/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris and 4X Games General

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>>153544805
this is not a battle we are going to win my bugs

>>153544805
>losing to Koreans
Explain yourself

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FUCK YOU SIAM YOU TRAITOROUS SHIT

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I like Seven Kingdoms 2.

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>>153544901
I didn't lose, I lost one city for a few turns due to turtle ships.

>>153544909
>56 unhappiness and -1000 gold

oh my god

ok guys for a long campaign what ma and more so what country ?

>>153545060
>>153544805
>named cities nowhere near where they actually are
*incoherent rage intensifies

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>>153545129
It got worse when the game ran out of chinese names

>>153544884
Yo if you're playing Hivers you gotta go burster cannons. Those guns are ridiculous, they smack ships around harder than mass drivers.

>>153545207
What mod lets you City Sprawl like that?

can enemy civilizations get their spy back after i kill it or do i cuck them hard?

>>153544942
>4x

>>153545339
You mean the city distance?
It's an option for ynaemp that is in by default.

It's there so european civs have room to place cities.

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Let me steal your ideas for your ideal/dream 4x game.

>>153545093
>>153535120
the path to victory is paved with blood and tears

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>>153545236
fuck

unless this mod has changed the order of this I think this means no bursters

>>153545391
actual fun space combat like in SotS but in a game where there is actual depth to the rest of it

>>153545391
No they're gonna make me rich one day

>>153545347
i think they recruit a new one but it will be at rookie strength

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>>153545457

TELL ME GOYIM

>>153545391
Alpha Centauri 2.
Think BERT, but without it being a half-assed piece of crippleware.

>>153545598
damn I thought the old one would be resurrected

>>153543459
In common/common templates there's an excel document where it lists weapon types.

"%of dmg that will
go through shields"

Arc Emitters at 0.5
Torpedoes at 1.0
Energy Torpedoes at 1.0
The rest at 0.

Under Shield damage though Energy Torpedoes are at 0, and Torpedoes are at 1.0
Kinetics 1.15, disruptors at 2, most at 1.0.

Not sure why Torpedoes and Energy Torpedoes are different there, or if it affects anything.

Maybe by virtue of being an energy weapon they needed another line to make sure it didn't damage shield.

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holy shit this meteor shower doubled my resources, that's a win right there, and most of the population survived too

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Jealous?

>>153546586
Dear lord that's a lot of energy.

>>153546325
Maybe energy torpedos hit hull AND shields at full force? So they basically do 200% of their nominal damage?

I guess this question is asked like 10 times per general, but still: is Stellaris worth it? I loved EU4 and Victoria 2.

>>153546586
>>153546737
> start new game on Hard
> home system has a sum total of 2 phys research, 2 soc research
> nothing else
Looks like a lean Christmas at my ayylmao's house

>>153545391
Sprawling across multiple planes of existence such as Hell or The Dimension of Punches, options for magic vs. tech vs. biologic.

Alternatively or in summary, something Rifts-y

>>153546890
You're right, it IS asked 10 times per general.
Answer is still no. Check back in a year or two.

>>153546890
Not yet, but it has a lot of promise and potential to get there.

So wait how come I can offer systems to trade in Stellaris but I can't ask for systems to trade?

>>153546862
>Maybe energy torpedos hit hull AND shields at full force? So they basically do 200% of their nominal damage?
No, why?

It specifically states that energy torpedoes does 0 damage to shields if they ever were to hit them.

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>>153546890

You'll get a lot of contrarians or people with really high standards to reply to you, but I'll tell you from someone who plays the game on his own without using the internet as my hivemind.

Yes- I thought it was quite fun.

It has some really slick mechanics that, while minimal, have enough choice and depth to be interesting. The random research is a huge relief and enjoyable thing about it in my book, though it isn't 'really' random, but I know many people hate that. Ship design and weapon balance is interesting if somewhat limited, diplomacy was a bit barebones at launch and still is, but recent updates have made it MUCH better with the inclusion of stuff like Trust.

Grand Strategy game design and mechanics, such as war goals and factions within the empire, make it super interesting politically compared to most 4x games, but less interesting then most grand strategies. It's still really interesting to see some of the stuff that happens and how organic it is; such as how if you play as Xenophobes all new aliens you discovered are called 'menaces' instead of aliens and recently in one of my own games the planetary colony closest to my spiritualist neighbors had a few pops turn spiritualist themselves though my race is not normally spiritualist.

Sadly one thing I will say that I don't enjoy is the repetitive events and anomalies. While I have restarted the game 4-5 times as different races and been playing on multiple save files I've still seen a few anomalies repeated which is a shame.

The character/race creation is really good with a lot of choice on ethos and government types. You can imagine your race having almost any kind of society you wish within the game's perimeters if you enjoy roleplaying. The game's racial/biological traits for your species are somewhat more limited, but it's a good start even if it is barebones.

I haven't beaten the game yet though so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

>>153546890
Worth a pirate imo.
After that you can see if you want to buy it.

I think it runs too poorly later on in the game, but maybe that's because of my comp.
I don't mean due to graphics or ship combat which a lot of fixes seem to be about.

>>153547292
What's your specs then

>>153547234
>The random research is a huge relief and enjoyable thing about it in my book, though it isn't 'really' random
Yeah I like the research.

It's really the same sort of research that you have in Civ2, but with repeatable techs and you can weigh it in your favor through scientists.

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I have come to the realization that I do not have enough firepower to even dent this asteroid monitor

>>153547417

What game?

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What are these?

I got the first one from researching debris, but now I can research II which gives the exact same thing?

>>153547657

I think all of those weapons are really shitty except for the mining laser one, and even that is only decent for a short period of time before you start getting level 2-3 technology especially at how fucking energy high the cost is.

I'm honestly really disappointed with the debris based weapons in Stellaris- they are not only kind of shitty but SUPER fucking expensive to research without getting more then one field of debris. Kind of pointless.

>>153545449
SotS combat is the tits. I always liked how everything is a simulated projectile instead of a graphic with dice rolls.

>>153547784
I don't think you understood the question.

I know what Mining Drone Laser is, I know what Cloud Lightning Conduits is.
I've researched their debris, and I can put them on my ships now.
How good they are doesn't matter and is irrelevant to the current issue.

Note the II at the end.
There a second technology in that line I can apparently research now, but it offers the same thing as the first one.

>>153545391
>>153547417
What are you doing attacking the asteroid monitor jeezus christ anon I'm pretty sure you can research techs to take control of them. Use 'em to defend systems.

