/domg/ Dominions 4 General

First for aboleth traps.

2nd for bullying

Game: MemeOfTheAges
Turn number 16
Next turn due: 20:48 GMT on Monday August 22nd

Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Ashdod 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

>>152556117
ah, so I guess the test game I did where I got two and the Visitor in the first two years will never be replicated?

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>>152556862
Problem is, it's random so you don't know if you can replicate that. All in all you should be able to, but don't expect fantastic results in every game.

>SP arena event
>send my god in
>he finds that shitty amulet that gives him fool's luck
>middle of competition
>end up fighting a berserk prophet giant

Fuck I hate calling for my god

Reminder to join this: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Latus_3_Big_Trouble_In_Little_Ragha

And reminder that Ginnungagap fucked up again, so resend your pretender to this: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=GinnungagapLives
(it is now using another ME1.1 .dm which won't require renaming and should work fine)

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>>152557919
>Latus
Are the starts completely random?

>>152558682
Jesus, and I thought Der_Gotterdammerung was big. How the hell does this work? Are we all meant to start in the middle ring?

Also I kind of feel like trying out LA C'tis if nobody else wants them.

someone give me the rundown on magic enhanced

What are the big new late game options and how do they compare with tarts, summod iron drags, telkhines, and blood fuckery?

>>152559872
>summod iron drags
Actually how good are these anyway?

>>152559872
From what I'm reading, you get over 500 new spells, plus changes to existing ones plus more stuff cause it wasn't enough. The only rundown you get is reading about the mod yourself I think.

>>152557919

I'm tempted to join in as Xibalba again

>>152559391
Quite sure everyone starts in the middle plane, which is the normal world.

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>>152559872
You can summon some pretenders for each nation and everyone (IIRC) can summon frikken dragons

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I warned you, Shinu, my boy. All you had to do was stay the fuck out of it while I eat all my neighbors. Then you would've survived until mid-lategame spells. Now I have to waste my perfectly good chaff and mage turns on you.

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>>152559872
>>152560704
buffs Japan

>>152560968
Shinu is a girl tho

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Also, I'm apparently 1v5 now. Bring it on, bitches.

Also also, Vanheim, this is bad pretender design right here. As I understand it, you had to recall him after he died, but still. If you want some advice about MA Van, just ask ITT.

Also also also, Mari, this fucking army is going to die to skelespam, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. If you don't back off now I will post humiliating screenshots in the thread and be all smug about it. Shinu didn't listen, and now he's going to lose the game to backstabbing Machaka. Wizard assistance.

Also also also also, why is your whole army diseased? Watch those supplies, my dude. I mean, your N9 paladins will regen, but they still accumulate afflictions. And those crossbowmen just need a single Foul Vapors turn to die.

>>152561818
>>152560968
might want to tone down the damage control Ermor, cracks are showing man

>>152562790
Hey, I'm not the one who lost my last army and has 6 provinces.

>>152563264
Not true. Shinu has some provinces further to the west, including at least one underwater fort.

I'm still rooting for you, Mrs. Skeltal.

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>>152560968
Shinu mage & commander losses: 1180 gold
Ermor mage & commander losses: 0 death gems/gold

Shinu troop losses (I assume folspawns are from a random event): 20 earth gems (fall bears), ~1900 gold.
Ermor troop losses: fuck if I know, but there were 25 sacreds, so if it's dual/tribless then it's pretty significant. Other shit is just chaff. He didn't lose any lictors though.

Gem usage: unknown. My guess is that Shinu used magma evos and Ermor used shadowblasts.

Misc: Shinu temple loss (400 gold)

Outcome: major victory for Ermor.

Although Shinu still has a lot of mages, they were severely weakened in that battle, meaning that they need to recruit a lot of support troops to stop Ermor's skelespam/soak up shadowblasts until those mages can do damage.

On the other hand, Ermor, having lost most of its chaff needed for sieges, can raid with Dusk Elders, effectively denying their opponent income. Unless Shinu can somehow recruit cheap S1 mages to magic duel those, they have almost nothing that can stop skelespam raiding besides maybe fire elementals/magma evos.

Tactical advise: both players should send me gold and gems.

