/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

Is there an item dupe in DaS3?
I need t. Scales

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LONDOR IS A SHITHOLE
YURIA IS A WHORE
KAATHE IS A JEW

Can we expect basegame changes from the dlc? Like more shortcuts between areeas.

Nth for Halberds are comfy


>>152707524
Chances near 0%

>>152707430
Why do they respawn when you sit at a bonfire, then?

Whats harder Ornstein/Smough or watcher/defender?

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10/10 game, guys.

>>152707312
Watcher and Defender are not hard at all, they're slow and easy to predict/roll from, they don't hit that hard and they have no grabs, their buffs don't even actually add magical/lightning damage to their attacks, only make them hit harder with physical. The only real danger comes from accidentally rolling off the stage, or getting Giant's Kinship before facing them.

>>152707647
Watcher Defender.

>>152707465
like you could get the weapons and armor of the dlc basic enemies? or how you could obtain cool ranch demon's armor?

>>152707637
Hang on a minute, the Lords of Cinders are former Chosen Undead?

>>152707647
Watcher/Defender. If you do it right, they're only the firsts of a serie of three bosses.

>>152707637
Would it be fair to say that every weapon in the kiln is someone who kindled the flame, and then maybe more in other lands who are unaccounted for? Has anyone counted all the swords yet?

>>152707641
>hollow affiliated npc
>shit waifu
bite your tongue

>>152707703
just quit/load you lazy nigger

>>152707496
You can buy them, though.

>>152706685
Every weapon in the SoC arena used to belong to a Lord of Cinder
Every firekeeper corpse in the tower in Firelink Shrine represents a cycle that has passed between DaS 2 and 3, or maybe DaS 1 and 3 with 2 being an exception

>Get invaded about 6 steps into central Irrythill
>Look for invader, see him just before the claymore hollow plaza
>Curved Sword, Full thorns
>offer a 1v1
>He bolts into the horde
Really now, i wouldve jumped for a 1v1 oppurtunity; beats 4 man ganksquads

>>152707993
Does DaS2 counts as linking the fire though? The protagonist in it has nothing to do with the Fire.

>tfw you rate a message and it turns the messages symbol into the blue one
I feel so happy!

>>152707592
there's a lot of things that respawn when you sit at a bonfire. hell, even the destructibles do. are the destructibles undead?

>>152707762
Adding on Nashandra and Aldia isn't even that hard unless you blew all of your Estus on Watcher Defender (which you never should). Nashandra is easy to kill first-try as long as you're competent at rolling and know how to hit a stationary target. Aldia is even easier since his tells are all super obvious and he doesn't even move (plus he gives you all the time in the world to pop lifegems before he appears).

>>152708094
Shanalotte says "You, who link the fire" as you approach the Throne of Want, so I guess the answer is yes.

>>152708228
>implying that sitting on the throne is canon
>implying that the BotC didn't go hang out with Aldia

>>152708148
I... dunno.

I guess the part about things respawning may ignore the lore a bit.
Or maybe it's a rewind kind of thing.

>>152708228
>Shanalotte
Who?

>>152707284
It probably only seems that way because we haven't seen anything about the Sable Church except what Yuria lets us see.

>have a miracle they teach to outcasts that carries words of forgiveness, except it actually makes everything attack them
>has a miracle that makes corpses explode, and shit is so fucked up over there that this is considered a good thing
>their followers are all zealots trained as assassins, and their standing army is trained in swordplay and anti-magic strats
>by the way, their assassins and soldiers are undying, immortal, and eternally loyal
>all skilled in illusion and lying, every londor person shown so far is a liar
>kaathe is on their side, and you know he's up to shit
>direct access to the abyss and all that entails

>>152708370
>implying both endings aren't canon at once because muh convoluted time

>>152708391
Emerald Herald

Do you guys think Aldia is canonically the most powerful enemy/being in Dark Souls?

>>152708521
Ha, the cutie.

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>>152708649

>>152708531
>>Dark Souls 2 protag beats him
Hell no

>>152708746
>video game introduces a cute character that you want to hug and make your queen
>fans make her a sex bomb
I feel conflicted.

>>152708531
>the only 100% immortal creature in the Dark Souls universe
definitely
I'm still mad that memezaki completely forgot about such an important character in DaS3, but brought back ordinary, weak undead like Patches, Kirk, Creighton and Andre

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>>152708746
Sup

>>152708391
there is also the issue of minibosses. berenike knights and heide knights in vanilla are clearly undead, yet they don't respawn. well, actually im not sure if heide knights are undead, but they do respawn in sotfs, so there's still a conflict no matter what
>>152708795
>implying you beat him
>got no souls from killing him
>no drops
>can still hear him afterwards
>implying BotC wasn't the most overpowered motherfucker in the series

>>152708795
>dark souls 2 prtoag beats him
Did you play Scholar my friend? You dont even get any where close to beating him. Aldia gets bored so he says some important parting words and leaves to go chill.

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>>152709020
>people STILL implying that even out of the DARK SOULS trilogy that BotC was the most powerful because he 'beat' a melodramatic head and found the cure for hollowing

How quickly do you think the fight went between SoC and Yhorm? How does anyone even stop a giant from linking the flame? It seems like literally any challenge set forth by anyone is trumped by "Im a giant."

>>152708746
>still no Dark Souls high school dating sim
I just want to flirt with the Emerald Heralt and fuck her silly in the butt in the toolshed.

>>152709020
Maybe it's just the last straw before they go completely hollow and give up.

>>152708518
everything that you listed is still less evil than what the Church of the Deep did
>their standing army is traiend in swordplay and anti-magic arts
>their assassins are skilled in illusion and lying
nothing wrong with these

>their assassins and soldiers are undying, immortal and eternally loyal
>exploding corpses are considered a good thing because damaging corpses/bleeding people out lengthens respawn time (see: Warden Twinblades)
inherent properties of a society of undead people

>>152709020
>>152709052
Aldia was weakened to a state where he had to run and hide. DaS2 protag beat him and will continue to do so.

>>152709020
>>implying BotC wasn't the most overpowered motherfucker in the series
No, because Slayer of Demons and the Hunter both exist, and of these two, the Hunter is easily the strongest

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>>152709123
hey jojofaggot
FC

>>152708531
Define powerful

>had the greatest impact on the world
Manus by far, the abyss he created is the primary antagonist of the series and stopping it is the driving plot. He's also a solid contender for canon strongest in terms of brute force, his magic was no joke and he took out an entire kingdom by himself.

>had the greatest impact on the plot
Kaathe. He might've been the one who manipulated Oolacile into reviving Manus, and if so would be the one who caused all the bad shit in the game. His entire goal is to spread the abyss and create an age of dark, which is what the rest of the games are about stopping, assuming you don't side with him.

>was the outright strongest being in terms of sheer might
Gwyn in his prime, no contest. Killed multiple dragons, ruled over a whole age, divided his soul among several people and still had enough to link the fire, and his influence is still felt countless ages after his existence, and his soul still lingers and retains a bit of its original identity even after being merged with the Soul of Cinder.

Aldia was a guy who tried and failed to find a way out of the endless cycle. Manus was the one who started the cycle in the first place, Gwyn is the one who set up a system to delay the cycle for as long as possible, and Kaathe is the one who finally broke it in the end.

>>152709323
>des
>bb
>when we're talking about DARK souls

We need a csgo team name can u guys help?
http://www.strawpoll.me/11064370/r

>>152709542
this is SOULS general, and both DeS and BB are in the op, so keep crying

>>152709535
I thought the dark and the Abyss were different, with the abyss being some kind of darkness going wild?

>>152707817
I doubt it

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>>152708746
>Meme Herald is sitting by the bonfire and wiggling her feet
>occasionally she goes to watch the ocean
>takes her hood off at Drangleic Castle
I want a cute Herald gf! Or not even have to be a gf, just a friend I could do cute stuff with.

>>152709606
>crying
>>152708531
>in Dark Souls
>being a blind retard that can't follow a simple discussion string

>>152708861
>Andre
>A weak undead
Smiths are perhaps the most likely to survive people in the Dark Souls universe. Andre never even died, he's been alive this entire time.

>>152709139
The Lords of Cinder don't fight the Soul of Cinder, they only fight the former lord.
Only the Ashen one fight the Souls of Cinder.

