Eve Online General - /eog/

plate rep

Taxation is theft.

>>152972467

I'll make a webm of the extremely basic version of the bot which I made while developing it

Wait a sec, the video has a debugger window telling you exactly everything that happens with the code

>>152972640
Just trade in my near-taxfree citadel in perimeter goy.

>>152972640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

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>Snuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOd2AigOExI

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>mfw snuffs living in aeschee now

Are the Caldari still the top-choice for most players?

>>152973452
>keepstar literally just disappears
So they never changed that after sisi? Lazy as fuck fags

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>>152973509

>>152973635
M8 the game was shitting itself. Everyone was running potato graphics.

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>mfw watching snuff ships

>>152973490
>>152973526
mfw they're failing miserably so far

>>152973701
Are you saying if I blow one up on sisi it's going to not just disappear? Because I really fucking doubt it.

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>guy goes over my buy order by 20% because of a 19% higher buy order 14 jumps from Jita

>>152973657
So Caldari keep winning most of the CCP events and stealing Gallente territory?

>>152975394
Take a look at the current Gallente vs. Caldari FW.

>>152974906
How would you even know?

>>152975684
The buy order 14 jumps away is still within The Forge so it appears on the market in Jita.

>>152975810
So buy it and relist it at non-retarded prices?

>>152975894
It's a buy order, not sell.

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>>152972665
Here's the video I had of an older test with the first version of the bot.

It only shows 4 sell orders but it can go for 50 buy and 50 sell, and the wait times can be adjusted accordingly so it does so fast enough. As you can see, there's no memory reading and it's fully pixel-reading (and it also has randomization), so its pretty much impossible to be detected.

Again, that's the very initial version of it I wrote about a month ago, I am now writing an actual OCR bot using OCR libraries that completely understands all the text on the monitor and is able to select items from my inventory and sell, should the price rise high enough. It will also have an API or spreadsheet integration for calculating market statistics and an ability to synchronize between several instances of it on different computers.

The bot in the webm takes about 100-150 lines in Autoit to code and can be made absolutely errorless. The simple functionality of having it go trough all tens of your orders and update them using the method in the video is enough to net you 100m to 200m per hour if you pick the correct items (use a spreadsheet and manually do so)

>"0.01 is fine and there are no bots in jita ur just a shitter lmao 1% undercut rule sucks"

heh

>>152976238
They were wiped out few months ago.

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>>152975645
I'm so confused. When I last played this three years ago, the Gallente were getting their shit pushed in by the Caldari militias. What changed the momentum? New alliances getting more interested in FW?

What happens if the Amarrians just get totally wiped off the map?

>>152975894
http://www.factionwarfare.com/oped-rens-is-dying/

Maybe the reason why they went elsewhere was to do other shopping?

>>152976068
By the way, if anyone needs any guide for writing simple bots in Autoit, feel free to ask. I'll spoonfeed you everything. There's literally no reason not to bot Jita RIGHT NOW.

The more of us who bot, the higher the incentive for CCP to fix their shitty market and implement the 1% rule. I'll use this trip from time to time so if you see me post with it, you can ask me whatever you want related to botting, I'll help.

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Have you accepted our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?

>>152976437
nothing happens. FW is just a cosy farming arrangement. they all switch sides all the time

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>>152978197
In my heart there is only place for Empress

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>>152978405
>Not worshiping Slaanesh

>>152978065
I don't want to be spoonfed, but if there are any resources you could link to I'd appreciate it.

>>152978065
I see how you do it now, I think I can script it myself. Not that I'm probably going to because I don't want to get my account banned

Do you have a mechanic scripted where you won't raise the buy order too high in order for it not to become unprofitable?

warhams pls go

>>152978543
I'm not into traps

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>>152978990

>>152978065
While not directly related to botting I'm still a bit new to station trading (Been playing about a month) and am wondering if there's a better way to find items to trade in rather than just tediously clicking through the market and looking at the buy orders vs. sell orders. I see everyone talking about using spreadsheets but to get them to function don't you have to import each item into the spreadsheet manually first? If so then I could see it being useful in the long-term but it seems just as tedious when you're first sifting through items.

>>152979065
>import each item into the spreadsheet manually first
importxml function it's called I believe You can pull the prices from a website like eve central.

If you want to get serious in trading you should probably use one (or create one, I gues, but there are already enough out there)

>>152978065
This is the most retarded mental gymnastics ever.

>tripfag

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fuk this is actually pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXH0utgaDUw

>>152978634
>if there are any resources you could link to I'd appreciate it.
The Autoit forums and dissecting written scripts. Tho directly asking questions is far more efficient, so I'd strongly recommend that while I'm available

>>152978729
>Do you have a mechanic scripted where you won't raise the buy order too high in order for it not to become unprofitable?
Not in that script, but later when I integrate the OCR part I'll have it also gather top sell order price.

