/4ccg/ - Extrasolar edition

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/4ccg/ - "where we believe we can make games more entertaining by making the players/AI worse" edition

>>153576649
>>153576671
>>153576701
bagina

>>153576724
anigab

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Reminder that anime is not welcome.

>"let's nerf the golds because I'm gay"
Fuck off and stay Fuck off

>>153576868
Why is there an egg on her head

>>153576925
Because its cute

>>153576925
It's fashionable.

>>153576925
Eggs are comfy and easy to wear.

>>153576925
>being this mad

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>nerfing golds

Why are we so married to having a specific set of medal players?

Why not just make 77 the baseline for all players, then give each team a "pool" of points to add to the 23?

If we're worried about overpowered golds, we could even max out a player at 94 (The Messi/Ronaldo level) or something similar? This would create a HUGE variety of potential tactics.

>>153577329
Wh-What

>>153576756
more like Where we believe that retarded defenders getting outplayed all the time and 5 goals per match is the pinnacle of divegrass entertainment edition
but don't let me disrupt your toplad safespace circlejerk

>>153577392
FUCK OFF

>>153577329
Underrated misquote

>>153577392
there's no sense in blowing up the whole format with a new game around the corner, any major changes should have been made for Spring/Summer

>>153576756
Only make the players that are too good a bit worse, and the players that are too bad a bit better.
You know, the sensible thing to do that's so obvious /rules/ completely missed it.

>>153576897
>>153577347
Then we slightly buff the silvers and MASSIVELY buff the nonmedals.
99/94/89 sounds good.

/4ccg/ - "I've never watched a PES 14 game but I still love making everything play like PES 14" general

>>153577509
FUCK OFF

>>153577597

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that we do this for Autumn - it's way too late in the game to make a change THAT drastic. It would just change the format of the game a little bit more, I think it would make things more interesting honestly.

>>153577509
I didn't mean to upset you, anon. I hope you're having a good day.

>>153577392
>94
Still too much if the 77s stay 77.

90 max.

>>153577631
>99/94/89 sounds good.
No that is not ok

I say you slightly buff the FUCK and MASSIVELY buff the OFF

>tfw no matter what there will be no changes anyway because the toplads making the rules grew to be too much comfortable and conservative to actually try anything

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Is it true ?

>buff the silvers and non medals is a good thing

Yes, let's bring even better players able to shoot on the pitch that'll do

What you don't seem to realise is that PES is broken and 99 golds completely exploit that fact; bringing even MORE players able to exploit the retardedness of the game is definitely NOT a solution

Golds should be nerfed to begin to bring some sanity to the game

>>153577857
Fine. 90/85/80 or whatever number that doesn't put the golds any further than 10 from the nonmedals.

>>153578043
>>>/y/
>>>/fit/

>>153577857
>>153578150
Why not have 110 / 105 / 100s
:^))))))))))))))))))))))

>>153578043
Ask Ramen or Soryuu

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>>153578043
No, stop being in denial

Keep suggesting things 4ccg, because we, the other toplads, will be keeping 99/88/77 for now and the upcoming future.

Please resume your meaningless stats banter. It all means nothing in the end.

>>153578149
If everything is broken, nothing will be.

t. Masahiro Sakurai

>>153578287
Why even put in the effort when we're moving to PES17 after autumn anyway?

>>153578149
The defense buff should balance that out, right?
But yeah, nerfing the 99s is a given.

>All these people posting ideas
>nobody testing them
>people thinking people want to or have time to test
Nobody wants to listen to /4ccg/ spitballing.

>>153577631
Anon we have some test data on 99/94/89 from Hessen's tests though, while stat compression lower than 95 has only been tested on the Moeshit Cup, and that's on Harlock which I think breaks the AI of the game even further.

>>153578372
>Why even put in the effort
/rules/ in a nutshell, who didn't put in the effort after 1.04 proved to be a disaster.

>>153578435
Nevermind the past and future leagues we had testing different rules, most of which yielded sensible results, right?

>>153578392

I never run a all 77 vs 77 to see if with equal stats, attack still run over the defense, should be interesting

Main problem with the golds are the impossible curlers they're able to sink in every time; while the defensive IA is just not reactive enough to counter. Nerfing them to 90 reduce that occurrence to acceptable levels I'd say

>>153578372
Did you say something? I can't hear you on my toplad throne. Please speak up a little louder.

>>153578724
They were all on shitty patches or with meme tactics that nobody is going to take seriously.

>>153578953
i am gay

f4r got killed by a tsunami

>>153578987
>meme tactics

Meme happen in actual cups too, that's not an argument to disregard invitationals, especially since they also feature serious tactics (that actually are the ones winning)

>>153579254
You simply cannot compare the tactics used in the moeshit cup to an actual 4cc event. It's such a disproportionate amount of fucking around that people can't just take it at face value and not just test it wit serious cup teams. It very much is an argument to disregard invitationals.

>>153575050
Can we please stop pretending that nerfing golds will make people play new shit. Managers are lazy uncreative fucks who are so desperate to succeed that they'll either use the most generic tactics available (see /d/) or copy teams that did well from the previous cup (see /v/). Look around at the managers who currently go run stuff that isn't the norm or change a lot, these are the only ones you're getting outside new lads

>>153579383

And where do you draw the line? I the spectrum going from /keion/ to /yys/, where do you draw the line?

