/cfog/ - Classic Fallout (& New Vegas) General

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>>154258840
>you will never get a fallout game based around tribal life and warfare

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I've owned NV since 2010 and put a couple hundred hours in but never played the DLC. Would this be good enough proof of high functioning autism if I wanted to go to the government for NEETbux?

>>154259010
Shit I thought I was bad for getting like 400 hours on the 360 version, the DLC's great dude, you should try it.

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>>154259010
What the fuck are you doing mate. The ultimate edition is available for like 5 shekels.

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>>154259010
>nv without the dlc
>couple hundred hours
Im sorry but the game is terrible without the addons

>http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/45138/?
>1.3 GB worth of an enhanced pre-escape Vault 101
Wew. Please tell me there's more to this Part 1.

>>154259297
really? ive played through NV a fair few times without touching the DLC. i mean, it's nice to be able to do a few more quests in some new landmasses, but it's not like the DLC makes the base, fundamental game better.

>>154259575
>but it's not like the DLC makes the base, fundamental game better.
>all the new crafting recipes from HH
>additional weapon modifications
>not making the game better

>>154259575
They add perks, bug-fixes, weapons, recipes, items, increased level cap

>>154259694
if additional crafting recipes and weapon mods is enough to bring the game from being "not terrible" to "good", well, I guess all I can say is that your priorities are a little odd.

>>154259739

This is true, I hadn't considered that. Still though, a lot of those weapons, perks and recipes are exclusive to the DLC areas, best case being that you can bring them back to the mojave. That doesn't seem like enough to make the game not "terrible" if you didn't already like it.

>>154259857
>perks and recipes are exclusive to the DLC areas, best case being that you can bring them back to the mojave.
that's not true at all.
Not even remotely.

>>154259914
I don't understand. Most of the perks added in the DLC ARE obtained in the DLC.

>>154259993
You don't need to be in the DLC to get a DLC perk if that's what your implying.
You just need it installed. Same goes with everything else.

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What do you think about Lonesome Road?

Been considering playing modded NV again.

Will it run on Win10? Or do I need to download and dual boot 7/8.1?

>>154264358
it will im running on 10

>>154264358
I've been running it with Windows 10 for like a year now and no problems.

>>154264394
Cool. Does it still have loads of issues with GeForce Experience and other nvidia driver shit?

>>154264534
uh not that i know of but id check just in case ive had no issues on a 980ti

>>154264150
THE BEAR AND THE BULL

>>154264560
Got the same card, thanks.

>>154258994
>implying that's not all of New Vegas

Granted, I do see where you're coming from.
I too would like a game largely based around stereo-typically savage tribals.

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I'm finally continuing image related Enclave run where we get our shit kicked in during FO3, but with a third of our remaining might, the daughter of Autumn carves out a city-state under President Gannon using the Yes Man path and a fukkin Securitron army.

It's actually quite cool. With a little tweaked dialog in the GECK, New Vegas is ripe for covert take over by the Enclave. FO3 has all that nasty 'already present and an antagonist' stuff to work around.

I'll carry it into FO4 and have Nate or Nora re-enlisted and called into service by this revitalized Enclave, to justify why my (personal) Minutemen wear Enclave colors and why I'm using the 'Institute merged with Enclave' mod. But that's for a different thread, even if I suspect most of my fellow Enclave affectionados are here.

>>154264394
>>154264525
What's it like being spied on more than any sane person who stayed using Windows 7?

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>>154265329

Wow, has it really been over a year?

>>154265329
I went for more of the Remnant idea for my Enclave run, but this seems like a cool idea.

I'm interested to see both runs

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>>154258840
Zion!

>>154265329
Mods?

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SMNC?

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>>154265959

I forget which, I only used it for the birth and set up/child-teen phase, but it's either The Eagle has Landed or For the Enclave. Both are good yet flawed mods that an incomplete beyond the early stages. They make great Enclave alternate start mods though, as long as you disable them after leaving Raven Rock. (One makes some massive changes to the landscape, such as image-related, as it was built on the assumption that the Lone Wanderer died in childbirth and the Enclave took the Captal Wasteland before the Brotherhood could get a foothold.)

(Image related is even a heavily edited version of whichever I had running; there is another level that has been built on to Megaton, containing the Enclave embassy. There is a watchtower outside the city, guard posts between megaton and Vault 101, and a Vertibird parked outside the Super duper Mart. Shit's great, if you don't mind shitting on the main quest, which I wouldn't, but I'm trying to be lore compliant enough for FO4 to still occur.)

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>>154265851

My long term vision for this run is basically to fulfill Autumns vision of the Enclave, which I always saw as the Mid-Western Brotherhood of Steel sort of organization. Not the FO2 or EDEN path, but one where the Enclave does genuinely want to rebuild the government and military, and eventually civilization, albeit with much purging of mutants and a despotic/military-state feel.

Let's face it, Autumn and the Eastern Brotherhood (especially in FO4) are two sides of the same coin. They both wanted DC and the Purifier for what it represented and the hold on the populace it offered respectively.

I think a new idealistic President (Arcade) and a city-state to grow a bigger civilian population and recruitment base, the Pitt for its iron works, and later the Institute and Commonwealth for the high-tech bunker base, a foothold back in the East again, and influence on the civilian militia and co-ops works. Best of all, it can be done without having a great deal of obvious contradictions and fucking aroudn with established storylines. All I'm really doing is tweaking the cosmetics and details of the Yes Man ending and then the Minutemen-Institute ending.

Everything still has to go to shit in FO3 though. I might get away with bombing the Citadel and keeping the base crawler, assuming that as long as I let Sarah live they will rebuild the Citadel, and history will continue practically the same.

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Post your go-to weapon for everything.

>>154266764
I like it, I've always enjoyed the idea of a more humanized and genuine Enclave. Especially considering characters like Autumn and Sergeant Granite.

It'll definitely be alot different than my Enclave run of New Vegas since I made my character's background with New Vegas' theme of letting go in mind.

>>154265334
They can watch me jack off if they want its nothing interesting

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>>154264809
OLD WORLD FLAG

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I was thinking of a Jack Torrance run. Listed all the details I've considered for it here: http://pastebin.com/ehfga9SS

Any suggestions for it?

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That new Friday the 13th game is gonna be sick.

>>154268609
I'd say add in having Wild Wasteland for the occasional supernatural happening and you're golden.
I'll even chuck it in with the other runs in the pastebin.

Thanks, wastelander.

>>154264150
Remove all the marked men, keep the tunnelers and the deathclaws, and I think it would have been 7/10. As is, 5/10.