>I don't want to get my account banned
Sleep(Random(50, 100, 1)) after every line in your code. Randomize the sleep times between inputs and when you actually use the sleep function.
Your bot just became undetectable as you're emulating real human input and the bot-detection software only flags your account if it detects an input pattern. I know that because WoW's Warden used to get triggered by normal (legal) Razer mouse macros, so bot-detecting software seems to be coded to detect botters who don't randomize inputs.

>>152979065
Yes, spreadsheets definitely. Here's a function to import the Jita buy prices for all items in the game
=IMPORTXML("http://api.eve-marketdata.com/api/item_prices2.xml?char_name=demo&buysell=b&minmax=max&station_ids=60003760", "/emd/result/rowset/row/@price")
Add this to a column next to it
=IMPORTXML("http://api.eve-marketdata.com/api/item_prices2.xml?char_name=demo&station_ids=60011740&buysell=s&minmax=min",
"/emd/result/rowset/row/@typeID")
And you will have the typeID of the item corresponding with the buy price at Jita right next to it. Modify the URL for sell prices (buysell=s&minmax=min)

>>152979250
I'm on your side lad, I also hate ego-tripping tripfags. Don't worry, only gonna use it for bot/programming discussion

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>unironic tripfags

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How viable is this fit for unironic solo pvping in nullsec?

>>152982576
looks meme as fuck, why not fly something normal instead

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Can this do a 6/10?

>>152982576
>phantasm
>viable
am I being meme'd

>>152984815
replace your fourth gyro with a damage control you chucklefuck. It's called stacking penalties

>pve
>damage control
>implying 4 gyros aren't perfectly viable

-1 gyro would kill like 30 dps on his fit

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>>152982576
>>152983585
>>152984884

>>152985180
shieeeeet 30dps

A tracking enhancer would probably increase your applied dps more if you really want more gank.

>>152985747
>a cruiser shouldn't keep up with a frigate
/eog/ memes.

>>152985747
>500+ mil for something a 30 mil cruisers can do

Stop meme'ing son

>>152985915
400 DPS at 20k, 18k EHP.. suure

In other news, that cap.

>>152985747
Just realized it's overprop.

Traash.

>>152986352
>400 DPS at 20k, 18k EHP
Is nothing special for a cruiser

>>152986352
a plate rep beam omen gets about that

>>152986352
An omen can pull that off albeit without the oversized prop.

>>152978065
do you make tons of dosh doing that? what's the per month income of botting.

How do you guys stare at spreadsheets for hours without wanting to kill yourself?

>>152991245
I have porn on other screen

>>152991192
I don't actually do it often as I don't care as much for the ISK as for the fun of solving the riddle of coding it, but if I did it 8 hours every night while I sleep, I'm sure I'd be netting an average of 1b per day. Stopped at 10b

>>152992896
can you just upload your bot to a google drive or some shit? I could follow a guide with all your spoonfeeding but that'll take a really long time

>>152993324
Nah, the bot is specifically designed for my desktop dimensions and my window positioning, plus its not working right now as I'm heavily modifying it. It wont work on your computer since I haven't bothered adapting it for mass use

Seems you'll have to learn from scratch lad. Not that it's hard, it's actually quite fucking easy, it seems intimidating only at the start

>>152992896
Do you make a new character and then just lowkey drop the dosh off RMT style or are you not worried when CCP finally decides to ban bots

>>152993580
I've done it for a while on my main, and I've also heavily botted other parts of EVE and WoW (chat spamming specifically) and I haven't been caught once simply because of the fact that I randomize the time between every input, making it seem human to bot-detection software
To have an admin manually dedicate time to investigate specifically me, I'll have to gather quite a fuckton of reports for botting, which will never happen, so I just bot on my mains

>>152993531
I mean you could just tell me your desktop size and the position the bot attempts to click at and I can line it up from there.

>>152994994
As I said, the bot is not working anymore as I'm recoding it and the code does nothing right now.

You can check the webm I posted here >>152976068 and guide yourself from the output of the debugger window. I wrote the debugger to output every single step so I can make a video of it and watch it later should the bot make a mistake, so I know where the mistake happened and recode that section.

how do we get rid of these faggots

>>152995318
Petition CCP to remove 0.01 and raise minimum undercut value by 1%

>>152988010
>plate rep range fit

>>152978065
I'm an okay C programmer but i've never written a bot.
Other than the Autoit forums, where should i start for botting knowledge?