And I'll say it again;t "muh serious testing" is what /rules/ did, and we all saw the shitfest it resulted

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>>153580216

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>>153580216

>>153580349
Ok well when you take the moeshit teams that aren't running without strikers or medal attackers playing longball and make them normal teams, you see if you still get muh 3.5 goals per game because I'm pretty sure you wont.

>>153580302
But we don't know because golds are supermen.

>>153580878

/azu/ had more than 4 goals on average, and I think /yys/ had a good average too

Meanwhile /sora/ with 3 medals forwards had the lowest with 1.6, even less than the completely meme /keion/

>>153581109
wtf what a cunt

>>153581127
/sora/ was running defensive fluid, which worked well enough.

>>153581127
And sliders? And fluid? Playstyles and skillcards? This just tells me it's retarded by the by.

>moeshit
It's shit

>4cc
it's shit

>>153581238

Still wasn't a meme tactic

>>153581315

You literally said
>teams that aren't running without strikers or medal attackers playing longball

Now you're moving goalposts

>>153577597
Alternatively, you could look at this as the perfect time to try out a new format precisely because it will be inconsequential.

All you're doing is arguing for the status quo.

>make a change for Winter
NOT ENOUGH TIME, CAN'T RISK AN ELITE CUP ON INADEQUATELY TESTED CHANGES
>make a change for Spring
NOT ENOUGH TIME, CAN'T RISK AN ENTIRE CUP ON INADEQUATELY TESTED CHANGES
>make a change for Summer
NOT ENOUGH TIME, CAN'T RISK AN ELITE CUP ON INADEQUATELY TESTED CHANGES
>make a change for Autumn
NOT ENOUGH TIME, CAN'T RISK AN ENTIRE CUP ON INADEQUATELY TESTED CHANGES AND BESIDES THE NEW PES IS AROUND THE CORNER SO IT DOESN'T MATTER

I'm fucking sick of the excuses.

>nerfing golds
It's shit

>>153581456
Okay then well while I'm moving the goalposts, you can just ignore every single thing I say because I'm just an anon in /4ccg/ anyway.

Kinda like /merit/ will ignore you and everyone else whose opinion is "we should take a risk" and don't want to test anything.

I like it better when we shitpost in the offseason.

Are Wing Forwards count as strikers?

>>153581114
But if you make the players with the ability to be good no matter the system and make them worse, you're really pushing people into a more narrow box of what will work. It's going to make more people just being generic

>>153581725
If you don't know that answer, then you need to educate yourself

>>153581842
They are red, so they count!

>>153581570

Like I said before, attacking Moeshit and /ag/L on the basis of "meme tactics" implies that "real tactics" would make things works.../rules/ did and failed, so I won't trust "srs tictacs tests, guise no meme allowed here" cause they're not representative

>>153581651
I understand, getting out of the comfort zone and changing the status quo can be quite difficult for some people
still, better than posting bored.jpg and >page 9

>>153581915
*small golf clap*

>>153581919
So what you're basically saying is if the actual cup tactics aren't representative, memevitationals are? Or nothing is representative? Let's just not change rules then because testing is pointless and it's better to change nothing than risk making things even worse because no testing is representative.

>>153581772
It's the opposite.
Nerfing the golds would increase variety of tactics and result in more teamplay, because it won't be the:
>just pass it to the medal, and let him carry you through defensive spaghetti lol

>>153582198
Explain how this will lead to more tactical diversity when it still happened in /ag/L and Moeshit.

>>153581536
Leaving them as it is is worse.

>>153582335
>bitching about rules
you're shit

>>153582198
I would imagine this to be the truth as well
lowering the difference between medals and making non-medals not completely shit would allow more variety than just having all medals in the offense
SDA might even meme his way to the elites

/rules/ already tested this shit and said it ended with even less parity in the games. You'll all dismiss this though because it came from /rules/ and you don't trust your new boogeyman of the month, right?

>>153581950
It's literally just as productive as posting >page 9 though, because in the end no one fucking listens to /4ccg/.

>>153582376
Pointing out the obvious (that rules are complete shit, as are the people forcing them to not change for the better) is bitching now?

>>153582309
Defense will be less useless because of smaller stat gap between them and the medals
Gold won't be a one-man team
Resulting more plays that actually counts and look like real effort to score, instead of golds going crazy and scoring from mile away, or from le sidecurler

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>>153582407

>>153582690
And have you actually proven this yet.

>>153582764
For myself, yes. I liked matches with compressed stats. I liked watching and participating in memevitationals that used those.
But it won't be enough to convince you, so let's wait for Sou streams to roll out.

>>153583138
Yeah because Sou's tests are going to make all the babby managers want to disregard their tests 2 weeks before the cup. This is just appeasing /4ccg/ and won't lead to anything unless PES17 is denuvoland,

>>153582690
>Defense will be less useless because of smaller stat gap between them and the medals
But that's not true. If you make players worse, you're just making them worse. The AI for how the defence and GKs work is still broken to fuck. Lowering medals wouldn't make non-medals less useless, it just makes the medals more useless

>>153583457
>Lowering medals wouldn't make non-medals less useless, it just makes the medals more useless
Then everything will be useless within scale., meaning everything will be useFUL within scale.

