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old >>153244192
Why is no one halfway decent streaming reeeeeeeeeeee
first for smug camwhores that blizzard hires
went b2b 12 and 11 arena
feeling pretty good
Miracles to speak in front of your loved ones
>>153291867
>play at rank 11 a few days back
>some dragon warrior shitter
>suddenly gorehowl
Stick to one solid deck. Every once in a while you will stumble upon a deck that is generally shitty, but surprises you with something and wins, especially if you're laddering from rank 10+ in the end of the season.
I am poor and don't have dust and want tirion and paladin murloc 1-1/3 to meme with menagerie but don't have the dust help anons
LIKE SWATTING INSELIKE SWATTING INSECTS
nth for posting your shitty OC.
>>153290296
>What is not sitting under 10 hp against a shaman
You mean 16 hp, right? Because that's how much a shaman can deal damage in a single turn with Doomhammer.
I played the free arena game a few weeks after I started playing, lost 0-3 and have been too ashamed to try again since.
Am I missing out on anything?Posted in the ded thred by mistake, so I'm reposting
>>153292269
Kibler's chair is currently streaming.
Post fucking dicks you legitimately made it to rank 5+ with
I am playing Dragon Warrior because I thought I'd like it but I'm kind of interested in playing nigger priest, I just don't want to drop from rank 11-20 and that shit isn't even listed on tempo storm so I am scared
>tempo storm
I know but I have no thoughts of my own when it comes to cards yet I love them so much. I don't get it.
>>153292659
unlucky arena runs do happen, experience helps a lot since it's kinda different than constructed
there are tools to help you draft more effectively
>>153292659
If you ever git gud at arena it's basically an infinite gold generator, that being said it's really up to how you want to play.
>>153292593
makes you think
>14 damage from hand is ridiculous so we nerfed that
>now you guys dont need sludge belcher anymore, right?
>>153292773
I went from 11~ to 5 with this after I got tired of playing yogg hunter.
>>153292773
Just play it in wild then
>>153292562
>yogg
>turn 11 play this, Yogg again
>Yogg shits this out
>goes back to turn right before playing yogg for 4x Yogg
stop
>>153292659
use heartharena and get good
even a noob like got to a "break even with a daily quest" pretty quickly
>>153292773
Just a standard druid list I'm not a fan of giants in token druid.
>>153292773
this season: reno mage, face hunter and tempo mage
I made the mistake of dusting Barnes, should I craft him again for the resurrect priest deck?
>>153292851
>>153292852
>>153293268
well, it can't hurt to try it then, thanks
Once I've got some gold I'll try a run, and hopefully I won't get blown the fuck out again.
Mage and rogue are ideal for it, right? Priest is worst.
>>153293183
If the game state is reverted, you never played Yogg and you never gained duplicates.
Game state literally means exactly what the board state was like last turn. Opponent cards included.
>>153292562
Oh boy is it shitty OC time?
What are your favourite lines from the Karazhan minions so far?
>Ow.
>>153293485
I'm not saying you gained duplicates though. I'm saying you played your Yogg regularly. Then you played this to revert to the turn before, where you had 10 mana and a Yogg in your hand. So you get to play Yogg.
Then since it's a spell, it could theoretically be cast by Yogg and bring you back to turn 9 where you had Yogg and Future Glimpse in your hand so you can do it all again.
DUDE
LMAO
WEED
>>153293769
Wild looks like a terrible place to be.
>>153292773
Low curve tempo warlock with discard synergy (I added 1x Silverware golem).
>>153294056
It's amazing, dude. It really is like the real game, with so much less cancer.
Every expansion has a card that creates a deck type.
> emperor
> we're gonna be rich.
What is kara's?
Is the new meme priest deck worth saving up for? Seems pretty strong but expensive as fuck
>>153294207
Barnes
>>153294207
Barnes Priest
>>153294269
> expensive
what? Only legendary is a finish?
>>153294207
I could really see some Medivh/yogg decks happening
>>153294207
Arcane giant will probably have the biggest impact of the cards available so far.
It won't exactly create a new archetype, but it will bolster the old spell based combo and control decks.
>>153294207
>TONIGHT, A TAAALE OF GLORIOUS REDEMPTION
Also Menagerie Warden singlehandedly made Beast Druid good and Curator is meming around some decks.
>>153292145
>just got my mage to level 10, using Sheng's starters from early 2015 to build my deck
>decide to give ranked a shot, had gotten 2 starred 25 (lol) using starter cards
>matches me against a 23
>fuck
>getting my ass wiped around the floor, lots of high-cost spells drawn early
>around 13 HP drop a flamestrike and wipe the field (turn 8)
>he equips a bow next round, drops me to 10
>acidic swamp ooze
>firelands portal
>summons the enrage 2/7 troll
>fire my hero power at it every round to buff it up
>he's out of cards in his hand so putting multiple secrets and using his hero power every round
>finally drop a taunter and kill him off with 4 hp left
jesus christ that was SATISFYING
>>153294415
Meme priest uses Sylvannas and any combination of Bloodhoof+Nzoth or Ragnaros for Barnes plays.
How do we make use of fool's bane?
It's an assassin's blade that can't hit face, but no good decks run assassin's blade, and when if they do, they stack up weapon buffs and go face.
I think Blizzard wanted it to fulfil the same role gorehowl does but against small aggro minions while gorehowl is all about killing big control minions.
But warrior already is the king of efficient early clears and stalling for late. It can do a pretty fancy board wipe with Dalaran illusionist but it requires you to have 9 mana and warrior v aggro games are decided by turn 7. If you try to play the weapon the turn before the illusionist, it's a very obvious tell and a huge tempo loss.
It's also completely useless against control decks because all of their minions will take at least 2 swings and all control decks have a finisher burst. You could try to buff up the blade with upgrades and upgrade pirates but that's 8 card slots taken up by what could have just been gorehowl.
Zoo can taunt up low priority minions and argus to get them above 3 HP. The only good thing fools bane is for is killing grim patrons, which I guess is enough if we get back to the 70% patron warrior meta?
Thank you, RNGesus.
>>153294889
That one card that doesn't let your hero take damage on your turn.
>>153294842
Oh, and dragons. I.E. >>153294991
Purify Priest OP. Please nerf, Blizzard.
>>153294207
Barnes. Some of the decks that use Barnes were good in old gods but Barnes just makes them ridiculous. (N'zoth)
He makes decks that have 2 or 3 high mana minions and 25+ spells possible and now is the best time for that archetype since minion power levels are lower than before old gods and also Yogg'saron.
>>153294889
Senfglas played it in tempo warrior.
It wasn't completely bad, but not exactly successful.
It's a really good card on the surface, but all the C'Thun lists are already packed with all they need, and the classic fedora warrior fell out of favor and I don't think Fool's Bane will bring it back. But it has some potential, unlike Tentacles.
>>153295178
make it 3 mana 'kill your own minnion'
>>153295178
I'm playing Purify Priest right now and it's stupid how OP it gets when your combos work.
>>153295024
>5 mana weapon + 3 mana minion
Good luck pulling this shit on aggro
>>153295460
The question was "how do we make use"
That's how you make use. Never said it was "good"
Fucking dolt
>>153295428
You mean your 4 mana 7/7?
>>153294842
Ysera, Ragnaros or Yshaarj
>>153295178
12-11 now
APOLOGIZE
>>153295609
>4 mana 7/7 with Overload +2 and draw a card
TONIGHT:
>>153295428
"Barnes, Y'shaarj and 28 spells" the deck is pretty op when you draw Barnes prep gang up on turn 4
>>153295896
Difference being people are actually winning somewhat consistently with Purifier Priest.
>>153295754
A tale of Highdasitmane
>>153294651
Nice job anon, I've got a special love in my heart for that Gurabashi Berserker.
One time I got matched against a gold warrior, with cards and skill far beyond anything I had, I was completely boned. Anything I'd play would get countered.
But, against all the odds, the enemy's 20 damage C'thun hit the berserker 6 times, leaving it alive at 1 health, and now 20 attack.
That thing singlehandedly won me an unwinnable game.
>>153296009
stories to tell his wife
is face hunter still viable on ladder?
>>153296114
yes
>>153296009
Almost forgot I had a screenshot. and it was a paid skin hero, not a gold.
I miss running those sorts of minions.
>>153296101
He did add me, but I declined. kind of regret that.
is the play a friend still bugged? does the other player get 80 gold?
>>153296617
Me and my friend got it just fine
Somebody post a proof that they have the play a friend quest and I'll challenge him with mine so we both get the reward
>>153296617
It's never been bugged, the player with the quest has to challenge the one with no quest, not the other way around.
Anything wrong with this deck? What can I improve?
>>153297020
1 mana 2/3
B R A V O
R
A
V
O
>>153297127
>>153297119
You don't have any of Karazhan, do you?
>>153297127
That effect is a major downside in anything but Silence themed decks. It can't be used very well in face/zoo since literally 90% of your effects are Deathrattles/Buffs.
>>153297369
Planning on buying it and making a secret hunter deck with avian, cat trick, and cloaked huntress.
I do need something for now
>>153297237
At least heals your opponent for 5 to encourage trading instead of going face. This doesn't prevent you from just going face.
>>153297415
It's a huge buff to decks that don't play many early minions like Mage.
>>153297415
it is a downside but its farcry from major.
on turn 1 its literally a free 2/3
>>153297119
-1 infest
-1 forlorn stalker
-1 tundra rhino
+1 kodo/tiger
+1 river crocolisk
+1 swamp ooze
ideally you'd have grandmothers but considering you're running crokolisks I'm assuming you don't have kara
>>153297237
Zombie is pretty balanced
>guy adds me after I lose a close game
>think maybe he just wants to talk about the game or something so I accept
>just insults me and gloats about winning
>removes me immediately
why do that my man
>>153297757
post chatlog
>>153297574
Thanks, yeah you're right, don't have Kara.
Is Infest that bad? Hunter doesn't have any draw, I always try to play it after I unleash the hounds or when I have at least 4 on board.
>>153297237
>1 mana 2/3 a big downside
>Useless to aggro decks
>2/3 minion is irrelevant in control v control
>Card only useful if aggro rules the meta
Compared to
>1 mana 2/3 with a downside that doesn't really hurt aggro outside of tunnel trogg and darkshire councilman
>Above downside can be played around with minion placement that you have full control over
>Aggro decks would be all over this card
>Forcing control decks to run this just to be able to compete
>It's also a targetable silence that gets rid off downsides to powerful minions
>DUDE 2 MANA 4/5
>DUDE A BETTER 4 MANA 7/7 FOR EVERY CLASS
Midrange shaman or Aggro shaman for ladder?
>>153298061
aggro is your best bet
>>153298061
Aggro. Went from 20 to 5 in two days of playing, around 3 hours both days. I did keep my winstreak for a long period of time tho
>>153296967
Whoever sends the challenge must have the quest.
If two people have the quest, they have to battle twice, while swapping who invited who in between.
And yea, both players get the 80g for the quest. 160g total each over two matches
>>153298232
I know, that's why I was posting that, so we both got 160 gold.
will the final boss be a shaman
>>153298451
Can I have free handouts
>>153298537
post dick & result of that game
>>153298881
i am gonna wait a bit to play
I want to play priest but something better than the current meme decks like Barnes or silence priest, is dragon priest strong now or will I be wasting my time against all of these aggro shits
How do I murloc paladin?
>>153299468
Play Murlocs
Let them die
Don't die
???
Play Anyfin and they concede
>Priest/Paladin Domination quest
>Don't have the expensive cards that make either of those classes work at all
I just fucking realized I'm missing the epic murloc that makes Anyfin Palading work. How the fuck am I missing that card after all the time I'm playing?
>>153299468
Play chargeman and +2/+1man mostly.
>>153300048
Play good old ancient walker silence then
>play on phone sometimes
>go into standard ranked game
>loading screen forever
>let it go for 2-3 minutes
>quit
>restart
>you have won your last ranked match yada yada
happened twice today, literally free wins
Anyone got any more of them 80g friend quests
>>153252529
How is disruption uninteractive? It's a direct interaction with the opponent.
Also there's plenty of disruptive cards in Hearthstone: Saboteur, Excavated Evil, Sap, and Loatheb, to name a few.
