned it might be shot down, shoot missiles paired with a decoy, or shoot a bunch of them, or a bunch of them and one is the decoy.

The only way to elude turrets targeting is to be moving really fast, or have sharp acceleration.

Can we get some warm bodies to pile onto 73.242.114.95:27016 for a test? The world download will take forever, as a fair warning. Would be nice if we could see how she does under load.

>>155040361
how long is forever at 200KB/s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-7IzZ4Akc

>tfw i was there when empyrion first released

>back when assemblers couldn't auto-craft, there was no world map, CV's couldn't enter planets, and players had to be in the same ship to leave the planet

never forget

>>155037694
I'm learning some chinese and that doesn't make much sense from what I learned so far. But I'm 95% illiterate. The only thing is that you don't change the verbs to suit time.

>>155038929
Are you writing your thoughts? Because "Relativity" is not "Math model" of time. Time is a vector that composes space time in relativity, but in other things (non relativistic)? Nope. It's a scalar

>>155038559
Im into Vtols now, robots are still impossible because rotors are weak as shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLmkaQ2x2y0

>>155042084
You deleted the blueprint from workshop before I had the chance to save it for myself btw

>>155041703
Do not respond to the normie "science is so cool!" retard.

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>>155042330
Well, now this is going to be there unless it changes drastically, like a new branch over the v10 prototype.
The other old one is going 404 as soon as the bug report is done.
Rotors are still broken in the gun hands.
The rest works pretty well.

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Related.

>>155042961
To what?

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>>155042957
Gotta see if shakes like this still.

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>when you're trying to build a tank but clang says no

>>155044669
>turret on turret
Tovarich, the KV4 was not a good idea...

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Is stalker /egg/, /egg/?

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>>155045769
>no gravitational anomaly planet to explore in spengos
maximum pain and suffering

>>155043151
U F O

P O R N O

>>155045769
At least they weren't bradleys

>>155046260
>Engineer Slav-47
>Win game

>>155028642
>Games that are definitely not /egg/:
>you-know-what
W-what is it?

>>155047428
kat space penis

>>155047482
Oh, right.

>>155047482
kiloton space pinata you say?

>>155047428
Robocraft.

>>155048091
the only thing inside that pinata is >>>/trash/

/ded/er than usual

>>155051503
I'm depressed, man. I'm not up to speaking with anyone. Not suicidal or anything.

>>155051503
I spengineered all day, now I need a break.

Are we really having arguments over how time works?

>>155053207
No.

>>155053207
where?

>>155053207
That was a few months ago

>>155053636
oh

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888mph we timetravel now.
Oh shit I already jumped almost a week in the future just by taking a screenshot.
Is this still current year?

stay alive you bastard

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>>155055180
time is dead and meaning has no meaning

>>155056864
Will there be a time when keen will stop to fuck up?

>>155057063
Marek got gassed, so in a few aeons maybe.

>>155057063
Reality Is An Illusion, The Universe Is A Hologram Buy Gold.

>>155057063
Its grow a beard waiting game.
Spengos was born in the last bit of the gtx700
Saw the gtx900 come and go, and now its seing the gtx1000, born in the last bit of haswell, and saw skylake born, and prolly get replaced with the newer one, its what i have from reference.
If theorically reach beta when the 1100 series comes out, yea, it will be a point when the hardware and software will overcome anything.

Even today playing games at machines that overcome everything that the engine throws at it, you wont notice how shit is optmizied when the hardware is actually struggling to get there, you have to go to the task manager and put low priority because it stutters every x ammount of seconds and play with options here and there.

So, yes, when the game is finally released and 100% complete. in 4 more years.
Unless they put pretty makeup and release it as finnished, like doing good looking blocks.. OHSHIT.

Post your made up RP stories for when you play singleplayer Spengies

>>155057185
Why Are You Typing Like This Find Your Own

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>>155056864
>/egg/ - time theory and selfhelp group general

>realistic sounds weren't added to the stable branch

just

So, treating one point as an origin, I've found the distance to Klendathu's surface is

51 from 0,0,0
72 from 0,0, -27
57 from 0,15, -27

so that gets me

2601=x^2+y^2+z^2
5184=x^2+y^2+(z+27)^2
3249=x^2+(y-15)^2+(z+27)^2

Trusting the calculator more than my own math, Combining the first two spheres yields a z value of 34.353, and plugging that into the first sphere yields their intersection: a circle of 1421=x^2+y^2

this is where my brain fails me and I have a hard time figuring out how to implement the third circle

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>>155059676
They hurt performance really bad sometimes.

>>155061057
This is so fucking ridiculous. Is there anyway we can just use the source code to completely revamp Space Engineers, adding performance enhancing code without Marek taking it for himself and profiting?

