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first for when

HOLY FUCK CHECK THE BLOG

Who would win, wtg
>team with one of each prop fighter
vs
>team with one of each jet fighter

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>look in comments for leo A1A1
>whining about how OP it's going to be and it's not fair that it's from the 70s
what?
leopards are the easiest T5 to deal with provided;
A. you don't meme off the hull
or
B. have your round go in one side and out the other for no explainable reason

>>154730373
RB? Jets.
AB? Props.

>>154730373
props would win

>>154729710
Do Americans have the worst tanks
Seems like tank destroyers are their only decent path
Everything looks mediocre in medium till you get to Pershing and Patton, and m60 seems to be outclassed by its rivals
Then there's the glass shitmans that you have to go through

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>>154730168

>>154729710
Can you also download tank skins?
Why pay for camo?

>>154730660
think of it a short bit
you download custom skin
other players didn't download it
what are they going to see?
default skin, of course.

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>player with 3rd lowest score on the team and 0 air or ground kills says "noob team" when we lose

>>154731108
Yeah even as I posted I started pondering about that

is t-34-85 worth talismaning for tier 5 grind?

>>154731372
the second tier 4 one will get you more Rp for tier Vs but is 0.3 higher so take your pick

>>154731524
does the 0.3 fuck it over?

>>154731645
extends the worst you can see to pershings so you see alot muricun 90s and Tiger II (P)s + jagdpanthers but its still pretty good it just sometimes gets in lobbys where it cant club

>>154731645
Talisman the T-44, it's better. Both T-34-85s are undertiered, though, so your choice really.

>>154731914
not enough pen for a 6.3 tank

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>mfw playing bombers in SB

http://www.strawpoll.me/11222566

Have boredom and gumby set a date for the wedding yet?

Will it be streamed for /wtg/?? :3

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Would you fuck it?

REAL BREAD
http://krautchan.net/v/thread-165229.html
REAL BREAD
http://krautchan.net/v/thread-165229.html
REAL BREAD
http://krautchan.net/v/thread-165229.html

>>154732651
fuck off

>>154732405
no because I'm not a burgerboo

>>154732405
>http://krautchan.net/v/thread-165229.html
i would fuck it with minengeschoss

Should slavs be allowed to play games?

>>154733242
no
noooooooooo

Are you ready for Gepard announcement today to complete the ruinment of Ground forces?

>>154733825
no because i play german

>>154733825
Top tier tanks are unfun as shit, so I ain't even mad. Only thing I'll do in the vads is brrrrrrt in custom memes.

>>154733825
I don't give a shit about tanks because I'm not an autistic pleb faggot.

>>154733953
Just wait autismo they will come back and ruin jets even further one day.

>>154733825
spaa with less pen ruins ground forces rather than zsu 57 ? also one has he filler in it

>>154734762
>what is Gepard with HVAP

>>154734834
post ''hvap'' stats

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/282840-gepard-1a2/

This is never coming, its not even good at killing jets

>>154735145
>this damage control
go drink your vodka

Why did Gaijin add AP/HVAP/APDS ammo to SPAA? Killing planes only really needs low pen HE ammo. Why add in ammo that can kill tanks? They clearly did this because they knew SPAA would be a tank destroyer in WT.

>>154735304
Because those tanks were equipped with those shells IRL. Why they gave HVAP to the SPAAs that never served is beyond me, though.

>falcon had 30mm cannons
>has apds that does nearly 120mm pen
>people think 35mm cannon gepard will be weak

should i Talisman the Tiger II (H) to grind faster to tier V?

>>154735992
This or panther 2

>>154735618
>gun diameter is the only thing that matters
Wow, they should've made apds for the KV-2!

>>154735304
Even in 1944 up 25% of russian tank losses were due to low calibre AA, so they project it on all SPAAGs.

>>154735992
Your first mistake was to go up to 4 in the first place. T5 is nothing but IT-1 cancer

>>154736154
>Even in 1944 up 25% of russian tank losses were due to low calibre AA,
what
proofs?
actually curious

Do you guys think Cougar will be the next step in jet power creep or a generic shitbox?

>>154736132
>implying KV-2 didnt have a good AP round

>>154735304
APDS is actually good for AA because Speed and distance they can go. Mind you in real life generals didnt ap

>>154736396
Disnt send AA to the front lines*

>>154736195
http://tankarchives.blogspot.de/2014/07/permanent-losses.html?m=1
>47% lost to artillery in and around kursk

Ill give you tje article i actually meant once i find it

>>154736524
wouldn't artillery also count anti tank guns?

>>154736524
>artillery only means SPAA

???

>>154736295
Cougar probably won't be significantly better than the Hunter.

After the cougar there lots of places to go without going full retard. Very early afterburning jets wouldn't be too bad since there are already faster jets than them, unguided air to air rockets were pretty poop, and very early A2A missiles would only be seriously problematic for Tu-4s.