>>152995419
but that's needlessly complicated compared to the other solution that was posted

couldn't you just not be an aspie

>>152995419
1% would completely close the margins and elseways make nobody feel like selling anything. What seems fine, .01 isking or realizing that if you keep undercutting, you won't make anything.

how about, the cost of modifying an order grows the larger the order is.

that way, you could still have 0.01 wars, but the median price would still be set by those with the fuckhuge orders, which would tend to keep prices more stable than rampant 0.01-ing

>>152995906
but I thought we didn't want 0.01 wars

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>>152995462
If you're an okay C programmer, you'd be able to learn it straight from experimenting and writing basic programs within a few days. The in-built help function has an index searcher where you can search literally every function, along with well-commented examples below it (pic rel). You can then research further by googling, which will always return a couple of forum threads with your question solved

Start by coding basic shit like math output to msgboxes, arrays, string management, mouse/keyboard control, so on. Always use the help function.

As for general botting knowledge, there are a couple of forums with a lot of autoit-related (and general) discussion for botting games, google returns most of them.

>>152995678
read the reply chain for the last 100 posts of the last threads, we already went over that with pretty much every variation of an argument
tl;dr 0.01 is retarded

>tl;dr I'm gay

>>152996467
thanks Botguy, i think this botting project will finally get my lazy ass outta my 3 year coding hiatus.

what are the good Armor frigates/destroyers right now?

i can fly anything but i'm best with Minmatar/gallente :\

>>152996937
for what

>>152996467
.01ing not being fine doesn't make 1%ing alright.

There's blatantly no rebuttal to the awfully few orders between standard prices and no profits.

>>152996992
for a roam with Eve University newbies, so it doesn't need to be optimized terribly well. not mentioned if we'll have logi.

>>152997165
Talwar

I would list a frigate, but most don't have the range to get in and out of fights, both safely and with decent DPS

>>152997165
ask them

10

>>153001039
>>153001409
>Amarr

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>FC wants me in serious business F1 babby shit

what should I bring instead

>>153003905
drake

>>153003905
whatever is one class higher than the ship you're supposed to bring so you slow down fleet warp speed by your mere presence in fleet.

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Not a pretty output but here's the progress on my """""""""simulation"""""""" of sleeper sites done in MATLAB (for ease development and b/c I really only care about the math answer and not it being portable or easy to use). The green is the current sleeper target, red is other sleepers. Size corresponds to their ship class.

I've got acceleration accounted for for drone and sleeper movement. Also there is a delay worked in when switching targets because it's not instant in EVE

Anyway here's an example of the output. The wave ranges to start aren't accurate yet but that's easy to change

>>152996937
vigil fleet issue is top tier

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tfw your waifu gets all dirty

>>153008606
This is awesome.

>>153011432
thanks anon. It's got some minor bugs like the movement being jittery but it shouldn't affect any damage calculations so shouldn't be a big deal

I still have a few things I want to add but it's working fairly well

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which bellicose skin do you guys use

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>/eog/

Lull.

So, how's the PvP?

>>153023347
>take a retarded ship to op to piss of FC
>get blueballed anyway

not great

>>153023520
>some dude brings a Tengu to a frigate roam
Mm.

>>153023916
>it was by Vestouve
Fucker lost it. So much upshipping, fully formed logistics, and 100-ship harpy fleets.

>>153013192
Tronhadar

>>153008606
Must autistic thing I ever saw

>>153029594
fuck you phil

>>153029753
y-you too
It's really neat gj kevin

>>153030000
nice quads
this is maq

>>153030324
Suck some German trap dick

>>153030324
peperoni

>>153008606
jesus christ anon
i love you

>>153008606
Can you do this for dreads in cap escalations?

>>153008606
That's pretty damn cool.

Since when is Waffles it's own thing? And no longer PL feeder corp.

>>153035464
Waffle is a pl feeder corp.

>>152996467
Do you write bots with color/pattern recognition or do you actually read memory?

>>153008606
Can you even use drones in sleeper sites? I always hear that they tend to instakill them by refocusing the fleet as soon as drone pokes out of dronebay.

>>153008606
that's fucking cool my man

Can you do a statistical prediction for Plex's price based on history, or something neat like that?

join brave newbies

>>153040148
>Can you even use drones in sleeper sites?
Yes

>I always hear that they tend to instakill them by refocusing the fleet as soon as drone pokes out of dronebay.
There's some randomness to it. My drones get attacked once every two months, while some other people seem to almost exclusively drone tank.

Either way, you use a rattle with navy wasps, which have huge shield tanks, so it's not a major issue most of the time.

