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It is now September. With the end of the summer months, The sallow season begins. Ros-fothar in the tongue of the Asrai, it is a time of waning. The Consort-King Orion weakens and rages against his fate, destined to be immolated on the pyre in the coming months. The forest undergoes a change of color from the vibrant hues of summer to more subdued and mottled shades of Autumn.

But if it is a time of waning, so too is it a time of harvest. The bounty of the forest hangs ripely, to be plucked effortlesly by the merry wanderers of its vales and meadows. How fitting, then, that in this, the first month of the season of harvest, the Wood Elves will make a bounteous gift of themselves, the latest and greatest of the factions to be released in Total War: Warhammer.

Wood Elves soon.

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>yfw

How do I beat multiplayer VC as Dwarfs? Gyro cheese?

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Genevieve Dieudonné legendary hero when?

>>154422832
>someone finally fixed the embed memery
Thank fuck

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There must be more to life

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7th for hussars

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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G O B L I N S

Dwarfs really need some buffs.

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>>154424125
I wonder if we can get hussars as a regiment of renown at the very least

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You can't spell Dawi without Zharr.

>>154424786
Dwarfs are shit. They need buffs and a spear or halberd unit.

They just aren't cost effective enough and they don't have counters to the shit every other army can field.

>>154425205
don't they just need mass? Then they can stop cav from rekking them

>>154425205
Dwarves just arent dwarfy in combat. I can charge a unit of thunderers with a wolf rider and the thunderers go fucking flying, it is ridiculous. They need a stubbornness buff aka more mass.

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OGRES
G
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S

So, where did this "Wood Elves are neets that have shota servants" meme came from?

Because I really like it

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>>154424125
>>154425071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWTX2NX8_MA
>tfw playing kislev

>CA nerf every single faction out there
>but VC
>VC gets buffs
>Gets new troops
>VC gets a new fucking start pos
>Gets vlad, a lord that shouldn't even be fucking alive unless it meant that nagash is also around.

I am sick of this undead love

N I N E T E E N D A Y S

>>154426337
>implying nagash event won't be part of the finale expac set after archaon falls or wins

>>154426337
They got the only sexy woman in game until wood elves.

>>154425205
Just add mass. Spears are heresy for stunties.

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>wood elves still not announced

>>154426235
Right from the Wood Elves Armybook.

>Those that enter through one of these strange gateways find themselves in a grand, beautiful cavern deep below the tree or hill. Roots can be seen far above, curving down from the roof of the hall to form elegant, interweaving pillars. Here, the Wood Elves make their homes, fine structures of ethereal beauty. Elegant lanterns adorn the hall filled with tiny, flitting, glowing figures. Here the Wood Elves feast and celebrate the natural cycles of the forest, holding grand banquets of woodland game and free-flowing, intoxicating Elven wines. The halls are alive with wild dancing, lilting laughter, and melodic music. Boy children taken from the lands around the forest, destined never to grow old, joyfully serve their graceful Elven masters.

>>154426579
Halberds are axes on a long stick.

>>154426337
Imagine playing against VC in a head to head campaign as well.

>>154426337
luminark >>>>>> new vamp units

One hit kills on corpse carts and lord sniping all fucking day. It's almost unfair.

>>154426235
It's a combination of actual lore and anime-vision™

Wood elves are stated to rarely leave their forest abodes.

Canon is that they kidnap all magic-attuned children in Brettonia. The girls reappear as damsels. The boys..... I don't think it's actually stated.

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>>154426705

>>154426705

kek
So basically they are hedonists that have an entire population of shotas?

Jesus I bet there is a lot of gay and shota orgies in those woods.

Its practically greece all over again

Truly, a place that should be burned down.

>>154427159

This. Cleanse elven degenerate filth.

>>154424735
i fucking love you

I'll be the one to say it:

>lore
Vlad > Mannfred

>gameplay
Mannfred > Vlad

Vlad's siege attribute is literally meaningless.

Vanguard is nice but not as good as Mannfred's expanded magic and and dragon mount.

>>154427856
I feel like it would work better if you could upgrade it, like decreased holdout time, more siege tools, some army wide buff for attempting an instant siege; shit like that

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>tfw your marry band of merry adventures run into the BBEG to early

>>154422832
Would anyone be down for a game of 1212ad in say...an hour ?

I'll host the match and all.

I'll probably call it /twg/1212ad

So og

>>154428680

His siege thing is army-wide. You can literally send zombies to break down gates. This sounds neat until you realize that Mannfred starts with one of those giant siege bat things which os 10 times better at it.

Negating this entire advantage.

>>154429074
Oh huh, I thought it was just the one turn siege attempt instead of having to wait a turn for equipment before you get actual siege units.

>>154426337
>new start pos
?

>>154429074
Any unit can attack gates, vlad has nothing to do with that.swordsmen can actually take out the gates before the ram even gets there, it is pretty silly.

>>154429381
That is exactly what it is.

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I just wanted to be comfy in the south dammit

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Bloody good shot mate!

>>154430513
Damn, did the greens declare war on you immediately? I wanted to do the same thing with the counts, let the empire simmer while I take all the southern realms.

I just started a new campaign as greenskins and can't recruit Savage Orcs. Why this fucking company keeps cutting off important stuff from the game?

Guess I'll have to pay for a fucking DLC to get Savage Orcs. What a fucking shit game sold by pieces. FUCK.

I wonder what unit sizes Wood Elves will be looking at?

Assuming the Dwarfs are the standard for elite costly races, we'll have things like 75 for a standard unit or 60 elves in a Wardancer unit.

75 is a very small number for a spear unit though, so I wonder if Eternal Guard will be alright. Especially since I can't imagine elves having that much mass.

Treekin will definitely be nine to a group, but how many would a Dryad get?

A really fragile race with a low model count sounds like a lot of fun.

>>154429772

Oh, I thought that was a Vlad thing. But then what good is he?

I felt his ring could have really saved him and made him worth picking over Mannfred, but it just doesn't do enough to be any actual use.

It's not a battle-turning relic in any sense.

