/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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Explain this shit.

Why does this guy want cut gems when I have a whole stockpile of varied kinds right next to him?

>>154115610
Are you sure that he doesn't want anything else?

>>154115610
He may want a specific type of gem. Check his preferences in the thoughts screen.

>>154115867

He does, but I assumed that the only requests displayed were the outstanding ones.

I guess I have to somehow get some yarn cloth from fucking somewhere then, despite having no grown animals and no upcoming traders

fuck

can i deconstruct dwarf clothes somehow to reclaim the cloth theyre made of?

>>154116589
No.

Is dwarf therapist still out of date?

how the fuck am i supposed to play

>>154117387

dwarf therapist will be updated in october at the lastest apparently

but the new update is v small, you definitely dont need it and its fine if you play the slightly out of date game for the moment

>>154117493
>>154117387
Or you could just not play with Dwarf The rapist.

>>154115918
That's a fey mood. If they want a specific material they say exactly what material they want.

Anyone got that image of /dfg/ in a nutshell? The one with the neckbeard whispering about kobolds. One (1) imaginary artifact bone boot to whosoever posts it.

I just almost lost my best fort. A Marsh Titan attacked, swam through my moat, climbed the walls, and started killing people. I lost 12 dorfs, with dozens more permanently injured before he finally got beaten to death.

So I'm left with a few questions:
Will I ever get a new Baron? The Marsh Titan killed my first.

Is there any way to see what the titan's poison sting did? No one who was stung survived long enough for me to see what the poison was.

>>154119739
>Will I ever get a new Baron?
Unless they changed it I believe you can promote a new baron through the nobility menu (n is the hotkey)
>Is there any way to see what the titan's poison sting did?
Try checking the combat logs, other then that I don't think so.

>>154118225
>Or you could just not play with Dwarf The rapist

I'm not that Masochistic, anon.

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>>154120296
well bait'd my friend

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>>154118628
This isn't the right one huh?

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Guys, what does this mean?

I KNOW on the wiki there's a chart for cheating returns on metal bars for crafting then melting certain things like bolts, but I can't fuckin find it. Help me /dfg/

>>154126073
Should just be under melting, but it has had changes in different versions so I have no clue if there is a fully up to date one or not.

>>154125286
Seems bad for your civ.

>>154125286
is your civ is extinct?

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>>154126191
Thanks senpai it was under melting.
On an unrelated note, I just got this from a mood without save-scumming, and I think it might be one of my favorite artifacts I've ever gotten

>>154128000
>Steel studded steel scepter

kek

Do dorfs ever recover from infections?

>>154128579
It depends on where they get the infection. If they get a broken nose and get an infection, at least in previous versions, it's a death sentence. But that's only because cartilage didn't (doesn't?) regenerate. But an infection of the arm or something can be fixed up with a little soap and time

>>154115163
Please use the updated OP next thread kthnx

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>>154118628

here you go

>>154052235
Wow, /dfg/ is a lot more welcoming to new suggestions than the actual forums, what the fuck

If I had suggested the negative level stuff in the forums I would probably only have randomdragon answer me, and he wouldn't even talk about it (maybe misunderstand it), he would just rant about toady not fixing anything

but here, I say something>Somebody answers with some clarifications>we both agree

>>154131263
Not a whole lot of us, and those of us that are here tend to be pretty chill.

I mean, when 0.40 came out everyone shat their pants and we got a flood of shitters, but things have calmed back down since then.

>>154126191
Yeah it kinda is, also weird considering an outpost came.

>>154126227
It might be. I created it on a pocket world to try some stuff out, and my expedition leader instantly turned into a king. So it might just be that my fortress doesn't have a mother civ.

>>154131481
I know, but I have been testing this for some time, in both platforms, and this is definitively the place where I can get some thoughful responses on the suggestions I ask
Heck, most of the info I use to inspire myself to write suggestions to the forums are screencaps from this general, made by myself

>>154120557
I wish there was option to have such trade agreement that Elves trade cheap wood to us so cuting it is not necessary instead just "accept quota or we will invade you with shitty armies"

Also how effective is Elf method to farm wood anyway?

Captcha - images of trees

>>154132306
I would like it better if your broker, or other noble, could negotiate with the elves the number of trees you could chop
Oh well, I guess I must wait until the law/ss arc

>>154132690
Thing I wish to see is personalities of other civilisation rulers/diplomats affecting this.
As some Elf rules would just push for war out of hatred for dorfs, treefucking fanaticism or just warmongers, while some others would prefer establish some better long term agreements to limit wood choping in long run or build better trade relationship with both civilization so Elves can profit too, or some Elf rulers would be just dorffags.

>>154133050
>negotiating with the enemy
Elves are for exploding into gore, anon.

Does Dwarf Fortress have any lewd content, and if not, are there mods with lewd content?

>>154133398

fuck off
this is not a game that needs this shit

toady is giving you his lifes work for free, why do you insist on taking a crap all over it?

>>154133108
Screw that, they are best source of exotic pets in world and hardly FUN as invaders or good source of invader reasorces (if there was at least option to burn wooden items into coal)

>>154133398
I mean you can mod in some kind of penis monster I'm sure...

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>>154133050
Yeah, generally speaking, personalities don't show up much in adventure mode
And this is something I await strongly, because personalities should affect each facet of the game
This is, ultimately, a game to tell tales, and tales' protagonists are humans(itc dorfs), human lives are governed by their personalities and their circumstances. We bother a lot telling Toady how he should change the circumstances the dorfs experiment, but we don't ask him to better the other aspect, which is as vital as making roles, entities or status
>>154133398
look up pic related
There is a mod that adds genitals and secondary sexual characters, but no snu snu for now, although some people have some very interesting ideas regarding flirting, romance and sex.
I am talking about myself

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>Start generating large world with very long history
>Leave computer for a few hours
>Come back to the world only 5 years out from being done
>World finishes generating
>Crashes immediately after generating
Well fuck you too.

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>>154118628

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What did he mean by this?

>>154135647
wtf I hate 4chan now

>>154135647
He can't stop lurking trap threads on /b/.

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I did it /dfg/, I flooded my fortress for the first time. Turns out there was a cavern river one layer above my fortress. Losing is fun I guess.

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>>154138432
>cancels give water

>>154138432
>Zan Lenndakrul, Peasant cancels Give Water: too much water.

>>154128000
If I started an adventurer and came to my fort and nabbed the scepter how effective would it be for cudgeling things to death?

