/edg/scg/ - Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous General #38

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New(ish) Microtech Concept Art

>>153807483
What's CIG's lore justifications for sweep wings? I've always been more of a style > realism guy anyway, so I love the look, but I'm always interested in seeing how they justify things.

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I just can't not post this in every new thread. So fucking good.

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>>153804601
Looks like the inbred and obese cousin of Saberfish.

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Terrapin is best! BEST!

>>153808917
Wholly fuck, now they're going to do Mad Max better than the Mad Max game?

guys, what if the Kr'Thak are a super hot alien race that the Xi'An are trying to kill off? What if the Xi'An don't want us contacting the Kr'Thak because we'd fall in love with them and the Xi'An would not longer have us all to themselves?

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>>153809801

I like player interaction and contextual pvp but I don't like to open myself up to people who just run kill squads for no reason but for the sport of it when I'm in something that sucks for pvp

What do? I like SC and ED and I'm speaking generally here

Reposting from the last thread because I didn't see it'd gone over to the new one

>>153810253
Play ED, you can go "offline"

>>153810416
I don't want to go offline, really. I just also don't want to just get murdered for no reason (actual piracy is really cool) when I'm carrying 1/4 of my net worth in cargo

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>>153808793
Well, the wings themselves are suppose to be heat sinks/radiators. And the Vanguard's wings originally had mav thrusters on them and so they'd move based on it's flight mode. But as for why they move, fuck if I know. Because CIG's favorite planes are the A-10 and the F-14. So every ship has a big ass gun on it's chin, sweep wings, or both I guess.

>>153810505
>I'm a sissy, I can't play game

?!?!???!?!?

>>153810505
I think there might be private groups with PVE only rules? You'll have to check it out.

>>153810546
for sure getting slaughtered for no reason when you're in a type-9 by 3 pythons is

>GAMESCOM TROPHIES FOR SALE

my god, they're really squeezing you people

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>can't just right click on the destination at the mission board and set destination
>STILL have to load the galaxy map to do it

Do they just try to make things as tedious as possible or are they just incompetent?

>>153810816
muh immersion

>>153810505
>I just also don't want to just get murdered for no reason
But they do have a reason. The risk of attack is to encourage you to either hire an escort, (both as a money sink and to give fighters a job) or chose to fly a ship that holds less cargo but is better able to defend itself.

When is the shitty RSI website getting fixed?

Is it getting fixed?

Please tell me it's getting fixed.

>>153810758
On one hand, it's shameless. On the other, I can't really blame them for milking stupid people for all their worth.

>>153811018

im at about $6000 usd spent total. i sold some ships on the black market but for the most part i kept all that cash in my account in either ships or uec or just stuff

i make over 120k a year as a software developer, i have no kids, no gf, so nothin to do but spend monmey


could you call me a stupid person for funding a game that I really think I would enjoy?

>>153811131
sure

i just dropped in on, literally ON, an Imperial Interdictor

What the FUCK is going on in LFT 133

>>153810674
Why are you going to CGs in a Type 9?

>>153810858

I could believe it, but really?

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>>153810253
>hire an escort

>>153810253
Go to the core and become a rock collector

>>153811131
yes.

What's the refresh time on mission boards?

>>153813675
24 hours

>>153814116

kys

>>153811131
It's your money and people spend that much in a year on shit that's just as frivolous. Coke, parties, skydiving, fucking Warhammer

Though to be honest if I was in your position I'd probably fund some of my friends who were stuck in shit jobs to get an education or whatever.

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>>153814156
kissu to you too anon

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sorry for the /agdg/, but if I wanted to make a space game where would be a good place/engine to start?

>>153814252

As admirable as that is you do have to exceedingly careful about who you do it for.

You /don't/ wan't to become known as 'that guy with money who gives it away like candy'

Fuckers come out of the woodwork asking for all sorts of shit, getting all emotionally manipulative and cracking the shits if you don't pay up.

Never underestimate greed, it is infinite.

>>153811131
>>153814252
I'd buy property in the country side and a boat

but that's just me and I'm 3/4 normie

>>153814535
>Property anywhere
>Under $6000 USD
Fucking where? I'm genuinely curious, because I doubt you're talking about anywhere in the United States.

>>153809801
Always thought it'd be funny if humans were under quarantine by aliens because our pheromones make every one of us an irresistable Captain Kirk to them.

Which would be a lot nicer if most of them didn't look like giant starfish.

>>153814476
Unreal 4?

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>>153814624
I'm just talking about disposable cash, but you could probably get a small lot for 6k in Costa Rica

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>materials hunting in a Cobra
>suddenly muh BIG HAUL, etc
>it's an FDL
>appeared right behind me, interdiction imminent
>Federal Security Service in an Elite Anaconda right in front of me
>fuck it
>interdict the po-po
>pull him out
>he mad, scans me
>dindu nuffin
>FDL shows up
>Annie scans him and starts wrecking his shit
>join in, free 200K bounty

>>153809648
>tfw a whole Mad Max planet

Fucking witness me, brother.

>>153814792

Or Detroit

>>153814535

I already own a 30 foot catalina sail boat so... heh.

>>153814476
Hellion, House of the Dying Sun and Kerbal all use Unity. Also while not a game the NASA/JPL Eye on the Solar System uses it.

>>153814482
I'm super introverted so I only have a few close friends, so I think it'd be fine. I'm an autistic neet anyway but I share the disposable income I have with friends worse-off than me.

>>153814535
A house in the country with a fibre connection, a lan room, and a few bedrooms (as well as some private living space for anyone who wants it) for buddies would be basically be the best thing ever.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/50zh5r/the_rumor_was_right/
It just keeps happening

>>153815626
>fanfiction

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>>153814902
Absolute madman.

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>>153808636
I want to fuck Microtech

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>>153818339
grab whatever apple product you have lying around
stick it in the freezer for 5 hours
pull it out and put it in ;^)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrXsbRh6k8

People in the Star Citizen thread on the Elite forums actually take this seriously
Poor Ben Parry has to hold the line all on his own

F

>>153819078
>all on his own
There's usually a revolving door of SC fans that try their luck in there.

