/evn/ - English Visual Novels

Awaiting a memo from HR for shitposting during office hours.

>>153554517
"use corporate approved memes next time fucko"

I just wanted to thank all the wannabe literary critics from last thread. You guys keep giving and giving.

>>153554207
>ephemeral, like our threads
deep, man

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>WORK EVEN HARDER /evn/

>>153555347
UAB writer is leagues better than all the other pretentious hacks mentioned in the last thread.

>>153555806
Truly the best EVN writer most be the most prolific and experienced one.

Which is partly me asking because I have no idea who in the EVN world has written the most games.

>>153555561
is this absolute madman doing everything on a single layer? Wew.

>tfw you just discovered Frame(img, tiled=True)

>>153555806
Don't blame those writers, they are just doing their work. They are not responsible for the buzzword-spouting and style guide-vomiting clowns we have here.

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>tfw you're a writer in the decent-to-good range

>>153557067
Post your "decent-to-good" writing.

>>153554207
Good luck implementing that UI.

>>153557338
Looks really easy to me?

>>153558229
Wow, you must be a pro.

>>153555347
>>153555806
>>153556818

I sit here, savoring your mongoloid attempts to babble justifications for your retarded and blighted worldviews. Your continued aversion to good writing betrays a total lack of contact with reality. I do not wish to be concerned with such tedium in future - I suggest you consider cultivating a Rich Inner Life, perhaps through a devoted study of Boethius. I do not expect that you possess the mental faculties required to comprehend his dissertations, but I am compelled to have you try, as I am ethically bound to offer my wisdom to lesser men when they so blatantly require it. You may thank me in due course.

>>153559432
Correction: a tryhard clown.

>>153557338
>renpy programmers

>>153559652

I am appalled that so meaningless a person dares such effrontery.

>>153560467
Oh, now you are just baiting.

>>153561081

Oh God! Don't tell me you were being serious?

>>153561326
This is a serious thread, for serious people, who make serious games.

>balls deep into current evn
>get idea to make a evn based off the /x/ homonculus hoax
>you play as a teenager that tries to make a homunculus from a chicken egg so he can fuck her
>ends up treating her like a daughteru instead

>>153562087
Do it Anon
But make it yuri

>>153561926

And yet here, adopting the self-satisfied tone of the most pedantic pedagogue, we have someone peddling pederasty in their ecstatic exultation of Unteralterbach as the divine manifestation of good writing to which us pretentious hacks should aspire. No justification is offered for this position, merely the hypocritical buzzword labeling of its ideological detractors as buzzword-spewers. Only the boundless benevolence of my god-like mind keeps me from railing against you in full fury, you cretinous philistine.

>>153562087
>ends up treating her like a daughteru and still fucks the shit out of her
Now we're talking

>>153562541
>>153562087
>ends up treating her like a daughteru but it's a boy and still fucks the shit out of her

>>153562506
I don't agree with you.

>>153562843

Thereby betraying your retarded and blighted worldview, and your total lack of contact with reality. Were you more aware, you might realize the astonishing lens of ignorance through which you take in the world, but alas, I fear such truth may be beyond you. I only hope that through my lengthy indictment against this century, I may be able to lead mankind to a more theological and geometric society.

>>153563183
I bet your writing is VERY BORING.

Who let jane austen out?

>>153561326
Oh, sure I wasn't serious of course. I was pretending to be retarded. Just like you, obviously. How could you not see it? You surely jest, you jesting trickster. Hidden behind multilayered sarcasm is the only way to live, right?

Am I doing it right?

>>153555561
Could you please move that chair just .5 m to the left? Oh, and cauldron too, I guess, so it's more in the centre.
Thanks!
It won't cost much for such a small edit, right?

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Only being able to work on a project for 4 hours each week is making me focus less on overall quality and more on just pushing things out until I have enough of them.

Still trying to figure out how to write adult scenes tho.

>>153566301
I really like the girl, but the guy is bent very akwardly.

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>>153569238

Are there any interesting evns coming out soon?

>>153574612
is queen of thieves interesting? (Probably not)

>>153574682
Was that by Winter Wolves?

>>153574612
Ladykiller in a bind.
Does it makes me gay if I like the art?

>>153574905
yeah

>>153575003
>Does it makes me gay if
yeah

>>153555347
What wannabe literary critics?

>>153559652
>>153561081
>>153565442
>anon makes incredibly obvious jokeposts
>flies straight over your head
>get defensive
wew

>>153577750
The one who sounds like a high school English teacher waxing about symbolism, metaphors and flaws as an excuse for everything. The rest are okay, just saying what they think with their own words.

>>153578083
Sure, that's why he kept squabbling with that other anon after I left for a while.
L A D
A
D

>>153566301
I'm an artist and I don't think my art looks this good but her lower part(The butt) seems to be off for me.