>>153036256
No, always pixel recognition. Firstly because the bot is supposed to emulate a human, hence look at the screen and understand, second because its actually fun as fuck to have the riddle of coming up with solutions how to interpret pixels so the bot works

I'm unironically going to make a pixel-reading bot for mining when I build up my libraries (which probably wont be soon). Currently studying NNs and am going to use one to pinpoint asteroids and player ships in real time
The ISK from a mining bot is literally 20m per hour but who cares, a neural network that can "see" the asteroids ingame is quite cool

>>153040606
I guess if you want to use some sort of facial recognition software like found in facebook or whatever.. it would cut a lot of 'reinventing the wheel' from the thing.

>>153041094
Yeah, libraries for such things are already written and exist. You just include them in your project and use their functionality, which is what I'm going to do.

Sounds intimidating at first but its actually quite fucking simple - you're merely calling a few functions from a dll and playing with them

>>153041247
This reminds me of when I used to play fps games competitively. Found out after I quit from a friend who was still on the inside that he and the rest of the team had been using a whole suite of hacks and ini edits in order to play the game. He was *amazed* when I told him I had never edited anything or used a hack.

The point of the above being; I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all these autists in null corps with 20 mining alts each don't create and share a mining bot for dissemination internally. So long as you land at unique locations relative to other bots they will all function differently with different relative levels of performance yes?

>>153033039
>cap escalations
anon...

>>153041845
I wont point to names, all I'm going to say is that there are entire null corps that bot ratting & mining at the same time. Had a friend in one and they freely gave him the bot for being a long-term member.

I'd be pretty amazed if every relevant corp doesn't have an entire network of mining/ratting/market bots, seeing how easy it is and knowing the length those autists have gone through to achieve a goal in this game (especially the russians).

>>153042043
>I wont point to names

do it faggot

>>153042316
>outing your mates on public forums that get archived and indexed by google

"no"

>mates

>being mates with botters

>not being one yourself

?

>I won't report a botter because it might hurt his feefees

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x hard tackle

more pg for the omen when

It has enough.

>>153044412
That's surprisingly shit

>25km neuts are shit

>malice tries to neut me
>mfw I'm at 31.61km

>kill and pod some faggot week old noob
>send him some money
>he puts bounty on me

Why is Icelandic Krona the currency of New Eden?

>>153054516
should they use us dollars

>>153054516
In the future Iceland rises up, nukes the US, Russia, and China, and takes over the Earth.

i love officer fits on sisi. they're so awesome.

>>153055295
deepest lore

>>153055172
>mfw someone refers to isk as dollars

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which battleship is cutest, megathron raven or typhoon?

Barghest

barghest is disgusting and also meme shit

>not apocalypse

>>153056672
Show me where the the longpoint touched you.

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How viable is this fit for solo roaming in nullsec?

>>153032921
you too
>>153040220
no lol, if I could predict the future I'd be rich of real stocks $$$$$$
>>153040148
yes of course you can
>>153033039
>cap escalations
kek

Anyway I'm fairly confident now in saying that c3s and c4s are where the money is if you're a solo jew. If you're a solo jew then c3s in a rattlesnake or nightmare is probably your best (most cost-effective) option. A nightmare can perform better in some c3 sites than a rattlesnake. You can make a little better isk/hr doing c4s in a marauder but the initial investment is huge and the risk is large as well

>Not flying a Barghest to an incursion fleet

>cynabal
Just armor sebo gatecamp it.

>>153059881
>kiting with ACs

no

brawl or get a different ship

>>153059882
What are the ISK/h values?

>>153060095
You seem to not understand how this ship works. Cynabal does not really kite, it softens its target by shooting it from 20-25 km, and then burns towards it and finishes it up close.
Of course it's not a killing machine and will struggle even against a ratting gila, should it happen to be properly fitted. But it still works okay for its price.

>>153060243
highly depends on what site you're running. Average about 250-275m/hr for c3s with all Vs which doesn't include warping between sites or salvaging so in reality it's a bit less. Some sites (solar cell) are more lucrative.

C4s with a marauder is around 300m/hr with less warping required because the sites take longer.

>>153060921
oh, and 2x tinker rattles doing garrisons is around 420m/hr (blaze it), but divide that by 2 and you're probably better off just doing 2x c3 sites at the same time, although you'd need to run 2-3 sites in the time it takes to do one garrison and there is the warp time to be accounted for

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honour brawl my hecate m8, tama top belt.

>>153060497
I'm not so sure about your fit, with no web or scram to hold your target still at those close ranges is extremely risky.

I see you have the AB for obvious reasons which is a good idea because the cynabal is really fast with an AB. I feel like for a similar price you could do a T2 fit orthrus and simply get better performance in every way

>>153060497
there's more than one way to fit a ship. your way just happens to be bad

How about a mid module that gives an AB bonus.

what like an ab

>>153065652
yes what we need is MORE oversized AB faggotry

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how about a module that makes you immune to pvp

>>153066273
Rorqual soon

>>153065786
No, like an AB with bonuses.