Ben's great though he's the only one in there that has inside knowledge of both games/companies. Even if he is careful what he says.

>>153819171
Ben also said he regularly checked the 4chans back when he was at Frontier.
What if he still does?
What if you are Ben?
Hi, Ben.

>>153819452
Yes I'm Ben. Ask me anything.

>>153819502
Why the blue hair, Ben?

>>153819502
do you stick a wacom pen up your butt for motivation?

>>153819534
He's a programmer not an artist you idiot

>>153814912
I swear, if planetside is good we could spend days or weeks just fucking around on planets making settlements, riding around in rovers and hover bikes.

You could have a whole gang of raider pirate bikers hooping and hollering as they ride around raiding settlers and towns if enough players settle one planet.

It'd be like a scifi western/Mad Max shit on a desert western planet.

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>mfw I spent 10 hours just traveling around in ED, scanning and exploring
>check out the Orion nebula
>Black holes and Neutrons
>check out Messier 87
>it's fucking nothing
>trying to head back
>Col 70 is in the way, have to bypass via lower Witch Head
>mfw when I have been doing this with Econ routes

Why is this so engrossing? It's not fun, but I can't stop.

>>153819990
Are you an astronomy nerd? I find ED exploration is a bit more interesting when you go out and have a look at the shit you read about in a textbook.

That said
>Econ route
Madman

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>>153819078
Holy shit! This guy is a piece of work.

>>153819593
it works either way

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>>153820073
Kinda. Definitely an amazing subject, so I suppose you are right.

Space blog:
I did enjoy that Betelgeuse was a larger red giant. Was not expecting it. Got to check out the Pleiades up close. And my trip to California was interesting.
I think a little over 550 jumps in one day. Would have been more but I had to bypass a few dark sectors, and a couple locked ones.

This is an odd 'game'. So empty and little to do really, but it's captivating at the same time. There really is no end goal, only death if you mess it up.

Also, I never though plotting routes, looking ahead to avoid dangerous jumps, and the feeling of endless brown dwarfs could be so entertaining.

Where do I go from here?
>Been playing Elite for a good few hours
>I've done maybe 2 missions tops
>Otherwise the entirety of my time has been spent Bounty Hunting in RES
>Built up to a Viper MkIV, I think I prefer tankier ships over fast ships
>1.5mil in the bank

Just not sure what to do or even how to begin other ways of playing. I'm enjoying bounty hunting, at least.

>>153819078
I don't understand what this video is trying to prove to me. So the stream cuts perspective a lot so it was all bullshit? I'm confused.

>>153820886
Take part in the bounty hunting community goal?

You can slowly start getting into things. Get yourself introduced to the mechanics and see if you can get some nice RP going.

Do you have Horizons?

Played ED for like 400 hours now, haven't touched either game in months.

Started playing star citizen with my free ship yesterday and after I got the control scheme working which was a total mess, it seems pretty cool. Looking forward to what comes in the future.

>>153820886
You could do some bounty hunting for the current community goal, you'll make some extra money that way. Then you could move up to a Vulture. You can find it from the mission board or galaxy map.

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>>153820701
>Also, I never though plotting routes, looking ahead to avoid dangerous jumps, and the feeling of endless brown dwarfs could be so entertaining.
Well they're giving stars another art pass next patch. Which is nice since you see a fuckload of them as an explorer.

>>153821040
>>153821186

Good idea, I'll check out the community goal.

Also no, I don't have Horizons, I decided to just get the base game to check it out. I've not really had any reason to need the Engineers or go down onto a planet yet, but I imagine I'll be missing out a lot when Fighters come out.

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>>153821370
Honestly fighters will be fun for a bit but probably not that great in the end.

>>153821016
Haven't watched that video but desu I did find it fishy that they said approaching a planet was seamless and then proceeded to focus the camera on the front of the ship for so much of the descent. At best they were hiding pop-in.

>>153821512
I figured I'd be losing out on damage regardless of fun-factor.

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>>153821637
I guess. Though only if you're flying one of the big three.

>>153821825
So, overall Horizons isnt really worth it unless you wanna do planetary stuff? I'd love to go exploring on planet surfaces but not for 20 quid.

>>153821990
It's only on planets with no atmospheres, too

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>>153821251
That's good to hear. I will probably set a course to VY Canis Majoris and later VV Cephei.
Maybe when I get bored, head over to Sagittarius A*.
Can't wait to see things after the art change.

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>watching the caterpillar video
>all those modules

I'm getting one and turning it into a mobile brothel. I'm going to have the armory and docking collars in the back and all the bedrooms in the front. I'll have someone sit out front where the opening is and solicit players when we land on planets or greet people at the docking collars and show them into the rooms where the "girls" will be.

And by girls I mean feminine sounding traps.

>parked at some planet around a settlement, front door opened on the caterpillar with a flamboyantly dressed greeter lounging around in a chair.
>"Hey pilot, looking for something?"
>"Whatcha selling?"
>"Comfort."

Does elite have a roadmap for development yet? When can we expect to be able to walk around?

>>153822114

It won't take long for people to realize your pirate scum if you trap players and rob and kill them asshole. This is why people want pve slider.

4channers are fucking scum.

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>>153822067
That thing's a monster

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>>153822067
>>153822442
Note the distances. I'll have to head back with VR when I finally get a set.

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>>153822359
>4channers are fucking scum.
Why are you even here?

>>153822230
FDev doesn't give dates until they're fairly close to release. Everyone says season 3 but FDev haven't confirmed anything.

>>153822359
Not that kind of trap. Are you old enough to be here?

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>>153822359
>pirate
>trap and rob

Wrong type of trap my friend. We're not in the business of robbing anything except innocence.

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>>153822442

>>153822757
i want to put my penis in that

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>>153822359

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>>153814902
>You are scan is clear
What did he mean by this?

