/mbg/ - Mount & Blade General

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frank is a fucking genius

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>>154881441

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I'm posting Cao Cao in honour of the poster who was posting in honour of the original Cao Cao poster until we get a good Romance of the three kingdoms mod.

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>>154881612

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>You will never raid the countryside of East Anglia with your three best bros

Why even live?

>M&B is on consoles tomorrow
what do?

nth for Death Grips references and on-topic posts living in harmony

>>154881919
PREPARE THE FLOODGATES

ACOCK MINIMOD

YES OR NO

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Prima Nocta is the birthright of every Noble.

>>154881990
No. Stay away from that entire dumpster fire.
>>154881746
>>154881904
>>154881441
>>154881612
>>154881763
>>154882001
hahahaha let's le hit image limit le again le! We've already seen your stupid fucking meme pictures, fuck off.

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Sounds like you need a pure steppe waifu, anon. But...

>You will never have a pure steppe waifu

Why even live?

>>154881950
i wonder how it runs, and i assume it's vanilla only. I hope it's a good port

>>154882001
Nobles are dirt before the divine.

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I'm posting The Humungus, The Lord Humungus, The Warrior of the Wasteland, The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla until we get a good Post-Apocalypse mod.

>>154880772
do the mountains on the new map bother anyone else?
They seem too crowded to me.

>>154880772
Updated pastebin.
Links removed from OP, as they were added to the pastebin.

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>>154882328
This anon gets it

>>154882069
That's why you make a new thread when the image limit is hit.

>>154882606
we usually don't need images, it's just shitposters

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>>154882203
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>>154882541
I fucking hate you and I'm now going to dump lewds.
>>154882606
>Waaaaaahm but then mods will delete it!

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>>154882648
>I fucking hate you
Mighty Caesar has no time for plebs. Away with you vile begger!

>Captcha Select all images with pillars or columns

Why is Mega so slow

Gekonewer hosted elsewhere when

>>154882829
Away with you, vile spammer.

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>>154882904
I'll upload it to medifire but it might take a few hours.

>>154880953
It was such a shame he killed himself. It is also a shame that at the time his work was making almost no money but now everyone knows about Conan the Barbarian and it is considered the Cornerstone of an entire genre.

>>154883032
i haven't had any complaints with mediafire so it may be better to host on

>>154882606
This happened before (and by wich I mean, not this summer) and we were fine waiting for the bump limit.
Tones down the autism a bit too

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>>154881919
I don't care

>>154883546
Solid advice!

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>>154883138
ETA 1h25m.

Just started playing Phantasy Calradia and it's pretty sweet. But I'm have a super hard time finding battle continuation mods for it. In the long term I find MB unplayable without battle continuation. Anyone been able to get a battle cont. mod to work with the phantasy calradia mod?

>>154883546
only thing i care about is if they update anything

>>154883686
If you have expectations or fear concerning that console port feel free to share.
I just really have nothing to say about it, is all.

>>154884146
Nor should anyone. It's literally nothing.

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>>154883884
If you were playing a proper paladin you could just heal yourself in the battle and never die.

Heal will also work on your mount next patch.

>>154884424
>not being a lich king

So you really can't do any battle continuation? I even tried a method that alters the mission_templates.txt file but even that was incompatible.

>>154881734
I wish he could see the success of his creation and how much joy he brought to the world.

>>154880772
>there are literally 0 place names corresponding to vaegir towns in m&b/warband
>sturgians are more nord than vaegir
SLAVS BTFO

>>154887181
>implying the Vaegirs aren't descended from an army of outlanders who came from another world to Calradia spreading a vile religion of death worship

>>154882001
WISH PEASANT GIRLS LOOKED LIKE THIS IRL

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>>154886546
What would the cowboy version of a weeaboo be?

Is it just me or is silverstag's vaegirs buffed to shit

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As much as I love upthrust on pikes and spears Polearms need to the righteous downswing to feel right.

>>154887463
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA?t=5m3s

>>154884424
>>154885394
>>154883884
I heard Phantasy Calradia was a mess. Worth a go? I don't even care about using magic. I just want to hit different things with M&B's Poleaxe.

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>>154887794
Yeah but Robert E. Howard wasn't a weeabo as much as he was just a dork.

>>154887505
How so? Did they add another tier to troop trees and give them higher than power draw 5? Nothing scales better than bows and Vaegirs are the best archers.

>>154887505
in native vaegirs are super ass though

>>154888517
Vaegirs aren't as bad as people think they are, especially unmodded where archers are unlikely to run out of ammo before battle conclusion. Vaegirs can also be pretty fearsome once they actually engage thanks to Bardiche usage.

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>>154887463

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>Escort mission
>Sapper always runs off far ahead
>In a game where everyone and his grandma carries a fucking pistol

Thanks B&G:Carribean. And are doing these missions the only reliable way to get money early on? I miss just being able to kill random bandits and hire farmers to slowly build up my empire.

>>154889072
kill pirates and steal their boats

>>154889072

Invest in shipping, anon. By which I mean murder people and take, then sell, their boats.

>>154889150
I need my own ship first though. And decent armor so that I don't instantly die to random stray bullets.