>>153579027
>I'm an artist
Post an art, an artist.

>>153579243
Don't make fun of me!

>>153578680
Those weren't excuses. They were examples of what makes Aura's writing better than average.

What do you consider to be the differences between good writing and bad writing? What do you consider to be an example of great writing, and why?

Discord channel when?

>>153562087
There's already a doujin with that exact premise.
He ends up fucking them anyway, of course.

>>153580989
why would you want to talk to those losers

>>153573004
Can you fuck it?

>>153580021
Okay, let's see. First of all, I got nothing to say about Aura. Not good, not bad. I honestly don't care. What bothers me it's the criterion you used. It looks like you had a list of things considered bad writing that you had to cross:
>heavily flawed. check. Can't be just slightly flawed and somewhat understandable/relatable, has to be heavy.
>show, don't tell. check.
and it's corollary:
>since you can't have the characters whose brain you supposedly inhabit express his own feelings openly because that's telling, I have to use metaphors and symbolism. check
These things are guidelines at best, not something that admits no exceptions and need to be preserved at any cost.

As for what I can consider good writing, it's nothing fancy like a list which takes into account the mores of a certain group of writters from a very specific time and culture. There are some formal elements which one needs to consider, but formal correction is a necessary condition for a work to be considered good, but not a sufficient one.
You can go Kafka and use long ass sentences with plenty of commas and semicolons, and it will still work regardless of being against of what they tell you in Writing 101. As long as the meat of the tale is tasty and the style you build around that quirk is consistent.
Or you can go Lovecraft. Waaa, purple prose. Yes, indeed. But he at least is coherent with it and the atmosphere of his tales stems precisely from that. You take it away and you'll have unremarkable crap. The resultig pacing is a bit slow for a 21st century reader, but you have to take into account when it was writen.
Tolstoi is slow as fuck too. Who cares about muh realism? The pacing is all over the place and not enough waifus!

I could keep going, but you get the idea: context dependency. The rules for writing a college essay don't necessarily apply to all visual novels.

>>153556113
Written the most games? Mikey, by an absolute landslide. After that it is Komi and Sake fighting for second.

>>153553175
kill

Seeing games with long wordcounts has become a turn off for me since I just don't have the time to play them anymore. I try to play a little each day, forget half the story a couple weeks in and give up. Anyone else have this problem?

>>153584572

Nor did anyone say that they do. It doesn't take a great deal of insight to understand that there are many different ways to write well - a quick comparison of Nabokov and Hemingway would make that obvious. The trick then is trying to understand why any given piece of writing is good, and there is no way to do that without citing specific examples. Symbolism and metaphor aren't required for good writing, but they definitely can contribute - as you say, guidelines. Aura makes use of them, and he does it well. I don't understand why you're trying to (incorrectly) extrapolate that observation to make everybody praising Aura's work seem pedantic.

>>153584572
Out of all the posts in this conversation, this is probably the most pretentious of the lot.

>>153592117
I binge on them usually. Try to get all the CGs for the characters I like and skip through the routes for the ones I don't by playing for hours and hours for a couple of days then forget it soon afterwards. That's even what I did for Boyfriend to Death, and I absolutely loved that game because muh fetish.

>>153593827
I wish I could, but an hour or two is the most I can manage most days.

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Sprite is a placeholder, but it's what the character will look like.

>>153596612
bretty gud

not again

> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/87885410/bunka-no-kenkyu-revival-of-queen-leyak

meh

>>153601007
I'd spunka those bunkas, if you know what I mean.

> Being this dead

so, is everyone working on stuff or what?

Where's my corporate memo now? Hahahahah.

>>153604374
I'm playing video games and haven't opened my project folder in two days.
might as well being on a lewd jam game because I'll clearly won't be able to finish it in two weeks. Though I don't want to be cheating scum profiteering on cheap hype.

>>153604374
i'm sick, playing vidya, and generally lost interest in /evn/

>>153584572
>writters

>>153604374
significant body pain

>>153604374
Too busy screwing.

>>153610072

> people play reading games
> they can't even read the OP

>>153610427
Sorry pal

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>>153610427
>professional writers
>think metaphors and characterization are pretentious
Such is life in the trenches of /evn/.

>>153611336
SOME metaphors are pretentious, anon.

You do not yet have my permission to die.

>>153614946
What about now ?

What are some misconceptions you had about making a game before actually doing it?

>>153617981
I know what a lot of others did; It gonna be easy.

Just woke up with my palm bleeding. Apparently, despite my relaxed attitude, I'm kinda stressed out with my vn and it's seeping into my subconscious. Enough that I'd have my nails digging into my palms while I'm asleep.

Fuck.