>>154138432
My favourite aspect of fortress floods are the dwarfs that get stuck in their rooms.

>>154134103
I've had similar too. I've stuck with small 'n' long now.

>>154141882
S A D

A

D

>>154120557
>Osnun
It's a goblin name
wtf

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>>154142225
wtf indeed

>>154134315
10/10

>>154135647
Well, obviously you and >>154136660 just triggered my... dare I say it... trap card?

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>>154133398
>lewd content
If you think repeatedly stabbing into someone's lower body with a weapon while they are grappled into submission is lewd, then sure.
Sometimes the random generation of names and books is pretty great

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>>154143302
>Moistenedpass

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>>154143302

I haven't played the latest version, is armor wear and tear as cancer inducing as it sounds?

>>154144901
Does the idea of having a fort with nothing else to do anymore besides pick your nose while your fully geared and trained soldiers tear apart everything sound fun or boring?

>>154144901
In adventurer it doesn't seem that bad. I haven't noticed my weapons being worn and if you block or dodge your shit won't break. I've occasionally had enemies break their shitty weapons (like knives and shit) on my shield and it's nice to be able to cleave apart the enemy's armor when it's too risky to grab and rip off armor chunks.

The only negative I've had is when I accidentally bashed some guy in the head with my crutch. The wooden crutch just shattered against the iron helm and I had to crawl everywhere.

The whole adjacent body part damage is a different story though.

>>154144901
it's a nerf and a buff, since it affects both you and your enemies.
something nice is that intelligent npcs now try to remove armour from unconscious people if they're having trouble doing damage through it. so people exhausting themselves from ineffectually attacking someone's head is less common.

>>154145612
>The wooden crutch just shattered against the iron helm and I had to crawl everywhere.
kek

Is there a way to make dwarves prefer one meeting area over another? I have a massive legendary dining room that I would like to be my main meeting hall but all my dwarves just want to putter around in my shitty little library

>>154146113
That is actually rather hilarious when you picture it, huh?

>eat shit jerkass
>no, you know what
>EAT CRUTCH!
>*smash*
>oh, well shit
>*thud*

>>154146163
try making it into a tavern, so they go there to socialise. dwarves seem to only go to generic meeting areas if they are completely idle, as in 'no job'. which doesn't really happen any more once they have the option to fulfil their needs and stuff.

>>154146163
Definitely these days Dwarves vastly (VASTLY) prefer Tavern / Temple / Library over the alternatives. Super easy to make the necessary changes though to make it a good tavern, just need a nice dance floor.
Careful about Tavern visitors though, vampires can get in...

Help /dfg/ I have 60 dogs (including puppies) and am too lazy to geld and don't want to butcher them because I will cry what do

>>154147317
Send them out to battle
Give them a warrior's death

>>154147317
Get 51 more and accept the invite from an older human performer chick then kill them and blame her for it.

>>154147317
TO THE CAVERNS

Godamnit, first a vault with no way to the slab room and now a dark fortress with no way to the throne room. Is there any way to fix this?

>>154147317
Train them for war then assign them all to one soldier

>>154147536
Jump and Climb?

>>154147536
It's totally disconnected? You sure you didn't miss a staircase somewhere? Otherwise you are out of luck without dfhack.

>>154147317
train them to be war-dogs and prepare defense cage-explosions
>>154147460
lel

Talking about her, has toady said anything about dwarves having obsessions, like getting a dream goal, and actively trying to obtain it no matter why, like a mood?

>>154147606
>>154147683
I climbed to the top of the tower and there was nothing, I've checked every room for a way to climb up, nothing again. Talking about the fortress here, I figured I didn't really need the slab that much.

I'm double and triple checking everything here and there just doesn't seem to be a path there. Godamnit.

>>154133398
There's a personality trait that is tracked for all creatures that is essentially Libido, which results in such quotes-of-the-moment as "I'm feeling randy today!"
Sex is just idling together in a bedroom, though, with no mechanics or remarks from the game.

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>>154148283
>I'm feeling Randy today!

C-calm yourself Urist!

>>154148496
That's good for Randy's focus levels right?

>>154148693
>Urist cancels feeling Randy: seeking towel.

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>>154148496

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>>154148496
>I'm eating Randy today!

Mounts in fortress mode FUCKING WHEN

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what do you think of this bedroom level

the middle rooms are going to be like

fucking dining halls and shit

>>154149221
Instead of 3x3 cancer you could go with distributed stairways around the area?

>>154149509
I'm planning on making u/d stairs in the middle of the dining halls, yes.

3x3 main stairways are just aesthetic though

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>>154147536
>>154147791
N-never mind, one of the down stairs I thought was a dead-end was actually an up/down stair. Silly me.

At least this guy ain't so tough.

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>>154149947
godamnit

>>154149221
I dislike that it has different symmetry schemes on the east/west and north/south axes.

>>154150478
I'd like for it to be perfectly symmetrical on all axes too but honestly redesigning it is too much work for my tiny brain and I've been procrastinating about this fort for way too long

it's a compromise I had to make

>>154150602
But you could at least make the north and south branches mirror each other the way the east and west branches do.

>>154150745
oh my god i see what you fucking mean

that's legit disgusting

thanks for spotting that before it was too late anon

>>154149221
Rooms should be minimum 3x3 for the sake of your hard working dwarfs.

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>>154150865
Just doing my part, anon.

any way to disable flying undead? any undead bird just ends your fort instantly and they always show up within the first year

>>154152158
Add [CANNOT_UNDEAD] to every flying creature.

>>154140034
>>154128000
re-asking this because I'm curious and don't play adventure mode

>>154155208
They're awful, sadly.

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Okay, I might actually be fucked here. Trying to reach hell through the dark fortress, except it dead ends here with no further doors or stairways at all. I've let trolls and shit path all around the place and they just run back and forth between the two areas in pic related. Fuck.

Why is every domestic animal on the map suddenly distracted? I was thinking maybe it was buzzards since I've been getting them frequently but they're not here right now

>>154155208
You can attack with anything you want in adv mode. Scepters aren't weapons and don't have an associated skill, so they would use the misc. object skill. They're also very small and light, so the damage they would do wouldn't be very good, but you could certainly get kills with one. Steel is on the denser end of the spectrum for possible materials, so you could do worse. A platinum one, or a slade one if you don't mind using exploits, would be more effective.