>>154889072
>And are doing these missions the only reliable way to get money early on?
they're exceedingly profitable
i like the little missions, they'd be a great addition to native

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Well this is a surprise. Can I enslave them too I wonder...

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There must be more to life.

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>>154889994

>grenades in Caribbean! are single-use and never replenish
Huh.

>>154888517
>native commander battle, swadians vs vaegirs
>go vaegirs
>vaegir infantry consists of men with spiked clubs, spears, and shields
>vaegir archers consist of men in shirts and nomad bows
>vaegir horsemen have lamellar vests
meanwhile
>all 3 swadian units have mail
native """balance"""

>>154890354
Sounds like a slavic army to me.

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>>154889994

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>Assassination mission
>Dress up like a nun, no one will suspect a thing!
Agent 47 would be proud

why does everyone spoiler the exclamation mark whenever they say Caribbean!

>>154887847
It doesn't seem compatible with a lot of gameplay mods like battle continuation, diplomacy, etc. It's really just the native game with extra magic factions and towns tacked on. So if you go into it realizing that it isn't some grand conversion mod it's pretty great. The different unit types are really cool. If you just want to play the game vanilla style with an awesome fantasy army and cool spells then I'd recommend it.

>>154890306
did you never play WFAS?

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fug

>>154889994
>Spearing peasant women from behind
You're living the life man

>>154884424
>next patch
I thought the mod was finished. Didn't the last patch come out like three years ago?

>>154890837
Why would I have?

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>>154890889
You need to develop an appreciation for how dumb horse fuckers really are.

>>154890889
So how did it go?

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>>154888976
>1911
>is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth
TRIGGERED

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>>154891117
>>154891146
I managed to jump over the couched lance and then he ran into the wall behind me which didn't go so well for him.

>>154891193
That's not even a glock lol

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>>154890306
They are worth it. Only buy the most expensive ones though, don't waste you time on the cheap ones.

>>154890807
The native map increased to 200% in size really fucking bothers me. Luckily the modder said he is working on reducing it down to 150% right now.

>>154891002
He's been posting updates on his "Currently working on" forum every week for the last 2 years...

>>154891338
I know but glock rhymes with cock.

>>154891497
>the early versions of caribbean when jungle fighters had grenades
jesus christ

>>154890306
Sounds like you need some Suvarnabhumi Mahayuth in your life. Grenades restock per battle -- Power Throw never looked so sexy on companions.

If only the Ming weren't pushovers.

>>154892762
That sounds historically accurate.

>>154893048
I suppose it is - But they are supposed to be the Dark Knight equivalent. Aside from the initial invasion where they start with ridiculous numbers they lose steam really quickly.

Do the Blunderbuss in Caribbean actually shoot shot?

>>154891820
If you were lucky they would end up killing themselves.

>>154893923
Yes the added finally multiple-projectile shots a few patches ago.

Maybe if RustyForkFrenchAnon is around he will post some of his .webms. At least I think those are his .webms

>>154882904
Here you go.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/kbh76iji9cepc9a/GekoNewer_Standalone_1.33.rar

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>>154893923
yes they do

>>154894341
>they all hit for full damage
HAHAHAHAH

>>154894341
Thanks to the power of GUNS and the "suspicious stranger" I suspect I am going to be pretty fucking powerful at a very low level, no renown, and just the starting followers.

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So are these traits as useless as they look? I mean come on... +1 slash damage? Really?

>>154895790
They're prereqs you ponce.

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>>154896071
Street Scourge is equally useless and Hawkeye has no prerequisites and is plainly superior. While Hawkeye is indeed higher level -- Traits are limited.

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>>154894212
>3.66GB on mega
>1.07GB here

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>>154895790
I don't personally use the combat traits though that +3 and +10 accuracy are fucking amazing if you like to use guns but giving them to your combat focused companions makes them even more deadly. Expecially since you get so much exp for sinking ships they level up much quiicker in Caribbean!

PIC related are amazing. +30% melee damage or +30% accuracy/reloading for your troops will make you pretty much unbeatable. A shame they are mutually exclusive.

>>154896373
Nope it is 1.07GB on MEGA too.

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Athletics is STR based now...? I like this change. Yeesssssss

>>154896373 Typical malware is only ~125 lines of assembly.
That sides difference is probably indicative of *something*, but it's not necessarily something bad.

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I see that you all have given 5 units of currency each to the money hungry jews hard working developers of Caribbean!
Thanks for giving your money to the eternal Rhodok hard working developers!

>>154896471
I am not contesting the general and logistics skills. Just that player martial skills should BTFO of them due to individual effect rather than global along with the inherent risk of aggressively using your avatar in large battles.

Although I must admit that I don't have any clue what "+3 attack speed" equates to in reality. Typically if you are constantly in battle your weapon proficiency gets pretty high even without high investment in weapon master though.

>>154896641
The devs of Caribbean! are slavs, so we gave our money to the eternal Vaegir.

>>154896641
caribbean devs are vaegirs not rhodoks

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How do you think the console versions of Warband will do?
Also where is it on the stores?

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>>154896608
Nah he is just an idiot.

Unless he is talking about also having to download the 8.4MB patch.

