/4ccg/ - /h/ Edition

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>>153172673
KAIHOU

I want to protect that smile

https://epicmafia.com/game/5371489
2more2ever

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>>153172673
Attention, citizens of (non-management) 97th world, friendly reminder to show your support for /tsab/ in the upcoming soccer event.
That's all

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>/h/ edition

It's been a week
remove summer banner off wiki pls thks

>>153173098
1more1ever

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!!

>>153173935
When will mekimeki draw a cute full on yuri dojinshi with those two already?

Where are the updated rankings?

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>>153174097
i want it so bad

>>153173376
>not the Discord mashup

>>153175258
Nowhere because the cup is dead.

>>153173935
why is toki such an asshole

>>153176424
Ghosts can do whatever the hell they want.

>>153175902
Wait
Can you link me

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>>153176424
don't say that!

>>153176798
Sure fám
shit's fire tho
https://my.mixtape.moe/oedvfx.mp3
wew the url is almost vedfx

>>153176171
It's just entering some numbers in a spreadsheet

>tfw playing PES

>>153178881
because it loops

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>page 10

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This girl proposes an interesting question.

>>153182351
Dick is lewder

>>153182775
wtf niggah

>>153182775
>not posting the scarfless version
when you're going out at least go big

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i would post devilman since the ponyfag is here, but i'm gonna be a good boy and post nothing offtopic :*)

>>153185463
naw it's okay, that way they bump the thread while it's in sleepy mode.

>>153182775
>>153185016
If this won't be deleted in 30 minutes, i'll dump first chapter of a good manga

>>153186037
okay I'm deleting it now

>>153186096
cool, i really didn't want to download 30~ images off by one

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>>153186293
yeah I hope only one image is enough, I can't delete the other one anymore

>>153186402
well, you gotta hope the jannies will come :^)

Fuck you hotpockets.

>>153186752
he's busy counting his salary, give him a break.

>>153186752
>enforcing GR15 is somehow a bad thing

>>153186996
>>153182775 is still up and >>153181618 was for way too long.

>>153187135
Mods are monumental faggots. What else is new.

Do you guys like FKMT ?

>>153186996
GR15 is a product of SJW-lite whining over a trite, trivial topic, so by correlation, yes, it's a bad thing

>>153187423
A trite, trivial topic that has its own containment board, and should stay there.

>>153187579
Your point becomes irrelevant when one takes into consideration that every topic on 4chan has its own containment board.
You couldn't possibly think of a more ridiculous, pointless rule than GR15 if you tried. There's real problems on the site like /v/ and /b/ but the mods have to dedicate their manpower to laughable bullshit like cartoon ponies.

>>153182351
cock is lewder

>>153187813
how many more angry replies do you want from posting ponies in here of all places, of all times?
do you still need more attention than you are allready getting?

We should delete the global cup rule 1 since is not enforced.

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>>153188143
Maybe the solution is for you to buckle up your big boy pants and deal with it.

>>153187294
I HATE IT

>>153188432
I am dealing with the fact that you have literally nothing else to discuss, yes. I have been dealing with that eversince you got your first star.

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#deletevee

>>153188578
HE HATES IT

>>153188610
>you
And stop assuming that everyone not with you is against you, faggot.

>>153188432
Worst attempt at justifying posting shit against the rules in quite some time.

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>>153188709
HE WILL LOVE IT
It's not exactly 30 minutes right now, please don't rape my face

>>153188868
>pretending you or anyone cares about the rules

>>153188610
>you have literally nothing else to discuss
The season is ending, so they wont even have the show their whole board was suppose to contain

So start ignoring him and stave them of attention.

>>153188671
That would be hot if it was actually a girl and not some trap

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>>153189027

>>153189038
I care about the rules when it's convienient to me :^)

>literally so salty that /mlp/ voted themselves in the Auties that you have to redo the entire vote so they wouldn't win
TOP KEK

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>>153188868
here's the real rules
BAD:
>things I don't like
ALLOWED:
>things I like
everyone follows this, including the hotpockets, don't kid yourself

>>153189107
even less of a reason to spread it on other boards then.
To think that they would be so fucking desperate.

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>>153189226

>>153189248
Hope that you realize that this poll was spammed on /r/mlp and other horsefucker websites

>>153189248
>le 3-day-vacation subreddit squad gets pissy over losing their nonexistant medals
lol deal with it, nerd.

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>>153189497

&153189497
russianroosteraskingforproof.jpg

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>>153189497

Nobody wants this. Stop

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>>153189706

>>153189736
>>153189846
hold on

>>153189897
but they were shitposting so I will shitpost even harder to prove the point that I'm the real autist??? :>

>>153189497
No, it wasn't.

But it's fun that you spastics make up stories for each other and then are stupid enough to believe them.

>I know it must be true, I read it in the /4ccg/

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>>153190265
>n-nightly export!
debunked
>p-pmb cheated!
debunked
>illegal player changes!
debunked

loving every laugh

Maf when?

>>153190265
Why should we believe YOU, then?

>>153190265
well thank god that you are monitoring every move of each and every single one of your fanatic fans.
glad you could confirm for me that there was no border crossing towards reddit going on then.

>I know it must be false, I read it in the /4ccg/

>>153190521
nightly export was proven and BGP threw a fit about it

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>>153190265
I'm going to look it up on the archives m8, and considering the fact that /mlp/ is the board who brings up the cup on reddit, this isn't hard to believe.

