/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

I want to suck off a gamedev while he's gamedevving. Who's up for it?

Posting one more time because I'm a huge faggot who can't make decisions on his own, and I shouldn't post this at the end of a thread. Feel free to ignore me being a massive faggot.

Witch's Brew Dev here asking some questions. Witch's brew is a resource management rogue like game where you play as a witch who lives at the edge of a town. You help towns folk and try to not get a mob to come kill you.

I'm here to ask a few questions. I would greatly appreciate answers:

Should events be entirely random, partially scripted/partially randoms, or entirely scripted?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11116589

Should I add a raw health stat for the witch in case of bodily injury?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11116600

Cute witch girl or old crone?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11116872

Continue where last witch died, start over from new village, or have option for either?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11116886

>>153470923
m-me

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>>153470923

when your stack trace blows the stack

janni confirmed seagull fucker

Best source of motivation is to have no friends at all so you end up wanting to impress people around you because you want friends.

How do into lewd game for jam
Is there a tutorial for this?

>>153470992
If I don't like your game, I'll steal this idea and will try to make a game I like.

>>153470705
>GI
Could be done in a day. Implementing GI is pretty trivial, the hard part is on the cutting edge researching it
>light maps
Not necessary, all the lighting can be dynamic
>baking
see above
>over 4 3d targets
trivial
>multiple file formats
assimp exists
>cross platform system IO tools
boost exists
>a 3d editor
nobody serious actually uses the Unity editor anyway, and the Unreal editor doesn't really have any outstanding features
>a 3d audio engine
OpenAL does this for you
>instancing tools, batching tools
These are implicit with a good architecture

I'm fairly confident I could build all the features of Unreal/Unity that an RTS would actually use in about two weeks, but with a more domain specific backend. Enginedev really isn't as hard as people like to make out, the hard part is engine design and research which is already done for you by various other parties.

>>153471312
where do you live? Hopefully you're in my state anon.

>>153471607
>tfw this applies to you
>tfw someone says something bad about your game and you get depressed for a week

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>>153471636
make a game and then add lewd

>>153471418
when the recursive function used to calculate your mother's mass causes a stack overflow, crashing to BSOD

>>153471659
>>instancing tools, batching tools
What did he even mean by "tools" for those things?
People just love to spout random buzzwords.

PHYSICALLY

BASED

>>153471656
What?

>>153470923
Rotate?

>>153470923
gogem.

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>>153471606
Brogulls should be AGDGs new mascot

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>Added Zangief spin for boss
>Added Triad mobs with machine guns

Now I only need to redo the way damage is calculated across the game, add more mechanics, improve AI so that I can have more adds without them trying to run to the same place, add some sounds, re-add knockback + particle on-hit effects, balance player health, movement and enemy abilities, re-block the environment and package the game without errors...
>all by demo day
I am sweatin

>in order to make a single game yourself you must first build all the tools for mass production of games that are nothing like yours
Why are anti-enginedevs so stupid?

I want to make a top down RPG with platforming elements akin to Mario & Luigi. Right now I'm trying to set up wall and floor tiles in Game Maker such that the height of the walls add together when vertically adjacent and the floor tile directly above the highest wall tile will determine the floor height for that column of floor tiles. The eventual goal would be to let the player pass through floor tiles if their z level was higher than that of the floor's, but I still don't know how to set up the player / wall interaction.

Is there a way to do a single instance collision check so that I don't end up adding wall height every frame and ultimately make the walls impossible to pass?

>>153471659
>I'm fairly confident I could build all the features of Unreal/Unity that an RTS would actually use in about two weeks,

And yet you still don't have a game. I have actually worked on an engine and worked with developers that used it to release games. The delusion of retards like you amazes me.

Of course, rendering in 4 different graphics pipelines is super easy and only takes 2 weeks to be feature complete :^)

Thankfully anybody with any knowledge on the subject knows you are a complete and total retard.

Of course, you are still welcome to show all this proof. It's so easy that I'm sure you've done it multiple times.

>>153472119
>make a twin stick shooter
>make the mouse control both sticks at once
What did he mean by this?

>>153471763
Instancing is not implicit you fucking retard.

>>153472381
>you need a "tool" for instancing

>>153471659
Also the deflection for certain things is impressive.

>Why would I make that when I can just use a third party library!

Your "engine" in the end is just going to be a bunch of hacked together dependencies of varying quality and zero support.

>Boost exist
>BOOST
>USING FUCKING BOOST

Holy shit.

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>its another agdg argument about engines

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>>153470854

>>153472489
>Shaders are not tools

>>153472374
It's not a twin stick shooter, it's mouse click to move, and skills/abilities also turn you. I haven't played with the turn rate or alternate control schemes like twin-stick yet, but I will be.

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>>153472510
>Your "engine" in the end is just going to be a bunch of hacked together dependencies of varying quality and zero support.
>you must write your engine from scratch in assembly or it doesn't count
Other than boost there is literally nothing wrong with using libraries.

>>153472637
Shaders are code.

>>153471702
But what is the best way of adding lewd? And what makes a game a good game for adding lewd to?

>>153472676
Yes. You are right.

And it's almost like you can get well made, well put together libraries that aid you in the creation of video games that also come with visual editors. Could package them all up and distribute them.

Oh well though, that is probably just a pipe dream :^)

have you noticed that everything always takes 2-4 times longer than you think it will

>>153472846
>visual editors

>>153472846
>And it's almost like you can get well made, well put together libraries
Hope you don't suggest unity.

>>153471659
>>153472245

=

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>>153472749
Everything on your computer is code.

>>153472637
>shaders are tools

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>>153472586
>>153472669

is this the final straw?

>>153472964
No, they were written with code. I guess, to be technical, shaders are programs that run on your graphics hardware. But they're not tools. You just write them like any other procedure and they do their job.

>>153472272
>Of course, rendering in 4 different graphics pipelines is super easy and only takes 2 weeks to be feature complete :^)
Why do you need four different rendering paths for an RTS? Targeting OpenGL 4.1 exclusively gives you access to the market for your game with all the features you need. "Feature complete" has a different meaning if you only target features that you need.