Any of those being added won't help with the fags screaming for MiG-19 vs Super Sabre br 10.0 matches, though.

>>154736790
Gaijin doesnt model weaknesses. A2A would ruin jets.

>>154736843
>they didn't put minimum range on ATGMs, so that means gaijin doesn't model any weaknesses at all!
>I've never used or fought against ATGMs, so you know for sure I'm an expert!
Literally fuck off, Helmet.

>>154736784
Never said that

>>154736709
Yeah. Likr i said, this isnt the article i originally meant.

>>154736906
I play 8.0 tanks, i think ive played again ATGM you insufferable faggot.

WWII: br 1-8.7
Cold War: br 10-20
SPAA should be allowed in air games. SPAA in GF shoukd only be allowed yo have as many SPAA as there are planes up, no more.

>That one fucking guy that spends ENTIRE fucking match rising his altitude
I know being higher than others is an advantage but come the fuck on. There is basically no way to defend against this.

>>154737096
Prove it

>>154737196
yes there is

Play the objective and groundpound tanks/pillboxes

>>154736906
+10GE!

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>>154737269
Your move, slavshit.

>>154736295
The first step in power creep was the MiG-17. The Cougar is just an F9F-5 on steroids, it won't be better than the other endgame jets

>>154737868
nice job posting something that's already been posted here before, jackass

>>154738080
Stay mad slavshit

Test server will be up tomorrow

>>154738447
source

>>154738714
Website, this also means no more tanks or planes.
Get fucked naziboo.

>>154738754
how am I a naziboo
I just want to fly the cougar

>>154738920
he probably means naziboos in general

>>154738168
nice retort
you really proved me wrong

>>154739196
Go ahead and show us your 8.0 tanks anon since you seem to think you are an ATGM expert

https://warthunder.com/en/news/4241-development-flakpz-i-gepard-the-second-and-last-of-its-name-en/

MAKE
IT
STOL

>>154740107
> It was able to reach speeds of up to 65 km/h
>While Gepard is primarily an anti-aircraft gun, it can be very well used against many lightly-armoured enemy units including some medium tanks.
>APDS ammo with a maximum penetration of 90mm at 1,000 m at an arc of 90 degrees.

Say hello to cancer of 8.0


>Once the sky is safe, use your great speed to get behind enemy positions and show your versatility by penetrating the rear and side hull of enemy medium tanks.

They even encourage this gameplay

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YESSSSSSSSSS

>>154740107
>Start your round by providing cover for allied tanks against enemy bombing and rocket air raids.

Its almost like... they dont even play their own game.

>>154740529
Pretty sure they only play their inhouse meta.

>>154740653
Reason 1 why we will not get ships. Battles lasting more than 2.5 minutes where boring to devs, while polls on the forum show a large number of players want 15-30 minute games.

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>>154740410
hory shet
>35mm pen SAPHE-I
>90mm pen APDS
>sexy sound
jesus christ why are all the SPAAGs so good

>>154740905
speed isn't everything ))))

>>154741147
What did you mean by this.

>>154741210
It's a fucking meme to justify faster jets shitting on slower ones is okay.

>Stona_WTadministratorJust now0
>I think we have enough fast aircraft that are able to take bombs and destroy high tier SPAAs :)

Yeah because i want to dive bomb SPAA that can shoot 3k-4k rounds a min

>>154740981
looks like it will only get 40 rounds of APDS

>>154742098
wait, they have a limit on ammunition?

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Got shot straight through the front armor on the Jadgpanther twice by stronk 85mm

?????

>>154742251
looks like it

>HEI-T with a 120 g of explosive substance, SAPHEI-T with a maximum penetration of 35mm at 1,000m within an arc of 60 degrees and 40 rounds of APDS ammo with a maximum penetration of 90mm at 1,000 m at an arc of 90 degrees.

either limited ammo or they give him 40 dif kinds of APDS which i kinda doubt

>>154742491
ZSU AP LIMIT WHEN?

>>154740107
FLÚGÁBVÉHRKÁNONEPÁNZÁGÉPÁRD

>>154742098
All they need is 10 good placed shots

>>154730168
1970s?

Reminder that people who hate SPAA are a minority and people come from WoT to WT just for SPAA

Why can't you set separate mouse sense for tanks and planes?

>>154742737
>people come from WoT to WT just for SPAA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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What is the Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno of tanks and why is it pic related?

>>154742994
just buy the premium control options )))

>>154730381
But its fast and can kill my T-10 frontaly

>>154743098
the t92 isn't even slightly unassuming
T-34 is a better fit. Possibly the T-34 prototype, with the stronger engine.

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>>154743098
>>154743301
>not m18

>>154743098
You mean the M-18?

