/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

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a Sonic Battle editor exists now

https://github.com/phase/sbhax
https://forums.sonicretro.org/?showtopic=34649

when will mods exist for the game yet?

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morning /sthg/

>>154734365
Never.

>>154734314
2/10 IGN

"Sonic was never good, people rather want to fuck Big the Cat than this shit."

>>154734380
It's afternoon now mate.

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>>154734448
It's always morning somewhere, Anon.

>>154734557
Well...
You're not wrong.

>Michiyoshi felt for the patreon meme

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/

THE HYPE IS REAL

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>>154734654
Obviously not

>>154734440
1/10 IGN
"Sonic goes too fast"

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>>154734810
Well now I'm freakin' mad.

>>154734810
who and what?

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>>154734307
What can I say?
I read to about half and was not captivated.
It's high-school level writing spewing headcanon for what I consider unnecessary territory.
It doesn't stem far from regular comicshit with worse writing and no imagery to accompany it.

I don't understand what you get from reading this stuff unless you're around the same age as the writer, which I assume is in their preadolescence.

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>>154735095
Right after posting I realize there are 17 additional chapters.
I can't be expected to read through all of them to gauge an opinion, it was unbearable already at the first two paragraphs.

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>>154735069
>who
sonic hentai artist
>what
sellout paywall bullshit

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>>154735234
http://www.strawpoll.me/11222938

>>154735095
I don't think there can be a good sonic fan fiction - or good fan fiction in general.

I've noticed a common theme that people autistic enough to write one always use un-series like concepts which end up making the whole thing some weird try hard edgy bullshit straight from the mind of a 13 year old who think they're "mature for their age".

I've read sonic fan fictions featuring such highlights as sonic becoming an emo and cutting himself, various amounts of rape and Eggman conducting chemical warfare and every one of them is played completely serious with no hint of irony - and that's not to mention the OC Mary Sue shit.

The only good sonic fan fiction in existence is tails got trolled. Everyone else should give up.

>>154735178
>>154735095
Yeah, the writing might not be the greatest in the world, but it's readable and I can look past that if I enjoy the story enough.
And I enjoyed it for what it is, a different telling of the (almost) series old story of how Sonic met Tails (and their first adventure together).
Plus it actually gives them character traits n such.

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>>154736197
>not counting Sonichu
opinion discarded

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>>154736197
>>154736305
>TGT
>Sonichu

>>154736197
>sonic becoming an emo and cutting himself
>various amounts of rape
Don't think I've ever read a fanfic with either of these

>Eggman conducting chemical warfare
Only read one where he uses a chemical weapon and that was in a death trap.

I think you just went looking for bad fanfictions.

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>aron is one letter away from anon

does Mememaster browse /sthg/?

>>154734827
Sonic, no.

>>154734053
At best, they'd make cameo appearances in the background, but even that might cause a shitstorm with regards to continuity or butthurt "purists."

Even if Sega wanted to, it would be a balancing nightmare to make the FFs all useable alternatives to Sonic's speed without slowing the game's overall pace. The Egg Bosses seem like they would be a better fit in that regard, for what it's worth.

I sometimes imagine what that would be like though, and what the response would be if a game like that actually turned out well.

>'Clove has legs' thing
Clove always had slightly more shapely legs compared to the other female characters; it's been a subtle part of her design since Evan's concept art. ABT just sort of accentuated it.

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>>154736198
>it's readable
That's about the most passive compliment I'd imagine a body of text could get.

Here's where I differ from many /sthg/ dwellers.
I'm a game purist read: gamefag. If it ain't a game it's irrelevant. What's portrayed within the game is all that is relevant.
Sonic 2's minimalistic story as told through the game is all I need. Then again there's complimentary story from manuals and such but considering they're not guaranteed to be available I don't consider them important enough.

I don't understand the need to fill gaps in the story or expand on what's already told. In the end it's all in your own head, the further you go the more steps you're removed from not only the games but what Sonic actually represented to begin with.

>>154737168
>Aaron
Two letters

>>154736765
>never read a sonic fan fiction with rape
Then you haven't read a sonic fan fiction.

>>154737523
>If it ain't a game it's irrelevant
In that case it's understandable why you don't like Sonic Fanfiction.

>I don't understand the need to fill gaps in the story or expand on what's already told
That's too bad. I often enjoy other peoples ideas on how things happened in a story or discussing missing information like where the Chaos Emeralds came from or whatever.
And I'd say it's probably less of a need and more of a want.

>>154738310
Well I know that ain't true since I've read a decent number of Sonic Fanfiction.

I present you with a good Sonic fanfiction
http://sonic-world.ru/modules/content/content.php?content.130

>>154739490
That's bullshit but I'll believe it.

>>154739490
>http://sonic-world.ru/modules/content/content.php?content.130
>.ru
Shame I can't read Russian and don't trust Google Translate enough to accurately translate a fanfic.

>>154737459
Yeah, I can see that, sort of.

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>he claims to not read fanfics

>>154740295
Who's making that claim?

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tell me about some of your favorite fanfics /sthg/ Guilty Pleasure edition

>>154740724
Sonic only, Sonic related (crossovers and such) or just any fanfics in general?

>>154740570
Hopefully most of us.

>>154740803
I was thinking of Sonic only but if you wanna post a none Sonic one that's cool

>>154740724
That one sprite comic about a MechWarrior character who got stuck in the body of Tails was oddly interesting.

>>154740724
Canned furry

>>154740724
Tail's Gets Trolled number one all day everyday. Can't find the imgur with it all on anymore and that upsets me.

Apart from that, nothing else really. There was a comic I read ages back because I had jackshit to do and I can't find it anymore, had the world get fucked over by Shadow/Not shadow and then Sonic was killed and Amy and Not Shadow hooked up and Eggman was a mechanic with guns.
It probably hasn't aged well at all but I can't find it anymore.

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>>154741106
>That one sprite comic about a MechWarrior character who got stuck in the body of Tails was oddly interesting.
wat

>>154741106
There's something about Tails.

>>154741243
http://web.archive.org/web/20130520184926/http://www.themysticalforestzone.com/PDF/TSAT/TSAT.htm

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Freedom Fighters will be in Sonic 2017

screencap this post

>>154741243
Doom x Archie Sonic

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>friend bitches about any Sonic that isnt classic/Generations/SA2
>watch him play Lost World and GHP act 2
>he fucking sucks and even after multiple hours he still doesnt understand the controls and physics
VERY triggered right now

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>>154741304
DUDE WEED LMAO

>>154742115
What?

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>>154742115
kek

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>>154742115
I'm leaning towards PCP on this.

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>>154740724
It's one where Tails invents some sort of size changing ray and shoots it at various Sonic grills at the beach from afar. They all think they were hallucinating, but Sally REALLY enjoyed it. So much that she would do ANYTHING to get back to being that height. She knew it was Tails and urged him to do it again but the King told Tails to stop that shit but he kept on doing it because fuck the government.