>>152709454
Paddrick is a passive cunt

>>152709654
there is nothing to fear from the Dark, it's embrace is gentle and soothing, young Undead. the antagonist that he's talking about is indeed the Abyss

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>Hosting an FC near Pontiff
>Faggot Aldrich Faithful invades and starts attacking me
>Everyone else in the FC gangs up on him
>He runs towards the giants and the deacons
>He's way off in the distant now
>Dark weeaboo spirit named "Nagito" with apparently absolutely pumped FTH invades right in front of where the faggot is and oneshots him with a sunlight spear as he runs by

I love fight clubs

>>152707762
Oh, fuck. What I meant was 10 'people' (or 9 people and 1 large group of people) have linked the fire. We don't know how many of them were Undead.

Also, 'Chosen Undead' as a group is not a thing. The Chosen Undead was just the one guy who got tricked into setting himself on fire by Gwyndolin.

Undead who've linked the fire are the Chosen Undead and the Abyss Watchers. The Bearer of the Curse might have but I imagine the Aldia ending is the canon one.

Yhorm was a giant, Gwyn was a god. We don't know what race Ludleth is for sure, but probably human or undead. We don't know about the other three Lord of Cinder forms though I'd imagine undead. Lothric is probably some human-god crossbreed. Aldrich was some sort of unique slime monster by the time he linked, but it's hard to say what race he was because we don't know if Irithyll's population were mostly human, god or something else.

>>152707817
Very well might be, which would put the number of linkers at a very large amont. If every dead Firekeeper in Firelink shrine served a linker, that would also put up the count.

And, tere might have been linkers from other lands, though ultimately they'd all end up in the same kiln I imagine.

>>152707814
>>152708056
>>152708218
>>152708298
Prince Lothric did link the fire.
>Has a throne in Firelink Shrine
>Is a Lord of Cinder - someone who has linked the fire
>Drops Cinders of a Lord
>Sets on fire in his second phase - watch him on Lorian's back
>Calls his and Lorian's room their grave, implying they've already died before

He and Lorian did refuse to link the fire, sometime in the past. They must have been forced to at some point though. Their descriptions say they ran far, far away to watch the fire fade - and their bedroom overlooking Firelink Shrine is not 'far, far away.' They refused to in life, ran away, got hauled back and burnt up, then when revived ran away again like the rest of the lords.

>>152709654
The abyss is dark with a will of its own. The product of Manus's sorcery. And according to a DaS3 item description, all spells cast using humanity seek a will of their own.

>>152709813
>dark chasm of old was literally the abyss

>>152709907
So the dark beads are mini-abysses created from the spellcaster's own darkness?

>>152709907
>implying the dark chasm of old wasn't comfy as fuck

>>152709885
>They refused to in life, ran away, got hauled back and burnt up, then when revived ran away again like the rest of the lords.
then why weren't they revived by the Bell of Awakening, along with the other 3 LoC that you need to fetch?

The Bell revived
>Aldrich
>Farron's Undead Legion
>Yhorm
no mention of Lothric

>>152710018
I kinda liked the music in the first one.

>>152708861
>Patches
Transcends entire game aeries
>Kirk
An odd one

>Creighton
Underatandable aince he's undead.

>Andre
He has a connection to the Gods because he even knew the blacksmith of the Gods, meaning he had admittance to the city of Gods.

>>152709759
in that case there is an extremely close andre lookalike ragdolling at the bottom of my parish :^)
seriously though, he respawns if you kill him, what tells you he didn't die ever?

>>152707354
Where can I see the new dark soul trailer and read more about the upcoming dlc

>>152709885
>the intro video doesn't show prince lothric when mentioning the past lords who came back
>the back of lothric's throne talks about lothric as though he hasn't yet linked the fire
>no item description states he linked the fire, despite all the other cinders mentioning their owners did
>calling the room their grave could just as easily mean they planned to die there

You can't actually prove prince lothric ever linked the first flame.

>>152710010
The black serpent spell implies as much, and the original Pursuers was called the sorcery of Manus and created mini humanity sprites that chased stuff down much like the large humanity sprites in his abyss do.

>>152710251
So Manus twisted the dark into the Abyss?

How fucking powerful is he? WHO is he?

>>152710245
Tomorrow. Sony "accidentally" posted info a day early and then pulled it all shortly after.

>>152710384
>SayonaraZetsubouSensei'sCheeleader.png
"Accidentally", yeah.

>>152709454
I want to add a few names to this. Please also avoid
>THE HAMMER
>Krile
>Vyro
>Anime Sucks

THE HAMMER sits in ornstein cosplay with a great hammer and just lies on the ground for literally hours if he has to and wastes everyone's time, Vyro and Krile are Aldrich Faithful FC host ganking faggots, the former of which uses exclusively a Farron Greatsword and nothing else, and Anime Sucks only uses Dark Edge and has practically infinite FP to the point where fighting him is extremely un-fun

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>>152710365
HES ME!!!

>>152709454
>tfw frequent fight clubs but not on the list
wew lad

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Ís Run Ganker Run someone from here? He's some edgy kid called "You are doomed" on steam, using havels shield and dark sword with lagswitch on his quest against gankers, believing to be in the right and is doing this for weeks now

So question, in the Profaned Capital, the big fire that shoots at you, could that be the lord vessel with the souls in it?

>>152710384
And nobody downloaded it?

>>152710483
>complaining about the Farron Greatsword and Dark Edge
how fucking bad at the game are you, my man?

>>152710169
>My individual actions in-game mean that Andre died in lore
They couldnt keep him dead in-game, but lore-wise I am fairly certain that smiths just do not die. They have literally 0% reason to die or be killed, and its not like a random hollow is going to kill him. Undead are killed by 2 things: a loss of purpose, and other undead. Andre literally will never lose sense of purpose until the world stops needing weapons, and that time hasnt come yet.

>>152709907
the Dark inherently has a will of it's own, even Deep spells track. Homing Soulmass tells you that the attraction to living things is an inherent feature of the Dark (something Logan was on the verge of discovering, apparently).

the Abyss is Humanity that has gone out-of-control and mutated, and if you can control this mutated humanity, then you enjoy more power than otherwise available.

>>152710365
The Dark Soul
dur

>>152710673
Also, as a blacksmith, Andre is fed probably millions of souls.

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>>152710581
I ran into him too. Scary guy lmao

>>152710581
God bless him

>>152710365
the
furtive
pygmy

>>152710483
>Dark Edge spam
Out of all the spells to spam, Dark Edge is one of the easiest to evade
Are you trying to outtrade a Dark Edge anon?

>Wastes everyones time
Kill him and dont summon him

>Aldrich Faithfull FC host gankers
These sound like randoms

there should be base game changes in covenants AT THE VERY LEAST

BB literally added a new covenant FREE and new npc hunter locations

>>152709454
>listing yourself first
oh kakyoin

>>152710483
I've played against the hammer and he's never done that, he just does it until it's his turn and then goes absolute fucking ham with the demon great hammer

I'll give him credit for being pretty funny though in his overall character

>>152710581
doubt it but i'm 90% sure someone else has posted about him too
>>152710673
FUCKING HELL WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP RESPONDING SERIOUSLY TO OBVIOUSLY JOKE POSTS
I SWEAR TO GOD, I HAVE TO STATE IT ON THE NAME THAT IM JOKING
holy shit you're daft

>>152710815
Is there any evidence to this tho

>>152710365
>How fucking powerful is he?
Powerful enough to twist the dark into the abyss by himself, meaning tremendously powerful. Even after his death and defeat the abyss continues to threaten the world.

>WHO is he?
Nobody knows. From the info that does exist about him, he was an incredibly ancient human ("primeval" is the word used) and apparently a highly skilled sorcerer who knew how to cast magic using humanity. He was also dead before Oolacile people dug up his corpse and reanimated him.

Speculation is he was the Furtive Pygmy, but the game neither supports nor denies this.

>>152710692
That's all pretty likely. Although, the Father of the Abyss having a signature spell that controls humanity seems way too convenient to be a coincidence.

>>152708042
>guy invades
>try to duel him

Not saying he's using a fair tactic, but if a host tries to duel me I either BC out or hide by the boss to force them to do the whole thing with no bonfires

>>152710735
If he ever decided to put them to use and become kindel for the flame, that fucker would burn brightly for a millennia. The SoC would end up really, really buff too, and learn how to drop kick you.

>>152710596
They did, but the few who tried uploading it got it taken down immediately. Apparently, only the dumb ones got to it in time.