>>154268975
Oh, how could I forget about such a detail. Thanks for the tip.
For my run I'm going to replace the missing "Begin Again" song with https://youtu.be/vJ9aT-Wa_tE for that authentic flavor.

>>154269301
Sounds like an excellent run, anon.
You've got some damn fine taste.

>>154258840
Do enemys in fallout one and two drop items on defeat?
or is there a mod?

Do we have a teamspeak for the FOnline group?
I can't look at the steam group chat and it kinda sucks

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Which place should be he next fallout and why?

>>154271541
SOUTH havent done one yet.

>>154268609
why make him a dummy?

>>154260085
I think he means like dean Sierra madre martini, you need to talk to Dean to get it. Still, you need the DLCs for all good mods, so there's another reason why dlcs do make the game better

>>154271541
Alaska

NUCLEAR WINTER

>>154271939
>Still, you need the DLCs for all good mods,
And it hampers the progress of NV modders to this day because people don't want to pay 5 dollars for the full game and they have to work around that or listen to poorfags and third-worlders complain that the mod author should have made it work without the DLC.

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>>154272112
It's not like asshats don't complain anyway.
>Hurr your mod is incompatible with this mod I personally use
>Fix it you lazy modder

>>154272263
Fuck oath, it's ridiculous.
At least buying all the DLC prevents a lot of fucking issues, but still, six years later, a significant price drop and the ability to pirate the DLC and have them work, yet people still won't bother.
It's infuriating.

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Has anyone ever done a explosives run? If so, how did it go? I'm considering giving it a try.

I've read on the wiki that you can wear the Atomic Valence thingy from OWB, the one that gives you regeneration, with hats and berets because it goes in the glasses slot. However, I can't wear it with Boone's beret, selecting one removes another. The only stuff-changing mods I ran is JSawyer.esp and Mission Mojave. Any idea what's going on?

>>154267737

even guys like Dornan weren't utterly irredeemable. I mean, the guy was harsh on his recruits, but if he thought you were civilians that had just wandered into Navarro he didn't have you executed, just escorted off site. It was only if he thought you were a spy he raised the alarm. I suspect that the majority of the Enclave in Fallout 2 were as varied as folk today.

>>154274796
fun as fuck

>>154274796
One of the best, absolutely entertaining.

It's actually surprising there aren't people who almost always do Explosives playthroughs and post the Grenade Rifle or something as their gunfu like the Holorifle guys do.

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reminder that if obsidian is working on a new fallout, it won't be announced until a few months before release

>>154275305
Is it recommend for Very hard/Hardcore?

>>154275754
Sure, why not?

>>154275487
I want to believe

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>>154258840
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/48126/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/42793/?tab=1&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fnewvegas%2Fajax%2Fmoddescription%2F%3Fid%3D42793%26preview%3D&pUp=1

Are these any good?

>>154275487
how is that a sound marketing strategy?

>>154276817
They did it with 4 and it worked tremendously. They've now said that they're going to do it with most of their projects.

>>154276817
They can announce it and it will generate loads of hype because it's already massively popular, and at the same time it will be able to show a minimum and as such give negative shit little to build off

>>154274796
Fatman only run: most fun I have ever had in NV
>Console yourself Fatman/Esther + 10000 of each mininukes
>turn hardcore (or ammo weight) off

>>154275945
missiles/mini nukes weigh shit ton

>>154278213
Suck it up, you'll need a high Strength to wield the weapons correctly anyway.

>>154264150

Honestly? I think it's New Vegas's Operation: Anchorage, and I didn't like it.

I actually like Ulysses, but he's not enough to sustain an entire DLC. The rest of it is just samey environments with endless, punishing combat, and I'm not playing New Vegas for the combat.

>>154278647
LR had the sweetest armor so it's okay in my book

>>154264150
Cool as fuck armor, felt like a drag to go through though
Didn't think OWB was very good either, HH was okay, DM was my favourite but can see why people didn't like it as much

>>154278213
take pack rat

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>>154264150
From earlier

PATROLLING

>>154282185
STANDING

>>154282232
ON THE EDGE

Why did this split from /fog/, somebody give me the red pill on the split.

>>154282250
THEORETICAL PHYSICS

>>154282292
bethesda faggots and obsidian faggots can't play nice

>>154282292
New Vegas/Classic were hitting the post limit daily on /v/ so mods moved us here

>>154258840
poll time nigguhs
http://www.strawpoll.me/11186966

>>154283408
Pulse literaly one shots enclave in PA

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>>154276816
Random Encounters is good, does exactly what it says and I've had no problems with it, although the spawns are a little rarer than I'd like. Better New Vegas has always completely shredded my performance whenever I've tried using it, and I've got a decent PC.

>>154282292
fallout 4 general is for jerking off over waifus, this is for discussing the good entries in the series.

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>>154283848
>this is for discussing the good entries in the series
no wonder there's never any discussion here

so whats the go to enb with good performance these days? for nv with 970

>>154283621
vindicator literally "one turns" Horrigan. Bozar and possibly avenger too

>>154283948
Seriously?

>>154284078
Dreary

>>154284868
yeah I saw the video too faggot
but he was a level 99 with maxed out everything and ad shit ton of perks

>>154283948
Don't you have a job to do, Todd?

>>154286284
you don't need to be lvl 99 for that to work. Just, extra ranged damage, better criticals 10 LCK and sniper. If you are really lucky irl you could theoretically kill him with 2 bursts.

>>154289245
why?

How would you feel about exploring the BoS civil war in a future game? Maybe even one that could involve warlords and favtions against Maxson?

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>>154282292

>>154291202
Do you think you guys will ever merge back together? /tesg/ mostly plays and screenshots Skyrim, but they still find the time to talk about older games. Or is that cohesiveness more to do with the fact that Elder Scrolls has at least been produced by the same company in its entirety, unlock Fallout which has company factionalism to worry about?

>>154290665
Fuck Maxson, he's a shitcunt.
Would have been better to have him grow up like Elder or even Sarah Lyons.

Also, that's some Fallout 4 stuff, go back to /fog/ thanks.

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>>154290665
It's already fucked beyond belief. Bethesda has already resolved the East Coast civil war in the stupidest way possible.