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>>154430712
I had a little time, I swept that first chunk of land in 2 turns after the orcs had very kindly razed both settlements, as I was about to finish off BP they declared war. Granted i'm on vh and bribed the dwarfs to fuckoff just before I snatched akendorf

@154430808
Good bait

>>154430712
You they anon that wanted just Ghorst, Kemmler, and a Strigoi king right?

Where you going to burn down slyvannia or keep it?

>>154430860

The most elite army in Warhammer is High Elven.

So they can't shoot themselves in the foot when they introduce high elves, it will likely be 75 aswell for wood elves so they can do a specially small unit for the high elves later on

>>154430860
What does a dryad do? Calvary or Archer thing?
I don't know warhammer

>>154431238
No that wasn't me you cuck. My plan is to take sylvania for a bread basket, then bribe the neighboring factions while corruption them like a good plotting vampire while I go south.

>>154431334
Melee monsters.

>>154431334
Dryads are fairly tough infantry while not being monstrous infantry. They are a Wood Elf troop choice that can actually take hits and not die immediately.

They are somewhat equivalent to Ghouls or Orc Big 'Uns in terms of strength and statline.

Okay fuck me guys this Empire legendary Campaign has been so much fun. I've played Dwarfs, Chaos and Vamps but Empire is without a doubt my favorite faction.
That pike and shot gameplay coupled with OP arty and fucking Zweihanders, wizards, special OP agents and arty is so much fun.

Hellstorm rockets are without a doubt my favorite unit in the game

Dumb question, but can spear units in Total Warhammer attack in multiple ranks? Is a square formation viable?

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>>154431073
What a beautiful day to die

>>154431629
Hellstorms are the shit

>>154431746

>spear units in Total Warhammer attack in multiple ranks?
No that I know.

>Is a square formation viable?
There's a mod that brings battle formations from Attila and R2 into TWW.

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>>154431629
>Hellstorm rockets are without a doubt my favorite unit in the game
post yfw using the sunmaker for the first time

>>154433163
If they don't fight in ranks though, a square formation doesn't seem like it has a point.

>>154430808
if this isnt bait
go claim the southern badlands
there is a unique building chain

>>154433482
it can't be flanked.
higher defense.

>>154433163
Care to link it? I'm having trouble finding it on the workshop

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>>154432428
Fucking Orcs

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>>154427159
>>154427287
Stay jealous, beastshitters.

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>>154434127

>>154431629
My nigga.

Pike and Shot for the rest of time. The Empire holding the line against the tide of evil

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>>154433384
Kek did you save that from the last thread?

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>>154434127
>goblins

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>>154434934
>local goblin gets bullied
>abandons entire army instead of getting help

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>>154435493
They hid about half a dozen fleeing units in the same woods I used to sneak behind them and attacked just as I had to pivot my line to deal with the second army.
Crafty little bastards I'll give'm that

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>>154437212
Not even close

whats the best overhaul mod for Attila? The AI never settles razed areas.

>>154438657
Radious of course.

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>>154431629
>bike und scheiss

wow... i'm getting... excited... just.... th-zzzzZZzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ

What total war would allow me to play with hussars? Empire?

Why can't I seem to git gud at dwarfs? Greenfags fall easily enough until they bring out the Doom Divers, but Vampire Cunts are a tough match.

One of those giant bats or Blood Knights completely delete anything I can field.

>>154443305
Vargheists are super squishy. If you focus fire some quarrelers on them they will melt. If you mean Therrorgheists, those are pretty tanky, but aren't really cost-effective agains dorfs since they're anti-large, ignoring them may be an option.

BKs are really strong, try to kill them with cannons before they can touch you.

>>154443305
Dwarfs are probably one of the weakest armies at the moment.

Cavalry throws them around, their infantry gets squished by most comparable units, their best units are too expensive to be cost effective, they have zero cavalry or counters to cavalry, no magic, gyrocopters are ridiculously weak (seriously they get chewed up by bats), and their flame units are absolutely useless.

For a faction that's supposed to turtle their defensive capabilities are absolute shit and their offensive capabilities are just too expensive to make an army of.

They need a serious overhaul. Unless you're up against a retard, you're going to lose to Vamps and Empire 9 out of 10 times.

>>154446245
>Dwarfs
>Weak

Pick one

>>154442938
Medieval 2, stainless steel 6.4, start in the late period as Poland, and go into the notebook editor and bring down the gunpowder age availability. The only issue is that it can be a rather big pain to install due to it being broken up into torrents.

Although to be honest the most fun game mode with that mod is starting in 1100 A.D. playing as the Khwarizmi Dynasty on the far east part of the map, because approximately 100 turns later, an extremely powerful Mongolian horde comes in to humble you, followed very shortly thereafter a almost as big Timurid invasion with Elephant cannons, rockets, and Kataphract Horse archers that are somehow just as fast as your light cavalry.

>Conquer most of the middle east until you get stopped by endless waves of Mamluk's pushing up from the south in Syria and from the North by the rather powerful Byzantine army.
>Boom economy
>Start building these huge armies
>Think you're prepared...
>Mongols invade
>Your fully stacked citadels are a mere speedbump to them

Its a fun experience.

>>154446245

The fact that you are shit while playing with Dwarves, doesn't mean they are weak.

git gud and l2p.

>>154446714
Not an argument

>>154448092
Either contradict my points or ad hom your ass out of the conversation.

Dwarfs as it stands need a buff. Their units when compared to other armies, especially VC and Empire, lack versatility and stability.

If you're playing as dwarfs and you're not getting your ass kicked by those factions, you need to take off the training wheels.

>Average dwarf infantry loses to comparable infantry
>No cavalry or counter to cavalry, which every other faction has
>Ranged units can be destroyed by said cavalry as the dwarfs don't have enough mass to withstand a charge
>The only fast units are Gyrocopters which are weak enough to be removed by basic ranged or flying units
>Dwarf artillery can easily be disrupted by cavalry, flying units, magic/spawns

Again, if you're facing an actually competent opponent, dwarfs are going to struggle.