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>>153190761

I like to have arguments with myself as well

The funnies part about the accusations of cheating were BGP sperging over and acting like they did cheat.

>>153190692
Okay, go find me one single mention of the auties poll on reddit, Horse News, wherever. I'll wait here for you.

>>153189497

Wow, thank god we have you, our resident /r/mlp poster, to find out and report this shit to /4ccg/.

>>153190761
BGP fell for the meme too

>>153192209
Why would the manager of /mlp/ believe the mananger of /mlp/ cheats for no reason?

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>>153192308
u wot

>>153191463
Because they pretty much did. The /asp/ pre match changes were a loophole at best thanks to the rules being a horribly written pile of shit (so you know, thank /rules/ for wasting the commish's time and being conservative faggots when he could have been rewriting the rules). Heck, even Lear called their changes "slimy and retarded".

>>153192308
The neat thing about /4ccg/ is that we have literal autists like you, who can't recognize even the most blatant sarcasm.

I'm sure it's tough to live like that, but at least your anime bodypillow doesn't give off any of those confusing human social cues, eh?

Since when is "I didn't cheat" proof of cheating?

>we very well could not have enough teams for a 32 team Autumn
thanks a lot /mlp/

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>>153192591
>Lear is the one who formed /rules/ and asked managers to help with it
>but it was they who were wasting his time, not the other way around
Right...

>>153192591
Lear is the stupidest person involved with the 4cc and should never be listened to. Also, I like how you omitted the fact that the whole thread shat on him when he said that and even proved that he has no clue what he was talking about and what /mlp/ did was fine.

>>153190525
https://epicmafia.com/game/5372102

maf

>>153192878
Lear let /rules/ have the final say. He didn't trump everything they said.

Since when is "They cheated" proof of cheating?

>>153193034
Fuck off.

>>153192842
Why are you being so defensive, huh, huh? YOU WOULDN'T BE SAYING THAT IF YOU DIDN'T CHEAT YOU SHITLORD!!!!

>>153192878
So? That doesn't change the fact that the managers who actually participated in rules are faggots. They knew nerfing golds worked but voted not to because they're retarded and their thought process literally was"WAHHHH WAHHHH MUH GOLDS HAVE TO BE LITERAL UNBEATABLE GODS". Similarly, anything other than GGSS medals was unfeasable because, again, /rules/ are conservative idiots.

>>153193034
5more5ever

>>153192939
>the whole thread shat on him when he said that
lmao, take off your reality distortion glasses m8

>>153193413
I hope this means we're having another open house rules discussion before Autumn. Then again, that changed literally fucking nothing the last time.

>it's another /rules/ goes at each others' throats as anons episode

>>153193413
I don't remember this but then again I wasn't really involved with /rules/ until about three days before deadline.

>>153189736
>>153189846
>>153190265
>>153191732
>>153191821
After searching poll and auties in /mlp/ archives, and on reddit, i haven't found anything suspicious, only couple of links to the auties in their shit generals in /mlp/ so i apologize about saying that /mlp/ spammed this poll in their websites.

>>153193413
To be fair, everyone was retarded around that time. I mean, let's not discount "these rules are shit lmao" Lear after the /ag/L had done all the work, AND "BOOO HOOO why am I not in rules wait what is double pivot" Normlperson.
It was a beautiful, rolling trainwreck.

You know, I used to think that /4ccg/ was mostly shitposting and it was pretty funny. But now that I've had the misfortune of interacting directly with many of you through various circlejerks, I've come to the horrifying realization that most of this is coming from a place of real, genuine stupidity. Reading this stuff just makes me sad now.

https://epicmafia.com/game/5372127

2more2ever

https://epicmafia.com/game/5372127
2more2ever

>>153194216
you losers really, truly have nothing going on in your lives, don't you?

>>153193289
>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrapping

>literally still caring about mulpcup

>>153194527
>virtual divegrass options are /mlp/winslolhalftheyear and >/icup/
help

>>153194602
>halftheyear
What if they win Winter too, anon?

This thread was alright until you loser brought /mlp/

>>153194741
the point
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-
-
your head

>>153194602
VGL

>>153194602
Just git gud and beat mulp

>>153193547
nobody in these threads takes lear seriously, stop false flagging retard

>>153194908
[citation needed] on the reaction to retarded and slimy then, faggot

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>>153194762
Why is she biting that fish?

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The /circleclop/ themselves is half the reason people accuse them of cheating
>Capitancy cards drama
>Normal way:
Ask as you were told.
>/circleclop/ way:
Say nothing, and when the cards are deleted go full sperg over how is sabotage and they do nothing/they team is ruinned depending of who you are talking to.
>Access to Email exports
>Normal way:
"Lol sure, change the password, nothing is going to change because we won fair and square"
>/circleclop/ way:
"NO BORIS, DON'T CHANGE THE PASSWORD, THERE IS NO REASON TO DO IT, STOP LISTENING TO THIS ASSHOLES! THEY ARE JUST SALTY! LEAVE THE PASSWORD PLEASE"
>Two medals out of possition
>Normal way:
Tell the Boris to switch them around
>/circleclop/ way:
Tell Boris to sub BestPony off for whoever, then to sub BestPony in for Twilight, then sub Twiligh in for Whoever, and when he fucks up, tell him to go back to do it again

>>153194989
It tickles him.

>>153194762
>1.04 sucks
yeah but 1.03 sucks EVEN worse.

>>153195019
how do these clowns have 2 stars again?