>>153065983
Not what that's suggesting. It would make standard ABs some percentage of bonused ships just from a mid slot.

>>153066534
Yes and it would make oversized ABs even more rampant

>>153066647
theres nothing wrong with oversized AB fits when the mass addition is so huge it fucks your agility

>oversized propfags actually believe this

>>153067074
no, oversized abs are all completely broken because they completely ruin missiles, the value of warp scramblers, and make webs even more super essential

>>153067074
>40m sig confessors going 2k/s and impossible to hit with even small weapons

yeah it's just fine

>there is nothing wrong with oversized AB

inb4 there is nothing wrong with JF and svipuls

>>153067182
>broken
>because muh missiles

AB's dont even increase your speed that much and one web ruins the entire thing.

BC's with 100mn AB's barely touch 1000m/s

>>153067278
Defensive mode confessors don't go 2km/s, they barely get 1200m/s, its 1800 with prop mode and even then you're blowing so much fitting just to attempt to get that to work and EVEN THEN, lml's have no problem hitting destroyers at 40m sig and 1200m/s

>>153067470
with links you have 40m sig in prop mode and easily go 2k/sec

>>153067470
No one fits oversized props on battlecruisers you strawmanning faggot

>>153067470
a web counters a normal ab. an oversized ab is bullshit. missiles are just the most obvious example of them. if I had said turrets you'd just tell me to bring 5 webs for 0 transversal

>it's balanced, look at all these BCs being garbage!

yeah I'm sure you aren't really using oversized AB on sansha ships and T3Cs

>>153066647
It doesn't have to affect overprops

>>153067520
sounds like a problem with links and not the actual ship itself. Even then thats a 6 link legion that won't exist after they remove OGB

Even then you're shoe horning a dumb scenario that you somehow can't hit even though its barely going frig AB speed

>>153067551
cruisers barely get any faster and their agility is still shit

>>153067696
a better solution would be to make fitting over/under prop impossible

>>153067651
>a web counters a normal ab. an oversized ab is bullshit.
No a web counters an oversized the exact same way. Getting webbed with an oversized AB just fucks your agility

congrats the confessor isn't going 1400m/s its going 600m/s

>oversized AB's on phantasms
still kills the agility and even then these are NEVER a problem. Some 250m phantasm can't get hard countered by a fucking huginn are you crying still?

>I need 5 webs
no you need 1 web, the shit isn't hard to hit you're probably trying to use HML's on it which no one uses because they're trash

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>>153067470

>>153067881
>No a web counters an oversized the exact same way.
Do you even play this fucking game

>>153067784
That's not the topic. The scramweb meta is not particularly fresh or interesting.

elise pls stop embarrassing yourself

>>153067958
that's not an AB though

>>153067958
>cap is fucked
>fitting is fucked
>lemme shoe horn a fit for a 500mn MWD, killing all my shit and put 2 nanos on it
congrats you have no ability to do anything and an interceptor or frig with a scram puts you out of comission so quick

when was the last time you got hyper kited by this prohpecy with no agility and a 500mn MWD oh yea never because this fit is bad and can't do anything

don't fit any trimarks or plates because you're just ruining your fit more

>>153068081
it would be if 50% of people weren't using retarded gay fits that break or avoid taking part in it

>>153067964
60% of speed is 60% of speed, 10mn AB's on destroyers aren't magically more immune to webs anymore than a 1mn is

>>153068091
So?

>>153068126
Overprop mods don't have agility.

It can fix the cap and tank really simply because it has drones.

>>153068324
>Overprop mods don't have agility.
You're right they don't the mass addition is HUGE

go ahead look at the inertia modifier when you increase your ships mass by that much

>it can fix the cap and tank simply because it has drones

how do the drones increase your cap and tank?

>>153068157
No, m8, sitting around going 250m/s, orbiting each other in scram-web range isn't fucking fun. The only thing that keeps some decent percentage of players having fun with this game is kiting because it has a disengage in the blob meta. It's the same reason overprop fits are popular: scram web is a shallow meta that makes fits predictable.

>>153068242
They will still have more speed you numbnuts. Hence they are less vulnerable to webs.