>>153620828
This isn't your blog fucker.
I hope you used some sort of disinfectant, don't want to get any nasty infections right?

>>153621560
I did. Sorry about that fampai.

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>>153620828
Neat.

>>153621696
Don't worry about it, I was joking.

>>153620828
oh wow that's scary but kind of hardcore...

>>153621874
I wish I could be that hardcore, if only someone would let me.

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>Googledocs continually suggests changing random words from present tense to past tense

embrace death

>>153627613
Not today.

LOOMIS

>make vn with choices
> hate choices
*sigh*

>>153629815
Hi /ic/

>>153632713
Hey. Don't diss the one true savior. He will help you turn your waifu into total hotties.

Manly hotties.

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>>153630712
>want to make a VN with choices
>it wouldn't make sense to have more than one route so most choices just change dialogue immediately/throughout the game or immediately result in a bad end

>>153633052
Make choices like:
-Fuck the girl.
-Say you are gay.

Then make 1st one inactive for steam release. And then sell it as decensor patch.
Works for any and every vn

LazyBump

>>153635962
>Read that as LezzieBums
Huh... that's saying something.

Okay.
I'm going to clean my room, and then I will work I swear! on my super innovative yuri VN.
Some one will need to continue bumping this dead realm until I return.

>>153638385
>Innovative
Yuri Harems are not unique.

hello

i like

tiddies

>>153639984
Will you add animated dicks to your game?

>>153641621
Punchable

>>153639405
AA dev here, that's not me. I'd never describe my own project with a word like that, it's arrogant.

>>153642048
>Arrogant.
Yeah you're not that at all. You're just whiny.

>>153642048
What is "AA"

>>153642352
I thought they meant AAA dev but typo'd instead.

>>153642186
See? World of difference.

>>153605843
Hello, me.

I realized that I'll never measure up to the standard of games I dream of making. It's pretty disheartening, so I'm taking a break from evn, probably permanently.

I'm good with being on the audience seat. Forgive me for the blog, but good luck with your evns senpaitachi!

>>153643713
Pussy

>>153643713
I guarantee you could do something similar to what you want, it just takes time and a bit of enthusiasm. It's probably a case of your idea is not as interesting as you thought it was to you.

How's /evn/?

>>153566562
>>153579027
Thanks for the feedback. There are a bunch more mistakes in it, and I'll see if I have the time to change any of them when all artwork is done.

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Hit it before stuff happens.

>>153646736
It's a rough sketch, there's nothing to hit.

Welp.

>>153646936
That's not entirely true. While I don't notice any substantial flaws with the sketches, I think the poses need to be far more dynamic. As it is, they're as plain as plain gets and nearly identical.

>>153649368
>I think the poses need to be far more dynamic
Totally agree with that.
left one should lift her skirt up, so we can see her cute bulge.

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>>153646736
>>153649517

>>153650173
>left
>no bulge
Still, I applaud your efforts

> "but there may be some Nitro+Chiral style endings in the game."

Fucking god, can we have one BL game without this shit? I realize everyone and their mothers have played n+c, but what's the deal with fujos and edgy bad ends?

>>153557338
>Literally a background picture with 4 buttons.
>"Good luck implementing that UI."

>>153650682
Women are mean mkay

>>153650682
Maybe they have played fuckall of BL games because they're EOP or something and don't know any better.

>>153651450
I'm pretty sure that's the case, but it's a self perpetuating cycle and one I'm personally sick of.

>>153650682
We like to see beautiful men suffer.
Up to you whether it's because we're all sadists, because we're punishing ourselves, or because we're punishing the beautiful men for not loving us.

>>153646736
Can you dick them?

>>153652123

yeah, but N+C is a very specific type of sadism. I like pretty boys suffer too, just not shitting meat and/or eaten.

>>153652430
okay true, and i haven't actually played those because that kind of thing is too weird for me
so yeah, i guess it's just people being stupidly trendy

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>$120+

>>153650173
*slow claps*
>>153649368
We're probably going the easy route.
>>153652125
Not really. Unless it becomes a BxG game.

>>153653556
>not attaching the dique to the main heroine
son

>>153650173
Forgot to mention she wears a panty hose.

>>153653832
hi tao

>>153654104
hi JP

Another yuri game jam?
https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=40096

Wow time sure flies.

>>153654860
Because there are not enough yuri games

>>153654941
well there aren't enough interesting ones
but you could always start a heterosexuality jam

>>153655161
I'd rather start a father/daughter jam

>>153650173
Does this mean left one really has a bulge?

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>>153655740

>>153655161
spoiler: they would all be otome.

>>153656584
Nope. Not in my script hahahaha. But she comes from a country that almost has Thailand-level ladyboys.