>>154156190
They enjoy music and poetry and socializing. Not even joking.

>>154156542
So what you're telling me is some Animal Farm type shit is about to happen?

jesus christ the new manager screen is driving me nuts

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>>154156742
You learn to love it.

>>154155304
Not every dark fortress has a hell portal. ACTUAL SPOILERS: Only one per goblin civ does, the one with the slade spire that was thrust up from the depths to release the civ's original demon master.

>>154156854
Sometimes they're glitched though.

>>154156663
No. Unless the plot of animal farm included yellow flashing arrows in perpetuity with no further effects. I haven't read it in a really long time, so maybe I'm forgetting that part.

>>154156978
Page 236.

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>>154156854
>walking down the underworld spire for like 20 mins (plus time spent entering the fort and finding the spire) at snail's pace framerate
>finally get down to what look like the last few rooms
>it's a dead end

I've only ever seen one underworld spire that actually leads to hell.

>>154156854
I just got done killing that civ's leader though. The story interface tells me that this should indeed be where that very demon popped out of, but the layout of the spire blocks access.

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So i was messing around trying to make midair bridges spanning the caverns like pic related

Is there any way to get rid of these mushroom trees that just have 1 level of trunk underwater and the rest is an uncuttable 'cap'?

why is my body not healing?

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>>154160885
Must not have consumed the right type of blood.

>>154147317
Train them all for war and stuff then all in a cage hooked up with a pressure plate trap

Watch as there is an explosion of fun during the next invasion

>>154160113
Yes, but it's not easy unless you have very convenient magma access. You'll need to obsidianize the water around the base then dig into it to chop the tree. "But won't the magma just burn the tree down?" you may wonder. No, annoyingly it will not. It will probably kill the tree, but it won't burn down, and you'll just have a dead and burnt tree that still has to be chopped. I don't recall what effect dropping a cave-in on a tree has, but it will probably destroy it. You could try that if magma is inconvenient.

Anon gestures!
The thread shudders and begins to move!

I have a population of 180 and created wealth of 800,000 dwarf bucks. It's late winter of year 3, and the only enemies I have yet to see are the same kobold thief about 10 times and a few were-creatures. I know for sure I have at-war goblins as neighbors. I know armies aren't just spawned in now and existing armies have to come invade, but how is it possible I haven't seen a single (semi)megabeast or ambush or siege? Medium world short history

>>154167826
Shit takes time. 3 years isn't all that long.

>>154167826
800k isn't much. Keep producing wealth and you'll start getting sieges, assuming the gobs have sufficient forces to attack you. Also, goblin ambushes haven't been in the game for a couple of years now.

>>154170031
>>154170854
A bit after posting I got attacked by a "siege" of about 6 gobbos. Feels bad man. took 3 dwarves to wipe them and nobody even got injured. I just want some !!!FUN!!! man

>>154171413
Get used to that. Gobbos are pansies.

However on (rare) occasions they could bring something a little more formidable with them, but don't expect them to make it past any actual defenses.

>>154148496
>feeling randy
>not feeling miasa

>>154160113
Use one or more pumps to temporarily drain the part of the lake where the trees are.

>>154171413
>I just want some !!!FUN!!! man
If you're even a little competent at military management and/or defensive design then goblins aren't ever going to provide that. They never have.
If it assuages your concerns any, that's pretty standard for your first attack. They send a small exploratory force to gauge your strength, and amp up the numbers (sometimes very slowly) in successive years.

>>154172397
Yeah I know they're never gonna bring me to my knees or anything, but it's a lot more fun to watch my military fight vast numbers than it is to watch them swat down a squad like flies. If that was functioning as an exploratory force, hell yes dude that's awesome. Bring on the horde. I remember the first competent military I ever had without danger rooms fucking gobbos up just as if I HAD used danger rooms. I long for the days where I had no idea how to do military at all and my entire fort would get perforated by elves

>>154172734
Just in case you don't already know, .42 introduced some new d_init settings to control the cap of invaders. The default isn't low by any means, but I've seen people post screenshots of 600+ invading armies that weren't achievable before the setting. If you can manage to entice a force that large you might just get the fun you're after. It would require a huge amount of wealth and a perfect storm of worldgen conditions, though.

Most successful adventurer with the weakest base stats?

>create hero ratman who spawns in my fortress
>grabs specially made steel armour and masterwork spear
>finds some companions and clears the area around my fortress of monsters, bandits and elves for many leagues
>meets ratwoman bard and "marries" her (becomes companion)
>retire once more in my fortress to live a happy, simple life as guard and bard

They ended up succumbing to a fuck ton of demons from the depths but the rat man actually managed to kill a bunch of salt demons before getting blasted to gore by a fire demon explosion.

>>154174761
my elephant man took down a demon basically alone, no weapons or armor

>>154176102
What kind of demon? If its a powdery demon like ash or snow, that's not so impressive. If it was something else though..

>>154177142
a giant (butchered for 320 meat pieces) tortoise demon at the top of a tower in a dark fortress

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Crossing frozen oceans is terrifying, but it becomes slightly easier when you become a vamp, since it lets you keep a high standardised speed and sync with the upshoots.

Btw, a tip for anyone who wants to explore the caves formed by the ice: change the outdoor open space tile to look the same as the indoor ditto, that way you'll be able to tell the open space and the ice apart.

Rimworld is better

>>154177513
>playing 2d games

>>154177770
>implying Dwarf Fortress wasn't once 2D

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>>154177513

>>154156841
what the hell is a bara body?

>>154178321
google it

>>154171606
>tfw I hadn't prepared my militia
>tfw I forgot goblins now bring armor
>tfw they killed 70% of my dorfs
>tfw they also took my face

>>154178407
dawos gay nigga

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>>154178463
Excuse me sir, this is meme police. In this instance, it would be expected of you to write "mfw" instead of "tfw".

I'm gonna have to give you a ticket.

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I have a strange obsession with drawing hostile gangs.

>>154179626
Your art reminds me of Sunday comics.
It is very pleasant.

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>>154179753
Thank you.

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>>154180560

>>154133683
That picture is full of total bullshit statements though that don't even come off as embellishment, just blatant misinformation.

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>>154181130
I feel so much pride when I ruin the entire countryside, with the vulgar constructions that are seen for miles.

>>154182382
that one has a real good sense of scale i feel

What happens when you take the [MEANDERER] tag off of an animal? Will it just no longer move around after spawning?