>>153195053
Seems painful

>>153195189
ultimately, it all comes down to luck

>>153195274
For you

>>153195189
Cheated the first one, PES'd the second one.

>>153195274
He's into the more kinky stuff.

>>153195189
Because the 4CC commissioner has ALWAYS been spineless and stupid when it comes to /mlp/. Banning people for no reason other than "I don't like them" (Koala and others) is fine as long as they're not horsefuckers, but don't anger the autists!

>>153195019

>>Normal way:
>Tell the Boris to switch them around

This is not allowed

>>153193719
damn what a surprise
maybe now you can finally realize that /mlp/ hates reddit and bronies as much as the next guy

>>153195340
>cheated
End this meme

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>>153195019
BGP never said Boris shouldn't change the e-mail password, he said Boris shouldn't publicly announce he was changing the e-mail password because the tinfoil hat brigade would take it as proof they were right.

An accurate prediction, by the way.

>>153195456
It's not, and thank fuck Tony is gone.

>>153194979
Open the archive yourself you little shit, I'm not wasting my time on spoonfeeding your retarded ass

>>153195406
>is fine as long as they're not horsefuckers
Except the one who denied /mlp/ from the 12 points master race

Reminder that since Lear has been the commisioner /mlp/ has won 100% of the elite cups.
When are we going to address the real issue!?!?

>>153195619
You were just making shit up then, okay.

>>153195583
How did they cheat

If you say "nightly exports" please provides some evidence that refutes >>153191210

>>153195652
justice for /wg/

>>153195451
congratulations mate, my opinion of you rose from rock-bottom, to little bit higher than rock-bottom.

>>153195747
DAMMIT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A DIGITAL RECORD THAT SHOWS EVERYONE WHO LOGS INTO THE EXPORT E-MAIL AND IT SHOWS NO ONE BUT F4R ACCESSED IT ALL SUMMER DOESN'T MEAN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPORTS THEY USED PONY MAGIC OR SOMETHING REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>153195747
They cheated because I said so. FUCK YOU

>>153196024
>Marco actually took his trip off
#rare

>>153195724
Here's comes the airplane, open wide my little baby
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/152613959
/#152694286

>>153195747
Tony said he had it setup to auto-forward it to his email iirc. And this isn't about drama either, I'm pretty sure he just helped compile the match day edit from time to time.

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>>153195564
>BGP never said Boris shouldn't change the e-mail password
He did, it was the whole reason people were calling him out.
>An accurate prediction, by the way.
Is easy to make an accurate prediction when you are making sure it becomes true.

>>153196150
Ha, joke's on you, retard! I don't know how to read.

>>153196150
>two replies
>one neutral, one negative
>THE WHOLE THREAD SHAT ON HIM
Seriously fuck off

>>153196228
>iirc
you don't

Why do /mlp/ get to be the villain of the cup ? Nazis are better villains than some gay ass magic horses

>>153195747
This was in 2015, not 2016.

>>153193661
But that's wrong. Last open house was Durgen's ticket to /rules/.

>>153196481
They made themselves the villains by winning despite being incredibly, incredibly retarded. People say they cheated but seeing how often they mess things up (>>153195019) they'd probably have fucked up their cheating too.

>>153195189
Dedication, perseverance and talent.
Seriously, get fucking good. Your team is literal trash compared to the likes of /mlp/.

>>153196649
kek

>>153196642
>can't beat a pack of retards
Wow, you guys REALLY suck

>>153196603
Durgen wasn't even in /rules/.

>>153196458
Joke's on you I just put that there for no reason. He did say that at one point.

>>153196246
No, I was in IRC when that conversation happened. You see, most 4cc people have about a third grade reading level, so they really struggled to grasp the distinction between "do what you want, but please don't tell anyone" and "please don't do that".

>>153196793
yeah, the guys in charge suck so everybody's angry

>>153196649
Rather low quality bait, but here's a (You) on the house.

>>153196793
REKT
AB/mlp/ can't recover now.

>>153196919
Having 5 sockpuppets in there and free speech on irc is more than enough influence.

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>>153196371
so you didn't even read it, good job

>>153197093
what does AB/mlp/ mean ?

>>153195451
>/mlp/ hates reddit and bronies as much as the next guy

But /mlp/, you ARE the reddit and brony!

And then, mulp was a cancer

>>153197183
annihilated by /mlp/

>>153197171
>expecting someone you spoonfeed to actually care about what they're fed
/a/ was right all along

>>153197045
>please don't tell anyone
The reason the password was changed was to put the accusations to rest. Not telling anyone wouldn't accomplish that. BGP didn't want the password changed because he felt it legitimized the accusations.

>>153197102
Only when you believe he actually has influence. Durgen shows up in IRC like twice a week and I'm not missing any because I'm a neet in there 24/7.

>>153197171
It's literally one guy.
And it's probably (You)

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Reminder that we're all friends here and shouldn't fight.

>>153193413
>le golds are too good meme

have you ever watched a 4cc game? ever?

>>153197308
Yes he shows up to shitpost about reallife divegrass, I'm there as well. That doesn't change the fact that he gets super active whenever rules are discussed. See last open house discussion.

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>>153197351
i hate you so we weren't friends

>>153197351
Nah, I've got IRL friends, I don't shit two shits about you dorks

>>153197286
I'm actually the guy who spoofed the other guy, and that was my only post in this thread.
Don't give a fuck about all this, I just like searching for stuff.