>>152710095
No mention of Ludleth, either. I imagine they wanted to keep him as a surprise for some reason.

>>152710251
No Ludleth mentioned, either.

No it doesn't. It just says 'last hope of his line.'

No item mentions the reasons the Watchers linked. No item mentions the reason Ludleth linked. Not item mentions the reason Aldrich linked - we get that info from Hawkwood.

>they planned to die there
Oh yeah which is why they're so willing to let you kill them? I guess the Undead Legion mausoleum is just where the Abyss Watchers were 'planning to die,' and that Aldrich's grave is just 'where he was planning to die.'

>>152710365
Manus is the Furtive Pygmy in all likelihood. He probably didn't create the Abyss intentionally. When he became Manus he lost his mind and was just driven by very faint memories and emotions. If he was the Furtive Pygmy, the Dark Soul might have still been in his body by the time he died, and when he was resurrected it went wild and created the Abyss, just like the Witch's life soul created Chaos.

>>152710972
I want a mimic to link the fire.

Just to have the Soul of Cinder doing a roundhouse kick.

>>152710937
>Although, the Father of the Abyss having a signature spell that controls humanity seems way too convenient to be a coincidence.
but Pursuers isn't actually that special. I mean, yeah, they track, but so does Black Serpent, Deep Soul, Great Deep Soul, etc. Yes, the spell has little eyes on it, but doesn't Dark Bead have eyes on them as well?

>>152710895
The furtive pygmy was the first human and had the original Dark Soul that he split into pieces to create other humans. Kaathe seems to be interested in him.

Elizabeth calls Manus the "Primeval Man". His humanity was so powerful that he created the Abyss when he went mad. Chester tells us that Manus was reincarnated because a Serpent ordered so.

>>152710968
I thought i might as well make the offer, he came back eventually but tried luring me into the horde
I swapped to WoB and waited for a Sent bud to get the red while i killed the mooks

He invaded again near Pontiff's foggate, where the invasion spawn is on the ledge opposite the fog apparently
>He sees me
>Immediatly backrolls into the pontiff knights
To be honest that looked pretty hilarious

>>152710673
>Andre is always seen smithing Estocs
>coincidentally they just happen to be meta weapons
>yfw all the Estocshitters are keeping Andre busy so that he doesn't Hollow

DEEPEST LORE

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What's the difference between the Lords of Cinder that became a part of the Soul of Cinder and the Lords of Cinder that didn't and were reincarnated by the bell?

>>152711126
They don't mention Ludleth because you don't fight him as a boss, and because he is already sitting on his throne when you find him. No reason to mention him in the lineup of wayward LoC boss battles.

>Oh yeah, which is why they're so willing to let you kill them?
what? they kind of fight you to the death

How dead/cancerous is the pvp now that only autists are gonna still be playing?

>>152711452
Isn't Ludleth responsable for everything? Doesn't he say something like that if you visit the Untended Graves?

>>152711534
Quite the opposite, really. He's responsible for saving the world by linking the fire after an age of dark has begun.

>>152710646
>>152710836
It's not that Dark Edge is hard to avoid, it's just that he spams that and only that and it's immensely frustrating because he straight up won't do anything else.

Also the Farron Greatsword isn't hard to avoid or deal with either but it's bullshit because the fucker charges the host constantly in several fight clubs I've been in. He's obviously doing it on purpose, camping at meta level just to fuck over FC hosts with his stupid buddy who usually invades shortly after.

As for THE HAMMER, he's avoidable obviously by not summoning him but I said this is a list of people to avoid, so avoid him.

>>152711527
As bad as Darkroot/Bridge

>>152710895
Manus is the Primeval Man. Primeval is a synonym to "primordial," which means the original/undending+eternal/first. Therefore, Manus is the original man, the Furtive Pygmy

>>152711442
nothing stated definitively, but if I had to guess it'd be that the LoC that got revived were the last 4 guys to do the job, and that the Bell has a finite "range" it can revive people from

>>152711623
?

Are there mods to play as enemies?
I want to play as a hollow only doing the retard rage attack.

>>152711594
I mean that without him, the Ashen One would've woken up too late with the fire already dead, and he would've been spawncamped by Corvian.

>>152711442
the lords of cinder didn't really link the flame

>>152711534
>Doesn't he say something like that if you visit the Untended Graves?
No, he just basically confesses that he knew the dead firekeeper that you meet there, that he knows what the Eyes of a Firekeeper are because he watched her be consumed by them, and warns you not to hand them to the Firekeeper

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Favorite and least favorite boss from each game?

>>152711729
I mean the cancer is about the same tier as those places

>>152711126
>Oh yeah which is why they're so willing to let you kill them?
If you kill them, you take their cinders back to burn in the kiln again. Prince Lothric didn't want to link the fire, so that would be counterproductive.

Ludleth didn't run off, he's sitting right there waiting for you to bring the others back. Ludleth outright tells you he's a lord of cinder. Each of the cinder ashes, save for prince lothric's own, says how and why they became a lord. Prince Lothric's simply say his parents tried to make a suitable lord, failed, tried harder, then mutters something about the path to the linking of the fire being a hard one.

You really, truly cannot prove that Prince Lothric ever linked the fire. There's nothing in the game that says he did, but there is a little bit of info suggesting he didn't.

>>152711248
Pursuers was the original tracking dark spell, though. It was the first of its kind.

>>152711791
3
favorite
>farron's undead legion

least favorite by far
>aldrich

Dark Souls 3's DLC final boss is actually Gwyn in his prime.
How do you react?

>go to sleep
>wake up check the internet
>DLC news all over the place
>oh lets see
>it was a leak
>trailer's nowhere to be seen
>still haven't been officially announced yet
FUCK

>>152711746
Not really. One guy managed to find out how to play as Andre in DS1 using Debug mode and to invade as bosses, but I don't think he ever shared how to do that.

>>152711791
>Demon Souls
Penetrator

>Dark Souls 1
Gwyn/Manus solely because backstory and lore, the top dudes

>Dark Souls 2
Throne defender/watcher

>Dark Souls 3
Nameless King

>>152711196
Shit dude, can you imagine all the interesting stuff there is in the Dark Souls verse that could go on weird zany adventures to link the fire?
>Serpent men
>Ghrus
>Corvians
>Mimics
>Demons
Fuck, someone could make a golem that goes around slaughtering people for their souls then marches off to the kiln.

>>152710895
Everyone else mentioned in the intro appears in some form. It would make sense that Manus was the Pygmy to complete the set.

>>152711970
I heard someone say that didnt work because once you took an NPC out of their native area, they despawned.

>>152709885
I don't believe I'm that whole "forced to link the fire"

Fire linkers are damn near impossible to defeat and can only be dealt with by others who are able to link the fire.

Think about someone who could force the protag to link the fire against his will or force gywn or even yhorm.

You can't force them to do shit

>>152711791
DS1
Fav - Kalameet
Least fav - Centipede demon
DS2
Fav - Sir Memelone
Least fav - Royal rat vanguard
DS3
Fav - Nameless Dick
Least fav - Crystal Sage

>>152711772
Source?
I'm 100% sure that Abyss Watchers are outright stated to have linked the fire in an item description and kinda sure that Yhorm is too.
Ludleth tells you that his skin is charred because he linked the fire.

>>152711868
>Pursuers was the original tracking dark spell, though. It was the first of its kind.
well of course, that was back when Dark Magic was brand spanking new and nobody had time to really study it. give people a minute and they basically copied it, it really isn't that big of a deal -- after all, dark magic seems to inherently involve tracking. spells having a will of their own is an inherent feature of humanity-based magic, after all.

it's kind of like how in DaS1 there were only a few support-type pyromancies, all made by Carmina, but by the time of DaS2 and DaS3 there are assloads more.

>>152712032
>Soul of Cinder with poisoned attacks
>suddenly its neck grow, it helmet opens and it bites you
Dear god no.

>>152711918
That'd be redundant. We already have him as a final boss and his son at full power.

>>152712091
Fun fact: Aldrich's ashes imply that he willingly linked the fire the first time, but decided he didn't like it afterwards.

"Aldrich became a lord by devouring men, but was disillusioned with his throne, and so took to devouring gods instead."

>>152711791
>Favorite
Seath
Velstadt
Dragonslayer Armor or Dancer. Really cant decide.

>Least Favorite
Demon Firesage
Rotten
Pontiff, mainly because I have a hard time with him.