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>>155061024
klendathu's center*

and this is after gather new coords, the ones i posted last thread have no bearing on these ones

>>155061159
Not under its current license.
You'll have to kill marek and wear his skin.

>>155061159
>rebuild space engineers in unreal or cryengine or any better engine
If i knew that much

anybody want to play some multiplayer factorio with bob's and angel's mods? (ores and processing, no petrochem)

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beb

>>155061024
Are we building a dyson sphere my man?

>>155064268
I really wish there was a game where you could build a Dyson Sphere or a space elevator and use it
maybe if you could "bake" an object and have it no longer have physics it would work but then it would just be a prop or set piece and not really a piece of engineering
plus shit gets fucky in SE when it's so big that it can go from a planet surface all the way to space

>>155064268
getting a general location of the planet's center.

The spheres i'm referring to are the possible coordinates generated from the distance I got from each point.

The three coordinate spheres intersect at -roughly- the center of the planet

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Leaked pics of spangos serbian

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>>155065362
It's not about the destination it's about they journey.
>1000 square meters full of conveyored refineries
>processing millions of tons of steel every hour
>/egg/men submerging into the planet's surface to mine anything vaguely useful
>space /egg/men in orbit suppiled by a fleet of disposable hydrogen rockets with materials they need
>working 24/7 to build a colossal megastrcuture
>sim speed: 0.01
>players 0/20

>>155061024
I just ran through it in my head, but it looks like that the x won't be real.
You get the value of X related to Y from the last equation, you plug it into your result and find Y.
Point is this Y is pretty big, and when you go put it in the equation you have again you get something like 1000=x^2+100^2, which means x^2 = negative number.
Are you sure about the coordinates?
I'm shit at maths desu

>>155065362
>Dyson
How do you even pronounce dyson? I say it as Dai-son. Or is it dee-son

>>155066401
Die-sen.

>>155066401
Vacuums are die/dai/dye-son

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>>155066401
>tfw waiting for the one contrarian fag to say it's "Dis-On".

>>155066098
I know you'll likely get two coordinates

even looking at the trilateration page on wikipedia, i'm having a hard time figuring out how to plug in what i;ve gotten at the last step

>>155065636
I lost the part where you present the problem. Could you state what you are trying to do and give me your measurements? I never played on serbian

>>155066401
https://translate.google.com/#en/en/freeman%20dyson

click "listen"

>>155066863
I don't trust botnet because it gets my chinese sounds all wrong.

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>>155066007
>any outsider ship that so much as is spotted by the industrious /egg/men is assaulted by high precision drones designed to destroy defenses and immobilize the target
>the ship and live spaceman inside is dragged back to the staging area
>dropped into a huge grinding machine to salvage for supplies
>like bees using their body heat to kill an intruder the eggmen will win with sheer numbers

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>>155065880

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>tfw i cant make a transformers tonk

>>155066663
a) 1421=x^2+y^2

b) 3249=x^2+(y-15)^2+(z+27)^2

brev1) 3249-(y-15)^2-(z+27)^2=x^2
btw z is 103/3

brev2) -4615/9 -(y-15)^2 = x^2

combine brev2 and a

1421 = -4615/9 -(y-15)^2 +y^2

solve for y

1421+512.77 = y^2-y^2 +30y -225

y= 71.96 we rounded some numbers

Put it back into a and get X
this is the problem
1421=x^2 + 5178

x^2=1421-5178
x^2= -3757

which gives you x = +- 61.3i
good luck getting there

When did you faggots get this bad at math, fucking christ

>>155067751
Who needs math when you have big stompy robots?

>>155067654
>complex co-ordinates on a cartesian plane
wew lad

>>155068238
It's CLANG, I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>155066856
I'm trying to determine the coordinates of one of our planet's center. None of the numbers are entirely accurate, but rounding them

I gathered several points from the planet to triangulate the distances from the points

The hard coords are
2172062.5,1585091.62, 1722912, with a distance of 50914.5 from center
2171832.75, 1584947.62, 1695630.62 with a distance of 72399
2172013.75, 1599787.5, 1695530.88 and a distance of 57199

translating the first point into the origin gives
0,0,0
-244, -144, -27281.38
-48, 14695.88, -27381.12

>>155068435
Given the inability to get particularly accurate measurements, I rounded everything to the nearest kilometer,

0,0,0 and 51
0,0, -27 and 72
0, 15, -27 and 57

>>155068718
>nearest kilometer
>the target is somewhere within this 1km3 area
>good luck soldier

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Is gmod /egg/?

>>155068757
It's a 120km planet. Missing the very center by a km or two. The primary use here is effectively jumping to planets from anywhere in the system. Knowing the planet's center and the reach of its grav well will let someone jump right up to the planet without the guesswork of calibrating.

>>155069085
Gmod is pretty much the most /egg/

>>155069085
Unfortunately its physics can be worse than spengies, and object/constraint count before it gets really laggy is about 200. Also its combat mods are shit. SHIT.