>>153197286
it wasn't actually me, someone else spoonfed him after I realized I'm talking to a shitposter

>>153197328
>look at further reply chains than just the initial few
>at least 7 people call Lear a retard in reply to one of his posts
wew that was hard

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>>153197351
cute! cute! cute!

>>153197454
And yet the only thing you have is boogeyman claims about /rules/.

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>>153197595
they're not cute you fag

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I don't know what you guys are complaining about, I thought the Summer rules were just perfect.

>>153197483
fuck off
>>>/facebook/

>>153197426
What is this backwards false-flagging bullshit?
The general consensus since Spring has been that Gold strikers are too fucking and nothing can basically be done to stop them. We've had tests with Silver and Gold GKs and it didn't help for shit. The problem is in the defence because a 22 stat gap is simply too fucking much for PES16 (and partly PES15) too handle properly.

The argument for no changes was that the God Golds make #sick plays and the cup would be #boooooringggg without them.

>>153197573
>Ctrl+F retard
>only one reply is referring to lear, the others are referring to rules, MarcoZ, or /mlp/ management
You live in a fantasy world.

>>153197426
Yes, I've seen gold strikers win against three or more defenders more times than the defenders actually doing their jobs.

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>>153195564
>>153197045
>Change the password like other people want, BUT DONT TELL ANYBODY
Why would you do that?
What do you even get out of that?

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>>153197731
rude

>>153196782
>>153197064
Even if the accusations of Tony passing on the nightly exports back in 2015 were true, the same cannot be said of /mlp/'s most recent run. There are literally zero horse-positive people left in /merit/, Boris hates /mlp/ and spergs like Cyclohexane are more vigilant than ever at making sure that they don't break the rules.
Say what you want, But /mlp/ objectively won Summer 16 fair and square.

>>153197738
That's probably what you think if you dont really care about cup, and only follow /mlp/ matches.

>>153197569
>>153197498
You two should meet up and have hot gay sex.

>>153197597
>Durgen says something in irc
>4 people repeat basically the exact same line in rules a few days after
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

>>153197796
Is this the worst /4ccg/ has ever been?

>>153197848
/asp/ie screwjob.

>>153197774
>>153197797
the problem is bad defenders, make the bad things better instead of making the not quite as bad things worse

>>153197942
Ok well here comes the part where you prove you're in rules or else it's just more boogeymaning.

>>153197782
nice strawman faggot
I didn't mean they call literally call him a retard, I mean they call him out for his dumb bullshit. There are several MEAN SPIRITED replies if that's what you want me to say you autistic spergshit.

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>>153197838
okay sorry, they're cute

>>153197975
... was literally not cheating

>>153198106
>boogeymaning
>maning
I want ponies to go and stay go

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>>153197731
what the fuck!!!

>>153197848
>But /mlp/ objectively won Summer 16 fair and square.
Yeah, but their objectively fair and square wins were shit

>>153197956
Nah, back when CF was having his autistic meltdown it was worse

>>153198121
Alright, let's use your metric: mean spirited replies to him regarding the /mlp/ situation (all the others are about something else)

>retarded and slimy
What. How?

>retarded and slimy
I'll give you retarded, but they were just trying to legally fix their fuckup.

Nice neutrality you got there, commish. Glad to see this after you gave /pol/ an equal amount of grief.

Three replies. Wow, LITERALLY the entire thread.

>>153198306
Only if you're a brainless homosexual.
Are you a homosexual?

>>153198016
>nerf golds
"Sluuurp"
>buff defenders
"Sluuurp"
>do nothing
"Perfect"

>five+ goals per game
>muhmentum shifts up the wazoo

>/rules/

>>153198306
They were either PES being shit, or outright throws against them. It could have been /o/'s year, easily.

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>>153198440

>>153197848
>i-i'm totally not a horsefucker o-okay
The Post, The Experience.
Boris doesn't hate horsefuckers, he hates being accused of rigging and /mlp/ winning is the #1 cause of rigging claims, true or not. Also mentioning Cyclo right after /merit/ doesn't make any sense at all since he has fuckall to do with it. Thank God.
Besides that comparing the 15 run to 16 is a dumb thing to do because they were played on different versions of PES with PES16 generally being acknowledged as the most random yet, even beating 1.12 in terms of shittiness and managers going "I don't wanna deal with this".

>>153198440
But kekoff abuse and 90++++ goals are crap and i don't like them.
And i might be kind of a homo since i like traps

>>153195451
>/mlp/ hates bronies as much as the next guy
Whats the difference?
Because if there was a difference, it went away long ago

>>153198016
You can't buff defenders. Defenders (and keepers) being retarded is part of 16 and even making ALL of them Golds wouldn't really fix the problem.

>>153198483
>outright throws against them
Oh boy, I can't wait to hear your reasoning about how Polybius, Marco, Groudon, and the entire /m/ council are cogs in the horsefucker conspiracy.

>>153198524
You're a fag and probably masturbate to child porn.

>>153198692
No u

Consider the following:

>re-ban Durgen from IRC
>nerf golds slightly, buff 77s slightly
>rewrite the rules so even a braindead goldfish could follow them
>don't change to PES 17 as soon as it's cracked, see if it fucking works first
>have trustworthy people that are no longer managers change the exports email password every week - exclusively to avoid drama

>>153198483
B-But 1.04 fixed ping pong and momentum shifts, don't you know?

>>153198106
>revealing my identity
Yeah no I don't wanna deal with that bullshit. So I'll just accept not being able to convince you.