I don't even know where the fuck I read it anymore. It like stopped a long time ago.

can you stop posting these gayass sprite comments???????

>>154742918
>sprite comments
You mean sprite comics, right?

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>>154741304
>>154742115
>>154742239
>>154742271
man it's been a while since I saw this one

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hey /sthg/
do you like Biolizard?

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>>154742918
>??????????
could you repeat dat?

>>154736197
This. Good fanfiction just can't exist in any capacity. If fanfic writers were good writers they wouldn't be writing fanfic

>>154743252
B-but the Biolizard was red.
There's a lot more to complain about here, but this ones the autism breaker for me.

No Shadow and Biolizard sitting in the park eating ice-cream or Maria reading them both a story in bed artwork ever

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>>154743252
yeah i do

>>154743325
>If fanfic writers were good writers they wouldn't be writing fanfic
Hey, you don't have to be a good writer to write more than just fanfiction. Just look at the 50 Shades of Grey books, they started off as Twilight fanfiction.

>>154743325
Also anyone who writes fanfics should be mocked and bullied until they stop. It's for their own good

>>154743406
>B-but the Biolizard was red.
yes but that's the Super Biolizard

how much Biolizard fanfic is there

>>154743479
>people who like to make things based on other things should be mocked and bullied.
ye, okay.

>>154743620
as much as Metal Overlord has some

>>154743325
What I have against fan-fiction is that they need those characters to get people to read their story, and that's what they're banking on for readers.

Instead of just doing the Kojima thing and being all NOT Mel Gibson and NOT Danny Glover in SPACE.
PoliceNauts is best fan-fiction

I don't mind the ones that try and carry on a plot from the games or use the characters IC, but if yer gonna make it tryhard edgy shit which is completely OOC then use your own characters or something.

Or have it be TGT and be literal Art.

>>154743514
...of...of course it is.

Why is it worse than Sally Anthro from the comics.
Why is it not like the damn Biolizard at all
WHY IS IT GREEEEEEEEN

Oh well, it's not a bad drawing but still.

>>154734380
Good morning anon

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>>154743725
Pretty much this. The same applies to many fan games. Freedom Planet did the right thing starting their own IP.

>>154734821
>PC version so far down the list
why

>>154743725
>TGT
wut?

>>154744316
Your Google-fu is weak

>>154744720
yup

>>154743683
Well fanfic writers are always retards who just don't know any better. Kind of like people who make OCs. We have to teach them that it's not okay to do these things or else you look like a massive sperg

Where do I start if I want to read the comics?

>>154744892
>We have to teach them that it's not okay
Hard when both comics and modern games keep shoveling new characters on you influencing lesser minds to do the same.

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>>154744057

>>154744892
Strange then how everyone seems to have accepted Bump and Sage.

>>154744892
I wouldn't say all of them are, some just want to tell a story with the characters.
It's when you get completely OOC or go edgy and give Sonic a sword and a gun you tend to run into problems. And the 95% of people who do that give everyone a bad name.

I'm against most fan-fiction mind you, but some people just want to tell a good story. The Sonic Comics are essentially well written fan-fiction after all.
And by that I mean Ian's run to now. And the Fleetway because Fleetway kept to the games as much as or better than current Archie.

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>>154745157
>everyone

>>154745164
Name one good fanfic. You can't because none exist. All fanfiction is bad, just varying degrees of bad, and I'd rather not have it and the even worse cancer known as OCs exist at all
>>154745157
Because they're just mascots and nobody takes them seriously

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>>154745002
Start at issue 1 if you want the full experience, and issue 252 and Universe 55 if you just want the current continuity. Also follow pic related.

And this website http://en.sonicscanf.org/comics/archie/ is your friend

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>>154744892
Why is making fanfics and OCs not okay? I'm genuinely curious now.

I really hope SomecallmeJohnny does Sonic Rush series (maybe Advance too) after he's done with stairfax
I think I've heard that he will but I'm not sure

>>154745754
Because they're fucking awful and only serve to make the fandom of just about anything they're present in even worse. A breeding ground for bad ideas and even worse people. They're also never creative

>>154745620
>Tails Gets Trolled is bad
Boy, you've got me so mad I'm going to go have sex with my girlfriend so I won't be so mad.

That being said, Half Life: Full Life Consequences is pretty fucking stellar.

>>154745879
what's it about?

>>154745732
Alright cool, cheers.

I remember seeing some panels with weirdly anthro, almost human echidnas and it was really funny

>>154746057
Yeah, you're gonna see some WEIRD shit if you start from the beginning, and it'll get really, really bad at points, but it does eventually get better

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>>154746049
Tails gets bullied by trolls and complains to Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow. What follows truly is an experience.

>>154746130
that's okay, I've seen the worst of Sonic content. I'm just up to speed on My Hero Academia so I thought I'd pick something else up

I used to have a book that was like Where's Wally but with Sonic stuff and it was great

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>>154746269
>What follows truly is an experience

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>>154745864
>"Because I say so."
Ah.

>>154743832
Sally was always anthro.
Like all Sonic characters

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>>154734821
>tfw it will take two weeks to get to the UK
>ordered the PS4 edition
>buying PC version on release
The shit I do for this series.

>>154746338
So you obviously haven't read any Sonic fanfics or seen any of those godawful OCs, okay then. Well either that or you're guilty of one of those two things and are part of the problem then

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>>154746049

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>>154746049

is Gemerl the Adult Gohan of the Archie Sonic continuity?
>jobs every fucking fight he gets itself into

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>>154746450
>"If you're not with me, you're against me!"
I don't read fanfics, but I'm not going to pretend they're the worst thing in the world. Especially since it's a natural impulse to want to come up with your own stories about characters you like, and fanfics can serve as a platform for would-be writers to get in some practice.

As with everything in existence, fanfics vary from good to bad, and your unnecessarily angry ranting about how all of them are bad just makes you look like a whiny idiot with a petty grudge. So if you could knock it off and shut your noise hole, that'd be great.

>>154746710
every one not named Sonic or Egggman is the Adult Gohan of the Sonic series
>doesn't do shit
we've been over this

>>154746787
>As with everything in existence, fanfics vary from good to bad, and your unnecessarily angry ranting about how all of them are bad just makes you look like a whiny idiot with a petty grudge. So if you could knock it off and shut your noise hole, that'd be great.
No, all of them are bad, and the fact that you think there's any good ones only confirms you've never actually read any. Am I going to have to start posting examples?

Though there is one good thing to come from them: unintentional comedy and cringe material, so I guess they're good for something at least

>>154746832
>every one not named Sonic or Egggman is the Adult Gohan of the Sonic series
more like the rest of the Z-Fighter/DBZ cast that isn't Goku, F. Trunks, or Vegeta

>>154746884
>will only post bad examples
I don't read fanfiction unless it's hilariously bad, but you're doing the whole
ALL SONIC GAMES ARE BAD LET ME LIST SOME EXAMPLES argument.