>>154743301
>>154743390

The T92 even has the same side profile as the AE86.

>>154743390
>>154743426
m18 is an equally dumb choice
they are more like S2000 or MX5, purpose-built small speed tanks

>>154742431

>80mm armor that's only strong due to slopeyness
>T-34-85 gets above me and undoes the power of slopeyness
>I'm even slightly down at an angle to make the slopey less slopey
>m-muh armor!

nigga a Stuart could've penned you from where that 34-85 was

>>154743484
nigga the gun mantlet is over 200mm thick slopped back at 46°

>>154743761
But he hit right out side of that.

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>>154743098
>>154743301
>>154743390
>>154743426
>>154743472

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>>154743761
eh looks like it hit really close to the mantlet but it didnt hit it (just look at what plate is highlighted)

>>154743761

The plate that flashes is the big flat one.

You didn't get hit in the gunshield or anything like that. You got slapped on the flat plate, VERY close to the good shit.

I'm not defending the T-34-85s, fuckers have like a 60-70% W/R in both AB and RB. And USSR obliterates Era V. The game isn't inherently biased by making magic slav bounces or penetrations (I've seen all kinds of crazy "NO PEN )))))" on Tiger II Ps before); it's just that the developers take forever to fix Battle Ratings and they're almost always skewed to be nice to Russia initially.

Fuckin' M36 is higher BR than the T25 which is better than it in every SINGLE WAY.

>>154743981
>>154743912
>>154744081
>>154742431

>when the .95x armor modifier is just right

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>almost 3.0 K:D
>70% winrate

>b-b-but its not OP

>play jets
>its nothing but flying fast in a straight line and always knowing where the enemy is thanks to nametags

Why do people play this again? I really understand why people keep on spamming bombers to shit up jets even more

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>>154743959
))

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What's with the strikethrough circle thing on the radar dish?

>>154744951

"No jews and/or dogs and/or commies allowed"

>>154744951
they dont implement radar so maybe thats a hint at that

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>>154744951

>>154744696
>its nothing but flying fast in a straight line
It's not, though. Get good.

>>154744838

Needs flip up headlights

>>154745282
maybe in the future, for now I guess it's a lenin

>>154745050
but they do
it's called leading markers and nametags

>>154744951
Literally don't tread on me.

>>154745476
>playing arcade
im not even meming at this point , i dont get arcade at all its not "good " arcade like WoT its just some weird mix that takes the weaknesses of realistic agmes and arcade games and puts them in one mode

>>154744696
stop flying migs and sabres and fly 7.0 jets if you want more left and right than up and down

Where is this game heading in the long term?
The population has stagnated for years.

>>154745708
I never said anything about arcade
I said that SPAAGs with radar get plane nametags and leading markers in RB

>>154745708
Your rant is completely irrelevant. In case you really are that stupid, he's saying to implement arcade systems for vehicles equipped with the appropriate tracking computers and radars.

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>>154745750
I saw over 50k on a couple nights ago. The problem is that probably 10k of those are using ESP in tanks.

>>154745826
its not really a rant i see that people enjoy it and thats okay but i dont understand why they enjoy it
>>154745798
i thought thats just a rumor
didnt one of of the WT mods answer to a devblog and said the radar will be only decorative?

>>154745990
Holy FUCK dude, we're making suggestions about what they COULD do.

>>154745990
forgot to say that the mod comment wasnt under the gepard iirc it might be the shilka or VADS

Does setting bomb fuse to 0s in the options menu really bring back the old style instant bomb fuse?

>>154746106
that means you are talking out of your ass got it

>>154746190
You do realize that SPAAs used to have lead markers in RBGF as recently as American tanks, right?

>>154746178
Assault fuse is now 1,5 secs after drop so its already good enough for suiciding (because thats what bombing this close to the ground where 1,5 secs matter will do to you)

>>154746262
im only playing since 3 weeks before that i took a 5 month break so idk what happened in that time

>>154744951
To stay away from radar if it's working.

>>154746464
Oh yeah, wasn't there some rumor about the MiG-31's radar being deadly to walk in front of while it's on?

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y-yay?

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BV 238

>>154747230
>premium

>>154747230
Does someone sit in those wing turrets?

>>154747230

12 x Mg131s at the 6 o clock.
4 x Mg 131 frontally
2 x Mg 151/20 on top

fucking END IT

They're giving it a gimped bomb load though.

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I just realized that there are German premiums of the T-34 and KV-2.

>>154747230
>blohm & voss
B A S E D
>>154747589
you know it
this and TB-3 will be the only planes with wing gunners in the game, right?

>>154747230
>mg131s
Dropped

He177 when?

>>154747230
Another meme plane that the retards can cream themselves over instead of mass produced and widely used planes.