>>153068520
by not having guns

keep up, muthafuka

>>153068560
>blob meta
holy shit cry more, someone brought more ships than you

>>153068591
>less vulnerable to webs
no they aren't faggot, 60% is 60%

reducing 1400 to 600 is a HUGE difference, not only are they wasting cap and have NO agility when its active but if they don't have a counter web or scram it doesn't even matter at that point. And because they're so stupidly low agility they'll NEVER brawl at that range because they can't hold an orbit on you at all

>>153068560
you're retarded and should kill yourself

there is no brawling because now we have 80km webs, 40km scrams and 100km points. there is no meaning to getting up in some fag's face because you have no advantage in range control because of all these retarded cheese ships. plus they fucked up all the damage projection, so now we have pirate cruisers doing like 800 dps applying to frigates out to 50km

eve with 20km points and 10km webs/scrams was much more fun and interesting

>>153068746
>there is no brawling because now we have 80km webs, 40km scrams and 100km points.
these have been in the game for over 5 years

this isn't "now we have" this has been in there for a very long time

>>153068714
>You should always only fly in fleets
Even if you did, kiting would still be optimal because of how much range everything has and how shitty it is for damage mitigation flying at 250m/s.

>>153068746
That's not a problem for lower-class ships and fleets. I get that you have a point in criticism, but this isn't the discussion for it.

>>153068714
More speed means more potential tracking issues for your opponent and less missile damage. It's that simple.

But whatever,stay bad at pvp chump.

>>153068839
the range and damage has been creeping up continuously, allowing long range tackle to be abused even more effectively

plus hic scrams are not 5 years, they're a huge anti-fun thing in pvp

>>153068895
>not a problem for lower-class

did you forget the EAF buffs

>>153069009
>the range and damage has been creeping up continuously, allowing long range tackle to be abused even more effectively
that doesn't change the fact that its been in the game for a stupidly long time

this isn't abuse, you're just mad you got fucking pointed from 100km by some retarded set up by an arazu with links and an overheaded republic fleet warp disruptor from a ping 100km off a gate.

>>153069008
>less missile damage
at those low speeds even at 1400m/s LML's have no problem applying AT ALL.

>stay bad
says the one bitching about non-issues and wants to remove fit diversity and thinks some singular ship fit is ruining all of PVP

>>153069009
>plus hic scrams are not 5 years, they're a huge anti-fun thing in pvp
hick scrams don't get bonuses from links

>>153069269
>don't get bonuses from links

so what, they're still faggot aids

>at those low speeds even at 1400m/s LML's have no problem applying AT ALL.

pls stop it. there is no set amount of damage missiles do at speed x. sig matters all the time

>>153069269
>wants to remove fit diversity and thinks some singular ship fit is ruining all of PVP
literally wat

I never said any of that. There are more people than just you and me in this conversation you know

>>153069486
>so what, they're still faggot aids
>UMM I DONT LIKE THEM FAGGOT AIDS BUZZWORDS

k

>pls stop there is no set amount of damage missiles do at speed x
>sig matters
and at just 40m and 1400m/s, LML's have amazing application, 1400m/s and 40m sig is frig AB speed like a dramiel or other nano frig

>>153069269
>at those low speeds even at 1400m/s LML's have no problem applying AT ALL.
wew someone doesn't understand missiles

Without sig bloom from an mwd that 1400m/s will matter a fuckton. Did you get your pvp experience from F1 blobbing m8?

>UMM I DO LIKE THEM FAGGOT AIDS BUZZWORDS

>>153069562
yeah, LMLs do apply too well honestly

>>153069009
>did you forget the EAF buffs
Apparently?

Is Stunt here? Looking for any help with TEST?

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>T3D rebalance planned for November

RIP Cancer-chan...

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>>153069961
>yfw svipulfags biomass themselves irl

>>153069961
https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/tactical-destroyers/2016-08-27/

>>153069597
A rapid light Caracas does some 330dps and against a target that has a sig of 40 doing barely 1400 the Caracas doesn't lose much of its dps at all

You're whining about a non issue and making up bullshit about a fit on a confessor that people don't even do anymore

those focus group fags seem like a bunch of reddit tier shitters

>>153070545
they are. they've also opened it so all the CSM and other focus group people can get in it and think they know things

>>153070167
>mrhyde
>suitonia

>all the faggots butthurt about svipuls
>mfw nobody uses webs

>>153070861
>t. svipul brutor

>small arty for frigs maybe finally

>just web the 30k ehp destroyer, that'll help

>30k
No

>he can't dismantle a slow brick
lmao stay bad

anyone can hit a full buffer svipul you shitter, the issue is it takes way too long and its backup will arrive. also it just rip gfs all brawling frigates like a sabre does, which is shitty

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>small gang forms up
>somebody asks if he can bring his svipul and a linkfag alt

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>>153071541
>>30k
>No
uh yes.

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>>>153071709
25k in def mode.