>>153198621
Well see, bronies roleplay, create endless circlejerks, revel on the fact that everyone hates them,try very hard to have the show staff validate them, and create cringeworthy OC ponies. /mlp/ does all that but calling themselves horsefuckers

People being angry makes my dick hard.

>>153198776
Exports are no longer a problem now that they're not forwarded to Tony though.

>>153198692
You think that was MayDave?

>>153198815
You don't have to reveal your identity to show you're in the group.

>>153198680
That's not his point at all you mong. He's saying /o/ running the same thing the entire cup and not even changing it up for /mlp/ rematch constitutes a throw because of course mulp would be somewhat better prepared.

Change wiki banner

Thanks

What do you think about 96-88-80 system

>>153199008
Only once the rankings have been updated :^)

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who /hnd/ here?

>>153198893
>revel on the fact that everyone hates them
I was under the impresion bronies were literally unable to realize why people hate them.
Much like when /mlp/ comes to ask why aren't they allowed in invitationals or why everybody hates them

>>153198776
>don't change to PES 17 as soon as it's cracked, see if it fucking works first
>having to stay on PES 16 any longer than absolutely needed
I'd rather cut off my dick with a spoon.

>>153198692
You're a fag and probably masturbate to filly porn.

>>153198776
Possibly even consider a format different from GGSS.
Also somebody please address the height rules, what we currently have is a laughable mess.

>>153198930
Newfag here, what's the story with MayDave, i heard jokes about him frequently

>it's ANOTHER /rules/ go at each others' throats as anons episode
keep it coming i love it

>>153199217
If he's a fag, wouldn't he masturbate to colt porn?

>>153199217
>Also somebody please address the height rules, what we currently have is a laughable mess.
What don't you like about them?

>>153199279
I'm from /rules/ and fuck you

>>153199217
And what exactly is wrong with filly porn?

>>153199040
Not enough.

>>153199165
Friendship and tolerance /)

>>153199251
Oh, he's just some Dutch pedophile. He also really likes dildos.

>>153199217
What format would you suggest other than GGSS, just as a starting point?

>>153199446
Why are so many of the worst autists in the cup Dutch? Is it a coincidence?

>>153195451
While that is true, let's not kid ourselves, the cup and the thread attracts a lot of outsiders as well.

>>153199550
How about 95-88-81 ?

You can't fix the rules, because PES16 is fundamentally broken. Only a fool would think making the AI worse will result in better gameplay.

What, did you think /rules/ just spent a couple of weeks doing nothing? The changes you suggest have all been tried and found to not fix shit. Or at most, it's a one step forward, three steps back kind of deal.

But hey, feel free to waste your time figuring out the same shit we did.

>>153199185
It shouldn't take long to see if 17 is worse than 16 though. 16's horrible traits (with our current format) are immediately apparent, enough to show with just a test cup. It would literally take being noticeably worse than 16 or Denuvo for us not to switch.

>>153199709
>>153199709
That's more stat compression (which I think almost everyone but /rules/ wants now). I was talking about the medal format, like how there used to be bronze players.

>>153199331
How about everything?
What's the point of using 'height abuse' when it literally gimps your team?
You gain a total of 35 cm in exchange for -24 stats.
>but you don't have to/shouldn't run height abuse on medals
>making your already bad players worse for extra cm when it so rarely even matters

Another thing to consider would be to allow role-specific cards, so all defenders (CBs and R/LBs) get a free man-marking card or some other slightly less memey shit, instead of just straight up buffs/nerfs.

>>153199703
yeah like the shitposters from /v/ and /b/
come the fuck of, literally nobody from outside this site watches this shit

>>153199550
#HotOpinion
G-(S/SS)-BB
80 non-medals
87 Bronzes
87 Silvers with two A playable position and that must be in the 175 cm height bracket
94 Golds
+1 card for everyone

>>153199726
>feel free to waste your time figuring out the same shit we did.
Sat with your thumbs up your ass, and every time someone suggested something you went "muh goals", and if someone suggested FIFA you went "muh aesthetics", and ended up doing absolutely nothing. As usual.

Why am i angery ?

>>153199726
Hey how about you share some of those decisions? The one thing people always complain about in this shithole is communication and transparency. The one thing Lear said he would definitely fix was communication.

also
>fundamentally broken
I don't know man, I've seen some pretty alright stuff from stat compressed games, but hey I couldn't tell you shit about the technical side of the game so I guess my opinion as a viewer doesn't matter.

>>153200328
Because you should have had a Snickers

>>153200328
because you are a fat autistic sperg without friends that arbitrarily hates /mlp/ to try and delude yourself into thinking that you aren't a despicable human being

>>153200047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MaVV5aJ80g
I somehow doubt that all of the 175,000 views come from people from 4chan.

>>153199726
Oh fucking bullshit. Whip out the tests then. All you did was test better gks, defensive prowmess and stat compression. The only one that worked was stat compression, and the majority of you shot it down because you're faggots and like your golds unstoppable.
Nobody even wanted to leave the complete shit that is GGSS.

>>153200043
I unironically feel like my defenders play better without a man-marking card, I've just put it down to PES being PES at this point

>>153200058
I thought the two A positions thing was a meme, since the players rating always fell when you put them anywhere but their registered position.

>>153200047
>/v/tards and /b/irgins watching the cup
nice joke

>>153200429
To this day, I can't understand reddit's obsession with that one promo in particular. Summer 15 was better, anyway.