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>>154747708
And a russian premium of the panther

>>154747743
>Dropped

There's 16 of them
and 2 MG151/20s

you could kill planes by weighing them down in the inert shit 13.2mm shells with that volume

>>154747758
I knew that, I have one.

>>154735992

Get the Premium Tiger. Its faster, memebounce turret sides and you'll get more SL to alleviate the shitty returns from Ground Forces.

Forget about the Heavy Tank Line, grind through the SPAA and Open Top TD line, and the Medium Tank Line. Maybe Talisman the Leopard when you get it.

Kanonenjadgpanzer isn't that good. 105 and Maus aren't worth it. Jadgtiger is alright but you're better off ignoring it and get bettet things like the ATGM, the Leopard and the SPAA line done so next patch you can work on the new tanks.

>>154747230
Aw shiet. It's something that could give the Germans something to look forw-

>Premium
>Nerfed bombload
Oh, it just turned cancerous. How sad.

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>>154747230
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>154747301
I'm still fucking buying it for novelty purposes, fuck you
>>154747714
Pe-8 has engine gunners

>>154737189

Make SPAA only be able to spawn if there are Player Controlled Planes in the air. Make the cost of SPAA depending on effectiveness against tanks to around 150-200 SP depending.

That would get rid of players starting off in SPAA, running to the cap and/or killing players early on the game and quickly getting on a fighter/bomber after death.

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>>154748418
>Make the cost of SPAA depending on effectiveness against tanks to around 150-200 SP depending.

>>154748186
thanks but i dont plan to buy a package in the next time (just bought Wyvern STrv and T29) and the prem one isnt worth the price compared to 2k GE for a talisman on the normal i think

and yeah planned to go down RakJaPa line and Meds (maybe SPAAGs) but idk yet

>its a "sheridan hides in the corner and missiles away" episode
wew laddies

>>154748827
it's dumb, but at least he lacks bouncetastic armor and immortal ammoracks, and has to emerge to fire

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>>154747230
> It was intended that the aircraft would be capable of carrying a massive bomb load. However, for game balance purposes, the player will have several options for bomb loads of up to 5 tons.

>>154748418
Why not just limit the amount of AP ammo they can carry?

Why not just give AP ammo in mixed belts with very little AP and High amount of HE

>>154748730

>Talisman Tiger II H
>Get Kugelblitz if you haven't already.
>Get Panther II.
>Now you have a decent 6.7 Lineup.
>Clear the Open Top TD line, then finish up the Medium Tank Line and do the SPAA(Coelian isn't that useful so you can just wait to do it when the Gepard comes out to do it after you get the new Leopard).

If I hadn't cleared the German Tree, that's how I would do it.

>>154749060
because it's not historically accurate

>>154733018
abloo abloo

>>154749176
>SPAA guns carrying 100% AP belts is historicaly accurate
>Gaijin carrying about Historical Accuracy

>>154749060
Because that doesnt fix anything.

A ZSU-57 can kill tanks in 1-2 shits if it ains right

>>154734914
Type 10 :
APDS-T Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot Tracer. Swiss design, designated TLD-038. The penetrator has a weight of 294 grams and is made of tungsten carbide. Vo:1385m/s
It penetrates a 100 mm block at 90 degr. at 1000 mtrs., or a 40 mm thick steel plate at 30 degr. from horizontal at 1000 mtrs.

Type 11 :
APDS-T Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot Tracer. German design by Rheinmetal, specially designed against the Hind helicopter. Project was cancelled at the end of the cold war. No further info available.

Type 12 :
FAPDS-T , Frangible Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot- Tracer, Same as the APDS, exept for the fact that the penetrator breaks to small pieces after penetration, fanning out in a cone shaped cloud of debris. Especially meant for anti misile use.
The 35x228 mm FAPDS-T on trials penetrated 2 steel plates, 10 and 30 mm (with 60 mm of free space between both), angle 45° and range 2000 mtrs.

Type 13 :
FPDS , Frangible Piercing Discarding Sabot, experimental. Many experiments were carried out with different shapes of windshield and/or projectile body. No further info available.

Type 14 :
APFSDS-T, Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot- Tracer. Fires a dart shape formed projectile. Rheinmetal experimental design.
The 35x228mm APFSDS-T (388g penetrator at1417m/s) is stated to penetrate 120 mm @90 degr @1000 mtrs.

>>154749252
>>SPAA guns carrying 100% AP belts is historicaly accurate

except it is, in the case of the SPAAs we're getting this patch

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>been away several months
>come back to the news that pic related is finally being added
My dick is the hardest thing in the universe right now lads.

>>154749060

The problems with SPAA extends a lot more than just with the Belts they have. Their cost and accesability during the match also need to be tweak. Changing Belts up doesn't change someone starting in a ZSU-57 or a M42 and rushing through the flanks to either cap or get players from the side.