>Brotherhood were generic good guys
>Someone must has told the writing staff that the Brotherhood were more chaotic neutral than good
>Outcasts tacked on last minute which is why they have little to no quests, and the first DLC involves them even though it could involve ANY faction trying to activate the simulator

>Elder Lyon's dies and Sarah succeeds him
>Sarah dies, possibly to the Outcasts
>Brotherhood employ a 12 year old as Elder
>Elder wins the war and absorbs the Outcasts back into the Brotherhood
>Suddenly decides that "maybe we should stick to the codex again guys" and reforms the Brotherhood, undermining the entire fucking point of the civil war in the first place

And the big crime that nobody seems to mention is that the player character goes to The Pitt, discovers Ashur and what Lyon's did to that place, but doesn't feel the need to question why Lyon's suddenly became a philanthropist in the Capital Wasteland

Even if it's guilt, he has effectively lied to all the recruits he's picked up in DC who think they are helping the wastelanders. If they found out, they'd easily defect to the Outcasts

>>154291420
You will always have splits in the fanbase where some people prefer the newest release and some people prefer the older ones. Morrowind is the only TES game which has a large enough fanbase to warrant a split in /tesg/ , but even then, it's just one game. It's not like Fallout which had multiple releases before someone else took over.

If it wasn't for FNV, /cfog/ wouldn't exist. It has triggered a lot of anger from people because they know the original team (or whats left of it) can still work wonders with the franchise, and more so than the company who own it, given how dog shit awful Fallout 4 is.

>>154291761
True, but that doesn't mean that the Western Brotherhood couldn't be explored a little more. They sent Maxson away to avoid having a political tool in their hands and then got buttfucked by the NCR, so it could at least be worth seeing jow the west would react to their second coming of Christ that a Maxson would be. Plus it lets Bethesda continue their BOSwank but EVIL.

>>154292193
Really though if you want to fix the Brotherhood East side, simply have the Outcasts win.

It does mean retconning everything that happened in Fallout 4, but I'm happy with that, and if people argue, just say "it's fine when Bethesda does it, but not when someone else does it"

I'm thinking of replaying Fallout 1 after a long time, is the time limit still a thing? If so, can you remove it?

i got the mod for the wattz laser rifle and the scope is sometimes very shiny and unusable in some angles, is there any fix for this or can i get a new modded scope?

>>154293443
iirc, the second time limit was "patched" out, and by that it never happens in the game, but towns will still be wiped out in their endings.

>>154293443
The 150-day limit is still there until the water chip, then with patch 1.1 (included in the Fixt) there's a 13-year time limit to kill the Master and destroy Mariposa, so plenty of time.

>>154283848
Same goes for the elder scrolls.

>>154291420
Talk about its older games isn't enough to sustain its own thread.

>>154289245
What is the sadness supposed to represent?

>>154271728
Insanity

>>154283848
/tesg/ effectively split up two generals, both /fog/ and of course themselves with /tgesg/

When will they realize that they are so repulsive that not even people on the internet feel comfortable around them?

I have been playing this game for a long time.
But I'm not sure when to start hardcore. I have made multiple playthroughs but I only beaten the game once without finishing any of the DLC.

>>154296406
Just do it from the start, it's not that bad. Plus, you can always switch it on and off at your leisure, unlike 4.

>>154296406
I literally have never played New Vegas without Hardcore.

>>154296406
It's not that bad, just do it on a melee build for your first time since the ammunition weight is pretty tedious.

What's the highest level I can get by killing everything in the game, and only doing that. I won't be able to do quests because I'll be killing everyone and everything on sight.

I've always considered these sort of meme playthroughs, but it's actually pretty fun playing someone who just wants to kill them all. I've never done it before but I'm wondering how far I can go. I figured I'd better take Swift Learner.

>>154297290
lvl 10-15

>>154297826
Probably more than that. You forget that exploring and completing challenges will also give experience.

>Bored of playing Fallout games
>Still browse /cfog/
What do? Should I mod my game into a waifu simulator and start posting on /fog/?

>>154300578
You probably burnt yourself out. Stop playing for about a month and it gets fun again.

>>154300809
This.

>>154300578

Or you can make flawless waifus on fallout 4 and post em.

>>154264150
I actually liked it. I think the flak it gets from you guys is 100% warranted, but as an end game mission, it wasn't all that bad.

Enemies were tough enough to be worth your while, landscapes and content gave it an appropriate sense of buildup, the loot was good, and it gave my boi ED-E some love.

On the otherhand, Ulysses was unintentionally both interesting and annoying at the same time, and the linear structure was a bit disappointing (though I suppose being called "Lonesome Road" justifies it as an artistic choice).

Also, everything but surprise tunnelers and the rare marked man ambush is piss easy if you're running a sniper build, just like everything in NV. Guess they deserve props for making SOME of the enemies challenge snipers.

Overall didn't live up to the hype the other DLC built it up with, but not the worst mission in New Vegas.

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>>154267712
Perfect for unsubtle, brain-dead retards like me.

>>154271541
>>154271676

Technically DC on the map is in the South, but I get what you're saying.

I'm indifferent to the South as a Fallout location, it seems like it would be too closed off from all of the previous games to feel connected.

>>154302267
On the contrary, its the best place to bridge the gap between the east and west; its a more a question of "do you honestly wan't more Bethesda east coast shit clogging up Fallout"

Personally, I like how it's "close but no cigar" as a location. You can certainly hint at the existance of the NCR and the Legion for example, but its far enough away to not confirm any canon ending for New Vegas. For example, if the next Fallout was in Arizona or New Mexico, little to no Legion presence would confirm that faction lost Hoover Dam. If you were to set Fallout in the south, it would have to be only a year at the most away from the events of New Vegas otherwise it would confirm too much.

>>154302180
It's a shame we got that piece of shit instead of an M60

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>>154264150
Well, Ulysses has a point about Mojave's current political situation. But his way of presenting his view to the Courier and the methods of how to fix Mojave are not. Listen Ulysses you goddamn nigger Dunmer, NUKING NCR ISN'T THE ANSWER, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME NUKES FLEW
Fuck the Red Glare, way too expensive to update and still too weak.

>>154296917
>>154296406

Seconding, the ammo weight is hard to manage if you're not used to it. Very much limits you to only 2-3 weapons max that you can use, so you have to use your noggin'

>>154302576
M60 is a piece of shit, though.

>>154302576
True. the retexture looks nice though.

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>Someone finds Vault 68 and Vault 69
>nothing but skeletons

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>>154267712
>every melee run
>go down to that first Powder Ganger camp right after Goodsprings
>two Powder Gangers running low on smokes again
>they're easily killed, of course
>drag bodies to the wooden railroad ties they're using as benches
>lay them down with their necks on the block, heads hanging off
>behead them and watch the heads sometimes roll into the toxic sludge below

Looks so much better than the regular machete too.