Thank you for choosing B.I.G. Analytics Society Syndicate. We're looking forward to working with you again. Send some gems plox.

>>152561818

Skele spam against massed crossbows is rather risky, they may target your mages as skeletons are pierce resistant and crossbows prefer squishier targets.

>>152564540
I like to unlive dangerously.

>>152557919
I have signed up as Ulm. I am probably going to regret this.

>>152557919
Is this a meme game ala DG?

I need to know if I should go with a tryhard build or a meme build.

>>152564939
do you want to be in a winning position on that bigass map, with faggots running stealth parties or raining armageddons?

meme build is more fun.

>>152561818
>1v5 now
Yes, that is how it properly done.
I am glad that I am in the same game as all those adequate gentlemen.

>>152564540
Exactly that.
Mari use the order for crossbowmen just Fire. That way they may start targeting mages.

>>152565726
Speaking of, what happens if I make archers Fire at Cavalry and the cav then dies, does it revert to normal "Fire" or the default, no-orders version?

>>152560648
I just tried the map out in SP and I started once in Natura and once in the blood realm.

Ninai and Caesidh do your turns, only 20min left!

>>152566197
Ceasidh is Lambert, I'm pretty sure he's gone for like the next two weeks or so.

>>152566010
In my experience that is exactly how it works. But usually that "Fire" order will be executed as just targeting closest enemy formation.

>>152565726
Crossbowmen can't target units in the far row, so mages are safe there. Longbowmen can. And with Fire ... they sometimes target squares with most hp.

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>>152566274
Ah yes, I think someone said they'd be having a holiday in some Scottish island or some such, I guess that was Caesidh/Lambert.

We probably should find a standin. Chimori is the biggest threat by far but if Tashna decides to eat Caesidh without opposition, that's not good either. With new player in charge, maybe Tashna and Caesidh could even reconcile their differences and help against Chimori.

>>152566354
If the crossbowmen stand in the front row of your formation they can reach far row of the enemy, and with the order "Fire" they may be able to target troops which ordered to Guard Dusk Elders.

>>152566537
>If the crossbowmen stand in the front row of your formation they can reach far row of the enemy
Why the fuck would you ever do that? What if Ermor just decides to rush you with longdead horsemen?

>>152566490
If Ceasidh is gone, Tashna is going to eat him and Ninai along with him.

Since Tashna's superbirds are only very slightly less of a threat than Chimori is, and with everyone focusing on Chimori right now apart from a couple of backstabbing batlovers *couchNORRPINGcough*, that means Tashna is a shoe-in for winning the game.

>>152566607
Just order the knights to intercept the horsemen, and the battle is yours.

>>152566490
How about the Admin? It's not like his More guys are doing anything and he can probably be impartial.

>>152566707
If the screen posted by Ermor is correct, his crossbowmen have 3 hitpoints. And considering that disease decreases hp by 10% each month, Ermor just needs 3 turns to win without fighting a single battle.

And how are you going to counter shadowblast? Let's suppose that crossbowmen will try to shoot at mages, but they're ethereal. Perhaps they will kill half of them, but the other half will just one-shot everything and bring paladins to seriously low hp. You don't fight battles like that without mage support, and 4 witch hunters can't be considered that.

Either way, post battle reports.

>>152566197
Whoa, they did their turns after all.

>>152567848
I did my turn immediately after I saw >>152566197.

I almost forgot about it, thanks for the warning.

What nation can do well with few provinces and turtle until it becomes a beast?
Or, less noobish question, how the fuck do i defend my conquered stuff well as Arco?

>>152568451
>What nation can do well with few provinces and turtle until it becomes a beast?
MA Ermor?

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>>152561818
Wow someones mad, its okay you should've cherry picked more, seeing as only about 50 of my total army is like that; the rest is still shit ton of xbows and men at arms are still 100% healthy, wheres the screenshots of my mages with aids and all that shit senpai? Right they are totally healthy you fucking troglodyte

>>152568451
> how the fuck do i defend my conquered stuff well as Arco?

what do you mean?
it depends on what you are facing.

for reconquering provinces back against PD few mages summoning fire/earth/water elementals + mind burn should work. or just small troops + mind burn/stellar cascades/ any 100 precision shit you have.