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>>154182382
10/10 drew

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>>154115163
I'm posting boat until we get boats and fishing in DF

>>154182382
Fuck you timbuk. I love your art in stalker general, mountain blade general and now here. You are getting me into drawing again. You cheeky bastard

>>154183285
Thanks man! You should draw something and post it here. Love to see it.
>>154182683
>>154182467
Thanks! Tryin' my best.

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>>154184192

>>154182683
Do you think we'll ever get real mountains like that on the pic
I'm tired of the ones we already have, that are only twelve tiles of weight, I want truly astounishing monsters of nature like the everest in the game

>>154184974
In terms of height I usually have quite decent mountains in my worlds actually.
What could be better is the erosion mechanics though, and we really need plate tectonics (or another way to produce more realistic mountain ranges and valleys). There just aren't really any interesting formations right now.

>>154115610
burrows?

>>154183202
What about sewer systems and poop simulation?

helm is plump?

>>154133603
Don't be so prudish please. The internet exists outside the US too.

>>154188983
>tfw you'll never be able to put your dungeon underneath the fortresses' outhouses

Are beards really simulated in the game?

>>154188983
>>154191342
look up farming rebooted in the forums suggestions, talks about implementing compost and waste
>>154191151
how would you include it?

>>154177478
You're still going to get fucked by it at some point.

>>154192758
You can't have them burn off due to alcohol soaking into it atm, or grab someone by it yet.

>>154179626

If you're going for the "scratchy 70's cartoon" look, you've nailed it. Great art, dude

>>154191151
Uh, Al Gore invented it guys, super seriously, but prudishness has nothing to do with it.

Think for a second how combat logs and sex would interact, when you get done with the cringe lemme know if you still thing it's a good idea.

>you thrust your dwarven meatstick deep into the elf queen's sap covered slit
>the force twists the ovaries, severing the right fallopian tube, and the right ovary is torn away by the force
>elf queen: n-n-not so hard... dorf-senpai
>elf queen has bled to death

>>154194498
>fugging elves
have fun picking wood splinters out of your dick, anon

>>154133398
Google "Obok Meatgod" and then you'll know why most modders don't make those kinds of mods.

Finally I managed to use Legend Viewer and make it working.

But is it normal that it describe alot of stuff as UNKNOWN (like object created or characters in fortress) or sieges describing only 1 goblin attacking my fort?

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>>154133398
>inb4 goblin fortress

>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 22) the dwarf Shem Furnacedrilled was struck down by the demon Matchedplayed the Wealth of Luxury in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 23) the dwarf Bembul Lashsinew was struck down by the demon Matchedplayed the Wealth of Luxury in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 24) the dwarf Sakzul Dreamabbeys was struck down by the demon Matchedplayed the Wealth of Luxury in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 24) the dwarf Thikut Ivorystandards settled in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 24) the dwarf Tun Torchhailed settled in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 24) the dwarf Ducim Leaderboard settled in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 24) the dwarf Degel Testcudgel settled in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 24) the dwarf Rith Channelfortress was struck down by the demon Pukedreamed the Infinite Blade in Bloodcrystals.
>In 81, early summer, (Hematite, 25) the dwarf Thikut Ivorystandards was struck down by the demon Matchedplayed the Wealth of Luxury in Bloodcrystals.

Migrants arriving near end of demon invasion makes me laugh all every time.

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>can write books about every conceivable invention
>can't actually make any of them

>>154196890
...yet

I know you can mod your own civs in, but I'd still love to be able to play as goblins or something in vanilla df. I know masterwork exists but I just cant bring myself to enjoy the bloat or visuals.

Toady pls :c

>>154196890
I've seen dwarves discover screws, differential gears, scraping, bandaging, alloys, diplomacy, and animal reproductive behavior. Those all have associated objects or activities in the game. The other discoveries I've seen them make have been things like migratory patterns or weather systems; things for which an invention wouldn't have any sensible in game effect.
Can you give an example of something dwarves can invent but not make? I can't think of anything.

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>>154198123
Camera obscura for one.

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Post some gaelic tavern music, old timey scot songs and some mournful pipes and violin sounds that could possibly fit a df playthrough

>>154198123
Most chemistry, dozens in engineering.
Others wouldn't be possible without tools that currently don't exist in DF (I'd assume some astronomical topics certainly require a telescope for example).


http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Topic


In either case, it's obviously an ongoing process, and it happened to be a good opportunity to add books first and the things in the books later.

>>154198753
nothing like the Dubliners in that department

the mining themed ones are most fitting, of course:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok0I1mZg1wk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QzI_qoa1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvFqVgz1AGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wQYdmqK6Tk

>>154198396
Yeah, didn't think of that. I knew dwarves could invent it but I've never seen it happen yet. I don't know what they would actually use it for, though, at least until painting becomes a thing.

>>154199091
Excellent thanks anon

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>>154198978
I remember being amazed at the coincidence of a huge crowd of dwarven astronomers and scholars and mathematicians standing outside on a hill near a fort at night.

My first thought was "wait, are they actually making observations?" before I remembered that there isn't a skybox like that, and it was probably just a pathing glitch since they started to wander back into the fort bit by bit, but damn if it wasn't interesting to see. They even had soldier "escorts" along with them for safety.

So much shit like that in the game which takes place by accident or deliberately which is easy to miss, but damn cool when you come across it.

>>154198978
Well, we're meant to infer that dwarves have whatever tools are necessary for them to perform their labors. We don't have most of the necessary tools for most of the work done in a fort, and yet stoneworkers and cooks and farmers and smiths all get along with their work just fine.
Looking at that list, most of the engineering topic (and a few of the chemistry topics) that we don't concrete analogues for in the game either have to do with time keeping or astronomy, which I think falls into the category of "no sensible in game effect", or can be presumed to exist as components of existing workshops/buildings.
You're right about chemistry, though. Those topics are barely represented at all in the game.

>>154200495
>most [...] topics [have] "no sensible in game effect", or can be presumed to exist as components of existing workshops/buildings.
Fair enough.


Tangentially related I think it would be nice to have workshops as zones that can be further modified to specialize them for a specific subtask. So you wouldn't have a metalsmith's workshop, a furnace and so on, but instead one or several zones designated as metalworking workshop, with as many furnaces, general workbenches (i.e. a table), etc as you need.

With that, it would be nice to have to manufacture tools in some way. Not every screwdriver on its own, but maybe a "universal toolset" that can have a quality level. So you could give your workshop as many toolsets as you want.