>>155069163
missing by a km or two won't have much impact*

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Where do i even start making ships in Starmade?

Theres so many different systems in the game and things to consider I dont even know where to start.

Should I build some turrets, and then build a ship that will fit those turrets? Should I build an emtpy frame and just shove shit inside that and then make turrets fit that? Should I just make huge blocks shit like wepaons and power gens and then cover it with a skin of armor to look nice?

>made nice ship
>proud of it
>only has 100,000 shields
>find out most peoples weapons do 100,000-500,000 per hit, and sometimes even upwards of millions when its missiles

>>155069701
>>155069163
Though, at this rate, I think it might be easier to first track down the size of the planets, track down the surface's extremes along its poles, then estimate the distance to center by it's size

>>155069085
Yes. Unfortunately it's one of the deadest games due to no server and people moving on to spengies/etc.

>>155070460
literally fucking drive into the gravity well at three points and record your position and the gravity vector
find where they intersect
fucking presto

goddamn idiots

>>155070460
Diameter is 120km.

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>>155070689
>record your position and the gravity vector
>record your gravity vector

>>155070689
See fucking >>155068435

I know where the center of the fucking planet is from the points i've gathered

What I CAN'T figure out is how to translate that into the coordinate system. Read the conversation before jumping in like that.

>>155070845
He means just drop a few feet along gravity to get the direction to make a line.

>>155071012
and that's -literally- what i did

>>155071012
I didn't, but good on your for actually problemsolving.

>>155071068
can't you get on the surface, record your gps position, flight straight upwards (perfect leveling obtained by jetpack autoalign with gravity) a few hundred meters), record your position again, then trace a line through it and you know that the center is about 60km below that, on that line?
Get the module for a 100meters change and multiply it by 600 would be the fastest way.

>>155071801
Actually that would work pretty well. Land on the planet, fly straight up 100m, get the coordinate change, then transform the surface coord 600 times in the opposite direction.

I'd have not thought of something that simple, thanks.

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L m a. O I'm s
Too drunk for this shit u niggas be mad autism desu

>>155072429
autism made the computer you're using to post over autismnet

>>155072429
>too drunk to autism

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>>155072690

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>>155072429
>tfw too high to calculate power target and ran out of power in the mid of nowhere

Space. The final Frontier.

Until the Multiverse

>>155075534
Final frontier is futzing with natural laws and manipulating reality on a massive scale.

>>155076543
Like something to literally disolve reality?
you have to avoid all that unexpected nuclear fusion going on.

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>.18 sim speed
>65% CPU usage

we should change the name of the general to /egbg/ Engineering Game Blog General, so all you fags can keep bumping with

>muh simspeed shit
>ooga booga
>:^(

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>>155078334
Fine, I will post shitty webms, I am just trying to contribute but I have issues so my conversation and people skills are shoddy as fuark.

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>>155077990
>performance on old world not doing so well even though we're using a 1km long ship
>frames still good, sim speed still okay
>decide it must be because memory leaks
>make a new world and copy over the grid
>solid 15 fps and .6 simspeed just standing still on earth

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>>155078620
>Sim speed briefly goes down to 0.02

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>>155078812
Its like you never played with constant 0.08.

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OY VEY NEVER FORGET THE PICTURE-IN-PICTURE LCD MOD

>>155079909
Why don't we have this in Warbros?

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Hey guys! You ever heard of this game called Avorion?

It looks fun and exciting.

>>155080110
it requires a seperate install, also i think it's dead

>>155079909
I can hear the framerate being halved

>>155080824
We played the demo when it came out and it looks really promising.

WOULD BE NICE IF THE DEV RELEASED ANYTHING ELSE EVER

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>>155082049
it ran very well, actually. The dev was a wizard

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Anyone on the spengies serb wanna rumble?

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Is there an app to meet engineers in my area?

>>155082876
Like a space battle? Sure, I just need a ship.

>>155083549
Grindr. I live in Seattle if one of you fags want to meet. No drugs except maybe alcohol.

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>>155080824
>game just got released
>google avorion
>you mean.. "abortion"
>results for pro abortion
Hell of a kek.

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>>155083927
Blimey he wasn't kidding

>>155082632
>it ran very well, actually. The dev was a wizard
Nah, I can see now camera screens themselves run at 10 fps. Reasonable compromise, but no wizardry.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNEyvVgbJw

/egg/ related, also MAGA

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OH FUCK R2DINDU IS BACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-opjbhldN8

me irl

>a bunch of minor happenings
>public masturbation is now legal in pastaland
Today was a good day.

>>155085493
>pipes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfW0ke4bwI4

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>>155065880

>>155087025
>ted cruz tries to save the internet

>>155087410
Silly Rato, that doesn't look like a series of tubes at all!