>>153547624
sword of the stars

a game with really fun space combat supported by an acceptable if hardly groundbreaking everything else

the research is great too, and the 6 different races are actually different enough to bother playing them all, but the game is fairly straightforward and you basically just colonize planets and build ships and have wars with other empires. There's random events that happen sometimes and stuff, but really it's the combat which is the fun bit, you can design really specialized ships like a massive dreadnought that fires tonnes of dumbfire missiles forwards and you get to actually watch it go into combat and fire them all off and stuff. Or make a big fleet of cruisers with gauss weapons and knock the enemy around so they can't aim anything at you

>>153547981
the fish already own it, I'm invading them

it didn't go very well though I might just leave that planet alone for now, it's surrounded by planets with gates on them so it's not like they can do much from there anyway

>>153547996

Oh shit, I've played the Rogue-like version of that game.

Is that the one with the weird race of males that look like humanoids but females are like big bearwolves or something? Maybe they are also psychic? I heard about the game once from a second hand source.

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I like Seven Kingdoms 2.

>Still waiting for ES2 beta
>Still waiting for EL Tempest
>Still waiting for Civ 6

Man, it's looking like such a good year for 4X shit but we're just so close yet so far away.

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>>153547013
>>153547234
>>153547292
Ok, thanks for all the answers! I think I'll try pirating and then I might buy it.

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>>153548152
that might be the lizard people, because the other choices are the whale people, the bird people, the bug people, humans, and the zuul

actually it might be the zuul, they're kind of humanoid looking marsupials and they have psionic powers

>Tachyon Lances and Battleships both finnish in 22 months

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New Stellaris update looks cool

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>>153548906

Are those cats always a fallen empire?

>>153549059
oh fug :DD

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So my borders recently pushed into these two planets.

>>153549396
Titanic life lets you train 3 Titan Armies.

They're completely worthless like all armies of course, but they're still cool for RPing Spess mahreens with Titan Legions

>>153549707
Armies like gene warriors are nice so you can overwhelm a planet without bombarding it.

Might get the titanic life planet later for the titans later on, but there's no rush.

My first game I colonized two planets on the other side of the galaxy for titanic life modifier.
Both were gaia with 20+ size, neighbouring systems.

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>when the bird people end combat peacefully with your gate ship on their planet while you're at war
time to get buggered in the cloaca you feathered fucks you should have accepted my ceasefire

>>153549818
In the time it takes to train one spess mahreen, you can train 5 normal armies.

Hitting them with 60 normal cannonfodder armies means you will be able to overwhelm any planet no matter what.

OK, no. If they have 12 mahreens on the ground and are extra strong they MAY still kick your ass.

>>153548695

Ahh, alright.

Anything else interesting you can tell me about the game? Any cool gameplay mechanics? What makes the combat so fun?

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>>153550114
The combat is fun because you can actually design your own ships and put different parts and guns on them, which you have to acquire by researching things. They all have different visual effects, sound effects (in space), damage, speed, and properties like lasers bouncing off certain upgrades you can research and apply to your ship, but gauss weapons not doing so as much. You can get stuff like ship sections that have shields that detonate tracking weapons like missiles, sections that are dedicated to making a whole bunch of powerful, front-facing barrage guns, etc.

And the cool part about it is you actually get to then use these ships you design in real time battles and stuff like positioning, facing, range, etc. actually comes into play. My favourite current strategy is, because of the positions of the turrets on my frigate centre section and because I'm Hiver, is to put them in a big line and put them in broadside mode to make maximum use of the angles my turrets can fire in. If you cover your ship in close range phasers or beam lasers or whatever, you'll probably want to also make them fast and tough so they can get in between the enemies and fire all around them.

Currently I'm early on in the game, so I only have the smallest and least customizable ship type, and not very many parts and weapons, and only the first tier of power, fission. Once you get up to dreadnoughts you can start making some ridiculously awesome ships. Here's a tech tree that shows what you can get later on, also it's semi-random so you don't always end up having access to things in each game, and different races are more likely to get certain techs, like bird people get more energy weapons, and Hivers get more kinetic weapons.

>>153547657
Cloud lightning conduits are weapons salvaged from Void Clouds. Whilst they do get overtaken technologically fairly promptly, the range on the large-sized ones is not to be sniffed at if you want to make artillery destroyers.
By contrast, another weapon available is the Arc Caster. This has a very short range, but does a lot of damage and hits multiple targets. It's basically a space shotgun for swatting corvettes. They have similar icons though so don't get them mixed up.

>>153550710
That ugly UI though...

>>153549396
>colonising in the borders

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>>153550710
This is one of my frigates which has four guns on one side in the central section and none on the other, which means you want to use it for broadside attacks. Unfortunately, Hiver ships are slow and tough and not particularly manouverable, so the fish ships are kind of just flying around me at the moment making it sort of not so useful because I can't turn fast enough for the turrets to be on the right side so much.

>>153550917
She might not be super pretty but she sure is fun, besides it's 10 years old

>>153550736
Looks like you also misunderstood the question.

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I used to think hating on clustered starts was a meme, but now I'm not so sure AND I remembered the pic

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>>153551176
>>153551275
Samefag.

>>153551351
Isn't it unrealistic for a blade to behead someone so easily like that? There are many bones and muscles in the neck.

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>>153551078
now this is broadsiding

>>153551815
You would like Rebel Galaxy, I think.

>>153551795
>be such a wimpy girl you couldn't sever a spongy neck with a perfectly sharp hunnic sword

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>>153551815
Can you change the colour of your beams and make something like pic related?

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>>153541832
For that guy who asked and never responded

>>153551795
It isn't unrealistic at all, especially since he obviously cut through with a full swing.

>>153552010
What game?

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>>153552132
EU4
Or if you're talking about that webm, Total War Attila.

>>153551935
Oh that does look neat, I'm gonna give that a shot, that looks like the kinda of thing I've been looking for

>>153551976
You can get different coloured beams but that's because they're different weapons, like phasers are yellow, UV beams are purple, then you have all this other shit like particle beams, neutron beams, meson beams, gravitron beams, lancers, whatever, but there would be no practical reason to not use the best one you have, cos phasers are an upgrade to UV and green beams, and all the particle beam things are straight upgrades too. But if you really wanted to you could stick all the types of beams you have on a dreadnought, I guess.

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>>153552261
I don't remember EU4 having any formation thingy.
All I remember is that you need to have 30% more troops than your enemy, that your discipline needs to be high, and that the RNG can fuck you up.