>Of course, you are still welcome to show all this proof. It's so easy that I'm sure you've done it multiple times.
Granted, I've never produced a full game, but I did implement a full renderer for my masters thesis. It took about a week for everything except for the part I was researching.

>Your "engine" in the end is just going to be a bunch of hacked together dependencies of varying quality and zero support.
What do you think an engine is?

>>153472870
Except the compile time because there is always a syntax error

is it ok to rip off someone else's art style? after all yiu can't copyright an art style. i mean stuff like copuing proportion sizes and facial expressions, not the characters themselves.

>>153472637
>Implying you need a special shader for instancing

The shader is ignorant of where the geometry comes from.

>>153473215
>is it ok to rip off someone else's art style?
Yes but people will always think of your game as a chiense knockoff of whatever you're ripping off.

>>153473215
It is OK as long as you don't take youself seriously as an artist

>>153472901
>He makes things like UI and enemy placements in code

Even when I used my own engine the first thing I did was create an editor to do that visually. Are you retarded?

Even before they could do it visually on a computer with an editor at Nintendo they did it visually on paper and then entered in the corresponding ASM.

>>153473125
>a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.
>or implement
>used to carry out a particular function

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Anti-enginedevs are the most insecure posters here. Just because you treat your engine as black magic and get everything you need from an asset store it doesn't mean it's impossible for someone else to make one for their game.

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>>153473325
shit. why do i ask questions i already knew the answer to. i guess i was hoping for an answer i wanted to hear.

>>153473540
Invent a new style by mixing the style of multiple artists, not just a single one.

>>153472846
>he doesn't see the domain difference between an asset import library and an engine

An engine forces you to use their general purpose, often ugly abstraction when actually developing games. Cobbling together lower level libraries allows you to create your own more elegant model of the same underlying systems.

>all of you acting like you'll ever amount to anything

how cute

>>153473149
>What do you think an engine is?
What do YOU think an engine is? Your entire argument here is that you don't need one, then you just made everything harder for no reason by using a bunch of dependencies instead of writing things from scratch meaning you are using your own pseudo engine anyway.

>Granted, I've never produced a full game,
>I've never actually made production code, and I've never actually released anything or even developed anything that had to test my code or meet any requirements, but in school once I wrote something

Gold star for you.

>Targeting OpenGL 4.1 exclusively gives you access to the market for your game with all the features you need.

Shit AMD performance, and not as good Nvidia performance when compared to DirectX, unless you use Vulkan, in which case older graphics cards simply will not work.

To anybody reading this reply chain who actually wants to make a video game, I have released my own game in a prebuilt engine, and before that I worked as an engine developer. If your game requires any significant complexity there is no point in making your own engine unless you are working with at least 3 or 4 other people. Of course you can be like the college kid who "totally wrote a renderer" once.

You can very easily write a renderer. You can write a CPU renderer, or even a GPU renderer in the next 3 hours in fact. But anybody who works on renderers would laugh at you for thinking suddenly you are "done" because you have triangles on the screen.

>>153473707
>An engine forces you to use their general purpose, often ugly abstraction when actually developing games.
You should add on that they're designed that way to accommodate all the various types of games that you "should" be able to use the engine for.
It's a tradeoff of using general purpose engines to save time vs making a game specific engine.

Engine fanboys are the worst though.

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>>153473707
I'm retarded and literally restated your point.
Sorry.

>>153473707
Anything created to do a significantly complex enough task is going to be accomplished in a way that forces you into some kind of paradigm, and the only way to get that paradigm totally in sync with what you personally want is to write everything yourself.

If this interest you, do it. There are even series like Handmade Hero that go into these tiny details, and everybody who does this should have knowledge of how the things they use work.

But if you want to make a video game stop getting triggered by UObjects and MonoBehaviors and make a video game.

>>153473764
Oy I have already amounted to many things

Anubisdev

>talks shit about other furries when he is a filthy furry himself
>got legitimately scared and angry when people were paying attention to that tiger guy
>says he doesn't post because of all the furries
>his game is a corruption of champions rip off where the furry avatars fuck
>stole assets from Zelda games but acts superior to the other furfag devs

Is he like the self hating Jews or something?

>>153473897
The low level functions of an engine should be able to work for any style of game or your programmed them terribly, and higher level shit like NavMesh can be ignored when working with larger engines.

If you have a good argument for making your own tech, then follow that argument. Even if it's like Jonathan Blows argument where he wants total control over his code and not have to depend on anybody, then go ahead.

Also remember it took him fucking years to make his game, a team of multiple people, he had millions of dollars, he got insanely lucky with Briad and a bunch of other stuff.

>>153473508

Engine deving and game deving require two different separate skill sets, and not wholly transferable. Just because you're learning the intricacies of OpenGL does not make you a great game dev.

Making games helps you develop game dev skills. Thinking about mechanics, thinking about level design, thinking about animation, thinking about gameplay, these are the things that make you a better gamedev.

Enginedevs are a plague that trots around disguised as "gamedev" that needs to be wiped off.

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i might not look like much but it makes me happy to see it working properly

>>153474391
but what if someone...........does both............woah........

>>153474391
>you can't make an engine and use it for a game
Don't you have a new unity asset to pirate?

>Haven't worked on game in 2 weeks
>Too turned off by how incompetent I am
>Not gonna make it

>>153474270
In Blow's case there were no good engines when he started the witness. I still think he's wasting his time making his meme language.

Anyone have any good tutorials for a character creator with model deformation?

Preferably UE4 or Unity.

>>153474469
SLICC

>>153474484

>implying enginedevs ever get shit done

>>153473508
You've probably never actually worked in the game industry but you would be surprised to know in the west that most people who work on engines don't do anything related to game design. Game designers do that. Engine devs are responsible for implementing engine features. Good game designers are programmers, but they are gameplay programmers. Gameplay code is not elegant because it's not systems. Engine programmers are far better programmers usually and make much "better" code, by virtue of the things they are programming.