>>154746958
Nah, I'd just post anything from the first page of FF.net. See the beautiful thing here is that I don't have to go out of my way to find bad fanfics

>>154747061
Just cause there's more bad than good doesn't mean that there is no good.

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>>154747105
Again, define 'good'.

Still waiting on that from last thread.

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>>154746884
>>154747061
>"I AM THE ARBITER OF WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BAD!!!"
You are arrogant and unbearably annoying. Get out.

>>154747105
Name one good Sonic fanfic and link it. Go ahead, I'll wait

>>154747247
Tails Gets Trolled

>>154747236
So I'm arrogant for stating the obvious fact that fanfiction and OCs are bad? Okay then, you sound like someone who makes those things.
>>154747297
That's bad on purpose. Try again

>>154747297
TGT isn't good, it's bad and funny because of it.

>>154747247
The archie comics

>>154745164
>Fleetway kept to the games as much as or better than current Archie.

Fleetway was extremely different from the games The personalities of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and so on, including Super Sonic, are massively different from their game counterparts.

>>154747456
Official comics licensed by Sega and sold for money. Try again

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>>154747247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8WJYNpViQ

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>>154746917
>Vegeta
>has lost 6 of his last 10 fights

>M. Trunks
>hasn't fought without getting absolutely shit on even once

it's just Sonic&Eggman / Goku&Villain of the week
and it wont change since this makes them most money with lowest production cost

>>154747457
>The personalities of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and so on, including Super Sonic, are massively different from their game counterparts.
Because I sure remember how Sonic constantly acted out in Sonic 3.

>>154747457
Well, the early days were open to interpretation.
I mean now, yeah fucking hell.

>>154747356
>bad on purpose
TGT is art

>>154747596
That's a youtube Poop, not a fanfiction

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>>154747659
It has fanfiction in the name.
Live with it.

>>154747356
You are arrogant for stating your opinions as though they were objective facts, and assuming that anyone who disagrees with you must be one who perpetuates that which you dislike. This, in turn, makes you incredibly annoying, and it would be best for everyone if you either cease this insipid line of discussion, or left the thread.

>>154747753
Nah. Why should I leave the thread? Cause you disagree with me?
>>154747720
Still not a fanfic. You can call an apple an orange but that doesn't change the fact it's an apple

>>154747628
DBZ is a series that always strived on character interaction and diversity.
Conversely, Sonic has always been about Sonic vs. Eggman.
DBZ should focus on variety in characters and fights with Goku in the spotlight, Sonic should have no focus on that.

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>>154747753
Much like you are doing right now.

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>>154747863
But what if the apple tasted like an orange yet continued to look like an apple?

>>154747863
>Nah. Why should I leave the thread? Cause you disagree with me?
Because you're being highly disruptive. You are failing to present your argument in a civil manner, and you come off as highly unreasonable, making this discussion utterly pointless. You should leave because nobody really wants to hear any of your rambling anymore.

>>154747889
>DBZ is a series that always strived on character interaction and diversity.
you are thinking about Dragon Ball
>DBZ should focus on variety in characters and fights with Goku in the spotlight, Sonic should have no focus on that.
yeah but what do you expect them to do when it's just copy of it with animals as main cast

>>154748096
>You should leave because I don't like you insulting muh fanfics :(((((
Yeah, no. Still waiting on that example

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What happened to Diana Skelly? Her art looks so wonky and badly layouted

>>154748281
This arc finally showed that she was just never good to begin with, and her facade of "LOL WACKINESS" finally faded

>>154748119
I actually meant DB up to a certain point of DBZ.
Most human characters become complete fodder which is a result of poor writing. Eventually even special species character become redundant which is just further proof of poor writing.

>yeah but what do you expect them to do when it's just copy of it with animals as main cast
That doesn't really matter, before the modern/adventure era the games didn't focus much on story or character interaction.
Diversity wasn't presented in writing but in gameplay.

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>>154748096
Fuck off, hugboxes are gayer than christmas

>>154748389
This is why things need to return to Sonic vs Eggman. The series strayed too far from it and that's part of what hurt it to begin with. We don't need voice acting, or cutscenes, or his shitty friends that nobody likes. Just simple Sonic vs Eggman.

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>>154733961
>>154720831
After all these years, someone besides me noticed those themes.

>>154748479
It's been that way for the past 6 years nearly, give or take a few characters.

>>154748920
And that's a good thing. Just take out the obligatory new character that's added and keep it to Sonic, Tails, and Eggman and you've got the best way to do a Sonic story

>>154749070
Man that sounds like a boring story.

>>154749167
Better than shit like Ow the Edge. The best Sonic stories are the simplest ones, like Sonic 2

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>>154749273
the only good story in Sonic was from Sonic 1

>>154749273
Sonic 2 had a story?

>>154748479
>>154749070
The series has been objectively worse since they started doing that. Boring plots with shitty writing and stale gameplay. Too much focus on keeping things safe, no focus on making things interesting. I'd rather have an interesting car wreck than something boring and stale like Lost World.

>>154749273
Sonic 3 did it really well, transitioning between zones was a really nice touch.
The cutscenes are a little bit much but at least they don't entirely remove control from the player.

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Nothing wrong with having cut-scenes as long as they are skippable

>>154748479
>We don't need voice acting, or cutscenes, or his shitty friends that nobody likes.
Speak for yourself. I like Amy, Cream, Cheese, Chocola, Big, Froggy, Tikal, Shadow, Rouge, Omega, Chaotix and even Chris Thorndyke.

>>154748281
The inking is the problem here.

The inker needs to be fired, it's fucking atrocious.

No pencils could survive inking this bad.

Is The Subspace Emissary's Worlds Conquest a good fanfic?

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>>154749847
The only acceptable character on that list is Froggy

>>154748479
You are cancer to Sonic.

>>154749414
>implying Lost World was playing it safe
Game got flaked for being nothing like its predecessors.

>>154748351
>was just never good to begin with,
>facade of "LOL WACKINESS" finally faded
Sounds just like Sonic

>>154750120
It was safe in the sense it was copying Mario, the 'safest' series around, in terms of tone and gameplay.

>>154749414
So you want another 06? Okay then
>>154749847
Thanks for telling me you're cancer
>>154749973
>Fanfics
>Good
Lol
>>154750029
Nah, the people who want the million friends are cancer to Sonic
>>154749408
Yes, but only in the manual, which is where it should stay. Also an ending cutscene

>>154748281
The art really has been hit and miss this arc.

>>154750254
I had more fun laughing at 06 than I ever did playing Lost World.