>>154427856
You're a faggot. Mannfred's a pussy, a badass orc or some demigryphs slap his shit around. A high level Vlad gives no fucks, dies to nothing, kills any lord in the game besides Grimgor, and is Sonic fast on foot. Mannfred's death magic can be replicated by giving Vlad a waifu, who is both lore friendly and a good secondary leadership aura/caster. That said, the vamps in general are far more fun than the necromancer lords, legendary or not.

>ancient empires still not released

>>154449965
Just kill me already I don't think I can wait any longer

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Would you take the ride?

I cant stop the fucking varg and skaeling cunts on my empire hard campaign what the fuck is a good empire late game army comp?

(X) Delete all skirmisher cav
(X) Delete all doggos

>>154451837
(X) delete all noobs

>>154450489
The ride never ends

>>154451837
>laughing_norscans.jpg

I need a laughing whores edit with Surtha and Felman.

>>154451837

(X) Delete all fags that don't use the fixed AI recruitment mod

>>154425612
U N G O R S

>>154423416
the hugbox may work (warning: free tears)

1xLord (hidden with the ironbreakers in a forest)
3xIronbreakers (hide them in a forest)
restxGyrocopters (Brimstone Guns)

You either drop multiplayer or play long enough to become a faggot

>>154426337
>a lord that shouldn't even be fucking alive unless it meant that nagash is also around.
Nagash will most likely be in the game

>>154455326
pff, who cares, Nagash is weak!

>>154442938
If Kislev ever gets added...
Or when actual mod support is released

I'm no longer sure on which one is the most likely to happen

>>154449651
>Average dwarf infantry loses to comparable infantry
The buffs the AI gets in campaign are pure bullshit, dwarf infantry shits all over any other faction's in normal circumstances, tought infantry is not one of the dwarf's problem

Tbqh, dwarfs need two things, more mass (even in lore, one of the reasons dwarf cavalry is not a thing is because they are overweight as fuck, on top of wearing heavy armor as the stadndard)
And the ability for handgunners to shoot cavalry over your infantry

>>154452524
got pics of Surtha and Felman? can't play Warhams at the moment

>leave postive review on steam
>8 of 18 people (44%) found this review helpful

Why the fuck do these salty ass faggots even play if all they're going to do is whine about shit?

Is the fucking fagget that said the empire very hard campaign was easy go fuck yourself lying fucking cunt

>>154455869
He's right though, setting aside campaign and just looking at MP, Dwarfs struggle to compete with the efficiency of units like Greatswords or Black Orcs. Dwarf melee units hold for a long time but deal less damage than they should. Enemy elite anti-armor infantry always give you problems, while Dwarf elite infantry (Hammerers, Irondrakes) are almost a liability.

Mass and firing at large over your infantry (Can dwarfs not already do this? I know they can fire at things that are chariot-sized with no problem) would go some of the way to helping dwarfs, but their melee infantry still isnt quite where it should be. The basic dwarf warrior should actually be a pretty tough stunty, not someone greatswords can bully all day.

>Legendary bot VC zombies are about as strong as swordsmen

>>154456450
Empire very had is probably the hardest campaign you can play

>>154456450
>>154456502
>scrubs that rush and get rekt
the campaign is trivial if you take your time

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>>154434393
>beastfags
truly the worst

>>154457191
>the campaign is trivial if you take your time
Wow such insight you have giving there go fuck yourself

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Who's the best CA employee and why is it Nico?

>Not a Britbong
>Pure /fa/
>Doesn't play childrens tabletop games.
>Probably fucks Grace on the side.
>Joey wants some too.

How can Darren even compete?

>>154458848
Whats his job?

>>154456476
Waif for dwarf unit pack dlc :^)

>>154459137
Senior Community Coordinator and lurker on the French TW forums.

>>154459154
Meming aside, what would they even add? Bolt-throwers and Rangers don't seem like they'd fix any problems Dwarfs have, and I can't think of anything else that is missing and would help unless the anvil of doom is going to be the centerpiece of the army.

>>154459194

>"Community" position

Into the trash

>>154459259
>Getting paid to do nothing by shitpost online.
>A bad thing.

>>154459228
>Bolt-throwers and Rangers don't seem like they'd fix any problems Dwarfs have
neither did the knights of the blazing sun and here they are :^), also, stealth archers
At least a dwarf lord should be included, fingers crossed for the runelord

>>154459524
I'm hoping it's Bugman

Factions in terms of power:
>VC
>Empire
>Chaos
>Greenskins
>Beastmen
>Dwarfs

The dwarfs are the only ones that either need a re-design or some heavy stat-changes.

Are there any mods out there that "fix" dwarfs? Like, not break them into overpoweredness but emphasize their strengths a little more than what is current?

>>154459703

>VC
>After healing nerf

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>>154459703

>Chaos
>Not bottom

>>154459740

You can still easily cheese the shit out of the healing, and despite it not giving as many 0-loss wins as it used to, it can still be milked pretty heavily.

>>154459786

Chaos just needs to survive to the end-game to turn into a powerhouse. Play conservative at first then snowball as fuck.

>>154459832

Ahhh you're talking about single player, lol who gives a fuck

>>154459903
>playing any TW for multiplayer, least of all the newest unbalanced mess

>>154459703
This looks like a pretty good ranking. The only dissent I have is that Greenskins are better than Chaos in my opinion. Chaos doesn't have as much flexibility, and Chaos Warriors/Chosen aren't that cost-efficient for troops.

Chaos pays out the nose for its good infantry, and Greenskins have access to solid infantry of their own along with great supporting lores, fast cav, poison, cheap infantry, and artillery choices.

>>154459703

>Beastmen
>That low in campaign

lol

Just bring more minotaurs faget.

The fact that you can lump all your hordes together indefinitely and have nothing you need to protect makes it borderline impossible to lose with them.

Also: Minotaurs

I used to play this with some weird mod that gave the Empire's mortar stupidly long range.

I think it had 800 or 850 or something and the big draw was that mortars could now stay safely out of tower-range and fire over walls.

It was amazingly fun, but I can't seem to find this mod for the life of me.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>154460035

There's no point in talking about balance when it comes to single player, I proved it when I posted my goblins only legendary campaign here months ago.