>>153299468
>Play murloc charge and murloc cheerleader
>Do anything you want with them it doesn't matter, face damage is nice
>Stall until 10 mana
>Play anyfin after playing at least 3 murlocs
>Go face if you have lethal, board clear otherwise or just go face
>Play anyfin again
>Win
Almost any combination of bluegill and warleader that fills the entire board is 30+ damage, so as long as you played at least 1 of each murloc, second anyfin is always lethal.
If you're wondering about combinations and the damage they can do
>7 bluegill
14
>1 warleader 6 bluegill
24
>2 warleader 5 bluegill
30
>3 warleader 4 bluegill
32
>4 warleader 3 bluegill
30
>5 warleader 2 bluegill
24
>6 warleader 1 bluegill
14
>7 warleader
0 duh
>turn 4 lethalFUN AND INTERACTIVE
>>153301501
>plenty
we may have a different definition of the word
got the 80 shekels quest, post battledick and i'll add you (EU)
this dick has gotten me to rank 6 with a pretty good win rate. Curator has been great for making the memes more consistent. Suggestions?
>>153302182
inb4 bestfaggotmage
>>153302182
Redefusion#1741
I don't have the quest myself if that bothers you.
i want to fucking murder everyone who says thank you after they win
>>153302273
ysera is better than nef
>>153302030
We probably do. "Multiple instances of both old and recent", however, is the only one that matters.
It proves that Blizzard does not have any real problem with the mechanic.
>>153302467
>It proves that Blizzard does not have any real problem with the mechanic.
blizzard has done it at least twice so they obviously don't have any aversion to disruption right
you're fucking retarded
kill yourself
never post again
i hope for society's sake that you never get promoted unless you grow a fucking brain
stupid nigger
>>153302642
wew lad
someone ask reynad why he is so mad while looking at savjz and zeriyah in this picture
>>153302412
that's not a bad idea ill try her out in it
>>153302886
I think he's staring angrily at his own forehead
>>153302886
he came for some new fap material but saw how old zeriyah looks
>>153302886
wow even whit bad posture eloise looks cute
Is it me or are the new adventure cards more cancerous than usual?
It just seems like everyone is running decks where you either have a 90% chance of winning in the first 4 turns or some variant of arcane giant
>>153303340
idk why they keep adding sticky deathrattles
>>153302642
>getting this mad at being wrong
As I even said before, that's only a few of the disruptive cards that exist in hearthstone. I didn't even name half of them all.
>>153302886
>>153302886
I mean hes part slav, and they always look angry
>mage always has mana wyrm, ice bolt, cult sorcerer, apprentice in hand and draws arcane missiles
>shaman always has double totem golem and double lava burst in hand
>druid always has enchanted raven and mark of yshaarj in hand
>hunter always has fucking everything
>never have any of these when I need them no matter how much I try these decks out
>>153303935
I don't look angry.I think.
t. half slav
>>153303935
he's not part slav he's 100% russian slav
>>153302886
He's leaning forward because he has bad posture, but he's trained himself to behave in a more socially acceptible way so he crosses his arms and leans on the table. As a result he looks more normal but also more combative.
>>153304089
>100% russian slav
yea but russian aren slavs. They are mongol-slav like ukrainian.
True slavs are west slavs
>>153304574
fuck off pole
>>153304751
stay mad russian chink
>>153304751
>>153304960
>>153304574
none of you are white
This card's really really balanced. It's fun and interactive to play against.
>>153303984
>shaman not having trogg so they can have a board of 3/3, 3/4, 3/4 by turn 3
>be f2p player
>cobble some decks together to get my dailies
>go into casual
>people still netdecking in fucking casual
???????????
>>153292269
I could stream tonight for you, anon.
>>153305332
Casual is just ranked: ladder anxiety edition for people too scared to claim their monthly dust prize.
Forget it exists, play ranked if your decks aren't half bad or brawl if they are.
>>153305371
not unless you're cute and stream without clothes on
>>153305263
if it's not aggro it can't be cancer
>>153305275
>opponent is Shaman
>mulligan for removal because can't do anything else against trogg and double totem
>get removal, Shaman somehow doesn't have the perfect opening hand and I can't do anything for turns until I draw actual minions
>don't get removal in opening hand, Shaman has perfect on curve opening hand and fucks my shit up
The game fucking knows and it keeps fucking me hard.
>>153305509
I would watch that.
Deathrattle is even more cancerous than it was during Naxxramas holy fuck, and this time silence is even less commonplace or useful.
>>153305371
don't stream unless you're wearing cute clothes
>>153305509
>cute
my lady says I'm cute
>without clothes
My flannels are comfy.
>>153306117
I run earth shock as a one-of sekrit tech
>>153306164
are the flannels cute though
>>153306437
"Cute" is an odd word to describe them. Besides, I have a thing against streaming with my webcam as my laptop one totally ruins my face's lighting.
find a flaw.protip:
>>153306712
i can't
>playing aggro shaman to rank up to 5
>crushing every opponent I'm matched against
It's actually fucking depressing how easy this is. Blizzard fix your fucking game.
>>153306712
its not vanessa
>>153305156
go back to /pol/ amerifat
>>153306712
eyebrows
>>153306865
i have it open in another tab, subhuman slavshit
>>153305332
Stay away from casual, at least on ranked you have a at least 30% chance to win. Casual is where all the aggro shitters go to when they can't rank with their netdecks.
>>153306712
Isn't she like completely unimportant compared to all the other heroes in Hearthstone?
I don't play WoW so feel free to talk down to me about it.
>>153306989
no, that's a meme made up by jaina
>>153306712
wouldn't her ears hit those giant shoulder spike things every time she turned her head sideways
>>153306940
>he doesn't like strong eyebrow game
h-h-homo...
>>153306712
Dresses like a slutty drag-queen.
>>153306712
looks like she's packing something
>>153306973
I knew you are cuck
Do you enjoy your black president? Are you ready for first woman president?
>>153306712
Weapon classes are cancer.
All the worst instances of cancer in the game have been directly related to weapons.
>>153307948
t. gul'dan
>>153307948
>control warrior
>aggro shaman
>miracle rogue
my god he's right
>>153307948
>Weapons
>Not charge minions
>>153307731
>Do you enjoy your black president?
Not him but compared to all our current candidates I honestly would not mind a third term.
>>153306712
She's not Anduin.
>>153308259
The bullshit degenerate charge minions were in Rogue and Warrior.
>>153308259
weapons are charge minions with divine shield
>>153308120
Miracle isn't cancer. He's right about the rest thought.
>>153308425
>I honestly would not mind a third term
Vote for Hillary then. That's literally her campaign.
>Try to play control warrior, supposedly the deck with the least rng
>draw none of my removal
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>153307731
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
>>153308815
>obama
>but an actual criminal instead of a percieved one
>also a woman so even more likely to be contested by republicans
that doesn't sound good at all
>>153308873
>draw none of my removal
>control warrior
Impossible 1/2 of your deck is removals. Did you draw Fiery Win Axe? That is a removal.
>>153309018
>le sexist Republicans
Ride the Johnson then. He's pretty much a DINO.
Prove you are not an aggro shitter
>>153309358
>DINO
Fuck, I mean a Democrat in all but name.
daily reminder that if you don't play a Yogg deck you suck
>>153309529
nice post retard rng faggot
>>153309529
t. reddit
>>153308967
>be cuck
>try lecture others about being white
You are govern by black man even russian mongol-slavs are more white than amercan cuck
>>153308815
Hillary is not Obama no matter how hard she tries to sell herself as such.
For one Obama actually voiced regret over Libya. Hillary would never admit to actual fault despite the fact that she was the one who convinced Obama to intervene in the first place and went around accepting credit when it looked like things were going well.
... fuck, I think I might actually miss having a human being in office once Obama is gone.
>>153309359
priest niggers are worse m8
>>153309667
>cuck cuck cuck cuck
When did this stop being a card game thread on a government monitored North Korean basket ?weaving forum?
>>153308654
>Not Warlock
>Not Hunter
>>153309957
Hunter has like 1 good one
>>153309359
kill yourself combo shitter
>>153309929
Priest is my only golden class :^)
>>153309667
This has nothing to do with Hearthstone. Please take it somewhere else.
>>153292145
How do you guys deal with hitting legend? I'm rank 11, and it feels like every game I win, I lose the next. So is this supposed to be a grind, until I get lucky and break through, or would a good player just zoom straight to legend?
>>153310082
With Call of the Wild included he inevitably gets four per game.
>>153310725
It's absolutely a grind. Every other person who reaches Legend does it once and then only goes to rank 5 because fuck doing that again.
>>153310725
It's a grind no matter how good you are.
The only thing you can do is pick a deck that's generally solid and can win games fast (which is why Midrange Hunter is a favorite pick for the climb). Then you just keep hitting that "Play Standard" button. If, after 50 games, you've got an established 50%+ Winrate, then logic dictates that if you continue to hit the "Play Standard" button, you will win enough games, eventually, to hit Legend.
>>153308259
Weapons ARE charge minions.
>>153310725
most players who make it to legend do it with a 60%+ win rate with 55% being the bare minimum since otherwise the sheer amount of games is just prohibitive
>Burn out everything enemy has
>he plays yogg
>instantly lose
AAAAAAAAAAA FUN AND BALANCED
>>153310928
>If, after 50 games, you've got an established 50%+ Winrate, then logic dictates that if you continue to hit the "Play Standard" button, you will win enough games, eventually, to hit Legend.
this is of course strictly speaking true but it's highly misleading as to how most players hit legend
most do it in a sane amount of games with a high win rate
>>153311153
I'd say "A lot" rather than "most".
Will I be a good got for spending shekels on a dragon priest? I've run out of fun decks to play
>>153305263
>Talking about interactivity when you play miracle rogue and will draw half your deck in one turn, play 2 8/8s and a 10/10 cleef then stealth them all
Ayy lmao
>>153311207
according to bbrode their stats suggest the large majority reach legend with at least 55% win rate
>>153310265
Fair and balanced. Remember that hearthstone is not an RNG game. It is purely based on skill. If you lose it is entirely because of your lack of skill and nothing else. Streamers like Trump can get to legend with a basic deck after spending 500-700 hours grinding the ladder. This proves that luck and RNG have nothing to do with it. Remember, have fun playing hearthstone and if you lose, it's because there's something you could have done but you misplayed.
>This is what HS forum faggots actually believe
There are truly matches where the game is decided from turn fucking one.
>Play against Shaman
>Draw fiery war axe on time and use warrior weapons and minions to keep board clear
>Curve out pretty well
>Shaman still keeps flooding board
>Totem spam and tuskarr memes into free golems and 0 mana 5/5's
>Next turn is wolfies so his board is so swollen and fat that he can't play anything else if he wanted to
>Buffs totems to 4 hp each to make removing them even harder
>I have 2 (TWO) minions on board
>I have 2 (TWO) brawls in my deck and card draw to ensure that I fucking get it in time
>No brawls in hand still
>I've already gone through half my fucking deck and still guess what
>No acolytes of pain
>No brawls
Then I get a feeling that I know exactly what's going to happen next almost as if I've seen this happen 100x before
>Bloodlust, of which shamans typically only run one of
>Of course he has it right on cue
>Le "Well played"
>Take around 60-70 face damage
Hahaha, should have played around it! I also love it when I run 6 C'thun minions and only draw one before turn 10! Having a useless shield maiden and emperor vel'kor sitting in hand is great right before I get double Call of the Wilded by a hunter!
Fucking seriously. Even after winning 5 games in a row all it takes is one less to make me hate this game so much. I keep playing because it's fast and fun when you can actually fight back and interact with the opponent.
give god
>>153311474
Shifter
>>153311272
If they survive long enough to do that it could only be against a deck that could freeze their minions, pyro+equality it, or just tank up until they build up a giant Cthun.
Otherwise every other deck can just go to face and win.
>>153311474
SO SWEET
>>153310725
the good players zoom to legend. some people are able to get there the first day.
>>153311474
>>153311504
>>153311585
alrighty then, dragon meta it is
>>153311272
>N'Zoth right there
>Miracle Rogue
>>153311474
boogiemonster
>>153311272
>I Have Literally Never Played Miracle Rogue 2: Valeera Boogaloo: Anduin's Revenge: Butthurt Returns: You Have Bested Me Special Edition Cut
Mods are asleep, post hunter decks
>>153311778
Nah, that post reeks of zooshit
Give me back my neutral heals already you fucking ass
>>153312418
Where is Kripp? Its 9 and he isn't streaming
>>153305263
Warriors fight for the board and try to control it like men. Anyone that complains is clearly playing aggro or combo trash.