>>153552321
It's not strategy, it's more of a lite freelancer.
But it's focused around broadsides, so it might please you. Try a demo.

>>153552359
That's just the formation they take when actually fighting in battle and the calculations that go on in the back.
I'm just explaining the general 'best army' for a n00b trying to play as KANGZ.

>>153552473
Oh.

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>>153552619

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>>153552690
I have worse.

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>>153552770
You sure you didn't save that from me?

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>>153544909

>no home-army nearby

What are you supposed to go for in Thea?
I keep losing people and can't replenish them.
Cabbage Gardens don't do jack shit.

>>153554171
Buildings only attract people. It's RNG. Focus on keeping your people alive rather than replacing them.

>>153554538
>Focus on keeping your people alive
this is so much more important. If I lost people early on I restarted

>>153553001
Damn, I love TW.
They have so many cool little details.

But after Rome 2, I canot ever justify giving them money again.

>>153554664
Attila is legitimately worth your money
Rome 2's launch was fucked but it's passably good now, although Attila is better in more or less every way.
Also R2 killed a lot of features that show no sign of ever returning.

>>153544805
Why are all those cities just three tiles apart?

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fuck you von neumann

>>153554740
Attila brought back the prisoners, didn't they? I missed them in Shogun 2.

>>153555230
Prisoners as in recruiting them? Yeah. They also have civilians running around screaming during siege / near-city battles.

>>153554767
>>153545379
>>153545379

>>153554740
>Rome 2's launch was fucked but it's passably good now
I know. After playing with the roving landships for a few days on launch, waiting for a few weeks, playing while being unable to move units from one army to the next or from cities to armies, giving up for a year and returning to see a game that was almost playable and only had roughly one third of the buildings functionally broken but had been upgraded to some version that included their jewish on-launch DLC FOR FREE. . .

Well, no. Fuck that shit. I've bought, and loved to a greater or lesser degree, all the TW games from Shogun 1 to Shogun 2
But SHogun 2 was borderline broken on release, had turbojewish DLC plastered all over it, and I will simply no longer support this cancerous 'release broken game with on-launch DLC, release more DLC, maybe fix the game a year later' shit.

>although Attila is better in more or less every way.
Cool. Unfortunately, Attila is set in the one period of European history I simply do not give a single fuck about.
You could just cut everything from the history books after the fall of the Roman Republic and Charlemagne and replace it with 'egoistic fucks ruining everything for everyone and being gigantic fucking faggots', and it wouldn't be too wrong.

>Also R2 killed a lot of features that show no sign of ever returning.
This is the other half of why I don't give them money anymore.

Empire and Napoleon and Shogun 2 were so good in so many ways, and were building on each other, there was no reason to dumb it all down and remove features in the hope that some retarded CoD kiddies would stretch their 5 second attnetion span and play TW.

>>153555798
>You could just cut everything from the history books after the fall of the Roman Republic and Charlemagne and replace it with 'egoistic fucks ruining everything for everyone and being gigantic fucking faggots', and it wouldn't be too wrong.
Yeah it is though
I'm still pretty fucking assblasted about, if nothing else, the destroyed naval system.

>>153555293
That's really neat.

>>153555932
Hint - if you set some of the generic buildings on fire, there's a chance on-fire civilians will run out of the building.

>>153555996
Now I kinda want to commit atrocities.

>>153545379
Isn't that an awful thing to do?

>>153556278
What do you mean?

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swooty swooty we coming for that asteroid monitorooty

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Haven't seen this one before.

Next game I will probably go for resettling+a farming world.

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>>153557291
I can do this all day you overgrown space pebble I'm not even concerned that half my ships are dead and I can't see any actual damage yet

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They are coming for me. Send reinforcements plox.

>>153559306
at least you don't have to worry that much about the scourge right?

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What are soem good mods for Civ V? I'm looking for ones that don't change the base game too much, but deepen it. Specifically:

>AI improvements past "let's give the same dumb AI unfair bonuses"
>Good maps/map generators, specifically ones that feel "real"

For the second, allow me to explain. A lot of maps feel implausible. You'll have shit like desert, grasslands and tundra barely removed from eachother by a handful of tiles rather than a slow change according to climate. Maps almost never have a clearly distinguishable equator.

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Big war.

Green Xenophobes decleared war on Red Xenophiles.

Red Xenophiles were also collectivist, so they Blue Democratic Crusaders joined green in the hopes of freeing the shit out of some ayy lmaos.

Red Xenophiles have their own gommie buddies in Orange(who happen to be xenophobes).

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>early game vanilla United Nations of Earth playthrough
>first alien race encountered are a xenophobic hegemonic imperium
>Oh well, the galaxy is a big place. I'm sure my other neighbors can't be dicks
>Next encounter is also a hegemonic empire, this one advance
>And the next
>...and the next
>Surrounded on all sides by FOUR hegemonic empires that are varying degrees of collectivist, martial and/or xenophobe
>2 are advanced races with twice the number of my colonised planets already
>2 of them have the Decadent species trait

Woo boy.

>>153560052
They're not all bad.

These guys have been friendly, they're still Receptive even though the border friction has become a problem of late.

I think the trust is from an early research agreement they wanted with me.

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>>153560203
>>153560203

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>17 ships incoming
>"no biggie my destroyers fuck theirs up with my stormers and shit"
>they're all cruisers
do what you must dolphins, your colony is already dead

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>>153559847
Second democratic crusader is apparently a vassal of the first.

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>>153557816
Having "Planet modifiers" that don't actually DO anything - just say "hey, look at this food" - seem kinda pointless to me.

Pic unrelated, I just loev2slave

>>153561876
I love those parrots-in-a-jar.
They were the first Fallen Empire I ever saw.

>>153563087
>from neighbours
Are they charismatic or is he a xenophile?

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>>153563412
Charismatic.
My doods were collectivist / militarist / xenophobe that game. I had so many slave revolts

Which are the easy mode ethics for a smooth ride in Stellaris, and which are the hard mode ones?

From my experience in the two games I've played so far and watching the reactions of the AI towards mine and other empires based on ethics, it would be Xenophile Spiritualist Collectivist for easy mode (everyone who would not hate you by default likes you because xenophile, collectivist is OP and lets you enslave and kill anyone you want with no consequence, and spiritualist reduces ethics drift so that your population won't get mad by changing ethics), and Fanatic Pacifists Individualists for hard mode (everyone wants to rape your weak ass, you can't enslave or purge anyone even if they become a nuisance, you can't do well in this game without wars so pacifism is a dogshit ethic in the first place).