>>153200429
That video in particular has been linked on a couple of high traffic subreddits, r/video and r/funny I believe. Unsurprisingly the comments on reddit were full of /mlp/ and /pol/ fans

>>153200508
I just want fluid formation to actually be viable and fun.

>>153200550
summer 14 is the GOAT promo

>>153200428
Thanks, armchair psychologist, your projection is a complete disaster !

>>153200047
Yeah, while the thread is pulling 200 IPs on a /mlp/ match, the twitter has 400+ followers and the YT channel has almost 2k subs. I'm sure that's all 4channers through and through.

>>153200058
too much, too late. I say we have one last shit show for Autumn because >babbies even tho it's one of the higher profile cups we've had in awhile and see what 17 brings. Winter 16 going well lured us into a false sense of security and PES16 wave of shit crashed down on us in full force when we were least expecting and we were unable to make meaningful change when we had the chance

>>153200636
>implying fluid isn't perfectly usable
/v/ this last cup, plenty of teams before that

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>>153200364
>>153200480
Well here's the pastebin of the testing from /rules/ that I posted back when the decision was made. http://pastebin.com/PuXunu09

>>153200826
Both finalists in Winter, too.

>>153200703
Yep, it is.

>>153200759
>we were least expecting
'We'? A lot of us were predicting this all along, you goober.

>>153200550
I made a post a while ago on the subject so I'll copypaste it.

Plebbit has a ton of people. The Winter intro was linked a few times there and now it has more than 100000 views.
Plebbit also has a shit attention span. If you look at the rest of the videos in Ved's channel, none of them have got a substantial increase on views. When someone links me a cool video, the first thing I do after watching it is check out the other videos in the uploader's channel, and subscribe to it if I like them. Plebbitors simply watched that one video and then fucked off back to Plebbit.

>>153200759
>1.04 wave of shit crashed down on us in full force
Fixed. 1.03 at least worked somewhat.

>>153201242
t. /u/ management

>>153201242
people were more/just as upset with spring though, which was run on 1.03

>>153200978
Well that's depressing

>>153200892
>All you did was test better gks, defensive prowness and stat compression. The only one that worked was stat compression, and the majority of you shot it down because you're faggots and like your golds unstoppable.
Yep, just as I remembered. I forgot about the nerfing finishing meme, but that's about it.

>>153201412
I remember writing a more elaborate post on the same topic but I can't find it in the archive right now

Why shouldn't the rules discussion take place in /4ccg/, the thread _made_ to talk about the cup and its workings? Have managers and/or anyone else that feels like giving some valuable input use a trip so it's not all just anons flinging #hotopinions at each other like what's happening right now.
Having the discussion take place in IRC is the same as creating a safe space, one that also makes some managers less inclined to chip in in fear that all the DF cronies will just immediately shoot them down. It doesn't help that some people like to pretend to know what they're doing by over-complicating their explanations. We need a more open venue for discussion.

>hurr /4ccg/ is shit discussing rules here is bad
Only because you make it that way. Put in a little effort and this place can actually be useful once in a while.

>>153200892
What does this total, a hundred tests? Split between five different test settings? Further split between eight teams?
Yeah, this is inconsistent as fuck.
Literally why wouldn't you just setup a 'blank slate' team, play it against itself, and try to bruteforce good settings? At least that way you'd get consistency. You might argue that it'd be a bubble then a it wouldn't necessarily apply to all teams, but why not just test the way you did after finding somewhat acceptable settings then?
This, to me, reeks of trying really hard to make as little as possible look like a lot.

>>153200759
God, I wish the commish had balls so you "oh noo too much change for meeee" people would shut up.
Why keep this hellhole of a ruleset if we know it's broken? Gimme one good reason that isn't "lmao let babby teams suffer" and I'll suck your dick.

>>153201630
Again with the DF RUNS THE CUP.

>>153196481

Because we all hate furries, and Horsefuckers/Bronys are just furries in denial.

how does /rules/ even function lmaooooooooo

oh wait, it doesn't

>>153201346
Mainly because of no rules changes. It's a different issue.
1.03 seemed to be fixable by adjusting player stats.
1.04 seems like it's fucking broken beyond repair, but maybe we can at least mend some of the damage by adjusting stats.

>>153200826
I know, I used it but it would basically be mandatory with players with multiple playable positions and it could buff up midfields something fierce (Heck, box-to-box fluid CMF\AMFs are really good even now). I really need to test it some time.

>>153201634
imagine I developed a ruleset by playing /r9k/ against itself. assume it's possible to bring /r9k/-/r9k/ down to 4 goals a game. However, when I run two other teams against each other, the game will probably be extremely boring. Why? Because /r9k/ are suicidally aggressive and don't match the broader base of tactics.

you can't establish a ruleset based on a solitary tactic because you run the risk of other things breaking the gameplay. you need to test things like this on a range of conservative to aggressive teams so you get a feel for what an actual cup would look like.

>>153201630
>Why shouldn't the rules discussion take place in /4ccg/

Because no one here will actually put in time to see if their retarded suggestions will work. The majority of people here will just anonymously yell retarded shit and nothing will get done.

>>153201630
the only issue with a manager pitching rule changes with their trip on is if they aren't considered top tier or at least good, their opinions will likely go overlooked which discourages them from trying

t. manager who is reluctant to post new rule ideas with his trip on and instead does it anonymously in hopes that someone more qualified thinks it's a good idea

Why not move back to PES 15 just for Autumn?