>>154460162
>goblins only legendary campaign
post it

>>154459703
Whats wrong with beastmen?

>>154460162
>G O B L I N S only legendary campaign
you madman

>>154460237

Don't have the screens anymore

>>154460272
Full of shit

>>154458221
turtle and confederate, the campaign is trivial, its the second easiest after the dwarfen one

>>154460321

Actually you just outed yourself as a newfag, since I've posted it for almost a week it was impossible to miss

Hello newfag

THEY HAVE WRONGED US

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>Vlad's voice

Mmm daddy

>>154425612
I'd love it if they gave OK this scale in-game. Compare that cannon to the current EGC model to get a sense of how fucking huge that ogre would be if ported 1:1. Bigger than a minotaur, that's for sure.

>>154460870
I like how they stuck to their guns and gave him the stereotypical Dracula voice. The lore has always said Vlad sounded like he was from Kislev.

Do orcs hate ogres? Wtf

>>154461586
You sound like an ogre who had an unpleasant interaction with an orc

>>154460627
Putting battle difficulty on easy doesn't count little guy

>>154461687
If I am an ogre then I have a giant bass canon plus some matches to fire this thing up. Your orcish shit and GOBLINS don't have a chance.

>>154461586
Why greenskins would like anyone that isn't sexless walking mushroom as themselves?

Is there any mod out there that boosts dwarfs a little? I swear, every update everyone but us grows a little stronger, and it's starting to get hard to keep up.

>>154460259
Bump

>>154462365

Not him, but if I was to guess, I bet a lot of people feel like Beastmen have it rough early on. Like Chaos, in that regard.

They're not weak though and definitely not as weak as that Anon rated them.

>>154462004

Gotrek LL fucking when?

Lords are not meant to get 2 skill points per level are they? Or is my game bugged?

>>154462532
Your game was hacked.

>>154462417

How will that help? Slayers are weak as fuck as it is, and you somehow think a lord of that caliber is going to turn the tide, despite fundamental problems like lack of mass and worse artillery than the Empire?`

As it stands right now, we're being beaten on numbers by the Greenskins, on endurance by Vampire Counts, on artillery AND flexibility by Empire and on infantry by Chaos. Hell even our tunneling thing is practically done as well or better by Beastmen.

>>154461740

Except battle difficulty is locked on legendary, you don't even know that

First week playing total war friend?

>>154462629

>implying Gotrek won't solo armies by himself

>>154462718

I feel that LLs only become really powerful one-man-armies if they get the right items.

Like, something good for regen and perhaps that terror-spreading weapon, as well as a nice ward-save armor.

And we don't need Gotrek for that, just luck.

>>154462629
well... what makes the Dwarfs good on tabletop?

>>154463374

Amazing artillery, unmatched elites that can break cavalry charges of the biggest monsters and masterwork crossbows that hit it's target a mile away.

We have mediocre artillery, easily matchable elites and not a single real counter to cavalry. Our bows are the best in the game, but they can't do their jobs if the dwarfs with the shields can't protect 'em.

And they can't.

If I were to balance them I'd say:
>better aiming for Grudge Thrower, but slower rate of fire
>more armor for elite units and make them waaay more steadfast against cavalry/monster charges
>make slayers the glass-cannons they're suppose to be
>make Gyros the strongest air-units in the game

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Swag daddy

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>>154463685
Not enough floppy hats.

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Wood Elves have the best casters in the Old World.

>>154464128

Fuck off

>>154464128

post the pasta

>>154463683

All that really NEEDS to change is making infantry more beefy, more health, more armor, more moral, and giving them more mass so they won't be overrun.

Hell they could totally survive a nerf too damage if they got those things.

>>154464128
Wood Elves have the worst memes in the Old World.

Did dwarves get nerfed to shit or something?

I completely shat all over everything in my dwarf campaign at release

>>154464584

Not so much that they were nerfed to shit, just that they haven't kept up with everyone else.

The other factions are getting new lords, new units, Units of Renown, small buffs and mechanic changes that constantly tighten the way they work.

Dwarfs just haven't gotten that.

It's almost lore in the sense that dwarfs stick to what works, but if you play dwarfs on the higher difficulties now you'll quickly begin to realize that a lot of the vanilla-stats and playstyles just don't work anymore.

>>154464584
It's really only glaring in multiplayer automatches. Dwarfs never had a good matchup vs VC, but the new units make it harder.

>>154464128
Worst Elves.

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>>154465574
Correct.

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>tfw just finished reading through most of the end times

Why did I think this was a good idea

>>154465820
End Times was good though.

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>>154465820
I hope you didn't spend money on them anon...

>>154463374
very reliable siege weapons (Empire's have the chance to blow off, dwarfen ones do so in extremely rare cases)
Cannons generally being OP as fuck (and having the cheapest ones)
Lords/heroes being murdermachines, even able to stand up to Vampires and Chaos
Cavalry in the tabletop being mostly underwhelming

>>154465880

for you

>>154465991
>Lords/heroes being murdermachines, even able to stand up to Vampires and Chaos
Ungrim was just about there on release, he's probably mid-tier now though with the power creep lol

>>154465880
I don't really like that kind "story progression" desu.

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The Chaos campaign is fucking awful. Just cleared it on legendary in ~3 hours and it's just a slog through Empire factions that immediately resettle whatever you raze. Empire armies are 75%+ free company/missile cavalry now.

0/10 would rather play Tokugawa

>>154466360
You better get that ai army comp mod.

>>154466360
>Plays vanilla
>Expects fun

no

>>154466405
>>154466604
I did have that mod, among many others for quality of life.

The world refused to change.

>>154466938
Did you start your campaign with it?

>>154467217
Si senor

Essential mods for Grand Campaign to make it better?

>>154466065
Dorfs will get a buff once their lord pack comes out in October/November

>>154467359
Weird.