Though in general, it's dubious as to whether there's really an advantage to that process. It's nice for make-believe, designing your fortress more detailed, and it would be in line with hospitals and taverns. You might be able to create custom workshops for special fortresses or have a general workshop with a small woodworking and a small stoneworking area for when you just start out.

On the other hand, it would mean a lot more to learn for beginners (though maybe there can be a default workshop for new players).

With this, I think it really becomes apparent how much the different timescale between adventurer and fortress mode affects these things.
It seems nice to create tools and workshop furniture one by one as adventurer, slowly progressing what you can do, but fortress mode just feels too abstract for that.

>>154133398
Check out the succubi mod.

>>154201436
Similar workshop schemes have been floated in suggestions and FotFs throughout the years, and I really like the idea of moving away from workshops-as-buildings to a more generalized activity zone system. I wouldn't mind needing to make more specialized tools and having more specialized zones, either. Different kinds of crucibles and smelters for bronze vs steel, for example. Hell, maybe even different zones entirely for bronzeworking vs steelworking, etc. Or at least I wouldn't mind trying something like that, it might end up being a huge pain in the ass.

I think timekeeping, optics and astronomy could all have interesting uses in game with future updates. Off the top of my head, I could imagine a noble position for the dwarf in charge with keeping track of the time of year. Master of hours, or Calendwarf, something like that. Appointing one lets you see the exact date, how long until the next scheduled caravan, organize planting and harvesting days, inform the fort when holidays and festivals are approaching, things like that. Maybe at high skill levels they could give weather forecasts or improve harvests. It would give a use for things like telescopes, armillary spheres, sundials and wind vanes.

I've had like 5-6 "thief! Protect the hoard from skulking filth!" events, and each time all that happens is the little grey "k" walks a little toward my fortress and then leaves the map before getting within 60 tiles of it.

whats going on?

>>154203516
The little grey "k"s are kobolds. They come to your fort and try to steal your stuff, but they run away as soon as they're spotted.

Does patience affect anything?

>>154203508
More noble - or rather administrative - positions in general could be used to abstract details away from the player, if he wishes to do so.

Just like the manager does, there could be a noble (guildmaster?) that automatically plans workshops after a zone has been designated based on a hardcoded plan.

Or a defense minister that organizes the training of new recruits, building of new armor, and so on.
I think the rapist functionality could ( and should!) be implemented in the same way.

That would have the advantage of feeling in line with how DF currently works, and work on a opt-in basis: if you don't like having control taking away from you, it's easy to just deal with it yourself. And if it's too much micromanagement for you, you appoint a noble, build him an office, and let him deal with it.

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How important is the number of weapons in a trap?

I'm trying to fill a huge pit with upright spears, but I can't fathom making enough spears to fill the entire thing with traps of 10 spears each, but I'm worried if making it with maybe 4 spears each would make it worthless.

>>154204048
I feel like kobolds are literally useless right now

They're only a threat to new fortresses, which always have people outside. They can never get into fortresses unless you have multiple entrances that aren't guarded, which nobody ever does, and as soon as they're discovered they either run away without hurting anything or instantly get killed by literally anything in your fort.

It's pretty much just an annoyance that serves no purpose. You can't even catch them in cages to use as gladiators.

>>154204518
For repeating spears, the number of attacks the trap makes is equal to the number of spears in the trap. I've never used them passively to do damage at the bottom of a pit, but I assume it works the same way.

>>154204518
Each weapon is an attack, so it really depends on if you want things wounded, dead, or super dead.

>>154204756
Yeah I agree. The fact they run away as soon as they're spotted invalidates their threat.

I wish they'd do something like, make a mad dash to the closest item they can path to when they're discovered, to at least try and loot something before fleeing.

>>154205082
Every once in awhile I get a fisherdwarf that gets stabbed by once, but they're so weak it usually doesn't do anything besides bruise them.

Playing adventure mode
Is there any way to get rid of the lag-spike that occurs after every few steps?

>>154207791
You mean when the map is loaded? That should occur far more rarely than "after every few steps".

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>>154188983
>tfw toady will never add popooo and sex because americans are retarded

>>154209887
At least he will add boats.

>>154205887
>Get stabbed
>walk away with a bruise

ebin

>>154209887
Why do you even want sex in this game? If you want porn just go on the internet and jack off to whatever? What would its purpose even be in this game apart from amping up the realism to hitherto untapped sources of pointlessness.

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>>154210957

I'm pretty new to adventure mode, made a jumping spider man. I thought this meant I was man sized, but I just got to a dwarven trading post, and dwarf sized gear is listed as large for me and I can't equip it. With that being said, is there no way for me to find armor my size? I don't know of anything smaller than dwarf gear.

>>154210957
Some people can't fully enjoy a game unless they can mod their deviant fetishes into it.

>>154213104
Kobolds. Ask around about skulking vermin, someone will point you in the right direction.

>>154213104
Did you start the game as an "intelligent wilderness creature", or did "jumping spider man" show up along with the major races? If the latter, there should be a jumping spider man population in your home civ, and then, you should be able to buy some gear from a fellow jumping spider man there.

>>154213297
That's a good question. I made this file a month ago, got his fighting and wrestling to legendary fighting random critters, then saved for later. I know I specifically picked jumping spider man from a list, so if intelligent wilderness creature is an option that gives you a random one, it wouldn't be that.

>>154213290
Awesome, thanks.

>>154210957
Not sex. But a improved reproduction system. Currently it's bettter than magical world-crossing spores of 34. but still pretty lame. I mean like a pseudo genetic trait and genealogy and shit. But If he adds that disgusting furries and ponyfags will go rampant.

>>154213290
>Find someone with a skulking vermin problem
>Tells me the region
>Its not in my region map
>Ask him for directions
>He tells me the name of someone who might know
>Ask him where that person is
>Tells me he wouldn't know

I hope this sort of thing doesn't happen as often, but I feel like it probably does.

>>154215730
If you can manage to find a noble or a soldier they might be better informed.

>>154213448
I think you'd have to be using mods for there to be a jumping spider man civilization, and choosing to be an intelligent wilderness creature gives you a list of all potential such creatures, so that's probably what you did.

>>154215730
It's pretty common.

>>154131263
>we both agree
did 4chan turn gay

>>154204075
mostly the survivability of the new players of /dfg/

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What do you guys usually do for food in the early stages of the fortress if there's nothing to hunt or fish?