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>>154750254
MTP nobody likes you or your Rosalina obsession, fuck off

>>154750254
>So you want another 06?
Me and you are getting anothe 06 late next year. Did you see Crisis City in the trailer?

>>154750456
Yeah, that burning city shit. I thought Sonic team learned from 06, but I guess not

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>>154750456
Are you forgetting the most important game of next year?

>>154750120
Lost World was safe as fuck in that it tried appealing to mass audiences by doing the opposite of all the main criticisms that people had of Sonic.

- Too many stupid friends? Only Tails is a major one, even Amy and Knuckles only appear in minor cutscene roles.
- Boost2win too fast to see where you're going? Game is now slow as fuck and you need to hold a button down just to fucking run.
- Too much dark gritty realism? Everything is now bright pastel nauseating pillowy preschool graphics.

And it was garbage.

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>>154750583
We arent talking about Mario Runner, anon

>>154750608
>Only Tails is a major one, even Amy and Knuckles only appear in minor cutscene roles.
And that's a problem because?

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https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/776099855269699584

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just let them make shit games
you'll play them anyway :^)

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>>154750583
the animation is bad trust me i'm a animator

>>154750718
I got NiGHTS!

>>154750672
Because you're too stupid to understand why sonic is good, why stories are good.

>>154750821
I play games for the gameplay, not story

>>154750821
So Sonic is good because of 27,000 characters nobody wants. Also see >>154750871
Sonic is liked because of gameplay, not shitty friends

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>>154750718
get fucked first try
he's just too slow
>that cold steel and sanic

>>154748281
After the Dark Age, I don't want to complain about stuff like that that isn't much offensive to begin with. Certainly less offensive than the writing.

>>154750927
I never said I hated the characters

>>154750984
You got the unloved Sonic

>>154751010
>Certainly less offensive than the writing.
What did he mean by this?

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>>154751075
touché

>>154748661
Which themes? The GG/MS games are full of nice tracks.

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>>154750456
>one burning city equates to an 06 tier game

>>15475108

The writing has just become: "all characters appears in a middle of a fight" moments

>>154750718
>>154750984
I got Shadow first time and Sanic second time.

>>154751246
So what it's always been you mean: incredibly lazy. Why do people think these comics are good again?

>>154751214
>The DARKEST OF TIMES
>"Oh great that means we're going to have a tryhard edgefest like Shadow"

These people are serious and it hurts.

>>154751371
Well what else would it refer to?

>>154751312
Honestly the comics just fucking suck, and if you wanna know why, look up a guy named laviarray

>>154751556
I judge things by my own merit

>>154751437
The darkest of times is one of those buzzsubtitle I don't know what you call them, you throw out there to make the whole premise seem that much more exciting. I doubt Sega would go full retard again, even Boom's story was just lazy and innoffensive.

It'll just mean Eggman's won for once, by the look of the trailer. Eggman's always has been close, but never succeeded, but I doubt we're ever going to beat holding a gun to Amy's head or the last will of a dead man walking to crush the earth because of family troubles, will just be Eggman has won and shit's fucked yo, and by shit's fucked I mean, will be fixed with time shenanigans.

Where does Generations fit in the timeline? I know it's after Colors for modern Sonic, but where is it for classic Sonic?

>>154751214
Well that, the "Darkest of times" shit, Sonic getting pissed, and him almost getting killed. It's a bit much for a Sonic game isn't it?
>>154751672
Can you at least recognize why the comics are so ass then?
>>154751691
>Eggman winning
Isn't that incredibly out of character for him? He's not that competent, or at least shouldn't be

>>154751691
>Eggman's always has been close, but never succeeded
He won in Dark Brotherhood. Speaking of which, when are they making a sequel?

>>154751672
That stops you from reading other people's opinions and analyses?

>>154751759
>Isn't that incredibly out of character for him? He's not that competent, or at least shouldn't be
He's incredibly competent, he's just overconfident and goes up against Sonic.

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>>154750871
Oh, you play for the gameplay! My gosh, what a revolutionary idea! You should tell /v/, I bet nobody there has ever said gameplay is all that's important.

You know what would be the perfect Sonic game, no story at all. Just make it Sonic running through a bunch of levels to beat Eggman.

Wait! Fuck Eggman, Sonic vs Eggman is story, and even a little story is still too much! It's all about the gameplay right??? Just have sonic platforming to the end of a level, and throw in a harder enemy or whatever if you need a boss.


Better yet! Graphics are just an extension of story, FUCK GRAPHICS Green Hill, Ice, Casino etc etc blah blah blah. Get rid of em.

Sonic games SHOULD look just like test levels, don't WASTE valuable resources on backgrounds and sprites, resources that could be used perfecting the gameplay. We don't need to know if he's running through a ancient temple or a scrapyard, who cares if the enemies he beats are badniks or square blocks??? Losers who care about story that's who.

And fuck music, music only exists to 'set the tone' - what pretentious garbage. Any TRUE gameplay fan knows it's just as fun to jump from featureless block to featureless block in total silence, pure gameplay.

In fact, why even have Sonic at all?? What does a blue hedgehog add to the gameplay? What, you think the audience needs to know who they're playing as, like that matters at all to the gameplay? That's story, and FUCK STORY. Just make him a a featureless square too.

I think you need to contact SEGA, you've got some great ideas for the next Mario killer.

>>154751759
>"Sometimes you forget he's a scientist"
He's been close a couple of times, he got the Death Egg up a lot of times, fucked up Little Planet beyond time, wrecked a city and world fucking with the gods and rewrote time, if anything, without Sonic there wouldn't be a world. I have a feeling Sonic gets taken out of time for this to happen, like Fleetway Sonic did.

He's competent but his childish nature gets in the way, and without Sonic there to do so, he could get a lot of shit done.

>>154750672
Because it limits what they can do in terms of story and gameplay and just turns everything into a boring mess with no reason to give a shit, i.e. Lost World.

>>154751889
I'm really excited for the other levels.

>>154751929
Someone struck a nerve

>>154751929
You seem really fucking mad. Is it because you can't come to terms with the fact that Sonic doesn't need a story
>>154751987
They can still do interesting things with the levels, they don't need a million fucking playable characters. Like does anyone want to play as Charmy Bee or Big the fucking Cat? It's called Sonic the Hedgehog not Tails the Fox
>Story
Story doesn't and shouldn't matter in Sonic

>>154751889
So, Mania version is classic versio with holes in it?

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>>154751759
>>154751838
I dont care about the opinions of others.
If I enjoy something, I enjoy it and leave it at that.

>>154750254
No, it's the Sonic-only fags specifically this mindset which is the cancer. Friends are blank slates that are very easy to implement in the simplest of stories and take away nothing from Sonic. There is literally no reason why they shouldn't be revisited and worked into simple plots. The template for good game play is already there in the form of the classics and handheld sonic games which are ALL well received Sonic's friends and all.