>Opponent is an aggro or combo shitter that just wants to kill you in one turn to prove how skilled they are for top decking lethal
>They ignore your minions and go face
>They do literally EVERYTHING they can to avoid trading until they can one shot you or kill you
>Le stealth and draw my entire deck man for 6 mana
>Le interactive destruction mallet for 16 damage with no board
>Realize that if you actually tried to play the game and trade and fight for board control armor and healing wouldn't matter that much
But no, you have to be a retard that thinks it's fair to one shot someone with 30hp with an empty board. Fuck off, god forbid you actually have to work for a victory. If I'm playing control I don't care if my opponent has 1000 armor or 10 as long as I have board control and are behind in fatigue.
>>153312807
he going on at 11
How good is weapon warrior right now?
It looks fun
Does anybody else really hate it when they release Secret synergy? Secrets in general are annoying as hell to play against and I am absolutely not looking forward to Medivh's Valet decks.
How the fuck did nzoth get into the game
the fact that you can throw a bunch of overpowered deathrattles + nzoth into a deck and it instantly becomes 10x better is fucking retarded
>>153312867
"Fight for the board" implies that you actually play minions for reasons that isn't just buffing C'thun or tanking up.
>Le jerk off while I get a higher health total than any other hero in the game
>>153313075
I wanna craft it but since I know it won't be there forever, I'm tempted to just keep making classic legendaries instead
>>153312882
Its good when your opponent doesn't have taints and weapon removal
>>153313075
It's only powerful when the game is really slow and then it's a win condition relying on the opponent not having a board clear.
It's pretty fair and reasonably powered for a 10 mana legendary with a small body
>>153313075
>priest entombs all my shit
>repeatedly bash his face in with a 10-mana 5/7
Good times
>>153313075
Nice b8 m8.
N'Zoth may be the terror of Wild, but there isn't any real threatening deathrattle in Standard other than the standard Sylvanas/Tirion, and the odd super-greedy Dragonlord.
LMAO 2VANCLEEF!
>>153312867
>Fuck off, god forbid you actually have to work for a victory
I don't mind working for a victory. I mind having to work for a victory while you sit on your fat fucking ass lazily farming tempo and card advantage off the cheapest wrath in the game, piles of spot removal, and fucking instant 5-for-1 gorehowl
warrior players should be dragged out into the streets and shot
priest and paladin should be the designated control classes. mage and warlock can be the runners-up.
>>153312867
>playing minions against a control warrior
ULU good luck getting any of them to stick long enough to chip away a significant portion of armor. even if you do the warrior will just refill it with Shield Block and CURTAIN SHITLERS US which ALSO puts a fat 6/6 on the board to continue cucking your minions into oblivion, assuming they managed to live through your 12 other removals. Oh and there's 2 of them in the deck so good luck getting through 20 additional, on demand armor.
you didn't fight for anything you filthy control cuck. all you did was slam Tank Up in between rubbing your cock against your dakimakura and patting yourself on the head for being such a strong, manly cardplayer.
kill you're self faglord.
>>153313185
N'zoth will be around for another two years and he allows you to make a variety of reasonably strong decks. If you have all the required cookie-cutter classic Legendaries I would definitely get him.
>>153313075
More high cost minions should have such a strong impact on the game.
Currently the balance is shit. Most high cost minions don't offer enough to justify using them. Having all minions hare the same ratio of stats to mana is idiotic and having effects be proportionally stronger isn't any better.
A minion that costs 10 times more than another shouldn't have a 10 times bigger impact, it should be 15 times.
If we had more cards that have as strong of an impact as N'Zoth can, maybe the meta wouldn't be aggro with a bit of aggro with a touch of zoo and any Warrior deck in existence.
>>153313075
He's slow as shit shieldbearer.
>>153313579
>warrior does the cucking according to you
>warrior is the cuck because of this
i dont understand
>>153312867
>Le delete literally anything for 20 minutes solid for free class
>Complaining about things that take thought
If you'll get your hands off your fedora and do some research you'll see how easy it is to punish someone drawing their whole deck.
Why doesn't Blizzard just make Abusive Sergeant a 1/1? Why does Blizzard take so damn long to nerf anything in general?
>>153312867
If you are somehow suggesting combo decks aren't the most difficult to play in general, you are retarded.
The control decks you speak of who don't care about armor, (Renolock, control paladin and priest) are easier to play than combo decks like freeze and miracle due to those decks being more forgiving with resource management.
These control matchups generally revolve around who can get justicar out first and bait the most removal before everyone blows their hand before fatigue and has the most big boys stick. The actually fun control mirrors died with handlock.
>>153313905
How is abusive sergeant a problem compared to everything else in Zoo/Aggro?
>>153313761
One is being a faggot and the other is complaining about an anti-aggro deck like it's a bad thing
>>153313761
C'thun warrior is barely a tier 2 deck. It isn't cucking anyone. It gets bucked by good honest proactive gameplay same as any other cucktrol class. It just happens to have a lot of annoying bullshit in the process.
What do you think are the worst legendaries post WotG/Kaz?
>>153314126
Nat, Milhouse and lorewalker cho
>>153314073
that's like asking how is leper gnome a problem compared to everything else in hunter/aggro
and you're right, it's not, mad scientist was the real cancer, etc etc, but that doesn't fucking mean it was wrong to nerf leper gnome, or that we shouldn't have celebrated
abusive down to a 1/1 would have been similarly obvious as a nerf and similarly good for the game
>>153314126
This 100 times
>>153314307
A nerf to +1 attack on Abusive would probably have more impact than making him a 1/1.
So what are you supposed to be doing with Morose in your deck? I have literally no idea how to use this card
>>153314336
It's a good card, though. It's just that priest hardly has any minions sticky enough/worth making a 1/1 copy of.
I think the captcha is trying to tell me something here.
>>153310725
Its a grind except for the innovators, guys like Reynad (NOT calling him near the best just as an example) who consistently make interesting unpredictable decks.
You can do Dragon Warrior/Midrange Hunter to legend if you do 20 games and you win 13 you will be able to make it.
If you make an excellent original deck you will win 15+ out of 20.
Most people can't find the answers for their meta, or know what a meta is. Best bet is to find something OP like DW and grind it like a mofo.
Do try to keep records of your wins and who you beat so you can learn about what beats what and what people are playing if you need a deck switch.
>>153314540
BACK TO YOUR HOMES shenanigans I guess?
>>153314126
All of them have their goofy little niche functions but I think the worst is Noz, it's only use is to piss people off
Still love the fucker though, I won't ever dust it
>>153314090
>deck """""tier lists"""""
reynad pls stop nobody takes you seriously anymore.
>>153314090
>It gets bucked by good honest proactive gameplay
spotted the """""midrange""""" hunter player. not every proactive deck has it as easy as hunter against cucktrol warrior because they don't have the sticky minions or 2 damage hero power. even Miracle Rogue, the classic control killer deck, struggles to beat modern control/c'thun warrior because of the obscene amounts of armor gain. VS Data Report has it as 50/50 at best and the only other control killer is RenoLock but LUL good luck playing that shit in this meta.
>>153314540
Shit him out with Barnes for free value. Play him in Paladin with Steward of Darkshire
>>153314073
Because it's one of the reasons aggro decks have been so consistently strong, and just like Knife Juggler and Leper Gnome, Abusive Sergeant is used in borderline every aggro deck. If you nerf it, you nerf every aggro deck. Sure aggro was still strong after KJ and LG were nerfed, but it's still much more manageable than it was before GvG and Naxx rotated out.
>>153314540
Decks that benefit from filling the board and buffing it benefit from morose
Divine shield paladin or maybe some obscure token druid variant, though violet teacher does the job better in that case.
I'd like him a lot more if he didn't come in at such a terrible time, too much easy access to 1 dmg aoe from all classes to make him viable
>>153314540
Hobgoblin combo
Why isn't confessor used anymore?
>>153314540
Moroes is trash, don't even bother. You need to get around 4-5 stewards for him to actually be a good investment, but that's almost impossible right now. Against control decks there's no way he stays around long enough to be worth playing, and against aggro he's a huge tempo loss and you just get rushed down before you can get value.
>>153315164
>7 mana 5/4 you can't play optimally until 9 that can pull bad cards
Its too greedy
>>153315164
Probably mostly due to aggro ending games before turn 8-9 and the random legendary minion not having as much impact as Yogg
>>153315336
With barnes and resurrect spells she's better now than she ever was.
>>153315529
That may be true, but she still is a 5/4 statline that requires 2 additional mana to function played too late in the game to be garunteed to be rezed, and you still need 6 mana to activate her on a barnes turn.
>>153315723
Sure, but it's two minions for the price of one and the average legendary statline is pretty decent. She was in my deck that took me pretty easily to rank 5.
>>153314540
hes cool looking but bad no matter what. you have to invest too much in him to make him survivable to the point of getting any value out of him, and that itself is so slow and card consuming that you have to already be way ahead anyway to do that without you.
>>153315846
without you losing*
>alright, I'm at 20 health, he's at 4 and I've got lethal in my hand
>If he doesn't have this very specific three card combo, to game me this turn, along with removal for my taunt I win
Me from 5 minutes ago, why are you so gullible?
>dont need board clear constantly draw it
>actually need it and it's bottom of the deck
Every got so angry you had to step away from the computer. Ran into nothing but zoo and even 3 fucking totem shaman and I didn't draw none of my board clear.
>>153315845
Im sure its not completely bad, i just dont see how something like rag isnt more consistant for a ladder climb
>>153316225
Has the game always been like this? I feel like you only have two portions of health and if you're below 18 you're pretty much in lethal range.
>>153314540
With Shaman being the most played class and absolutely every single shaman deck running 1 or 3 Maelstrom Portal's, you're not supposed to use him in any way.
Why does this adventure suck and why was LoE the best?
All the decks that came out of it were so fun
>>153316401
Aggro Shaman doesn't really run Maelstrom Portal.
>>153316318
Well, I don't have rag. But if I did I'd probably swap something else out for it. Confessor is (((fun)))
>>153316553
Aggro Shamans are starting to tech in 1x Maelstrom and 1x Lightning Storm for the anti-aggro/zoo, it's not a huge sacrifice to do so.
>>153316553
The decklist I netdecked runs two of them, with one lightening storm.
And why wouldn't they? Cheap AoE, no overload downside in case Trogg isn't out, and maybe you'll get a free Trogg or Mana Wyrm out of it anyway.
>>153316553
they're beginning too. it's pretty worth it since they can hero power spell power
>>153316356
Only 3 our of the 9 classes have playable heals. 1 of them is actually a pseudo heal that can overheal you. 2 of those 3 classes see barely any play.
Chances are that if your opponent isn't Warrior, he won't recover his health a lot, if at all. So bursting people down is the way to go. Chip down their HP to some amount and safely finish the game with burst damage.
Every class should have some playable heal.
>>153316643
I've seen the lightning storm, but I haven't seen any Shamans except Midrange play Maelstrom, and that's because they also run shit like Azure Drake for extra spell power dank 3 damage removal.
>>153316684
>>153316721
Guess I'm just laddering against shitty shamans then.
>>153310725
Very grindy even for the absolute best, unless you can beat everyone in the first few days before the ladder normalizes.
I've hit legend multiple times with sheer luck, and I've been permastuck at rank 1-3 for weeks sometimes.
>>153316553
They do. I do.
Maelstrom Portal is a 2 mana ruin Zoo and summon a 1 drop card. Objectively better than Arcane Explosion on top of your hero having a hero power that can buff it.
With the 4th wing coming out and the totally balanced 1 mana 3/3 weapon being released, every Shaman will probably run some additional Spell Power minions making Maelstrom Portal a must have card.
Is there anyway to get the new adventure for cheaper than what blizzard sells it at?
>>153317067
Yeah, for gold.
>>153317067
Buy wings with gold and pay 15/10 for the rest of the adventure.
Amazonbux deals/amazon coins in general
>>153293493
I like it
On with the show!The extra Battlecry should be the audience applauding and cheering
>>153316356
if you expect to be safe at (board+14) health or below you'll often be unpleasantly surprised
if you expect to be dead at (board+5) health or below you'll often be pleasantly surprised
a lot of the time in this meta people just don't have their burst in hand because they only run a few copies, it's really weird, I've stolen more than a few games where I 100% expected to die to lava burst / kill command / kor'kron / etc
>>153317365
>adding more rng
haha
yeah
Describe cool pc only ccg effects they could add
>>153317067
I got the whole adventure for free.