>>153821512

The Taipan seems like it defeats the purpose of being a snub fighter by giving up mobility for tankiness. Unless those shields are absolutely amazing it like trading up a wet tissue paper for a slightly less damp one.

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>flying around in my clipper
>guy in a python interdicts me, I ask what's up and he instantly fires on me
>Fly past him and keep going until 3km out
>Laugh at him from a distance and jump out
>Interdicts me again, instantly fires again
>I fly past him again until 3km
>He says his whole stream is laughing at me
>I jump out again
>Go to twitch
>See his twitch channel has the same name as his CMDR
>Stream titles "trying to make players rage"
>2 viewers
>go into chat
>nothing in the chat history
mfw

>>153819983
>settlements

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So beluga's going to be longer and thinner than an anaconda. And the panther clipper is going to be longer than the beluga while being as wide as a type-9. I'm guessing two panther clippers won't be able to use the docking entrance at the same time. Also afraid to ask how much a panther clipper is going to cost if it's size is MAXIMUM. The cutter already costs over a billion A rated and the panther's twice the size.

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>>153823921
Chris mentioned being able to possibly create player settlements when talking about the new planet system. He even mentioned farming.

If this game has even half the shit he throws out there it'll be amazing.

>>153823921
All they'd need to do is come up with some prefab settlement structures, maybe modular.

I doubt it would be as hands on as it would be in a game like Ark, Rust or Minecraft. Probably more like having a company come in and build it for you or something to your specifics.

>Squadron 42 officially delayed
welp

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>>153824017
I already live on a planet, it sucks. I want spaceships and live on an even bigger space ship or possibly an asteroid colony.

>>153824124
This is news how?

It's been delayed for 2 years. At this point it'll be out when it's out.

>>153824162
The latest word was 2016. Personally I don't mind that much but I'd have loved to play it by december

>>153824140
>live on an even bigger space ship or possibly an asteroid colony.
literally all of those things are already in the game

>>153824140
I want to live on an alien world that's a full planet I can have adventures around. So when I finally do go into space it's a big deal, like in Outlaw Star.

Plus, if I can gather resources and make money planetside it'll save on spaceship fuel.

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>>153824107
Helion's doing base building by just having space station modules left in orbits, players fix them and link them together. Pre-fabs would probably be fine.

>>153824124
Wasn't the latest """plan""" at the start of this year that the first episode would be released at the end of this year?

If they're releasing the whole thing in 2017 that won't be so bad.

Bulkier SRVs WHEN?

Fucking hate this shit ass useless cargo capacity

>>153824107
I unironically think Fallout 4's approach would be the best compromise between dev time and functionality.

>>153824275
You'll get some bitching from non-backers though

>>153824356
I want a skimmer SRV, fuck rocks, it's 3302 where's my flying cars already?

>>153824017
Well it's a pure freighter without any bells and whistles, so I wouldn't expect it to be any more expensive than the big three. Look how much cheaper the T-9 is than ships of comparable size.

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>>153824269
would be cozy if this would your ship for heading into space and doing some trades

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>Good single-seater
>Best cargo capacity in its class
>Still maneuverable
>Great firepower
>Decent speed
>Second player can assist
>Can transport a dragonfly
>Can walk around in it
>Comfy
Why didn't (You) get the best ship?

>>153824275
The 'first episode' IS the whole thing. Each ep will be a full game.

>>153824502
Isn't it a two seater? Actually three if you count the rear turret.

>>153824502
I got the omega free with my GPU and I'm waiting for the game to release to unlock them all in game.

>>153824527
An episode isn't a full game. They had planned on releasing SQ42 in chunks they called episodes with new possible campaigns (for the alien races) in the future which would be separate from SQ42 (although may build on the storyline)

>>153824356
>>153824439
I want something bigger and badder. Maybe something like the Mako in Mass Effect.
You know, something for a Federal Dropship to drop. Just make it take up more slots in the vehicle bay. and cost 50-100k.

>>153824620
CR literally said each episode of Sq42 will be a full game experience.

>>153824614
Sensible choice.

>>153824557
I think you can operate it at 90% of its full potential on your own, it's like saying the Reliant is a two seater

>>153823908

I had a python do something similar when I was in my Cobra and kept ranging him flying backwards with railguns, but I don't remember his name.

>>153810816
i guess the engine can't calculate waypoints and weight/fuel/fsd variables outside the galaxy map

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>>153824635
>I want something bigger and badder.
?

>>153824502
Because I actually want to play the game and earn my ships when it launches.

>>153810816
>>153824763
Bookmarks allow plotting paths to a destination almost instantly, unfortunately they're only accessible from the galaxy map.

>>153824692
CR planned on having the episodes give a "full game experience" just like how some games on steam function episodically like Life is Strange or those Telltale games. They're "complete games" in each episode but they are still part of a whole

>>153821516
at best they wanted to show off the planetary entry effects....

>>153824902
They also showed the rear view as they exited the planet and I didn't see any pop-out type issues which should show up just the same as if there is pop-in

>>153824843
I plan on KOS any Aurora trying to leave Earth or Terra with the ship I bought.

>>153815312
and no man's sky
what do all of these games have in common?
they run like shit
try UE4

>>153815312
>>153825021
Unity also has severe engine limitations on the number of entities that can exist (most prevalent as an issue in cities skylines where too many trees can hit the limit very quickly)

>>153824140

This

Fucking just make the space stuff

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>>153809549
>BEST

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>>153824502
>mfw freelancer

I love this ship but i'm waiting to see how the Max turns out.

>>153809549
Looks like an ED ship.

Would be cool if they both made 1 ship for one another.

>>153825448
But then how will the haters from ED and SC be able to shit fling the other game if their devs actively work together on something to support each other?

>>153822442
>>153822524
How close does it allow you to get to the big ones?

>>153825524
Argue over who did the better job making the ship obviously.

They've both congratulated eachother on their successes though. Didn't braben comment on how well landings looked a while ago?