>>155085451
>>155085362
>50 minutes of no explosion/10

Why is it that whenever I try and make anything remotely interesting like a space spider that can grab onto things and saw them apart clang obliterates it.

>>155088623
You didn't praise Him hard enough.
Go to a scrapyard and get some shit to make a shrine to Him.

degg

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Good night /egg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V7kXcIowl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Ysju0qfZU

https://youtu.be/Lm50mtea3ZM

>>155095251
>iridium constellation
That image made me go to wikipedia. Neat shit, that.

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engineering more deadly weapons to destroy bugs every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9MVhVKMsY

>>155096847
>Blocked in your country on copyright grounds
>American movie
>Blocked in America
I fucking hate copyright laws sometimes.

>>155096947
>germania
>i can watch it
:^)

>>155066042
>I grouped my fuel tanks

holy crap I've got to fix this

>>155066042
Game?

>>155096947
>American movie
>Blocked in America
Land of the free and brave you can pirate it.

>>155097665
>living in university housing
Not unless I want to get kicked out and fined.

>>155097726
There are alternatives. Several sites that let you view blocked YT vids.

Anyone have the pastebin for joining the serb?

>>155070135
it depends on the application

Is it a straight up combat ship? Start with power, shields and weapons, laid out in a shiplike shape according to what you can afford, not what you have the patience for. Patience is probably the most expensive resource in starmade. Then armor it all up, and apply whatever faction flavor or personal touches to the design you want. Add extra systems in the gaps, like jump drive, scanner, jump inhibitor. Make sure from the start that the core is accessible, but also protected with doors and failsafes (put a pulse weapon in the core room to flush out boarding parties) If the ship is so large that you're hitting the 2m power regen cap with lots of room to spare, consider adding aux generators (sometimes its best not to, in the name of survivability). Experiment in singleplayer with turrets.

Is it a cloaker? Start with power grid until you can remain power stable while jumping, cloaked and jammed, and then make the hull entirely out of decorative blocks to lower the weight of the ship. The only weapons you're likely to have enough power to fire from a cloaker is docked warhead torpedoes, so don't worry about weapons.

Is it a support combat ship? Start with recon. What is the weakness of the predicted enemy? Fly a cloaker into the enemy base and noclip around their ships. What levels of power regen do their ships have? Are they using capacitor-expensive weapons (pulse secondaries, beam secondaries, missile primaries)? Factor this into considering EMP effect or drain effects (or both, with logic control). Are they using large batteries of missiles, for example heatseekers? Consider covering the ship in AMS, alternatively make a drone carrier with AMS drones. Does the enemy have few but very large ships that you need to hold in place while you gank them? Consider making a dedicated jump inhibitor ship, fragile but with over-the-top power regen and nothing but jump inhibitors.

Is it a miner/hauler? Just make big cube with engines

>>155098689
http://pastebin.com/uPudaAyJ

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Robbits!

>>155068435
Download a program called geogebra, round up those numbers and insert points and spheres there. Or any other geometry app.

>>155101427
as much as this is solid advice, i can't help but think humanity is going to go down the drain in 50 years with our increased dependency on apps and computers to do simple things for us

we better get functional AI in that time so we have something to babysit us or we're toast

>>155101995
It's just easier to visualize as that guy doesn't seem to to be the math type. But he made a mess of reference points and measurements so I don't even know what he is doing. But that sort of vector shit is just working with every coordinates separately and if you want the resultant vector just add them up vectorially. Geogebra won't do the math for him, only present a 3D/2D model to show him wtf he is doing.

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>>155099582
That's a lot of flux capacitors.

>>155102319
modern supercomputers are all about going back in time in intervals to tell the supercomputer what it already did so it can compute more stuff in the same time

>>155101995
As long as [Common Knowledge] progresses at a steady rate, I would not worry too much.

more complex knowledge is readily available, and easily taught, as we advance within fields of science, similiar to how most people could not read a while ago, now illiteracy is a very minor concern.

>>155102151
He just took one of the point as reference instead of world origin, he had the distance of unknown point from three other known points, he made three spheres to see where they would intersect.

>>155102782
So just add the vectors (coordinates for each point) that are in the reference to a random point to the position vector of the REFERENCE POINT YOU USED (in relation to 0,0,0) to get them zeroed in.