And before you shout "muh relevancy", are you one who wants simple plots in Sonic games? Then for what purpose are you even concerned about relevancy in a simple X wants to defeat Eggman plot? They all want to defeat Eggman. It's the only motivation Sonic has and it works for his friends as well who share his ideals.

>>154752116
>classic versio with holes in it
Yeah, sure, whatever that means.

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>>154751929
Fuck off faggot

>>154752151
Friends are cancer that distract the dev teams from working on Sonic himself. If they really wanna play as his friends, just wait for mods or some shit or play Romhacks. Nobody wants his stupid fucking friends, they want Sonic. It's called Sonic the Hedgehog not Big the Cat or Charmy the Bee. Sonic vs Eggman is the only thing that needs to be
>>154752141
But can you at least recognize why the comics are shit?

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>>154751929
>All this butthurt from an Adventurefag

>>154751987
If you really need a story as a crutch in a Sonic game, you have failed.
You may argue that Lost World was boring due to its story but there was still a story there.
Clearly they didn't manage to hold your interest with the gameplay and that's on them. It's still what they should be focusing on.

>>154752151
What I don't get is that they want the same story each time.
Not even Mega Man and Mario redo the same story, there's always some change.
>It's not DR. WILY THIS TIME It's probably Dr. Wily this time
>It's Bowser takes a fairy/toad/Princess/cake/go-kart episode

Sonic and Tails stop Eggman taking over the world has been done so many times, at least have it Sonic and Tails stops someone else, or Sonic and Knuckles, or goddamnit Sonic and Tails stop Eggman BUT Eggman is Nega or SOMETHING, they just want like Sonic 1 over and over again because playing it safe over and over again never killed off any franchise.

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>>154752049
>>154752063
>gets blown the fuck out
>Y-y-you're mad

Could you be more sad.

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>>154752304
>But can you at least recognize why the comics are shit?
no, I dont have excellent patrician taste that matches up to your superior standards :^)

>>154752431
>Sonic and Tails stop Eggman taking over the world has been done so many times, at least have it Sonic and Tails stops someone else, or Sonic and Knuckles, or goddamnit Sonic and Tails stop Eggman BUT Eggman is Nega or SOMETHING, they just want like Sonic 1 over and over again because playing it safe over and over again never killed off any franchise.
Not really, Sonic and Tails stopping Eggman has only been done three or so times
>>154752472
I'm not the one who wrote a wall of text getting assmad that someone doesn't want a story in a fucking platformer. If anything, Sonic should be playing it safe. It's taken too many risks. >>154752426
Exactly. Story shouldn't be mandatory in a game like this. They should focus solely on gameplay because that's why people play VIDEO GAMES

>>154752472
You're free to see what you want. What I saw was someone having the fucking AUDACITY to say that they didn't care about the story in Sonic games, and you sperged the fuck out.

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>>154752472
>nobody gives a shit about his livejournal entry
>b-blown out fags LOL...
Keep telling yourself that anon.

Would you like this character roster for Snic 2017?
Modern Sonic, classic Sonic, modern Tails, classic Tails, modern Knuckles, classic Knuckles.

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>>154752304
Isn't there a deviantart group you can post your shit taste on?

>>154752623
>Not really, Sonic and Tails stopping Eggman has only been done three or so times
and even if it has been done more, it doesn't need to deviate from that. Simple plots work best for Sonic, so it stands to say that minimal plot is the best kind of plot for Sonic. That's all you need.
>>154752664
Nah. Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic vs the Eggmen is enough

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didn't we just have this argument yesterday

>>154752304
Then make it so you could optionally play through one story (Sonic's story) and get to the final true boss by way of chaos emerald collecting. There. Problem solved. You don't have to play as the others but they are there for those who want it and it all leads to the same ending for everyone. And again, who shows up in a simple plot is easily boiled down to wanting to stop Eggman. No baggage, no distractions, just a simple Sonic and friends chase Eggman story line.

>>154752754
No, it still takes away dev time from Sonic himself and that's a bad thing. Nobody but retards want anyone but Sonic. Maybe Tails and Knuckles are acceptable if it's a 2d game. Sonic only if it's 3D

>>154751929
You're gonna get a lot of shit for ironically shitposting, but you're right.
People saying there shouldn't be story because it's a cartoon or whatever other pathetic excuse or strawman they have are idiots looking to deprive others of a form of enjoyment that would not detract at all from the gameplay. And I say idiots specifically because it shows they know absolutely nothing about how games are created and put together. In fact, the people that create the cutscenes are the farthest removed from the people that create the gameplay. Just disregard those that want not just a minimalist story, but a practically nonexistent one, as purebred idiots and leave it at that. They're just as bad as the "Sally should have autism" or "Sonic should be an asshole" guys if I'm going to be blunt about it.

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All this fighting just because one anon asked if Gemerl is useless and I answered like everyone else who's not named Sonic or Eggman

jesus
you people need to get outside
go grab some fresh air and live a little

>>154752623
>Sonic 2
>Sonic GG (One of em)
>Sonic Colours
>Generations
>Lost World
At least 5, but yeah, I thought it'd be more.

>>154752734
Ok, so, you're in charge of Sega because Bizzaro came to town, you made three Sonic games.
Tell me what differentiates the three.
Ignoring level choices, and keeping it Sonic and Tails stops Eggman and that's it, what's would you make different so it's both minimalistic but so no-one will tell you that you should have just made the levels DLC. In terms of story and gameplay i you could/.

>>154752754
>and it all leads to the same ending for everyone.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

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>>154752623
You (or a dumbass just like you) are the one who posted a retarded meme opinion >hurr GAMEPLAY

As if "gameplay" is mystical panacea on how to make a good game, and how Sonic games are have been good in the past.

>>154752638
The -audacity- to post literally cancerous and stupid opinions that should be shut down whenever a retard gets the courage to utter them.

>>154752657
You seem significantly mad.

>>154752861
>Sally should have autism"
Not that guy, but hell, I'd take it. Certainly better than the bland cardboard cutout we have now
>>154753017
>This guy calling other people mad
Lol. Your opinion is even worse.

>>154752937
this is why you should keeps your stupid mouth shut
nothing good comes out of it if you open it

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>>154753080
Blaze is already our autism waifu, fuck off

>>154752853
Assuming it's a 2D game and the plot is stop Eggman, then it really shouldn't be a problem besides sprite work. Tails and Knuckles game play style from the classics are interchangeable with the other friends and they've functioned similarly in the past.

>>154752985

Nothing. Collecting all seven chaos emeralds unlocks the final boss and it can be done in anyone's story.

>>154752746
Ah...but for me, it was Tuesday.

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>>154752861
Every moment spent on watching a cutscene is time better spent on actually playing the game.

Use any of the classic games as a reference point on how to make a Sonic game with a non-intrusive story.