>>154896835
It will do poorly because console plebs are too dumb for Warband.

>>154896641
I would gladly fork currency for Dickonewer. While it is still early I suspect Gekonewer is the better mod still, especially since I had to mod the game (and may continue to do so as I progress?) to simply make it tolerable.

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>>154896835
>How do you think the console versions of Warband will do
It won't sell a lot because
>playing warband on console
although there are always a few goyim that will buy anything that comes out in nogaemz consolololol

>>154897092
She wants his knightly virtue, if you know what I mean.

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>>154897379
Do you she wants him to show him her huge t..tracks of land? If you know what I mean.

>>154897379
His armor will protect his purity

>>154896471
>Love ranged focus armies
>Hate Agility builds
FUCK

>Finally succeed at escorting sapper to plant all three bombs
>Escape mine before it explodes!
>two forward paths after last bomb
>BOTH ARE DEAD ENDS
>Die in mine with with exit in sight
FUCK YOU B&G:C!

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DED

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>you will never have a pretty, VC waifu

Why even live?

Jesus Christ, why do bows in VC do cutting damage instead of piercing? How do I fix this?

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what are some good movies about medieval russia

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>>154901265
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

>>154901867
But witches know how to bounce on a dick.

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>>154903343
So do catholic cuties
don't tell anyone though cause it's sinful

>>154903406
Then the next village I raid will be a catholic one.

>>154903431
Drive out the white devils!

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tfw your waifu doesn't like raiding

>>154901345
balance

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>>154903512
>tfw you waifu loves raiding
>tfw you waifu bring you 30k+ worth of captives a week to sell into slavery
>tfw you waifu gets a 1st Rate in her fleet before you

You need a better waifu.

>>154903496
But I'm white, too.

>Devs for B&G:C! decided to sell their soundtrack on Steam
>Even though you can just go to the game's folder and listen to the music all you want

What did they hope to achieve? I mean, I would have paid two dollars if it meant getting more songs in game, but El Guapo already solved that problem.

>>154901797
>>154901867
>>154903406
>>154903512
see
>>154882069

>>154903943
Fuck off. This is a imageboard and I am going to post images whever I want.

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>>154903648
>sell their soundtrack on Steam
>go to the game's folder and listen to the music all you want
>What did they hope to achieve?
I was wondering the same thing. They said it was dedicated to the composer, who died. Maybe the money will go to his family or something?

>El Guapo already solved that problem
I still haven't updated it though. I wish I knew the module system so I could have different songs play depending on who owned a port or what faction you where in.

>>154903943
>make up arbitrary rules
>act like what you have to say matters
>don't post images on an image board
I don't think an anonymous image board is the place for you. Fuck off faggot.

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Do the clothes make the man, or does the man make the clothes? Can clothes give a man purpose?

>>154904026
you could at least post something different instead of being as predictable as you are

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>>154904154
Sometimes stylin' on your enemy is it's own victory.

>>154903431
VC allows surprise sex? After all what is the point of raiding if its just pillage with no rape?

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>>154904773
Dicking Conquest when?
Dickokujo when?
1257ADick when?

>>154905006
this sex meme is getting old

>>154904773
Well there's the pillaging part.

>>154905809
You start the game as a pillaging murder hobo though. Peasants are just weaker bandits with worse loot and long term negative consequences with lords.

>>154905586
Warband owes much to historical inspiration. Is it too much to simply want to emulate Genghis Khan?

>>154907457
>muh genghis khan
stupid finnposter

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not sure if i like the plate gauntlets better or these leather gloves
wish i'd gotten the green banded plate instead of the black one, oh well

Where get western units, armor and skeletons

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>>154907531
It can't be helped if you don't appreciate historic authenticity as much as we.

New blog!

https://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Blog/17

>>154909918
Good jokes mate real funny See you at FUCK YOUJ

>>154909918
>Khuzait crossbowman
fucking dropped

>10

ded

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>try Suvarnabhumi Mahayuth because I'm very interested in the setting
>everything is as dark as in Brytenwalda
>the map is dark, the battlefields look dark, everything is dark
>cities are mostly retextured Native cities with palmtrees
>unit types, armours, and factions are really cool though
I'm not sure whether I should keep playing this or not.

>>154901797
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Nevsky_(film)
it's good but it's also a Soviet propaganda piece

>>154888029
>he was nearly shouting the words as he was typing his stories
He was an adorable dork.

>>154904026
Then don't debate about needing a new thread when the limit is hit

Should I play gekocuckjojo or blood and gold caribbean!!!!!!!!?

>>154917897
You should play with my dick

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>>154917897
gekojojo

Conquer nipland as a nanban

>>154914353
Conquer the whole map, for the glory of Portugal.

>>154905006
jjfrenchie?

>>154918150
can you play as a glorious european nanban and kill all the gooks and weebs in gekoyo-yo?

>>154918269
You can play as a ""nanban""" but everyone still treats you as if you were native to Japan.

>>154918269
Last game I roleplayed as a son of a European merchant.

You can have a European hair, face and body, but everyone, including European companions will treat you as a native in dialog.