If that stuff really interest you, it's a viable job and you can go do it, but stop trying to get people into the mindset that they need to know this stuff to make video games, even on a professional level. It's counter productive if you want to do game design to learn how to make OpenGL renders unless you are going to be a one man army who makes his own engine and tools and game.

If so good luck. Not impossible, takes a lot of passion, and you should probably stop shit posting here and get back to work because you have 3 times the workload.

>>153474250
>got legitimately scared and angry when people were paying attention to that tiger guy
>Is he like the self hating Jews or something?
I don't like generalizations too much, but I believe most furfags have an attention whore in them, you have to when you make public your unusual fetishes in the way they do. At some point attention whores start crossing the masochism line, because in order to get attention, they are willing to humilliate themselves for that attention (just look at rotate) and maybe because deep inside they believe they are degenerates, everyone arounds them says it after all.

>>153474653
To Blow, there still are no good engines. He hates Unity and Unreal, doesn't like Cryengine, etc.

That's fine. He had the money to make his own tech and they spent a long time developing tech before they even started on the game.

As for his language, that's actually probably the best thing he's doing tech wise. It's actually fairly well designed, and because of the way it compiles it will already work everywhere C works (which is everywhere.)

If you agree with the design of the language there is actually no reason not to use it for your game projects because it has total interlopability with C.

His language is actually so goo

>>153473834
>Your entire argument here is that you don't need one, then you just made everything harder for no reason by using a bunch of dependencies instead of writing things from scratch meaning you are using your own pseudo engine anyway.
My argument is that the valuable part of the product that Unreal and Unity provide is the abstraction. If that would make your game harder to develop or result in a less robust finished product, you'd be better off developing your own. Your original point is that if someone wants to make an RTS in Unreal they should just build another abstraction layer on top of the engine that already exists. If you're going to do that anyway, why not just link it directly to the core systems that Unreal already models?

>Shit AMD performance, and not as good Nvidia performance when compared to DirectX, unless you use Vulkan, in which case older graphics cards simply will not work.
Again, does this matter for an RTS? Strategy games in general tend to be CPU bound. Vulkan would give you a huge advantage in this regard, but with a good architecture that's something you can just implement as an afterthought if you find that your performance is lacking.

>You can very easily write a renderer. You can write a CPU renderer, or even a GPU renderer in the next 3 hours in fact. But anybody who works on renderers would laugh at you for thinking suddenly you are "done" because you have triangles on the screen.
This is exactly my point, see above.

What are the recommended options for databasing items and their stats and so on for c#/unity? XML, JSON, any others?

>>153475347
I recommend that you don't do this.

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I think I might need to try an overlay effect that just has random slashes travel across the screen instead of this.

I'm just using normal sword attacks right now as a placeholder, once I get the attack animations set up where I'm happy with them, I'm gonna make this way fucking crazier.

wait a moment, does a publisher give you money in exchange of your game?

>>153474948
>Your original point is that if someone wants to make an RTS in Unreal they should just build another abstraction layer on top of the engine that already exists.
No your original point is that having to write gameplay code, IE RTS gameplay code for something like Unreal is an extra layer of abstraction that wouldn't otherwise exist when in fact these engines make no assumption about the games you are making ever and you always have to go through this process.

There is no default gameplay style in Unity for example. You get a blank screen with nothing. In my own games, for collisions for example I do not use Unity's "built in" style physics and only it's shape tools.

Unity's physics existing has never hurt me in any way in this process, and it would of been substantially more work to just go find some shape library and write everything in C.

>Again, does this matter for an RTS? Strategy games in general tend to be CPU bound.

The CPU bottlenecks for RTS games come from the graphics drivers typically, still a renderer problem. You want to support at least 2 paths because of this.

>This is exactly my point, see above.

If that's exactly your point, then you are a retard because a render like that is not useful or feature complete nor is it even stable because it hasn't been tested.

>>153475438
How else would I do it?

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>>153470854
It's AGDG bingo! Today's theme is Game Maker devs.

>>153475484
A good publisher will help you by funding the development of the game, marketing and all that jazz for a massive cut of your profit once you start selling the game.
Careful, some might get you to transfer the IP to them in which case you're fucked.

>>153474923
Its just hilarious. He said in the last thread that he doesn't post because of all the furries, and bashed that tigerdev guy back when he was posting.

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>get good idea for a game
>every new idea I get spawns dozens of new ideas
>every new idea makes me lose hope that I would ever finish it
>end up giving up before starting anything

>>153475347
Json for readability during development and binary for speed and efficiency at release.

>3D Modeling
Damn this is exhausting. Takes hours to even make anything.

>>153475508
Isn't one of Unity's big features that you can use the editor and inspector at runtime?

>>153475547

>putting knights, medieval stuff, sword wielding heroes and grappling hooks in the dev bingo as if it's a bad thing

You disgust me.

>>153475450
Looks cool.

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>>153475494
>nor is it even stable because it hasn't been tested.

>testing things
>not proving they work with maths

looks like someone isn't using the glorious enginedev master language

>>153475640
its easyer than pixelart once you automate rigging. if you choose low poly without normal maps.

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Oh wow, it almost looks like I know what I'm doing.

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I added a simple multiplayer chat. The window actually looks smaller when it is fullscreen and fades away if no new messages are shown.
Next step will be some actual racing logic like checkpoints, and recording who won and stuff like that

>>153475714

You don't think the attack animations themselves look stiff? That's what I'm sweating right now.

>>153475710
They're not bad, they're just common tropes.

>>153475738
Haskell has barely any capacity for theorem proving. It's just pure by default so slightly easier to write programs that can be proven externally.

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Is there any non meme reason why you shouldn't write 80% of your code in asm and the rest c++ glue?

>>153475738
>He doesn't realize he just said he can solve the halting problem

Heh, nerd

>>153476020
I think Coq is based on Haskell but I could be mistaken

>>153475684
I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Do you want me to make a prefab object for each item and manually assign their stats in the editor? It seems much more efficient to have one object that loads its stats from a file depending on a value you pass to it.
I'm an ex-engine dev and am still figuring unity out

>>153475951
Well ofc, they are placeholders you said. The game itself look interesting.