>>154753017
>You seem significantly mad.
The 'you mad' meme never gets old. Well played.

>>154753162
She doesn't actually have autism though. What if she did?
>>154753231
M Bison please go

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>>154753080
Memes replies deserve meme responses.

If you don't care so much, as you're obviously trying to project since you're obsessed with someone else having emotion on a subject they care about, then why the hell are you posting on a Sonic General on 4chan?

>>154753313
She does have autism, prove me wrong

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hey guys how about a game with good gameplay AND a good story

>>154753387
but that would mean that they would need to put effort to it

>>154753080
>Certainly better than the bland cardboard cutout we have now
Except that's not what we have and you are that guy. Don't ever reply to me again, faggot.
>>154753289
>Every moment spent on watching a cutscene is time better spent on actually playing the game
And that's a player choice as long as cutscenes can still be skipped. Requires no change on the dev end until they add in a 3 minute unskippable monologue before an extremely brutal boss fight that has no checkpoints in it.

A Sonic game is fine without a story. It doesn't NEED one. That said, story is welcome, with some constraints.

It doesn't need to be the focal point. It's a game. Gameplay should be the focal point. Story needs to be the backdrop. Even music and visuals are FAR more important than story.

Give us a brief synopsis, and then let it progress with the gameplay. Rely on showing us what happens, rather than having the characters open their mouths and spout cringey as fuck dialog. Less is more. Have some tact, some dignity. Sonic should be able to be enjoyed by all ages. Don't alienate a large portion of the potential adult demographic with straight up English-dub-battle-shonen-anime style character interaction.

The story doesn't even need to be as simple as "Eggman's being a dick to your buddies, kick his butt!". It can be as wide in scope as you want, so long as you can clearly tell it through the characters' physical interaction in the gameplay.

Sonic 3K handled this perfectly. Gamma in SA1 was a good example of how to touch on some heavy themes without being hamfisted and on the nose about it.

>>154752664
I'd rather no classic characters. ST can't into the old school physics and level design that made the classic gameplay solid. Let the Mania team handle classic shit.

For Modern characters, we need speedy motherfuckers:
>Sonic
>Shadow
>Blaze
>Jet
>Metal Sonic

I'd like to see Tails and Knuckles, but I don't know how you'd incorporate their more exploration-centric abilities into the boost gameplay.

>>154753387
>no such thing as a good Sonic story hurr

I think Sonic Adventure story is a best with Sonic Heroes coming in second. Adventure 2 is up there but the whole Gerald the Firing Squad thing kinda throws spanners into the works.

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>>154753387
No, I want great gameplay and a shitty story

>>154753387

THOSE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE REEEEE

>>154753387
No joke, there was a thread posted on /v/ that asked if they could have a Mario game with excellent gameplay and an excellent story, or a Mario game with normal gameplay - about half of the twits picked no story simply because they've been sucked into the Gameplay Meme so bad.

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>>154753387
Sonic Battle

>>154753375
Prove that she does have autism first
>>154753581
Having gameplay as the focus in a video game is a meme now? Kotaku get the fuck OUT

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>>154753581
>that asked if they could have a Mario game with excellent gameplay and an excellent story

It's been done before

>>154753581
>Gameplay Meme
I can't believe you just said that as if that's a thing...

Since when was gameplay in video games a meme, second to story?

>>154753706
But that wasn't good.

>>154753786

>>154753659
No, not the focus. A game with excellent gameplay AND excellent story, verses a game with good gameplay and no story.

You're so fucking deluded in /v/ style 'game design' you would literally chose to make a theoretical game worse just because of memes.

>>154753659
>Having gameplay as the focus in a video game is a meme now?
Apparently reading is a meme now.
The meme is having no story and good gameplay when the option for good story and good gameplay is available. Why the fuck wouldn't you choose the one with more? People get confused on the difference between "gameplay focused" and "literally only gameplay exists". And by confused I mean /v/ is retarded.

>>154753514
Underrated the first portion, at least

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I've come up with an exhaustive list of all popular recent video games with no story.

>>154753659
Gameplay should always be the focal point, but give me a reason to care.

When I was little, I cared cause I was gonna kick Robotnik I was a kid, I didn't know Eggman was a thing for yeeears cause didn't get 3d Sonic until Heroes ass because he tricked Knuckles.

When I played MGS2, the gameplay was sound but I wanted to find out why shit was fucked.
I was a stupid kid and still didn't realise why shit was actually fucked until years later, but still.

Nowadays I play Sonic because it's Sonic, but I'd like some tension/something to look forward to.

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>>154734810
>>154737168
>>154753017
>>154753289
>>154753337
>>154753581
>>154753659
>>154753772
>>154753876
>>154753940
>meme

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>>154753786

>>154753940
>Why the fuck wouldn't you choose the one with more?
Because more story ≠ more gameplay.

If anything it's video game stories being a meme.

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>>154753772
Since /v/ started a million

>"Whats more important
Gameplay, Story, Music, Graphics threads"

It's somewhat died down from it's peak a year ago, but the cancer still remains, as evidenced by this thread.

It's really Gameplay vs Art Direction.

And yes, there are plenty of great games that art direction is more important than gameplay. Art direction (story, music and graphics) directly influences how entertaining gameplay feels.

>>154754075
>Nowadays I play Sonic because it's Sonic, but I'd like some tension/something to look forward to.
This.
Very much so.

>>154754075
>but I'd like some tension/something to look forward to.
Well you can look forward to kicking his ass. I'm just asking for something like Sonic 2, or at worst, 3&K

>>154754156
>Because more story ≠ more gameplay.
Uh. No shit?
Good thing More Story != Less Gameplay, otherwise you antistoryfags might have a point.

>>154754187
>Art direction (story, music and graphics) directly influences how entertaining gameplay feels.
Like?

>>154754245
S3+K a best though, you get interrupted for Knuckles being a dick for ten seconds, and level transitions so you feel like you're on a connected world, and then the Death Egg in the background in some levels and all that jazz. That shit excited me more as a kid than Sonic 2's NEXT LEVEL = RUINS FOR NO REASON.

I agree, minimalistic is swell, but not too much. Mario "No story allowed" still has a good ol' "Welp Bowser took a green fairy to his castle made out of Snoop Dogg's recycling bin"

>>154754323
Not him but presentation is important to accommodate gameplay. I don't agree with story being important, arguing Sonic games.

>>154754323
>Like?
Seriously?

Okay, lets use the Sonic series for an example.

We care about beating Eggman and destroying badniks because he shoves cute little animals in them and plans to conqueror the earth. They make a satisfying sound when they are destroyed. They look good, and add to the atmosphere of the level which makes it fun to explore.

Or how about Sonic running?
Sonic isn't actually that fast from a gameplay perspective. It's the clever utilization of graphics that gives us the illusion of speed and going much faster than he really is.