>>153583713
You've skipped the part where the AI is fucked at every level.

>>153583449
>unless PES17 is denuvoland
Which is a big possibility
I never thought for a moment that Autumn rules would change, given how conservative the current rulers are
Sou streaming with compressed stats is good for the future.

>>153583457
>it just makes the medals more useless
>Less demigold abuse bullshit
What's the problem again?

>>153583713
>>153583928
But you're actively trying the make the games worse quality which will make them worse to watch.

>>153583808
watch /zar/ and see real AI beauty.

>>153583808
>at every level
But now it will affect everything equally.
You get fucked up AI, YOU get fucked up AI, EVERYONE GETS FUCKED UP AI! You should have known and moved to FIFA.

Well guys, looks like I won't be doing the fun stuff (/a/ - /fit/ on /fit/'s hard counter tactics and /r9k/ - /p/ reenactment) right this second since I've been called by some people to >actually play a game, but look forward to those two matches (at least - I think I'll rerun the non-day one /mlp/ matches on different tactics as well since I sort of know what they ran) nonetheless. I will drop my spreadsheet with all the match statistics in the wiki soon. In the mean time, have the VODs from my tests:
http://www.hitbox.tv/video/1138651
http://www.hitbox.tv/video/1138654
http://www.hitbox.tv/video/1138655
http://www.hitbox.tv/video/1138657

Thanks to everyone that dropped in to give it a watch!

>>153584140
good games mate, thanks for actually doing something

>>153584016
>Worse to watch
Different tastes and all that, but I think we are at the lowest point already.
Weaker medals would create at least some sort of tension.

>>153582071

I'm saying that a bunch of people circlejerking about "muh 99 golds" is less representative that a bunch of people trying stuff on their own, be it sensible or wacky, and making them run against each other in a tournament with all that implies (nighly exports, testing for winning, livemanaging)

Neither are perfect, but if I had to choose, it'd be the later without doubt

>>153584480
Your idea of 'circlejerking' is 'I'm not in /rules/ so I didn't see their coming to conclusions about how nerfing golds is worse and only Myuer disagreed and didn't think it was a big enough of a change to be worth fighting for'.

>>153584618

I'm looking at the results here; and Summer was a shitfest

Funny thing is that everybody saw it coming the second the rules were announced, but /rules/ had their head too far up their asses to see it

>>153584914
>a group of people tested it and came to the conclusion that it was worse
>but we're going to ignore this because I don't think it could possible worse even though a group of people came to the conclusion that it was

>>153585112
That group of people didnt want to change anything they were familiar with

>>153585112
>a group of people CLAIMED to test it, and said it was worse without providing proof, let alone a stream
You ask why it's worse, and the best answer you get is "because I'm a #toplad and I say so"

>>153585112
>a group of people that completely fucked up the summer rules came to the conclusion that it was worse

Sounds like a good argument for gold nerfs

>>153585513
>null hypothesis means no hypothesis was tested
>>153585498
>muh conspiracy theories, they didn't want to change anything and faked everything for their own ego
>>153585435
>muh conspiracy theories, they didn't want to change anything and faked everything for their own ego
Nice arguments lads.

>>153585498
Lol. Are you suggesting that they just went through the trouble of creating dozens of pastebins and screenshots of tests that they didn't actually run? All to support some massive conspiracy that... they're lazy?

As much as I think there's a place for using Summer's results as a springboard to push for more definitive changes, you sound like a fucking psycho and you don't help your cause at all.

>>153585769
>faked everything for their own ego
Wouldn't be surprised.

>>153585769
People are doubting your justification. You knew some of those stat changes made the goal average smaller, but you hid behind "muh gold playstyle", "muh throughball city" as your motivation without any proof. That smells of bullshit when /ag/L and Moeshit showed none of that, and they were rigged with Harlock.

>>153586153
There's a pastebin floating around with stat sheets and dozens of screenshots. So unless the great /rules/ conspiracy you're floating around extends to spending hours photoshopping fake tests, you're just making yourself look dumb.

>>153586498
fuck off rarifag

>>153586310
/ag/L was just as bad as every other cup only there was even more kickoff abuse and a lot more keeperbabbying.

Moeshit still hasn't been proven to work on tactics that aren't memes.

Harlock, as you already said, disproves all of these as something that can be used as a reference as that's a variable that won't ever be used in the cup.

Test the fucking rules instead of saying THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THE CUP, then blaming /rules/ for testing things and them deciding they aren't for the better.

>>153585769
After all those people, that are "good at pes" got together to change shit around, so it will be less shit, and in the end didn't do any impactful changes at all, I can't help but think about less noble intentions behind it all.
I especially liked how JB pushed foot usage stuff at the last moment, and it was approved without tests and whatever. Maybe he thought he could abuse it for his team?

>>153586583
>>153584140

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>This summer cup

>>153586050
They're not lazy. They will go to quite the length to make sure everything stays the same inherently broken mess it's been, and when confronted with alternatives to make the mess less messy, or outright solutions to the mess altogether they will immediately deny them out of principle. THAT takes effort.

>>153586610
>people who are good at PES
>/e/ manager who had never won a knockout game
>/biz/ manager
>/u/ TESTER who had never done anything other than lose a lot with memevitational teams
>Lear who never accomplished anything ever
No I'm pretty sure they just added people who wanted to help.