Instead of allowing Skaven to build up forces in a city owned by another race in order to subvert it they will instead have a "Skaven tunnels" mechanic which will work almost exactly like vampiric corruption except it will require that there be provinces with a tunnel corruption level above 25% leading all the way back to the nearest skaven-owned city in order to work

And the skaven will have the ability to spawn an AI controlled army once the tunneling reaches 90%

>>154467441
Makes me wonder if free company are classified as a melee unit in the AI's recruitment programming.

>>154467580
I think so. Even so I only encountered 1 imperial army with like 5 free company. The rest were good army comps.

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>>154467580

>>154468046
got any leak of units in the next dlc?

>>154467539
skaven will conquer the same holds GS and dwarfs do, and that's it

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>>154468046
Additionally, their battle ai_usage_group is ranged, which I think may be an oversight, as there are several other types of ranged which appear to be more specific to bullets...

>>154467371
Better army composition
No great power penalty
The southern realms mod
Molay's magic mod (or Cataph version)
Tiered building icons
Minor settlements tier 4 (optional)
Tier 4 provincial capital (optional)

I'm probably missing a lot

>>154468445
They should really be ranked flanker imo.

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>It's a Schwartzenniggerhof won't accept confederation episode

Lads, are there any mods that make Rome 2 definitively not shit or is it a lost cause?
I pre-ordered the bloody thing and haven't played it since the first months after launch.

>>154468838
its good now they fixed it

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

Comitatenses or Armigeri for my mainline units as Best Roman Empire?

>>154459619
BREWERIES IN EVERY TOWN AND CASTLE

>>154455326
I hope they'll have Nagash' return as the big finale and not include any of the other ET retardation.

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>>154426705
>>154427159
This is the music that played in the halls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t8-_pI1-9Q

>>154459228
I'm hoping for the white dwarf and runelord. I doubt they'll give him disguised deployment though.

>>154459524
I don't understand why are blazing sun here. They are like slightly better Reiksguard.

>start up Warhammer
>play for 10 minutes and then close the game because its boring as shit

Am i the only one doing this? I want to play but its too damn boring after 130 hours

Rome 2 had to more replayability to be honest

>>154469291
this would be awesome to have him as true final boss after the chaos invasion is defeated

>>154434393
>that tied up woman
Is she a human and are the elves leaping to her defence?
The fuck?
>inb4 slave damsel that looks after the ageless catamite boys that "serve" the elves.

>>154469678
They hate beast shits and will kill them wherever they see them just because they can.

They will probably eat that innocent woman because they're sadistic ayyy fucks and the WORST RACE.

>>154450489
Fuck yeah. Looks fun. Screw the Skaven and Gobbo's that likely wait at the bottom.

Where is this?
Also nice graphics. Settings?

>>154469812
They don't eat them, dryads do.

>>154469291
>Vampire Cunts slaughter Nagash
>Manny immediately goes NAGASH WAS WEAK, WITNESS TRUE POWER
Why is he so the best, bros? And how can other Faction Leaders even compete?

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>>154465820
>End Times
Here it is in webm form.

>>154469537
I can't believe CA have their own fucking Warhammer room, which they get to use and play in every lunch break, with a Warhammer lore writer in their offices.

Kill me.

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>>154468347
They will probably be able to take everything considering the lore and the fact their tunnels are worldwide and the only place they never reached was Ulthuan due to the High Elves magics.

This map shows their empire in the Old World alone

>>154470253
>with a Warhammer lore writer

Who is it?

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>tfw probably no new trailers or content this month

>>154470159
>Posting that webm without knowing the context and how it completely invalidates your point.

kek

>>154470253
And?
They have a history room aswell covered in books,documentaries and artifacts, they recently livestreamed from the Ashmolean Museum where they had Rome 2 doing the battle of the Agatae Islands at the end of the first Punic War, was fun.

A lot of game studios have relevant rooms dedicated to upcoming games or game genres they work on, Blizzards is HUGE. That picture was posted recently after GW had dropped off new boxes of Warhammer stuff for CA and Joey was opening the boxes.

>>154470438
Does the actual context really matter when it comes to filenames though?

>>154470438
>being this autistic as to not take a joke or filename.
>>154470409
Wood Elves:Campaign Pack lad.

>>154470559
It does when it's contrary to the point the filename is making.

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>>154470253
>Collected Warhammer for years
>Haven't played a single game with anyone

>>154470585
>Wood Elves:Campaign Pack lad.

I want to believe.

>>154470740
Is it because you have social anxiety or is it because there isn't a community near you?

>>154470740

I know plenty of people like that. They buy them just to paint and collect them.

>>154470759
BELIEVE IT:

DLC 5 - Лecныe Эльфы (Wood Elves)!

Cyбфpaкции

Anmyr
Arranoc
Argwylon
Atylwyth
Cavaroc
Cythral
Durthu
Eorgovann
Fyr Darric
Modryn
Tirsyth
Talsyn
Wydrioth

И eщe дoбaвки Биcтмeнaм и Бpeтoнии.


DLC 8 Цapи Гpoбниц (Tomb Kings) !

Hичeгo кoнкpeтнoгo пo cyбфpaкциям.


DLC 10 Cкaвeны (Skaven)!

Hичeгo кoнкpeтнoгo пo cyбфpaкциям.

Дoлгo. Я дyмaл их быcтpee cдeлaют.


DLC 13 Гнoмы Хaoca (Chaos Dwarfs)!

Hичeгo кoнкpeтнoгo пo cyбфpaкциям.


DLC 15 Кopoлeвcтвa Oгpoв (Ogre Kingdoms)!

Hичeгo кoнкpeтнoгo пo cyбфpaкциям.
Hy и этo eщe нe вce.
Aддoн № 1 (Expansion pack 1)

Bo втopoй игpe тpилoгии Total War: WARHAMMER, впpoчeм впoлнe пpoгнoзиpyeмo, нaм oткpoют Ультyaн и Hoвый cвeт и дoбaвят:

Bыcшиe Эльфы (High Elves)
Teмныe Эльфы (Dark Elves)
Лизapдмeны (Lizardmen)

Hичeгo кoнкpeтнoгo пo cyбфpaкциям

Aддoн № 2 (Expansion pack 2)

Hy a тpeтья игpa тpилoгии бyдeт пocвящeнa ХAOCУ. Дoбaвят 4 oтдeльныe фpaкции нa кaждoгo бoгa. Уникaльныe Лopды, Избpaнныe, Дeмoны и пpoчиe paдocти пpилaгaютcя.