>>154918360
>>154918693
Eh that's kinda gay, guess i'll have to play as honorabru samurai who commits sudoku if he loses a battle
Someone should make a minimod that adds an invading european faction tbqh

>>154918902
The Euros would most probably lose, being cut off so far from home and without proper adjustment to the fucked geography and resources of Japan.

>>154914353
Deactivate HDR ?

>>154919278
more challenge is more fun

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>>154919278
Like they lost all those colonial wars ?

>>154921517
Japan was more heavily militarized and advanced than the civilizations Europe met in the new world, and farther away. Maybe if the scenario took place before Japan had firearms Europeans could win, but there's no way they would try assaulting a hostile island half-way across the world with fortification and firearms.

>>154921517
They might well have if the natives didn't think they were fucking gods from their coincidentally matching legends and the natives weren't in the grip of smallpox epidemics by the time they actually fought them and if the leaders weren't being all negotiation (well they're gods amirite) and thought they were here to negotiate and not invade.
Cortez specifically said that the natives were a lot tougher than he had bargined for and he only won because of a lot of luck and ''god''.
The Japanese were also heavily militarized and extremely experienced at getting people to fuck off.

>>154921745
>Maybe if the scenario took place before Japan had firearms Europeans could win
Japan had the concept of firearms roughly the same time the Europeans did as it spread from China at the time.

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>>154921810
>jungle nigger savages
>standing a chance of winning ever

>>154922009
Seeing as their slings left musket-dents in armor, yeah I think they could.

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>>154922060
>fucking jungle savages

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>>154922235
>>>/gsg/

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>>154921810
>The Japanese were also heavily militarized
So was india, indonesia and a whole lot of other soon to be colonies
You don't build an empire by winning by "luck"

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>>154922261
>>>/a/

>>154922060
>left musket-dents in armor
wew kid

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>>154922429
Is this a dump request?

>>154922405
Those places were colonized significantly later than Geko.

>>154922490
>These slings were apparently very powerful; in 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, historian Charles C. Mann quoted a conquistador as saying that an Incan sling "could break a sword in two pieces" and "kill a horse.
While it's wikipedia and I can't find the source for my Cortez claim right now, slings are not actually weak despite what hollywood tells you.

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>>154922640
I never said they were weak.
Though breaking steel is another deal
>>154922640
>Those places were colonized significantly later than Geko.
I'm pretty sure Toyotomi hideyoshi (near the end of the sengoku, IIRC Geko is near 1550 so eh) closed the country of foreigners because he saw what happened in southeast asia at the time, and only saw that "rebellion" in Nagasaki as an justification

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>>154922640
funny you should mention the word ''dump''

>>154922905
>Though breaking steel is another deal
Musket of that era couldn't usually pierce well-made steel plate, and depending on whether or not they used something similar to the Roman conical lead shot (I don't think they did), it might actually pull it off.

>toyotomi...
I'm not sure about that, seems rather illogical to me especially since the colonized regions were generally considered to be rather weak - it wasn't stuff like vietnam or whatever falling to the Euros at the time, it was the Philippines.

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>>154923105
>Musket of that era couldn't usually pierce well-made steel plate
Depends on the distance of the shooter and the type of gun used, if its a musket or an arquebus.
Doesn't need to be well made, just thick enough.
Here's a bulletproof helmet of 1602. weighting 11 kg

>>154923312
>distance..type
Yes I know. A sling also has stupidly huge range compared to muskets though - 400 meters compared to a musket's 100, if RNG really loves you.
>1602
Cortez was almost a hundred years earlier.

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LONG MAY SHE REIGN

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>having a good day
>remember that bannerlord is never coming out
>having a bad day

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>>154926468
at least you're not a Swadian.

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>>154926468
Don't worry, you have Nova Aetas, which is vastly superior

>>154926892
NO DOC I DON'T WANT TO BE DOSED

>>154926885
why's the knight left handed

Where can you explore untranslated Chinese and Russian mods?

>>154926892
Thanks, doc.

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>>154926885
huh???

>>154927554
Do you have the other ones

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>>154907718
You look a lot like me.

B-brother?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42lwZ_LAw4g

>>154927684
this was the first one, i didnt make it

Someone uploaded some scene fixes for 1257. Not sure what scenes this effects but this could be very good.
https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,354735.msg8555558.html#msg8555558

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>>154929232
think this was the first one i made

>>154929960
Do you have the archer one and the cantabrian circle one

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>>154930121
this one?

>>154930683
Yeah

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>>154930732

I'm curious how long it will take for the first full-conversion to be completed for Bannerlord. A full-conversion mod for Warband usually takes more than a year to complete.

>>154931031
Thanks

>>154931032
Completed? Probably years. Playable? A few months, I imagine.

>>154914353
Suvarnabhumi Mahayuth is worth a play simply because it is one of the few mods that has a fully customizable player faction.

And also because elephants, cannons, and explosives.

>>154931592
It's also they only mod I've seen with 2 usable siege towers in a single siege.

I'm interested in replaying WFAS. There any good mods that keep the same setting? I've taken a look at WFAS Enhancement mod and Csatadi but unsure which would be better without actually playing them.

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why are people against the idea of re-introducing dual wielding to the game?