By saving up gold.
>>153317365
YES SO I CAN TURN 4 1-3 SPELL YOGG
>enemy Rogue coins out Barnes
>pulls Thaurissan
Is Renolock control or midrange?
(Is Shardless BUG control or midrange?)
So I decided to add a control warrior after beating them with some neato rogue deck and this happened.
Do people really meme this hard ironically to save face?
Twice.
The Innkeeper on Expert silenced his own N.Cleric twice.
Why????
>>153318182
uh
so he doesnt go into fatigue?
shieldbearers? hello?
>>153317481
>cards that activate from the deck automatically when something happens(a ruling nightmare in real TCGs)
>effects that affect the game visually, like turning the screen upside down, or limiting where you can move your mouse
They really don't do enough to take advantage of the PC format besides crafting and randomshit.
>>153317920
>play nzoth pally
>greet opponents at start of game
>well played when they make good plays
>oops when some bad rng happens, wow when good rng happens
>opponents add me sometimes
>always nice people just adding to say nice stuff like "that was a crazy game lol" etc
feels good man
>>153318249
Twice though. On the same cleric.
Wasted a card to silence its own minion that was already silenced?? On turn two?!?
>dragon warrior is favored against hunter
This is bullshit. Hunter is retarded right now against everything.
>>153318504
I must be absolutely jaded because I can't see any emote as something other than BM or salt, besides greeting at the start.
>>153318518
playing around clockwork giant
I need to make room for 2 Eaglehorn Bows, 2 Call of the Wild, and 2 Infested Wolves
What should I take out?
>>153317673
>enemy priest coins out Barnes
>Ragnaros
>resurrect Ragnaros
>Onyx Bishop Ragnaros
>>153318518
He's obviously just feeding Yogg.
>>153318868
both loot hoarders and add a quickshot
>>153318770
my friends say i'm a fucking retard because i view 'Well played.' when you have lethal in your hand as bm
like i feel like you should just say well played when the loser says it first
This deck is cool
>>153317365
>card already has amazing value potential
>let's make it much more powerful
For what purpose?
>>153318393
The second thing sounds cancerous as fuck and they had the upside down effect in alpha but removed it but the first one could work with the quest mechanic from the wow tcg
>>153318868
>no call of the wild
>no abusive argent
>no yogg and load either
What are you even doing?
You need to kill all those junk secrets and make room for essentials
>>153318868
Drop the Fiery Bats, Loot Hoarders, Kill Commands, and Barnes.
>>153319037
I don't think I can add a third quickshot.
>>153319291
But muh memes
>>153318868
take out secret keeper, add them all, boom you have standard midrange cancer.
>>153319171
Science, mother fucker.
>>153319231
Call of the Wild is literally in the text next to the deck saying I'm about to add it in.
I'd play Yogg if I had it, but that's 1200 dust more than I have to spare.
Abusive Sergeant doesn't really work well when I can't keep a board half the time. It's midrange, not face.
>>153319508
Probably gonna go with this.
>play mage
>removal in bottom 15 of deck
>play shaman
>opponent has every answer to my cancer
>play hunter
>opponents play TONIGHT A TALE OF... BY FIRE BE PURGED
>play renounce warlock for shits and giggles against a friend
>renounce is in the bottom 3 cards of my deck
How am I supposed to stop being a shitter at this game when everyone seems so much luckier?
>>153319757
Start using stats in the hundreds not individual games
>>153319757
>How am I supposed to stop being a shitter at this game when everyone seems so much luckier?
you don't, wait for next month when you'll be luckier
just had like 5 straight games with renouncelock where both renounces were in the bottom half, 1 in 1000 bad luck
sometimes hearthstone just doesn't want you to play it
try again later
>>153299027
Godspeed anon.
>>153319136
>Blizzard removes emotes for causing toxicity
>grinding free wins with hunter cancer
>had lots of bad luck lately, every deck has every tool it needs to cuck me
>vs paladin, play a lot of nzoth paladin so I know this should be an easy win if I play it right
>he turns out to be running full heal reno nzoth deck and draws all his heals and board clears on the exact turns he needs them
>starts drawing all taunts afterwords, he's healed off like 40 damage at this point and I still had lethal setup if it wasnt for him dropping chillmaw after his infested tauren and tirion had already died
>probably had nzoth and knight in hand anyway
>new
>dust golds for almost complete zoo
>zip from 20 to 17 in 4 games
when does this deck stop being good?
>>153320930
Around rank 12-10 usually.
>>153320930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ju3I42jItw
>>153321003
>>153321008
cool, thanks
>You look at me
>I'm the Secret Paladin now
>>153318504
I use the emotes for those same reasons, some guy added me just to say I was BMing them. I blame the hearthstone streamers, anytime any emote comes from the opponent, or anything that's not optimal because god forbid you are doing something else while playing hearthstone is called BM.
I've seen a stream where the opponent was probably just thinking and adding up to make sure they had lethal, and it was "BM" because he had lethal but took too long, jesus christ.
another succesful reynad stream
>>153321495
I had an aggro shaman of all things bm, spamming greetings just because he inevitably had a lethal against me.
>>153292593
The funny thing is that shaman has literally always had these brutal finishers (it was even more brutal with crackle) but people have only started complaining about them now.
Blizz is just pretty much retarded, anyone could guess what would happen when they added that monstrous aggro package that leaves room for the old finishers.
They'd just run both. Face down to 15, burst down from hand. Gives the opponent no chance without OP bullshit of their own, or massive RNG. Even a 7/7 taunt is no obstacle, on a lethal turn i don't give a fuck about damage and can just face it down with my 8/2 doomhammer.
>>153293493
>Stealth your hero until next turn
Poor valeera needs this, every match has been like pic related recently. And rogue used to be my worst matchup.
>>153303935
This. That pic is like my resting face.
>>153292852
The main game has so much rng but at least you know 90% what to expect. Arena is just worse
>>153319140
post dick pls?
>>153293493
>about to die
>equip and play cycle cards
>next turn
>use blade flurry, cycle some more
>next turn
>do it all again since it's not a legendaryor play Reno
>>153323015
>turn after next
>play vanish and mill the fuck out of them after being immune for four turns with no board
Seems balanced
>>153310926
I can't even bother getting above 10 these days
>>153292145
Don't play for three days. Play a friend and watch and learn. nobidy is on. Help!
>>153312867
>Warriors fight for the board
ayy lmao
>>153314540
I use him in bloodlust shaman for the memes, but he's not spectacular. See >>153275346 for a moroes lethal. He's mainly good against classes that don't have "do 1 damage to everything" minions/spells, as a non-committal turn 3 when you're expecting a removal, or in the late game for a backup lethal after they've already blown their board clears.
>reynad misses a legendary inthe pack he opened because he was too busy with the thousand dollar donation he just got
Living the life
>Blizz will never buff evergreen cards, only print new cards and nerf existing ones
No idea why Blizz thought that destroying your curve for +1 Health, Taunt, and the Demon tribal on a Spider Tank was a good idea.
>>153324242
>already loaded and working in vidyagames
>get thousand dollar donations + spam small dollar donations constantly just because people want to talk to you
This is truly the dream
its time
>>153319136
I don't know what they took out sorry.
I legitimately feel bad a lot of wins, and want to apologize for the opponent. But all I get is "WOOOW" or "heh...greetings"
>>153324730
They can't pad the fuck out of expansions if they buff cards instead of replace them.
>>153324730
Buffing cards is a terrible idea and it's a good thing Blizzard doesn't do it.
>>153324730
It's my hope that if blizz doesn't get rid of the evergreen shit, eventually the next best thing happens which is that every card that is released is better than classic, so the game gets a chance to actually change from expansion to expansion.
>Can't into competitive metas
>Calls every tier 1 deck "cancer"
>Never been past rank 20
Never change /vg/. I'll stick to /r/competitivehearthstone
>>153327210
So long redditor trash.
>>153319140
I fucking KNEW hungry crab would become meta, WHY did i dust mine
>You're willing to give Blizzard your money and time but not your semen
???
Why you haven't fapped to Zeriyah yet anon?
>>153328563
couldn't find it on Google and didn't care enough to look harder
What in the wild world of sports is UP with Four-Channers outright obsession with the word "CuCk"!?! o_O
Its not EVEN like being cokewolded is necessarily particularly a bad thing ~ESPECIALLY~ if you are aWHITE MALE!!!!
>>153328563
It's not her and looks nothing like her now stop posting this shit
I just started playing today, but apparently there's some sort of "recruit a friend thing"? Did I miss out on being recruited, or do I still have a chance if I haven't played very much?
>300 gold down the drain
I've lost count of how many times I can't get decent spells as a mage or can't get my early game or hell, just decent cards in general.
>>153324756
>get paid beacoup bucks
>have to talk to twitch chat all day as a job
damn, reynad's life is like one of those button choices
>>153292773
I played otk warrior from 18 to 3 this season.
>>153330008
Robert Downey Jr. is hot and worth incorporating into said sexual fantasies.
>>153329694
More like 50 gold down the drain.
>>153292773
You can get to rank 5 with anything if you're not bad, I've gotten their with pirates, murlocs, priest decks, all sorts of garbage
>6 and 4 stars
>destroy opponent
>6 and 5 stars
>get destroyed
Hours of this shit christ, every time it's a perfect storm of shit
>>153332995
You'll get there anon
>>153333148
I already have the chest, I just want to go beyond this shit
This should be fun. I still have one in my deck as well.
>>153324756
What does reynard do btw?
>>153334434
plays vidya
>Kripp about to quit hearthstone
This game will probably be dead by next year
>>153334434
Started tempostorm or something, now he just streams and plays vidya
>vs rogue with full hand
>play thrillhouse on curve
>receive this
>win anyway
poor valeerathis deck is totally balanced, i swear
>>153335048
No, he won't. Whining about the game is his thing and as long as people it that shit up he will play this shitty game.
He's already dead inside and doesn't care for anything but viewer numbers.
>>153335048
Hope he's saved up those big streamer bucks, he doesn't get fuck all viewers playing anything but borestone.
>Arena is so fucked up with mages 24/7 on every round that Kripp is actually is considering becoming a permanent Shadowverse streamer
I never seen him so salty as today, he even started to delete people on his friend list and downright say things like "fuck you" "fuck this guy" "fuck this stupid ass game" "fuck ben brode"
>>153329569
just create a lot of dummy accounts with the link you get when you click on recruit a friend. Do it a few times to get the packs too.
Do you think streamers and pro players actually talk about the game when they hang out with eachother?
I think they all unanimously hate the game and would rather talk about anything else.
>>153335456
What's there to even talk about?
Combo decks are the most fun to play, this is a fact.
>>153314540
he's good for 400 dust
>>153335394
well arena is shit and he might as well go back to being a variety streamer, his followers will follow him unlike trump
>>153335456
the asians do, the rest just play poker
>>153335394
I want to see Kripp and Krippi going back to no life hardcore world first bros, those were the days man.
>>153335456
>>153335650
>I think they all unanimously hate the game and would rather talk about anything else.
Yeah I sincelery believe that's the case I have an anecdote about it.
I have a friend that works as a supervisor on a chocolate cookie company, he makes paperwork and gives instructions, meanwhile he smells delicious hot chocolate and fresh cookies all day 8 to 10 hours a day, every day.
He FUCKING HATES COOKIES AND CHOCOLATE like no other person I ever knew.
He can't stand them anymore, he always eats salty food or strong drinks, he just hates sweet shit and even icecream can make him puke at this point.
He loved them like any normal person before, but after 10 years on that job he hates sweet things.
Hearthstone is the same except the game actively tries to spit on you, and the devs too.
play a friend
yep
#1422
na
>>153336884
You have to put your name you can't just put the number
>>153337063
it's yep#1422
>>153337417
PUT
YOUR
NAME
FAGGOT
ASS
PUBIC HAIR
>>153335394
I think Karazhan killed the game, too many game ruiners. Common Portal in Arena is just bound to fuck you over at some point. Either you for getting a 3/3 Faceless or you for your opponent getting a Leeroy or something.
Barnes kills games once in awhile.
I can honestly after this week see Medivh kill some serious games. Like imagine a Blizzard into Emperor with a full hand and you pull off a 20 damage combo next turn after. Flamestrike into Rhonin into 3 missiles into 3 fireballs from Tony turn 10.
Then of course Yogg. Might be the end of the road.