Even with 1 AP/HVAP Round every 4 shots or 40 Rounds per Belt it only takes 1 to ignite the ammo or fuel tank and kill you. Given how fast they fire, changing Belts would only mean Russian Tanks and some of the other Nations Heavies will be safe from SPAA.

>>154749363
Germans getting their experimental star destroyer ammo is pretty much a guarantee.
Reminds me of the Kugelblitz days.

>>154749498
It would've been great had it come three years ago.
Or if it wasn't placed on top of the shittiest jet grind in the game.

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>>154749797
I already have everything in the US Navy line so grinding through panthers won't be a problem

>>154748946
>posted as I bounce APFSDS going at 1600m/s off his mildly sloped ALUMINUM ARMOR

>>154750831
Its a T-62 fag crying again episoxe

I'm a tier 1 planes newfag trying to git gud at zoom and boom
Any good advice, what targets to pick, what ranges should I be engaging from?
What should I be doing to make more of my hits become kills before I have to peel off and ascend again

>>154750939
>ad hominem
>anything bad happening to a slav is okay but not to me episode

>>154750945
dont boom and zoom in tier 1

>>154750945
Guns in tier 1 planes aren't suited for Boom and Zoom. BnZ requires big, hard-hitting cannons that will vaporize the enemy in one pass, which tier 1 machine guns won't do.

>>154749771
Is that why Tiger H1 doesn't get APCR, while T-34s get APCR from the 50s?
Is that why German WW2 ACPR only has 85% of its irl pen to fight Carnavorns, T-29s, T-44s and STRV-81s, while others get 100+%?
Is that why Jagdtiger didn't get its APCR shell?

Nys you deluded twat.

>>154751153
>>154751356
It's going better for me than just getting involved in dogfights atm, but I'm getting like 4 kills at best a game, just not dying
What should I do when it becomes viable then?

>>154750945
Don't listen to them.
>>154751356
>>154751153

If you want to boom and zoom efficiently pick a monoplane. Biplanes lose most of their energy picked up during a boom.
Pick a target that is currently distracted, for example shooting your friend or is in a turnfight.
Try to aim and lead for the cockpit of the plane, almost all of them are open and unprotected so even 2x rifle caliber MG's can make short work of a pilot.
Start shooting at 300m if he hasn't noticed you yet, if you got wing guns put your convergence at 250m.

>>154751050
Looks like i hit a soft spot

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>>154751356
How fo clap 50s boom and zoom then?

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>when a Horten goes full vertical chasing a friendly and he stalls so hard you can snipe the pilot from 1.5 km out

Anyone else can't log in right now?

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>KTH
>hit a T-44-100 square on the front of the hull at 50 meters
>bounce
>hit him at 10 meters on the side of the turret
>bounce
>he teleports behind me and I explode

>>154751408
>T-34s get APCR from the 50s?
85 mm 365 series is WW2
it's 367 series that is post-war production

>German WW2 ACPR only has 85% of its irl pen
Different measuring systems. Figures for all nations use 50/50 standard, but there's catch in what ammunition was used:
Soviets and Americans (not sure bout British) used series production ammunition straight out of factory packaging.
Germans used selected ammunition. Ammunition that would deviate in any noticebale way (mass, shape, dimension) would be rejected from test, even if it was within acceptable production standards.

In case of American tests, bottom quality ammunition could have down to 25% worse perfomance than top quality ammunition, and difference is represented by -/+ 12% error margin that follows measured penetration.
In case of German tests only top quality ammunition was used, so average results are lowered down by same factor, to represent average quality ammunitiojn used by German troopers.

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i just want a single 10k RP match ; - ;

>>154751435
Trash u r

>>154752790
Forgetting the fact that German testing criteria was even stricter then the soviet one, who was way stricter then both the US and British testing criteria

All penetration ingame folows the American/british criteria.

Oh and all APCR is indeed underperforming in penetration, just like most post war APDS rounds are in ALL nations.

>>154752825
I can't remember the last time I had 10k RP without premium account/premium vehicle

>>154752825
Fuck you, I'm here in my normal shit getting like 1600rp for 4 kills.

>>154752825
play planes
you can pull 10k even in arcade

>>154752825

Never ever, they'll keep dropping the RP average by 100 every major patch while they keep pushing more Tier IV Premiums as they keep making Tier V have more Tanks. I remember back in September last year, with a Talisman Panther II, I could clear 10k easily provided I got plenty kills and caps.

Mark my words, by this time next year you'll barely be scrapping 8k RP.

>>154753369
>All penetration ingame folows the American/british criteria.
Aye, this is why everyone's else results must be converted to US/UK standards, taking all differences into account. Here's where WW2 Ballsitcs and Gunnery comes into play.
Of course ww2 data don't cover post-war ammunition, and thse gaijin often calculates on their own.
Then Gaijin adds formula to calculate distance and angling effects using their in-house standards, that by all means are hardly more than rule of thumb. More or less accurate, but rarely same as reality

>>154752825
Tu-4 press spacebar on bases, ez 10k RP.