>>154218773
plant and fruit gathering?
should be enough until you start farming shrooms underground, if the biome allows it

>>154210957
>Why do you want to have military, strategy and battles? just go play AoE

When will they learn that DF aims to be the most detailed story creator that has ever existed?
If something is important at making tales, it's gonna be part of a game like this
Sex and love are some of the most powerul reasons to do anything in the world, so they should play a vital role in the game

>>154218000
>I think you'd have to be using mods for there to be a jumping spider man civilization
He wasn't talking about there being a jumping spider man civ, he was talking about there being a civilized population of jumping spider men. As of .42 animal men can join civs during worldgen (and maybe after). If you have animal men visit your tavern/temple/library they came from such a population. Usually only a handful of animal man species will civilize in a world, and most of those will be in elven civs. Those will appear in the same list as other civilized races instead of the intelligent animal man list.

>>154218773
Bring extra food, eat pack animals, egg farming, plant gathering.

>>154218449
a long time ago, yes
Luckily, it's not as bad as the bay12 forums, that's what I meant with the other post

>>154214451
there already is a partial trait-selection feature in the game. mostly for hair and eye color, and the system goes a bit wierd when there are different castes that have different sets of traits available.

>>154208085
Seomwhere around 7-10 steps

>>154220419
Everything related to biology(aging, genetics, the health system) could use a lot more thoughts, and it worries me that Toady never adresses this

>>154207791
There is a map loading when you cross about 48 tiles but it's a pretty brief pause unless there is a ton of shit in the next embark tile.

Are you in a huge town or dwarf fort? World-gen forts are horrible lagfucks now that all the dwarves down in the lower levels want to come upstairs to visit the tavern/library and vice versa.

>>154215730
You want to find someone with a flashing tile, whether a soldier or noble or regular schmoe like a farmer or mechanic or something, it is generally the "this is an important histfig" cue, and they will usually be better informed.

If you're out wandering around and see an * moving across the map in a single direction, particularly ones which don't trigger an ambush, drop out and see if it is a soldier or bard or whatnot, soldiers traveling like this will almost always be treasure troves of info, performers and such are still usually well informed.

If you can find a town or whatnot with a tavern, tavern keepers are always super well informed, and if they don't know specifically where things are, they'll probably give you the name of one of the soldiers in the tavern who will be well informed.

>>154218773
Gather a bunch of plants
Dwarves will eat them and give you a ton of above ground seeds
If you have a huge rock layer just farm above ground for awhile to get your food reserves up (Assuming you have soil)

Other then that start digging my friends

>>154220419
The fact that in all these years he never made liquids moddable or added more kinds of liquid worries me that he doesn't give a shit to
>boats
>sewers and disease
>biology, farming and irrigation

>>154222594
Can I sustain my dwarves on purely plump helmets?

>>154222974
Of course
it's the main source of a dwarfs diet
with high amounts of testosterone it's the perfect bulwark of your fortress' nutritional needs

>>154222752
>boats
He definitly cares about boats. He used to be a member on the forums of Pirates of the Western Seas, a 90's graphical roguelike which shows pretty well how the movements of large ships can be emulated in a tile-based game. So boats are definitly high up on the list. Remember that the final goal for adv mode is for it to become a decent, playable version of Daggerfall.

>>154222974
You can, but they do complain about having a lack of variety of food/drink

>>154223886
>Remember that the final goal for adv mode is for it to become a decent, playable version of Daggerfall
I haven't played daggerfall, but I don't think it's what DF is supposed to be

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>>154222376
No.
Just walking through mountains and plains and such.
I'm in adventure mode.
I assumed it was normal until my patience wore out.

>>154224587
I've played the shit out of daggerfall and agree with you completely. They have almost nothing in common outside of more-or-less-tolkienesque mediaeval fantasy settings.

>>154225631
>climbing
>huge RNG'd cities
>justice system(adv mode doesn't have it yet, but as of the justice release, it will)
>plus, the mood
I still think the two are pretty much alike. Even more so once DF gets boats.

>>154226093
I mean, we all have that game we fucking love, and that we want to be part of DF, because DF, well, aims to contain everything, but even if DF can/will be everything daggerfall is, that doesn't mean they actually look alike for shit for now
>the music
That I know I prefer daggerfall to DF

The game doesn't recognize saved worlds I put in the folder, only those That I created myself
Anybody has this problem?

>>154218449
"4chan makes you gay" was a fairly common sentiment around 2006 or so, maybe we've come back around to that.

>>154225106
Hmmm, large outdoors areas you're probably not so much getting a lagspike as you are noticing the blips when it goes from FPS:89billion to FPS:300 briefly as it loads a new set of embark tiles.

If you want to see exactly what I mean, stand somewhere and look around you and see how far you can move the cursor, then move in a given direction until you see the screen stutter for a second and see how far the cursor goes now, if you pull up the construction screen you can also see how the 3x3 block you are in originally changes as you move far enough until you're over in a different 3x3 block and so forth.

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>>154222974
Yes, for at least a few years.
>>154227052
I've had that happen when I try to use saves from an incompatible version, but not otherwise.

>>154219473
If they play a role in dwarf fortress, it would only be as motivators to do something, sort of in the same way as people's (currently useless) life goals. They should either remain as background flavour to spur people to kill or betray people, or form allegiances through love. If it was included in the visceral sense some imagine, it should be kept as a way to procreate and pass on genes, and remain as difficult to control or uninspiring as forcing two dwarves to be friends.

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>>154223227
Those plump gainz

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These farms are 2 tiles away from each other

the top one has shitty crop options, the bottom has TONS

whassup?

>>154229914
Top tier mate.

>>154229914
>elf girls
>useful for anything other than being turned into charcoal and used to fuel my metal industry

when will this meme die

>>154230137
Maybe different biomes, has one been exposed to the surface?

>>154230137
It's partially above ground, and so can grow above ground plants. I bet there's a hole in the roof(even if you sealed the hole, the tile will keep its above ground status).

>>154230137

one farm is on fertile soil,

the other is shitty clay.

this ain't rocket science, dingo.

>>154230409
>this ain't rocket science, dingo.
You're right about this part, which makes it even more ironic how extremely bad you fucked up in the rest of the post.

>>154230137
The bottom one counts as being on the surface, the top one counts as being underground.

>>154230409
I hope you're trolling.