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>>154267712
Been starting a Hardcore Energy Weapons playthrough, and this little darling has been helping mitigate the balance between "ammo too heavy" and "shit out of ammo" while I come to terms with being a huge packrat

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>>154302869
it'd probably be quite good with a bit of sawyer balancing
7.62 NATO at 600rpm is nothing to turn your nose up at

>>154303232
M60s are awesome

>>154300578
Play Fallout 3 or 4, gain perspective and appreciation for what we have

>>154303163
Its running power attack also isn't the retarded Back Slash.

I'm going to do the Mad Bomber run, any good russian names?

>>154303926
Crazy Ivan, if you want an obvious one. I like it, though.

>>154303926
Ivan
Vodka
Strelok

Natalia

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>>154267712

>>154303926
Jorji Costava

>>154303926
Suka Blyat
Gopnikboy2022

>>154304241
Cobrastan is not Russian

>>154303926
Vlad
Niko
Roman
Cousin
Bowling
Boris

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Is it more thematically fitting to kill Ulysses, or convince him to side with you?

>>154304823
I don't know.

>>154303926
Name yourself after your least favorite brand of vodka

>>154304823
Kill him then don't nuke anything.

Why would you want to fulfill Avellone's wet dream?

>>154304823
I think it depends on your character's stance on the old world versus the new world. Do you want to bury the past, or come to terms with the past?

>>154304823
>>154304892
elaborating. I think they're both kind of fitting in their own ways.

On one hand, killing him could be appropriate to the epic showdown on the edge of the divide. Plus Ulysses is a jackass who is responsible for the events of the other DLC. Ulysess own action fucking up the Mojave without him realizing or caring

Sparring him could also fit, because he's some guy who has raved endlessly over something the courier knows nothing about, so the courier has no real reason to attempt to kill him. because he's detached from the issue in the first place

>>154291420
/tesg/ has had the benefit of having some weird tripfags who were actually really cool dudes and managed to reign in the others. They managed to actually balance lore, waifus and gameplay discussion. Even though those tripfags have disappeared, the attitude remains.

/fog/ basically was flooded with shitposters since the first Fallout 4 trailer.

/cfog/ is basically a reboot of pre-2015 /fog/.

>>154305150
They were quite clever with the foreshadowing. They outright say in Dead Money that "Two couriers battling underneath an old world flag", which immediately sounds like you're destined to kill him, but then you think about it and you realize that when he sides with you, you're battling WITH him against the Marked Men.

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>>154303926
Time to find some vodka and dynamite.

>>154296406

I started my first playthrough the day the game came out on hardcore. Wasn't bad at all. I don't even play that mode anymore because I was a bit disappointed in it.

>>154296608
This. The game is easy anyway, so why make it easier without hardcore mode on?

Combined with JSawyer, it has its highs and lows. I like the reduced carry weight which basically forces you to carry 1 or 2 weapons only, rather than having 20 weapons for every situation.

On the other hand, the needs have been fucked around with and they don't trigger until 400 ticks rather than 200. It's fucked because I never need to sleep on my game, mainly because I don't fast travel.

>>154305046
Why would Avellone want everything nuked?

>>154306964
Because the series has gotten too civilized in his eyes.

>>154306964
He doesn't like the direction the series has been going since Fallout 2 e.g everything isn't as fucked anymore and civilization is rebuilding.

He basically wants to reset the NCR because he thinks they are getting too strong and advanced, despite any with a brain seeing that the NCR is flawed beyond belief.

>>154300578
you could start playing FOnline Reloaded

>>154307149
>despite any with a brain seeing that the NCR is flawed beyond belief.
Avellone is at least partially the reason the NCR is as fucked up as it is portrayed in the first place.

>>154307628
Legionfags ruining everything again baka

>>154307672
I'm not saying the NCR are bad, I'm saying the NCR are far too removed from being anywhere near totally civilized and problem free, which is the justification Avellone has for blowing the NCR up.

I might be in a minority here, but I don't like Fallout as another post apocalyptic game. I like the direction it went with in Fallout 2, because few games show society reborn after a disaster. Most games of this type are focused on the initial struggle, and you can blame F3 for bringing this trend back.

>>154307968
Your opinion is correct. I don't want to play Fallout to fuck around grey wasteland while scavenging shit and fighting always chaotic evil raiders, which seems to be some people's idea of a "good post-apo game". Even FO1 had a bunch of rebuilding.

>>154307968
I agree, I feel like NV had good balance on that front. It wasn't pure anarchy, and it wasn't 100% structured society, it was a frontier.

>>154305587
>green hud

>>154309117
Who /blue/ here?

>>154309117
>>154309174
AMBER
M
B
E
R

>>154309174
White > Amber > Green > Blue
F3 hate memes aside, green is far superior to that awful blue hud.

>>154309285
Only correct choice here

>>154309174
mah nigga

>>154309319
White seems like it would clash with everything in the game

>>154309117
>>154309174
>>154309285
Depends on the game.

Fallout 3: Green
New Vegas: Amber
Fallout 4: Blue

>>154309174
Good taste senpai

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Why'd he hate lesbians so much?

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>>154303232
That's not how you hold a machinegun.

>>154312216
They can't reproduce

>>154312216
Elijah is apeshit crazy, really. He wanted to spread the Cloud into the Mojave

>>154303163
That machete is so OP, don't even need that varmint rifle for the tutorial quest

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>get on NCR's bad side
>some dyke shows up telling me to straighten up or they'll take me out

>>154315476
They're literal retards.

Do they do this with every legionary?

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>>154315476
>Tell them okay
>Proceed to kill them all
MOM'S GONNA FREAK

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what is the best weapon in NV and why is it pic related?
The only valid alternative is Mercy

>>154316418
Literally eats up all the ammo in 4 seconds. You can mod the regular minigun and it will have a little less DPS but you won't need to reload it more often than you shoot it.

Also, the barrel block model/textures are not very good.

Also, have anyone ever fixed that minigun sound glitch?

>>154316606
>a little less DPS
>390 vs 300
also by the time you're out of ammo everything is ded and 5mm is common as fuck anyways.
After the -25 DT patch this became so OP

>>154316606
that's what tap-firing is for.
Don't go full auto into every rat you find.

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>>154316418
Needs more laser

>>154317352
Or you can use your secondary.

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>>154317680
of that.

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>>154317326
>also by the time you're out of ammo everything is ded
Well, not always...
>After the -25 DT patch this became so OP
As it should be. It's a fucking minigun.

>>154317868
>AP ammo on ghouls

AAAAAAAAAA

Use surplus for god's sake

>>154318060
I've burned through like 1200 rounds of JSP before the screenshot. It's Increased Wasteland Spawns with both spawns and "ghoul rampage" turned to maximum. Had like 1 or less FPS on my potato, but doesn't really matter when they all run in my hail of bullets.