>>154931876
Europe in Flames 2

>>154931943
Because it'll almost certainly be the retarded versions that people play bannerlord to get away from
I certainly wouldn't mind parry daggers or some shit.

>>154931943
Why not tri or oct wield for triple or octuple the attack power and/or attack speed?

Some mods allow you to use parrying weapons -- Which tend to either be terrible shields and/or melee forcefields depending on implementation.

>>154932260
To be honest dual-wielding actually works in real life if you choose the right weapons, it's just incredibly fucking hard to pull off because dual-wielding styles have just about nothing in common with single-weapon styles which are far more practical in formation fighting anyway.

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>>154931943
Only as long as it is shield dual wielding.

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>>154931943
Only as long as it is glaive dual wielding

>>154931876

Enhancement has Formations AI but disables the main quest also you can start your own kingdom (dont expect the full on rule your own kingdom experience from Warband)

Csatadi mostly adds new items and towns and a bit of rebalance

>>154932395
>dual-wielding actually works in real life if you choose the right weapons

examples?

I just can't picture dual-wielding generic swords to be anything but edgy show-offing that's stupidly impractical in a real fight

>>154932201
the old implementation of dual wielding back when M&B had ghouls and undead and necromancers was only for very short weapons though. You can still see the remnants of it by looking at which items have the itp_secondary flag

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when will they get a new font?

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>>154932628

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>>154932731
Exactly.

>>154932681
>examples?
For example a parrying blade along with a normal blade. For example, certain exotic weapons like chakrams or those gauntlet-blades the Indians used. Are these actually optimal, probably not, but with high enough skill it's pretty fucking hard to get a lock on someone using an entirely different moveset so to speak than you due to using two weapons.
Shields are also, in a sense, dual-wielding, because in a fight shields are as often weapons as defensive implements.
Lastly I really can't imagine why it'd be a problem to use two blades in very heavy armor anyway since people decided shields were worth shit by that point.

>>154932731

Magistrate Pavel i am Rhodok.

>>154932713
they already did
in Warrider, they used Comic Sans MS
they seem to be perfectly content with Papyrus as their new font

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6_9-2PD_xo

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>>154932628
Dr. Harlaus I'm Rhodok Republic.

>>154932819
Thats a big PikeGuy

>>154923312
>weighting 11 kg
Jesus fucking Christ. That must've been a bitch on the wearer's neck.
Or he didn't have any.

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>>154932986
For his Kingdom.

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>He didn't vote mount

>>154933212
w-what was the context of this poll

>>154933212
>He voted mount

You can't protect your land with a horse family

>>154931943
Because dual wielding makes EVERYTHING better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXNxChi2eUA

>>154933212
Arthurian cucks who would rather choose a shiny sword over the Lady of the Lake.

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>>154933212
Is the Mount & Blade twitter dedicated to normie shitposting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvJ6Jn6UU-w

reminder that 0.808 and 0.751 were the two best mount&blade versions

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>>154933212
If I choose 'blade', do I get a fresh blade?

>>154933556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ7qSTbmtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubShPTfBnaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=790EXMZb81c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYENwmKGSAo

mount&blade pirates .808

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>>154933556
>>154933783
Mount & Blade looked like a GoldSrc mod back then.

>>154934060
back then the only two devs were armagan and his wife Ipek working out of a garage

are there any dungeon crawling mods?

>>154934623
http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=787

Any lewd mods?

>>154934843
>Any lewd mods?

>>154934874
You telling me you don't enjoy cucking the King in vanilla, and killing him in a duel when he finds out?

>>154931943
couldn't you easily implement this by using what's already in the Warband files? Taleworlds rarely ever removes all traces of a feature.

>>154935998
I was actually making fun of your incompetence. Check Dickplomacy / Warphilia or Wedding Dance.

>>154921745
>>154921892
Japan stole their arquebuses from the Portuguese, then reproduced them. Centuries later, they traversed into the modern age with breech-loaded cannons and caplock guns with reverse engineered American tech.

>>154936403
Meanwhile when they invaded Korea, the chinks and Koreans were using comparable firearms of native design. Wikipedia says the chinks were using fucking landmines.
I find it hard to believe that the nips who were literally straight across and kept raiding the chinks at the time didn't know about firearms.

>>154936728
They knew, more likely than not, but Japan has always been very pre-occupied with itself. I'm not an expert in the history over there, but I know that China was shooting steel darts out of cannons at korean iron-shelled turtle ships, rockets were used, and all manner of ill-conceived applications of gunpowder.
And that somehow for all of this, nobody ever really fucked with Japan except the Mongols. who got their fleets sunk by monsoons.

I forget when they did so, but there is a NATIONAL MONUMENT in Japan that is an earthen hill built out of the NOSES AND EARS of Koreans killed during a Japanese invasion, shipped home as proof of honorable combat. They sent the noses, you see, since it would have taken up too much cargo space to send back entire heads.

>>154937063
Pic

>>154936017
in this instance it actually was removed
there is no way to properly implement dual wielding in a non-hacky way

>>154937063
>And that somehow for all of this, nobody ever really fucked with Japan except the Mongols
The Chinese really could not give less of a shit about what happened beyond their borders, even during Ming's exploration period, as long as those nations didn't fuck with them.