>>153825620
It's much easier to pretend a statement doesn't exist than something that exists in plain view in the game content

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>>153824140
Looks comfy as fuck.

>>153809549
If only there was a LAAT mod for it with frontal guns. That wasn't overpriced.

I want to do some exploration and since my clipper sucks at it I need a ship

Should I go with AspX or DBE?

>>153825905
Asp

>>153814902
I interdict npcs all the time to thwart other cmdrs trying to line me up
1. they can't interdict you if you're already in the middle of an interdiction
2. you instantly accelerate to your target's speed if you're pulling away from a mass so you get thrown forward no matter how slow your top speed would normally be where you are
3. interdiction ignores the effect of mass on your top speed so if you're approaching a mass and you interdict an npc he gets accelerated to your speed and you'll maintain that speed instead of slowing down as you pass the object
4. either way if another cmdr was tyring to line up to interdict you it'll now take them 2-3mins to reach your low wake

>>153825448
>Looks like an ED ship.

Literally an Asp.

There was another ship in the last thread I actually thought was a Type-6 from the thumbnail but it turned out to be from SC.

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so

exactly what reasoning is there for the default joystick controls in SC to have the yaw and roll axis switched from what 99% of other games logically use

>>153825905

The AspX is straight up the better exploration ship. The DBE exists so hobos can leave the bubble too.

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>>153826365
Old space games usually have yaw on the roll axis for some reason some like it more and it may be slightly quicker to work with in some situations, same holds true for SC.

>>153826365
because there is no point in rolling in SC?
Other than aligning your self to the target, it's better to have Yaw and Pitch on the main axis.

>>153826506
>because there is no point in rolling in SC?
uhhhh....

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>>153825448
>CIG adds a slightly modified Eagle to SC
>Frontier adds a slightly modified Hornet to E:D

>>153826553
There really isn't though.
Unlike in E:D, you can yaw just as fast as you pitch.

>>153826612
Not in my Aurora LN.

Plus it's more intuitive to go up/down instead of diagonally since that's how planes fly.

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>>153826506
Somewhat true, but I still prefer that shit on my pedals over the stick.

>>153826612
Aside from the fact that it's the natural axis of movement for many veterans of any kind of flight sim, that doesn't answer the question on why switching the two axis in the first place is a good idea. If it's better to have it switched for someone wanting to use SCs movement physics better to their advantage, stellar, but shouldn't that be what the rebindable controls are for?

Also, pretty sure there's differences between yaw and pitch rate in all ships.

>>153826571
I really like how E:D ships look more 'real' than SC's. E:D's how I feel like space would actually be; almost everything is all grungy and made for utlity. SC feels pretty utopian with their ships.

>>153826612

Newish player here

What exactly is the vision™ reason for yaw being so fucking slow in ED?

>>153826254
Final Terrapin is Lakon.
WIP Terrapin was Faulcon deLacy

>>153826786

plane-like dogfight or some shit probably

>>153826767
Neither ED nor SC will be how space travel will actually be you dumb shit

>>153826786
to force you to bank and yank.

>>153826786
midichlorians

>>153826867

Right but even during docking it's just so retarded, it's faster for some huge ship to roll around like a fucking fish on a deck than to just yaw

>>153826767
I'm hoping that somewhere along the way CIG will realise that all ships and stations being showroom fresh is going to wear thing after a while. Sure, pretty lights and reflections LOOK nice, but good aesthetics can look 10x better.

Plus I really really fuckin want less mainly hologram huds and more physical panels and monitors in ships. Too sparkly and uniform across all ships right now for my taste with the floaty holograms

>>153826845
Nobody is saying it's going to be identical and nobody can read 1000 years into the future, but it seems like the more likely route.

>>153826612
The human body can sustain far greater G forces going pitch up than it can down or side to side. I don't think it's implemented properly in game though and we are supposed to have space magic™ space suits that allow for much higher G tolerances

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Found this cool org. Only 116 members, though.

How much escort runs do you think you'll be able to do in the final game? What's to stop players from just risking it themselves without hiring protection?

I just want to be paid to shoot stuff and protect important ships like mining and hauling ships.

>>153826928
Would be cool if they got dirtier and scratched and things started to be glitchy after having them for a while. I know that won't happen, but it would be cool.

>>153826571
Really need to redo that picture. The sizes are all borked. At least Cutter and Corvette are way too small compared to the Idris.

>>153827146
>I know that won't happen
Well hey, if CIG have proved anything it's that they can make they shit they want to happen in this game work. It's just the fact that I don't think they actually want it to happen that makes me think it's not going to happen.

>>153826928
>>153827146
There is plans to have ships look more worn-in the longer you have them/the more the get damaged and repaired which shouldn't be too difficult to implement. If they want to have unique scratches, dents, and holes that aren't prefabs (different for each player's ship rather than all using the same textures) though it'll be much more difficult I would think.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/9TH

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>>153826767
Best not to get into a realism debate cause both ED and SC are pure fantasy.

Is there a RES in LFT 133?

>>153826928
>>153827146
They confirmed years ago that they plan to make ships look beat-up/dirty/worn as they're used if the player doesn't pay (in-game) for cosmetic repair

>>153827276
That game any closer to being released? Also remind me what it's called again.

>>153827289
>>153827223
Well shit, that's neat then. I was assuming with CIGs gradual movement towards pretty holographic screens and shiny ass metal was indicative of how they wanted the stuff to look in the actual game.

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>>153827289
It used to happen in Elite too but I think they removed it for whatever reason

>>153827276
shit the amount of research put in is pretty neato

definitely seems like an /egg/ kind of game

https://childrenofadeadearth.wordpress.com/page/2/

>>153827351
There's a chance they won't follow through as it was back in 2014 or something they mentioned doing this. I doubt it's something they'll neglect to do though as it's actually pretty simple to do as it's just different textures like new paintjob skins that are used when a single modifier value is set just like when you choose to mount a different gun on your ship

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Is there going to be tickle mini-games in SC?