The foot stuff is literally a nerf? Like yeah the next abuse is making your striker take even WORSE off balance shots. Get your head out of your ass with your conspiracies.

>>153586610
Wait, is it "They faked a bunch of tests so they could get away with not changing anything", or "They didn't run any tests so they could get away with making selfish changes"? You're getting your tinfoil hats mixed up.

>>153586720
I would say that given the results in Summer that kind of effort really went to waste, huh? Most of the /rules/ guys got exposed. Unless you're suggesting that BGP actually is a lot more clever than any of us are giving him credit for. I don't want to live in that kind of world.

>>153586987
>Lear who never accomplished anything ever
A proud tradition that continues on to this day, uninterrupted.

>>153587035
>People are doubting your justification. You knew some of those stat changes made the goal average smaller, but you hid behind "muh gold playstyle", "muh throughball city" as your motivation without any proof.

>>153587489
The proof is in the games. You're justifying lower goals per game as immediate success.

>>153586987
Lear was just in there to oversee, he didn't participate

>>153587541
>the proof is in the games
>no one has seen the games
That's the point you dunce.

>>153587489
1.12 had the lowest goal average ever, let's go back to that!

What if we just made the goal smaller? Then the goalkeepers would have less goal to protect.

>>153587625
The proof is that moeshit was boring as fuck to watch.

>>153587673
This.

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>>153587769
Why didn't we think of this before

>>153587673
1.12 did absolutely nothing wrong

>>153587835
>claim that moeshit is invalid
>moeshit was boring as fuck
Which is it?
>>153587673
We're just asking for it to be less than 5 and a half goals per fucking match, man. Not for it to get back to 2.

>>153587625
Here's the thing about recording tests. When I'm testing for /rules/, I am just using my other monitor to furiously masturbate to anime porn. So unless you want to hear that, you're just getting screenshots.

>>153587769
Posted this in /rules/, we'll look into this straight away

>>153587673
>>153587835
>there are literally no middle points whatsoever between the lowest goal average ever (1.12) and the highest (now)

>>153588102
>When I'm testing for /rules/
Imfuckingplying

>>153588102
I want to hear your porn. And please make it visible in OBS.

>>153588018
Both. It was boring as fuck and people push for it. It was invalid as fuck from a representative standpoint and people push for it.

Daily reminder that the age of consent is 18. Calling your mental illness "Ephebophilia" does not excuse the fact that you're exploiting the naive and ruining families.

There's help available for you, anon.

>>153587035
I'm saying, that /rules/ guys didn't do shit other than dust in the eyes minimal alterations, cause they didn't want to risk their "knowledge" and "experience" and tactics in the upcoming cup

Tinfoil or not, that's the only reason I can justify their "changes"

>>153588481
imgay

>>153588341
>I want to have my cake and eat it too!
Bullshit, you can't write off all stat compression because of Harlock.
The stream earlier was perfectly watchable, had high scoring games and low scoring games according to tactics, how it should be. There's literally no reason to be against it.

>>153588018
>>153588167
Have you seen twitch chat autists? They call ResidentSleeper at any game that isn't constantly end to end action.

>>153588481
Daily reminder that the age of consent in other normal first world countries is 16 or lower.

>>153588581
It's a meme.

>>153588629
>I can touch children in other countries, so I'm going to have a tantrum about not being able to do it here

>>153588553
Then. Fucking. Test. It. More. 1.12 looked good once. PES16 looked good in Winter. Every big cup mistake ever has been "well this was good and oooooo it's shit now."

>>153588581
>taking the chat seriously

>>153588732
Hello? Anybody home? It's right there >>153584140
At this point you're just rusing me or are a complete retard. Betting on the second.

>>153588732
>PES16 looked good in Winter

#BringBack_1.03

>>153588691
>>153588782
No it isn't just a haha funny meme. The commentary joins in.
>haha the chat likes the PES16 meme goalfests but it's just a meme, it's shit really.

>>153588838
fuck no

>>153582562
If it has a name, we don't trust it. Like /4ccg/, for example.

>>153588837
Way to completely disregard what I just said for "nooooo there IS tests!" as if I ever said there's no tests at any single point.

Reminder VGL2 was 1.12 on Yairpatch and was fine

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this place sucks

>>153588995
This
>/merit/
>/rules/
>/ag/
>harlock
>1.04

>>153589023
>complains about lack of tests
"Here, have tests"
>says he never said there are no tests
Hey, get back here with those goalposts!

Summer was literally fine as a viewer. I can't wait for Autumn.

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>>153589105

>>153589317
Haha you're still doing it. You're the one moving the fucking goalposts. Here, reread this really fun part of my post again.

>1.12 looked good once. PES16 looked good in Winter. Every big cup mistake ever has been "well this was good and oooooo it's shit now."
Now I dunno about you but I'd say those were quite a lot of games run on some settings before we realised they were awful. A couple of streams doesn't prove anything.

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Hello, just for fun I will be testing the following stat buffs for FBs and CBs

Defensive Prowess: 85
"Indicates how quickly a player can respond to the ball when defending"

Ball Winning: 83

Jump Height: 83
To better contest headers on corners

Body Balance: 83
"Indicates how well a player can hold off opponents and keep balance when physically pressured"

ON GKS:
Clearing: 83
To cut down on sweeper spaghetti hopefully. This is a GK-only stat unfortunately so it can't be applied to defenders

I'm unable to stream but I'll post results in the next few days, if you have any suggestions I'm all ears

>>153589649
I understand where you're coming from on this, but position-specific boosts limit tactics a lot. Maybe try all nonmedals? Otherwise you might wind up with a ruleset that virtually forces 5 at the back or some shit.