>>152568583
>recruiting men-at-arms
Are you crazy? Are you out of your mind?

>>152568451
Arco isn't the most mobile nation, so the best you can do is build enough forts. Defend your forts, but don't bother actively defending non-fort provinces apart from putting a point of PD on them.

If someone attacks you, mobilise your fort armies and try to either stop the invading army head-on and/or punch right through his territory and force him to pull back and defend his own shit.

You'll lose a couple of provinces of course, that's inevitable, but while he's moving his army around you can just retake them with a small token force behind his back, since nobody's stupid enough to put a shitload of PD on every province they conquer.

>>152568451
A mod nation called Neritia can turtle very well.

>>152569039

oh u

>>152557919
3rd Pretender is the charm

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>>152568852
I also hope you have something planned for when I teleport in several S3's Grand Wizards to burn a cross in your frontyard, which is an analogy for mageduel spam.

>>152569593
>Mari shittalking
Go be a 0 win nation somewhere else.

>>152568852
Aren't they the only marignon unit with shields?

If you want a frontline which doesn't get pincusioned by your own crossbows, they sound like your best bet.

Hi. On trying to host GinnungagapReturns just now, Dominions crashed. This is not a LlamaServer issue, but rather Dominions itself crashed with a "Nagot gick fel" type error. The specific error was:

Något gick fel!
Unknown req_512 ()

>>152571245
DOOMED
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>>152557919
Joined with Marignon. This is gonna be some good memeing.

Is it normal that some connection on Flatus aren't accessible ? I just tested the map to take a hike on the planes, and my scout can't pass from some provinces to others. Is it a matter of planes being separated ? If s, why are there connections ?

>>152572678
IIRC those can only be used by teleporting units, or by using teleport rituals.

So, I have magus temple, best site ever!
the guys are e1f1s1
I want to communions into gifts of heaven spam
consider 10 of those mages
what is the best setup?
I used 8 slaves and 2 masters, erfpower then GoH all the way.
It felt... underefficient...
Anyone more experienced can shed a light please?
Also, I could get a sabbath master to cast reinvig and the battle will be in a magic scale 2.

-it is not a /domg/ game

Which age is the most played in multiplayer? I'd like to start playing MP, but first i'd like to know which nations to look up for the most played age.

>>152573563
Probably EA, then MA, then LA.

>>152573465
You need more casters to spam gifts, it's a powerful but not precise spell, so only two casters isn't enough to see good results.

>>152561818
>1v5

Good to see someone is more hated than me, even if only just.

Any good guide on C'tis for all ages?
I love reptilian necromancers, but have trouble in the early game.

>>152574474

If its any consolation it was hard for me to do too.

>>152574726
10 SKELETONS
20 GOTO 10

>>152574726
In early game, you're usually best off relying on the slaves since they get an extra bite attack that helps them tear through indies. Add some armored guys for arrow bait and stay away from cavalry provinces and you'll do ok.

C'tis isn't a great early game power and their expansion is never going to be top-notch, so if you're struggling, consider taking an Erf Snek or other awake pretender, since C'tis doesn't need a bless anyway. LA C'tis can do well with a heavy bless (often N9B9) with massed tomb snakes, but you can also forfeit the bless and spam chariots instead.

>>152575173
Thanks for the tips man.
I was thinking of an awake pretender too, but i'm just a sucker for good scales and late-game power, so i wanted to learn to expand at least decently while i conjure my evil magics.
How many elite slaves/armored lizards per army do i need to expand rapidly?

>>152571245
>>152571562
try email llamabeast.

are you using the same version of the magicenhanced mod as of this game http://www.llamaserver.net/admin.cgi?game=MagicEnhancedLAv2 ?

>>152575574
Erf Snek with E6 gives you enough points for good scales, and the E access it gives is quite useful to C'tis, but it's a good idea not to rely on an awake expander even while realising you do have that option.

As for numbers, 20-25 of them is often enough if you're good with positioning and you have some decent targets nearby. You'll almost always have some attrition though, so more isn't usually a bad idea. It kinda depends on what indies are near you and how much units you can produce every turn. On indie settings hihger than normal you'll almost be forced to take a snek since your expansion will be slow otherwise.