>>155102893
that are in reference*

>>155102584
there's a limit to how much a human can know, though. at some point academics are going to hit the barrier where you have to forego a bunch of knowledge to attain the higher level stuff. in fact, we're already there with how computers work.

who in this thread knows how to write lines of code, manipulate computer-human interfaces and even build a computer from components?

who in this thread also knows how a modern multi-core processor is structured and built, from scratch?

it's that stuff that bothers me. if a technological catastrophe happens and we're left with nothing but scraps and spare parts, we'd probably be able to get around. very few people would be able to assemble a working radio transmitter, but we wouldn't starve. our modern cars would break down but we still know how they fucking work and we have old cars in circulation and can reverse engineer that shit.

if instead, 50 or 100 years into the future, when we're basically living surrounded by all sorts of hyper-powerful computer technology, when everything in our lives is dictated by social media and the internet, when cars and trucks drive themselves, when food is dispensed as opposed to bought. say a technological catastrophe happens and we're left with nothing but scraps and spare parts. people would literally fucking starve. people wouldn't be able to make working radio transmitters or receivers. it would be a fucking dark age.

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i have no idea what i'm doing when it comes to cram cannons but this thing does a boatload of damage so i guess it's ok

>>155103135
Books, nigga, what are they?

>>155104185
i wouldn't know, i haven't touched a book in 2 years

do you think people will give a shit about books in 50 years? will todays books even physically last to 2060?

>>155104332
Fuck off, nigger.

>>155103135
>who in this thread knows how to write lines of code, manipulate computer-human interfaces and even build a computer from components?
>who in this thread also knows how a modern multi-core processor is structured and built, from scratch?
I do.

>>155104332
>this post
What the fuck. If some shoddy papyrus scrolls can last literal millennia then you'd expect that safely stored books would last a few years.

>>155104518
>i know how a modern multicore processor is built and could probably build or tell a guy how to build one, from scratch, without referencing a manual

mad props man

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>>155104658
>shoddy papyrus

>>155105243
The point is, knowledge does not need to be in our heads at all times. It needs to be archived, and it is. We have decentralised, worldwide network of knowledge, that is growing daily. We are putting all our findings somewhere, physically and digitally.

We have found the problem to be that one human cannot master all crafts in one lifetime, so we diversified. It doesn't mater if the redneck down the road doesn't follow the memes around the EM drive, or has no care for the large hardon collider in my pants. As long as some of us stay in touch with the peaks of our technology, we are going forward.

And we are.

Is there an engineering game with a strong focus on creating the actual AI of your engineered thingy?

>>155105549
Okay, you philosophical retard.

>>155105549
it would still come crashing down harder in 100 years than it would now is my point

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Got a working motorbike in scrap mechanic now.

Admittedly I did watch a tutorial for the glitch behind it, but chose to set mine up very differently. They were automating lean, I'm automating turn and leaving the lean up to you which I think is more fun.

>>155105814
Not really. The educational system basically makes you go through everything. Doesn't mean you need to remembering everything, but you keep what you need as you go forward

>>155103135
>there's a limit to how much a human can know, though. at some point academics are going to hit the barrier where you have to forego a bunch of knowledge to attain the higher level stuff

I was having a discussion with my brother about this.
To make new scientific advances, humans have to work in larger and larger groups with more and more funding. This is waaay different from the 19th century for instance, where so many advances came from rich guys using their money and studying stuff independantly.

So I figure the only way to advance past a certain point will be with either AI, or using eugenics to create a smarter human.

>>155107219
>subscription-based

dropped

>>155107352
It's like EVE Online, you can use in-game currency to buy one-month subscription.

I want it to be real.

But.

>you can do everything

I'm skeptical.

>>155107219
Why are you shilling yet another "look we have this game NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE EVER BEFORE in which YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT with THOUSANDS OF OTHER PLAYERS AT ONCE" you piece of shit?

>>155107721
Yeah let's all just play spengies; it's not like it's totally broken or something :^)

>>155107790
"Hey, pay up for a game planned to release in 2018"

>>155107868
"Hey, pay up for CLANG"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

Anons please help me, the revised building system is fucking me up good right now, been googling for 15 minutes but didn't find anything. How do I make a station instead of a large ship grid?

>>155107219
Because it's another kikestarter with promises instead of proofs.

>>155108149
racist

>tfw need to write testbenches manually instead of the shithead that makes FPGA toolsets making a function that permutes the input signal values
Fuck engineering.

>>155108149
This.
So far they've shown only shit.
Also we haven't seen any rotors or whatever and I don't think they even ever talked about them.

>>155107905
You'll have to shill harder. If your fix to CLANG is "lol no moving parts ever" you're even worse than Keen, and that says a lot.

>>155107997
There is now a button in the ship menu to convert to station where the convert to ship button is, or if you build it into an asteroid it will be a station. Not sure if there are other ways.

>>155108698
>2016
>he can't program moving parts

>>155068435
Why not go for spherical coordinates?

>>155068435
aurism

>>155108723
the asteroid thing worked, thank you anon!

>>155108508
>thinking they're gonna add in moving parts to dual

just no. imagine the CLANG if every player in a frickin MMO slapped joints on every single thing they own

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>>155109772
egg requires a healthy amount of autism

>>155109990
Imagine the lack of server stability

>Someone in your shard makes a monster that constantly CLANGs and throws a perpetual motion machine at it

>"Server Not Responding (420 seconds)"

>>155109761
Because spherical coordinates would make it more complicated. He already has everything neatly in cartesian.