Кхopн (Khorne)
Tзинч (Tzeentch)
Hypгл (Nurgle)
Cлaaнeш (Slaanesh)

Hичeгo кoнкpeтнoгo пo cyбфpaкциям.

>>154470740
Honestly I'd take that over the games I've had. Sadly I like to play themed armies,but everyone I know is a meta gaming dick bag. So every game has been boring wastes of time.

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I don't get what is the difference between vampire counts and tomb kings. They both comprise of skeletons and zombies and yet are considered to be ''the opposite factions''. Explain this bullshit.

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>>154470740
I feel you bro

>>154470947
>DLC 8: Tomb Kings

What's in between? Other than LL pack for Dorfs and Greenskins.

Will they start releasing LL DLC's for the DLC factions?

>>154470969

I think I was lucky I found some like minded friends who also played with themed armies all the time and didn't try to run the most cheese list available all the time.

I know that is what it was like whenever you tried playing a game in your local Gee Dub store. Some arrogant little faggot would unbox all his fucking miniatures and you could feel that little shit eater radiating cheese lists when he took out his WoC.

>>154471034
DLC 6 will probably be Dwarf-Greenskin LLords
DLC 7, maybe a simple unit pack? completing the Empire's roster and adding new toys to Warriors of Chaos?

>>154470947
>all those subfactions
Wait, what? Where would you even put them

>>154471034
DLC 6 will be a Free race pack:Bretonnia.
DLC 7 will be Dwarfs vs Greenskins lord pack.

Or switch the two around.

>>154470740
Apart from a few games of tLotR SBG this is me with 40k. At least making them is fun.

>>154471173
How can you complete empire's roster even more? By adding regular war priests wielding heavy warhammers? And flying knights on griffons?

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>>154471269
Campaign pack obviously. The datamine has been 100% accurate so far and even called out the Beastman sub factions.

Here's the game map found by the same dataminers with additional faction symbols.

>>154471402

>they are actually adding chaos dwarfs

the absolute madmen

>>154471402
playable norska? thats kinda cool

>>154470671
It's a joke, you doofus. Would you be this autistic if I posted a webm of a man burning down a house?

NO YOU SHITTER YOU DON'T *UNDERSTAND* THE MEANING BEHIND THAT RITUAL! OH MY GOD, LIKE, I *CANNOT EVEN BELIEVE* YOU JUST POSTED THAT WITHOUT EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT BEHIND WHY HE BURNED DOWN HIS HOUSE RAGGLE FRAGGLE

>>154471317
There's the hurricanum and... knightly orders? remaining schools of wizards? Engineers?

Now that you mention it, the Empire too is pretty much complete

But right before/after a pack for dwarfs/Greenskins, and with VC roster pretty much complete (except bloodlines) what else could be added?

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Well that was fucking easy
>68 turns
only reason it took that long was because I fucked around with my army set up
wanted them dragon ogres
if I speedrun it I could probably finish it in less than 50 turns
considering I took out empire and bretonnia before the 50 turn mark

>>154471402
The map's real, but weren't the symbols added by someone here. They're pretty much right for the most part, but beastmen in Norsca was just a guess.

>>154471402
Can someone please explain the surrounding symbols outside of the map? The bottom ones, far right and far left? Will they be included too?

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>>154470671
This one may not trigger your autismo attacks

>>154471635
>>154471317
Archers/huntsmen, Engineers, the Hurricanum and a few Knightly Orders.
All in all pretty easy stuff to add.

>>154471715
you're talking about lizardmen and tombkings?

>>154471024
Vampires chose the gift of undeath, whereas it was forced upon the Tomb Kings.

Nagash, the BBEG who invented necromancy, turned Vampires and used them as generals in his army to fight against the living. He was defeated, and his final act was to curse the land and make it permanently devoid of all life; Tomb Kangz were killed, skellified, and instantly resurrected and hate all other undead as a result because they never asked for this.

>>154471796
With crossbows being pretty much bows in TWW, what would be the point of archers for the empire?

>>154471796
Battle wizard lords and Grand masters too.

>>154471786
No, because the context of the image makes sense to the point you're trying to make.

>>154471583
>Insult AoS by posting a webm of some monks clearing sand art.
>Unaware that the sand art is cleared to they can make it again different and just as beautiful.

It makes you a retard and a hypocrite, congratulations.

>>154471317
>master engineer (and his fly as fuck mechanical horse)
>state troop archers
>knights panther
>knights of the white wolf
>huntsmen
>celestial hurricanum

And a few special snowflake characters.

>>154471842
Thanks for clarification anon. What units could be in Tomb Kangz roster? The epic ones?

>>154471917
On the tabletop they work as scouts and skirmishers.

>>154471578
No, that's an icon for Beastmen. It was just put in Norsca because why not.

>>154472091
That's free company. what do free company do in table top?

>>154468347
They will also be able to move through the Skaven Underempire, which will allow them to ignore all terrain

>>154471917
Handguns are armor piercing, crossbows have increased range, and bows have volume of fire. Three distinct attributes for three distinct playstyles.

Bows also function as scouts with vanguard deployment to represent them being drafted from civilian huntsmen.

>>154471274
Free LC aren't part of the DLC line-up.

>>154471942
You are literally dumber than a box of rocks and most probably German.

>>154434393
Elves will have the innovative seasons mechanic where the season will change every 5 turns or so

When it is spring they will get an AI controlled army lead by Orion which will disappear when it is winter

>>154472268
dlc 6 is skarsnik vs belegar, that's for sure

But I have no idea what could be dlc 7, as it will be linked with Free Bretonnia. Maybe more units for Empire and Marius The Mad as LL, as he fought against Bretonnia

>>154472365
Explain how I am dumb. You posted a retarded webm and are doubling down in your stupidity.