>>154230242
>Look at how edgy I am! I can talk about imaginary people like I imagine the Nazis would!

When will this meme die?

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>>154230907
>defending Elves in /dfg/

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>>154230907

>>154231436
If you look at my post again, you might notice that I didn't say anything about elves, only about the behavior demonstrated in one of the posts I was replying to.

>>154231473
I entirely agree with the text in that image.

>>154232071
kys retard

>>154229892
I agree completely with you, There is no much need to show anything but two dwarves flashing a heart while sharing the same bed
I don't want a sex report page like the combat one, I want sex to exist and become something real in dwarf fortress
A fantasy world where you can shag the queen, and have armies sent before you when your king discovers the adultery is really appealing to a lot of people

Really, no need to have sputters of cum in the walls or anything, but allow for consensual and non consensual sex to exist for the sole purpose of realism and catharsis into the game

It would add soooo much, in terms of inmersion, though I agree several psychology updates will be needed to make it not look like a trainwreck of a system

>>154232071
>>154230907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPhXA2zHCU

>>154232071
Come on man, it's all in the spirit of fun to emulate how the dwarves might see those pesky tree-huggers. I imagine it gets tiresome but eh, its part of the fun in playing df, using your imagination to bring life to the little smiley faces standing next to a blood soaked trade depot.

>>154232351
In fortress mode it sounds fun, but i have no idea how it would work in adventure mode without having to read some cringy shit in the text, and the major hassle of unequipping everything and reaquipping for a hasty exit out the royal window.

FUCK

lads im COMPLETELY out of beer and beermakign materials, and my animal well just ran dry

how do i make some emergency alcohol?

>>154232959
Gather above ground plants
Dig for the caverns and pray for water
Hope a caravan shows up?

>>154204518
>>154204762
>>154204876
also remember that the quality of mechanism and weapon still count towards accuracy and effectiveness.

a set of 10 masterpiece serrated discs in a masterpiece mechanism weapon trap is about as good a weapon trap as you can get...
untill it gets jammed with a body part; then it's completely useless until cleaned. (1 trap with 10 parts vs 10 traps with 1 part)

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>>154232839
well, some anon has already tried imagine a satisfactory system for flirting an relationships in general
You judge

>>154233179

based human traders just brought it in

bought 275 units of beer from them, which saved me from a tantrum spiral

phew

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>>154233316
>trading on equal terms with literal mudhut-dwellers
fuck oomans, you should jst have seized their stuff

>>154233569
Humans are bro-tier in the df universe, keep your bigotry out of this thread you devil.

>>154233295
Ok nah, this just convinced me I definitely don't want to see this in adventure mode.

>>154233295
The dialogue in that image actually isn't flirting though, its straight up dirty talk/sex stuff. You can have tasteful/romantic flirting too.

>>154233896
>Humans are bro-tier in the df universe

> values can be between +30 and -30
> slavery is "acceptable"
> no steel, rarely iron

bronze-age human culture ain't "based" ya shitter

>>154232605
I don't object to a little good natured joking about aboveground wooden fortresses being too elf-like or whatnot; as that is in line with what I imagine dwarves might think of it. But it does indeed get tiresome if every time anyone mentions elves or anything remotely related to them in any way other than some form of "I hate them so much, I wish I could disembowel them all, but without getting any filthy elf blood on me, since it, along with everything else about elves, is so inherently abhorrent to all right thinking people, unlike the blood of every other living creature, which I also enjoy spilling in gratuitous quantities" someone has to post some similarly edgetastic version of such, along with insulting the person who failed to do so in the first place. And that's not the way I imagine the dwarves being, nor do I think it's the way Toady does, as evidenced by the fact that they don't kill elves on sight and in fact are happy to engage in trade and diplomacy with them. I'm sure it is the way some people like to imagine the dwarves, but they don't have to be so annoying about it, just like I don't have to be annoying about projecting my version all the time. It really does feel like half the people who do this are kiddies who would be on /pol/ talking about gassing kikes if they were allowed to go to the 18+ boards by their parents and the other half is doing it for no particular reason except to fit in.

>>154234028
>>154234185
well, it was just some try from my part, gee
I'm genuinely ineterested in other anon's flirting system
was it that bad, what did/didn't you like

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>>154235000
I agree, we need to talk about how to disembowel and burn goblins in the best fashion more often.

>>154235000
I can't believe you're such a butthurt little autist you just wrote all that because memes make you screech like a little piggy

>>154234028
i dunno why it has to be presented in a combat text type style necessarily. is there much point in establishing a romantic tone anyway? when at any time you could just stand up over your partner and jump kick them into a wall.

i feel like it could be made as vague as 'You spend some time with [waifu]' and skip some time via fast-travel map. ideally some kinda middle ground could be struck to allow for some interactivity. without being embarrassing to play.

>>154235163
Oh I don't think its bad in itself, I just feel it isn't "flirting." It's pretty plainly dirty talk. And as such it ain't bad, I just feel it isn't really flirting. Like, that's the stuff you say after you're in a relationship, not when you're trying to woo someone in a tavern.

>>154235376
Yeah, on second thought, when I imagined the situation that I was 'describing', Im pretty sure they were already a couple

I actually wrote that screencap long ago to experimentate a little bit with non verbal communication, and some rather primitive real communication system, so yeah, I kinda misused it earlier, you're right

>>154235338
That would be sufficient for adventurer dynasties.

When is toadying going to bring sparring back?

It's like he loves to mock us by making this super complex medical system, only to remove the one thing that prevents your doctors from getting rusty.

Normal military training is so boring right now.

>>154235285
Wow, you're right, I really should be ashamed of myself for typing more than 140 characters at one time, and even more so for having any actual opinions about anything. I shall go hang my head in shame as I eat my dinner now. Hopefully that will appease you and I will be allowed to take part in your cool kids club again when I get back.

>>154236113
???

>>154235338
I'm now imagine a sex game that's as complex as combat, with stuff like arousal meters and sexy talk dialogue options.

This is incredibly amusing to me.

>>154236113
Dwarves spar now. You mean sparring injuries? Hopefully never.

You can assign your doctors to scholar positions, and not only will their skills not rust, they'll improve. Works for mechanics too, if you can't keep them busy.