>600+ AR Profaned Greatsword 27/40 2h - 13 units
>572 AR Heavy Greatsword (UGS) 66 STR 2h - 20 units

WHOA!

So THIS...is the balancing power... of the..... A team.....

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>>152711791
>having covetous demon as your favorite boss

Anyway, favorites are:
>DeS
Old Monk with another human player
>DaS
Artorias
>DaS 2
Throne Watcher and Defender
>DaS 3
Aldrich

Least favorite:
>DeS
that fucking spider
>DaS
Bed of Chaos
>DaS 2
2cat
>DaS 3
Crystal Sage with a magic build

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>actually speculating and getting into DaS lore
Get a life

>>152711791
DS1:
>Favorite : Artorias
>Least favorite : Ceaseless

DS2 :
>Velstadt
>Ruin Sentinels

DS3 :
>Champ Gundyr
>DSA.

>>152711791
ds1

>artorias - fav

>demon firesage, and literally all of the bosses in lost why-zalith - least fav

ds3

>nameless king

>curse-rotted greatwood

bloodborne

>gehrman or SoY

>defiled watchdog of the old lords

>>152712254
>heavy greatsword
Greatsword is much better as hollow than anything else, even off just base luck and the +10 from hollow gear.

>>152711791
>favorite
Lothric "the mantle of lord interests me none" you KNOW hes strong as fuck hype as fuck fight

>least favorite
abyss watchers. disappointing baka tbqh senpai

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>>152711791
DaS1
fav: Kalameet
least fav: Centipede Demon
DaS2
fav: Fume Knight
least fav: Ancient Dragon
DaS3
fav: Champion Gundyr
least fav: Aldrich

>>152710692
How would Logan know about dark spells when he was studying crystal spells

>tfw memezaki planned old monk to fight alonside with the pvp player against you

>>152712057
Possible. I've only seen a guy play as Andre in the Parish.

>>152712468
>This sorcery may offer a clue as to what Logan sought, but further investigation suggests its attraction to living things mirrors the nature of the dark. -- Homing Soulmass

guy was just a straight genius famygdala
>try to unlock the secrets of deeper magic
>accidentally figure out the fundamentals of dark magic without even actually making dark magic
>"the fuck is this shit, this isn't crystals"

>>152712254
Uh yeah, a boss weapon from a lategame boss with a quality build is better than the default early game weapon of that class with STR pumped way above the cap for some reason.

Every Souls game has had weapons become outclassed by better ones you retard

>>152711248
dark arrows also track, don't they?
>>152712136
they are mentioned to have become LoC. Nowhere is it stated that one becomes LoC by linking the flame. It seems however that one becomes LoC by acquiring enough power to link the flame in a meaningful way
>source
sorry, i can't provide what isn't there, i can only point out that it isn't there. you can take that as your "source" if you will, but it's seriously lacking. one last thing, it doesn't seem likely to me for aldritch or lothric to have linked the flame. yet they bear the LoC title. AW and Yhorm may have, however

>>152712207
Honestly, that description is somewhat confusing for me. If Aldrich was all for starting an "age of the deep" (probably, but not 100% confirmed to be an age of the abyss), why did he linked the fire willingly?

>>152712438
What the hell are you talking about, it takes still takes nearly 20 more stat investment to get near profaned AR

>>152712827
he started wanting to kickstart the Deep AFTER being revived, not before

>>152712695
Not him, but really anon
>other souls games did it too
>this means it's justified

>>152712695
>STR pumped way above the cap
with good str scaling weapons you get good returns up to 99 str or 66 2handed

>>152712827
His quest to consume gods was started when he got the idea to make an age of deep seas. Based on his cinder description, that wouldn't have happened until after he became a lord and took the throne.

>>152712909
Sorry, misread that.

>>152712695
Explain why CCS, Longsword, Dark Sword, Lothric Knight Sword, Raw Mailbreaker are top tiers you shiteating faggot

>>152713067
Fromsoft has never made a good weapon on purpose.

>>152711970
>dropkicks
>boxer punches
I want this.

>>152711452
>>152711868
>>Oh yeah, which is why they're so willing to let you kill them?
That was sarcasm
I know it's not easy to tell through text but I think it's pretty obvious that I was pointing out that saying the Princes 'planned to die' somewhere is a bullshit claim, seeing as they fucking fight you when you come to kill them.

> Each of the cinder ashes, save for prince lothric's own, says how and why they became a lord.
Fucking barely. Aldrich's says how, not why. Yhorm's say why, not how. Watchers' aren't any more specific than Lothric's: it doesn't say how, just references the 'why' - their vow on the wolf blood to fight the Abyss.

>his parents tried to make a suitable lord, failed, tried harder
>tried harder
Yeah, exactly. And succeeded by fucking around with the Angels or something.

>nothing that says he did, but there is a little bit of info suggesting he didn't.
But there is plenty that shows he did
>>Has a throne in Firelink Shrine
>>Is a Lord of Cinder - someone who has linked the fire
>>Drops Cinders of a Lord
>>Sets on fire in his second phase - watch him on Lorian's back
>>Calls his and Lorian's room their grave, implying they've already died before

He refused to link the fire at some point, yes, but was forced to in the end.

If you actually play with straight swords, you're a boring shitty person.

Literally the most unfun moveset, unfunnest way to play. It's just EZ mode.

Anyone who plays straight sword should be demonized in these games, they should be laughed at and mocked. No one who wins in pvp with a straight sword should be considered skillfull in anyway.

When I see people start their brand new videogame experience playing the whole game with boring ass shitty longsword, I just don't know. You have a brand new game, with brand new fun weapons and movesets to try out, but nope. I'm going to stick with muh fucking longsword because muh fucking sword and board.

I fucking roll my eyes everytime I see one. In my brain I equate it to someone playing on Very Easy difficulty.

When I come across someone using a greathammer or a mace or an axe or partizan or something, I think they're a cool person up for trying things and taking a trip down struggle street and being a more interesting person instead of a mindless R1 "I just need to get through this area with muh R1, ugh" zombie.

Broadsword is the only straight sword I may accept, as it has an interesting R2 that requires some skill to use, and it's got a shorter range and it's rolls aren't dumb pokes. Everything else is literally I'm Too Young to Die teir.

They should be boycotted from all FC's. The minute someone turns up with one or pulls one out, everyone should immediately gang up on them and murder them.

We need a banned FC weapon list.

>>152711791

DS I
fav: >Artorias
least: >Asylum demon clones/centipede demon

DS III

fav: >DSA
least: >Curse-rotten Greatwood

>>152712695
Ah yes, this is why every one uses Firelink Greatsword

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>>152712998
>good str scaling weapons
There' like 2 viable STR dedicated weapons in the entire game, the rest is quality

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>>152713352
You need to calm down.

>>152713437
>actually thinking SoC is stronger than Sillyman

>>152713352
But what if I'm trying to play as a knight who uses a sword and shield?

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>>152713067
>CCS
All bleed weapons are bullshit, that's a problem I'll agree.
>Longsword
Nice meme
>Dark Sword
Rare drop from difficult enemy
>Lothric Knight Sword
See Dark Sword
>Raw Mailbreaker
Now I'm being trolled.

When is the last time you have ran or been in a fight club? No one fucking uses the Dark Sword anymore, for example. You want to complain about stupid ass weapons? Here, my turn to bitch about common shit, considering I've ran like 40 fight clubs this week. Dragonslayer Swordspear, Dragonslayer Greataxe, Profaned Greatsword, the Estoc, and weirdly, Firelink Greatsword have shown up like a hundred times more than your meme weapons you grabbed a list of from reddit.

>>152712827
Why do you guys keep saying goes he wanted to start the age of the abyss?

He was getting stronger to prepare for whatever dangers the abyss brought

>>152713510
But that wasn't the argument. It was "lategame weapons are better because they are from lategame bosses!". Don't move goalposts when you have been thoroughly assblasted.

>>152711791
>1
favorite: ortorios
least favorite: sanctuary guardian

>3
favorite: twin princes
least favorite: crystal sage

>>152712091

>I don't believe I'm that whole "forced to link the fire"

I actually think that this might be the purpose of the Soul of Cinder. Not only does it act as the flame's guardian, but it also force feeds potential linkers into the fire. Aldrich might have showed up to put out the fire and bring on an age of the abyss, but the SOC beat the shit out of him and threw him onto the fire.