>>153588882
Why not? Winter was better than Summer, and the only actual change is the version of pes

/rules/ has discussed a couple things just now, and we've reached a unanimous decision to make the goals smaller. However, the way PES works, the goalscoring area can't be changed so wide shots will still score.

Good luck in Autumn, everyone!

>>153589649
Good luck. I tried something similar 6 months ago and everyone ignored it.

>>153589754
How is that limit tactics? It's not like defenders have a second position to play in, let them at least be good defenders

>>153589479
>have to run on day 1 settings because these are public
>can't come up with own tactics because then actual managers would come up and say "THESE ARE SHIT AND THIS WAS RIGGED REEEEE"
>can't ask for sliders because >sharing muh tacticool jeans with you
>can't hold test cups because "muh meme tactics!"
Fuck you. Literally every single effort has been made and you conservative 99 gold faggots will STILL keep moving the goalposts no matter how hard reasonable peoiple try and find a solution.

/rules/ are responsible for:
>letting /mlp/ win a cup
>No Rule Changes
>holding the Cup hostage on PES16
>installing a puppet commissioner
>unbanning Dragonfag
>half of all /4ccg/ shitposts
>the terrible events of days such as September 11, 2001 and May 28, 2016
stay woke my niggas

>>153589824
That sounds like a perfect compromise.

>>153589920
Nice hyperbole and doomsaying.

>>153589649
>To cut down on sweeper spaghetti
Actually sweeper spaghetti is one thing that doesn't really exist. When the GK goes all the way up to clear the ball he does a good job.

>>153590037
Prove me wrong. Trip on and give me some sliders to test on, faggot.

>>153586498
An article in Horse News? We've really hit the big time now, lads.

>>153590120
/rules/ had a shared pastebin of tactics to work with and you could go get that from lear's post

oh I'm sorry I forgot they faked everything

>>153589920
trip on breh

Nobody would dare use their trips to argue in /4ccg/.

>>153590306
>on winter exports
What's the point

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>>153584140
I thought people said stat compression is bad and everything is slurpy
This looks better than Summer

>>153590306
>shared pastebin of tactics
>you let BGP test on secret Friendship Cup settings and have a say
>managers were free to rig it however they wanted
>no video of any of it

>>153590423
because it was before summer lol

>>153589649
What exactly is this "sweeper spaghetti" you're trying to cut down on?

>>153587769
>literally moving the goalposts
Well played, anon. Well played.

/rules/ has now shifted towards blaming Koala for PES16's randomness. Lear was heard stating that "if it hadn't been for that damn meddling marsupial, I'd have gotten away with it!".
More news at 11.

>>153589321
I agree with this. I had a blast watching summer.

[17:20:29] Myuer: I'm completely fine with leaving things as is for autumn.
Fresh from /rules/, know your own enemies /4ccg/

>>153584140
>run /fit/ vs /v/
>get the exact same game without the 87/90 spaghetti
>run /ck/ vs /a/
>get more goals than in summer with /a/ having EVEN MORE shots on target and /ck/ going 3(3) 3 goals
>run /u/ vs /vr/
>GET TWICE AS MANY GOALS
I hope this stream gets better in the final 3 hour vod because it sure as hell looks no better.

>>153591229
Myuer has given up.
He just wants to die.

>>153591229
Nice shitpost mate.
>17:20 when here it's 11 pm.

>>153591408
>being this retarded
It's the time from where whoever posted it is from

>>153591408
>the city of myuer

>>153591507
>>153591554
To indicate more proof that wasn't me you idiots.

>>153589927
letting /mlp/ win a SECOND cup ^:)

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>>153591229
>>153591408
>>153591606
Who is baiting who here

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>>153591606

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>>153591408
2 cute

>>153591274
Stop objectively analyzing what happened, we need change for the sake of change!

>>153591408
>Yuropoors

>>153591408
>>153591606
The awful thing is, knowing Myuer, he's really not pretending to be retarded

>>153592070
Being Italian is a serious disability

Is it just me or has /4ccg/ become substantially less shitty (it's still shitty) now that Summer has ended.

>>153592319
offseason is best season.

>>153592319
No, it's still shit.

You're ok though, anon.

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>>153591839

>>153592319
>less

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>>153592508
>waiting for Asenshi

>>153591343
>be /u/
>early group and possibly cup favorite
>shit the bed trying to copy the classic council strategy of testing mindlessly a couple thousand times
>now a likely early cup favorite again, with good reason

>>153591274
>>run /fit/ vs /v/
>>get the exact same game without the 87/90 spaghetti
>false-flagging this fucking hard just because you don't want to get rid of gold strikers
The summer match had /fit/ go up 2-0 in the first half and then /v/ score 3 goals in the second with one being a 90+.
In these vods /v/ goes up 2-0 in the first half and /fit/ finally finds a single goal in the second making it 2-1 at the end.
Overall gameplay looked much better as well.