>>153071614
>hurr imaginary backup

>>153071819
>hurr imaginary not backup

>hurr

>brawling frig dies to a brawling dessie

>brawling cruiser dies to a dessie

>>153008606
Anon can you post the matlab file? I have to learn it this year and I want to see what a good program looks like

>he brawls in a stabber

>>153071972
with t1 destroyers there's counterplay and fitting variation involved, and frigs have a chance because they have more slots and not such a ridiculous hp gap

with an ac svipul you just sit in def mode and press f1 and everything dies. you don't need to manage your tank or your capacitor or anything. even if they mitigate half your damage they still die, your hp is about 3x what it should be. and after the fight you're in mid shields, you'll be back to about 80%+ shields before your weapons timer is up. it's just full babby, you don't even have to try

>>153072135
sure, send me a few bil in game :&)

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>>153070706
what's wrong with suitonia

>>153072469
make a program of an arty vagabond with one rapid light and ECM attacking a C6 site and I'll give you 1bil.

>>153072293
More like most t1 dessies are shit. Dragoon, corax and cata are utter garbage. And Thrasher, algos and coercer were always frig dismantlers.

>>153072293
>with an ac svipul you just sit in def mode and press f1 and everything dies
No you don't. You are in propmod all the time, if you have to switch do def you are probably gonna die.

>wow a frig died to a svipul, boohoo

>>153072864
>cata

please kill yourself, catalyst is excellent

funny how you can say the dragoon is 'utter garbage' while the algos is apparently super great according to you. the gap between them isn't enormous

>propmode
>in a brawl

lmao. you realise your prop mode svipul does not dictate range against anything sensible with a web and scram right? you're just shitting up your own butt if you try and mitigate damage like that in a 2 shield fit

>wow a svipul fag made a shitty post

>>153072864
>frig dismantlers
assemble a small thrasher, catalyst, algos, corax, talwar anything and you can do serious damage while being extremely cheap and doing 2 times more damage than any non pirate frigate can pull.

thrashers

>>153072789
why would you want this

>>153056117
Mega because the phoon is pretty, but not cute. The raven is kind of ugly but I like most caldari ships.

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>raven
>ugly

the raven is almost as ugly as it's brother, the retarded space scorpion.

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>tfw this perfect qt got butchered by symmetry autists with shit taste

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>the phoon is pretty, but not cute

>>153073245
why wouldn't you ant to see the most optimized ship in the game make 1bil an hour solo?

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>>153074969
>yfw someone actually thought that making it look like a retarded space scorpion was a better idea than throwing new textures on it and making it a bit bulkier

>>153075212
top memes

>>153071541
If you can't get a svipuls to 30k you are retarded.
>Svipuls
>Slow
Pick one.

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>Anime Masters / Goonswarm Federation

>>153073170
What is the point of the corax with the talwar existing.

>what's the point of apples when oranges exist

>>153073082
>please kill yourself, catalyst is excellent
Killing afk covetors doesn't count m8.

>>153075754
>the ship is op is you use links and have 4b plugged in your head i swear on me mum m8!!!

>>153076790
for those poor idiots that trained caldari destroyers and no minmatar

>>153076790
they can fit cyno

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>>153074969
But it looks awesome now.

>>153072789
Vid?

>Mr. Hyde
>suitonia
>chessur
>fintarue
lmao what a roster of shitters

>>153076896
>>153076896
>light missiles
>apples and oranges

>>153077575
>different slots
>different bonuses

>yeah these are exactly the same, what is this guy talking about

>>153077319
do you have this for the moa model ?

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>unironically flying a gross brown retarded piece of shit when you can fly this

>>153078192
My brown shit allready on another side of the grid while you still locking me.
Honestly in t1dessy fleet battles corax sux big ass and talwar is decent. But talwar sux big ass too when facing King Of FW - Cormorant. Half of enemy fleet dies before first missile volley hit you.

>>153078386
>FW

stopped reading there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVz4IfjpoS4

>>153078476
You almost make it to the end

>>153078386
>big T1 dessy fleets
everyone dies to corms or thrashers if they get caught on a bubble
the end
everything else is subpar in big fleets

>>153078494
Scope reporters are still looking for the Keepstar's killmail.

>>153078476
>there
Stopped reading there.

>>153078612
good, that was the last word in the post

Problem with the corax is that you cannot precisely tell how good is a explosion velocity compared to the MWD sig bonus.

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>>153078494
>Viziam share prices jump after confirmation of renewed contract to provide Amarr Navy with hardpoint and reactor subsystems for planned YC119 refit of Third Fleet

Punisher third midslot confirmed.

>>153079978
>all amarr ships get a PG boost

>mfw novice 1v1babbies still don't know how to punisher

>>153079978
>hardpoint
>viziam
>zealot, devoter

>>153078494
That sounds like Chessur with a voice modulator.