>>153827474
No, but Derek has redirected all development resources on Line of Defense into implementing tickle combat

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>>153827345
Children of a Dead Earth. I dunno know if it's even really a game. Should be interesting if not actually fun.

>>153827429
CoaDE guy is keen on his realism. He said it all started with working out how effective railguns should be and ballooned from there.

>>153824792
functionally it's a terrible APC
>no ground clearance
>weight distributed only on 4 wheels
>terrible driver visibility
>single point of troop egress
>broad, low profile makes handling in any sort of built up area a nightmare, compounded by an issue of driver visibility

aliens was a good movie though

>>153827429
>>153827526
If you guys are interested in real near-future space combat, you should read and/or watch The Expanse, which is a book series by James S. A. Corey and a non-shitty show on the cable television network formerly known as Sci-Fi

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>>153827521

Sweet! Is there going to be expensive espresso machines bought with backer funds?

>>153827526
The optimally designed space dildos really need unnecessary conning towers though.

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>>153827617
Thanks for reminding me. I really need to get round to watching that.

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>>153827578
>How about we stick a turret on it then?

>>153827645
Literally Derek's entire condo (including coffee machine) was paid for with "backer funds", if by that you mean Early Access DLC sales. Although it's still being foreclosed on now.

>>153827645
Devs are fuel by coffee. Good coffee means happy devs.

Well worth it IMO.

>>153827693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

>>153827689
Is there any kind of chemical/explosive projectiles? e.g. HESH or HEAT?

Or is there some kind of factor in that game that makes non-kinetic penetrators kind of irrelevant?

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What's the best way to make a lot of cash? Robigo?

>>153827134
>What's to stop players from just risking it themselves without hiring protection?

I understand orgs will have a standing reputation to maintain but whats will be in place to prevent "we are pirate griefers -org" from essentially doing back room deals with the merc companies and staging attacks based on info? the company being escorted wouldnt know about it and the mercs could sell info while still lawfully doing their paid job

the fact that these things will be possible gives me a boner. fucking space sapranos

>>153827739
No fuck you. CIG employees should be treated like slaves, paid minimum wage, and forced to work chained to their desks under heat lamps and not allowed to eat or drink until work ends at 10PM or before work starts at 12AM.

>>153827689
Funnily enough a lot of people watching the show try to look smart and bitch about space not working as depicted in parts of the show, and they're always wrong

>>153827804
>risk reputation and/or resources and ships by giving pirates information on a convoy you're supposed to be protecting
or, even better
>be a mole and feed pirates information as a lower-ranking mercenary without having to risk your reputation or org at all

Pretty interesting scenarios

>>153827804
Yeah but then you'd have anonymous Edward Snowdens either in your traitor merc org or in the pirate orgs you're leaking info to, leaking the info that you leak info and your org's rep would be ruined

>>153811131
buy me a package please and will be your friendo

>>153827753
>Other payloads possible in Children of a Dead Earth include explosive payloads and nuclear payloads. Nuclear tends to be a very powerful but expensive option, though due to the lack of atmosphere, their damage is incredible within a few meters, and then it falls of painfully fast. Explosives are similarly restricted to very small areas of effect but are much weaker, though they are fantastically cheap.
Not sure what kind but they're in there it seems.

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>>153827880
>buy $13k coffee machines
>refuse requests for refunds on the premise of it takes from other backers. Unless an attorney general gets involved.

they could have got a Mr. Coffee machine for around $30 you know

>>153827804
This is probably going to just lead to people only hiring their friends.

>>153828128
Why don't coffee shops just get 30 dollar Mr. Coffee machines, anon?

>>153828128
Damn, people are insanely petty if that email ain't fake

Like, who invests $125 then throws a shitfit because the game isn't out yet? Did they not follow the game at all and just decided to throw money at it? Who would invest $125 in the first place if they're already skeptic?

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>>153827739
>devs need a 13k coffee machine in the break room to be happy

kek

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>>153828265
>basic consumer rights are petty
anon...

>>153827105

There's a lot of gene/bio modding and cybernetics in the Elite universe. You can probably expect most pilots to be effectively superhuman compared to the modern norm.

>>153828493
In game at least you can park on a 9g planet indefinitely with no ill effects.

>>153828453
You're presuming that he never EVER could have POSSIBLY agreed to the ToS with the refund not included. Pretty paper thin argument there famalam, and he's trying to go to court with it.

>>153827370

It still happens but they toned it down so much that you can barely tell the difference between 0 and 100% paintwork.

>>153828493
You would need mechanical pumps all throughout your body to really negate the effect of G forces. The issue is based on fluid dynamics and how your heart is literally unable to create enough pressure to effectively pump blood to your head. I think it would be pretty unlikely to reduce the effects of G forces much and if anything, it would increase tolerances but wouldn't change the ratio of tolerance (i.e. pitch up having a higher tolerance than pitch down due to the different effects of both)

I just want realistic G force effects if they even bother having them in the first place.

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Getting a refund was so satisfying.

Say what you want about Derek, but he's great for helping people get their money back from Hollywood scam artists and pissing off this sick cult of space cucks.

>>153828617
>I just want realistic G force effects
like what? Isn't blacking/redding out realistic?

Is it true that E:D's planet tech simulate tectonics and mineral composition to generate landforms?

Does this result in any interesting locations?

>>153828652
not where you have the same tolerances when pulling 9 Gs up, down, left, or right

Are we being raided? Or is it just Derek?

>>153828676
Ah yeah, that would be better. I wish the tolerances were a bit higher though. In dogfights in my mustang, I'm always on the edge of blacking out.

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>>153828652

Fuck off, Chris

>>153828696
>"raided"
>single poster
>who's not even spamming

>>153828674
Your question intrigued me and I just went and checked all 11 billion star systems; Unfortunately, I found nothing interesting.

>>153828128
>18 months after estimated delivery date
...and just what "was" the estimated delivery date?

>>153828703
That's how it should be though, if you're fighting at the limit you should be near the edge of blacking out too. Pretty sure the game already lets you pull FAR more than 9 Gs as well.