Am I wrong?

>>153565945
Literally all of them
This game is easier than EU4 as the Ottomans with Lucky Nations and Easy difficulty

>>153566041
Lucky nations affect the player in eu4?`

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How do I fucking play Thea?
I keep getting raped by the quest swarms.
Also, do you get more than 1 village?

>>153566472
Yes, they're modifiers to certain nations for railroading purposes, and I'm not the one saying this - the game itself admits it.

>>153566552
I wish majalis didn't go quite so hardcore with their fetishes

>>153565945
Fanatic Pacifist is great.

Pacifism doesn't even get a opposite ethics relationship penalty like, as far as I know, all the other ethics do.

They need to specifically be the Honorbound Warriors personality to hate pacifists. Democratic Crusaders who are militarist love me because I am a democracy.

No one wants to war me because my fleet is big.
Nothing stops me from building a big fleet just because I picked pacifist.

Wouldn't say it's easy mode for everyone though, because the 15% happiness penalty during war can fuck some people up.
I have a buffer because of subconsciouss democracy and communal though.

>>153566606
I looked it up.
>The player’s nation will never receive the lucky status.

Just like in eu3 then.

>>153566937
That's impossible because I've personally received that bonus in early versions with the extra generals and shit. Did they patch it out later? I haven't had it on forever.
Or maybe that's only for 'random lucky nations'?

>>153550710
I don't remember the textures looking that ugly

>>153551976
What game?

>>153567958
EVE Online.

>>153567958
Freelancer.

>>153567835
It's modded a bit, I don't know if the ships look different or what, I can't really tell because I haven't played it in years, but it's not exactly the prettiest game in the first place. Some of the textures also seem to be way more fucking ugly than others

Master of Orion reboot any good lads?

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>>153559450
>survive 3 waves of 60k
>be proud
>get swarmed by 2x 50k and a 90k
>fml

>>153570017
It's not great, quite shallow

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>the fish people have shield technology, command cruisers, x-ray point defense and beamers, and fusion blasters
>I have stormers and plasma cannons and UV beamers

>>153570290
Shame, it looks polished as hell.

>>153570290
How's the species creation?
Looked neat from the brief look I gave it.
More like designing a species rather than picking a few modifiers like in stellaris.

>>153570504
Haven't tried it

>>153570384
If having good graphisms was enough...

>>153566649
Majalis is the artist?
>Hardcore with the fetishes?
Eh?

Post good clips from scifi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbvqxZmTGLc

>>153571040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZc6cr6G2E4

How's Spellforce as a RTS? I remember someone talking about it earlier.

>>153572831
Moba with basebuilding

>>153573374
The fuck is a moba?

>>153573550
Games for adha homos

>>153544805
best mods and most fun civs to play on tsl?

>>153573657
The fuck is a adha?

>can build battleships now
>one every like 13 months.

Time to uplift proles and add Strong+Industrious to them.

>>153574160
more minerals don't really make building times any faster.

>>153570048
>two hundred years in
>military is small as shit
>factions up the ass
>getting buttfucked by the scourge

Anon are you even trying

>>153574345
The reason I can build one every 13 months is because that is the time it takes for my minerals to accumulate to the battleship cost.

>>153574470
Honestly, I'm new to the genre and I was raping every other settlement. The factions I don't really worry about since I've got a defensive army that crushes all uprising. They're a temporary annoyance at best.

But yea, should have gotten my army up to the limit. Lesson learned.

>>153575329
You can still make it, the scourge is slow as shit.

>be materialist xenofag
>Made a Nice blob empire
>Have good relations with some empires
>Form federation because some faggots on the other side threaten us.
> My allies declare war left and right, i accept and help them.
>Its a no go when i try to declare it myself.
> Have enought of this bullshit and Leave federation, win a war, relations are almost back to normal
>The federation add 2 more empires, one of which is -120 with me
>suddenly that shit empire declere war with me even thou i have +150 relationship meter with every other member.
>Now at war with 4 empires without any reason.
Diplomacy is sure as fuck bugged in this one dont it?

>>153575406
I might give it another try, but I'd like to restart and do everything more efficiently now I've learned a lot.

I'm a total noob when it comes to these games.

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>mfw these fishy fucks have anti-matter engines and I'm only just researching fusion
what can mere bugs do against such foes

>>153574160
>he fell for the uplift meme
enjoy polluting your empire

>>153575406
Also, I don't vassalise or make friends. It's just me against the galaxy. :p

>>153575703
enjoy not being able to adapt
extinct

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>>153575658
they're great

>>153575485
My favorite feature is threat.
>Be friends with a pacifist empire since practically the start of the game.
>Have a mutual evangelizing zealots rival with him for over two decades.
>He insults me every once in a while and at one point he goes to war and takes two planets from my friend.
>I say this is it, I'm going to fuck you up.
>Win the years long war and give my friend his two planets back, then take three more for myself to neuter the zealots forever.
>Suddenly he hates me.

>>153575836
No, no, no. You don't understand. I don't go extinct. I make the rest of the galaxy go extinct.

Everything went fine until the scourge showed up. Now I know what I'm in for I'll be ready to crush them too.

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>>153576178

>>153576178
So you were the scourge all along.

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>>153576009
>he's thinks he's mining

Something not mentioned about Sword of the Stars is it had a sequel with tons of wonderful ideas but unfortunately was garbage overall. I recall mechanics like planets/systems/swathes of your empire, if pissed off enough at how you run things, would/could split off and basically become another player that was a rebellion.

>>153576596
We don't talk about the sequel.

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>>153576009
>he thinks he's producing energy

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>>153576589

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>>153576913

>>153577046
wew lad, looking much better

>>153576596
I really wish it had turned out okay, but it didn't

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>"only need to fight your way through hordes of Trolls to get it"
>"only (...) fight (...) hordes of Trolls"
>"only"

>>153577226
impressive, very nice

>>153577510
trolls are like the shittest creatures in that game arent they

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Feels like I'm playing civ5.

I had a frontier outpost in Oreb/Codria.
Before he settled Itraben and built his frontier outpost in Jardlaphon.

I settled Waltom, before he settled Itraben and built his frontier outpost in Jardlaphon.

>>153577681
>5 skull challenge
>no alternative solution besides Tactics
>shit-tier loot despite the in-game info

As I'm not at the end-game (yet), I can't tell for sure (Giants and Dragons must be worse) but they hit like a truck and have a lot of HP.

Simply not worth the hassle and the risk of your people dying.