>>154754204
i know .. i can get 15k RP in RB easy with my A7 but im talking Ground forces RB

Do you think Gaijin will add in AC 130s?

>>154737189
>ASU-57 is a hyuuge problem and I literally cannot do anything at all ever against in my KT

Introduction date should only matter in Sim, realistic MM should be determined purely by armament, protection, mobility, and profile, in that order.

>>154754805
Well thats gaijin nerfed apcr penetration simply because it was to close to the underperforming apds penetration (who had the same modifier then apcr for some reason lol).

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>>154755326
right after helicopters

>>154755487
>hurr durr lets just ignore you because slavs have a few cherry picked handhelds that are lower tier

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>>154752825

>>154755487
Its a problem if a asu-57 gets too close because KT cant depress the gun down enough to kill it.

>>154755835
Cold war lights and SPGs universally get pooped on by cold war MBTs and heavies, with the exception of outliers like the Sheridan.

>>154755896
yay you made it in air EC want a cookie? i dare you to try it in ground battles RB

>>154752056
MOOOOOOOOOT

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>>154756213
Oh yea tough guy?

>>154756021
Yeah and Historically SPAAG aren't supposed to be tank destroyer crack squads flanking but they are in WT

>>154740107
>Falcon has 69 mm pen at 1000 m with APDS
>110 mm at 10 m

>Gepard has 90 mm pen at 1000 m with APDS

>meanwhile VADS "will, however, be able to protect itself from other SPAAGs and light, reconnaissance tanks."
>implying nations other than the US have light tanks at that BR
>doesn't even say it can pen the leo
>also says VADS is less good at killing planes because shit effective range

Wow, I sure am smelling the balance already!

>>154756803
So you're saying that game mechanics make true historical accuracy impossible, so the game should instead strive for balance in all but the most autistic of game modes?

>>154757020
Are you really calling Sim autistic?

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>>154743098
aced and spaded T92

https://aww.moe/v15pq9.webm

>>154757129
Events are not the main game mode this game is designed for. Muh realism isn't necessarily bad but belongs in the right place.

>>154757252
>nametags always on

nice hacks Lohere!

>>154757439
how would you know it's me wo them famalam

>>154757349
Arcade toddlers need to go back to /wotg/.

>>154757252
Nice hacks as always.
What's that song in the background though?

>>154757541
You've posted this clip before, friend)))

>>154756245
who?

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>>154752056
>when a horten goes headon with your nearly stock AD-2 and loses

>>154758029
>when blogput still plays this game

>>154751914
Exactly what happened when you where dropped on your head.

>>154756843
AZPs quickly overheat, so crews are trained to fire in up to 12 rounds bursts. No one but sandniggers go through whole 50 round belts in one go.

...oh wait, there's no overheat in GF

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Pls buff japs(((((

>>154758029
Hortens have absolutely shit guns. The definition of buckshot.
Head ons are just clicking and rolling the dice.

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>>154758591
as long as you're playing the right nation ))))))))))))

>>154759090
so why do it

>>154759301
Because even being on someone's tail doesn't mean you can shoot them at all.
And people are dumb.

>>154744560
Maybe because Japanese pilots aren't retarded as much as typical USA nigger, turn fighting everything they see in their jets and props.

>>154759739
maybe because e-z modo planes that let them win turnfighting everything in their jets and props

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>unlocked all US prop fighters and attackers
>no interest in jets
>dump RP into bombers
>have all but B-29 already
so okay, I have them. What now? How one properly bombershit and ruins other people's fun?

>>154759853
bnz is vastly superior to turnfighting

if every american pilot had more than half a brain cell and actually knew how to use their planes they'd win every time

>>154759853
>e-z mode because Japanese plans turn better
You realise high yo yo negate any turn advantage? But what am I expecting from a USA pilot. That involve too much thinking.

How do you play on Volokolamsk? I don't fucking understand that map at all.

>>154759853
>>154759739
>>154759957
there are no national identities, all nations are equally retarded, and some planes are more fit for retards
this is how the entire game works
the a6m5 is criminally overtiered, and the p47 is criminally undertiered
the average jap player wouldn't do well with the p47, and the average clap player would do well in the a6m5

>>154759957
>bnz
>when everything outclimbs you

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>Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard

>>154760202
The only plane that climbs poorly is F4u. Every other USA plane can easily match or out climb most Japan planes, except maybe Ki-84 and N1K.

>>154760147
well, I suppose that's why Soviet planes dominate in arcade

>>154760202
There's also thing called roll rate, you can use it to force overshoot considering most Japan planed block when you fly higher then 450 kph.