I mean, this is all incredibly obvious stuff.

>>154754075
Comparing Sonic to one of the pinnacles in meta media doesn't really apply. Metal Gear, much like my earlier argument about Dragon Ball, builds on character diversity.

Sonic does and should not.

>>154754458
>FOR NO REASON.
Fucking SRWUX

>>154753387
>Sonic 3 & Knuckles

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Sonic doesn't need to have a good story, but it should at least have an ENTERTAINING one if it tries to. SA2 isn't a literary masterpiece but it's plot is leagues above LW in terms of how enjoyable it is.

>>154754075
Since you brought up MGS, it's worth pointing out that story is more important in some games than others.

In Sonic's case, I argue that it's literally dead last. In the case of MGS, it's near the top.

Sonic is a franchise that touches several mediums. Games, comics, movies, shows, etc. In the games, the sole thing that they have unique to them is gameplay. It is the defining feature of the games. It's what sets them apart. It's what makes them what they are.

In the classic canon of games (1, 2, CD, and 3K), there was a consistently solid, easy to pick up, and deceptively deep gameplay style, across all four games. The story was always kept to a minimum, a backdrop. The gameplay was unlike anything before, but the story was fairly basic stuff.

And that's when Sonic was at peak positive reception. When the story was literally dead last on ST's priority list. Sonic was always a game first.

I'm fine with a story as big and as well written as they come in the entire history of storytelling, but if they don't yet have 10/10 gameplay in the game already, then they're barking up the completely wrong tree.

And even then, it better not be intrusive through unskippable cutscenes or characters talking at every point throughout every level. Of all the things that should be optional in a game like Sonic, it should be that which has historically been of the least consequence.

And again, 3K did a wonderful job of telling a story without spoken dialog or exposition dumps. You SEE that Knuckles is a fucking dick, how he knows his way around the island. You SEE how the Zones you're going though are connected. You SEE what Eggman's up to. You SEE that he tricked Knuckles. You even get to see some lore in the background of Hidden Palace Zone while fighting Knuckles. That progression through Lava Reef, with the Death Egg getting ever closer in the background.

>>154754657
>We care about beating Eggman and destroying badniks because he shoves cute little animals in them and plans to conqueror the earth. They make a satisfying sound when they are destroyed. They look good, and add to the atmosphere of the level which makes it fun to explore.
>>154754691
>Sonic does and should not.
Further proof as to why Sonic doesn't need a story or playable characters other than Sonic
Sonic isn't about grand epic serious stories. It's about a blue hedgehog beating up someone called EGGMAN and jumping on robots. The gameplay alone gives you enough reason as to why you want to stop him, because it's fun to destroy these things. You don't need someone like Tails or Knuckles or Amy or Shadow to have a good Sonic game or Sonic "story"

>>154754657
>this entire post
Putting it on a little thick.
Obviously presentation is important but I don't pop robots because of the story or their implications but for the lively art and colors, and like you mentioned, sounds. Also because they are obstacles which is a direct influence on gameplay, not story.

Story literally plays no role in any of this.

>>154754323
Story sets the tone, gives the player and character reason for their actions, and provides settings.
Music alone can affect how "into it" a player gets and does a lot for atmosphere and mood.
SFX is probably the most overlooked aspect of this. In platformers specifically, the sound of jumping, hitting an enemy or object, or even dying provide weight to the world and actions. A personal favorite of mine is the hitstun in fighting games. Gives hits varying feelings of weight and impact depending on how strong the attack is.
And I'm just explaining this as simply as I can. Games are not just about one aspect. It requires a lot more than just gameplay. Even the most basic and "gameplay focused" games of all time on the Atari 2600 still had SFX and graphics, albeit simplistic due to limitation.
>>154754913
For you. For others, the reason why they are doing so is also important and helps them become immersed in the game they're playing.

>>154754880
I'll try a tl;dr version:
>a little story can add a lot of depth to a Sonic game with good gameplay, but a lot of story can put a lot in the way of the good gameplay

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>>154755010
Fuck off with your reasonable response

>>154755025
>For you. For others, the reason why they are doing so is also important and helps them become immersed in the game they're playing.
And those people shouln't be playing Sonic because expecting that kind of thing from a kid's platformer franchise about a blue hedgehog is ludicrous

>>154755025
>For you. For others, the reason why they are doing so is also important and helps them become immersed in the game they're playing.
As an experiment I'd be interested to see if people really lost interest all that much if you removed any mention of story outside of what is told within the game of, for example, Sonic 2.

I doubt most sensible people would just put down the controller and say "but what is my objective? why am I doing this?".
Most people would probably hold right and have a good time doing it.

>>154754691
I wasn't talking about more characters, although I kind of agree with your point I still think having some character interaction wouldn't kill the franchise.

Was talking about reasons to care.
Fine, Mega Man, a game that's played it safe and died cause Capcom, a good comparison, right?
I cared in 1 because WILY TOOK OVER MY ROBOTS LET'S SAVE EM. Also cause the gameplay was solid.
Cared in 2 because WILY DID IT AGAIN, THE MADMAN.
3 changed it up a bit, they added something new, a robot that was sometimes a dick and sometimes pretty good, but why, I wanted to continue playing to find out why.
etc.
If it was the same game 10 times I really would have stopped caring.

Sonic should have something changed with each new game, and stuff like new characters done well and not obtrusive is fine, new plot elements are cool when not too complicated or out of tone, etc.
Cause otherwise we've all seen the same song and dance before. Think of it from a kid's perspective, gameplay is cool and important, but you have to excite them somehow too. You do the same plot for Power Rangers 10 episodes in a row they'll revolt.

>>154754075
I think some story driven urgency would be cool, sonic should be a fast paced game and all, but remember that's what sonic 06 tried to do.

What would a sonic game look like if it was directed by kojima

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Who hurt my baby.

>>154755281
>but what is my objective? why am I doing this?
Even in Sonic 2, you knew that by reading the little blurb in the manual.

You didn't really need to know more than that.

>not being a kid playing Sonic 2, having never read the manual, and just making up your own story to go with it

anyone know if Sonic Classic Collection for the DS is good or am I better off playing on a emulator

>>154755325
You realize nothing of what you're saying is objective.

I'm pretty sure a majority just plays with little mind on what your motives are.

Maybe I'm alone in not giving a hoot about story Mega Man. You jump and shoot.

>>154755449
Manuals are not tied directly to the game.
Many people played without reading them.

>>154755325
>, but you have to excite them somehow too
Cue gameplay. If gameplay's fast and exciting they won't care about story. I doubt most kids watch cutscenes anyways
>>154755449
Exactly. You don't need a story outside of maybe a manual

>>154755465
Emulator for sure.

Remember: complaints about characters other than Sonic being playable come from non-fans and should be ignored.