>>153828787
I think the kikestarter had it listed as 2013 or 2014 I believe, albeit that was with the original goals from the kikestarter without the extra stretch goals from the continued funding

>>153828787
I'm imagining it's someone who bought it extremely early then didn't pay attention to the delivery date stretching as the amount of money CIG got increased exponentially.

I wonder how that would hold up in court, really. He's essentially asking for a refund for a game that doesn't exist at this point, if his statement about never agreeing to the ToS is true.

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>>153828674
Some pretty crazy shit can be generated.

>>153828954
>A strange quark escaped from containment.

>>153828881
It won't ever go to court because most backers don't want a refund, and most of the small subset that do want a refund aren't a big enough sperg to actually threaten legal action over the (((kikestarter))) estimated delivery date. CIG doesn't need the money from this subset of a subset, and they're more trouble than they're worth, so CIG just refunds and bans them.

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>>153829154
>so CIG just refunds and bans them.
>game ends up releasing 2018
>refunders try buying and playing the game
>banned

>>153829154
You could also be assured that if someone took CIG to court to get their franklin back, a large subset of forum autists would pile on the death threats despite $100 or even $1000 not mattering in the slightest. If they're at the point that they can buy a 13 grand coffee maker it would take a million in backer money to leave before they would even take notice.

>>153828617
>You would need mechanical pumps
>how your heart is literally unable to create enough pressure to effectively pump blood to your head

There's certainly no shortage of cybernetics and biomods to deal with that sort of thing. For instance the Fed military tends to make full body replacement borgs out of its soldiers while the Empire biomods theirs into supersoldiers.

>wouldn't change the ratio of tolerance

That's still in the game. Pilots in ED can withstand around 18G and 10G vertical before they start to black out and red out, respectively. It's unknown what the limit on lateral Gs is though, since that's a lot easier for a body to tolerate and ED ships aren't well equipped to pull lateral Gs in the first place.

>>153824792
what a shitty design jesus christ it is after all wwII

>>153829271
Lateral Gs aren't easier to tolerate.

There is also a hard limit on this kind of thing, because while you might be able to stop people from entering GLOC, your organs are still going to rip themselves away from where they're meant to be at high enough G.

>>153828549
even if he did agree to a ToS it's legality as a binding document is superseded by state and federal consumer laws

>>153829328
WW1*

By WW2 most nations realised casemate turrets were dumb as fuck, at the very least (Unless you were France or the US who were downright clinically retarded at tank design)

>>153809549
>armored slow military "picketing" ship with sensors

literally why

I mean maybe an org would want it as an early warning system, but then there are instances lol

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>>153829423
>He doesn't want to fug the Char B1

>>153829271
In regards to the ratio I was referencing SC right now, sorry for the confusion

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>>153829151
One bug that produces something cool was this one, but it got fixed.

>>153829358
>your organs are still going to rip themselves away from where they're meant to be at high enough G.

You're missing the part where they augment themselves with cybernetics and biomods.

Those tired old connective tissues not strong enough? Replace them with carbon nanotube fiber or amp them up with twenty times the myofibril! Consult your physician today!

>>153824889
ever heard of star wars you retarded faggot. People can call them episodes if they want.

>>153829663
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>>153826365
because you aim your guns with yaw/pitch

>>153829701
At some point it becomes easier just to have AI pilots.

By that I mean, way before you start having to replace organs, connective tissues and epidermis with carbon nanotubes that can also support life and function in the same way.

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>>153829770
what?

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>>153829542

>>153829358
>Lateral Gs aren't easier to tolerate.

You might want to actually research the subject before discussing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-LOC
http://history.nasa.gov/ap16fj/02system_couches.htm

>>153829235
>2018

>>153829797
>gyroscopic sphere in the center of the ship the pilot controls from

boom, fixed all issues

>>153829797

Not really an option in the Elite universe considering AI is banned.

And by banned I mean they'll sterilize entire planets if that's what it takes to stop people trying to produce it.

>>153827739
this desu. I'd love to work at CIG if I had tasty coffee or latte to drink all day

and bugsmasher man has cherry blue keyboard or something similar from the sound of it

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>>153829815
We need more cockpits with a boatload of switches and clocks.

>>153829358
Lateral Gs are easier to tolerate, however that isn't taking into account the stresses on the neck muscles which is the reason why people view lateral Gs as harder to tolerate. If you also have a helmet on and don't have anything that restricts your head's lateral movement (which you can't otherwise you vastly limit the range of movement/rotation of your head) then your neck will give out very quickly under high lateral Gs.

>>153829924
>And by banned I mean they'll sterilize entire planets if that's what it takes to stop people trying to produce it.

kek. Thats completely impossible to enforce.

>>153829594
haha benis :D:DXD

>>153829924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI

>>153829820
In terms of blacking out, they are.
In terms of surviving them, they aren't.

If we're talking higher than 9, the room for growth to endure lateral Gs is much lower.

>>153829812
rolling does not turn your guns like in atmosphere

you move your guns left with yaw

what is so fucking complicated

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so CIG has gone from "we have an iron-clad TOS that means you get no refunds" to "well we didn't want you dirty LEAVERS anyway" to "won't you PLEASE reconsider your refund?"

lol

>>153830105
>rolling does not turn your guns like in atmosphere
what you are saying does not make sense

>>153830037
You're just going to keep pulling presumptuous nonsense out of your ass aren't you

>>153830142
Translation "we already spent your money on coke and whores, please don't force us to release more $1000 unusable ships to refund your pledge".

>>153830198
it is zero g in space so rolling about yan axis does not change where your center fixed guns are pointing

retard

>>153830217
Where do you think you are

>>153830105
>>153830198
Rolling doesn't do much to the guns in atmo either. Unless you are so damn close that you have to roll your guns into place if they are really far out on your wings.

>>153830262
>Rolling doesn't do much to the guns in atmo either
Yes it does?
Banking to the left/right will also turn your plane due to the lift vector being directly above your aircraft.