>>153578424
Looks like that mollusk needs to be taught some manners.

>>153578424
"it stays" and get ready for a war if he doesn't relent.

>>153578639
He's inferior to me, so I think a war wouldn't be so terrible unless he gets too many allies on his side.

I've reached Tachyon Lances and Battleships, but I've only got lances on cruisers so far.

Fanatic Pacifist, so I'd prefer to avoid war. Got some other happiness bonuses(gov, communal, paradise domes) so won't go into negative at least.

>>153579019
So get a defensive fleet in place, and if they back off, so be it. If not, your wargoal is the abandonment of Itraben and you also want to raze the frontier outpost. Do those things fast, and resolve the war quickly.

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At what point should I start wars with people? I've built 2 fleets of 5K each and I got a shitload of fortress/defense platforms protecting my colonies. So far I've just sat around out-researching everyone and claiming all the resources.

>>153580756
Depends upon what you are up against.

I usually pick on weaker shits and try to break up federations before they start to form up.

>>153570292
>plasma cannons after UV beamers
Why do you spread around so much?
Hivers are simple. Just get AP drivers and you're good to go. All 3 slot types covered. You can branch out later when you get cruisers and fusion.

>>153578506
You can cheese almost every encounter with tactics and poison if you get a good crafter team. It's much easier to defeat everything that way than normal combat with warriors.

>>153580756
>At what point should I start wars with people?

>rp as an authoritarian warmonger
>start your first war as soon as borders hit
>win battles
>gain territory
>purge all other species
>???
>profit

>>153582334
Are bows good? I tend to have a lot of archers in every game I have.

>>153583401
Not really. You just need a ton of damage to end the combat as quickly as possible since it's very lethal. I gave up on warriors after getting wiped a few times by some bullshit encounters. Crafters are much stronger and easier.

>>153583678
I don't really see how, but I have too many crafters and not enough harvesters anyway.

>>153581268
There's this one race that's colonizing every planet he can, so I'm debating if he's worth smashing since he's pissed off everyone else.

>>153584036
Just send out a group of crafters and see what they can do.

>>153584751
Look, I know the Craftman's hammer is one of the best weapons in Dark Souls, but this is Thea, not Dark Souls.

>>153582334
I do not intend to cheese anything and in my experiences, having a few well-equipped warriors (remember, if alternate challenges fall you'll fight anyway) is always the safest option. And Tactics tend to be one of the hardest of all challenges.

>>153584036
>>153585115
I think he meant that Crafters could be powerful in Fight-like challenges (their Armor / Dex / Speech / Stealth / Will could reach high levels by default, but they rarely worse than medium) while also offering other advantages.

So the trade-off between the extra raw power (Warriors) and increased versatility (Craftsman) is worth to use them. Imho that's not true, though their extra muscle indeed useful at early game and they're suitable body guards for Gatherers.

>>153586581
Tactics are only hard for you because you have a team of warriors who don't have the best stats for tactics. Team of crafters can handle tactics challenges much easier.

I like Seven Kingdoms 2. And Supreme Commander.

>>153587020
Again: Tactics tend to be one of the hardest of all challenges. Not for me but in general. Read other user's experiences if you don't believe me. And I don't have a "team full of warriors": they never occupy more than half of my group. Which is still plenty, but proportional.

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Ok guys, I'm ready. I'm going to take on the scourge with everything I got.
I've set up a chokepoint with a lot of wizard towers.
Will post results when all is said and done.

Wish me luck!

Anyone had a bug in Stellaris where there's no UI on the title screen? No buttons, just the background picture. ctrl-f9 does nothing.

>>153588865
Good luck, keep posting.

>>153548360
fuck 'em up egypt

>>153547996
>>153548152
Sword of the Stars and The Pit are the only worthwhile games of the franchise.

Avoid Sword of the Stars 2.

>>153588865
>>153589672

OK, I think it's over.
60k
77k
70k
98k

All I lost was
15 destroyers
1 cruiser
2 wizard towers

I call that a success.

Now getting my resources back in order and conquer the rest of the galaxy.

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>>153590885
>pic related

>>153591048
Shit, it wasn't over. Just saw a 133k pass by. Gonna try and lure him in.

Cool, primtiive civs can have more than 3 ethics point it seems

>>153590447
Egyptian are OP.

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>>153591197
Got a 144k in my trap. Let's see how this turns out.

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>>153591992
I was looking through all the empires because I realized I didn't remember any other pacifists of the game.
Saw some primitives pacifists.

Saw one tiny vassal pacifist, and another tiny pacifist that was at war with the overlord of the other pacifist.
Found one decently sized empire that was pacifist.
Loads of militarists in the galaxy though.

While doing that I found these primitives.
Kinda wanna enlighten them just to have a 5 ethics empire in the game.

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Aaaaaand it's gone.

>>153593358
>Wanting to enlighten fanatical evangelizing zealot purifiers.
You are literally Satan.
Get down there and purge them.

>>153593358
There's no time to educate, purge every motherfucker that is in your way!

>>153593839
Could be fun for a playthrough.

Go around and enlighten the most violent primitives there are, then let them lose, give them research agreements to get them started.

If you do active research and they go xenophobe, does that change their government or just the pops?

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Did they REMOVE the ability for your units to heal in miasma when taking the harmony affinity?

>>153545391
civ 4, but in the future, in space, on another planet.

No, I never played SMAC and I don't think I can get into it because of the graphics, and so few leaders.

>>153549396
>>153549707
I don't know if this was a glitch or not but I settled a planet with titanic life and started to research them, they got pissed off and attacked the colony easily destroyed the few defense armies I had there but after a while they became defensive armies for the colony, is that a glitch? I was still using the very first day one version of the game at that time.

Any tips for moving up to Thinker difficulty in SMAC?

>>153589046
Not yet.

So I tried Spellforce.

It's meh. The units are slow, the maps are big and empty, and the units keeps clipping through another another. And they're extremely retarded : they don't move unless they're directly attacked.

And cutscenes are fucked so badly, dammit.
>cross dark caradras of whatever-fuck mountain
>find a town
>leaves my army out of town, go inside with just my hero
>cutscene starts
>"OH NOES THE ORCS ARE ATTACKING"
>rest of the cutscene can't be heard due to loud sound effects and music
>UNSKIPPABLE cutscene ends
>orcs are already dead because they spawned near the army I left outside of town

A list of all planets would be nice.

That you can list by inhabitants, type.