>>153656883
>spoiler:

>scum that follows you and then unfollows if you don't follow back

>>153658180
that's a strange thing to care about

>>153658180
The trick is to get enough followers that you stop noticing when people do that, senpai

>>153658180
>not hiding your follower count

I just downloaded long love the queen and I'm looking for general tips on planning my builds.

Is it generally better to double up on lessons or spread classee on a narrow variety of topics?

Is it okay to train off mood or should I be embracing the bonuses every week?

>>153659718
emergent gameplay and strategy is a lie, it's a statcheck after statcheck
look up what stats you need to pass events and raise them

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>>153659718
IIRC I had better luck spreading things out, but ultimately it doesn't really matter, because no matter how smart you try to play you will eventually run up against a bullshit check for the one stat that you didn't train and die. Many times.

Your best bet is to make a bunch of saves so that you can roll back if you get stuck. Otherwise just train whatever you want, forge ahead, and die a lot to get a feel for what stats the route you're on actually requires.

Hi can someone write my vn for me. I'm good at typing "lol" at your skype remarks, able to talk about food and have some cool ideas.

>>153660212
I was a little disappointed to say the least, I expected it to be stat checks primarily, but I thought the skills I chose would have a greater affect on the initial story. (i.e. choosing dogs opened up scenes in the kennels).

>>153660689
Will you become my personal onahole?

>>153659718
You're not supposed to win on the first try (though it is possible). Make builds that seem fun, laugh at the ridiculous nonsense that ensues, then use that information to plan another attempt.

>>153661220
>choosing dogs opened up scenes in the kennels
Hot

>>153661241
n-no, that's dirty

>>153661220
There's a tiny bit of that (choosing horses opens up the riding activity, but no stable events afaik) but the plot is more about the backstabbing nobles so what you do with them has more effect.

Sakura Space is out
http://www.nutaku.net/games/download/sakura-space/

>>153661518
>choosing horses opens up the riding activity
UNF

I shouldn't have given my story's crew red uniforms. They're dropping like flies.

>>153663337
Post art, nobody cares about your writing (unless it allows us to demonstrate our superior intelligence) and vague pointless spoilers.
That's probably the only (you) you're going to get.

>>153664463
I appreciate snippets of writing. Any progress posted in here is important.

>>153664463
It's more me just keeping the thread alive and last time I posted art I got no response to it.

>>153666672
I've noticed people tend to be more receptive to what you say when you post art rather than just the art itself.

>>153654860
>yaaaaasss
Why do I keep on seeing this around and why does it sound so terrible

>>153664463
>nobody cares about your writing
Incorrect.

>>153670236
I don't care about your writing.

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>>153670236
then why didn't you reply to him instead?

>>153668923
This doesn't look bad at all.
Although...
>800x450
Ehhhhh?

Any tips for a first time EVN writer?

>>153673714
Quit while you're ahead.

>>153673289
The quick menu looks rather small, I'd assume it's been scaled down to post.

>>153674781
>scaled down to post
Why?

>>153673289
I'm more concerned that it looks like you can romance a Maori. I hope the readers like vore and characters with an IQ below 50.

>>153675078
People often make them smaller to post in forum threads because they don't want to do separate thumbnail/full, and then those forum screenshots get grabbed and reposted here.

>>153673714
Start small. Seriously. Take your smallest idea and cut it in half. If you're lucky you might stand a chance at finishing it.

>>153675238
Oh right, I forgot the lemmasoft bullshit that doesn't let you upload full-sized screenshots and then just resize them to fit the page.

> translation randomly skips lines
> can't for my life figure why it's happening

whyyyy

>>153678748
Stop using TyranoBuilder.

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>write out your question
>get idea how to solve the problem
I fucking love it when it happens

>>153679289
Same, did that the other day. Figured out the solution when trying to write down specifically what was going wrong.

okay okay you can post your shitty writing, I was being unfair

>>153684605
the farmer look at you

>>153683407
No, I must now let the thread die in honorable seppuku.

>>153684605
is that a cash register made out of wood with actual wooden buttons

never mind us, just on our way to page 10

ebihime has yet another game out

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>>153689835

>>153690220
>>153689835
Really liked the demo but I can't rationalize spending money on an EVN right now.

Has anyone played Heirs and Graces? The art is weird, but if the writing was good..

>>153690679
>Winter Wolves
>Good writing
Hello, WW, haven't seen you in a while.

>>153661663
I wish it had Wanaca's art.

>>153691861
You should probably read posts carefully before you throw out your sick burns.

>>153661663
I wonder if giving girls that boring not quite thick but not delicously petite either body type is some kind of WC in-house rule or something

JESUS
CHRIST

Is Black Sands guy dead?