I played Doom wads like what you are doing and they were cool.

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fuck getting rid of the furrys can we get rid of engine devs? atleast furrys are yesdevs and actually have games and not just useless engines that will never go anywhere.

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>>153475547
Fight me.

>>153476229

It uh, it IS a Doom wad. I've been working on finishing this project so I can have a peace of mind before I go into proper indie dev, and some of you guys are a good source of feedback regarding visual elements and gameplay mechanics.

>>153476105
>mount stupid
There is no decidable algorithm for proving that an arbitrary program halts. You can prove termination by changing the "arbitrary" part and/or getting a human to help with the proof.

>>153476142
It's not. It can extract to Haskell, though.

>>153475951
The normal swing looked like it could have more of an arch, but the "special attack" swings looked great.

>>153476159
>ex-engine
yeah, you all come crawling back to unity and ue4 after wasting years of your lives on pointless engine dev and then realizing that your time is running out and you have to get that million dorra game done, since you have to find a job soon
it sucks doesn't it?
also save on prefab per item and then load the item state config from a json file

>>153476392
Except you are forgetting one important thing.

You cannot prove anything about the state of the program because it runs on windows, which state is non-deterministic, which is why you are solving the halting problem.

>>153472272
Are you that retard that claimed to have contributed to khronos but coincidence had it that you left just after people were asking for evidence?

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>>153475547
Not sure if my thing counts for the two I marked "?"

>>153476623
Khronos is a fucking group of random people and companies that decide standards for graphics API's. They don't make game engines. Are you a fucking retard?

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rate.

>>153476329
Like seriously, they're still arguing about these fucking engines.

>>153476105
Haskell is decidable as long as you ignore IO.

>>153476607
Windows has fuck-all to do with this.

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For the barafurri bulge game

>>153476857
>Your program runs on windows
>Your program can only run because calls to the Operating System
>You are saying you can prove the completeness of a program that has to run on top of these systems, and by that virtue isn't some magical sandbox without any consideration for that system itself.


Okay bro.

>>153476747
>brash retard claims to have worked with Opengl since the 90s and have contributed to it; is asked for evidence; no evidence given
>brash retard claims to have real professional experience with commercial engines; similarities ensue

I wasn't talking about Khronos making engines, I was just commenting on your personality and I'm pretty sure you're the same guy, you flaming moron.

>>153476953
You verify to a specification. For parts of the program that call on Windows, the specification corresponds.

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>>153475547
Huh, I'm sort of disappointed I didn't win.

>>153477007
>>153476747
Also kill yourself. You're literally the Molyneux and Todd Howard of agdg

>>153474469
Neat as fuck. Though, personally, I like it better when the numbers font is monospace and you can see the extra zeros (e.g. 0032/1200). A fixed width ammo counter is less distracting and neater IMO

>>153477007
Nobody has asked what engines I've ever worked on.

The engine is called FlatRedBall. It used to be a DirectX engine but then was switched to XNA when that was first released. It was also ported to Java to work on androids Java version. No idea what is going on with it now because I don't work on it anymore.

>HURR I NEVER ACTUALLY ASKED YOU THE QUESTION BUT I'M SURE YOUR SOME RANDOM FAGGOT WHO SAID SOME RANDOM SHIT

Also I could not have worked nor would I have claimed to work on OpenGL in the 90's because I was in fucking elementary school. Off yourself.

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>>153475547
Am I doing something wrong? I didn't get Bingo

>>153476762
Would bang if that's the question.

>>153475591
Yeah, sounds like jealousy to me.

>>153475547
>more than half of the items there aren't bad things

>>153476943

Bullet Tiger doesn't have a grapple hook though.

...Maybe he should?

>>153477228
i'll take it in account, the only thing really changing there is the 1, but hopefully it won't be as distracting when it's changing at the intended speed

>>153476762
the shapes are fine. but the colors are not. either use light/shadows or pick a better combination of colors.

>>153477259
>2D engine using high level frameworks as a base
This qualifies you to have opinions on state of the art 3D rendering?

>>153477259
>FlatRedBall
Kill yourself, David.

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>>153477351

>>153474760
Ah I see, that's why all these new western AAA games have such amazing game design, surely everyone should follow this model to replicate the stunning gameplay of memorable games like No Man's Sky, Bishock Infinite, TW: Rome 2, Destiny and a fan favorite Tom Clancy's The DIvision. Games are so much better when you hire a bunch of pretentious asshole idea-guys who don't know the first thing about anything to make your game great.

>>153477551
Fuck. Meant to quote >>153475547

>>153477318

Tigerdev?

>>153476104
yes
by the end of it you will want to kill yourself just to end the suffering unless you're a programming prodigy
higher level languages were created for a reason

>>153476563
Wew boy, I've always just made what seemed fun to work on. Until recently I didn't think my ideas in terms of design would warrant making a game, so I made engines and helped other people make their games.
Thank you anyway.

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~~=Weekly Recap=~~
>>Late Edition
We got 30 games, 19 have returned from the previous recap. That means Demo Day 10 should have 30 games to play. Keep up the great work. Continue to make game.

~~=High Scores=~~
(15) TacticalRPG
(11) Vampire's Bit
(11) Unnamed Pixel Platformer
(9) Ctesiphon
(8) Knightly Terrors
(7) Monolith
(5) Skylarks
(5) RadMaze
(4) Vagabondia
(3) Project Shmoop
(3) M4World
(3) [Placeholder Title]
(2) Whimp the Bold
(2) Shiphack
(2) Restless Dreams
(2) Project Wingman
(2) Halloween Bullet Hell
(2) City Night
(2) Ball Run

(Score is calculated by number of recaps in a row)

~~=Feedback=~~
Think I've missed your game? Notice the scraper has made an error? Ideas or comments? Reply to this and let me know! Include your game name if it's missing.