>>153202183
Smugleaf is holding the cup hostage on Pro Evolution Soccer 2016 until he too wins two stars

>>153202170
Which is why I said that anyone who feels like they have some valuable input should trip. If they don't want to, then they can at least post results or something.

>>153202181
And that's different from having it be in IRC how?

>>153202024
>>153201346
To flesh out my point.
People were upset in Spring because it seemed like we could fix it but decided not to because
>Lear
>making decisions

People are upset about Summer because we had a second chance to fix it but instead we got 1.04 which just broke the game even further.
Plus the fact that the biggest excuse for Spring was "dude no time lmao", which definitely wasn't the case here.

>>153202520
>the biggest excuse for Spring was "dude no time lmao"
Also "it's just the Babbies, the Elites actually have managers that know how to defend"

>>153202437
the people i see in IRC the most nowadays are mostly people ive never heard of trying to merc teams. Is that really where all the meaningful rules discussion takes place? That explains a lot

>>153202520
>we got 1.04 which just broke the game even further.
stop with this meme
all it takes is ONE test to reverse this opinion, with any 4CC team. 1.03 is mementum hell, it's obvious, predictible and it's shit to watch.
Just watch ANY spring game and when the momentum starts shifting it's obvious as fuck

>be /u/
>choke a final
>no wins in the next cup
>management would rather whine about it all day every day on /4ccg/ than even attempt to take advantage of the easiest bounceback of their fucking lives
c'mon

>>153202767
And 1.04 is SO much better, right?

>>153202159
Then don't pick fucking super aggressive /r9k/. If you're so fucking good at making/analysing tactics then how about you fucking create /AverageAsFuck/ and play it against itself until it looks somewhat good?

How does your argument even make sense if you follow it up with shit like
>broader base of tactics
You're literally saying there's a commonground. That's what you should test on, not fucking /r9k/ you fucking troglodyte.

>>153202912
From a spectator's perspective it is, yeah. It's still manager hell but at least I'm not literally predicting the games when a team doesn't have a bigass lead in the first half and then momentum shifts to absolutely rapes said team.

>>153202991
"a base of tactics" would imply multiple teams since if you're not sillius you're probably running something different than the next guy over. "average" is a meaningless word.

>>153202991
>If you're so fucking good at making/analysing tactics then how about you fucking create /AverageAsFuck/ and play it against itself until it looks somewhat good?
Because there's more than one tactic in the cup and rules testing has to accommodate that. Stop being stupid.

>>153201782
It's not as bad as it's made out to be.
These last days or weeks sine the cup ended have had more meaningful discussion than has ever been on the irc.

>>153201896
I don't get why you're being so defensive about it.

>>153202767
And this didn't happen at all during Summer right? People weren't going "watch how the momentum will shift in the next half" and PES definitely wasn't proving them completely right, that didn't happen did it?

>>153203127
>>153203152
Then do this:
Make a generic 4-4-2, a generic 4-3-3, a generic 4-5-1, a generic 3-5-2 and have them test against each other on different settings by multiple managers, as the standard testing teams. If you want to go further, create a suicidal 4-3-3 and some horrible, guaranteed-to-lose-90%-of-the-time 3-4-3 so you get the outlier tactics too.

>>153203338
Because it's substituting actual arguments for a random unprovable excuse and is part of the reason /merit/ don't listen to us.

>>153203338
No, not reliably, at consistently the same times and not in the same retardedly goal-happy manner as /lit/ - /his/, for example.
And no, /r9k/ - /p/ doesn't count, that was retarded tactic vs retarded tactic.
>>153203438
well why the fuck not test against existing teams at that point
you've just proven him right lmao

>>153203438
>/rules/ testbed: 4-4-2, 4-3-1-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-3-3 wide, 4-2-1-3, 4-2-2-2
nice to see you've finally come around

>>153203650
I find hard to believe that after doing all that (or pretending to) they found changing absolutely nothing to be the best choice.

>>153203438
>Make a generic 4-4-2, a generic 4-3-3, a generic 4-5-1, a generic 3-5-2 and have them test against each other on different settings by multiple managers

That is what /mlp/ did in their own test cup.

>>153202181
Post yer tests.

>>153202520
>People were upset in Spring because it seemed like we could fix it but decided not to because
Here is the testing that was done before Spring. https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/144807493/#145063639

bring back harlock

>>153203127
>>153203152
It's not about the tactics you shitty mouthbreathers. It's about how the players act and how the game flows and feels. This is all you shitheads have been basing your decisions on so far, why isn't it good enough any more?
I couldn't fucking care less if a team runs fucking FLP 10 1 murderball or AOD 1 10 slurpfest, I care about players losing balls to spaghetti defence and about goalies not even being near fast enough to react to a 99 striker volley.

>>153203127
hi Vaughan

>>153204090
These things quite often vary with tactics you know.

>>153203857
You're arguing against the wrong thing. It's not the testing methodology but what they were testing that was stupid.
- Nobody even dared mention a different format than GGSS
- the only working option (stat compression) was very moderately discussed (95 golds are still overpowered as fuck, we should settle toward 90-92)

>>153203917
>The other one was 84/94/99. The games looked okay but some of the teams were on horrid meme tactics and that makes it very difficult to judge how the games would look under more normal circumstances
From the horse's mouth itself.
People wanted anything but what they already had had, so why not go with this?