Has anyone noticed the '.sav file to .zip, open it in Windows Explorer and rename it back to .sav' method of Stellaris save editing isn't working anymore? For some reason the files are set to read only and for the life of me I cannot figure out how to change that, so I can't make any changes.

>>153598269
Rename to zip
Unpack
Edit
Save
Repack
Rename to sav

You're done.

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>>153593621
Finally took the fight to them and pushed them back. Next push is finito for the scourge.

For comparison: >>153559306

>>153548360
>Isis goddess
>manual says she raises the population by 15
>game says she raises the population by 20
>she raises the population by 10
I wish they fixed the manual before publishing the game.

Also, Amaterasu is the worst god.

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To the south;
>I have two warring neighbors who fight constantly, the one on the right is 'domineering' towards the other one
>The bottom nation is not interested in me or any of them, but is very weak and might be swayed
>The Screk State over there is a hateful rival of mine that likes to start shit and borders me.
>Meanwhile...

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Cool they share my exact ethics.

Shame they're right on the border of isolationist fallen empire, who's border I am already pushing.

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>>153600816
>To the North are two nations who I am in nonaggression pacts with to get them to trust me because of border friction
>The flower hippy nation I am in a nonaggression pact with is an overlord to two developing civilizations who I could liberate to weaken them or push back their borders.
>Top left nation doesn't like me but doesn't like war either

How should I unravel this political puzzle? I am Fanatic Militarist Individualists by the way.

>>153601070
>>153600816
Dismantle the Shreck State for starters. Pick your choice of annexation or vassalization.

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>>153600128
>Also, Amaterasu is the worst god.
Do NOT bully the Sun Goddess

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>>153601580
Sorry, but it's true. She may be even worse than Mithra in that game.
Amaterasu kills spies, but Mithra just shows what the buildings are working on.

>>153601580
NEET Goddess gtfo back to your cave.

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>>153601790
>>153601849
>bullying
pls stop ;_;

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>>153601932
I want to play with Amaterasu's paw pads.

>>153602054
No fuck this stupid shit
Every time I talk about my goddess-waifu someone shows me a literal fucking dog

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>>153602116
Because dogs are cute.

>>153601790
>but Mithra just shows what the buildings are working on.
Basically what Phoenix(Greater Being of Greece) did in the first game

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>>153602242
NO THEY'RE NOT FUCK OFF REEEE STOP SULLYING MY GODDESS-WAIFU

>>153601419

What's wrong with Tributary? Or just taking a few systems/planets?

>>153602116
>>153602381
>not having a goddess-dog-waifu

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>>153602381
>not liking dogs
I BET YOU LOVE CATS
YOU FURRY FUCK

>>153602346
I don't see any use to it. Spies can do it better for just gold and do other stuff.

>>153602434
>dog waifu
Unacceptable
The only time dogs can be romantic interests is when they're male and the other side is a human woman.
Im a gril btw

>>153602397
>What's wrong with Tributary?
They are inferior to a vassal, there's no real point to them.
>Or just taking a few systems/planets?
Delaying the inevitable.

>>153602584
>The only time dogs can be romantic interests is when they're male and the other side is a human woman.
you're literally the worst

>>153545391
An RTS with 4x mechanics

>>153602558
>Liking cats means you're furry
But anon while there are a lot of people who fuck dogs there is barely anyone that fucks cats. Dogs are the zoofucker choice.

>>153602558
A dog bends his knee to you like some slave.
A cat remains dignified.
t. hamster / guinea pig / rabbitfag

>>153602695
According to you shagging a dog somehow okay though?

>>153602801
Yes, of course.

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>>153602914

/civ4xg/ - Beastiality

>>153603038
Is there an issue?

>>153603795
the wrong kind too.

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>>153603928
True.

>>153604054
Why hello there my Yv'tak friend. Do you wish to offer another trade agreement or are you just visiting?

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>>153604445
We are interested in your automatic petting technology.

>>153603795
Cat penis > dog penis

>>153604703
holy fucking shit

>>153604718
Dude cat penis literally stabs into the female vagina so she can't escape. It's a spiked penis. Dog penis at least doesn't stab you.

>>153604878
It's dog dick that makes it so that she can't escape, actually.

>>153604878
Cat penis barbs are the same as cat tongue barbs
They aren't rough enough to damage anything

>>153605007
It just inflates to prevent the female from forcibly pull it out, it must feel nice.

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I like that discussion.

>>153605140
Apparently it hurts like fuck if you're not prepared for it
Source: cripplechan's /zoo/board.

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How would you improve Civilization? I've always felt the city building aspects were really weak, even though it's so core to the game. I'm really excited for Civ 6 for that reason, but I want to here others' opinions.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685470054&searchtext=planets

Cool, makes humans centered on Sol as a possible fallen empire

>>153608182
It cannot be fixed. Cities developement will always be flawed because of how the building system is done.

>>153608862
What's wrong with it?

>>153608182
Get rid of the thing that says what year it is.and fix most of the games weird scale issues.

In all seriousness though, I'd make something to really support Nomad style games.

>>153602706
Star Ruler 2.

>>153609006
The different available buildings piles up, meaning that capturing an undevelopped city or building a new one late in the game will mean sinking a lot of ressources into it.

>>153602706
Seven Kingdoms 2.

>>153609747
>The different available buildings piles up, meaning that capturing an undevelopped city or building a new one late in the game will mean sinking a lot of ressources into it.
You don't need to build everything.

>>153608182
>How would you improve Civilization?
make every game feel a bit different. like how different cultures around the world evolved in different ways. I dont really know how to describe it. but a civilization in civ will develop exactly the same every game, regardless of if it has things like iron or copper or uranium or aluminium at its disposal.

>>153608796
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=726271263

Is Stellaris worth a look? It's on sale this weekend

>>153611104
It's worth a pirate.

>>153611238
I'm not a nigger

>>153611340
You've just proven that you are

>>153608182
Every iteration makes it happier and shinier.
So make it darker.
Add plagues, religious wars, famine, civil war, deadly animals. Immense challenges no matter the era.
Make carving a civilization out of the world, one that will stand the tests of time, a trial in and of itself.
One where civs will go to war with each other because they have to to live.
Where alliances are not just another convenient bonus but something needed to survive.
Where a reliable friendship is worth more then gold.
Even technological innovation would bring upheaval, like fear, pollution, or economic instability as people adapt.

Rather then planning out what wonder you want to have built in what turn, you should just be happy everything hasn't collapsed yet, and a game that's gone on for a while should look a bit chaotic, with a little ruin here and there, with the scars of history all over.