>>152713352
someone post the banned from fc list

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>>152711791
>Favorite
Allant, O&S, Velstadt, Princes
>Least favorite
Dragon God, Bed of Chaos, Gank Squad, Wyvern

DaS2 favorite could have been Alonne but the run-up ruined my mood and I ended up summoning dudes

>>152713656
>secret fight clubs

Keep deflecting bitch

>>152713679
>he would devour the gods himself
it wasn't that he needed to for his own sake. he saw it as a task to be done and he was able

>>152713345
>That was sarcasm
I could tell, it was obvious. Read again:

>If you kill them, you take their cinders back to burn in the kiln again. Prince Lothric didn't want to link the fire, so that would be counterproductive.

>Fucking barely
And yet, what I said was still fact. Lothric's cinders are the only ones that don't claim he ever linked the fire.

>And succeeded by fucking around with the Angels or something
Bullshit, the angelic faith was branded as heresy and there's god damned fights breaking out between them. Lothric Castle used light spells such as Blessed Weapon, the Lothric's Holy Sword, and Lothric's own spells, but Gertrude's angels and stuff weren't allowed.

>But there is plenty that shows he did
See this other anon's post >>152708298

By the way, I hate this zebraposting shit you keep trying. It breaks down an argument into little bite-sized chunks and handles them separately, but makes it too easy to ignore the core idea behind the argument being made. It's like debate for idiots who can't manage full discussion.

>>152713615
You can go fuck yourself because there's no reason to do that anymore since Demon's souls came out like a zillion years ago and we've had enough constant sword shitters.

Swords weren't even fucking good in battle. Everything was about hammers fucking up heavy and polearms. Cunts used their swords more like hammers.

I'll accept "Knight" roleplays when fromsoft makes longswords play more like they really did, with pommel bashes, halfhand smashes etc mixed in.

Currently they're just a boring "back and forth back and forth, doing the dishes, washing the car" baby friendly moveset.

>>152713437
>>152713702
Not him but I actually see a lot of people using it.

The AR isn't awful for a regular Greatsword on a Quality build, and IIRC the fire damage actually DOES scale.

>>152713679
You mean aldrich personally? Probably.

Its his followers that seem to be outright worshiping the abyss.

>>152713352
>trying this hard to fit in

>>152713979
we get it, you think youre better than them

>>152714041
Hollowslayer and BKS are pretty much the most common greatswords. I've seen the FLGS only on pyro builds.

>>152712916
So was he deceived in a similar fashion to the CU about what linking the fire actually meant and instead thought that becoming a lord of cinder would grant him power?

Yhorm had a hard life, and he didn't deserve any of it
>be king of a bunch of ungrateful shitheads that don't like or trust you at all
>do it anyways because muh chivalry
>lead them to glory and victory on the battlefield, fighting on the front lines
>they still don't appreciate you
>become known as Lonely Yhorm because of how isolated you are
>your one friend gets wasted somehow, leaving you even more isolated than before
>some witch bitches cast some kind of fire nuke that's burning the city alive
>grab that shit and head to the Kiln, to meet your fate as a Lord of Cinder
>even leave behind your personal Anti-Me meme weapon as a show of trust, they still hate you
>dump yourself and the Flame into the first flame to try and quiet it
>it doesn't even fucking work and the Flame goes back to destroy the city of ungrateful shitheads that didn't even like you in the first place

>>152713906
>secret fight clubs

It's called summoning a shitload of reds outside of pontiff you stupid fucking degenerate.

>is wrong about weapons that normal people use in fight clubs
>b-but that's not a REAL fight club

nice no true scotsman you fucking fag shit eater

>>152713979
Swords were for killing people who didn't wear armor. The majority of people in an army could not afford armor, and mass production wasn't good enough to outfit an entire fighting force. Chainmail was used because it was effective at stopping the ever-popular swords and was cheap and easy to produce, but it still couldn't be made fast enough to turn swords useless. Pommel strikes and such were used as a workaround against armor for people who couldn't afford more than a sword.

Long story oversimplified, swords were the most common and popular weapon back then because the front-line grunts were cannon fodder who were too poor to afford sword-proof armor, and swords were cheap and easy to make.

>>152714376
This entire argument was about weapon efficiency and imbalance. But your retard ass moved goalposts to the moon.

>>152714367
at least he had a cool machete

>>152713656
>DSGA
>fucking DSGA

>>152714125
No, I think nothing of them in terms of skill level. There is literally no rating on the chart. Anyone who uses a straightsword in das3 especially is automatically playing the game on autopilot in my opinion. If they won in PVP, they didn't actually win. The other guy just lost to an autowin weapon. If the other guy manages to beat hte straight sword, than HE is good. If the straight sword wins, I shrug and say "yes, that happened again".

I don't think I'm good at all. I think they're not even playing the game, they're just finger mashing their way through it. Like I said, it's the EZ mode for plumbers and part time gamers and people who play FIFA and Just Dance. Anyone who uses that boring unfun R1 > Credits playstyle is a fuckhead.

>>152713352
Not reading all this. Here's a free you.

I use SS because the balder side sword was the first weapon I found that seemed to scale off of dex on my first dark aouls character.

After using BSS throughout my first playthrough I would just use weapons with a similar moveset every game

>>152714367

Could be wrong, but I felt that the profane flame wasn't exactly what burned down the profane capital. Rather it was the first flame that did (linking the fire causes a rather explosive outcome as the first game shows)

Or you could be right and he did fail. Don't Giants have a different origin than the pygmies? (they came from the archtrees or something?)

>>152714606
>Platinum mad : the post

>>152714487
But that's not true you idiot.

>someone bitches that their common weapon is worse than a strong, lategame boss weapon
>point out why that is
>HURRRRR THEN WHY ARE THESE THE META WEAPONS WHY DOES EVERYONE USE THESE WEAPONS INSTEAD WHY ARE THESE SO OP
>point out that from experience, no, people do not use those weapons, and generally use lategame weapons with the exception of a few, as lategame weapons are naturally stronger than early game ones
>WOW UR A FAGGOT YOUR EXPERIENCE DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO
>point out that no, that's not true.
>WOW STOP MOVING GOALPOSTS

I really cant comprehend how a human can be this much of a faggot

>>152714606
get a gf, trust

so what time will the DLC be announced

>>152714606
I'll give you a hint anon.
Every weapon in 3 is a boring R1 spam to win PvE.
Also, if you gimp yourself in PvP, you aren't a better player for losing to a strong weapon, nor are they necessarily bad for winning with it. Heck, SS aren't even that perfect outside of Gotthard's

>>152714924
tomorrow

>>152714924
Officially tomorrow.

>>152714303
But FLGS is a quality weapon. Both damage types and the WA scale solely off of STR and DEX. Pyros using it would be exceeding weak.

>>152714686
You are the person I was talking about.

A boring, unfun, shitty person. Who uses what they know, doesn't try new things, beat the other game R1'ng and just wants to keep doing that.

Literally anyone who uses straightswords as their main weapons is a boring unfun cuntrag.

A shitter and didn't want to think about spacing and timing attacks, you just want to press R1 and kill the bad men.

>>152714726
well, the whole "burn everyone alive and leave the surrounding structures untouched" is certainly the Profaned Flame's MO, and we know that it descended upon the city and destroyed it (killing everyone inside, you still see the corpse piles lying everywhere). We also know that Yhorm became a Lord of Cinder and met his fate as one in an attempt to get rid of it, yet the Flame descended from the clouds to nuke the city. To me, that implies that Yhorm tried carrying it away from the city and destroying it, but he failed, and the Flame returned to fuck shit up by way of the sky. Because Yhorm specifically "met his fate" as a LoC while doing so, to me this implies that he tried dumping the Profaned Flame in the First Flame and seeing if the first flame overwhelmed it it didn't

>>152714941
no man, gotthard's is B+LB. see, there's variety

>>152714862
>point out that from experience, no, people do not use those weapons, and generally use lategame weapons with the exception of a few

But that's where your completely and utterly wrong.

Reds wanting to duel at specific level aren't the 90% of other people who just invade, PVE and gank you imbecile.

Try having some common sense before spouting retarded nonsense to defend an imbalanced and broken game.
Or stay mad and delusional.
Makes no difference.

>>152714969
>>152714971
but at what TIME tomorrow?