>>153591948
Also stop replying to yourself just because nobody else took your bait before I did you fucking retarded mong.

>>153593030
I mean a slurpy as fuck 2-1 that was hard to watch.
'gameplay looks better'
games look worse. so many less chances but the goals per game hasn't actually noticeably improved?

>>153592617
Asenshi has been slow for like a year now, because all of their staff left and they got new staff

>>153593170
Damn this post made me realise that I took YOUR bait because you unironically think people disagreeing with you is samefag. Forget I posted this >>153593224. Waste of a (You).

>muh goals
Just play like /o/ or /fit/ or /v/ and actually defend well if you want your goals to go down. Maybe stop being /r9k/ or /p/ or /m/ with all your medals forward and no defence if you have an issue with it. Live and die by the sword.

>>153593710
Trip on DF

>>153593710
>play like /v/
You mean Mo/u/yes?

>>153593868
go watch /vr/-/o/ and tell me that pes16 is always goalfests all the time

>>153593224
>slurpy as fuck 2-1
Do you even read what you write before you post it?
2-1 is a perfectly acceptable goalscore for a football game.
>so many less chances but the goals per game hasn't actually noticeably improved?
>compare 3 games with the entirety of the Summer Cup
With a sample size as small as this we have basically no way of knowing if the scorelines have improved at all. All we can look at is how the game plays out.

>>153593352
>wah I was caught
Even if it isn't you it's still a fucking retarded reply and it adds absolutely nothing except a shoulder clap to you for pointing out something that's super obvious but completely fucking irrelevant.

>>153593916
/vr/ vs /u/ works too.
/w/ and /wsg/ were also pretty defensive teams too.

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>>153594014

>>153593916
Explain /mlp/ - /vr/, /mlp/ - /o/, /vp/-/out/, /trv/ - /gd/, /m/ - /biz/ and /lit/ - /adv/. Not all these teams run suicide offence, but PES16 on our current shit rules made them Super Slurp Specials, as you say, DF.

>>153591896
hands off, Myuer is mine! MINE!

>>153593874
Friendly reminder that /v/ plays nothing like /u/ as they didn't copy the sliders only the cards.

>>153593868
>>153593916
>spend half a year saying PES16 is fundamentally broken and no matter how hard you buff keepers it won't make a difference since the problem lies with defenders being literally retarded, but that all that can be fixed with harlock and/or 1.04
>do a completely 180 after it turns out it fixed absolutely nothing and might've even made the problems more prevalent
Really makes you think.

>>153594117
>/mlp/
>/trv/
>/m/
>/out/ and /adv/ (the same thing)
Notice every game you mentioned included a team that is really aggressively offensive.

reminder nothing you do will matter

>>153594117
>/mlp/-/vr/
4-3-3 v 4-3-3 in PES16 and neither of them were exactly defensive
>/mlp/-/o/
/mlp/ blowing it
>/vp/-/out/
Part of Jack's bed shitting after beating /sp/ (lmao all those preset changes)
>/trv/-/gd/
same as /mlp/-/vr/
>/m/-/biz/
possession 3-4-3 (read: still the least defensive "usable" formation) v 4-3-3
>/lit/-/adv/
memes

>>153594371
That's kind of the point that was being made you dolt, it's /u/ cards playing basically the opposite style

Every argument comes down to not arguing but just throwing accusations and writing your own history. This is why we need another rules open house. This is just one big continues circle of arguing that will never go anywhere and just alienate the people in charge more instead of organizing a way to fix the cup.

fuck this rules discussion

it's time brothers

>>153594569
Hey it's not my fault the people in charge are LITERALLY the least capable you could find.

>in-depth post about testing various rule changes
>no one cares

>4cc e-celeb being retarded
>endless replies

maybe this is why actual rule discussion is held elsewhere....

>>153594780
Nobody here is capable.

>>153594767
Did someone say Foojile?

>>153594927
you know it, brother :^)

>>153594767
>++
Nice

>>153594814
Nobody is complaining about the rules discussion taking place elsewhere. People are complaining because the decisions are seemingly super arbitrary and only made to defend the decision makers' egos.

Soccer is really fucking stupid, and virtual soccer is even stupider

>>153594401
>>153594565
TIL to be defensive you have to literally be /x/

It's not normal for possession 4-2-2-2 to sink 6 in, even if the other manager is retarded. Neither for counter 4-2-2-2 to let 6 in, but you'll always have yet one more excuse because you absolutely always have to be right, but you don't contribute anything positive to the discussion.

>>153595091
>(you)

>>153595101
>what are outliers
The vast majority of high scorers were between retardedly offensive teams and you ignored those to pick seemingly the only 6 games or so that weren't to prove a point.

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New /vp/ player?

>>153595173
>(me)

>>153595205
Want more that should have been normal soccer matches but ended up being Super Slurp Specials from Spring and the VGLel or are you going to move the goalposts some more?

>>153595247
Of course.
Muh boy can finally be on the team :^)

<Rigtor> i don't even bother with rule change discussion anymore
<Rigtor> People will just take what I say and twist it in whatever way they want to say that I'm a hack
<Rigtor> I unironically trust /rules/

>>153595307
>playing this game against DF
If you actually dig through the logs you'd realize that he's moved the goalposts so much that he's actually playing for the opposite team at this point.