A civ game now has very little storytelling potential. Stuff happens and you know why it happens. This means your first game might be memorable, but the ones after that certainly won't be.
A good game of civ should be one where you have half a dozen stories to tell at the end of it; stories of great risk, of loss and destruction, of war and death, of glory and victory.


tl:dr :make it more challenging, have better story generation.

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>>153612032
And you think that'll fly with the audience they target?

>Your reputation score is something to be carefully guarded. A Human player with a high reputation will have several advantages over a player who is looked upon with scorn by the world and by his own people.
>His people will be more loyal and he will attract the attention of powerful heroes. Your reputation will steadily increase ov er the years if you do nothing to damage it, but it can be given a great boost by engaging in battle with Fryhtans.
>Reputation will be damaged when you kill civilians and when you break treaties, especially when you break a treaty with a Kingdom that has a high reputation. If you are playing as a Fryhtan, please ignore all of the above. You have no reputation and you never will!
That's a very neat mechanisms that reward diplomacy and not murdering rebels to convince them to submit, but it's wrong. The Frythans have a reputation, it's just hidden.

>>153611104
its crap

>>153611104
Still unfinished.
Either you buy it and mod the shit out of it and get worried each time there's a new patch, or you wait for Jewdox to start making DLCs.

Do you prefer turn based or time based?

>>153613752
Turn based games usually have a deeper gameplay and a better AI.

Time based games are funnier and easier to pick, but units and AI are retarded in it.

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Now this is podracing! Fun fact: I have only 7 children (the most I've ever had).

>the two other options:
>send the children to quiet room (lose max 6)
>or don't do the ritual

>>153614292
This is some Space Marines shit here.

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Alright boys, I've got a bit of a curveball on this one.
Unbidden and Scourge are incoming from close sectors of space. Their fleets are usually over 200K firepower, with some of their lead fleets at 315K. Meanwhile I've got a single fleet of 198K, and no allies.
I can't single off any fleets, since they always beam in the others.
I can't snipe the portals because they'll go right back to defend it.
I can't curb their expansion because when I destroy some of their starbases, I need to return to repair.
Also, pretty much every other AI faction has beyond pitiful fleets, around the 10K mark, so they're useless.

Do I let the Scourge and Unbidden fight, or do I just call it quits?

>>153601419
It's all ogre now

>>153615802
>Unbidden
Hah hah hah, sucks to be you-
>AND Scourge
HAH HAH HAH !

>Do I let the Scourge and Unbidden fight, or do I just call it quits?
Grab some popcorn and watch it to the bitter end.

>>153614421
Normally, I wouldn't do the ritual. But my town has 27 population + 7 children, and I already unlocked all (Sage / Witch / Inventor / Scholar) Magic-classes.

Though I could use a Warrior or two, the guaranteed 5 children loss is too much. The Quiet Room would produce minimal losses and turn the rest Workers after it.

Not cool, as I already have two Gatherer teams and one Crafting. Spirit Walk? I have a slight oversupply of Sages / Witches, but only one Inventors and zero Scholars.

So it'll be Option #2 then. Sooner or later, I have to figure out if this Town Event is worth doing anyway.

>>153616219
>Magic-classes
... huh?

>>153615802
What kind of weapons and ships do you have?

Given the stats of your empire, you should be able to make a fleet that stops them cold.

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>>153616316
fukken wizards

>>153616776
They aren't in the demo.

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>>153616920
>demo
step up your game and hoist the blacck flag, m80

>>153617112
No, my backlog is too important right now. Plus the demo is still kicking my ass and after a few scams, I want to make absolutely sure I'll enjoy it before going through the bother of pirating it.

Darkest Dungeons' demo looked cool too.

>>153616506
I've got a mod that adds extra ships, so right now I've mainly going for Carriers, Battleships, Cruiser equivalents that have larger health, armour and shield pools. I like to have a medium of Tachyon Lances, and the fuckhueg arty pieces, forget what their called. Healthy doses of bombers and torpedos too.
I manage to find a Scourge fleet at a galaxy raping 400K. Two fleets, a 200K and 315K invaded two of my systems and are just relaxing.

I made a quick thunder run through their territories to destroy some of the starbases/builders, but they go up again after I leave the system, and they send some fleets after my ass.

Honestly, I think this playthrough is over.

>>153616920
>demo
>thinks he can comment on the game

>>153617667
>pirate
>he think he can comment
>at all

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>>153617290
>the bother of pirating it.
I do not have words for how dumb that is.

>>153617726
He at least has a copy of the game unlike you.
t. bought it.

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>>153616219
BRUH... WTF? I got a low-tier (!) Craftsman (!!). Since when they qualify as "Magic users or Wise Men"? Seriously, I have 5 of his class and this dude is the weakest. And all that for the maximum (5) amount of lost children. "Stronger than if they matured naturally" my ass.

>>153616316
>>153616920
Hex-classes, if you insist. See my list in my previous post. Keep in mind that you have to research and build a Totem for Witches and Meeting Hall for Sage / Scholar / Inventor. So they might be in the demo after all, but the pre-requirements haven't met yet.

>>153617873
What is the pre-required building to unlock these?

>>153617532
New ship classes and more?

If so drop cruisers, battlecruisers, light carriers and strike cruisers, they wil just die.

Use battleships, carriers and dreadnoughts.

Drop the artillery pieces, they are crap. Lances all the way.
Fighter are super useful against the scourge, bombers will really shine in longer engagements.
Shields are dogshit, they hog energy and the unbidden have weapons with bonus damage against shields. Crystal armor is the better choice.

Use the support modules, one of each except for the warp snare.

Only fight at long range. The scourge can rip you new one in close combat.

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>>153618157
Well for the Meeting Hall, Smithy for the Totem. All cost 1 Research Point each (if I remember correctly, but I do).

>>153618675
That's all? I thought the final game would have a shitload more buildings.

>Upcoming stellaris patch will add depth to fallen empires and rework enigmatic observers and keepers of knowledge.
Thank FUCK. I was getting really fucking ticked when I got a good start on my genocidal galaxy conquerers only to run into a bunch of xenophiles when scouting.

>>153617726
t. shekelberg

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>>153618675
No White Tree or whatever the fuck this is, but there's a totem.