>>152715017
Just stating my observations. Maybe they just like the fire-theme

>>152714971
>>152714969
>it's already Wednesday because >time zones
Fucking Bamco and their vagueries

>>152714862
>thinking meta weapon = strong weapon

Most top tier weapons are found very early. You can get LKS in the first area, estoc in the second, hollowslayer after 3 bosses, lucerne for free and at the start of the game, CCS mid game, RHH at the start.
Heck, outside of katanas and Gotthard's, you can get most top tier weapons very very fast.

Just because you see few peopel with a weapon doesn't make it weak or a popular weapon good

>>152714941
You cannot play DaS3 r1 spamming with any heavy or great weapon.
My first playthrough was with straight swords and curve swords. My second was with great club and despite the damage it does, it was a rough ride, but way more memorable. I wish i never played the game with straight swords the first time. It flew by too quick and wasn't even remotely hard and didn't scratch my itch.

Sucks because I never used them in any of the other games, it's just what I started with in 3 as the knight so I kept using it. I blame From for making the Knight class too ideal stat wise and for making the STR starting weapons kinda fucking assy.

>>152715184
Not him, but weapon balance is irrelevant in PvE. Balance and "tiers" are only relevant when it comes to one on one duels.

>>152715240
in 12 hours probably

How do I DEX/INT

>>152713969
>>If you kill them, you take their cinders back to burn in the kiln again. Prince Lothric didn't want to link the fire, so that would be counterproductive.
Yeah, and what the fuck does this have to do with 'planning to die' somewhere?

>And yet, what I said was still fact. Lothric's cinders are the only ones that don't claim he ever linked the fire.
The implication is still there.

>Bullshit, the angelic faith was branded as heresy and there's god damned fights breaking out between them.
Yes, which is why the means the royal family resorted to were 'unspeakable.' The Angelic Faith was heretical, but they still experimented with their magic and miracles. Gertrude was locked up in the Grand Archives, and the Scholars experimented on her chime. Lothric's boss room is full of feathers, and he has a unique brand of brightly coloured sorceries. The only thing that resembles them is Pillars of Light, an angelic miracle.

>See this other anon's post >>152708298 (Cross-thread)
I'll have to relisten to the Firekeeper's dialogue because I don't recall her ever calling you a Lord of Cinder. The terms 'becoming a lord' and 'linking the fire' are used almost synonymously in the game. It's ridiculous to say that 'Lord of Cinder' is just a powerlevel reference because that would mean all sorts of fuckers could be 'Lords of Cinder.' You wouldn't call pre-linking Gwyn a Lord of Cinder just because he was powerful, would you?

And that post still fails to explain why he sets on fire or why he calls the room his grave. And if Lord of Cinder is just a powerlevel thing, then why is dropping Cinders of a Lord unique to them? Why wouldn't Nameless King or Sulyvahn or someone drop them?

>By the way, I hate this zebraposting shit you keep trying
Too bad? I'm talking about the lore of a video game with you on 4chan, mate, I'm not writing a dissertation. Don't respond to me in kind if you don't like it so much.

>>152715110

>"burn everyone alive and leave the surrounding structures untouched"
> the Flame descended from the clouds to nuke the city

I feel dumb for missing these two points.
Still, was the fact that Yhorm was a giant screw up the linking or am I reading too much into that?

Also the profane flame is a combination of the old chaos flame and the abyss right?

>>152715539
Rush Crystal Sage, grab the Rapier, and then level DEX and INT

>>152715539
The same way everyone has since the beginning of time.

Katana pokes and homing shit mass.

>>152715589
>Still, was the fact that Yhorm was a giant screw up the linking or am I reading too much into that?
well, he did link the fire properly. he just failed at stopping the Profaned Flame. So 50% is an F, I guess.

>the Profaned Flame is a combination of Chaos and the Abyss
this is what I believe too

>>152715074
I have multiple characters on every game and they all use different weapons and styles.

My first character is always going to use a BSS type weapon.

>>152715562
Since we are on the topic of the twin princes, did Prince Lothric's decision not to link the fire cause another civil war in Lothric between the three pillars? I could have sworn that I saw a blue caped knight surrounded by red caped knights implying the blue slaughtered the reds

>>152715480
Yes you can, you got some gigantic poise break and can HA a ton of stuff.
For instance, if you don't easy mode parry Pontiff, you can R1(tank his flying slash) R1-R1 (his poise breaks) R1- roll and that's almost half his HP gone, and then you do it again when he stuns or summon a clone. Same for other bosses like Champ or NK. Your only exceptions become very mobile ones like princes.

Though, I'll correct myself there, the whips and fist classes aren't R1 mashing ones. Maybe scythes because they have no HA for their speed but I haven't done my scythe playthrough yet

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I have only recently started playing DaS 3.
I currently have my longsword at +6. Is it worth using a lightning gem or something on it, or should I save it for a different weapon? I'm currently up against the dancer and I'd like my weapon to do a bit more damage without using resin all the time.

>>152715971
I was always under the impression that the blue surcoat just showed a higher rank of knight, but I have recently been seeing this theory that Lothric ended up causing another civil war, with his guys being the blue knights as well as Albert, Kriemhild and Kamui, and Emma on the other side in charge of the traditional red knights. I don't know if it's really what the game was intending to show but I certainly find it interesting. Hell, because Lothric seems to be connected to the angels and his knights wear blue - like the Winged Knights - maybe they joined the Angelic side in the ongoing civil war.

>>152716121
elemental infusions are ass in this game unless you're a pyro and infuse with dark or chaos
always

>>152716121
Throw the lightning gem into that bitch and enjoy not only the sound effects but the damage too

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Been testing out OBS Studio

It's just about better for recording everything except DaS3 than what I was previously using, oddly enough. Framerate won't stay stable at all for some reason. The main advantage is that the output files aren't xbox huge like I'm used to, but 99% of the time I use Handbreak to compress anyways.

To make this post less pointless here is the Firelink Greatsword blowing things up.

>>152715562
For someone so willing to use sarcasm and waste your time on name calling, you sure are slow-witted.

>Oh yeah, which is why they're so willing to let you kill them?
>If you kill them, you take their cinders back to burn in the kiln again. Prince Lothric didn't want to link the fire, so that would be counterproductive
>Yeah, and what the fuck does this have to do with 'planning to die' somewhere?

This is obvious, guy. Come on now.

Prince Lothric's light spears are the same ones that the grub sorcerers cast, complete with the Saint Bident prongs on the end. The homing lightspark spam is unique to him (more like a reskin of Aldrich magic version, but we'll let that slide), and all the feathers around his boss room are indicative of angelic magic. Alright, I'll give you that one.

I'll have to watch the boss fight again, because I don't recall Prince Lothric being on fire. Lorian's sword was on fire, but that's because he killed a chaos demon with it. But if "Lord of Cinders" is a title that has to be granted and is given only to those considered strong enough to link the fire, other powerful characters not dropping "Cinders of ___" has nothing to do with it. Cinders of (character so-and-so) is literally just that: cinders of a character who was designated as fit to be kindling for the first flame. I don't agree with the power level thing, but it's clear someone's going around deciding who's fit to be a lord just from what Hawkwood says.

>>152715708
>well, he did link the fire properly. he just failed at stopping the Profaned Flame. So 50% is an F, I guess.

I always just assumed that only souls that originated from the first flame could link it and that giants had some other origin aside from the first flame.

The reason that Yhorm failed is that he must have known the profane flame was abyssal in nature and the first flame is necessary to keep any dark related at bay.
But considering chaos is part of the profane flame, linking the fire was not ever going to work.

>>152716516

>I'll have to watch the boss fight again, because I don't recall Prince Lothric being on fire.

Not him but in the mid-battle cutscene Lothric joins in you can see he and Lorian both enter 'ember form' at the end of it and Lorian's sword gets slightly more on fire then before.

>>152716340
>>152716348
I'm getting mixed messages here. What about raw and heavy? Are those worth anything? I'm only thinking of lightning because it was OP as fuck in DaS 1. I don't know shit about the buffs in this game.

>>152716542
Technically speaking, all souls come from the first flame. Lord souls were just the biggest ones.

Dark Souls 1 lore is very clear on this.

>>152716542
Giants have souls in DaS2, anon. If it's got a soul, it can burn that soul for the first flame.

To my knowledge, there are no souls that don't come from the first flame, since souls as a concept originate from there.

>>152716707
Well, that would be conclusive, then.