>>154471712
>>154471715
That's why I put "additional symbols" as in added by fans.
Should have clarified.

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>form a defensive alliance with Nordland

>>154472365
>and most probably German
okay ahmed

>>154472412
>vs Belegar

As much as it makes sense from a rivalry perspective. I really hope this won't be the case.

Belegar is just another Dwarf Lord. They should add someone like Thorek Ironbrow, Kragg the Grim or Grim Burloksson/Burlok Damminsson.

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>you can select 4 (!!!) available legendary lords in vc campaign
>2 legendary lords in orcs campaign
>the same goes for dwarfs
>even bloody chaos has 3
>CA confirmed for sucking vampire cock all day long

>>154472596
it's easier to wipe them off the map

So what lands will the Wood Elves be able to occupy?

Bretonnia + Estalia + Tilea ?
Same occupation area as Empire/Undead ?
Won't be able to seize territory?

Guesses?

>>154471269
Minicampaign obviously

>>154472643
but Belegar has its own model and rules

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>>154471402
Just to point out. Obviously just a rough outline so it leads further proof that they'll expand the game via race packs like Tomb Kings to the south before releasing Expansion 1 to the New World.

>>154472865
We have no idea as they're the first faction that doesn't subscribe to the standard set, and it wouldn't make sense to just have them razing settlements like Chaos.

They'll get some kind of new mechanic but we won't know what until it's revealed.

>>154472865
Shouldn't be able to seize territory

Welfs aren't expansionist

Their primary victory condition for a short campaign will be the annihilation of the beast men, long campaign will include the defeat of chaos warriors

Maybe they'll do like the beastmen conditions and have a special final battle

>>154472865
Probably all human lands, so Brets can also occupy the forest

>>154472691

Hopefully, the content for VC is now done and they will not receive any new shit forever.

>>154472894

That makes no sense
If they have 2 expansions planned, they wouldn't add Tomb Kings/Ogre Kingdoms/k-oss dorfs with race packs, since that would leave no content whatsoever for a third expansion.

Unless they dedicate the second expansion to fleshing out things that are already in the game

>>154469678
They are on a wild hunt and that human git just happened to luck out, or she would have if they weren't going to kill her too.

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>>154472643
>complains about belegar, an actual character with an actual model and actual rules
>proceeds to list numerous literal whos

ok buddy

>>154472691
Greenskins will have 4 in the next Lord pack after Wood Elves.

>Azhag
>Grimgor
>Skarsnik(Lord pack)
>Wurrzag(Free lord)

>>154473008
The second expansion is chaos daemons with dedicated armies for each of the four major gods

i think it would be cool if elves got their own version of corruption that caused attrition to chaos and beasties

>>154472964

How would they be able to annihilate the beast men and chaos warriors when they start out on a enclosed forest a handful of territories away from the closest port?

unless they have some kind of special mechanic to teleport around the woods AND not cause automatic way with whatever faction they land the army at

>>154473008
The second and final expansion according to data leak is focused on Chaos Gods and the Daemons with 4 new factions for them.

>>154473008
Second expansion is Chaos, with actual Gods and daemons and all that neat stuff. It'll probably open up the Chaos Wastes and have some kind of end-times scenario up there.

>>154473102
damn dwarves have such a cool aesthetic
too bad they are boring and underpowered

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>>154472894
Here's the game map over the datamine.

>>154473201

>automatic way

Automatic war* fuck

>>154473104
>skarsnik

I hope his traits revolve around making goblins not-shit so I can finally make my Karak Eight Peaks army and not have to cheese each and every single fight.

The Wood Elves are going to use a system that's a combination of the Beastmen's Moon and the Book of Grudges.

Every dozen or so turns Wood Elf players will get the Hunting Season event, whereby they are given a mission to attack surrounding factions and raze a number of cities.

If they don't complete these objectives, a bar will go up bringing penalties to public order and leadership, as the wood elves and forest spirits get agitated without a hunt.

Save this shit.

>>154473102
Are you actually stupid, or just pretending?

I like Belegar as a lore figure, but the last thing Dwarfs need is another fighty melee lord.

Also, both Thorek and Grimm are in 8th ed.

Also, with fucking Helman Ghorst in the game, anything is possible.

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ded game
ded thread

>>154472892
So does Thorek and Grimm Burloksson.

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Changed startpos information so every non-wear diplomatic relation in that data was war instead of neutral/peace/alliance
My thought was that it would lead to a smaller set of stronger factions early on
Started as Chaos Hard, camped in Wastes, used Agent to scout world.
Notably using Tier 4 minor settlements and "Aggressive AI" mods

Turn 14: Ostermark destroyed
Turn 20: Nordland destroyed
Turn 36: Averland destroyed
Turn 38: Templehof destroyed, Kraka Drak destroyed
Turn 39: Empire Secessionists destroyed
Turn 50: Stirland destroyed
Turn 52: Marienburg destroyed
Turn 66: Parravon destroyed
Turn 67: Karak Hirn destroyed
Turn 68: Hochland destroyed
Turn 74: Kislev destroyed
Turn 78: Ostland confederated by Empire
Turn 93: Wissenland destroyed

Almost every ruin you see on this map is due to Beastmen, who appear to rampage uncontested from Estalia up to Kislev.
IMHO the AI should more actively seek to recolonize, yeah?

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>>154473008
>>154473212
To add the game files also show the rough landmass has been slowly developed since release with each update. Land of the Dead and Araby has a lot of untextured landmarks and building points and references to scripted events according to the ongoing Russian datamine thread suggesting thats CA's plan to have The Old World,Darklands and land of the dead playable before going west.

Before release I was adamant that Expansion 1 would beTomb Kings,Ogre Kingdoms and Tomb Kings(possibily Skaven) with Expansion 2 going west. Seems I was wrong.
Pic related is what I quickly did prior to launch in months old twg threads. before I saw the game map and how Araby is already planned out but shrunken.

Each expansion is supposed to be standalone so my logic said the map for Expansion one would look like that with the thick fog blocking off the view of the Old World in the same way currently fog blocks the view of the Darklands and Land of the Dead.