>>153695938
#BlackSandsLivesMatter

>>153695938
no he posts on facebook all the time

>>153696460
> all that merchandise
> for a game that isn't out
> not even for a crowdfunding campaign

???

>>153696675
Are you saying you haven't preordered the colouring book?

>>153695938
Didn't they change the name?

>>153698257
Did they? To what?

>>153698189

I have! And the posters, and the notebook and...

>>153698189
I only preordered the daki and the tailored black sand dildo

>>153699765
thick black cock

LOOMIS'd

Live

>>153705408
What's the point, if my senpai doesn't love me?

>>153695883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-3GOo_nWoc

>>153706756
Your senpai a shit.

>>153708896
surely it is i who am the shit

>>153709002
Both of you are. Problem solved.

>>153580021
Great writing is as simple as possible without fancy pretentious shit.

>>153710442

Does that rule out all poetry, then? And what is pretentious?

>>153710876
>poetry
Feelings bullshit

Anything with big words or figurative language or long sentences.

>>153710976
Purple prose, I think you mean.

>>153710976

This is a joke, right?

>>153711763
Most poetry is bullshit, especially modern 'poets' who can't be arsed to deal with meter and rhyme

>>153710976
Go to bed Hemingway.

>>153712254

>>153712254

Nobody said anything about modern poets. If you really sum up the works of all poets as "feelings bullshit," you are either totally ignorant or possess the approximate IQ of a liberal arts student.

>>153713108
I thought liberal arts students liked feelings bullshit though.

>>153713614

Hence their pathological inability to separate the divine poesy of Dante from the insipid ramblings of self-hating children in need of a GHF.

>>153714129
>GHF
Good hard fuck?

>>153714242

Indeed. You show excellent reading comprehension and staggering insight. Have you perchance delved into the works of Boethius?

>>153714320
I'm bad with acronyms pls no bully.

>>153714442

I would not dream of it, sir.

>>153710442
>>153710976
Anti-intellectualism is a disease of the mind. A memetic self-destruct sequence.

>>153715635
That depends. Why did you hate F/SN?

>>153715689
I hate every character. Never got my invested in the drama, slightly off put by nasu's prose.

>>153715635
Wrong thread friend.

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>>153715769
>hates every character
>only slightly put off by nasu's prose

>>153715776
That's why I deleted the post friendo.

>>153715893
I just wanted you to feel more shame.

>>153715769
Tsukihime's prose is no better, and the characterization, if anything, is worse. It's up to you.

>>153716024
I've always had the idea in my head that for some reason I would like Tsukihime a lot more no idea where it came from. I don't think I really like any thing type moon.

>>153716115
Tsukihime is shorter and less lacks a lot the meandering filler that Fate is full of. It's also more horror-ish.

>>153716115
It's pretty amateurish, which lends it a certain charm. I'd also say the characters are more likeable than F/SN's, even if they aren't as compelling.

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Tsukihime is like 80% bad. Arc and Ciel routes are garbage, the antagonists of the game are garbage, and Shiki belongs in an otome/BL game with that abusive asshole personality of his.

The maids, Akiha, and the whole Mystic Eyes of Death Perception boxcutter knife-fighter idea are the only things of value in the game.

As far as horror goes, F/SN did a better job.

>>153717375
Arc was best girl fag

>>153717375
Mystic Eyes of Death perception was better in Kara no Kyoukai. It also had the superior Shiki.

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>>153717443
Arc and Ciel are fine, really, it's just their routes that are worthless.

Ciel in asskicker mode is probably best girl. She looks like dogshit in her school outfit.

>>153717763
I would probably agree with you if I read the LN or watched the OVAs. That Shiki seems god-tier.

>>153584572
>As long as the meat of the tale is tasty and the style you build around that quirk is consistent.
Thank you. I don't know why it took so long for someone to say this in a discussion about "good" writers.

>>153719058

Because it's so immediately obvious that it doesn't even need saying.

>>153719058
Probably because it was originally about which EVN writers are better than the rest, so people weren't as focused on discussing the bare minimum expectations.

>>153719193
So then how come so many seem to forget about it when they're actually writing something?

>>153719253
Because some people are autistic, and when another person says something is an example good writing and explains why, the autist decides they meant that is the ONLY way to have good writing and makes a giant autistic post about it.

>>153719253

Because it takes time to develop an understanding of how to shape your style to suit your story. Few people have been writing VNs long enough to have a strong grasp on how that works (and I certainly wouldn't consider myself one of them).

>RED RED RED

I am death

>>153710442
This. As long as what you're writing is interesting, and your intent is clear. Symbolism, metaphors, words people have to whip out their dictionary for, and all that jazz can certainly assist when done well, but they are ultimately only adornments to the story. The thing is, and this seems to be easily forgotten, is they can also greatly detract from the experience when overused or written in an attempt to attach far more meaning and importance to something than is really warranted.