I really hate to say this, Kripp, but I think it's honestly time for you to quit. You aren't happy anymore, your complaining has gotten worse, and it's altogether killing the mood of the stream. As much as it pains me to say, as I am a Hearthstone-only person, I think it's time you switched games, if just for a while. And maybe, just maybe blizzard will realize the balance of classes is completely off, and will do something about it. But for now, for your own benefit, you should go.
>>153337472
Hey dont act like you are me Im trying to bum 80 gold
>>153337516
>And maybe, just maybe blizzard will realize the balance of classes is completely off, and will do something about it
This is your first Blizzard game, isn't it?
>2016
>Still no new class expansion
They're missing out on easy fucking money. I mean $20 for maybe 20-25 cards + a new portrait and hero power? What are you doing Blizzard, that's easy profits.
>>153338491
They can't even make cards for the current classes, how the fuck are they going to make them for more?
>>153337472
kek
>>153337516
Blizz stupidly decided to make the endgame basically a sudden death mode. Just a race to see who can pull their OP rape machine first.
Then they even pushed it down a notch to 8 with call of the skill.
It makes me wonder if they're actively trying to turn the game into an aggro face-off where the first few turns are the only tight and competitive ones, and the end is just a snowballing rout into uncounterable finishers.
That's the saddest thing i've come to understand from playing face shaman. Almost every deck practically begs to get SMOrced. I can play around call of the wild by simply demolishing them before turn 8. I can play around yoggs, rags, whatever, and i can play around medivh too.
Face shaman is the only real counter to any of that shit. And that's sad.
>>153338491
they can't even balance 9 classes, they have no business adding more
>>153335048
>Kripp being salty as fuck as always
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD6G-5EUT7U
>>153337516
I agree with all you said.
Kara seems to mark the point of no return, a moment you can revist in the future and say "that's where it went downhill" like with Wrath.
As for Kripp I believe he should switch to either some old beloved game, or something relatively new like Shadowverse or Faeria.
On yesterday's shadowverse stream it was one of the first times I saw him enjoying himself and if you consider that the game is basically hearthstone WITHOUT THE RNG ALL OVER THE PLACE it talks a fucking lot about how fucked the game really is and how much more enjoyable it could be if Blizzard stopped the meme train of bad ideas.
>>153337516
He should just switch to faeria for good. He looked so happy when he played that game.
>>153335246
>he doesn't get fuck all viewers playing anything but borestone.
What? He got 25k viewers when he was playing Shadowverse.
I believe that's the catalyst that's making him jump the ship, he saw he can still hold a decent amount of viewers on another game that's not full of rng.
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>>153339103
>>153339113
>>153339265
>>153339335
>>153339410
add me please bestmageEU#2326
>>153338782
How did he play it on PC btw? Did he get an alpha PC version?
>>153339464
Bluestacks emu, the pc version is out on japan, it might take some months to be released on the US.
>>153338782
it always plummets, he used to only get 3-5k for diablo and poe
>>153339647
Did the devs really pay him to play it on an emulator?
>>153338782
Is shadowverse good?
>>153339825
It's basically an anime version of hearthstone without the rngyetand some new ideas.
>>153338782
Why not play duelyst or chronicle?
>>153339652
Well it did plummet from 30k to 25k.
But I believe so many people remained watching because the general feeling in the community is disgust and boredom regarding how fucked is arena and how tempo and rng oriented the ladder game is.
So people naturally stay when they see a game exactly like HS but without all these bad things.
>>153339706
Yeah.
>>153339889
I just started playing. I want to know how balanced the extra evolve is when going second compared to the coin. I noticed some minions get more value from evolving than others, and having an extra one and being able to do it a turn earlier could mean that some decks are just better if you go second.
>>153339652
That's because he started with D3 and grew into PoE. He would sometimes get close to 10k with PoE but usually hovered around 8k near the end before HS came out. I could easily see him maintaining 15k or so with Shadowverse, not that I could see him switching, but it's shaping up to be a nice game.
>>153339825
The balance and gameplay are legit good.
Titty priest class for example is basically priest without being boring, insufferable and actually GOOD at control versus tempo decks.
Aggro and tempo decks aren't overpowered and actually have bad matchups where you just can't go just face and expect to win.
Combo decks are really good but not based on solitaire play either and aren't out of control, they will lose if they fuck up their combo or are reckless early in the game.
Arena mode is absolutely based as fuck, really good.
They are bad things like some cards really fuck up over arena, but the devs listen and balance shit constantly.
Overall the game is good and really fresh but it's early to say if things will remain like that because there's only 400 cards.
Also the lore and tits all over the place can be cringy or off putting if you're not into that.
>>153340158
The extra tempo swing that the additional Evolve gives you can be indeed game changer, but mostly it's intended to give you a fair chance to fight for board control if you go second and get behind on tempo.
Like if you're losing sightly that extra evolve can give you a chance to not lose and stabilize, if you're winning you can secure the win right there, but if you're losing by a lot you're rarely going to win even with that extra evolve.
Is there an actual extra income or profit for Blizzard from having mage be the king class in arena?
I don't know how can you fuck up this bad or aim for this result without a clear concise objetive.
>>153340829
They simply don't give a shit, they do emotional balancing.
>winstreak from 14 to rank 8 in like 1 :30 hours
>have to reach rank 5 either today or tomorrow for 300 extra dust
uugghgh so much for enjoyable laddering
>>153340829
They don't know what they are doing and refuse to admit mistakes
>>153338552
fucking kek
Hi guys, after not playing for a while I am currently rank 13. What deck would you recommend to climb few more ranks for better monthly chest?
>>153341646
Whatever deck you were playing before
>>153337516
>I really hate to say this, Kripp, but I think it's honestly time for you to quit. You aren't happy anymore, your complaining has gotten worse, and it's altogether killing the mood of the stream. As much as it pains me to say, as I am a Hearthstone-only person, I think it's time you switched games, if just for a while. And maybe, just maybe blizzard will realize the balance of classes is completely off, and will do something about it. But for now, for your own benefit, you should go.
I just saw this being spammed in Kripp's chat. Did you take it from there or did you autists really started spamming his chat with this?
>>153341646
mid-range hunter, aggro shaman, zoolock
>>153341970
Is zoolock really still viable? I have not seen one in a while
>>153341810
Considering Kripp chat were spamming it and the way it reads, I'd bet it's from reddit.
>Make a meme deck to complete the play 5 or more cost minions quest
>I guess ill just play as many of them before I concede
>win 3 games in a row and get the quest done
Memes always prevail
>>153342046
Zoo is always decent, and at lower ranks it's even better.
>>153342046
It's still good, just not as good right now as it used to be pre-Karazhan.
It got worse because some other classes got better, but it also led to culling the population of warriors on the ladder, which helps zoo.
Anyone to spectate on EU or everyone fuck off to Legion? Daniel #2640
>>153339923
Both are probably too different for his viewerbase to transition into easily, and Duelyst is absolute shit for streaming because of its awful aesthetic and slow pace.
Chronicle's game concept is really interesting but the balance and general card design seems really iffy.
>>153339825
I think it's the most impressive competitor to come out. Less RNG, good balance, interesting cards, and the game's unique features are actually implemented very well. Aside from the REALLY bad English dub and being anime as hell it's actually a pretty stellar game, especially compared to how Hearthstone was at launch.
>>153342068
Why are the so many people just reposting reddit posts on 4chan?
>>153342918
same demography, but they come here to post "ironically"
>>153339936
Shadowverse has some "power plays" that I think seem really impressive to people used to Curvestone. The game has a lower stat curve on average but then Kripp plays a class like Havencraft who can activate a bunch of amulets to field a massive board all at once and people flip their shit.
I hope Kripp gets hit with the turn 2 8/8 on stream.
>>153343101
just searched for the game on steam, its not out yet. where does everyone play this?
The only reasons kripp retained so many of his viewers during shadowverse are titties and weebshit, that really appeal to his 14y/old audience
>>153343153
Bluestacks/Nox/MeMu/any other emulator
Or just straight up on phone.
>>153343192
The reason why he retains them doesn't matter so much as the fact that he does in the first place, thus giving him the option to play it over Hearthstone.
Any tips for beating the magic mirror on heroic, I dont have the cant attack cards and dont wanna waste 500 dust on them?
>>153343382
git gud
>>153343195
Oh so there's no PC version
>>153343382
should have done it when the abomination exploit was still working :^)
>>153343437
Not yet anyway. Some nip publisher has it for PC but it's japanese-only so most people are just waiting for steam.
>>153343382
I milled him with rogue, Tentacle of Nzoth works wonders
>>153343517
Okay I'll try rogue and read up on mill.
>>153343571
if you want, you can look for TimmyJ on youtube, he did guides for every heroic with budget or basic decks
they might be suboptimal but they work
Fellows, how can I improve this while still memeing? The winrate's not so bad but I feel like it needs a slightly lower curve. Considering removing Sylvanas, but now really sure what I'd put in instead.
>game is designed for casual play yet sold to competitive players
>class balance has never been good
>absolutely huge time or monetary investment required
>refusal to change digital products in favour of expansion padding reprints
>terrible implementation of a "standard" format
>zero arena balance
>zero matchmaking outside of constantly resetting ranks so new players have no hope
>card design and quality is bad with minimal thought/understanding of how they will be played which creates great in-balances
>littered with bugs and incorrect texts
>solo adventure content has done nothing but gotten simpler/easier
>using "standard" format as an excuse to not have to do any balance changes because they just let them rotate out eventually
What else is killing this game?
>cw ropes me every turn even though he lost
I mean, I alt tab to read shit on opponent's turn anyways, but why is this allowed?
>>153343937
cairne?
>>153344129
>that hand
>>153343101
Go to your own general please.
>>153338587
Wrath was the pinnacle of wow though. It introduced casual friendly mechanics like badge gear and dungeon finder, but everything started tumbling down in cata because it doubled on the casual mechanics(lol lfr), mists was "how far can we take this shit before we need to go full warhammer and reboot the universe" and warlods was "THRALL AND HIS MATES THE EXPANSION also please forget about old content"
Using your analogy, wrath was Naxxramas, game was the best it's ever been with cool combos and (after removing undertaker) viable control decks that didn't need to cheese out a 20/20 to win.
GvG was cata, introduction of RNG bullshit meta, occasionally fun but completely ending any "hardcore" gaming
The grand tournament and league of explorers was mists, every game was a complete RNG bullshit fiesta with new RNG cards on top of old RNG cards
Old Gods and to a lesser degree Karazhan was also "THRALL AND HIS MATES THE EXPANSION also please forget about old content"
>>153339936
I don't recall Kripp getting 30k at any point today, unless he get a big spike right after someone else ended. He's usually only at 15~25k, which is actually really bad considering we're in a set release month when normally hearthstone-related activity is at its peak.
>>153344734
he regularly gets 30k ive been watching Kripp from time to time
>just completed play a friend vs friend who had the quest
>game ends screen flashes quest complete 80 gold
>dont get the gold
has blizzard gone mega jew?
>>153344840
did you both have it? Cause only the quest of the one that challanges gets completed
>>153344873
no my friend had the quest
he challenged me
i killed him
the quest completed banner popped up showing play a friend, but i got no gold
it didnt even say you have earned the maximum gold or anything for playing friends, nothing
Is Frothing Berserker the uncontested 3-drop in the game?
>classic, so he's here to stay
>grows in disgusting proportion if left alone
>can't beat heroic magic mirror because of LE HAHA MAN and LE MIGHT OF DALARAN
Imagine if Blizzard decided to make the AI actually smarter in Heroic instead of jamming autolose conditions into their deck?
>>153345061
>can't even beat Kara heroics
boy you'd have fun with Naxx and BRM
>>153344974
Best 3drop is Fetal Sprites, throw in Labs Shock or Elemental Sentinel for the overlaid unlock and flametonnage for damage the turn after
>>153345109
I did heroic LoE for the cardback and decided Heroic was not for me from that point on
I'm happy with my staff now, not doing that again
>>153344974
did youbring some fish?
>>153344974
>>153345459
also Brann is a good candidate
>>153345352
You're missing out on a lot of fun
like a boss that autokills all your minions when his turn starts or a boss that summons 3 3/3s with charge on turn 1
>>153345532
>Brann
>3 drop
A lot of interesting OCif you understand frenchhttps://pinterest.com/KharjoIRL/
>tfw my menagerie hunter is undefeatedfrom rank 20 to 17 on the 2nd to last day of the season :^), playing primarily against even worse decks
>>153345623
That doesn't sound fun
That sounds like the opposite of fun
>>153345645
>3 mana 2/4 taunt that almost always wins you the game if left alone for a turn
He's not a "always play it on turn 3 if you have it" card but he can work as a desperation 3 drop especially against aggro.