Is using elements on my weapons good in DaS2:SOTFS, or shall I go 40/40. I'm quite enjoying dual wielding

>>152716961
DaS2 was the only game besides Bloodborne where putting an element on your weapon didn't make it weaker, because you could then cast buffs on them for a % increase to the elemental damage.

>>152717105
Are there some elements that are better than others? I find poison/bleed to be really underwhelming even though they aren't strictly elements

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>people who clap after a close match

>>152717237
It's not always sarcastic.

>>152715971
That was the Winged knight and take into consideration that the "red knight corpses" are just empty armours.

>>152717364
It is when they use it 3 times in a row

>>152717236
They aren't elements at all, and that's why people never use 'elements' to refer to them. They're status effects, and anything you could infuse with a status effect would do better with bleed or poison resin.

>>152716282

>I was always under the impression that the blue surcoat just showed a higher rank of knight

It does and there is an item description to that effect.
But given the fact I am almost sure of the fact I saw one blue knight surrounded by dead red ones and the fact that Prince Lothric seems to use angelic based miracles, it certainly looks like some infighting must have broken out between the three pillars of rule.

I just can't believe that Prince Lothric could refuse to be a lord of cinder without consequences. His kingdom worships firelinking as indicated by all the statues of headless knights decapitating themselves and the basin of vows being a replication of the lordvessel.

And then there pontiff sulyvahn who may have been the scholar pillar of Lothric before he went FullDeep.

Just what the hell was going on in this place anyways?

>>152716961
Elemental infusions in DaS2 are fucking baller, because they can amplify each other. Like, if a weapon already innately does Lightning damage (like any of the Heide weapons), infusing it with a Boltstone will only slightly decrease its physical damage but will boost its lightning damage noticeably. And then using a lightning buff on it (Sunlight Blade or Gold Pine Resin) will add lightning damage and boost any already existing lightning damage.

>>152717236

Fire is generally the weakest both in PvE and PvP because a lot of enemies later on have high fire defense especially in the DLCs and it's very easy to get fire defense at the cost that fire damage and buffs are very cheap to use. Dark damage is generally the best element in terms of most players having the least resistance to it even at base INT/FAI use of it.

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>>152717416
Maybe you are the only one that thought that it was a close match.

>>152711791
>Demon's
honestly don't know, haven't beaten it because no ps3 and the bosses I fought weren't that hard

i guess maneaters or flamelurker, don't have a least fav

>DaS1
fav: drake & josh
least fav: probably all the lost izalith/demon ruins bosses
>DaS2
fav: Sinh
lease fav: Royal Rat Authority (quite literally the worst boss in the entirety of souls)
>DaS3
fav: the Champ
least fav: Curse-rotten Greatwood
>BB
fav: Ludwig
least fav: Micolash

>>152717416
maybe it was a REEEALLY close match?

>>152717450
I can believe it. The royal family dumped all their resources into making a suitable lord to the point of sacrificing two sons, and they couldn't exactly whip up another one on short order. Also, even though Lothric was frail the combination of him and Lorian was strong enough to qualify as a Lord, so if they want to physically stop him from doing anything they'd need something else at least as strong as a Lord of Cinder is.

Lothric can refuse to link the fire without consequences because he's irreplaceable and there's nobody strong enough to stop him anyways.

>>152716752
>>152716773
I haven't played Dark Souls 2 (yet), so giants having souls caught me offguard there.

Still, are giants are related to the archtrees? I hope I'm not getting screwed up with that too.

>>152717884
Giants turn into trees, at least. What specific type of tree isn't stated.

>>152717450
The "blue knight surrounded by dead red ones" is at High Wall with a Winged Knight, but most of the "dead" red knights are empty armors. There are some dead Winged Knights with weapons stuck into them too, though.

>>152717937
I always thought that the curse-rotted Greatwood was a corrupted giant tree

>>152717723
>there's nobody strong enough to stop him anyways.

Doesn't mean they didn't try (and fail).

I hit all my soft caps for the stats I want, what should I put my extra souls into endurance?

>>152718039
Who knows? Hollows turn into trees too, apparently.

>>152716516
>This is obvious, guy. Come on now.
Yeah sorry dude I'll straight up admit I'm being retarded and not following you here. Do you mean Lothric wanted to head off somewhere secluded and top himself there so that you couldn't kill him in person and take his cinders?

I definitely thought Lothric's light spears looked more like white and gold crystal spears rather than Saint Bidents. Maybe I wasn't looking close enough. Think Rosaria and the grubs are linked to the Angels too, maybe? There's one under Gertrude's cage, after all, and again Fromsoft tends to be pretty consistent on how they colour magic and souls.

Yeah, Lorian's sword is on fire because he killed the 'demon prince.' Those flames make it kind of hard to see, but Lothric himself definitely does light on fire. If you look for the Princes' cut scenes on YouTube, or a video of a fight, it should be visible.

I don't think anyone goes around declaring people Lords of Cinder. What authority would be above all of the Lords of Cinder, and be around in all the right places at the right time to declare Gwyn, Yhorm, etc. to be worthy of the title? And, I always interpreted the 'they' in Hawkwood's little blurb about Aldrich to be the rest of the Cathedral of the Deep and the Archdeacons, possibly whoever was above them at the time (Pontiff or Gwyndolin, maybe?). Aldrich had a lot of raw power but I don't think in his blobular form he was actually capable of all that much, and a whole bunch of miracle wielding clerics may have been able to shephard him to wherever he needed to be to get set on fire.

>>152717236
Poison is ridiculous in DaS2. Dual poison whips are a valid choice for pvp.
Bleed is super underwhelming.

>>152718230
>What authority would be above Lords of Cinder?
Primordial Serpents who knew Gwyn personally?

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>>152716359
For all that effort, your webm is the shittest quality and framerate one I've ever seen.

I just use shadowplay and webm for retards.

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>>152718146
The Pilgram butterflies you mean?
There is sooo little to go on with them lorewise. I assumed that they were inhabitants of londor that were infected with the abyss and cast out like lepers.

The butterflies and the pus of man may be related somehow. Like some stage of transformation or metamorphosis?

>co-oping for queelag
>hosts don't know about her aoe attack

EVERY TIME

>>152718230
>Do you mean Lothric wanted to head off somewhere secluded and top himself there so that you couldn't kill him in person and take his cinders?
Yes, that.

It's bizarre that the grubs cast what appears to be light sorceries. Don't know what to make of it, other than an implied connection between Rosaria and the 'angels'.

Well, if there's anyone with the authority to name people a Lord of Cinder, I'd imagine it'd be Kingseeker Frampt. I'm just speculating, but it does fit his agenda and MO.

>>152718505
I was talking about the trees you see around High Wall of Lothric. They're kind of creepy.

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>>152718448
That's the curious thing

Even though OBS is better for everything else, doesn't create unreasonably large file sizes, etc. it doesn't record DaS3 well

Fraps does fine though

>>152718569
>its her longest wind up attack
>people still swinging mindlessly

i lose hope for humanity everyday

>>152718758
those are the cocoons to the Pilgrim Butterfly's butterflies, anon.

notice that the Londor Pilgrims have tree branches and shit sticking out from under their turtle shells, and that the Butterflies themselves look like they're made out of wood

>>152718806
Your framerate is still pretty god damn bad here. Fraps is a serious hog, and it's old shit.

If you have a nvidia gpu just use shadowplay. It uses the inbuilt .264 encoder on the chip to save pretty much flawless footage, but it is precompressed as mp4's, but it's good for the filesize.

Otherwise get a dedicated capture card if you want proper source quality footage without impacting performance

>Playing DLC when it comes out in October
>See a corpse in Faraam Armour with an item
>"Ring of Martial Power"
>Allows you to use a weapon's full moveset when weilded in your offhand

Would you be hyped?

When did linking the fire become so popular in /dsg/? Don't you know how useless you're being?

>>152718634
Thinking further:

Gwyn commanded his children to shepherd the humans, which is what team Gwyndolin and Frampt were doing in DaS1. Gwyndolin was still alive in DaS3 right up until Aldrich ate him, and as Kaathe is still in the picture I would assume Frampt is as well. Gwyndolin and Kaathe would then be the people with the authority to name a Lord of Cinder, and simply continuing the scheme they had in DaS1. A god and his primordial serpent.

Of course, if Yuria never mentioned Kaathe's name, there'd be about as much evidence for his involvement as there is for Frampt's. This is all very interesting.