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>>154937201
found it actually

>>154937063
>ill-conceived
the idea that chinese firearms were ineffective is very much a meme
they had catapult launched explosive shells and handgonnes since the 12th century, and actual cannons with cannonballs since the 14th century. They were on par with or ahead of europeans in gunpowder technology until the 16th century when they started to fall behind

>>154937669
>when they started to fall behind
Blame the Qing. We were already somewhat behind but not by much, but the Qing outright fucking disbanded out gunpowder regiments.

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>can't use naginata in castle sieges because it's literally too big for indoors combat and is blocked by the ceiling or walls

>>154937815
*reality fucks your face*

>>154937815
bring a sword ya dingus

>>154937815
Cute!

>>154937909
>>154937971
>>154938114
swords are gay, i'll just bring a shorter pike to upstab my way through the next siege

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>>154938176
>not bringing a gun

>>154934751
>ONLY for MB 0.751

o fug

>>154938247
i'm a bowfag

>>154938331
Bows are strictly superior in Geko.

Why was japanese armor so god damn aesthetic?

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>>154937773
they maintained the ming matchlocks but they didn't make any improvement. The biggest shortcoming was bad tactics, political structure, and lack of navy
besides, the manchu bow was a superior weapon in the hands of a trained warrior, wouldn't want the Han to have too much power

>>154939052
>they maintained the ming matchlocks but they didn't make any improvement
They disbanded the Ming matchlock regiments as far as I remember. We had maintained special armies full of these things
Also, while I don't remember if we had fire-by-rank for muskets, I know we did have them for crossbows. In the Qin dynasty.

>>154939183
At least in the early qing, they incorporated surrendered Ming musket regiments and artillery people. By the time they conquered liaodong at least half of the banner army was composed of Han troops. When it came time to conquer the Southern Ming, the Qing mostly used former Ming troops to fight against the remnants. In the revolt of the three feudatories, they also used primarily musket-wielding Chinese troops as well. They might have disbanded a lot of the musket units after the pacification of the south though, since they weren't that useful in fighting against nomadic enemies like the Dzunghar or Tibetans

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Qing musketeer c. 1750

>>154939434
They were much more interested in the artillery than the actual firearms.
We had a pretty poor showing against them anyway, the treasury was literally empty.

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the primary weapon depicted in these illustrations is the long range Jingal gun though, so they might have ended the use of standard matchlocks. However, irregular units such as Hakka hill people, Taiwanese aborigines, and Cantonese were all known to have extensively used matchlock weapons in the Qing period

>>154939727
Those were almost all old Ming design matchlocks.
>tfw fucking barbarians ruin civilization AGAIN

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there's a lot of muskets and small cannon in this painting

>>154939887
The little mortars were very popular among the Qing. Probably because that was the only way they actually managed to get into chink cities during the initial conquest.

>>154939839
the empire was at peace, the economy was good, population was increasing, and the primary users of firearms were Han who massively outnumbered you and you don't want to them to have more power, so what's the point on continuing to innovate
investing in new firearm technology would only increase the chances of a successful Han rebellion
the qing were quite smart imo
who would've predicted some dudes from some island from half way across the world with gigantic warships would come fight you over tea?

>>154940214
>the empire was at peace, the economy was good, population was increasing
You mean like it was under Ming until like eight different wars at once happened?

>who would've predicted some dudes from some island from half way across the world with gigantic warships would come fight you over tea
If they didn't literally stop doing everything maybe we wouldn't achieve 1:100 KDR.

so it's not being released this fall

>>154891247
that is how I won basically every tourney that featured horses.

>>154881919

I hope its good, more money for the devs.

What do I do when my nation is not at war? Is there anything I can do to help my nation other than to help in battles? Like boost their unit production or something.

>>154941801
Kill bandits, it makes towns safer and richer
Do quests for struggling villages, especially those on the far side of potential enemies
Do quests for villages owned by lords with only one or two villages, it scales up their army in accordance with prosperity

>>154942057
I usually can't catch bandits anymore as soon as I hit ~40 troops. Should I level up the skills necessary or do I have to work on my army composition for that?

>>154936728
Part of the problem was that Hideyoshi was backwards as fuck and refused to use Nobunaga's Ironclad warships for reasons.

>>154942148
Drop the majority of your party troops in the castle and run around with a small band of elites instead.

As someone who hasn't played mount and blade since brytenwalda was one of the only big mod options, if I had to play ONE mod before banner lord, what should it be? I want to get back into the swing of things before then and do a longer campaign. Thanks for tips.

>>154938176
I like the way you think Battle Brother.

>>154942148
pick that homeless niggress or borcha and level up their pathfinding. use more cavalry to speed up your army. keep your inventory small. 1 or 2 horses in your inventory might give 0.2 to movement.

>>154942301
Prophesy of Pendor.There are lots of things to do.Custom knighthood orders is enough to keep you occupied for a long time.

>>154942301
1257AD, Bannerlord should be out by the time you conquer the map.

>>154941281
>Horse vs Horse battle
>Dismount
>Enemy AI gets stuck on idle horse
>Kill at leisure

Even in Lance vs Lance battles. God bless up thrust.