>>153477663
Excuse me but most gamers who arent complete dicks up their own ass level contrarian (read: /V/) realize that no mans sky is a landmark acheivement in gaming and procedural generation. No game has ever simulated an entire universe with 18 quintillion planets all in real time.

>>153478034
>No game has ever simulated an entire universe with 18 quintillion planets all in real time.
and it still hasn't now

>>153478006
>implying killing yourself is a bad thing

>153478110
please stop responding to obvious bait.

>>153475547
I dont know what 2D fruity means but I only got free space.
Does this make me a special snowflake?

>>153470854
Real lewd jam:
https://itch.io/jam/agdg-lewd-jam

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>>153478479

>>153478479
real discord:
https://discord.gg/3SytT

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>>153478014
>That means Demo Day 10 should have 30 games to play

a game where you spend real money to buy and sell memes on the meme market

What language should I use for adding scripting, Lua or another?

>>153478901
Lua is really good.

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When I try to open GameMaker Studio it just flashes the Updating window and then closes and nothing happens...

I've tried re-installing it multiple times, restarting my computer, running it as administrator and the early access build.

It just won't fucking open... someone help me please :(

>>153479039
>aspiring game dev cant even open his baby engine

try to solve something for yourself because you'll be doing a lot of that if you're gonna have any hope in this industry

>>153478901
I've just read some Stack Overflow topics about this question. It looks like for gaming Lua is the standard, but some like to use Python. I'm implementing Lua at the moment, it's pretty comfy, however I don't know if suddenly all my Google skills have failed me or what, but articles on how to get C++ and Lua together are not as frequent as I imagined, so I'm mostly relying on the Lua docs and I check out binding libraries for functions and ideas which might be useful.

>>153479182
Well I listed all the things I tried and I also tried googling it and nothing came up.

What else do you want me to try you fucking idiot?

>>153479230
don't reply to enginefags for starters

>>153479039
No idea. But there's other engines you can use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Hjfu0-oZY
good talk about story in games

>>153479439

>Games
>Stories

No. This is a bad thing.

I'm so fucking demoralized right now. Why is everything so goddamn terrible?

>>153479524
>I want to make pong endlessly

>>153479182
>>153479390
>It's a "nodevs attempt to downplay people for using game maker"

>>153479559
what's wrong anon

>>153478637
actually I will also uploadd on demoday except I never post in those recaps

>>153479559

Do like me Anon. Give up and apply for your nearest Wendies.

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>>153479439
>brand universe: the dindu protecting chink game writers
>feeling qualified to lecture others on story

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>>153475547
It's impossible to win this thing I was really generous
I marked 2D fruity even though I don't know what it means

>>153479650
If he can't even get game maker to work on his own he has zero chance of making a game.

>>153479760
well that's true but
>>baby engine
>>there are other options

ain't gonna help the retard to crawl out of his hole

>>153479218
Just invert control as much as possible. You don't want Lua to be responsible for anything but pure logic. It shouldn't own any resources, etc.

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>>153475547

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>>153475547
eh

>>153479854
>le baby engine meme
nothing like bragging about making our own engines to prove we are adults amirite? XDDDD

>>153479524
>>153479439
>GDC
games can have stories, but instantly discarded because Gee-Dee-Cee. Nothing intelligent comes from there. NOTHING. This is the "industry-only" convention that Zoe Quinn gets a free pass to every year instead of paying the hundreds of dollars for entry, despite being forever nodev, so that cucks can listen to an unfunny, untalented woman with no talent try to explain comedy in games.

-Women aren't funny
-ZQ doesn't make games
-ZQ isn't a comedian and failed attempting stand-up
-games aren't funny(at least not as a primary feature. Try laughing all the way through a vintage or modern Leisure Suit Larry, I dare you)

only watch GDC videos if you want to reform your non-existent problem with making sexist characters and situations you didn't know you were doing

>>153480039
that's the point i'm trying to make you fucking mongoloid

>>153479760
>>153479854

I've never had issues with any other program but because GameMaker refuses to start on my computer (without giving any errors or anything), that makes me a retard/stupid?

Fucking assholes.

>>153475547
Why is grappling hook bad?

>>153479874
Personally I just want to handle events with it. NPC talks and such.

>>153480124
because he saw it in 2 games on /agdg/ so it's bad

>>153480132
Then the design for that is very trivial.
From c++ call the appropriate lua function when events are triggered, use globals or the stack for variable access.

>>153480119
>that makes me a retard/stupid?
yes.

I hope you can figure it out somehow, no haterade here. But yes you are stupid/retarded.

>>153478637
>like 80 people have signed up

How much actual follow-through will there be? The less there are does that mean the more people that will play my game?

You can use game maker; go ahead, use it. But don't ask me to respect you or treat you like an adult. Because you are a child.

>>153480437
You are like a baby

>>153480437
is the Spelunky dev a child? Successful game on steam

>>153480089
>Nothing intelligent comes from there. NOTHING.
Funnily enough I've seen a few useful talks appear on my Youtube front page. Granted I'm a techdev so the bullshit femdev talks don't really appear for me though.

>>153480089
Ok, if you won't listen to it I'll summarize the talk for you
>Topic is the structure of stories in video games
>Hollywood movies follow the classic three act structure
>Recently, television has change its structure to work in larger, episodic arcs
>Some video game developers adapt this TV structure to video games (walking dead, the last of us)
>studies show players remember shit-all about the plots of the games, HOWEVER players are a thousand times more likely to remember characters in games
>Consider portal as an example, the entire game is shaped around exploring the character of Glados - there isn't as much a plot as it is a character study
>Players also tend to remember plot points that are entangled in gameplay, ie the entirety of Paper's Please
>in conclusion, fuck structure and make better characters with plot driven exclusively through gameplay

>>153480348
You are so fucking retarded its unreal.

insecurity

>>153480124
because the person who did this thinks they are cool but is too shitty to code them himself so he shits on others.

It's all about being jelly

>>153480132
That's all state machine (or coroutine) stuff. Make the Lua function return an action, which may have a continuation which is a Lua function that returns an action, and so on. Continuations are a massively useful tool for IoC.