Another thing is called side climbing.

>>154760362
basically, only in arcade guns are valued way higher
you can easily take the cannon chaika or hispano p51 into late tier iv games and dominate

GERMAN BIAS IS CONSTANT AND SHARP

THIS IS A FACT

>>154760202
how exactly is a zero that can out-climb and out-turn me a threat if he literally can't catch me at all

>>154760537
You know what else is constant and sharp? my dick in your mom's ass, nerd

ok, the power creep is seriously getting out of hand now.

B-52 when?

>>154760289
Anti-aircraft cannon tank cheetah
for you anglos

>>154759897
You can't except for a very few bombers that can end games early.

>>154747683
Gimped, yes. Still 5 tons though...

>>154760489
arcade is weird
In one jet battle (quenes are even longer than in T5 RB!) some bong player had one jet, and rest of deck Spitfires. He ended up top-scoring player, with 16 kills.

>>154752056
It was a trick!

>>154760134
Help

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>tfw you fell for the high level vehicles meme

it isn't fun at all i am going back to tier 3

>>154761187
escape > return to hangar > yes
unless you're speaking about the large variant, in which case you just need to get good

>>154760335
>corsairs climb like shit
>hellcat climbs like shit
>thunderbolts climb like shit
>mustangs climb like shit until D-30
>twin engine fighters ever

>zero climbs like shit but turnfights on the deck like a pro
>Ki-43-III climbs great
>J2M climbs great
>Ki-84 climbs great
>N1K climbs great
>even Ki-102 climbs great and is rated for low alt so you don't have to
>plus le army air start on carrier maps meme

>>154761305
sub BR 4.0 plane RB is the most fun

>>154761305
>tfw you fell for the War Thunder meme
Four years of my life I will never get back.

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>>154761305
>being shit
uninstall please.

>>154761305
>I can't point and click and club things waaaa

>>154761315
How do I know which one is which? I get the same one over and over and every time there's niggers shooting me from behind forests.

>>154760973
>arcade domination
>spawn in A-20 to cap left airport
>after capping go after GTs for some free XP, waitng for someone to kill me
>end up with 7 air kills, 2 from gunners, and 5 with front firing guns

goddamn the AD 2 is shit the HVARs are so far spread i dont hit shit

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you know a plane is hardcore when it has fucking quad machine gun turrets in the wings

>>154761512
Knock your convergence out to 800.

>>154761604
Don't forget bomb bays inside wings.

>>154761396
>>154761438
Leave DI0 alone

>>154761604
Is there a little Hans and Fritz living in the wings manning the turret?

>>154762019
What, you think this is a worthwhile plane with remote control turrets or something? No way, something that powerful would have to be tiered so it fights jets all day!

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Why can't the Cougar come with this skin

>>154762162
Go back to call of duty

>>154762162
because tribals are FUKN SWEET

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>implying this won't be the first skin made for the f9f-8

>>154762162
>I want to fly a target drone

>>154762234
T. Railertrash

>>154761438
>>154761396
But hightier is the onehit trash you cockgobbling turbotoddlers

>>154762513
>posted from my leopard

>Ash River
>T-44-100 teleports behind me
>Volokolamsk
>T-44-100 teleports behind me
>Poland
>T-44-100 teleports behind me
>Fields of Normandy
>T-44-100 teleports behind me


Fucking help

I can't fucking do anything without getting shot from behind even 5 minutes into the match

>>154761353
3.7 is almost perfect BR, with variety of planes that fall into it
>Bf 109 F-4 and G-2
>Fw 190 A-1 and A-4
>Spitfire Mk.V and Mk.IX
>Typhoon Mk.Ib
>A6M2 and A6M3
>Ki-61 and Ki-100
>F6F
>P-38J
>P-47D
>P-63A-5 and A-10
>PBJ

>>154762675
what BR and what nation

>>154761339
>P-38 out climb everything
>hellcat holds steady 20 m/s
>p-47 still climbs slightly better then Corsair
Keep on looking for excuses you shitter

>>154762889
6.7 Germany

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>>154762487
been there, done that

>>154762426
That'll be 600 GE
>>154762927
S H I T T E R

H

I

T

T

E

R

>>154762927
Rb or AB?

>>154762890
Yeah, the P-38 climbs, but you can't roll for shit, and the P-47 only beats the corsair because of the airstart meme

>>154762701
109 F-4 is one of the most undertiered vehicles in the entire game

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"listen m8, the leo 1 is the best tank in the game stop complaining"

>>154763091
>can't roll
Are you fucking retarded? It have very high roll rate and once you drop flaps it turns into meme.

>>154763278
Found the mad shitter slavboo that tried playing naziboo tanks

>>154763329
The one with boosters can roll, but it's tiered too highly to be useful.