>>154942279
I don't even have a castle yet. I'm still short on renown despite fucking the Vaegirs over.

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>>154942423
>Custom knighthood orders is enough to keep you occupied for a long time.

>>154942301
Tocans - For player custom factions and Dark Knight invasion (and many other Diplomacies)
Suvarnabhumi Mahayuth (Custom factions and many new features)
Gekonewer (Just very polished.)

And >>154942423

Yes PoP gets a lot of hate but in the end it has aged very well for a pre-Warband mod. Especially as it was among (or the first?) mods to allow customizable troops and just feels finished. (So do the above mods though)

1257AD is of course a solid mod but I keep losing interest for some odd reason. Non-Lord gameplay seems pretty limited or with lots of downtime.

If the mod does not have up-thrust I recommend enabling it by following OP instructions. Some kind anon has integrated it into many mods as well.

I generally recommend getting comfortable with Morgh's as well so you can fine tune design choices you disagree with.

>>154942148
Level up Path-Finding. If I can catch an army of <=16 Dark Knights with over 250 infantry why the hell can't you catch 40 dinky unmounted bandits?

>>154941801
Crash feasts to find waifu.

>>154942960
>>154943170
Why PoP gets so much hate?Aside from developers being cunts its a solid mod.

>>154943654
Muh speshul elves.

>>154943940
Noldor are a blight. Easily the worst thing about POP since they made it impossible to conquer them.

>>154943654
fucking knife ears

>>154943654
It took them way too long to make early game viable for normal builds and balance out the unique armies.
Everything has its stats boosted up the ass.
The Qualis Gem economy.
Knighthood orders have a ton of grind baked into them, and much of it arbitrary.
The Noldor. Fullstop.
They refuse to fix problems that submods have corrected, and instead declare those submods haram. (eg. siege scenes)

>>154943940
>>154944068
>>154944076
I understand the hate about Noldors but except that mod is still pretty solid.I found it more fun than others since its pretty much complete.If the developers weren't such cunts it would be the best mod out there.

>>154944392
I actually like POP but recent mods have beaten it out. POP had a long monopoly of simply not being janky and feeling polished but that no longer applies any longer. Customizing your entire player faction > knighthood order (especially due to it being basically post-game unless you meta hard for early access to them) and while POP has good faction variety it is actually comparable to Native Warbhand. It is less that POP has exceptional faction/item variety but most mods have BAD faction variety.

The original M&B scale map can also be very limiting. Once you understand the meta of POP (as many features predate Warband, even basic things like Lord recruitment) it is actually one of the easiest mods to conquer as an independent faction.

Unless you go out of your way to prolong the game Pendor is actually on the shorter end of mod length if you intend to conquer everything now.

>>154944949
That makes sense since I only played PoP and Floris.Found other mods way too uncomplete and clunky.1257AD and Gekokujo felt boring.

>>154944392
i found PoP boring as fuck
the fact every elite unit is either a horse archer knight or a lancer knight is pretty shit too

>>154945220
Except the FIERDSWCHIAWIAN BERSERKER!
Or were those just the quasi-elite foot troops from the top of the tree?

>>154945220
Immortals and Ebony Gauntlets are Bae. For all the Noldor fellating its a wonder that Ebony Gauntlets exist at all.

The most OP Knights you can feasibly make are Power Draw 10 custom knights as well. Give them a strong bow and a good two-hander/polearm everything is simply going to die.

For sieges having 1H/Shield/Javelin is a nice combo as well for actual assault.

Due to calvary almost universally being blocked behind knighthood orders POP actually has one of the weakest player calvary presence of mods that don't outright ban calvary or gimp them in unreasonable ways.

>>154945402
those were fucking useless, i played for fierdsvain against ravenstern and we were taking a castle, had 3 times as many men and we got shit on because of how garbage fierdsvain troops are

>>154945697
>Bae
What the fuck does this even mean

>>154945402
They are elite normal troops and are actually very specialized despite their ridiculous stats due to having shit armor and normal reach melee weapons. While they kill everything efficiently their upkeep is high as hell due to level and heaven forbid if you allow them to get shot at by enemy archers.

>>154945775
Means 'sweetie, something you love'.

>>154945923
Right, that reminds me.
Is there any way to fund an elite army in PoP beside constantly ransoming NPCs?
The normal methods simply aren't meant to handle the wage-bloat that the level-bloat led to.

>>154945772
Fiersdvain Huscarls can actually be mass produced (unlike D'Shar Blademasters/Assassins) due to level 30 being an attainable trainer level. (Especially since player and companions get MUCH more experience per kill)

Fiersdvain Berserkers can be good in unintuitive ways. Very little kills melee calvary clusterfucks as efficiently as Berserkers. Especially once you realize that most of infantry incompetence in killing Calvary is an inability to efficiently kill the armored horse.

>>154946104
>>154945775
>Bæ/bae is a Danish word for poop.

>>154945697
>calvary
the stark difference between how good the elite units are and how shit regular units are would be fine if the OP units were rarer
as it stands the mods a chore to play because you either steamroll shit with your OP troops or you get steamrolled by OP troops

>>154946230
Oh yeah, also that.