Banking in space does nothing.

>>153830253
What the fuck are you on about

That's got nothing to do with it being in space, that's just the guns being center mounted you mongoloid

>>153830307
How has this got shit-fuck-all to do with the guns?

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>>153830312
ok try this in space

done arguing with autists

maybe your mom calls you smart when you call her a retard for being late with your tendies

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>>153808917
I need this in my life.

It will be truly amazing when they are able to add things like most or overgrowth with rust, or snow and ice for cold planets, and maybe in the far future animals that call derelicts home on the inside, like perhaps Osoians or something like that. I would shit myself.

>>153830389
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE GUNS?

Am I being baited here or something? You still haven't explained shit.

>>153830370
Because that's how you aim you fuck stick?

In SC, you don't need to roll, to turn.

>>153830370
because the guns are bolted to an aircraft

you have to point them at something to shoot at them

wow

>>153830307
Well yeah, but that always happens in conjunction with pitch, at least if you want to make it useful in combat instead of just slowly turning and falling down.

My point though was that rolling while keeping your direction doesn't do much for your guns.

>>153829967

They do a pretty good job of it. You fuck with AI tech, you get curbstomped. If an AI or related tech is discovered, it gets atomized.

Keep in mind that this is a society that will execute your ass for loitering

>>153829957
But they're useless.

>>153830428
Don't bother responding, this autismal faggot comes sperging here from time to time. The evochron games he is so autistic about are shallow shit games with nothing to do so he sometimes shitposts here out of boredom.

>>153830428
He's very obscurely and badly saying that in atmosphere, if you roll your aircraft is also going to pitch because of the effects of lift, which isn't the case in space.

>>153830476
They could be made useful, but it's easier to just make a HUD and bunch of generic MFDs. Can't fault them for it, but some WWII instrumentation for our space WWII would be neat.

>>153830448
No fucking shit sherlock. Good thing that's got FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POST ABOUT THE CONTROLS FOR YAW AND ROLL BEING SWITCHED.

I thought I escaped this kind of severe autism when I stopped playing War Thunder, yet here you are, so amazingly misinterpreting a simple question.

>>153830468
>You fuck with AI tech, you get curbstomped.

How do "they" find out?
How do "they" find out, and enforce this universal law on anarchy systems?
How do "they" enforce this law on completely uninhabited systems far into the center of the galaxy?
How would they stop development if it is going on within a killvette that can curbstomp anything it encounters, and is chilling at the galactic core?

Sorry but no, you're not going to stop that kind of shit. Its impossible. Much like banning firearms, people are still going to be able to buy a length of pipe and there isn't a thing you're going to be able to do about it.

>>153830492
I have never heard of that game. There are multiple people responding. I'm not part of your gay autist club.

if you can't understand the difference between atmo and newtonian and people would want different controls you're dumb as shit. bye.

>>153830498
no it does not pitch. It banks. It turns in the air. Have you literally never played a flying game.

>>153830603
because people want accurate aim. They don't want to aim a spaceship with twist or pedals.

>>153830646
>no it does not pitch. It banks. It turns in the air. Have you literally never played a flying game.

You're a moron.

>>153830646
Don't pretend you are not that faggot who kept sperging about "true" newtonian physics and how E.D was shit a couple of days ago and you clearly mentioned evochron games when asked which game has "true" newtonian physics.

Or maybe you are the one he was arguing with, they were both autistic faggots anyways.

>>153830743
no, see >>153830389

how is that pitching

the point of banking is not to pitch. In fact you usually do not pitch at all while banking.

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>>153830603
I don't give a shit about the original post.
I replied directly to this post >>153830262

Where, which I quoted, you said

>"Rolling doesn't do much to the guns in atmo either"

Which, as I explained, is the EXACT WAY TO ACTUALLY TURN YOUR AIRCRAFT AND GET GUNS ON TARGET.

So tell me, if rolling doesn't do anything, how do fighter pilots line up a shot? Just slam full rudder?

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>>153830621
Some greenfly, Xenon-style AI threat would have been nice. Maybe it starts off in some far away system, maybe one of the isolated ones that are really hard to reach. A research station fucks up the AI research and it goes all berserker.

>>153830774
never heard of it

>>153830908
>x_rebirth
end yourself

>>153830908
>space bad dragon.jpg

>>153830949
I've never played the game, the AI destroyer thing looks nice though.

>>153830621
None of that seems to stop current governments from trying something similar

>>153830621

Probably the same way a pirate in an FDL can find you 400LY from nowhere and knows you have a single magnetic emitter coil on board that he really wants.

Seriously though people disappear in the black or those anarchy systems all the time. It'd be a awful shame if that were to happen to you while you were working on building your robot waifu.

>How would they stop development if it is going on within a killvette that can curbstomp anything it encounters, and is chilling at the galactic core?

Enjoy having a Farragut jump directly on top of you.

>>153830830
>how do fighter pilots line up a shot
Roll+Pitch. Literally identical to how you would do it in SC but with less gravity involved. The controls don't affect the guns or aiming in the fucking slightest, it's just which axis is used by the majority of all kinds of flight sim games that actually represent the joystick axis with the aircraft axis, and then there's SC being retarded.

>>153830498
>banking
>obscure

wow /scg/

I think I should stop talking to you people. No wonder you hate RSI. You probably get corrected by someone older and smarter and sperg out and get banned.

>>153831008
Some shit building a four winds shotgun and blowing someone away is an isolated incident. The death is merely a statistic, how sad, better have a little news story on it about how much of a shame it is.

Some shit deciding he's going to make an AI? Thats not something you're going to contain.

>>153831036
How does the Farragut know you're developing AI?

How do people know you're working on it in Anarchy systems?

Its pure fantasy to think they've got agents watching everyone. Its not like you're building a dirty bomb and hoarding plutonium. Its software development.

>>153831163
Banking isn't obscure.