>>154763062
RB

>>154763358
>zsu 57
>t62
>it-1
>il-28
>tu-4

endgame is fine, +1004055680GE tovarish :)))))

>>154763492
All others also can, unless you try to dive vertically with WEP.

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Am I doing it right?

>>154763572
>ZSU-57
>not ZSU-23-4

))

>>154763572
Wow, naziboo, i must be really hard for you to kill tanks in your horten.

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>>154763118
true, it gave me my best moment of glory, when was being chased by squad made of a Spitfire and 2 P-63s, and ended up killing all 3 of them
>tfw after battle they sent me pm with congratulations

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>>154763503
play on ultra slav and learn the routes of the slavshitters its usually always the same you cn also add me and i can watch your rear :^)))) __Reichtangle__

>>154763750
no, you should've use Tu-4

>>154763950
Putin Tax )))))

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>stop playing WT
>friend links me a devblog about some cool ass german bomber
>its premium

>>154764135
>sunderland comes out
>its not premium
>its low tier
I couldnt have been happier

>>154763812
against tu-4 spam you win 1 in 4 games because you cant even go to these shitters unless youre a hunter or komet, cant even kill them with 20mm and even if you try to save your base from the bombers their jets will defend them

and the worst is the it-1
can't shoot the rocket, even if you manage to shoot the rocket RED while its still attached he can still fire it no problem, and since its on top all the it-1 needs to do is hide in a ditch and play point and click adventure all game long.
Say you managed to flank him, its still a t54 and good luck if you dont have the DM12 ammo because it takes an average of 3 hits to murder it from any side because lolrocketammodoesntexplode.gaijew and it will take the time to fuck you up or call its allies

11/10 for making me reply

>>154764246
>waahhhh tu-4 spam

which fights 9.0s 90% of the time and gets dunked on by them, especially in larger maps such as spain

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I can see my house from here!

>>154764227
Almost 80 Sunderlands were built. Only one of that Blohm n Voss thingy existed. So of course the Sunderland isn't premium.

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>>154764313
>look at me justifying the tu-4 cancer because im shit and dont even have a jet that could kill it so i dont know how op my bomber is because banshees are mean to me on spain

fuck you
right in the pussy

>>154764442
>Almost 80
800*

>>154764440
Kill yourself

>>154762981
>not knowing the difference between drone and a target tug

>>154764456
>literally posted from my F2H Klingon Bird of Prey

>>154759853
t. a faggot who tried to outturn an N1K2 in his P-80

>>154764765
You had a reason to complain about the F2H when it was 6.7 or 7.0. But not when it's 8.0 and it fights things like the La-15 and the Meteor F4 SW. It's balanced now.

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>>154764716
it's kinda easy to confuse

>>154764440
>Imperial

>>154764765
dont even have an F2H
nice try though
still 20mm arent enough to murder tu-4s that will blast you out of the sky at 2.3km

>>154765004
>tu-4s that will blast you out of the sky at 2.3km
>implying this ever happens

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>>154765056

>tfw no alternate history map to club weebs as a naziboo

>>154765160
literally provide evidence that a tu-4 shot you down from 2.3km out

>>154736295
Generic shitbox but better than the Panther. 30 seconds of WEP, top speed close to a MiG-15 but probably lacks the climb rate and acceleration.

>>154765692
>top speed close to a MiG-15
it's literally the fastest top speed plane in the game

>>154764246
>its still a t54
No, it's a t-62.

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y-yay

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What?! Why the fuck did we lose????

>>154765182
Fuck off. Alt history krymsk and hokkaido are fucking stupid and we don't need more of it.

>>154740981
Its sounds shitty though it has literally no low end.

>>154765790
Only in a steep dive. In level flight a MiG-15bis outruns it.

>>154766135
what's wrong with those maps?

>>154766040
Time ran out

>>154766217
Allies shouldn't fight allies outside of arcade.

>>154766135
found the braindead weeb with the e-z mode burger/bong clubbing

>>154749049
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAAAAHAHAHAAHAAHAA STAY MAD WHERANIGGERS. Glad to see its premium and nerfed. Fucking niggers.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/52si7y/im_done_with_this_pos_subreddit/

>>154766441
>posted from my spitfire ezmode on hokkaido
>posted from my yak ezmode on krymsk
>posted from my Bf 109 ezmode on ruhr

>>154766656
wow it's as if every nation in war thunder has easy and difficult matchups and vehicles

>>154766720
wow it's as if every nation has it easy clubbing burgers because the pilots can't be assed to play to the strengths of their planes

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>tfw want full cockpit only mode
>tfw hate simulation mode

>>154766816
>posted from my P-38E at 3.0
>posted from my P-47D at 3.7
>posted from my P-51D and P-47N at 4.7

>>154767058
>posted from my slow climbing Bf 109 G-2
>posted from my airfields 5 km apart