On the native side, you interpret these actions and run them as states in a state machine, calling the continuations and transitioning to the returned states as necessary.

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>>153480437

>>153480342
Yeah, that's the idea. Thanks!

Currently, my main problem is passing variables to a Lua function. I use the lua_push functions, but it doesn't feel right to call that for every single variable. What are the usual approaches to this?

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>have about 15 movies in my backqueue by now
>don't play any games at all
>literally every second of my free time is consumed by game dev
>take a tiny break to watch the new mlp ep
>feel like shit for not spending that time by deving instead
this really sucks, i don't want to look back in 20 years and realize that i just wasted two decades worth of free time on doing a part time hobby that never made me any money anyway and never actually took the time to have some actual real fun just for the sake of fun

Not the original guy, but one thing I've never understood about Lua is how to define the interface. Obviously I need to know which methods to call on the C++ side a priori, so am I supposed to just tell developers "this is what you need to call your method" or is the Lua program supposed to tell the C++ program what the name of the method to call is somehow?

>>153480437
here's double the (You)s in a single post, you giant baby

>>153475547
> you cant be medieval
> you can't be sci-fi
> you cant have swords
> you can't have a story
> putting detail to your graphic is bad

when did this become a meme?

@046
kill yourself

>>153480779
I thought state machines would be fine for this, and started to work with that, but then I've realized if I want to have complex events and NPC behaviour in the future, then it's better if I just handle these things via scripts than write them in the actual code. It feel more organized and flexible this way.

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>>153480641
>I can open Game Maker
>you can't

Who's the real retard here? Go use Unreal, you piss-ass, faggot-ass, pussy-ass, bitch-ass, punk-ass, suck-ass fuck-ass turbonigger.

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>He imagines his favorite reviewer liking his game

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post weeb dev music

>>153481389
Did you even read my post? You do both, although to the Lua side it doesn't appear that way.

>>153481046
This is what my schedule looks like:
>wake up at 8:00am
>be into work by 9:00am
>be back from work at 5:30pm (worked on some stuff during lunch break)
>cook dinner/watch shows from 5:30-8:00pm
>dev from 8:00pm-1:00am

Easy peasy, I even get two and a half hours of free time a day.

>>153481082
function update()

end
engine_set_update(update)

>>153480623
I'm actually glad you greentexted that. The last three meme-arrows are good, but I didn't have to sit through 45+ minutes of them talking about Hollywood & TV like they know anything about it beyond the average viewer.

>>153481494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZRzVIhBBQg&index=3&list=PL91DFD5E6CA9F3BE4

>>153480437
>I'm so mature I have to make public my childlish disagreement with other's preferences
God job anon, now get your color pencils ready, school starts soon.

>>153481082
You can return something from a script.

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>>153481574

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>ctrl+f "progress"
>Phrase not found

>>153481574
I wouldn't be able to get any real progress with just 5 hours though, i dev 12hours/day minimum (no job currently, just school) and i stil feel like if i'm moving at incredibly slow pace

>>153481714
Yeah yeah, wageslave cuck something something. I luckily don't hate my job. And hell, I'm shitposting from work right now. Cushy job, cushy life.

>>153481637
it's actually a short one - 25 minutes

>>153481046
>Literally spend 12 hours a day devving
>it still feels like it's not enough

suicide isn't that bad desu

>>153481526
Sorry if I have misinterpreted your post. Now it's clear what you've meant.

>>153481494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTVDS8uxpbo

>>153481469
>he has a favorite reviewer

>>153481843

I didn't mention it, but I posted some >>153475450

Now I gotta figure out how to pull off a convincing blur/slash effect within a first person perspective like this.

>>153481574
Oh hey we have the same schedule.

>Wake up at 8am
>Get to work at 9am
>Finish at 5:30pm
>Think about devving
>Nah, too tired
>Watch anime until 1 am
>Go to sleep

>>153481494
Can I post two?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP90Wnj0LTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCodVbucTbo

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You know, dodging an endless amount of missiles is kind of fun, I might keep this as "Unlimited Missiles Mode"

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>>153475547
I think I'm doing fine

How deep should scripting go? I've never modded a game so I don't know what makes a good or bad API. How do these hugely moddable games like HL2 do it? Is the entire game created in the scripting language with only the engine being done in the host?

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>>153475547
How'd I do?

>>153481985
b-but I like superbunnyhop

>>153481637
the character thing is a big one. Stanley Parable is basically a character study of the narrator, the only thing anyone remembers about Cave Story is the characters - it's the same reason waifu games are successful

>>153482206

what do you mean by 1/3 sword wielding protag?

You have 3 playable guys and only one wields a sword?

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>>153481469
>your favorite reviewer will die before you finish your game

;^)

>>153482245
patrician taste, brother

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>>153475547
Are catgirls considered anthro? Or are they their own thing? The only cat parts she has are the ears and the tail.

>>153482312
totalbiscuit?

>>153482292
It's one option at game start. Other are Book and Staff.

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>>153481418
I managed to get it to work.

Kill yourself.

>>153482145
I love this

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>>153482312
He deserved it tho

>>153482443

Tell me more.

>>153482312
tb will die in 10 years you still have time anon

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>>153481854
>>153481896
This is how every OMA feels. And after months, if not years, of this killer pace, and sacrifices (you can't even have a social life) you finally release your game and get like 20 sales and 5 refunds and that moment will fucking break you and you will become one of those mindless automatons who marries a girl, get a kid, a mortgage a car, plants a tree gets a white picket fence and sits in a cubicle from 9 to 5 to support his copy&paste middle class life, only realizing on his death bed that he wasted his time on an illusion of what he thought was happiness, but it was only because the society told him this is happiness, he would be lying there, minutes away from death, regretting all his choices, but it is to late to fix it now.. and he knows that.. he then feels the cold wave spreading through his old, tired, broken body, he looks at all his family sitting around him, realizing he gives no shits about them, he closes his eyes and breaths out his last feel, a tear won't roll down his face, there is no point now

>>153482173
Garry's Mod implements most of the basic building blocks of the game (guns, vehicles, NPCs etc) in the engine then uses Lua to define how they behave. For example, every weapon has a PrimaryAttack and a SecondaryAttack whose behaviour is controlled from Lua.