>>153595452
At this point I know it'll do shit. He's got most of /rules/ following him like a god and the rest (read: Myuer) is being quickly removed from the cup.

>>153595442
Rigtor is a hack

>>153595615
>>153595018
>same trip
shameful

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Lads, how do we fix real live divegrass 2016?

<JohnnyBravo> The thing that makes me laugh the most is that these faggots think their tests make a difference.

>>153595768
Nerf Ronaldos now

>>153595880
>fake logs
absolutely ebin

>>153595768
We wait for Messi and TSUUU to retire. Then scores will go back to the usual instead of getting more goals scored in one match than in the entire normal league.

>>153595768
Make the teams play with the same stats, for once?

>>153593710
>Just play like /o/ or /fit/ or /v/
So, my options are:
- Having random retarded cards and rely on luck
- Rely on luck twice (90'+ a dead autopilot /ck/, drawing a 4-3-3 managed by clueless idiots) to get in the knockouts, then be a ro16 shitter
- Rip off a babby team

>>153595962
<Rigtor> I just like the sick sexual thrill of being abused for being a faggoty nancy boy
Bet you're gonna call that one fake as well

>>153595962
<Foojile>It's not time, lads. It's never been time.

>>153596097
>drawing a 4-3-3
aka the formation johnny made Summer /fit/ specifically to hard counter?

>>153596097
But /v/ are elite :^)

>>153595962
><Rigtor> I could be straight whenever I want
deluded hack

>>153596097
>drawing a 4-3-3
/v/ lost though

>DF comes out to defend JB, but not himself
I wonder who could be behind this?

>>153596097
Who did /o/ rip off?

>>153596341
You seem to have attempted to banter.

<Rigtor> At this point I should just keep posting ridiculous shit in IRC because /4ccg/ seems to enjoy doing that about as much as calling random anons me

>>153596341
Wait never mind it's 1 AM and I'm retarded

<Rigtor>Honestly I cry at night sometimes wishing I could come back to the cup.

>>153596472
<Rigtor> Honestly I cry at night sometimes wishing I could come back to the cup.

>>153596460
>If i say it's not me enough times then they'll surely believe me!
It doesn't even matter if it's really DF or not at this point since Vaughan and JB have become indistinguishable from him.

are we the best general on this stupid board or what?

<Rigtor> I am actually shadowmanaging /t/, that's why they will never come out of the fetus, ever.

>>153596647
Nobody from /4ccg/ has willingly contracted AIDS yet.

So no.

>>153596647
Yes since we're the only general on this shithole that actively hate and shun our tripfags.

>>153596586
At this point, everyone is either a DF proxy or a /4ccg/ shitter hack. You have to pick a side and don't get your own opinions, you get your opinions given to you based on what other people have said and you will defend them to the death.

By the way, stat compression is flawless.

>>153596712
>muyer farts
>everyone comes sniffing

motherfucking shunned

>>153596790
Don't worry, Myuer is fucking dead anyhow. Thank /rules/ for the loss of the only decent human being in this shithole.

>>153596790
>1 out of 60
nice le mon chéri picking

<JohnnyBravo> I fapped it to my high school year book once.

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>>153595247

>>153596925
he still doesn't love you.

>>153596775
So what are some unpopular opinions people have?

Mine is I enjoyed summer and had fun watching it and had no joy taken away with /mlp/ winning. I felt they earned it (as much as anyone can earn something that a pair of AI otherwise control.)

<ArtVandelay> hey guys, since we are already talking abuot dicks, do you know that feel when you are sitting in a car or bus and you get a boner every time because the streets are wobbly and your penis touches your pants all the time?

<ArtVandelay> hey guys, since we are already talking abuot dicks, do you know that feel when you are sitting in a car or bus and you get a boner every time because the streets are wobbly and your penis touches your pants all the time?

does Vaughan still do FF and is he still woefully bad at updating it?

>>153597085
>fun
go away

>>153597085
That is also my unpopular opinion.

>>153596790
>he doesn't like Myuer's farts
what kind of faggot are you?

>>153597137
>is Vaughan woefully bad?
Does a bear shit in the woods?

>>153597092
>>153597118
hi rigter
hi JohnnyBravo

>>153597137
Bruh, Autumn is a thing I have to be ready for. Give me a chance

Will Alola Exeggutor be on /vp/'s roster in Winter?

>>153597085
I like /mlp/, not as a favorite team, but they provide a lot of keks with some of the shit they do, like anthems. Seriously fuck you if you didn't find ">tfw no marefriend" funny, especially Boris' reaction.

>>153587865
Why isn't Gardevoire on my dick

>>153597539
Winning a third wooden spoon innit?

>>153597539
you had multiple chances and failed them!

<sillius> Sometimes I post pictures of my hairless pristine bottom in trap threads on /v/, it feels great to get complimented for once.

>>153588730
>the world ends at the borders of the United States of America
Typical
I'm pretty sure the age of consent in the US is actually lower than 18 in certain circumstances, though.

>>153597613
Being the best at being the worst is also an achievement.

>>153597549
Will Guzma be on /vp/'s roster in Winter?

>>153597687
yes allright allready, we know that either IRC is mental cases and/or you like to make up funny lines, those only get older, not funnier.

>>153597613
Getting that hattrick in 3 different competitions innit bruv

MINUS SIX GOALS

>>153597857
the latter

Thanks for the fun Summer Cup, everyone. Some very intense games towards the end there.