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The only people who say "Sonic doesn't need a story" are people who had no friends and limited social interaction when they were in elementary and middle school. The average kid in Sonic's target demographic wants a Saturday morning cartoon/shonen anime story because they think it's dark and mature and cool. Kids that age reject shit like Colors and Lost World and stupid dumb Barney/Teletubbies garbage. Adventure 2, Shadow and even 06 appealed more to Sonic's core demographic than Lost World and your hypothetical story-light game.

One of the biggest misconceptions this thread is putting out, is the idea that "Stories" in video games are exclusively what's written in the manual or in the cuteness.

Mario's story does not stop at "Bowser kidnapped Peach, and Mario must go to rescue her"

A picture says a thousand words is meant literally. Every scene, every enemy, every level is part of the "story". It's not part of a narrative arc, but characterization, world building, aesthetic, are all components of a games story.

>>154754691
Sonic can, does and should.

Ever since Sonic conception, story has been a huge important part of him. He was literally designed by a marketing department - he is the cool mascot, to counter the plain and bland Mario.

Story is characterization, and Sonic was loaded with characterization if stark contrast to the competition. Eggman was loaded with characterization too.

Sonic 1 had minimalist story, but it's story component, its art direction, was an incredibly important part of a whole.

>>154754905
>Sonic isn't about grand epic serious stories

Sonic is about a lot of things, there are a ton of Sonic games with 'grand', 'epic' and serious stories.

@154755801
Not even a (you)

>>154755472
I agree with your subjective thing, but not giving a hoot about the story of Mega Man, damn son, it's actually pretty good.

>>154755679
I used to read the manuals of my games and watch all the cutscenes. Sonic Heroes I never skipped one.

Didn't they already confirmed S3&K tier story telling for Mania. And I'm sure the act 2 continues right away from when act 1 ends like in S3&K.

>>154755842
>Ever since Sonic conception, story has been a huge important part of him. He was literally designed by a marketing department - he is the cool mascot, to counter the plain and bland Mario.
No, not really. Blast Processing didn't refer to story, and Sonic didn't become a superstar due to some story
>>154755825
>The only people who say "Sonic doesn't need a story" are people who had no friends and limited social interaction when they were in elementary and middle school
Projecting much?

>>154755842
Best post in this shitstorm thread.

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>>154755727
good to know thanks

>>154755842
>there are a ton of Sonic games with 'grand', 'epic' and serious stories.
But none of them were really good.

>>154755801
>No True Scotsman bullshit
Come on anon, I expect better
>>154755935
Ah yes, the story of, "Wily is a dick, go stop him" what a compelling narrative.

>>154755260
>those people shouldn't be playing Sonic because of my own ludicrous belief of what Sonic needs to be
You're no better than the backpack Sonic guy, m8.
>>154755281
Story isn't a make or break deal. Some will be disappointed but they'll get over it if the gameplay is good, just as some would be mad if there is story. But why take away a more in-depth story when limitations of hardware are not an issue anymore like with the Genesis/Mega Drive when it would just detract from the game as a whole?
Ultimately, gameplay is the foundation and should be the focus but just like a house, it can't live on foundation alone. It still needs wallpaper, appliances, carpet, and furniture to go with the floor, walls, and plumbing.
A game should strive to be good on all fronts. That's a part of polish, which is one of the most important aspects of a game. Lacking in an aspect for no other reason than to be lacking in that aspect just brings down the overall quality. And sure, having a minimalist story can be a stylistic choice but having it in Project 2017 from what I've seen would be a misstep while such a choice in Mania would be fine considering it fits with the old school feel of that game and hearkens back to when storytelling was limited by hardware.

>>154755962
Sonic did actually become a superstar because he's a very likable, cool guy. Someone kids want to play as.

You could have all the blast processing in the world, if the character is a dud, it's going to be a huge impediment to the game.

>>154756107
>But why take away a more in-depth story when limitations of hardware are not an issue anymore like with the Genesis/Mega Drive when it would just detract from the game as a whole?
Because Sonic doesn't need an in depth story, and any attempts at it have been garbage

>>154756103
It kinda steps up the game with X, and even if your limiting it to classic, you still have Blues and Bass and different robots and WHAT WILL WILY DO THIS WEEK kind of thing.

Out of curiosity, can you tell me some stories in games you do like?

>>154756208
Characterization isn't necessarily related to story.
I agree that everything helps telling a story, even down to gameplay, but when writing dialogue is required that's where I draw the line.

Again, just arguing for Sonic here, not in general.

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>>154756107
There are plenty of games where gameplay isn't the focus.

I'm not playing Paper Mario for the menu combat.

>>154756334
>I agree that everything helps telling a story, even down to gameplay, but when writing dialogue is required that's where I draw the line.
Your mentality is roughly 21 years out of date, which is probably longer than you've been alive.

>>154756334
>I agree that everything helps telling a story, even down to gameplay, but when writing dialogue is required that's where I draw the line.
This. Sonic doesn't need dialogue. He shows enough attitude through idle animations and the games did just fine without it. Besides, Sonic's never had good dialogue anyways

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>hyper sonic in green hill paradise act 2

>>154756543
Fire and Ice has pretty great banter.

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>>154756392

>>154756107
>But why take away a more in-depth story
It feels like you're not reading our replies.

I agree that the classic games likely told their story the way they did due to limitations but why fix what ain't broke? They're very much timeless pieces, especially when compared to anything past the 2D era.
If you really want a deeper story there are far more interesting games that offer it. No other game offer just the raw gameplay experience of the classics except fan games and romhacks and their level design is mostly shit.

>>154756219
>Because Sonic doesn't need an in depth story
You'll need to give an actual reason for that otherwise your opinion is utterly worthless.
>and any attempts at it have been garbage
Again, more opinions and I refuse to reply with what games I think have good plot because the only response I will get is
>nuh uh because i say so
>>154756392
>RPGs
You already know why that is. You didn't even need to bring it up.
Part of Role-Playing is character interaction, which requires a large emphasis on story. It's why the newer Paper Mario games have been getting backlash. On top of having shittier gameplay.

>>154756625
Perfect for Sonic

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>>154756625
A great example of a gameplay focused game that stripped the story out for the worse.

>>154756624
>Sonic Boom
In the trash it goes
>>154756631
>If you really want a deeper story there are far more interesting games that offer it. No other game offer just the raw gameplay experience of the classics except fan games and romhacks and their level design is mostly shit.
This. If you want story there's a million other franchises to get it from
>>154756680
>You'll need to give an actual reason for that otherwise your opinion is utterly worthless.
Because any attempts at it have been trash and the relatively simple concept of jumping on robots and beating up a fat asshole named Eggman is what got Sonic so popular. It's a fucking platformer not an RPG. Mario gets away with simple stories, why not Sonic?

>>154756430
Way to attack my character rather than explain the issue.