>>154235338
>>154236345
I mean, in a story, some things are explicitely shown, and some of them are not, an are fast-forwaded, but that should be left entirely to the player
although the great fun of adventure mode is achieving things yourself, no just hitting a button and going forward to the point where you marry the girl after having slain the dragon.
Although, similarly to a book, you can retire the adventurer to the time being after his story is over, the things you do in adventure mode should be done by yourself, and that includes knowing and having relationships with people

I wish there was more info on topics on the wiki. I mean what effects each form of research unlocks.

>>154236256
>>154236367
Fuck I've been away for so long

Sorry I guess I've been hanging around with Elves too much

What days are the three different events toady is gonna visit this month?

So what kind of shit do you do for your nobles, dfg?

I'm planning on filling my future noble's tomb with statues of my militia, a la terracota army, so he's always protected from evil.

inb4 a lever in his room

>>154245767
I do an egyptian thing and fill their tombs with gems, coins, gold and silver, weapons, etc.

>>154245767
Schedule them for some naked wrestling with some angry cave ogres then dump their bodies in magma.

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>>154229914

Tell me about gremlins

>>154255980
You shouldn't have fed it after midnight. Keep it away from water.

Any good lets plays to watch? Just something worthwhile before I go to bed at night.

>>154258647
Before you go to bed you should shut off monitors and tv's and probably just read a book

>>154256893
What about gorlaks?

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Well, it is doable to build submerged volcano homes without them being drained via glitch, was even able to make a cavern access staircase (the lower of the two) by caving in a floor through a section where there was magma right underneath.

I can't drain water into the magma layer sadly, all the lakes in this camp are too far above the magma, but there's a magma pool I was going to use as a backup entrance if I couldn't find a closer one.

The whole area here was submerged and bit by bit I cleared it with water dropping via minecart reactions (and a macro cause fuck doing it that many times manually) and in several cases literally swimming on the lava flows while dropping water as it destroys magma just fine down there that way.

Used caveins from above to get cleared out space, ice floor drops to alter the shapes some, happy enough with how it is, but I wish I could find a spot where I could punch through into hell. There's a candycane right under one of the cavern lakes but I don't see any spots I could get a collapse set up to try and breach it.

>>154250292
You the same anon who did the plump gains?

>>154236113
>When is toadying going to bring sparring back?
What did he mean by ths?

>>154261283
You can feed them whenever you want. They enjoy soapy baths.

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>the bay12 modding subforum

>>154235338
While I agree too much interactivity would be cringey to play, I'm not convinced the classic fade to black is fitting in this game. I guess wooing someone could use similar methods to debating, and that would be fine for gaining a mate and stuff. The problem comes comes when the game has to let you know the two ascii characters have just fugged, without it being crass. Maybe the solution is just copying what happens when you dance or sing. The two characters find a bed, flash on it, and the text says "you conclude your performance".

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post 'em

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>>154265415
>cropping the name out
>not showing the description
nice job

I'm really 'mirin' that price tag

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>>154265415
this was worth like 1,300,000 dorf bucks

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>>154265352
>I engaged in satisfying coitus with Urist Thunderbone, how exciting!

>>154265415
>accidentally kill one of my dorfs digging out a cistern
>didn't see they were dead, just wounded
>couldn't find them
>used dfhack to locate them but they wouldn't move
>healed them up
>find their body later
>wut
>get curious about it
>trigger a fell mood
>nish gets turned into a bone crossbow
>resurrect her again
>hmmm
>another fell mood
>nish gets turned into a weapon rack or armor stand, forget which
>hmmm...
>bring her back again
>assign her a crossbow made of her own bones to train with
>have her squad assigned at another artifact made of her bones
>she must be really tired of all this by now

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>>154267028
>Oh... uh, hey there Nish, I didn't know you were... uh, around.
>Wait, isn't that your coffin?
>Oh it is? I thought we put someone in there though.
>We did!?!? Who, how did we get the wrong... wait, say that again?
>That's your body?
>O-oh... I'm gonna uh... go puke for another reason now.

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>>154267179
>>154267028
>squares

>>154267303
I WAS NEW OK, I DIDN'T KNOW BETTER

>>154267672
>was
sure thing buddy

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>>154267303

>>154267795
but... but... ok.

Dwarf recieves succ from elf

>mfw

>>154268949
So, were are half-dwarves half-elves gonna be in-game?

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>superior strength and superior toughness
>night creature knocks me unconscious with a single punch to the head anyway
>THREE THOUSAND (3000) ANNOUNCEMENTS OF HER TRYING TO BITE MY HEAD OFF
TOADY FIX THIS SHIT GAME I JUST WANT TO BE A CUTE GIRL AND SLAY MONSTERS

>>154269465
hey man you try punching a cute girl in the head see how she takes it

>>154267303
what's wrong with squares?

>>154269465
-4 strength is real

>>154270569
Wait is that actually a thing in game? Does the gender affect stats?

>>154270767
not for now, could easily mod it thou

ITT: ACTUAL rectangular tileset users

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>>154271217
Someone light the NonSquare Signal?

>>154270886
Im a retard, I forgot about that -4 strength outrage from that DnD patch.

>>154250292
Upper body on the right guy is too big. The perspective is a bit fucked. I still saved it though.

>>154272749
>The perspective is a bit fucked
Nah, they're just smiling to the camera. Too bad they're wearing helmets.

>>154272416
And who would answer the call? The Bizarrely Proportioned Avenger? A Knight of the Oval Table?

Is the 3x3 stairway being bad just a meme or does it actually cause problems?

>>154273995
complete and utter meme
Temperature causes a thousand times more lag, and as you know, temp isn't that bad

>>154273995
>does it actually cause problems

it looks awful and my visual space is ruined

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>>154273706
>implying squat little squares are somehow superior
I feel the need to laugh haughtily now.

What is the optimal staircase?

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>>154275092
A pretty rampcase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR1zsvZGrl8

>>154275398
not this again

>>154275092
optimal for what?

>>154275092
Anything more than 3x1 is unnecessary, but I say just go with whatever you think looks cooler.

This board might be slow, and dead, and filled with autistic dwarf fortress players, but honestly, you guys are pretty cool. Thanks for being less shit than I expected.

>>154277397
A/S/L?

Please respond

>embark
>fantastic area, loads of coal, iron, trees etc
>play for a while
>my three designated creatures are fucking garbage monkeys, badgers or someother worthless rodent

Why the fuck is there only 3 types of animals allowed per map its so fucking stupid, literally had to embark 7 times in a fucking row in a jungle just to get an actually interesting animal like a tiger and the area was total dogshit

>>154277425

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