I mean no disrespect to aura, but you can tell everything you need to know about his writing from the first couple of sentences in his introduction.
>I call myself Aura. But that's not who I am.
>Aura is nothing but a name for me compartmentalizing myself.
It reeks of tryhard. The man feels compelled to state things that are incredibly obvious in a cringeworthy and needlessly complicated way. There's nothing deep or insightful in what I've read of his work, it's merely been dressed up to appear as if there is. I really don't care to knock him, I just have the feeling he gets so wrapped up in how he's writing, that what he's writing ends up getting kicked to the curb.

>>153711763
vast majority of poetry is pretty gay tbqhwy famalam

>>153723291

That was the final KS blogpost, not his introduction. He was looking back on five years of work, a time after which I think some self-reflection was warranted. It's true that the pseudonymous identities we construct as visual novelists are often separate from our real selves, and there is nothing at all pretentious in stopping to ponder that for a moment.

I'd have to ask what you have read of his work, because judging a person (incorrectly) off two lines of a blogpost is just about the definition of judging a book by its cover.

I also don't get the feeing of try-hardness. His "dressing up" serves to add extra layers to the story which make his point all the more meaningful.

If you don't like his style, which writers would you consider good?

> https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=40139

wow!

>>153725089

Whoa. Them's some production values.

>>153725089
>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=40139

I was just looking at that, the backgrounds are really nice. It gives off a vaporware feeling though.

>>153725089
i'm surprised this is the artists project

>>153725089
>>153725261
>blatant 3D everything
Am I missing something here?

>>153724114
Introduction was a poor choice of words. To me it is him "introducing" himself and the team, but it is still clear that it was written some time after the game was finished, so that's my mistake.
I read his blog posts and Rin's route ages ago. I'm speaking from my experience with it from back then. I used these particular lines because they were easily accessible and short, while still being adequate enough to embody what I dislike about his writing.

> serves to add extra layers to the story which make his point all the more meaningful
I don't think they do. They felt tacked on in order to embellish the writing itself. I'd go so far as to say it was often times to the detriment of the story. While I think aura is obviously intelligent, and even if I thought he was a good writer, that wouldn't automatically mean I'd consider him a good storyteller.
Though it has been quite some time so I won't be able to provide specific examples from the route if you're thinking of asking. All I remember enjoying was Act 1. The rest I did not care for.

>which writers would you consider good?
Anyone who follows along with what I mentioned in the first portion of my previous post.

>>153726409
Looks better than ebi-hime games.

>>153726949
I agree that the visuals are nice, but you're comparing a veteran developer with many released titles to a thread in the earliest stages of conception with no prior projects. They could disappear in a week and never be heard from again like 75% of developers.

>>153726943

Fair enough - I can definitely understand where you're coming from. I think a story should always aspire to be more than a story, though - it should ask questions and make an attempt to answer them, either directly or not.

I personally found Kafka dreary and aimless, and that Lovecraft lacked anything deeper than the surface. I've yet to tackle Tolstoy. For all that, I can appreciate that there are aspects of their writing which resonate with others.

>>153725089
>3D
>VN
Why not go for full RPG instead?

Has anyone played va11-hall-a? What did you think of it? I'm about in hour in. It's alright, but the dialogue isn't impressing me so far.

>>153727958

I haven't, though I've only seen positive reactions so far. What's it like?

>>153728031
Really nice looking pixel graphics and overall GUI. You work a drink mixing simulator while talking to people about their lives in some kind of cyberpunk dystopia.

>>153727958
I pre-ordered it like three years ago or so, and had very high expectations having built it up in my head, so I do believe that has effected my outlook of the game. In my opinion: The writing was average, the music was good, the character art is amazing and the general cohesion of everything is amazing. It all fit together to make a good product, but I feel like it could have been great had the writing not fell short a few times.

>>153728527
That's the impression I'm getting, though it's not like I've gotten into the meat of the game yet. I'm enjoying it, but it feels like it could have used some tighter editing.

>>153727958
its nice. i played i think 2 hours and then havent gotten back to it. the problem with 'comfy' games for me is there's no driving force to get me to finish it, so i quickly find other games

>>153728708
oh and the old demo had a drinks system that was much better. you have to remember ingredients vs a book. you can also make drinks through mistakes not just a botched attempt. not so friendly for the average vn fan who sits through kinetic novels on auto, but fun for me

>>153728867
Was it the same ingredients? I would fail so bad at that for awhile, I could only remember how to make beer and a few others without looking. It would have made it more fun though.

>>153727501
>I think a story should always aspire to be more than a story, though - it should ask questions and make an attempt to answer them, either directly or not.
I can certainly agree with that to an extent, so long as it doesn't infringe upon the delivery of the story itself, or get so wrapped up in them that it starts to lose its identity. That said, I can see why you'd appreciate it. In the end, it is, like everything, all just a matter of preference.