Also anon said "uncontested". Uncontested brann on any turn wins you the game.
>>153345751
thats not what uncontested means in that sentence
>>153345751
I don't think he meant uncontested in that way anon
>>153345623
sounds like you're obliged to play aggro against it
Ihateto play aggro
>>153344710
>WAAAH
>WAAAH
>RNGRNGRNGRNG
You gotta stop being such a fucking baby d00d.
>>153345623
>tfw can only win when the boss does something really stupid
>>153345839
Hello Thrall.
>>153344710
>see this
>type out a 2000 character synopsis on how the game changed around the Woltk era
>realize no one will care anyways
tl;dr
Game is still good, just the old community is dead
I enjoyed it for the interaction, but now it's basically Diablo3.5 since spergs aren't forced to compromise with anyone and can just grind all day.
>>153346431
Streamlining the social aspects of MMOs is the biggest fuckup the genre has ever made.
Warlock is a fun class to design for
How much time has to pass before you can get gold from play a friend?
there is clearly a limit and a timer that isnt just day to day, it actually seems to be based on some amount of hours
>>153346635
>not even chillwind yeti stats
>deck yourself quicker
I'm certain the grand majority of the population will only see that as a drawback, especially if you don't have the luxury of being able to force a certain discard.
It'd be alright to pump the stats a bit.
I'd personally like to see a card that lets you choose what you discard, one that would remove the discard penalty altogether seems like a bit much though.
>>153346792
Whoops, somehow I read that as a "too" instead of "instead"
My second point still stands though.
what about Valeera?
is she shaved? bush? or being blonde and elven she naturally has very little hair and it creates a peach fuzz effect?
>>153346914
>caring about Valeera
>>153346914
She is definitely bush.
>>153346431
I didn't want to feel this feel
You're right, Anon
>>153347036
I like to think of it as the Terokkar Forest
>>153344710
LFR was not a bad addition
>>153346792
Made it a 3/5 to compare to things like Fandral, Auchenai, or Elise.
Didn't want to make it an Aura though because that felt weak without just making it ignore Discard.
Since it just shifts the Discard to deck I thought making it a Battlecry was acceptable, but not enough to make it a huge tempo swing of a 4/5.
>drawback, especially if you don't have the luxury of being able to force a certain discard.
Best you can do is Life Tap and maintain a big hand, but at least with the cards being pulled from deck the chance of hitting something singularly important is low.
>I'd personally like to see a card that lets you choose what you discard
I would too, but knowing how the game works currently and how little you can interact with the board aside from pulling cards out of your hand and aiming a cursor once I'm forced to design around what I know is possible.
>one that would remove the discard penalty altogether seems like a bit much though
I've thought about this before, and I believe a single-use Battlecry like Dragon Consort's would be appropriate. Pic related.
Is dragon priest still viable? Or would I have to add deathrattles?
>>153346431
>get into WoW in WoD
>get to level 100 in a month with an unholy dk
>grind some gold
>pay for some raid rushing
>get to max item level without having a single friend
What an mmo
>Only started playing since GvG
Am I a part of the cancer?
>>153344974
He's on the same level as Darkshire Councilman in terms of his consistency as a threat.
I did a quick look through a lot of the other 3-drops to see if there were any I was forgetting about that had potentially huge game impact came back with:
Flamewaker
Aldor Peacekeeper (different type of card but still a potentially huge swing if you neuter the 477)
Edwin (again, different as it requires other cards to explode but still just coin-VanCleef is a T2 4/4 which is stupid)
Imp Gang Boss
Darkshire Councilman
Ravaging Ghoul
Questing Adventurer
>>153347036
I don't see the bush honestly, with how vain elves are I totally see her having a fancy trim though.
>>153347851
>played a little during Naxx
>a little more during GvG
>drop it until TGT
>play nothing but combo druid and priest
Nah son.
>>153347851
i started with wotog
try to beat me in newness. i don't even have a legendary
>>153347486
Dragon Priest sucks because you don't have a finisher so yeah hybridizing with N'Zoth gives you a way to create a huge board late. Good news: Chillmaw fits both archetypes, and Shifting Shade gives you cards in hand which synergizes with Twilight Drake. (But then Chillmaw nukes half your board post-N'Zoth if you're still holding a dragon.) It's feasible, but probably still not good.
>>153347851
Nah I've only been around since TGT and I try hard to meme on people with Reno N'Zoth Paladin and Thistle Tea Rogue. It's not how long you've been with the game but whether you're still willing to have fun with it instead of netdecking to get a high rank every month like a douche.
I literally hit rank 5 for the first time this month, did it on like the 9th or 10th playing Yogg Hunter, then got bored and played Meme Rogue and, since Karazhan, Midrange Dragon Paladin all the way back to rank 12.
>>153306712
literary a race of junkys
>>153348258
You should have C'Thun. Uncraftables still count
Anyone with a play a friend quest? Post Battletag I can challenge you with my play a friend quest and we can both get 160 gold.Post proof first
>brann + shieldbearer now gives you access to a FREE 8/8
OCfags are cancer.
>>153348589
Why did you post this then?
>>153348589
HAHAHAHA LET'S PRINT A NEUTRAL THAT ONLY WARRIORS CAN USE HAHAHAHno
>>153348649
What is grim patron?
>>153348649
Mages technically get Armor too.
>>153348670
Technically any class can make use of Patron, notably Mage and Priest for their Hero Powers. Warrior's just the best one.
>>153348328
Blood elves had it hard
>enjoy lavish lifestyle
>high socitety life of debauchery and epic spells, bro
>sudden kingdom gets buttfucked
>prince takes everyone on a trip
>I ain't talking trail of tears type shit
>I ain't talking Bataan death march type shit
>this was, in one of the most literal senses, a case of out of the drying pan, into the fire
>because somewhere along the way, the idea that living in a PLANE FULL OF DEMONS was the most viable option
>>153348765
>out of the drying pan, into the fire
>>153348589
Not even that good of a card to be honest.
Sure, you can play it with Brann + A.Shieldbearer for turn 10 shenanigans, but that thing is dead as shit unless you have built up armor over several turns, and by that point you may as well play Elise if you want a card that breaks the Warrior vs Control matchup
>>153348649
You forgot Druid :^)
>>153348859
One day I will correct my awful typing habits I developed from constantly typing with one and a half hands
>>153348953
Yeah I hate typing while jerking off, too.
>typing with one and a half hands
You have my condolences
>>153349041
It's not like I actually lost anything.
I just bring my right hand barely down to the keyboard whenever I need to type something, I only use like two fingers on it.
>Queue into Grim Patron Warlock with Dragon Eggs and Spreading Madness
Absolute madman
>>153345661
>0 replies
Surprising
>>153349584
Here's your (Vous)
Kripp is seriously considering quitting arena it's become so bad. His last run was literally 70% mage, 20% rogue, 10% paladin, 0% other classes, and his only losses were due to going 2nd.
Why are Blizzard so incompetent? Do they actually hate Arena? Hearthstone literally prints money and they can't even get an intern to add a hidden "arena offer chance" for each card to balance shit like Firelands Portal?
It's just so sad what they're doing to the game.
>>153349825
arena was always for noobs who don't have good cards
TRUE hearthstone is clicking green cards in constructed
>>153349825
Arena drafting should be completely rebuilt at this stage, though certain classes would still dominate.
Not that I particularly care because arena is an utter shitshow these days. I'm actually enjoying constructed more and not because constructed suddenly got so much better.
>>153349825
>Kripp is seriously considering quitting arena
No, he isn't.
>>153350128
this
i mean he might dislike it but when you're pulling 20k+ viewers consistently you can bear with it
>>153350047
Arena drafting won't be ever reworked. Mostly because it would ruin their nice and tidy pick one of 3 cards and see your deck on the right screen. Just remember how much they fought against additional deck slots because it could have ruined the whole the design of the client.
>>153349584
don't care, I'm not the author. If I wanted /hsg/ to discuss it I would have made these in english
idk the composition of this board though, so if it can entertain anyone ...
Didn't tides quit hearthstone for dotard?
>priest vs naoth paladin
>he clears my board with pyro equality
>he has 3 cards left in hand
>"he probably won't have the second one so i'm safe"
>play my nzoth
>he clears it with the second pyro equality
>get his nzoth from shade
>play it
>he concedes
>>153350648
>rez preist v rez priest
>he starts off with barnes taht pulls a cairne
>plenty of shifting shades and bishops after that
>his shifting shades keep giving him my shfiting shades and bishops
I had to deal with like 6 fucking shades
With this month free dust I'll have enough to craft a legendary, I'm torn between Sylvanas and Thalnos, they're both used in a lot of decks, which one should I choose?
I play a little bit of everything.
>>153350786
Sylvanas is like stick it in everything that isn't combo or aggro.
Thalnos is key in several specific decks.
>>153350786
>do you like combo/spellshit?
Thalnos
>do you like big minions and having your shit entombed?
Sylvanas
Looking for someone to trade Play a friend! quest with (160g each), online atm. EU: BestMageEU#2304
>play midrange hunter
>draw all my 8 cost cards within the first 3 turns and get run over by tempo mage
>switch to aggro shaman
>queue into priest who gets a 10 health priest of the feast I have to waste burn on that'simmediately rez'd
>switch back to midrange hunter
>tempo mage yet again that has an answer for literally everything I do
:^)))))) nice game love it
I'm literally never going to reach rank fucking 5 fuck this game I've been stuck at 7 and 6 for fucking ever
>>153351301
Mulligan better
Hex
Know what variance is and learn to accept the shortcomings of each deck you play
>>153351234
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/BestMageEU%232304/
First one to help me with the spectate quest can enjoy 80 gold
Battler 21815 EU
>>153351426
someone should ban him
>The coin you get at the start of the game no longer behaves a a spell or a card being played
>That means no mana wyrm and flamewaker bullshit, also no combos
>Token coins from cards remain the same, able to be used as spells or combo enablers
Woult it be worse or better?
>>153351821
They didnt change it back when coin into scrubs was considered bullshit, they wont change it now
I stop playing Hearthstone whenever I hit rank 5 each month. Usually means a 1 week or so of no Hearthstone.
Between Duelyst, Faeria and Shadowverse which one should I pick up?
>>153351913
Pick up M:tG and just drop all your other hobbies.
>>153351913
shadowverse or ES:L
>>153351913
do you like aggro? faeria
I've tried resurrect Priest and it's actually pretty fun and decent.
I've always considered Priest as autism incarnate, a class based on annoying his opponent to death with steal and stalls with no win condition just for the sake of making the opponent waste 20 minutes, but this new resurrect stuff makes the deck more proactive, less autistic and you actually have tempo tools and a wincons.
Are Priest "mains" still complaining for whatever reason like they always do, like "Purify is bad :(" (While Priest of the Fiest and Onix Bishop are great cards) or "this does not feel like Priest at all, I want to make everyone waste 20 minutes and then lose", or "I'm pissed because Jamal made love with my wife and didn't even call me to watch"?
>>153352263
You know the one thing that ticks me off about the cuck meme?
The implication that any of the people involved would have girlfriends, let alone wives.
>>153352407
hey man you can't get cucked unless you have something to lose
>>153351913
Should play Pokemon senpai
>>153352407
>he doesn't believe that shit is real
I like to think of "bait" as posting by proxy.
Undoubtedly, there is someone out there that holds the opinion that was designed to grab (You)s.
And cuckolding was a thing way before 4chan, my friend.
>>153351913
Don't know much about faeria
Saw kripp streaming Shadowverse, it looks decent, but i can't picture myself playing it for more than 30 minutes in one sitting.it has waifus though
Played a lot of duelyst lately, it's fucking amazing.
- Actual board, not just two lines of minions next to each other
- Bold artstyle, looks really nice
- A lot more keywords because of the different board
- Better crafting
- Better quests
- Better arena
- No rng except for a couple of cards
- Monthly updates
- Expansion coming out soon
- Lore (if you're into that kind of stuff)
- Daily challenges where you have to solve a lethal puzzle
The only backdraw i can think of is the recently introduced crate bullshit, but it's not that big of a deal.