>>153080265
>-5% cap as a compensation balance :)

>zealot

this is like the stabber of hac

+0.1 % cap
+0.3 pg

I think this will really bring amarr into a good place

>>153080431
They've been skimping out on voice acting before, wouldn't surprise me now.

>>153080616
and yet lots of fags are using it for meme gangs

>>153080616
The zealot could at least pretend to be useful back before just decided to use t3s instead.

>>153078494
I thought keepstars were constructed via nanobots or some other form of nanoshennanigans? At least that's how POS'es and the other buildings work.

>CCP raping the lore
Might as well since they're raping everything else I guess

>>153081127
there are probably people involved with some part of the construction

>anon being a bitch

>outposts always relied on human labour
>but lmao why do lmao do lmao require lmao people to lmao make them lmao

>>153080772
I really wonder why tho. Sac is better and if you really want laser then Legun.

>>153081543
>I really wonder why tho

because some fc likely thinks hes clever by using shit ships

>>153081543
zealot and legion aren't the same price

sac is really good brawl, but shitters don't want to commit to that, they always need to be able to do long range

>that one guy who uses zealots instead of ANI

>memeror meme issue

>>153081668
Yeah but no one cares about price anymore.

>it's a meme because I read it on r/eve

>that one fag who keeps bringig up \reve

>that one fag who brings up memes from r/eve

>he doesn't nano zealot
fucking highsec scrubs

>he doesn't fly my shitfit

Any idea of what Amarr redesigns??

>yfw amarr only needs new textures because their designs aren't space scorpion tier retarded

>>153083706
executioner is getting redone for some reason

they're removing the fins

>>153083706
amarr is pretty already

executioner redesign is downgrade

>>153084390
>>153084434

>>153079978

>>153084696
inb4 executioner 4th mid

>tfw tidi in Aeschee

>7 mid ships cannot compete with 8 mid ships in afterburner 1v1s, so we think they should all be given an 8th midslot

>>153085903
snuff pls go

>>153086228
>implyin I'm from cuckbox

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>>153086579

>>153086745
Paquito is my senpai. I hope he will notice me.

>>153087758
test server

>>153087876
You can't get that amount of plex on the test server unless you're filthy rich.

Plex don't sell at 100isk on sisi.

>blaster ship
>iron

>anything other than a/n/v

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>Batphone hundreds of people to help you
>Lose to PH

Shadow Cucktel.

>>153087758
fake and gay (probably)

>>153088812
It's real.

But it's not on TQ.

>>153088754
show me where machs alphed you

>Lose

>implying

Holy shit, that's fucking genius

PLEX is a liability for CCP, as the guy who would otherwise pay a sub will use a PLEX (for which he/someone paid), making the gain out of it minimal ($5 before taxes).

However, if the PLEX is destroyed or used for arbitrary services like an additional skill tree on the same account, a subscription is not activated as a liability, but the $20 value item disappears from the game - CCP gains $20.

Bravo CCP, even Wargaming can't come up with such advanced levels of jewry

>>153089093

>m-machs alphad suicide canes
>that means me win. paquito said so!

Literal cuck.

>my reddit battle report says we won

>>153089047
Thunderdome?

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>>153089436
maybe undock first

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>tfw snuff just got cucked by pandemic horde

Literally cancer.

>yfw nullbabby napfest blobbers talk about their blobbing

>>153089574

>Switch tactics. The post.

I was undocked cuck.

>>153089571
Yes.

I can spawn literally infinite plex.

>>153089724
sitting on undock is not counting anon

>mfw hundreds of people in my home system
>mfw no idea what's going on

x brutix navy issue

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why snuffs are cucks?

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Who you callin' a cuck, kid.

>>153091108
those glasses must help while being in pod.

>>153091108
Grarr Dexx obv, but not only him ayy

travelceptor

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>tfw you will never be as skilled and manly as Grarr Dexx

>>153089336
Its an item

Its the user's fault for doing what he did, its not CCP's "jewry"

CCP sells you a fucking 20 dollar poptart item that can do shit. Its your fault for undocking it from station and getting ganked

>PERUNGA will never take over Snuff and lead them to a new golden age

Come protect your pos cuckbox. It's boring

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>>153086745
>LNAW

Daily reminder that the Moros has nothing over the Naglfar

new vertical kestrel model when

>>153095949
Die.

>>153096429
you and your shit taste first m8

>caldari
>vertical

If someone is too fucking stupid to plex from a free trial, they shouldn't play the game to begin with. They will be too fucking stupid to do anything without getting fucked.

>>153097141
bait

>>153097141
nice opinion you have there
can i steal it?

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passive align

>>153097141
don't bully snuf

>>153097217
It's true tho.

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>that one guy who doesn't calculate if its worth grinding for plex or working irl

biomass irl fagatron

>>153097435
bait