Its just your method of articulating is obtuse, and at worst literally autistic.

this thread

is worse than the RSI forum

>>153831252
I was going to link to wikipedia but I thought a picture would be easier

why bother arguing with someone who thinks a spaceship should control the same as an aircraft when he doesn't know how aircraft turn

>>153831054
roll does not aim your gun at all in SC. Maybe that would be fine if your target is moving in a straight line but I'd much rather have full control of where the gun is pointing both x and y direction while the target is strafing

/scg/edg/ - Aeronautics General

I'm not even going to bother argueing with retards who don't understand the difference between vaccum and atmosphere.

>>153831348
Terra/Earth argument was better than this

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>>153831386
"Rolling" or "Banking" doesn't aim your guns in atmosphere either, friend.

Especially the latter. Unless your target is slowly turning and happens to be a 747, you're going to be rolling then pitching.

>>153831386
>roll does not aim your gun at all in SC
Roll + Pitch gives you all encompassing movement within 3 dimensions. If you cannot aim your gun at all with that, the CIG is somehow designing this game for tesseract equipped computers capable of rendering 4D.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip4z4k4jcRo

>>153831518
you're literally aiming using pitch and roll

>>153831609
what if you're pitching straight up and he decides to strafe right? are you going to wait to roll 90 degrees to aim? ships in SC don't roll very fast but you can yaw pretty much instantly

>>153830830
That was me, my point wasn't the turning but just the rolling. I can roll in place or to any angle for all day long, doesn't make my guns face any more towards the enemy than just keeping it still.

Rolling in combination with pitch is a different story.

>>153831518
>tfw harddrive got fried
>DCS still installed on the other one
>asks for all the activation keys again
I hate this things DRM it's so shitty.

>>153831648
>you're literally aiming using pitch and roll
Well, yawing as well actually because I was using rudder control too.

But not BANKING.

>>153831609
Kind of.

Can't move in diagonals as easily like you can with Pitch+Yaw, so its more difficult to control.

>>153831648
Then you can twist your joystick to yaw?

You're somehow arguing as if I want yaw completely removed; I'm just saying the control setup is anti-logic.

>>153831637
>star citizen looks like shit
>whatever, DEREK

>>153831702
>But not BANKING.

You are literally banked 90 degrees right.

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>>153831656
>still using hdd's

>>153831702
a 90 degree bank is still a bank, which you can't do in space. And your target can't strafe in any direction at any time

>>153831703
>anti-logic

yeah aiming by twisting or with my feet makes total sense. Why wouldn't I use the much more sensitive axis of the joystick

>>153831764
Well shit I used the wrong word. My SSD killed itself, the HDD survived.

Doesn't matter, still shitty.

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>anon provides me Cat mobile shop source last thread in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY6nJOLn6dk

>mfw all of this shit they're making for it
>mfw this video is 9 months old and they undoubtably have it almost done by now

If they make all of those modules for the caterpillar, it's going to, hands down, be the most useful multicrew ship in SC. I am so moist right now

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Hello, /compsci/. I have a question.

At what point does Star Citizen become alpha, instead of pre-alpha?

And further more, does the term "pre-alpha" allow a game's community to dismiss criticism?

I seem to notice many games being defended on this basis lately, as if the gaming community as a whole was taught to use the term pre-alpha. Even when there's obviously working gameplay on screen.

>>153831824
>Why wouldn't I use the much more sensitive axis of the joystick
Then go right ahead, rebind it. However for 99% of those with joystick experience, yaw and roll should be switched, because it represents the actual axis of the aircraft. You know, like almost all other simulators do with joysticks?

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hey anons, is star citizen more of a game now? i bought this game in feb and haven't played it other than looking around my mustang beta

how does it compare to elite in terms of shit to do? i know elite isn't exactly brimming with content but i want to explore and be a pirate, is this possible in star citizen yet or should i keep waiting?

>>153831956
Wait for Alpha 3.0 which gets hopefully released in December

>>153831929
ty for paying the catte tax

anyway, we're all going to give chris and co another five years and another 100 million

>>153831929
>Even when there's obviously working gameplay on screen.
SC =/= Early Access game on Steam. The gameplay we have access to is a snippet of a whole lot more CIG have being worked on or completed in the background. Meanwhile with EA games, what you see is usually what you get.

>>153831764
>he fell for the jewish data storage device

SSD lifetime is shit, SHIT

>>153831929
>At what point does Star Citizen become alpha, instead of pre-alpha?
Around 2020 according to their own progress.

>>153832062
>Meanwhile with EA games, what you see is usually what you get.
good thing chris got away from the evil jew publishers with their "deadlines" and "working products" and shit

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>>153832079
>mfw had an SSD as my only drive for 5 years with no issues
is this a meme or should i actually worry about this

>>153811131
Get some bint pregnant, have a kid then come play E:D with the rest of us dad's.

>>153829386
>implying it has any binding whatsoever

last I checked mouse clicks were not legally valid and I didn't sign shit

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>>153831929
The pre-alpha and alpha thing are pointless to argue about since both terms are use interchangeably for us specifically. We do know, however, that SC isn't Beta, which is a feature complete game that is in final testing and balancing.

And when it comes to dismissing criticism, for the most part a lot of it somewhat can be. The game is being made and they release game builds when they're ready for testing purposes. When that happens, bugs are obviously going to be there, and that's why the Evocati and PTU exists, to help CIG find those bugs, so saying "wow SC has bugs it's shitttt" is useless since they're expected of an incomplete product still in development.

Usually games are made, tested internally, and then shown off when they're in Beta phase, so people never see the game breaking bugs, shitty framerate, hitching etc. If you took any game made at a random build during development, bugs will exist since the code is still being designed and shit. It's not really fair to judge a WIP game the same as a feature complete game that is finished as a base product because of those reasons above. Mind you, there are still valid ways to criticize it, but most of it is due to the nature of an incomplete product being made day by day.

>>153831929
want memes and shitposts from people sick of you guys coming into the thread and asking the same question? congrats, you did it!

want actual information? then fucking research it youself and come to your own conclusion lazy fuck, SC development is widely open and transparent