Honestly, the best advice I can give is to simply practice your expansion a lot in singleplayer. Just play on a random map for 12 turns, and try to improve the maximum amount of provinces you can get in that time by experimenting with different formations, different amounts of units, etc.

>>152558682
Pity it's LA and not MA. LA Flatus doesn't interest me in the least, while I'd jump to join an MA one.

>>152566664

>can barely keep my land together because getting attacked from two sides
>a shoe-in for winning the game

Nice try, Lambert.

>>152573465
Take 5 magi, have them be communion slaves.

Then take up to 12 magi, have them cast communion master. Have one of them cast Power of the Spheres, and have the rest cast Summon Earthpower. Then spam Gifts with all of them

Doing this will reduce fatigue per cast down to 1 for the slaves (in magic 2+), leaving you with 8-12 fatigue per turn. Earthpower will reduce that by 4 per turn, and once over 100 fatigue it will be reduced by another 5 fatigue per turn.

Even with a full set of 12 magi fatigue per round will be 8 until you reach 100, and 3 thereafter. Unless the battle goes extremely long your communion slaves will definitely survive it.

That setup should get you much more firepower, though it does require a few more mages.

>>152577446
>can barely keep my land together because getting attacked from two sides
>by a faggot who's going on holiday and won't be playing for a while, and an incompetent who is one-third your size, just barely managed to take 2 provinces because you were looking the other way, and has lost every single battle he fought against you
Come on, let's not pretend I don't have scouts all over everyone's land.

And besides, I didn't say you were going to win. I said you were going to win if Lambert starts staling. Which isn't a difficult prediction to make.

>>152564540
>skeletons are pierce resistant and crossbows prefer squishier targets.
Nope. That's not how archer targeting works. Mage targeting and archer targeting are different.

The reason archers prefer mages in skelly spam scenarios is that the skeletons appear after the mages, and therefore the mage is likely to have already been targeted.

>>152577635
thanks
I really have only 10 magi there and want to maximize GoH output.
>>152574306
The enemy army is in a blob, they will be pretty easy to hit

what about 4 slaves and 6 masters? with earthpower and PotS

Enemy army composition is 200 xbow, 100 iron corpses, 80blindfighters and some more entrance guards and assorted shit.
My guts tell me he wont attack, Id just like to set up a defensive position while my other parties are taking his last bits of lands.

While I am at it, I need to plan on the finishing blow. BTW, I am ragha and want a flashy battle. I have at my disposal some turan sorcs, dastur and seraphs.
It is the end of midgame, so I guess, post fun tactics

>>152577835
>by a faggot who's going on holiday and won't be playing for a while

So far he hasn't gone anywhere and is doing his turn just fine. That holiday post was a some faggot trying to meme everyone into going without Dominions for a week anyway.

>an incompetent who is one-third your size

I'm not nearly as big as you think I am (nor as competent for that matter) and I keep losing my provinces to Lamert's raiders. I'm having a hard time just staying alive and I see Chimori is already on my border with their eating of Ashia.

If you're seriously trying to imply that I'm anywhere near as dangerous as the bats, than I can do nothing else but laugh at you.

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>>152568583
>Troglodyte

>>152578298
>If you're seriously trying to imply that I'm anywhere near as dangerous as the bats
I never said that. I said that if you are allowed to eat Ceasidh and Ninai, you would be. Your sacreds are scary powerful, you've got a massive bless for them, and you have nearly full magic variety.

We're all lucky I'm not the only one who realised that and you're getting slowly pounded out of the game as we speak.

>>152578516

Y-you too

>>152578181
>I really have only 10 magi there and want to maximize GoH output.
4 slaves, 6 masters is probably your best bet then. Same tactics as the previous example. Fatigue per turn will be 12 using that setup.

So far nobody has posted in the Steam thread about needing a weeklong extension, until that happens I won't even consider it for obvious reasons (especially when everyone already posted there for the nations anyway).

He was going away the 25th allegedly, so maybe he's looking for a sub and therefore hasn't asked for the extension yet. That or it was just some memester who posted that to begin with.

>>152578854
Thanks mate
I hate doing maths, even if something simple like that
Guess I will never be good...

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What a salty memester.

>>152585379
It's better than just going AI, at least.