See you in the winter.

>>153598826
Stop this false flagging

>>153598826
bad b8

I wish /myteam/ had fanart

Shut up train. I'm busy

>>153598826
>anthro
>no hooves
Who did this

>>153599002
How exactly do you know if is falseflagging?

>>153599420
Doesn't matter what it is, ignore, report, bye bye.

>>153599420
/mlp/ would like to believe that they are not a bunch of irritating twats, therefor it simply cannot be legit

IT'S /CO/s YEAR BABY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Every argument ends in foojposting.

Finish this joke

>Vaughan walks in to a British dentist office

>>153600160
"The Aristocrats!"

>>153600160
I mean, it's already done

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>>153600160
he can't walk, he has no legs

>>153600304
You are pretty much a joke to begin with.

>>153600160
/n/

>>153601230
/n/ is a sad sad joke. Like /x/. Or /int/.
Why are fun teams shit but it took ages for /s/ and /wsg/ to be shit?

hurr durr stat compression is a meme

http://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Fakkin_Boolshet_Series_II

Reminder that there's only 10 days left to sign up, if you haven't already. Still several spots open!

>>153601472
hurr durr your a meme

What if I told you the cup is run by humans?

>>153601405
/wsg/ have decently fun medals (Duane) but they're still a very poor man's /f/ in roster and a destitute man's defensive team in playstyle

>tfw the planted ponyfag in charge of /wsg/ won't ever make eurobeat an anthem or goalhorn

>>153598826
This was /4ccg/ related.

>>153602276
girls aren't human.

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>>153602276
>Lear
>human
Lear is a cute anime girl and this picture is proof,

>>153602663
Can't be. Lear is overweight.

>>153602789
Lear is a hungry skeleton by his own admission.

>tfw you try to change things but Lear comes up to you and tells you you're a loser

So I've been doing a weekly stream for meme teams on Tuesdays the last two weeks, and as I said after the last one I now think I've cleaned up enough of my spaghetti to do open signups from managers of teams.

I'll edit in rules autism if people need it, basically assume it's Rigging After Dark rules.

Goal is six matches a week, every Tuesday; sign up for next week right now.

http://implyingrigged.info/wiki/User:Archie.m.vist/Tuesday_Night_Rigging

If you want a specific match, talk it over with whoever you want to play's manager and make a note of it on the page, otherwise matches will be randomly pulled from who signs up.

Posted the findings from today's tests in my user profile on the wiki, http://implyingrigged.info/wiki/User:MarcoZ - Again, I don't have high expectations other than I was curious to see how this setup would have looked without that Harlock crap. But I will say I'm pretty happy with it so far, the only real outliers have been /a/ - /fit/ and the /mlp/ matches, and that's because of tactics.
The goal average turned out to be 4.25 (unless I'm stupid and fucked up the calculation).

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>>153605129
>he records his managing stats for games of virtual divegrass and displays them as an achivement

>>153605129
No one cares, Fuck off

>>153605427
70+% efficiency is pretty good :^)

>>153601667
How hard would it be to make a team in that time? I have a roster but no idea how to do any in game stuff

>>153605129
Everybody cares. I love you.

>>153605427
For /r9k/ getting out of bed is an achievement, let's be real here

>>153605427
My user page being empty triggered me.

>chile

>>153605427
>he doesn't have a vanity page

>>153605680

Not very, about 2-3 hours from scratch, maybe longer if you're having trouble understanding the instructions. Once you got it down you can do it in about an hour and a half if you're slow as fuck like me.

Unless you want aesthetics.

Why do you people care so much about virtual memegrass?

>>153597556
Yeah, their fans are cancer but they did fun things with music and their stuff is really nice to look at.

>>153606013
Are there guides somewhere for making kits and a logo and that sort of thing?

>>153606118
I don't care, it's just fun

>>153605680
If you're doing it little at a time, it takes a few hours to read the pages on the wiki about downloading pes, making an export and making a kit, then putting everything into practice.
This is the least you need to do to make a team.

>>153606318
>kits
There's a guide on the wiki.

>logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImHuiYnVQ0

>>153599121
me too

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Not even RNGesus can make this anything but boring

>>153606318
>logo
1) make the logo as big as you can
2) don't be /gif/

>>153606118
I have nothing else in life

>>153605680
You can go on the >VGL discord and holler for aesthetics help. Its full of bored aesthetics people looking for something to do that can whip you something up real quick.

>>153605129
1 = MarcoZ and 2 = Summer group A and B

Goals Per Game
1 = 4.25
2 = 4.75

Shots (on target) Per Game Per Team
1 = 5.59(3.95)
2 = 6.41(4.58)

Shots on target %
1 = 70.66%
2 = 71.58%

Shots on target per goal
1 = 1.86
2 = 1.93

Average pass completion
1 = 85.625%
2 = 86.75%

Avg. Interceptions per team
1 = 12.08
2 = 11.67

Avg. Tackles per team
1 = 6.33
2 = 5.46

Avg. Saves per team
1 = 1.83
2 = 2.17

Come to your own conclusions.

>>153601667
>no text on page

>>153606908

Wew, wonder how that happened.

http://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Fakkin_Boolsheet_Series_II

Fixed link.