Has anyone been able to make use of trade resources as VC? I've never has anyone try to trade with me ever.

>>154473721
>the AI should more actively seek to recolonize, yeah?
it's one of the big issues the game has

>play Chaos
>dabears stay on their shitty province forever

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>Gewis still alive at fucking 78
>still my best commander by a clear mile
>send him and an accompanying army into the depths of the eastern roman empire
>practically a suicide mission to ensure that he dies in battle
>he still won't die

i'm gonna be fucking mad if he wins all these battles then dies of a cold or some shit

New to this, how does raiding stance work?

>>154473251
Yep that looks legit. Easily 300+regions, 16 playable factions and 120+ non playable. The new world is clearly just a rough outline and Nehekara,Araby and Darklands are first up perhaps released over time. The landmass looks to be the same size as the base games Old World so it should be packed.

Man I'm excited. To counter the distance to the new world. They could lower movement points for fleets and army transports crossing. So that distance might actually take 4-10 turns depending where the ships set off from or they could make it Empire style with the "theatres" system switching the map locations with a 2-4 turn arrival time.

>>154473721
>AI doesn't recolonize

Every bit as infuriating as it was in Attila. I understand that the devs don't want to make it too easy for the player to just auto-resolve against a half strength stack the turn after it recolonizes, but I think they've erred on the side of caution too far for the second time.

>>154474103
You get like 5 gold per turn as long as you're raiding an enemy region.

>>154474079
My strongest general on my first Attila run was a blind eunuch. Didn't stop him from kicking ass and taking names, cycle charging his way from Persia to Portugal.

>>154474103
Gain income based on the income of the region, and be immune to attrition. So raiding maurienburg will give you a substantial amount of income.

>>154474103

The benefit is you get dosh from the army depending on the wealth of the region and the value of trade routes inside it, it's almost required to have one or two armies raiding at any one time against your enemies.

The downsides are the following:

Anyone with settlements or trade routes in the region will start getting pissed at you.

At least in Attila, that army's state will be 'Winded', meaning their units can never recover beyond 'Tired' in any battles they're forced into.

The army can only raid if they have 50% remaining base move distance.

>>154473201
I guess we'll just have to hope CA included stealth mechanics for the welfs like they did for beastmemes and that they have a special "beastpath" which lets them travel the world roots from forest to forest (or just beastpaths with a different name, whatever)

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>>154473289
I have entire stacks of Gobbo's they are fun. having Skarsnik as my LL and just recruit gobbo lords and heroes so I don't ever need a Orc will be fantastic. Squigs soon(ish) after Wood Elves.

>>154473448
tbqh this would only work if hunting season didn't force you to be at war with surrounding factions, since welfs regularly burn shit while not actually fighting bretonnians

>>154471842
This is wrong.

>>154473548
In a lord pack which includes skarsnik for what possible reason would they not include belegar?

>>154474704
Explain how it is wrong

I own the Tomb Kang army book

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>>154474197
>>154474324
>>154474337
Ah thanks, just started a Beastmen campaign and wondered how to get gold

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when people play G O B L I N S campaigns, are you allowed to still get things like trolls or giants or arachnarok spiders

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>>154474386
>>154473201
An anon in an earlier thread proposed those ideas including all wood elf ranged infantry having the Stalk trait so they can hide in any terrain and a bonus attack damage to their first volley whilst hidden(Bonus is only once per battle), so you can have a bunch of melee infantry or cavalry drawing the enemy in followed by a lethal crossfire of hidden elf archers from two sides.
He also mentioned a regrowth mechanic enabling special "teleports" across regrown regions for legendary lords and their armies every few turns so it can't be spammed and a special "seed" event where Athel Lorens spirits instantly regrow an entire provinces forests from 0% to 100% every 40-50 turns or so. He also said a special "Slash and Burn" commandment could be added for non elf factions to fight the effects of the Elves.

It was very cool.

>>154474543
I HATE how you can't put goblin shamans on spiders when you can put a goblin big boss on one just fine.

I want my 100% spider army you FUCKS.

>>154474921
Are giants goblins?

>>154474878
With beastmen the main way of getting a stable economy is reducing unit upkeep, you have building that reduces it by 50% for negative growth. With horde factions you pretty much have to spec for growth, it is pretty dumb.

>>154474921
Spiders are controlled by Gobbo's so yes.
I don't see why trolls and giants can't be used.

Just orc units,lords and heroes cannot be used.

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frickin neighbournigs

>>154475062
I liked it, it was a nice way to balance the early to mid game before going huge late. Beastmen's campaign is fun all the way though.

>>154474741
Because he's too similar to Thorgrim and Ungrim, and regular Dwarf Lords, for that matter.

I don't dislike Belegar, I just want a dwarf LL who isn't a melee fighter.

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So what is the army cap? I only have 4 which should not be anywhere near an army cap. I think this bug might cause me to completely lose control of this game.

Any tips on how do i play as chaos?

>>154475128
have you found anything related to next contents that we don't know yet?

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>>154474990
I just wish Spider Riders could climb walls like in the lore. They widened the walls for the AI so no reason for spiders not being able to get on there.

;_;

>>154475012
no but goblin armies use all of the mentioned beasties

>>154475349
There is no cap, you just get progressively more significant upkeep penalties for each new lord you recruit. Your shit is bugged.

>>154475436
That's dumb.
Gobbos are dumb.

>>154475482
DELET THIS POST
IT'S NOW OR NEVER
DON'T LET IT STAY FOREVER

How the fuck does trade in Warhammer work?
It says shit like:
>You are exporting 6% of 180 iron, 4% of 144 Dye etc. To increase this get more trade routes
I get more land as if that makes a difference and it still says the same.

Also why is the Diplomacy so fucking stupid? I have literally no trade partners or friends playing as Empire. Dwarfs broke off on the THIRD turn. It's utterly bizarre.

>tfw I really miss internal trade mechanic for campaign map atmosphere.
10 years. Never forgotten :(

>>154475708
More trade routes means more trade routes with other factions. Why would you think this has anything to do with conquering more land?

>>154475708
autism