>>154946126
Early POP's meta was actually having as high leveled an army as possible due to former Merc wage logic. You could easily have an army of hero adventurers and rake in profits from merc income alone.

I did not have any trouble financing large armies when I owned at least one town. I don't think its a negative to give the player economic incentive to use lower rank troops. Garrisons were often filled with low-mid tier troops and I would frequently field non-elite troops (and mass upgrade them as needed if there was an unexpected opportunity)

>tfw you get to level 25+ when it takes 3 years to level up once and you realize you should have spent your skillpoints more wisely

>>154946243
There actually isn't that much difference between elite normal troops and Knighthood orders. Its pretty easy to beat POP while ignoring Knighthood Orders and non-faction troops. Especially as Empire or Ravenstern.

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>>154946651
and then this happens

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WE

>>154946748
As much hate as the Noldor get for being broken POS they actually make the game easier if you just lure them into enemies so your webm can happen. Making yourself allied with the Noldor and starting your kindom basically gives you free god-tier patrols against everything.

Later on you can make a custom knighthood order that (overall) puts the Noldor to shame.

I just dislike the Noldor since the arthur is an obvious knife ear faggot and his pet race can do no wrong.

>>154947118
which is one of the reasons i stopped playing PoP, since it revolves around pushing as many elite units out to rape everything

>>154947349
Not certain what your complaint is considering the same could be said for mod mods including Native. When most people talk about Warband faction meta they always default on the elite troops of the faction (Rhodok Sharpshooter, Mameluke, Swadian Knights, Nord Huscarls...)

The elites of the normal troop tree are enough to easily beat POP. Noldor are a help early on but they will not help you conquer enemy faction cities unless you are dumb enough to waste qualis gems on them.

>>154947816
>Not certain what your complaint is considering the same could be said for mod mods including Native.
i'm not a fan of that whole concept, but the difference between those knightly order elites and those regular faction elites are pretty ridiculous, which in part is because of the high RCM values of the mod and the high horse health
not to mention the elite units in PoP have much higher stats than the elite units in native, where skills only go up to 5 on troops, so in comparison to lords, elite troops aren't that dangerous

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>>154948240
>...the difference between those knightly order elites and those regular faction elites are pretty ridiculous
This is objectively false though. Normal top tier troops are very good. From a raw stat standpoint for example the D'Shar Blademaster rekts the shit out of most Knighthood troops. Good luck ever fielding a high number of D'Shar Blademasters though.

Just like in Native you can just field an army of Empire Armored Crossbowman and slowly conquer the world with good judgement. Basically just doing what you would normally do in Native with Rhodok Sharpshooters.

Fiersvain Hucarls are also Knighthood Order good and; unlike D'Shar Blademasters, actually possible to train in bulk.

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>>154948630
Perhaps a better example would be the D'Shar Assassin. They have OTHER weakness that may be unintuitive for those that haven't played the game though. Namely armor quality and weapon loadout. You'll usually see them rapidly kill quite a few guys via rapidly thrown knives and their high speed melee to only randomly get killed by some low-mid tier troop due to their weak armor.

>>154948630
>Just like in Native you can just field an army of Empire Armored Crossbowman and slowly conquer the world with good judgement. Basically just doing what you would normally do in Native with Rhodok Sharpshooters.
i'd hope for a mod to have more strategic depth than native

>>154948893
POP is one of the few mods to add in what are fundamentally different unit "types" than Native. The Fiersdvain Beserker and D'Shar Assassin being obvious examples of this. They can absolutely destroy their opposition IF you are able to competently field them so they are not randomly killed by stray missile fire before actually engaging.

POP also forces horse fuckers to adapt since mindlessly going mass Calvary is just not feasible early-mid game and is sub-optimal endgame anyways. The closest you can get to using a calvary heavy force is Ravenstern and their melee calvary is made out of paper.

Ravenstern Mounted Rangers are very good but not in an "F1->F3" way. Best used in conjunction with normal rangers to turn shields and slow down advances.

>>154949552
>POP is one of the few mods to add in what are fundamentally different unit "types" than Native.
well it isn't and it's not like that's hard to do, considering how simplistic native is
PoP could've been more inspired than its incredibly bland faction archetypes too
>Ravenstern Mounted Rangers are very good but not in an "F1->F3" way.
well unless you change the cav archer AI then cav archers are useless aside from being mobile foot archers you have to micro
even then you won't want a lot because they won't be able to shoot past each other

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This is a friendly welcome post for all the console friends that are experiencing Mount & Blade for the first time today.
Please let me show you the way >>>/out/

>>154950979
>implying it sold any copies

>>154950979
>>>/out/
>not >>>/trash/

baka senpai

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>>154951656
My senpai is not a baka!

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>>154951719
Shut up you slut.

>>154947118
Actually, the Noldor are not the author's pet race since he didn't make them. PoP is set in a post-magic apocalypse Middle Earth.

>>154951112
kek

What mod for Caribbean!?

>>154952784
I don't think there are any besides upstab anon's mod

>>154950979
>I don't like my incredibly niche game getting more attention and funding

dont fuck bannerlord up you moron