>>153482173
You really should just worry about making a scripting API, tools, etc. for yourself instead of modders. If you want something to be moddable, do it through those systems, and it will be fine.

>>153482531
>Spend 9.9 years not doing anything besides hardcore neeting
>Finally open my IDE
>"TotalBiscuit has died"

>>153481469
>>153482312

>having a favorite reviewer

is this a Generation Beta thing?

>>153482245
You are a fucking fag.
because only fags like reviewers
Reviewers are leeches who can't make anything good themselves so they make a living by shitting on the hard work of others. Fuck them and fuck you for sucking their cocks

>>153472119
>MOBA gameplay
Genius.

>>153482556
Such is the life of a true yesdev

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>>153482556
no please I just want to make a game

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>>153482670
It's a furry cock vore unbirth thing.
You wouldn't understand unless you fantasized about a hung futa horse girl with pussy for a urethra.

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>>153475547
Do I have to stop working on this one now?

>>153482523
Game is based around "Tune". You are created because an item was in tune with the crystal you were created from. Depending on your choice you will be able to develop strength, knowledge or curiosity based powers. A Sword-wielder will for example be able to life heavy rocks or threaten enemies into submission, knowledge based characters can learn how to read inscriptions in foreign languages and build stuff from Blueprints while Curious characters get to move faster, evade danger and see things spontaneously with my version of Batvision.

>>153481637
just speed it up to 2x, you can still catch everything

never watch something like this at normal speed.

>>153482785
just don't, don't go on, there is nothing but shit waiting for you, trust me

>>153482431
shit. him and probably jim sterling might not be around long enough to shit on my game by the time I manage to finish it. fml, why do video games industry-related people have so many health issues. I will never be able to thank Awata for Pokemon Red or MontyOum for getting me interested in animation and kpop

>>153481018
There is probably a better way for things like structures but I don't know enough about the API, on the other hand I didn't have any issues with using push/pop only and I was running thousands of scripted entities.

>>153483151
I'm sorry, I think you mistook this for reddit?

>>153482427
Protip: if it looks like a human it's not anthro.

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Let's make it!

>>153483151
Because sitting in front of your pc 24/7 destroys your health

>>153483201
All right then, that was my worry. Thanks again!

Let's talk HP bars

Units or bars?

>>153481854
How the fuck do you not make progress in five hours? Do you just shitpost constantly and not actually dev?

>untalented woman with no talent
*unskilled? Though you could argue she has twice as little talent as other talentless hacks.

I agree about game having stories, but some GDC talks CAN be neat, though. Just a few threads ago someone posted a video of Warren Robinett talking about Adventure, it was pretty interesting.

>>153482145
This could make for a great Nightmare type difficulty mode

>>153483478
Both. Both is good.

>>153481494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IgwLT_mYc

>>153483361
You can also try userdata though I haven't personally used it, but the example is fairly clear
https://www.lua.org/pil/28.1.html

>>153482556
See, the thing is this is a post made by a fucking faggot. Games fail before ever making it to greenlight, not after that. Once you make it to steam you're looking at 4-500 sales simply by being on steam. If you're in the top 50% you're looking at 10k sales.

it isn't impossible and this quitter's attitude is just to cover up for your failings.

>>153482670
How can you not like Angry Joe? aside from all the new movie reviews. why does he keep adding new people and not introducing them or giving us their backstory. I'm only now getting used to Del, who the fuck are all these other assholes. Shitty character development, these new characters have no motivations so we can't sympathize with them since we don't even know what their deal is.

>>153483478
>Implying that game genre, design and themes have nothing to do with that decision

We can't tell what would be beter for your game if you only post that

>>153482881
this sounds like a powerful lifehack re: media consumption

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>>153476762
cute/10

>>153482881
I watch 30 anime per season and watch them at either 1.5x or 2x speed depending on the show. It makes it easy to cover everything.

>>153482145
I might be even more fun if it was still an unlimited mode, but you try to gather randomly spawned flags while dodging, no attacking, so your movement has purpose and direction.

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feedback pls

does this idea have potential or not https://adn.itch.io/01

>>153483635
eat cock, Mr. Positivity

>>153484163
Nice downwell clone desu.

Question
How functional/how much of a game does your demo day demo have to be
Like if you don't have much to show, is it okay to submit a demo?

>>153484463
You can literally have a 10 second long demo and it's fine.

>>153484463
It needs to open a window
Das it

>>153484524
>>153484554

Thanks anons

Please fill in the blanks:

A.) Artist is for ___________.
B.) Programmer is for ___________.
C.) Level Designer is for ____________.
D.) Sound Engineer is for ____________.

>>153484463
>Like if you don't have much to show, is it okay to submit a demo?
there's no prize so fuck it. Just submit a title screen and a slideshow of fun features you wish were in the game. Sean Murray the fuck out of it, we're amateur trash

>>153484163
At first I legit thought this was from a Downwell prototype.
Sure, it looks just as fun. I'm giving it a shot.

>>153484634
>A.) Artist is for ___________.
Game
>B.) Programmer is for ___________.
Game
>C.) Level Designer is for ____________.
Ideas guy
>D.) Sound Engineer is for ____________.
Making audio on linux work

>>153484668
You can do ANYTHING

>>153484634
A.) sexual
B.) sexual
C.) sexual
D.) sexual

>>153484634
A.) Artist is for art
B.) Programmer is for code
C.) Level Designer is for level design
D.) Sound Engineer is for sound

>>153483646
>Angry
it's a codeword for manchild

>>153482685
jesus christ, have you entirely missed the point of critique? even hacks who regularly get shat on understand the value of critics and learn to improve as artists. the latter who just throw autistic tantrums when their work is criticized (aka you) end up stagnating in mediocrity

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>doing graphics work for a friend
>ask for a build where i could switch out graphics for tiles on the fly because i'm pretty sure unity can export builds without encrypted assets
>he completely fucks the game doing something else so i'm sitting here with no way to see how the tiles look in-game

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>>153484921

>>153484634
>A.) Artist is for Brianna Wu.
>B.) Programmer is for Nina Freeman.
>C.) Level Designer is for Zoe Quinn.
>D.) Sound Engineer is for Nickelback®.