Later in the level there were large groups of them in the open - explosive .50 MG rounds were really fun to use there.

>>154317868
>240 rounds
i'm sensing some cheating
>As it should be. It's a fucking minigun
Yeah, miniguns are awesome, but in previous fallouts they were pretty shit against anything even remotely armored and generally not first choice weapons. Let's thank new vegas for this

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>>154318903
>i'm sensing some cheating
It's not Avenger, it's a basic minigun with both mods (high-speed motor and dampening frame). Yes, basic minigun has TWICE the ammo capacity of Avenger!

>in previous fallouts they were pretty shi
Yeah, it was sad, really. I was so happy when, before FNV was released, Sawyer was explaining some combat stuff, and he was talking about how a minigun has really steep requirements but if you meet them you can cut pretty much anything in the room in one sweep. That was precisely what I wanted to hear!

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>>154317868
>minigun without power armor

>>154319525
Refer to the picture above your post.

>>154319514
modding the minigun makes it red? damn i thought that looked a bit big for an avenger

>>154319514
I only just got into the series recently. I can't imagine the relief fans felt when New Vegas was announced and had all these awesome features.

>>154319698
yeah. hi-speed motor makes it red. The frame adds those blue bits

>>154319647
That's concept art. And even considering it, tbqh heavy weapons only feel right in the hands of people with power armor or big guys

>>154319514
>holding a minigun one handed while not being a super mutant
>not even PA
i knew rangers were badass but this is like 12 STR

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>>154267712

>>154318903
>allouts they were pretty shit against anything even remotely armored and generally not first choice weapons.
I'm fairly certain miniguns are generally the best weapons in the first two games (including variants)

LADS help me find combat armor in fallout 1.5

i killed the vendor who sold it

>>154291761

I've read your post over and over and I don't get what's so fucked up about it.

Elder Lyons departed from standard procedure, leading to the Outcasts splitting off. Maxson realigned the EBoS with standard procedure, so the Outcasts rejoined.

IIRC, the Pitt was already pretty fucked up when Lyons arrived, and whatever he did doesn't invalidate that the protection he provided to DC. Even if we assume most of his recruits didn't sign up for the lasers and power armour, they're probably more interested in protecting their surrounding area than in whatever happened over the horizon.

>>154319698
Avenger basically looks precisely like a fully modded regular minigun, but with a new, more solid/traditional looking barrel pack. The barrel pack model looks less detailed than the default one is.

>>154319858
>>154319921
In original FO minigun requires like 6 or 7 STR. In FNV it's 10, highest in the series.

>>154320223
They only shine if you build for crits (but then again, what doesn't). If you don't have high luck and Sniper, well, they aren't terribly good vs. postend threats. Lots of shots, but each individual shot is weak and lacks good penetration. Bozar is generally better than miniguns ever are, if you want to burst people with a slugthrower.

>>154302578
>LOOK WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME NUKES FLEW

I'm pretty sure that's his point.

>>154320223
in FO1 it is somewhat effective against super mutants, but it is overshadowed by the plasma rifle and gatling laser
In FO2 the vindicator is one of the strongest weapons but you only get it right before the final boss and performs similarly to a much cheaper weapon (bozar). The other miniguns don't even scratch APA

>>154304823

Just take whatever action is appropriate for your character, Anon.

>>154320664
i think it's 8 STR for the original, but i was referring to the fact that he is holding it one handed (classic super mutant style) , even if it seems small for a minigun

>>154319789
Oh yeah, it was very exciting. Pretty much everything they said was what most older fans wanted to hear, and they delivered on it too.

>>154320839
You can buy Vindicator in San Fran from the gun shop, however I felt like Bozar had better penetration despite Vindicator firing those fancy caseless rounds. But I had shit luck so not much crits despite Sniper.

>>154321158
7 Str, I checked wiki after posting. And yeah, right, he's holding it one-handed. Hm, don't think he'd fire it like that, though.

>>154306964

http://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/105885-fallout-new-vegas-and-dlc-post-mortem-interview-part-two.html

In an interview he said that NCR was making things too civilized and he wanted to reset things.

He was actually answering a question specifically about the tone of Lonesome Road, rather than an attempt to single-handedly reset the canon, but /cfog/ ever mention that because it might get in the way of its rageboner.

>>154320264

That's the only place I know of where you can get it. Better luck next time!

>>154321686
NICE FUCKING MEME CZECH FUCKS GODDAMN SLAVS I HATE THEM SO MUCH

I'm in a fallout mood but I've finished basically everything except for tactics which I don't care a lot about

I dunno if I should replay NV on hardcore or maybe give it a little rest until Nuka World and automatron go on sale and i can get the last of my mileage out of 4

DEFINITELY not buying those full price

>>154322064
but anon why would you give any more of your shekels to bethesda?

>>154321834

You're not too far off from power armour anyway.

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>>154319525
Who cares what you like, you slackjawed faggot

This stuff'll make you a goddamn sexual Tyrannosaur

>>154322252
because i'm a fiend for fallout and as angry as I am with them for simplifying my favorite games they're still the only developer that does anything like TES/new fallout

>>154258840
I keep getting an error while trying to install my pirated copy of fallout 4.
The error is "isdone.dll it is not found any file specified for isarcextract". Anyone had a similar problem? How do I fix this shit?

>>154322276
I don't like power armor, never did.

Wow, I've just tried activating Archimedes II. The cold mechanical voice of the announcement system, huge rays from the sky and NCR soldiers running underneath like ants and getting blown the fuck out. That's a pretty powerful scene.

>>154322753
Maybe you shouldn't pirate next time ;)

But seriously, you want /fog/, not this general.

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>>154316418
I like big explosions.

>>154316418
>marching into the deathclaw promontory with mercy

name a single better feel

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>>154316418
The minigun of melee weapons

>>154322797

Me neither, but you're going to need it anyway.

>>154323998
Yeah, those constant 5-ghoul-squad encounters taught me that.

>>154264394
>>154264525
How? I play on 10 and whether vanilla or modded it crashes every 30 minutes guaranteed.

>>154324069
Try the 4gb new Vegas thing I will find it.
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55061/?
Here

>>154324519
I do use that. Like I said, modded or unmodded, it doesn't matter. It's going to crash after roughly half an hour. 4GB, no 4BG, Stutter remover, NVAC, etc. etc. It crashes. Never had this issue on Win 7.