>>153726943
>I'd go so far as to say it was often times to the detriment of the story.
I completely disagree. On my first playthrough of Rin's route, I didn't pay any attention to the symbolism or the narrative structure or anything like that. I just enjoyed a moving story about understanding, being understood, accepting who you are, and accepting who others are. It was poignant and effective and universal.

It wasn't until after my first playthrough that I went back and picked apart all of the layers and noticed how meticulously put together it was.

That, in my subjective opinion, is an ideal story. Something that can be enjoyed on a surface level, but under scrutiny and repeat readings/viewings/playthroughs, offers something greater.

Don't get me wrong, succeeding on that surface level is the primary objective, but there is room for so much more than just the basic needs.

psssh..
youll die when i say u can
kid......

>>153733550
I'm already dead.

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>should really play one of ebi-hime's games since everyone says they're great
>rock bottom zero interest in a single thing she's done

welp

>>153735917

>Not wanting to play games about blonde loli donut divers

What shit taste, anon

>>153725089
> make a long ass post
> tells me nothing about the game itself

Best EVN dev blog?

>>153737513
Is this 2012

>>153735917
Everyone doesn't say they're great. Everyone says they're better than the worst generic weeb trash.

She's not illiterate, she has a style, and she focuses on the needs of the story she wants to tell rather than cramming everything into a dating sim formula in order to give you a range of perfectly pandering waifus. However, if you don't like the writing style, or you're not interested in those particular stories, or you generally want VNs to hurry up and get to the point, you're not going to enjoy the games and you shouldn't try to force yourself to play them.

Just because some people like them doesn't mean you have to either like or denounce them.

Unless you're a researcher. Then you pretty much have to.

>>153738657
No, it is the [current year]

>>153738273
are dev blogs even a thing anymore? I remember every one doing one to imitate KS (which may be why people seem to be so intimately familiar with Aura's writing style) but nowadays it seems everyone's just on twitter and even tumblrs are just for images

>>153739886
Writers and copy-pasters would prolly use devblogs more.

Tumblr's more hip with copy-tracers.

>>153739886
Winter Wolves makes blog posts occasionally, I think they may double as newsletters

I hope /evn/ won't roast me when they see my badly written article somewhere.

>>153743702
Don't worry. No one will read it anyway

>>153743720
What quality was that bait, senpai?

>>153743963
I'm sorry, I don't speak your memes

>>153745708
fucking joshua, every goddamn time

>>153743136
Nutro? Nuvu? Novo?

>>153748202
Pretty obviously Notra, senpai desu.

>>153748297
found the ayylien
because to a humanoid that's not obvious at all

>>153745708
This is truly an inspiration to how I should do GUIs. If people can't read the text, the writing can be as bad as I want!

>>153749108
It isn't actually Notra, is it? Looks more like Nova.

>>153658180
bet it's the same dude that followed me

Good night /evn/. Live.

>>153753246
eh

>>153749698
My money is on Nova.
Anons, place your bets

>>153735917
The way we all go was actually pretty enjoyable, honestly I think it was her best game. The rest were all pretty okay, but most of them feel too short or like they're missing something.

>>153553175
>english VNs

why?

>>153739886
People do them for video games. For VNs they seem kind of pointless.

>>153757695
But why not?

>>153757695
because we really love sakura

>gui is hacky
>need to include something not needed to fix something that is needed partially
>can't be fucked to rewrite everything
goddamn this shit.

>>153758381
>renpy programmers

>>153758574
I'm just a writer/artist damnit, don't hate.

>>153758816
Renpy is ridiculously easy to learn, you don't have to be an actual program to use it and use it well unless you're going for something especially ambitious

>>153762385
Most actual programming isn't -that- hard if you can follow directions and get over the mental block of thinking it's more complicated than it is. But it looks such an enormous mess from the outside that people are often afraid to experiment.

>>153763493
This. And renpy programming is specifically tailored to people who think they can't into programming, most of the groundwork is already done for you.

>>153763493
>>153763661
Disagree. Took a couple years in high school, and then tried codeacademy or one of those other online courses. Actual programming is tough.

>>153763804
There's a pretty steep learning curve, you just need to get past that.

>>153763904
You could say that about anything? Flying a plane isn't that hard, you just need to get past the steep learning curve.

>>153763804
Most, I said. It really depends on what you're trying to do (and who's teaching it). If you've gone at it for a couple of years, you definitely could have wandered into parts of programming that are not easy or fun. However, I will bet that your couple of years gives you more than enough grounding to do anything you'd need to do in RenPy.