If you're into pixel art, here's a video for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHUdNbKvu5c
>lose to freeze mage as dragon warrior
feels fucking bad, I had to get rid of my armor gain to kill a thaurssian
>>153352530
How much of an investment would I have to make if I didn't want to unlock all the good shit by hand?
>>153352530
faeria is all of that and more because you actively shape the board as you play. It's also a lot more about being smart with using your resources because the "mana" carries over to the next turn.
If you like duelyst you gotta check it out
>>153351913
The pokemon TCG online is actually really good right now and as a free player you accumulate packs much faster than you do in Hearthstone and there are set rewards for frequent playing. If you want to pay2win you can buy pack codes online for like 20-50 cents each and there is in-game trading so stuff is always available. Also, the budget decks in that game are generally a blast. Literally check it out.
>>153352680
beeline towards enemy and hope you drew bigger guys
comebacks are literally impossible in faeria so if your opponent got better starting hand you just lose instantly
>>153352675
Before you get into ranked you can complete a series of challenges which gives you a shitton of gold and also helps you learn the game
You get 15 gold from two wins instead of 10 gold from 3 like in hearthstone.
You get two daily quests instead of one per day
First win of the day is +25 gold
Leveling up factions gives you packs
Arena rewards are pretty big too
The drop rate of rares, epics and legendaries is also higher
>>153352795
except thats not true. Like at all.
>b-b-b-but Dr. Boom will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Tunnel Trogg will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Yogg Saron will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Priest of the Feast will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Onyx Bishop will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Ivory Knight will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Babbling Book will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Prince Malchezaar will be shit!
when did you FINALLY decide to stop listening to /hsg/ about unreleased cards? this mother fucker will ABSOLUTELY flip the meta on its head in ways you can't imagine, just wait and see you shitters I'm claiming it now.
>>153352913
it doesn't have board clears at all
small early advantage will always snowball into a certain win
>Miracle Rogue vs Cucktrol Warrior
>Have an Auctioneer and Azure Dragon on board
>He thinks he's safe behind around 20 health and 20 armor and with a Tank Up hero power I'm almost convinced as well
>mfw spamming Eviscerates and Sinister Strikes and Cold Bloods to bring him down to one health instead of paying attention to any of his minions
>He tries to Brawl the board away and his Justicar survives
>mfw don't even need Cold Bloods to South Sea+Faceless him for lethal
explain to me how +4 armor gain a turn is remotely balanced
>>153352970
>b-b-b-but Purify will be shit!
>>153352970
GOAT arena card
won't exist in constructed though.
>>153353041
no need to go on /hsg/ to notice that purify is shit, it's common knowledge, even blizzard recognized that
>>153352978
>it doesn't have board clears at all
So? It has a few removal options but board clears are much less crucial because of the way the board actually plays. Never mind the fact that more cards are always coming it is by far much less snowbally than hearthstone and gives a lot more options for counterplay
>>153352970
If you think this card has any possibility to be good this literally has to be your first fucking card game
>>153353041
Purify was recognized universally as shit
>>153353171
t. shitter
just wait and see.
>>153350770
His echoes are eternal affter all m8
>>153352970
>worse than chillwind yeti on curve
>adds a rend blackhand and nat the darkfisher to your deck
The only upside I see to him is you not fatiguing as soon against control decks, otherwise the current legend pool isn't very good for shuffling random ones into your deck.
>>153352970
why would you want 5 random legendaries when you can just run good ones only? how often do people actually play to fatigue when games are over by turn 10?
>>153353167
gain advantage early -> you start getting more mana than the opponent -> your advantage increases no matter what -> you win
it's the second worst (after es:l) out of all the ccg/tcgs i've played
>>153352970
I can't wait to obliterate shitters like you with my aggro shaman while you sit on your ass with a pagle, cho and pit fighter in your hand.
>>153352909
>>153352675
Also crafting is much better.
Disenchant values for commons/rares are much better
Epics require 350 dust (spirit in duelyst)
Legendaries need 900
So the ratio between them is much better than in hearthstone.
Been playing for two months now and i have everything i need.
>>153352970
He might be good if he could add duplicates or legendaries from other classes, but NOPE
>>153353334
if you bee line directly towards the opponent you're not getting to the faeria wells.
Let me guess, you lost a game to yellow rush and quit immediately, didnt you?
>>153353372
>he thinks I won't have an answer to his aggroshittery somewhere in my 5 free legendaries
aggroshitter pls stop you're embarrassing yourself
ill get my new pc tomorrow ill go back to overwatch. ill miss u guys
wait
>reno
>shaman in general
>yogg
>barnes
yeah i wont fuck hearthstone unbalanced pay to win shit
>>153353248
>on curve
Who cares about playing it on curve, you get the extra cards automatically.
>>153352970
Is this your first TCG?
>>153353415
if only you could beeline towards the well they went for
rly makes u think
game is shit since they doubled land generation
>>153353402
Here's the real question.
Can I show how bad I am with money by goldening my entire deck?
>>153353516
There are "platinum" cards which have a fancy glow to them, but nothing special like the golden animations, since the cards already move in their normal state.
>>153352970
Nobody thought Boom was going to be shit, they just didn't think it would be as meta centralizing as it was. Additionally nobody thought Feast would be bad and like literally only Kripp questioned Bishop.
>>153353474
>draw a memstorm on turn 8
>draw a ragnaros on turn 2
Also, if you don't want to give away that you're rank 15, you should avoid saying things like "who cares about playing it on curve"
>>153353613
>>153353516
Not platinum, prismatic. But you get the picture.
>>153352970
Can you post your current rank please?
>>153343101
Why do all other card games look like pure shit compared to Hearthstone? Why can't more people into simple but good looking interfaces? Was there really a need for those high rez textures that make your eyes bleed?
>fucking faggot playing a reno mill deck with multiple duplicates not only draws reno early, but draws him when there are only singlets in the deck despite him running two ofs of eviscerate, gang up, and coldlight oracle
YOU FUCKING FAGGOT FUCK THIS SHIT, I KEEP LOSING TO THESE STUPID BULLSHIT DECKS THAT HAPPEN TO DRAW WELL
Is this dick overkill? What to improve before I waste my dust on crafting Chillmaw and Rag again?
>>153352970
I don't see the reason to use this card in constructed except for new players who want to play some control/top-heavy decks and don't have the expensive cards yet.
>>153344129
>4 shield slams
How?
>>153353846
Remove Cabals, add Blademasters.
>vs pally
>doomsayer
>barnes (summons doomsayer)
>topdecks another doomsayer
Three fucking turns in a row of not being able to play minions.
>>153353846
cut ressurect if ur gonna play dragon priest, most of your cards are battlecry
>>153353414
No duplicates does actually have the upside of never fucking up Reno.
>>153354089
>35 card Reno decks
Looks like playing control in wild is going to be a bit more frustrating.
>>153353515
By the time you're there they already harvested twice and have 2 special lands to deal with your neutral only stuff and are probably expanding into the other way now.
>>153354001
>can't kill a 1/1 doomsayer
bruh
>>153350047
>Arena drafting should be completely rebuilt at this stage, though certain classes would still dominate.
How about you draft 40-45 cards at the start of your run and between every game you have a choice to make a deck out of those 40-45 cards.
While those who draft better cards will still have an advantage, you could limit the negative effect of a bad draft. Obviously the worst case scenario wouldn't change much. That would require Blizzard to actually working and fix the awful RNG. How they though that someone getting 3 Dr7 in one run while another person getting barely any epics is fair is beyond me.
Also regular construct limits might help. No, a mage having 3 or more Flamestrikes or Firelands Portals is not okay, not at all.
Malchezzar will get played in Golden Monkey decks. He basically gives you 5 of your golden monkey legendaries up front without making you spend any of your actual deck's cards, and if you get shit legendaries you can just reroll them with the monkey afterward.
Since he's also basically the equivalent of having casted 2 Gang Ups at the start of the match, they'll be able to draw cards way more liberally as well.
>he isn't putting Malchezzar in his Reno decks
wow it's like you hate value or something.
>>153352970
>b-b-b-but Dr. Boom will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Tunnel Trogg will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Yogg Saron will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Priest of the Feast will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Onyx Bishop will be shit!
>b-b-b-but Babbling Book will be shit!
Said no one ever.
>b-b-b-but Ivory Knight will be shit!
Said only by few people.
>b-b-b-but Prince Malchezaar will be shit!
Because is will be shit.
>>153354079
I want dragon priest but fear that the new Barnes meme is getting popular, should I just go full dragon with Blackwing minions and Nefarian instead?
>install shadowverse
>open the free packs
>2 copies of saber
well, i guess it's pretty clear what netdeck I should aim for...
>>153354669
why are you lying?
>>153354492
Except, you know, he makes it harder to draw Elise, then he makes it harder to draw mape and then harder to draw monkey.
Sure, I'm on for that. It's not like Monkey loves to hug the bottom of my deck most of the times. Needing 5 more turns to get him will certainly give me more value out of him.
>>153353448
Why don't you put the answer to aggro in your deck in the first place? Why wait and hope to get lucky with the 1 in 74 when you can just put it in?
Have fun with Memehouse sitting in your hand against a mage with +6 cards in his hand.
What are /hsg/'s thoughts on divine aggrodin?
guys I finally net decked and I'm climbing like mad
why didn't you guys tell me it was this easy
>>153355073
>tales from rank 20
>>153354878
>trying to rush Monkey instead of just saving it to cash in matchup-unnecessary cards for value
>>153355116
More accurately 'tales from rank 10' now senpai
I literally played like 1 game that wasn't about grinding to rank 5 this month, sigh
>>153354721
The first group is accurate.
Anyone who said Dr. Boom would be shit either didn't know Boom Bots deal 1-4 damage or are completely mentally disabled.
Anyone who didn't know summoning a 1/3 on turn one then dropping golem on turn 2 or using any removal to contest their 1-2 drop while buffing your 1 drop is retarded.
There will always be people who think that RNG = bad, so there were a few people who thought Yogg would only be in jank decks.
I don't remember many people saying Priest or Bishop would be bad, and if they did they were probably ignored.
Babbling Book is just a reworked beetle, and that card sees a good amount of play.
The problem is, someone sees a few posts of some dumbass whining and suddenly thinks that one anonymous poster holds the same opinion as the entire board.
>>153355127
Most games you win or lose long before you draw Golden Monkey. Making it even less likely to draw him certainly isn't going to make the card more useful.
Obviously there are situations where Malwhatever ends up rng-ing in your favor, but I don't relying on some pure rng that can't even give my a second Rag, Sylvanas or Tirion.
>>153355073
Hearthstone isn't a skill-based game, it's a p2w game where you just build the best deck and don't be a retard and play a lot and you climb.
Anyone who takes the game seriously is a fool. It's a fun pastime on the side though. Good way to pass the time at work when waiting for something, too.
>>153355289
yeah... sounds like your average player
So is the new res priest strong or not? What's my best chance to climb with a priest meta deck?
>>153292773
Evolve Shaman
Just so much fun
>>153355846
>climb
>with a priest deck
>with a priest meta deck
>>153355846
Good draw, it good.
Bad draw it's concede Priest.
You know how some classes can kinda stall the game to get the cards they need, well, resurrect priest can't because he relies on an early game combo that isn't strong at all later in the game.
>>153293493
Jesus that would make rogue even more frustrating
>>153292562
8 mana do nothing
Should be like 3 mana. Rerolling one turn's RNG effects is not worth that much.
>>153353452
>ha guys, look at me, i'm not jerking off blizzards dick anymore, cause i will go back to sucking it!
Nice move.
>>153353452
>>153353452
>pay to win shit
>buys overwatch
if you are willing to spend your money on trash you cant complain about p2w
>>153312867
3/4 Warrior decks on ladder right now are aggro or combo
What should I do??
>>153356843
mage you drooling retard
>>153355846
What is the priest meta deck?
>>153356843
Want to have fun? Druid
Want to get wins? Rogue
>>153357000
The dumb Barnes meme. I want to play Dragon Priest but I know I'll just drop ranks
>>153318868
Secretkeeper, I tried it when huntress first came out. It's awful.
Just started playing, what do I spend my gold on: Packs, the arena, or adventures?
from rank 7 to rank 10. will i have time to get to 5? NO DECK IS WORKING
>>153357301
Classic packs > adventures >watch videos about arena and do arena trying to win at least 4 games.