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>>153202159
>/r9k/ are suicidally aggressive
I love it when managers go meta with their tactics

The problem isn't the golds

It's the AI in the defenses and goalkeepers that's really bad

>>153204241
I do know, but if you run a set of non-retarded sliders then you can minimize it and maybe weed it out through actual stat-testing.

>>153204536
Why do i have a deja vu reading your post ?

>>153204585
Okay, so what do we to accommodate this?
An AI patch? Harlock was absolutely ass and we have no reason to believe anything else will be any better
Buff defenders? There's an option. Mentioned it earlier but free cards for defenders could be a possible fix.
or
and this is the kicker
Do we nerf everyone but standards and buff those instead to even out the playing field? This seems like a decent option.

We get that
>PES is fundamentally broken
Nobody is disputing that. We just can't fix it. But we can at least try to adjust for it.

>>153204943
>so what do we to accommodate this?
You can always move to FIFA.

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>>153202902
>wanting /u/ to bounce back
It's like you WANT /mlp/ to win a third star

>>153204380
Did you see what the tactics were for those matches? Horrid meme tactics is the nicest thing you cans say about them. I get wanting to change the format but switching to that would be just like switching to a random ruleset, and change shouldn't be for the sake of itself, it should be done because it's better.

what events in the babby would redeem the cup ?

>>153205120
The odds of them getting in the same group again are worth having /u/ back on the elites.

>>153205367
Lear disbanding /rules/ and then killing himself or stepping down on stream

>>153204689
Because an original thought has never been posted in /4ccg/?

>>153205367
/wsg/, /i/, /s/, and /p/ finally going down to the fetus never to return as they should have long ago

>>153205827
>implying there will be a fetus in autumn or spring

>>153205987
there might legit not even be enough teams for a fucking 32-team Autumn babby

/vr/ pls

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>>153205987
>tfw #48teams will finally be a reality

>>153206059
>there might legit not even be enough teams for a fucking 32-team Autumn babby
FINALLY
#48TEAMS

>>153205367
/a/ vs /sp/ in the great final

>>153206218
>/vr/ /toy/ /g/ /his/ /sci/ all ded
at what cost?

#48teams is already a reality, but /gif/ are turbofucked so we're 47 right now

Let's put this out for consideration: These are all the players, all-time legends included, which have over 88 (aka silver medal level) finishing in PES16.
http://pesdb.net/pes2016/?all=1&finishing=88-99
#HotOpinion: not only is PES16 broken, we've also been using it very, very wrong. 99 in all stats is literally never ever supposed to happen, not even in overpowered shits like Messi, Baggio and TSUUUUUU. Konami has never ever even tested a player with that stat higher than 94 - so why should we?

Give me ONE perfectly good, valid, objective reason as to why we SHOULDN'T give the following teams the axe, permanently:
/3/ /cgl/ /cm/ /diy/ /fa/ /gif/ /hm/ /hr/ /lgbt/ /t/

>>153206780
>99 in all stats is literally never ever supposed to happen, not even in overpowered shits like Messi, Baggio and TSUUUUUU.
true, however it's not like said players were rated all-99 in previous iterations of PES. Golds have always been better than default players, and the 4cc has never been about emulating a real divegrass match.

>>153206945
BEAR
FORCE
ONE

>>153206945
how about just /i/ /m/ /g/ /a/ /y/

>>153206945
/3/ and /lgbt/ have really nice music?
/t/ fucking DESERVES to be axed forevermore for using Lazytown instead of Alestorm.

>>153206780
Because everyone is happy to see a 99 Gold striker. I mean look at it. It's the best. It's the best. It's number one. It's number one. It's always number one. It's the best. It's the best setup.

>>153206671
>so we're 47 right now
There was a guy waiting to be verified for /g/, i think

>>153206780

You can level players in PES16. Players like Messi do achieve 99 finishing.

>>153206953
No, but Konami is lowering the stats and making the stat floor higher, hence broken 99s. Just look at the previous versions of this:
http://pesdb.net/pes2012/?filter_Shot_accuracy-min=89&filter_Shot_accuracy-max=99
http://pesdb.net/pes2013/?filter_Shot_accuracy-min=89&filter_Shot_accuracy-max=99
http://pesdb.net/pes2014/?all=1&finishing=89-99
http://pesdb.net/pes2015/?all=1&finishing=89-99
Messi had 97 and 99 shot accuracy in 12 and 13, and 99 and 98 finishing in 14 and 15. Now he's just got 94, and his overall rating has also been nerfed.
>>153207397
Doesn't really affect us in exhibition mode though, and neither does it change the fact that Konami seems to have nerfed everybody's stats, and we should have followed.

Let's just cut the crap and make everyone golds

>>153207668
Remove all height restrictions while we're at it

>>153207597

They nerfed their stats, because you can level the players. if they had maximum stats from the get go, there would be no point in leveling them.

>>153207858
Well okay, let's exclude Messi because I assume you can level him, then how about the legends? Those have always been disgustingly overpowered and yet there's no legend with overall stats higher than 93 and only one legend has 97 finishing. I'm still pretty sure Konami just doesn't intend on using 99 stat players anymore.

Welp after 5 rounds of crashes, new and old tracks, voids, and gaffes the maths is finally concluded. First place is Lolita (/lit/) with 343 points, second place is Naked Christian Horner (/sp/) with 286 points, and finally third place with 270 points is Sanic (/v/). The flat tyre award goes to Kerning (/gd/) with 63 points. Thanks for watching and let's hope Winter F4cc brings us even more fun.