Admin, could you set Jomon AI. He has been staling since turn ~10.

>>152585379
A legitimate strategy desu senpai.

>>152557919

What exactly is "Unexpected Nation?"

Does a fortress pull resources from an adjacent province even if there is a river between it and the province?

>>152586630
Lemuria

>>152586634
Yes, year round even when they are not passable.

>>152585379
Well since I can't take your cap since it's underwater, how about I give you gold for that province and we both go on our way?

>>152587606
Sure, 70 g would be good.

>>152587952
Sorry, forgot the name.

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>notice nation of a game talking, even shitposting in the thread
>check game status
>Waiting for 2h file

>>152589083

Maybe they're shitposting from their phone?

Ermorian thread.

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you're all gonna lose and go ai as usual, i hope you realize that

>>152588070
Give yah 100 and some gems.

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>>152589418
>Do You Lead, or Micromanage? 6000 Skeletons of a Micromanager

>>152577635
>Rest cast summon earthpower
Wouldn't it make more sense to only have one master cast earth power so the other masters have a smaller chance of overloading the slaves?

I've googled this stuff, and it says that the Corpse Eater ability (the one by the raven and the dog of the underworld) doesn't give permanent max HP, it simply makes your current HP able to exceed up to 3 times your max HP.
Is this true or is it an actual max HP increase like Eater of the Dead?

>>152591212
Having a higher path scales down casting fatigue.

Since I am fighting Asphodel can I have my items Shinu? I need them more than never now.

>>152593003

There are some odd interactions with path level and communions. Having the masters have a lower pre-communion boost path than the slaves is actually generally advantageous, from a fatigue gen perspective.

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>>152594053
Shinu is dead.

>>152579701
He already found a sub

>>152594496
In the case of this chain, every mage has the same paths.
earthpower and PotS will migrate to the slaves and they will have higher level then the mages.
Considering the masters dont cast each earthpower + PotS. In this case, they would all have the same level.
Reinvig 4 is just a bonus

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=GinnungagapLives

SEND IN YOUR PRETENDERS ALREADY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>152596552
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Latus_3_Big_Trouble_In_Little_Ragha and this too fuck some steam shitter make a thread in the steam group, with the size Latus is we need all the people we can get.

>>152594496
According to the calculator at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OlzLT2bHI-Ldk5N8js4KoAPB1yof8G3FgXJEkaxNSoM/edit#gid=0 it doesn't matter whether the master uses Earth Power or not. Either way the slave takes 5 fatigue.

But if that's correct, I think not casting it with every mage is still preferable, since that means you can start spamming one turn earlier. And fatigue on the masters is less of a concern anyway, since they won't cast themselves to death.

>>152576173
I believe that is the one I used in this most recent remake.

>>152596552
As long as there are people willing to rejoin, I'll be willing to remake.
Hopefully won't be necessary a fourth time. I don't think it will though, I've got a good feelin about this one.

>>152596901
Joined

>>152597290
Don't self buffs on a master also get applied to each slave?

>>152597974

They do.

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>>152596901
Any fun nations left?

>>152598326
I just realized I've never played against or as Patala.
How are they?

>>152598326
>LA
>Magic Enhanced

Pass. May have been willing to suffer magic enhanced if it weren't LA, but watching Lemuria win again isn't that fun

>>152598529
Monkeys are awful troops but they have a really big mage in nagas and some great communion fodder in Yogis. It's a decent nation.

>>152598326
Patala
Ragha
Xib (taken)
Bogarus
C'tis

>>152598704
Even with ME Lemuria isn't anything special. You're just used to it being completely useless without ME and Summod that when it can actually win it seems OP.

>>152598836
No, I mean Lemuria *already* wins Flatus everytime. It was them that made the first admin quit the game, and them that won Flatus 2.

Ban Lemuria.

>>152592103
Here's some quick experimenting I've done.

MA Ermor, Raven of the Underworld with Corpse Eater (15), started with around 1000 corpses in capital, unfortunately they don't seem to generate as much as I wanted them to since the AI is shit at gathering troops.