>>155110509
there's only going to be one shard

think eve online

>>155111012
Eve online has multiple shards. Most if not all MMOs do. It means your entire game doesn't go down if one server croaks.

>>155111323
eve online has multiple shards, that's true. the regular one(Tranquility), the test shards and the chinese shard. there's also the temporary shards, like the tournament shard

the only one you'll ever be playing on is Tranquility however and i think dual has it set to be the same way.

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Now miniturized the motorbike tech into a much smaller package scootimo. I thought I might invoke clang as it involves clipping, but its clangfree (tm)

>>155111952
Nice.

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>>155111952
>>155112053
now with webm

in anonimoose pantheon, is CLANG above or below meme magic?

>>155112426
CLANG clanged straight through meme magic and ascended as a separated god.
CLANG is no more an egg thing, CLANG is the universe itself.

>>155112426
>below
It will be such a shame when your ship clangs into pieces just as the game autosaves.

>>155112308
CLANG is seperate from meme magic church of worship, as it's chaos only leads to more chaos, and can never be truly harnessed.

>>155107219
>https://youtu.be/QeZtqoydXpc?t=1m48s
>our solution to handling server load is essentially calculated lag!
>watch and be amazed as we've intentionally made people in the distance look choppy and terrible
>this only gets worse as ships get larger, so you'll have no idea where huge things really are if you're in large ship-v-ship combat

pass. I wanted to like dual universe when it got showcased at E3, but it was dead in the water as soon as the lead dev did an interview after the presentation where he talked about their "revolutionary server tech" i.e. intentional lag, and then proceeded to elaborate that since everything is "in the past" any sort of combat is pretty much played for you since you can't be expected to hit things when the game won't even be capable of showing you where they really are.

>>155107219
>fucking
Fuck back off to /x/.

Reminder to everyone here to not back any games. Don't buy into anymore Early Access games. This has to stop.

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>>155107219
Oh and advertising is against the rules.Do your part /egg/.

>>155117641
t. spengies burnout

>>155117641
>>155118007
it's related to the thread. not to support advertisement but seriously, fuck you

>>155111843
I laugh at your understanding of networks.

>>155118007
>everything I don't like is advertising

>>155118197
please elaborate where i'm wrong so i can't do it again

>>155118197
Fuck off goons

>>155116005
But honestly, how else are they supposed to support space voxel combat on a literal MMO scale if they don't do that?

What's your expert opinion?

>>155118275
EvE Online runs on a distributed, virtualised, networked cluster of segmented "regions", each seamlessly connected. Each of these "regions" uses resources of the network, and these resources can be scaled up or down based on need, load, failure or maintenance. What you, as a player, perceive as "one shard", is, in reality, many machines (most virtual) that work in concert.

There isn't a single server. There is dozens, if not more. Any "seamless" MMO has a similar system in place. Doesn't matter if it's Skyfudge, ArSheAge, Blacked Pudding, Guilty Wars 2 or any of the others. Even World of Whorecraft does that. They used to run physical clusters back in the day, though. That changed as technology progressed.

>Scrap mechanics webms have appeared

I've been away from /egg/ for a while, is Scrap Mechanics suddenly good now or something?

>>155119384
>good
the bar was never that high

>>155118843
Yeah chiming in here I thought this was common knowledge that serverspeeds are scaled based on player interaction within the region, like the massive slow-downs during epic-scale combat between hundreds and hundreds of players?

And the fact that they're separate regions means that if one place slows down, no other place NEEDS to slow down?

>>155118172
Fuck you. Keep your advertising on >>/biz/

>>155118501
Honestly, I'm not an expert on servers, so I don't have an expert opinion to give you. That being said, not knowing how to fix a problem doesn't remove the problem itself.

Really it just has so many outright issues that can't be ignored - if I can't reliably tell where another player is, how will I shoot him if he boards my large ship and he's far enough away to lag? Will the game attempt to use a skill system to shoot him for me, in which case I'll have needed to grind out accuracy levels in advance if I want to hit? Or will everyone have the same chance-to-hit RNG, which means any and all firefights of equal firepower come down to luck? How will dogfighting work - how will I shake a fighter that's chasing me if he's just far enough away to where he starts lagging out on my end? What if I'm in a fleet with other large ships - how will I avoid accidentally crashing into where they actually are as opposed to where I see them at, since large ships will always be far enough away from you to lag due to their size? Will movement/piloting even be manual, or will it have to be somewhat automatic like EVE to mitigate these issues?

If you wanna be optimistic about it by all means feel free to do so, but as it stands dual universe isn't going to live up to what little hype it has unless they address and resolve these basic mechanical problems.