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Just started replacing the sprites, but I don't know if I'm going to get this shit for DD in time.

>>153484319
Go ahead and wallow in self pity. I'm sure it'll help you make a game. It will at least convince you it's the world's fault you fail, not your own, same as the rest of your failures.

>>153481494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKY38Nx8dSo

>>153481494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4feUSTS21-8

>>153485152
HNNNGGGG!
I missed you, anon. I'm happy that you are still here.

I'm the next hopoo

>>153483635
Yoooo! That's excellent to hear if true, my dude.

The bit about the average sales for released games through greenlight.

Do you have any links/ insight into hard numbers and statistics for that sort of thing I could take a look at? I mean, sometimes it seems certain games even if they look and play pretty decently, sell no copies at all despite being put on greenlight, but then again I haven't delved deeper into it.

Is 4chan crapping out or is my connection just shit?

>>153486665
http://steamspy.com/genre/Indie

Steamspy says there are 5888 "indie" games on steam. If you navigate to the cusp of the 50th percentile (2944) you'll see that you're looking at 12869 approximate sales. If you sell for the Indie Game average ($8.69) you'll be looking at:
12869*8.69*(3/2) = 167.7k revenue.

So make it past greenlight and be roughly in the top 50%. From there is just gets better. Can you beat out half the retards who greenlight? Fucking probably.

>.NET 4.6 has SIMD Vector/Matrix types

noice

>>153486787
I have this on multiple sites right now. I bet a datacenter exploded somewhere

>>153487176
I might just be being an idiot but why did you multiply it by 3/2? And shouldn't you earn less than that because steam takes some of the money?

>>153487648
>>153486787
Where are you guys located? You're probably close together and something happened at your ISP.

>>153487648
Bet the ruskies did it.

>>153487176
So you made 167k, so after taxes you're looking at somewhere around 110k personal profit (took a bit off because you probably spent some money of dev, right?). Hell, with 110k in my pocket I could live for 2-3 years, certainly enough time to make another game.

Never give up! The vast majority of indie devs fail before they ever finish a game. Finish the damn game! Greenlight is a filter, but as long as your game isn't unplayable bad and you can make a good trailer it should be fine (fuck hire a guy with a good voice if you really need to). Make sure to advertise and build ground swell before you produce the game, make sure you're a known face in both gaming and development communities. The next barrier after finishing the game is simply getting a small community, which is relatively easy as long as you participate in the community. The biggest mistake people make is expecting their game to just BECOME popular. Showing your stuff off should never bring you shame, despite what people in /agdg/ say. A lot of the echoing in here is to try and keep people here because nodevs don't like it when someone is successful in front of them, only when vaguely successful from far off.

So here is the main points:
>finish the fucking game
>have a good trailer
>be a member of the community

Really if you do these three things your game will do fine.

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H-here I go

>>153487653
Should have been 2/3, whoops. Change it to 75k. I'm the real retard.

>>153485152
why is this little slut so sexual?

>>153487898
>Hell, with 110k in my pocket I could live for 2-3 years

What?

My spending per year for the past 3 years was 15k and I never felt like I needed more money.

What are you spending money on?

>>153488105
this is annoying subject matter. I fucking hate people who walk around my building's lower floors with their eyes glued to Pokemon GO not looking where the fuck they're going.

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>>153488105

>>153488105
How meta of you
Now make it so the lower third of the screen is a cookie clicker game with no automation and go deeper.

Yesterday someone posted a link about a developer that used to make it's game only with pixels and complaining how people see pixel games as bad. After reflecting here I just got the answer: the developers are just bad.

They make uninteresing games or generic pixel games with decent art and hope it sells well, people get games for a good adventure and not solely for it's art ( unless we are talking about VN-tier but not even art alone can save said games), so I believe pixelated games are still a go as long you can make it looks interesting and grab general people's attention with it's trailer.

t. guy making a pixelated game

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Why is animating so hard

>>153488253
Rent. I live in one of the most expensive city in the world. Rent alone for me is 18k a year. Food, heat, electricity, internet, etc. cost me another 6k per year. Stuff I want costs me another 6k. So it'd be more like 3.5 years.

>>153488253
>What are you spending money on?
probably living in a state that isn't Ohio like you

>>153488253
>past 3 years was 15k
And I thought I was cheap. Dude, 5k would barely get me through 3 months. Where do you live?

>>153488363
2D animation is harder for newbies than 3D animations for newbies. Specially because you have to redraw a bit, but if you keep doing it a lot you will be able to animate faster normally.

Are futa protags ok or do i need a male one too

The penis is required

>>153488512
Futa > male protag

What are the perks of setting a timescale global variable in game maker?

How is it applied?

>>153488425
Where do you live?

>>153488425
Not talking about you, but I always find it funny when indie devs are surprised they fail and can't afford to be indie when they live in fucking San Francisco.

>>153488437
>>153488462
That's 15k per year, half of which is rent. I live in a mid sized city in UK.

>>153488342
Are you talking about this?
http://www.dinofarmgames.com/a-pixel-artist-renounces-pixel-art/
Honestly, rather than "well if people nitpick the art then the gameplay is obviously not good enough" I think this really is a case of the audience not being up to date with some obscure self-imposed challenge a minority of artists has taken up (and many more have imitated). It's just miscommunication, no one really is at fault here.

>>153488671
San Francisco

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>>153488363
you just have to learn the tricks of the trade. Visit /co/ for animator secrets

>>153488747
Yeah I agree, this thread WAS too on topic.

We can't be having that.

>>153488809
I thought /co/ was just full of women and man-children
are there actual animators there?

>>153488747
He isn't wrong.

>>153488747
he's right.

look at this:
notch, made game, left
hopoo, made game, left
monster gir island, made game, left