>>153357404
try zoo. just wog zoo. it wrecks all these meme decks
>>153355116
I just got legend with Sjow's dragon warrior
easy fucking game
>>153352970
Malchezaar is the hero Control Priest needs. A chance to get plenty of extra endgame in a deck that usually needs most of its deck space dedicated to clear combos and which never has room for more than Sylvanas and Entombs.
You can chuck him face-first into a Res Priest list and suddenly have tons more reach than before without sacrificing much.
>>153356843
Mage is the greatest. Ask Kripp.
>>153357564
Enjoy drawing millhouse and pagle instead of auchenai circle faggot.
>>153357753
>le Millhouse and Pagle power meme
>deliberately not considering the dozens of other legendaries that you could pull
I get that you don't like the card but there's no reason to be a salty memelord
>get opponent to lethal
>he plays reno
>eventually lose to anyfin
want to fucking kill myself tbqh
>>153357836
hes right though
why add 5 random legendaries instead of just running the ones you want
>>153357836
Only reason you'd need more legendaries is for control matchups, hich priest dominates anyway.
Drawing big guys won't help if you don't draw board clears and removal.
>>153357404
Are you me?
>>153346635
>>153346792
>4 mana 3/5
>BATTLECRY: FOR THE REST OF THE GAME WHENEVER YOU WOULD DISCARD A CARD YOU DONT
>You still get discard synergy
Don't listen to the sperrg asking for it to be a 4/5
Warlock is such a boring class
No fucking new decks, since forever
>>153358518
We need more demons and demon synergy.
Also expensive spells so Cho'gall can fuck shit up.
>>153358518
There is a deck called zoo
>about to beat the final boss for rank 5
>FUCKING RENO HUNTER THAT ACTUALLY GETS TO WORK
F U C K Y O U I KEEP FUCKING LOSING TO THESE FUCKING MEME RENO DECKS THAT DRAW HIM SUPER FUCKING EARLY WHILE I GET TO GO FUCK MYSELF WHEN I PLAY RENOLOCK AND HE'S CONSISTENTLY MY LAST 5 CARDS
>>153358596
>zoo
>new
>>153358108
Priest could genuinely use the extra value. The problem is that Priest also needs to be able to combo cards to not suck complete ass. The mulligan issue is kind of a big deal here though. If it's true that the cards are only added after mulligan it might actually see play, since Priest usually tries to mull directly into their early combos rather than naturally topdeck them during the game.
For Priest it'd be kinda like running Thoughtsteals without actually needing to run Thoughsteals, but at the cost of making your topdecks somewhat worse.
>>153354669
I thought:
Tunnel trogg to be shit
priest of the feast to be shit
babbling book to be shit
ivory knight to be super shit
>>153352970
This post has to be bait. This card is literally "At the start of the game make your deck less consistent". The random Legendaries are a downside for the supposed upside of having 5 extra cards in your deck. Compared to Elise it's garbage. Would only ever be played in a meta where Control and Fatigue are like >50% of ladder.
>>153357461
When should I pick up the other 2 packs then?
>>153358738
>For Priest it'd be kinda like running Thoughtsteals without actually needing to run Thoughsteals, but at the cost of making your topdecks somewhat worse.
This proved to me that you are unironically a retard. Please start using a trip so I can filter you.
>>153358986
When you bought at least 40 classic packs.
And do the hidden quests http://hearthstone.blizzpro.com/2013/10/22/hidden-hearthstone-quest-list/
>>153358876
Because you're shit. Thinking Trogg would be shit is like thinking Mana Wyrm would be shit.
Priest of the Feast is certainly not a card that we all hoped for since priest is still missing any 1 or 2 drop that is worth playing, but with the insane amount of spells every Priest deck runs, it was easy to see that it would find a place.
For babbling book you probably weren't informed right and thought it coudl bring you any spell instead of just mage spells, which would indeed be shit because it would dilute the pool of spells with useless shit like Shield Slam or some of the totem shit. But since it gives you only mage spells, non of them are bad except maybe Shatter which could be good in some situations but most not. However, it's normal to think hat it wouldn't be this popular.
After all mage already runs 2 wyrm, 2 arcane missiles, 2 Mirror Images so the 1 drop slot is pretty full.
Ivory Knight wouldn't be good if not for Anything. Also even the secrets which heal only 1 hp with it can be useful so I don't see how people thought it would be shit. Not good? Okay, I can see that, but certainly not shit.
>>153358986
Buy classic packs when you get at least one good deck.
Zoo is cheap and good.
>blade flurry gets gutted to shit because "muh limited design space"
>only weapon rogue gets is a shitty 3/2 that requires you to play a 3 mana 3/2 and THEN EQUIP IT FOR 3 MORE MANA
>everybody talking about priest meanwhile rogue is still in the fucking shitter
>still no heal even though rogues thematically have heals in wow
>still no good clear
>still no real theme going besides stealing and deathrattles
fuck you blizzard
buff rogue
Fresh OC ;)
>>153359192
Rogue has N'Zoth deck, which isn't half bad.
>>153358738
ur right, priests usually dont have a win condition on their own but isn't entomb basically enough
>>153359240
>placing it right above Savannah lion on curve
Get out.
>>153359240
>massively overpowered battlecry with perfectly fine stats
good job
you're on your way to becoming a great oc creator
>>153359240
>hunturds could LITERALLY curve highmane (coin) -> highmane -> this -> cotw -> cotw
>>153359432
>>153359435
>>153359364
Holy shit, is /hsg/ actually this retarded? Compare it to Princess Huhuran and its fucking awful. Please consider suicide all of you.
please god I'm so fucking close
>>153359308
Yes but what did they get with Kara?
They weren't in a good spot pre Kara and they aren't in a good spot now. Everybody is talking about priest, about how it sucks that they get purify, how much help they need but everybody forgets Rogue has been priest tier for a while now and they get fucking deadly fork and similar garbage. Swashburglar is nice but not nearly enough.
>>153359539
Nevermind, I just realized it was probably anon same fagging. Kill yourself.
>>153359909
swashburgler is basically staple
>>153359539
No where in my comment did I say it was good.
I'm just saying it's clear to see that it was designed with something in mind.
Which you should never ever do.
Ever.
>>153357481
i didnt think zoo was a good look right now? trying midrange shaman now almost back to rank 8
http://www.strawpoll.me/11115793
Just finished the tutorial, opened the 18 packs you get from it and got 5 things that made a lot of noise so im guessing they are legendaries. Lucifer (i understand you get a free one anyway?), pluto, Aurelia regal something, Sea Queen otohime and Mythril Golem.
Should i start playing this shadowverse thing for real?
>>153360106
Which post was yours? I think the second two might be meming but the first one seems serious.
>>153360269
i went 6-0 with it last night. around rank 11. seems p. good to me
post evolve shaman lists
Hunter sucks the fun out of the game.
How is call of the wild any different than force of nature + savage roar?
Same shit no counters and for some reason it would seam the hunter always has it on turn 8 and 9.
Not to mention that the hunter cards are brain dead DO X DAMAGE and you cant possibly avoid them lowering you to lethal unless they have some amazing bad draws.
A BOT would reach legend with a hunter deck.
>>153359192
Rogue has Miracle variants, N'zoth, and C'thun decks to play with. I kinda wish they'd print stronger bounce synergies or stronger weapon synergy so that Tempo and Pirate Rogue could be better, though.
>Have a 6/5, a 5/5, and a 5/5 on the board
>Opponent has an Acolyte of Pain
>Brawls
>Acolyte wins
>He now has Brann on board
>Get spell damage
>Use lightning storm
>Brann lives
>>153360561
broken
>>153360592
>>153360592
Your first mistake was assuming you're a foe of equal caliber... ...heh,
*tanks up respectfully*
should I reactivate my WoW sub for Legion?
>>153360846
Do you like Blizzard cock in and around your mouth?
>>153360846
If you play WoW you might as well just end it, im serious. You might s well just hang yourself and cut to the chase.
>>153360846
>paying for the WoD 2 trap
yea you can go ahead
>5th fucking hunter game in a row
what deck kills the hunter?
>>153361034
DELETE THIS
>>153360561
Really?
What are some commonly incorrect ways people play Token Druid in ? I put together the deck yesterday and im losing too often for a deck that's this good.
what the fuck is this shit?
>>153361750
There are two common mistakes a lot of druid beginners make:
1. They don't draw wild growth.
2. They don't draw innervate.
>>153361758
lol you DE an adventure common for 10 dust
More fresh OC ;)
>>153361750
Don't just throw your fandral out on the board without abusing his ability to make the game solitaire at least once
Also get a great curve every game against aggro, that's the most important thing
what are /hsg/'s thoughts on reynad's tempo rogue deck? i don't have the legos for it so I put in ass blades but in all honesty, they've been overperforming if anything.
>>153361958
you know that valet isn't available yet until spire, which isn't released yet, right?
>>153362006
i want to rub that belly
rate?
>>153362006
Your post is so shit that my toilet clogged
>>153361758
Been like this since before the menagerie opened, i think. Don't know what happens if you craft it.
>>153361939
>>153362058
I do draw these cards since im skilled, but oftentimes i feel like i can't do anything the whole game. Like I would be able to ramp up with nourish, and then i have two cards or so in my hand and just die against every deck. I don't just throw out fandral without being able to combo at least one card with him.
>>153362061
it's trash much like Reynad
>>153362236
would be nice if some whale on /hsg/ could test it, i don't want to waste 80 dust.
>>153361750
playing a 3/2 panther and other general tempo plays against control
>>153362287
why is it trash? i mean, do you have any actual reasons or are you just meme'ing?
>>153362342
>>153362482
try it and see for yourself my man
>>153362094
10 mana gain 30 armor
B A L A N C E D
A
L
A
N
C
E
D
There we go. byebye dust. Make me proud Thalnos.
>>153362621
okay so you're just meme'ing it up, good to know.
>>153362061
Fun deck, often reliable, but gets squished against by more commonly seen (and better) aggressive decks
>>153362094
>equip this
>use a couple spells/minions to give it some attack
>automatic win condition.
this is retarded
>>153362574
Interesting.
>>153362698
>being this upset that your netdeck is trash
come on dude
>>153362767
also just straight up breaks the game if its just a colectable, by way of malkorok
>>153362094
>museum intensifies
>>153362342
>80 dust = whale
lmao
>>153362685
prolly worst leggo in the game desu senpai
>>153362795
Can you take it onto ladder?
>>153363062
Sadly not, I get the same message after closing the crafting screen.
>>153363062
He's memeing you, you can craft it but after you do so you get the error message
>>153362934
Play indiana cojones
draw 30 cards
die
>>153362094
>>153362842
>your deck is trash lol
>why is it trash? can you give any specific reasons, or actual constructive criticism?
>it's trash 'cause it's trash lol umaddoe? :^)
and that's why this general is garbage, good job man. bravo. here's your (you).
I mean at least this guy tried: >>153362717 . you're just meme'ing though, just like I said.
please let me know if this is good
>>153363463
very overpowered!
153363463
Not even worth the (You).
>>153306712
Manface
Mancrotch
>>153363056
>worst leggo in the game
>Thalnos
>>153363790
>1/1
Every time I play Barnes and get a 1/1 king's elekk :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ-h05YaE4o
@153363845
>(you)
>>153363845
>it's not muh 8 mana so it's bad
>>153363845
Its pretty good since its effectively + 1 spell damage loothoarder for only 1 less attack.
its virtually essential for rogue decks now to have it or kobold.
>>153363845
>it's not a big useless overstatted dragon with a battlecry and obnoxious entrance music so it's a worthless card
timmy pls
>>153364006
thats pretty much spot on for any transform a friendly effect.
Who wants 80 gold des~
>>153364365
DryBread#2141 , NA.
>>153364365
ryobi#1111 if you're on na
>>153364365
added on australian server
Finaly got rank 5 for the first time senpaitachi
fun decks from now on, truly an unparalleled joy i feel right now
>>153364473
Why not go for legend now?
>>153364365
D4C#21657 EU
>>153364558
>>153364558
>>153364558
new bread move whenever
>>153364547
im a fag and get stressed out playing ladder, and dont enjoy playing netdecks as much as playing my homebrews, also the reward doesnt get better after 5
>>153364705
but you get a golden cardback... and another golden rare that you'll probably never use.
How long until balanced dragons rotate out?
>>153364365
Probably that autistic bestmageeu guy I guess
>>153363845
t. Timmy
>>153359192
The only thing about rogue I dont get is why Warriors have the better pirates, and priests are better at stealing shit