It would be so frakkin amazing if parts of the map on Ced's server was able to be instanced on other people's computers.

I can assemble a small group of i3 6100s , overclocked to 4.6 ghz, equipped desktops to handle the load on different planets, different sectors of the star system map.

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What is the /egg/enheimer way to dispose of leftover ore in spengies?

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>spacetruckin intensifies

>>155122547
Build a gravity gun and launch that ore to some planet

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>>155122587
>or maybe spaceutin

>>155119746
That's right. They have disjointed regions for that explicit purpose. Action in A does not make B suffer.

>>155121797
Tyrsis had a multi-server system going and working until Keen killed it by virtue of "Update - Bugfixes and Improvements :^)"

>>155122547
Stone, Gravel, Iron Ore and Iron can be killed using the Desolver.

>>155121275
>Really it just has so many outright issues that can't be ignored - if I can't reliably tell where another player is, how will I shoot him if he boards my large ship and he's far enough away to lag? Will the game attempt to use a skill system to shoot him for me, in which case I'll have needed to grind out accuracy levels in advance if I want to hit? Or will everyone have the same chance-to-hit RNG, which means any and all firefights of equal firepower come down to luck? How will dogfighting work - how will I shake a fighter that's chasing me if he's just far enough away to where he starts lagging out on my end? What if I'm in a fleet with other large ships - how will I avoid accidentally crashing into where they actually are as opposed to where I see them at, since large ships will always be far enough away from you to lag due to their size? Will movement/piloting even be manual, or will it have to be somewhat automatic like EVE to mitigate these issues?
Here's the thing; update-rate-limited players aren't "lagging out"; if they did their netcode right, if you put your gun on them and shoot, they should die.

If they did the update rate code right, update rate should scale with both distance and relative velocity, so a speedy ship that's far away (or a stationary ship you're closing on rapidly) would still get updated frequently. optimally, refresh rate should almost be a function of traversal rate.

>>155123371
Maybe everyone that wishes to play on these instanced servers download a pirated copy of the game, bypassing the Steam forced auto update cycle?

>>155124420
That was over a year ago.

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>>155124287
>Here's the thing; update-rate-limited players aren't "lagging out"; if they did their netcode right, if you put your gun on them and shoot, they should die.

So if I see someone where they were, say, half a second ago, and shoot them, it should hit? For the guy getting shot, they're going to have already made it behind cover on their screen, then fall over and die. Even if it's not as big a gap as half a second, it's still gonna feel weird since it can't be instant. Maybe I'm just misreading what you're saying here, but if I'm not then your solution comes with its own set of pretty serious problems.

>If they did the update rate code right, update rate should scale with both distance and relative velocity, so a speedy ship that's far away (or a stationary ship you're closing on rapidly) would still get updated frequently. optimally, refresh rate should almost be a function of traversal rate.

In a perfect world, yeah, you'd be right - but if this were the case you could theoretically crash out an area just by having a ton of fast ships in it. As in, if the game can only support X units updating quickly (which is true, since that's the whole reason the game has this system in place), and someone comes in with any more than X ships that are all going fast enough to need to be updated quickly, then what happens? Do you get overloaded since it doesn't know how to reconcile updating that many enemies quickly, or does it try to only update some of them quickly, thereby preserving performance but adding on the risk that one of the ships that isn't updating quickly can be the one that kills you?


Really though, none of this matters too much since apparently ship-v-ship combat didn't make it into the bare minimum of the game's features, so if it doesn't make more than the current minimum of $500,000 it might just never happen anyway.

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>>155122547
make monumentally monuments

>>155103135
Nigger I'l' have rate production of primitive electronic components within ten years. I'll have electromechanical 4-bit machines built from post-collapse components in 15. Before then I'll have machines built of salvage and low-complexity salvage tech before the end of the first year. The trick is using intact salvage to begin and interface to your new machines built of salvage from component parts as well as low-tech computing solutions like Z80-based hardware intended to directly interface with salvage tech on a bit level. We'll have working TI calculators well into the apocalypse, might as well use them since our rack-built systems made from newly constructed primitive discrete components will be about on the same level of tech complexity once we get to settlement mainframes. It won't be difficult to do simple digital transmissions from spark-gap radio sets, either.

>>155108698
Corneroids
Did
Not
Have
Moving
Parts
This
Argument
Should
Be
A
Three
Day
Ban

>>155126729
the fuck did i just read

>>155126729
congratulations, you're now one of the lucky few people in the apocalypse with a radio transmitter and you're 3 days away from getting horribly mangled by raiders who have a radio receiver

>>155127231
>we'll have shit like atom laptops a while then we'll be down to simple computers we made by pulling stuff off busted circuit boards and graphing calculators and eventually we'll have our own shit and start from UNIVAC again

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>>155127450
>atom laptops
It began because I sugested a dude to use Geogebra to visualize his vectors better. Why the fuck you people so stupid? How many of you are actually in a engineering course/finished college on non-meme degrees like business and computer science?