>>154324690
Weird i dont know what to tell you

>>154324069
Compatibility Mode for WinXP

>>154324871
>Win XP
Uh, should I compatibility mode for 7 instead? I don't even know if NV is XP compatible.

>>154324984
I said XP because that's what I did, anon. I use Win10 and it literally made me never crash ever again, don't know why.

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>

>>154325069
Strange. I'll give it a shot later and report back. Do I do it for the 4GB enabler or the falloutnv.exe?

>>154325126
I did it for everything. 4GB launcher, Normal launcher, AND falloutnv.exe.

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>ask for Classic Alien Blaster a few days ago in here
>It's suddenly on the Nexus
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/62298/?

ZuSkunks, if you're in here, you da man.

>>154325121
Bethesda is the king of making fucking annoying characters.

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>>154325641

>>154325121
I bet you millennials had a crush on her.

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>>154267712
Literally the only weapon you need to carry.

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>>154325898
God I hate Sticky so much

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>>154325898
Don't talk shit, he has the best stories, the shit never get's old.
Permanent companion, never take him to big town

>>154320081
This is quite possibly the most versatile gun in the entire game. It's solid for just about everything, which is probably what they were going for. A jack of all trades workhorse.

>>154271541
In a steel town like The Pitt. Because The Pitt was fucking rad.

Isn't there some way I could get the Ghoul Mask from FO3 into NV without using TTW?

>>154271541
>Kentucky, W. Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware
>The South
What the FUCK

>>154325947
Trinnie > Bittercup

>>154326246
Literally the easiest thing in existence.

>>154259010
>I've owned NV since 2010 and put a couple hundred hours in but never played the DLC. Would this be good enough proof of high functioning autism if I wanted to go to the government for NEETbux?

>putting a couple hundred hours in the same game without much additional content is autistic

by that definition, many casuals/dudebros/etc. are autists

>>154326348
Sierra is best girl

>>154271541
THe fishing coastal town might've been a bit played out at this point thanks to Far Harbor and Point Lookout but I REALLY want a fallout game set on the alaskan coast

>Survivan
>actually hostile sea creatures
>civilian fishing hamlets
>Remnants, descendants, and emulators of both forces that fought there during the great war
>heavy weather conditions

I think it mite b cool

>>154326693
I've wanted winter fallout ever since 3 came out.
I'm tired of epik wasteland deserts.

>>154274796

Explosive runs are like a gunslinger run, but with explosive shells instead of bullets.

If you're playing with very shooty tooty combat where you die quick, it's even better because you have to actually have spot on aim.

Entering rooms with enemies inside is always interesting because you essentially run into the room screaming with a pin-less grenade.

>>154326801
I'm tired of faggots like you breathing.

>>154326801
I feel ya anon. Say what you will about Operation Anchorage, the snowy setting was cool

>>154326994
t. Desert lover

>>154326994
Rude

>>154326801
'no'

>>154326994

>how dare you suggest a change in a franchise which is unlikely to see a major change for a very long time

explain how a fallout game in a northern or arctic USA setting would destroy any of the fundamental themes of fallout

>>154327664
All fundamental themes of fallout are gone.

>>154327664
I'd be perfectly fine with a snowy setting in Northern California or Washington.

"I'm tired of epik wasteland deserts." is what I had an issue with.

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>>154325121
After all this time I've been using body replacers I can remember how bad females are in this game. She looks like a fucking dude with long hair.

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>>15432778
Wouldn't it a dynamic seasons be better? I mean, with the CURRENT YEAR tech we could experience winter and summer in a game and that would please everyone, right?

>>154327664
I bet you a Bethesda board room member said the exact same thing when making Fallout 3.

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>>154327664
Y'know, anon, If you like a series going through a drastic change that improves everything, then I have a couple games you might enjoy.

>>154328312
REEEEEE

>>154301853
>Never understood the appeal for That Gun
>Start using it while wearing a First Recon Beret with the better crits perk
>Everything dies

>>154326319
Rural Delaware sure loves to pretend they're Dixie. I saw more Confederate flags there than in Arkansas and Texas combined.

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So it's okay for walking skeleton spacemen to be canon, but not aliens?

>>154329480
Wearing a space suit does not make one a space man.

>>154329480
>corpses trapped inside autonomous armor referenced in previous DLC
>ayylmaos that caused the nuclear war in spite of the series-wide theme that mankind is the harbinger of its own destruction
wow ye these are totally the same

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One of you guys were talking up the tarantula version on the sonic emitter, and you were fookin' right, holy shite.

>>154315476
>kill her before she can give me the warning
>kill her friends
>kill her pet goldfish
>steal all their stuff
>fucking dump it in a ditch because no merchants have 12,000 to pay for all of that armor
>blow their bodies up into giblets
>leave
>three days later she shows up again with the warning

Fuck that dumb bitch. Why is it even in the game? Is it the only way to get that special "black ranger" armor everyone in the NCR is creaming themselves over?

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>>154330625
Why bother getting NCR shit when there's better

>>154329758
Mothership zeta was trash but that aliums getting control of nukes shit was cut

>>154330746
I just googled the black armor to see if it's a thing in the game and it turns out it's just the ranger armor. I thought the ranger armor was just called ranger armor or something retarded like dustwalker armor

>>154331235
The NCR version is called NCR Ranger Combat Armor.

The non-NCR version is called Desert Ranger Combat Armor.

>>154327739
The only one I know of is "let go of the past, it was basically just the same and you're making the present suck," along with a dose of analyzing what it is that makes states automatically hostile to each other. 4, notably, completely reverses the first; the only faction which represents a new form of government is also the most obviously evil faction.

>>154291420
>Do you think you guys will ever merge back together? /tesg/ mostly plays and screenshots Skyrim, but they still find the time to talk about older games.
The weekend TES general on /tg/ is much better.

I've just completed a DLC and after I returned to the Mojave and walk around it seems like I'm constantly being attacked by Legion Assassins. Could it be that they spawned in some cells, didn't get to me before I left those and now I'm "gathering" all of them? Is that how it works?

>>154296026
>camp forlorn hope
>nelson
>cottonwood cove
>searchlight
That's just what I remember from two years ago.

>>154332089
No. Enough time has passed since you were in the DLC for all the encounters to reset.

>>154320371
>Elder Lyons departed from standard procedure, leading to the Outcasts splitting off. Maxson realigned the EBoS with standard procedure, so the Outcasts rejoined.
Which is why I said it'd make more sense for Maxson to join the Outcasts. They share the same idea. Plus, what's stopping the East Coast chapter after Maxson's reforms from creating another schism? Maxson has basically gone back on everything they stand for, but for some reason they go along with it.