>>153545391

SMAC2 Granular as fuck early game is all micro, lots of exploration, skirmishes, events, barbarians, finding your first 2-3 extra cities should feel huge rushes of power and expansion of your influence. Segues into economy/civics based midgame where you actually decide what kind of empire you want to build, everything is decided organically through techs, deicions and other stuff, no static modifiers from start. If you build lot of barracks, have shit tons of units garrisoned and constantly win fights you eventually go full militaristic. If you build temples eventually some kind of religious drift happens as your pops start asking decisions based on their religious morals, like banning sten cell research. As space runs out on the map alliances form around ideological lines, have to carefully juggle all postives and negatives. Diplomacy is very nuanced, you can trade pretty much anything from settling rights to free migration to econimical aid, guarantees, NAPs, non-interference policies, secret treaties, proclamationss, pretty much anything like in grand strategy games and the AI isnt like civ5. There are several AI opinion modifiers, based on trust, ideology, decisions and general behavior, like not having units on a common border or sharing a culture. There are also several tiers of integration based on relations and relative power. There is no need for contrived shit like city-states, the civs falling behind in the rat race will fill their role and have diplomatic tools to employ, like trying to become a neutral tax haven like Swizerland until the time is right for a comeback. The gamut runs between force-vassalized states, voluntary client states, or closely allied states eventually forming economic and political federations, maybe actual unions and superstates for the lategame as an endboss instead of picking up individual states at your leisure. Being a warmonger would actually encourage this.

>Conquer half of the galaxy
>fleet power is over 150,000 and at the ship cap
>steady 30ish fps in the galaxy map
>click army
>fps drops to 5
>forcing vassalization to keep from having to move fleet

It's a shame that Divine Mandate is so strong, basically was never at risk.

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>>153545391
A civ game where you mix small units in a bigger one to create a single stack, like a mix between Age of Wonders' system with small armies led by a hero and Civ5's system with one unit per tile. Also, you can't change the units once you're in the field, so either you make versatile units, or you try to specialize them to build camps in enemy territory or have a cavalry acting as support to an infantry unit despite not being in range of the enemy.

>>153618784
14 buildings for 10 slots, most don't stack. Where's the problem? Especially that it's almost guaranteed that you're going to re-build them once you have access to more advanced materials.

>>153619068
>>153619549
Judging by the icons the demo is not too up-to-date. Although its worth mentioning that I haven't tried the game before, but I think it's a safe guess that these icons are from an older release.

>>153619839
>half of the galaxy
>still not transcendent empire

>>153620598
Yeah, it's explained on the main screen that the demo is equivalent to the early access game.

I fucking hate the "Ask empire to join war" thing they put in Stellaris.

It completly short-circuits even what little diplomacy the game already had. Why bother playing the long game to build up diplomatic rappot with another nation when you can just bribe them into a war with one days' notice?
How the hell are you supposed to read the diplomatic situation of your neighbours when coalitions can form up literally out of nowhere?
Why would you do anything else than these one-war alliances-of-convenience considering how much formal alliances constrain your freedom of action?

I mean, ossifying the galaxy map into superfederations from 2300 like used to happen in v1.0 was bad, but it was MILES better than this. An enemy federation of like 10 empires at least kept me challenged in raw ship numbers when I was expansionist snowballing in my first game. But in 1.2 it's the opposite: the AI never goes beyond defensive pacts and it only rarely signs them, so you just snipe empires one by one instead of getting into NATO vs. Warsaw Pact superpower conflicts like you used to.

FIX DIPLO YOU SHITS, THIS IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN SHOOTING FALLEN EMPIRES WITH ADRENALIN

>>153619704

Cont. Lategame should also switch the focus from small skirmishes to massive strategic wars going on in several theatres involving hundreds of units. Make a good UI and tools enabling this, like rally points, automerge and the ability to declare parts of the maps "fronts" and assign AI helpers with simple tasks like "defend this area" Of course, the player could always micro if he wanted to, but the focus should be developing on massive strategic thrusts, not microing 15 units attack order to take a level 4 city without losses.

Resources: More and more important resources. Controlling a great industrial valley or an incredibly important strategic resource should be a massive bonus but terrain generation should be tweaked that every city zone is slightly suboptimal in some way, so such a "golden spot" is immediatly attractive and invites conflict. Also, every city placement should be a decision to itself, how exactly you are going to make that city work and for what, always needing space for compromises and always giving space for good micro. Lategame cities should also generate special resources on their own and should be massively important to control them. Getting a "Ruhr Valley" in modern times or a "italian merchant city" in renaissance times should be a thousand times more important than claiming half of the "siberian tundra" and making it just as productive in 50 turns. Cities would also organically change on their own a to a limited degree. New cities founded in attractive, beautiful locations would attract frontier migrants even from other nations while iceball shitholes might even become empty without extra funding. Larger cities(capital and cores most likely) would spontaneously start generating things too on their own depending on government, civics and public sentiment. Rich trading towns may found startup corporations on their own, research towns may experience breakthroughs, prototypes and nobel prizes--

I like Seven Kingdoms 2.
>Combat damage is heavily dependent on the direction of attack, ranging from attacks from the front which deal 100% damage, to rear attacks which deal 200% damage

>>153620886

Cont. Political and religous movements may start enabling new decisions and buildings, cultural development may happen, making your culture adapt new symbols and ways to influence neighbors(like McDonalds) This small element of randomness would keep the game from becoming stale and constantl provide interesting opportunities and side avenues to expand your influence instead of plopping down another city or building another tank.You'd have a way to encourage and focus on any of these on purpose, but what if a militaristic third reich suddenly pops out a great prophet-alike or something, how do you use it? Use it as a prophet of peace to mask your real intentions until your doom army is ready to crush everything? Use it to find a new Thule religion and start focusing on spreading it hoping for some neophyte zeal? Or actually be an absolute madman and use its message of peace to disarm and retool yourself into a industry-flavored nation without suffering penalties from such an abrupt change?

>implying any of my autism will happen outside of Cavemen to Cosmos

I love that mod so much, especially new nations emerging from barbs. a 10.000 times better mechanic than city states.

>>153621476
>I love that mod so much, especially new nations emerging from barbs. a 10.000 times better mechanic than city states.
That always bothered me in Civilizations.

>>153621795
>That always bothered me in Civilizations.
Nations from barbs? It makes sense imo, 'barbarians' are just tribes that haven't managed to get their shit together by game start.

>>153619704
>>153620886
>>153621476
I can tell you love C2C since most of this stuff is in it already.

>>153622928
No, it always pissed me how everyone started at the same time.
In our history, civilization raised and fell. Right now, the USA are dominating the earth despite not existing 500 years ago.

>>153623337
Well yeah, it's always kind of weird to see shit like the Mongols sacking Rome. The Mongols weren't even a coherent entity at the time from what we can tell.