>>155128015
>CS
>non-meme degree
Looks like you got meme'd on chap.

>>155128015
>cs
>business
>non meme degrees

>>155128015
>non-meme degrees like business and computer science?
>computer science
>non-meme

oh lord

>>155128102
Fuck. I meant meme degrees. I meme'd myself

Even if somehow all technology is destroyed, an average person in a first world country knows about Penicillin and how to get it. The sure-tale signs of sickness and disease. and the importance of sanitation and quarantines.

A couple of second year engineering school dropouts can assemble a makeshift electricity generating machine and batteries and even simple computers.

Everyone knows how to maintain a garden. Iron work will be a tough for many, though.

>>155128357
> first world country knows about Penicillin
No, neither do you.
>electricity generating machine
Known in the academia as a generator.
>simple computers
no?
>maintain a garden
No.
> importance of sanitation and quarantines.
Definitively no.

I'll give you 8/b8. Go to >>>/trash/ and come back when you have your oficial, /kspg/ approval Class 8 shitposter card

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who /UCAV/ here?

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>>155128357
>Everyone knows how to maintain a garden.

>>155128015
Nigger I never even went to college. I just know how to make low level hardware because that's my shit. Atom laptops have the lowest power requirements of full x86 hardware and are thus the best case for maintaining one last gasp of pre-collapse capability based on simple battery life until we get to the point nothing is left but a billion TI-83s and we have to start pulling components and making our own discrete 4004 clones if we want anything new.


>>155129008
>stick shit in ground
>water
>pull weeds
Every fucking six year old knows this.

>>155129148
I wasn't even going to respond to that bait. Maybe that poster is around the kind of people that think gay marriage funds ISIS, and prayer should of stayed in schools.

Let's be realistic: moving parts are the bane of /egg/ games.

>>155129148
I never heard of "Atom computers". What are you talking about retard? And anyone can learn digital logic and do it with discrete components. Making a computer is something else. You might be looking for a physician.
>stick shit in ground
>water
>pull weeds
>>155129316
Same likes of the >solar panels are a leftist construct poster

>>155129337
And also the core.

>>155129337
>Let's be realistic: moving parts are the bane of /svgg/ games.

>>155129393
>>Let's be realistic: moving parts are the bane of /corneroid general/ games

>>155129374
>doesn't remember the craptastic but low power Intel Atom

>>155128357
>an average person in a first world country knows about Penicillin and how to get it

I don't think you can really get the same effect by scraping a mouldy bit of bread onto your wounds

>>155129374
>Making a computer is something else.

Yeah, doing it repeatedly in little modules and then hooking them to a bus and memory. Your point?

>>155129381
>>155129337
truly we live in a unique hell, where the essence of what makes a game that we would like is also the bane of its existence

and while we eagerly await avorion and dual for their promises of a space voxel game with actual gameplay, we cannot help but also quietly disregard them because we know they wont satisfy our hunger for CLANG

He has come to be in such a way that we are part of Him, and He is a part of us

>>155129554
>>155129736
>this american retarded prepper thing of post-apocalypse
>making a CMOS processor out of nothing
nothin personel kid, but my point is that you are retarded

>>155129805
whuh, why did you quote me for that

i feel insulted

>>155129805
>MAKING intel atoms
No you nigger, you salvage the still using laptops and use them until they break for their low power draw.

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>>155129148
>>stick shit in ground
>>water
>>pull weeds
>Every fucking six year old knows this.

>>155129907
>still using
Still working, rather.

And
https://hackaday.io/project/665-4-bit-computer-built-from-discrete-transistors
It's not hard

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>professionals
this is now a cringe thread

>>155129880
Sorry anon.
>>155129907
B-b-but my post-apocaliptic wild wet dreams are the ones where all computers are toasted by a high atmospheric tatical stealth eeeampee. Or where the aliens? Or a virus.. Jesus I don't know there are so many hypothetical possible inapplicabilities. What if I cut my finger disassembling said post apocaliptic imaginary and completely theoretical computer and die of infection? Will humanity still make penicillin and gardening?

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>>155130087
>used micro-controllers
>used ICs
>4 bit
Go and stay go physician

>>155130293
You become Master Blaster and bark orders from atop your mentally stunted but massive son.

>>155130539
>I wanted to avoid soldering 640 transistors by hand because that would be excessive
http://www.homebrewcpu.com/
Stop being a faggot.

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>>155129337
>>155129393
bane?

>>155128702
... you can't maintain a garden?

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>>155129908
I don't know what third-world countries you non-Americans crawled from but we were growing lima bean plants in classrooms before the students were hitting puberty.