>
IIRC, the Pitt was already pretty fucked up when Lyons arrived, and whatever he did doesn't invalidate that the protection he provided to DC.
True, but the way to fix it isn't to purge the city clean, like what they did in The Pitt. In DC, despite being covered in raiders and lore breaking mutants, they think now is the time to help people. They also didn't do a very good job of purging the city, as Ashur managed to unite all the raider gangs back together. All Lyon's did was murder anyone in the way, and instead of finding a solution to the trogg problem, he kidnapped anyone healthy and fucked off to DC.

>>154312513
>no campaign to gain control of the legion and use them, marked men, tunnelers, the cloud, and big mt tech to turn the mojave into mordor

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Holy crap, AMR with explosive rounds is completely ridiculous. I never really was a fan of sniper rifle, but sniper rifles that fire explosive bullets are a whole different story. I LIKE IT!

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>>154303157
>Vault 68 is full of faggots
>Vault 69 are amazionian dykes

>>154332420
And I fucked up with the formatting. Brilliant.

>>154332916
>>154303157
>Vault 69 is canon

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>>154332916
>entering vault 69 leads to an instant "bad" end by snu snu

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>>154333128
>Vault 77 is canon

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>>154333606
>Vault 87 is canon

Anyone got that gif with the Chosen One riding the Highwayman and Goris riding it too?
>>154326693
I remember some guy posting something of alaska with the protagonist called the firestarter or something, does anyone copied that idea?

>>154333606
>haha le puppet man!
Bethesda wants the XD audience.

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>>154333719
This?

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>>154333714
>Vault 43 is canon

DARNIFIEDui broke my game. I uninstall it, game crashes without it. When it's installed, it'll work unless I have another mod that changes the ui at all. What the fuck do I do?

>>154333980
Learn to uninstall mods correctly desu

>>154333821
Yes, thanks anon!

Does the G.E.C.K have a timer? or does it literally require that you sacrifice yourself in order to use it?

Because I know Fallout 2 and Fallout 3, using it just kills you.

>>154334272
What do you mean by a timer? An expiration date? Or something else?

>>154334272
>Does the G.E.C.K have a timer? or does it literally require that you sacrifice yourself in order to use it?
Neither? What the fuck are you talking about?

>Because I know Fallout 2 and Fallout 3, using it just kills you.
I don't know about FO3, but I remember using it in FO2 does nothing whatsoever.

>>154334471
To start it up, obviously.

Like a camera on a tripod kind of timer.

>>154334183
Actually, I just now fixed it and yeah, I didn't uninstall it correctly.

>>154334550
If I remember, the FO2 GECK it's just a terraformer inside a briefcase, you open it and you have the items to terraform an entire city, as shown in New Arroyo or Shady Sands

>>154332420

I think your issue is you are ignoring some context. Mainly that Arthur wasn't raised by the WBoS. He was raised by Lyons, and had a severe case of hero worship and a crush on Sarah.

She followed her fathers ideals faithfully, and then died relatively young (she'll have been in her early thirties) and while in the meta it was clearly an assassination, it hit Maxson fucking hard. You can tell by how he actually fucking emotes just a little when making you a Sentinel.

He does return to the WBoS mindset by and large, but he is still influenced by the Lyons doctrine enough that it probably makes the real hardliners a little uncomfortable.

That said, the Brotherhood have never been tech-raiders as some people make them out, the Mojave branch a special circumstance. They allow a random Vault Dweller to join them, and are willing to fight the Master. It's with their help that the NCR grow, I believe. They provide vital intel and aid against the Enclave.

They aren't Space Marines. Their first goal isn't 'purge mutant, and everyone is a mutant'. That's Richardson/EDEN Enclave. And not even the rank and file are that zealous. Dornan is an asshole, but he treats you with a mild level of respect by calling you a civilian in FO2 rather than purging you.

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>It is unclear when exactly the game was going to take place. According to the summary in a design document, "almost a century has passed" since the Great War.

>The Brotherhood of Steel (in concept art, they appear similar to the Midwestern branch from Fallout Tactics), the "once silent organization", has been expanding and seizing more and more territory under their control. Their area of influence stretches as far as Alaska, where the Brotherhood's new headquarters is now located. The Brotherhood's agenda "leaves little room for the survival of radiation or FEV outbreak victims". Local humans are either drafted into the Brotherhood's ranks as cannon fodder or enslaved, and mutants are outright eradicated. It is the Brotherhood that the player would oppose during the first half of the game.

>The player controls a squad of revolutionaries known as The Cause. Throughout the game, it would gain momentum, starting in Oregon, Washington and Canada. Each reclaimed town would vow loyalty to the player's cause.

>However, after defeating the Brotherhood, the player would learn why the Brotherhood set out to Canada and Alaska in the first place. The rebels must now venture across the Bering Strait, through Russia and Mongolia and finally into China, in order to destroy the Doom's Day Missile that could obliterate what is left of America. The endgame would take place within the Forbidden City, where the Chinese Emperor resides.

>Among the factions encountered along the way would be the Issaquah Nation, the Inuits, the Montauk, the Horde of Huns, Siberian Cossacks and finally the Army of the Golden Tiger and New Imperial Guard.
Thoughts on Fallout Extreme's plot /cfog/?

My memory escapes me
How is damage decided in NV, is it based on calibre?

>>154335594

I honestly think that if they hadn't crumbled and Bethesda hadn't bought the rights, they would have successfully tanked the franchise themselves. It would have either died later, after there was any interest in relaunching the franchise, or carried on a little known and cult series like Ultima. With the same quality creep.

New Vegas was a perfect storm. It took everything good from what Bethesda can do (mainly game-style and some assets), the devs had something to prove and so put some genuine passion into it, and it was a long long awaited continuation of a story we've wanted since FO2.

Extreme its self? The name alone implies it would have been meh.

>>154336025
Yeah, and Extreme had some nice ideas too, like the Midwest BoS returning as villians (finally a game where the BoS are the bad guys), Alaska, Oregon and Washington as new places, and going to China to see how the US destroyed it with nukes

>>154336393
>Alaska, Oregon and Washington as new places, and going to China to see how the US destroyed it with nukes

See, it sounds to me like it would have been a case of overstretching themselves AND ruining the mystery.

What they delivered could never have been satisfying, on a gameplay or narrative front. For a start off it would have aged like ass, as this was PS2 era and they weren't a rich company.

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>>154335163
That's surely more of a reason for Maxson to stay loyal to Lyon's ideals and not the original codex.