>>152718995
The butterflies also look like they're made out of fire, and the cleric's set says the turtle shells are to prevent them from becoming seedbeds for darkness.

>>152719236
>The butterflies also look like they're made out of fire, and the cleric's set says the turtle shells are to prevent them from becoming seedbeds for darkness.
black flames, take a closer look at the fireballs they throw at you. it's pure darkness with an orangish coating

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>stone flesh makes you more dragon than the dragon stones
>you even have negative lightning resistance

BRAVO MIYAZAKI
R
A
V
O

>>152718995
I just hate how little there is to go on lorewise with the pilgrim butterflies.

Why are the pilgrims from londor transforming into them? Is it because of the abyss? Is that why they were sent on a pilgrimage to begin with? Does this implies the age of hollows isn't going to work because londor will eventually be overrun by the abyss?

But these things only get mentioned in like one item description.

>>152719064
Shouldn't be a fucking ring for that.

They should fix their fucking shit game instead.

Also, replace the fist moveset/bare handed moveset with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QDU7wg7Cv8

>>152719529
IMO, yes to all 3 of those things, anon

>londor will eventually get run over by the abyss
not if we build a wall!

>>152719462
DEEPEST LORE

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>>152719030
Framerate is bad there because it's maximum graphics on a shit build

>>152719529
They were flying into the dark sign(sun)

>>152719713
>not if we build a wall!

What do you think the high wall is anon?
Didn't fucking keep out those immigrants/fanatics now did it?

>>152719462
Dragon stones give you neg zap def too. Imho, there should be something like a dragon scale equivalent, by which defence and looks while in dragonform would be governed.

>>152719930
>implying that the High Wall of Lothric is what keeps out the Abyss
>implying that Lothric is Londor
I am going to build a Great Wall around the Abyss, anon, and Darkstalker Kaathe is going to pay for it!

On a scale of Fire Keeper to Big Hat Logan, how crazy would I have have to be to try dual weilding both pontiff swords in PvP?

>>152720079
Absolute Sillyman tier

>>152720079
Belfry gnome tier

>>152720079
do it while wearing the court sorcerrer set
became the absolute cosplayer

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>>152717982

Found an image, not so great, but it does seem that there is a dead knight or two next to him.

Could just be a sign of him being hollowed from the looks of it.

>>152720246
>>152720398
>>152720448
Let me beat Irithyll and grab another pontiff soul and some titanite scales and then I'll fucking do it

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>>152720031
>when ya boi Donaltorias vows to make Lordran great again and all the Hillary Gwyndon and Bern"ing alive to link the flame" supporters get triggered

>>152720624
>Donaltorias turns out to be a meme knight who actually fails and has a made-up reputation
just like in real life!

>>152720448
nigga what the fuck are you doing, ill give you my aldrich soul if you want it, i think i can give you the both on the two characters that i am currently playing
fucking kill pontiff while wearing his own s hit
show him who the real pontiff is

>>152720603
Can you even shoot beam with offhand gsoj? Or just block and light attack?

>>152720815
>Sillyman wears the court sorcerer set
u wot

>>152720815
I'm on ps4 my dude, chances are you're on PC and I can't do that.

Also need scales out the ass so gotta at least grab the ashes from archdragon. Expect the full cosplay later today.

>>152720845
Block and LA.

>>152720960
Court sorcerer and pontiff crown is the closest you can get.

>>152721092
well fuck
would have love to help you out

>>152720960
is the closest youll get to cosplay him

Grand Archive is THE FUCKING WORST AREA IN ALL OF THE SOULS GAMES
IT ISNT EVEN FUCKING HARD IT IS JUST ANNOYING WITH ALL,THE BULLSHIT ENEMIES FREEZING YOU WITH WAX AND GREIRATS JUMPING ON YOUR HEAD
Stupid game.

Is there any connection between the Deep and the Abyss? Are they the same thing?

>>152711791
>Demon's
Fav - Maneaters
Worst - Dragon God

>DaS1
Fav - Manus
Worst - Bed of Chaos (Pinwheel runner up)

>DaS2
Fav - Sir Alonne
Worst - Prowling Magus

>DaS3
Fav - Nameless King (Champ right behind him)
Worst - Ancient Wyvern

>Bloodborne
Fav - Ebrietas
Worst - Micolash

Is there a PC FC on atm?
I tried hosting earlier but I got shouted at for hosting at a boring location and gave up

>>152721210
It's alright man, I'll be doing a full pontiff run by using CE to spawn all his gear on PC later.

PC version just runs like shit on my awful computer

>>152721301
>Grand Archive is THE FUCKING WORST AREA IN ALL OF THE SOULS GAMES

I can name three areas off the top of my head that are 100% worse.

>>152721301
Git staggered scrub

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>Miyazaki isn't a hack they said

so aside from price date and name, what else of the DLC do we know?

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>>152721534
No. And don't start one either.

so what's the official pvp SL in das3

>>152721943
Why do you dislike FCs anon?

>>152721301
>wow it's so stupid i couldn't even do anything

>>152721769
Explain to someone who never played ds II why this area is worse than blighttown, the demon ruins, and lost Izalith.

I'm legitimately curious.

>>152721942
Ice storm spell, sacred boomerang of light miracle and a greatsword buffed with "colourless flame" were apparently observed in the yet-to-be-released famitsu article

We also know that this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu1NCPMC7D0 will be the dlc trailer come tomorrow

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>>152722126
They're transparent. Once respectable things devolved into madness and bitter competition. They're so alienated from the original that a tournament player meta shits things up and Paddrick is still casually invited.

Don't host or join, for Natalya has killed these.

>>152722164
>Ice storm spell
>implying ice magic will be a thing
don't fuck with me

>>152722075
80 master race

>>152722134
Its huge
You can't see shit
Enemies are a pain in the ass
Difficult boss at the end with no bonfires on the way

>>152722257
Make frostbite great...for once

>>152721534
please host anon

what if yorshka's spear drained like 20 or 30 FP per hit

>>152721534
It wasn't a shit location, just a bad time. Try it when people are not busy with life, or weekends

>>152722134
You literally have your vision shrouded for like 27 seconds out of 30. So you have to find landmarks during the brief moments of clarity and run towards them while blind.

Lightning horses with attacks that can pretty much all stagger or knock you down spawn during the snowstorms, and will blindside you as you're running and then shoot lightning at you as you try to run away. They can spawn infinitely and also two at a time if you run in the wrong direction.

At the end of it all you face a dual boss that can easily fuck you over by yourself, and once you die you start all over at the beginning and have to run the gauntlet again.

>>152721339
They're not the same thing.

Deep is based on a Japanese concept that basically encompasses things in the world that are fucking awful/terrifying but still serve a purpose or are just like disgusting by nature.
Abyss is Darkness on steroids and is the state of the world without fire. Pretty different to Deep.

Also sick of people thinking that Deep and Abyss are the same, WHY would they call them two different names if it's the same thing. So fucking redundant.

>>152722826
>Abyss is Darkness on steroids and is the state of the world without fire
backwards senpai. a world without fire isn't inherently corrosive and murderous like the Abyss. deep is world without fire (the natural power of the dark soul, I guess), abyss is wild and mutated deep (what happens when the dark soul goes out-of-control like the Witch's soul)

>>152710581
yeah I invaded alongside him and he lagged out and killed me for no reason

hey mates, need some ideas of interesting but criminally underused weapons in das3

Why haven't game journalists asked from HOW POISE WORKS and not IF IT'S WORKING

Why is FROM even keeping it secret? It's a game mechanic for gods sake!

>>152711791
fav - pontiff

least fav - bow and arrow -sorry i meant aldrich

If Dark Magic is channeling the user's humanity, then why is it that I can cast it while hollow and having 0 humanity on the counter?

>>152723337
We know how it works fucktard.

It's absorption for hyper armour.

what the pvp meta

>>152723337
Japs love this
>improved game balanced
>fixed performance issues

The best part? They don't need to care about being objective not even a little because they have your money and you can be damn sure this won't affect the DLC sales.

They just typed random stuff for the poise code

>>152721534

I'm up for one now if you host somewhere at the mid or early game.

>>152723631
soldering iron

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>>152723631
120-125

CCS, Washing Pole, Estoc
Bleed, Blessed Weapon

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I finally +5'd my Hollowslayer Greatsword. My Lucatiel outfit is complete. I am about to tackle the Twin Princes.
Also Xbox takes blurry screenies.