Holy shit, the community section for Heirs and Graces gave me cancer.

> why is it yaoi? why not offer both or make it straight?

>>153769882
Why don't you give me what _I_ want? Games are useless if they don't appeal to me. You're losing a sale.

>>153770408

It doesn't appeal to me, so it's trash!

Bum

>>153770767
looks cool

>>153770767
I feel like it'd work better with the picture stuff on the right and text on the left.

>>153769882
WW response

>Hi,
>thanks for the feedback. This game was an experiment, since I am also doing some yuri-only games. I actually started TWO yuri only games before this one, but for a reason or another, they're not ready yet :(

>However, you're right about offering more options, and I think in future I'll try to have both playable genders (male/female), or if I have to choose, female protag with otome and yuri, since those two are by far the most popular (at least from my own experience).

>In my next game Queen Of Thieves (in beta now on my site) there'll be that combo (otome/yuri) and it also has a very nice art, so keep an eye on that one :)

Both genders in the future, or a female protag with both otome and yuri options confirmed.

>otome/yuri

zzzzZZZZZZ

>>153781557
You are not his target audience.

Review of Sakura Shrine Girls

https://merumeruchan.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/review-sakura-shrine-girls/

tl;dr >Overall, if you’ve played any of the other Sakura games, you’ve already played this one.

>>153783673
>Toru is a skeptic who happens comes from a long line of medium priests

Highway Blossoms review

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/08/12/highway-blossoms/

tl;dr the MC and her love interest were better as just friends

In your heart shall burn

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>composer asks for royalties
>on top of his normal fees

>>153788990
Unless you're planning on selling the OST, that is unethical as fuck.

Post more /evn/ reviews. I like reading them.

>>153789162
It's not unethical to ASK. It's unethical to assume and demand if it wasn't agreed to.

>>153789338
http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/06/28/va-11-hall-a/

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/08/24/just-deserts/

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/08/16/c14-dating/

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/07/13/one-small-fire-at-a-time/

>>153789509
>i don't want to lower myself to your shitty project unless i'm getting a cut of the pie

>>153789338
>>153789695
http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/05/31/a-little-lily-princess/

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/04/27/lucid-9/

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/04/18/sickness/

http://fuwanovel.net/reviews/2016/02/14/no-one-but-you-2/

>>153779717
What makes you think that?

We read left to right, so the previous page(chapter intro) should be on the left and the next page should be on the right (chapter content).

>>153788990
There are so many composers that they should be grateful to get any paying job at all

>>153790039
Yeah, and I just think it would be easier to start reading from the left. I imagine that chapter image stays with you the entire time with how the layout is, in which case it's irrating to the eyes constantly looking to the right when you usually look at the left. If the image area becomes text on the next page then that's fine.

>>153790057
If this is the case then why get huffy about it? Go hire one of the thousands of others.

>>153789895
Might be a case of offering lower rates in exchange for a cut, or of simply being used to working with people who did give them a share. I have no idea how common that is.

>>153790568
>Might be a case of offering lower rates in exchange for a cut
I can't imagine this is ever a good deal for the developer unless you expect your game to flop terribly.

>>153791384
It may not be the most advantageous outcome for the penny-pincher, but having your contributors share in your success can improve their commitment (meaning you get better work out of them) and provides an overall sense of fairness.

You may find that you feel a bit guilty if you earn $500K on your game and you only paid your musician $800.

>>153791615
>your contributors share in your success can improve their commitment
HAHAHAHAH no

>>153791615
>but having your contributors share in your success can improve their commitment (meaning you get better work out of them)

I think one of the biggest benefits of giving someone a royalty (even if it's just a small percentage) is that it makes them more likely to promote the game themselves.

Depending on the reach that they have on social media, having them become an "advocate" for your game could be worth cutting them a few percentage points.

>>153792637
hi Sekai Project

>>153740571
WW does blog posts on a weekly basis, but I guess that comes with the territory when you release a new game every few months

>>153791384
I think it's more for people who simply can't afford money up front. Paying someone in royalties is like "borrowing" money from them for the duration of the dev cycle, but then you have to pay it back with interest (I doubt people would take a royalty in place of upfront payment unless they expected the royalty amount to be more than they would have gotten directly). And like any loan, you can potentially "default" on it if your business venture fails, i.e. failing to hit projected sales = lower royalties paid out

when everything is coming together nicely after a hiatus
yiss.

>>153792637
Or you could, you know, hire someone to market your game. Or do it yourself.

>>153795312
>when EVN will never develop a spooky detective VN with lovecraftian elements
nooo

>>153797018
If you actually like and respect your composer, then why not?

I just heard that Sakura Dragon going to be a thing.

Winged Cloud apparently "hired a professional Japanese yuri writer" to work on Sakura Adventure.