If Sarah was killed by a member of the EBoS, then naturally, combined with his zealous thoughts on the codex, would defect. If Sarah conversely was killed by the Outcasts, there would be no way in hell he'd ever allow them back in, and would arguably weaken the ideology he currently has.

Regarding the Master and the NCR, it's a means to an end, similar to how the Legion operate. The Brotherhood are not doing it for the greater good of the wasteland, they are doing it more so for selfish reasons. The Enclave and the Children of the Cathedral/Unity pose a direct threat. Lyon's was already helping put in place the water purifier when the Enclave 2.0 turned up in DC.

And yes, the BoS do have an ideology which holds mutants in low favor. You can thank Dayglow and the Master for that.

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>>154267712

Gonna reinstall new Vegas
Any recommended /fog/ mods or anything?

>>154337225

Sadly, for believes she died heroically in the line of duty, and was 'taught' that Lyons methods were responsible for a lot of the strife and dissent in the Brotherhood.

I mean, he still has protecting the civilian population and purging mutants high on his list of things to accomplish in a week. He quests in an airship, rather than being a recluse in bunker. These are clearly Lyons influence. He pretty much lives and leads in the manner of Lyons purging of the Pitt.

He just doesn't get involved in prolonged land wars that the Brotherhood isn't suited for, being primarily power armored commandos with limited resources, and does make hoarding tech and hunting down important tech-relics a priority too. That, and being a Maxson, keeps the hardliners happy.

What they did with Arthur (despite being fucking apocalyptic that they bumped off Sarah off screen) is one of the things I feel they did right in FO4. And then they make him die (or be able to die) in 3/4 endings, making it practically a certainty that the tale of the Brotherhoods King-fucking-Arthur is already done and dusted and the Camelot-edition BoS are doomed to crumble over the next few games. Plus, if he didn't knock someone up between FO3 and 4, the Maxson line is over, likely because some dipshit wanted to lead the Institute or #SynthLivesMatter.

>>154337943
>/fog/ mods
Are you autistic enough to actually use the kind they use?

>>154338914
I assumed the NV fans here would been from /fog/ I dont want waifushit

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>>154337943
http://wiki.step-project.com/User:EssArrBee/FalloutNewVegas
This guide is a good start.

>>154339574
>STEP
>good
C'mon, anon. The jokes stop now.

Will creating an automatic merged patch make WMX and Gun Runners Arsenal Merged (the one by Slippyguy) work together?

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/cfog/ , I need help with my Enclave resurgence run.

I already outlined my plan to turn NV into a Enclave governed city-state with Arcade as President, and then use the Institute to give the Enclave a fresh foothold in the East in FO4. But, predictably I'm struggling in FO3. I can't decide how to handle the Main Quest.

I mean, I know my donut steel will play 'companion' and the Lone Wanderer will die turning on Project Purity like in the vanilla game, and everything after that will be a doomed attempt to stop the Brotherhood from wining the war by undermining them as a double-agent.

What I'm struggling with is how to handle the game UP until he dies. My plan (and it's all set up) is to actually play as him until his death, and then swap to Autumns daughter afterwards (and at key points like Autumns seeming death, and the capture in Vault 88.) But I've already recently done a 'standard' MQ playthrough on another run, and my very soul withers at the idea of doing it again, as the Enclave slant (which is the entire point of the run) won't even kick in til after around eight hours or more of play.

Ideas on how to handle the MQ with an Enclave slant would be appreciated, with the idea that the Lone Wanderer exists and is another character. A concept I'm playing with is following the trail of destruction left behind (dialog-less, because fuck writing a novels worth of dialog) by the Wanderer. But that is sketchy and I'm not sure would flow properly. For example, how would I have her 'join up' with him to tie her into the quest-lines post-Project Purity?

>"My daughter, my heir, will NOT cling to such childish none-sense. You are a soldier of the Enclave. You will act like it!"

>>154335881
Sort of. Guns have their own "standard" damage and that can be adjusted by skill level, chems and perks. And then ammo types can have different damage modifiers.

But all guns that have the same caliber type will almost always have the same damage range of within 10 points. Like the Varmint, Rifle, Service Rifle, Marksman Carbine and LMG. They collectively have a range from like 20-30 and they're all the same caliber.

It's like that for realism and continuity between ammo types.

>>154339656
Spoonfeed the other anon with a better alternative then.

Does anyone else ever experience NPCs somehow shooting behind themselves? Is there any fix for it?

>>154332916
>that's the real twist
>vault Tec recruited 1000 faggots and a 1000 bulldykes

>>154340531
Alright. All you need is one mod to rule them all.
JSawyer.

>>154340159
I have no idea anon, but that whole plan sounds crazy. Not bad crazy, but good crazy.

How are you pulling this off? Have you modded your TTW game like crazy to allow this sort of stuff, or are you just RPing and spawning stuff in?

>>154332420
>Which is why I said it'd make more sense for Maxson to join the Outcasts. They share the same idea. Plus, what's stopping the East Coast chapter after Maxson's reforms from creating another schism? Maxson has basically gone back on everything they stand for, but for some reason they go along with it.

Maxson probably wouldn't go for the Outcasts because Lyons' Brotherhood has far more members, equipment, and food supply than the Outcasts, who have no potential to grow in any of those areas.

I've never gone the BOS route in F4, but are Maxson's ideals different enough to cause another schism? For all we talk about the BOS reversing direction, from the perspective of the average member it probably looks about the same. They killed mutants by the bucketload and gained public support in DC, and now they're killed mutants and creepy (or paranoia-inducing) robots in Boston. If you go BOS do they start stamping their boots down on the faces of the Commonwealth wastelanders?

>>154334272

I'm pretty sure there's a timer. In Fallout 3 the suicide option is basically "let's turn it on right now for no reason whatsoever." There's no indication that's the *only* way to start it up.

>>154343141
> Lyons' Brotherhood has far more members, equipment, and food supply than the Outcasts, who have no potential to grow in any of those areas.

Not true. The events of operation anchorage have opened up a load of supplies for them, in more ways than one. Obviously the bunker they find the simulation in has lots of undamaged, pristine tech, but also yhe dead Gary clone can be traced back to its vault, and so the Outcasts now have a ready supply of pipboys and other vault accessories ready to be used.

The Outcasts are also shown to be more competent with reprogramming as they have far more robots in their forces than the EBoS. Simply find a huge stash of them, like the guy who sells you the Handy companion, and you have a new force of robots.

>I've never gone the BOS route in F4, but are Maxson's ideals different enough to cause another schism?
Depends on how many of the Outcasts rejoined the Brotherhood to be honest.