Turn 1 : 92 HP
Turn 2 : 122 HP
Turn 3 : 153 HP
Turn 4 : 168 HP
Turn 5 : 198 HP
Turn 6 : 259 HP
Turn 7 : 290 HP
Turn 8 : 305 HP
Turn 9 : 320 HP
Turn 10 : 335 HP
Turn 11 : 350 HP
Turn 12 : 396 HP
Turn 13 : 411 HP
Turn 14 : 426 HP
Turn 15 : 441 HP
Turn 16 : 440 HP
Turn 17 : 455 HP
Turn 18 : 486 HP

Ran out of corpses around here. Turn 16 is when I moved to a nearby province with more corpses.

>>152597813
>As long as there are people willing to rejoin, I'll be willing to remake.

Shouldn't be an issue since pretenders are already done and all. The issue is having to wait ages because of restarts, I want to play damnit.

>>152599404
Can you test this as well?
Try a battle, and see if those 486 HP are permanent max HP (so you get back to full health 486HP) or if they are temporary and are reverted back to the HP you have after the battle (or your base max HP if you lost more than that health).

>>152596552
My apologies, I went in to work and neglected to check the thread until now.

>>152600960
Well first of all, HP growth seems to be random, or possibly related to dominion power/death levels. Started a new one and got to 214 health in just 3 turns.

During the first battle he was brought down to 130, but on the map he had 213. I am unsure if this was his HP regenerating, or getting doped up again because of all the corpses in the province, but at least I'm certain it doesn't revert back to initial HP.

Second battle he had 96 hitpoints before enemies started routing. After battle he has 228, but again there are corpses in the province.

After waiting for one turn it jumped from 228 to 274. I noticed at this point that he had one point of experience, I think it happened after the previous battle(Do units gain XP just by doing nothing?). Waiting another turn it only went up to 289.

Attacked another province, lowest health was 237, got limped, after battle he has 248.

One more province for science. Battle HP was 183. After battle HP was 304 (2 points of experience now though.)

>>152602589
Also Dom10 with the fear from D10 and 300 hp is a frightening combination, I just took 3 thrones and most of the indies on the map with just the crow.

>>152594053
Can you give me a full list of what you want?

>>152599472
I feel you man, this is my first time dealing with mod errors, and apparently this one has been particularly bad.

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The moment of truth approaches

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>It's that part of the game where you have to seige a dozen forts with a bunch of crap in them to make it more obnoxious to take them

Game: Magicka

Asphodel 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Jotunheim Waiting for 2h file
Marignon 2h file received
Nazca 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
Pythium Waiting for 2h file
Ulm 2h file received
Vanheim Waiting for 2h file
Ys 2h file received

Let's play spot the Wagecucks

one of them is me

>>152605850
Sing it with me, the song of Nik got fel

>>152606295
>tfw wagecuck
>tfw run home to do turns on half hour break
>tfw is probably why I suck because half my turns are done in less than five minutes

>>152598326
Pangea is pretty good. got extra yiff out of ME.

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Well, I guess this technically worked, shame it acts as a full fort.

Let's suppose I cast Acid Storm and Fire Storm at the same time. How fucked is my enemy?

>>152605850
Abysia 2h file received
>Berytos Waiting for 2h file
>Fomoria Waiting for 2h file
>Hinnom Waiting for 2h file
>Helheim Waiting for 2h file
Lanka 2h file received
>Niefelheim Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
>Ur Waiting for 2h file
Xibalba 2h file received

It approaches indeed, but at a snail's pace.

>>152603280

Skull staff and a thistle mace was what I need most. Maybe flaming skull if you can make them, I sure cant...

>>152603280
>>152607865

Oh and rods of the leper kking if you can. I have no actual undead commanders.

Is it a viable tactic to mass produce magic items to boost a bunch of mages or create a small army of pseudo-thugs decked out with fancy equipment?
Or are there always better uses for gems?

>>152608107
>>152607865
Coolio, expect them soon, aka sending next turn.

>>152608146

Those are both things it can be useful to do. Although it is situational, and depends on your nation.

MA Ulm, for example, can do extremely well with gear mass production, simply because a Master Smith with a hammer can produce a 5 gem item for one gem. And even for costlier things it's still a notable improvement in efficiency. This means you can gear up a thug significantly cheaper than anyone else.

>>152608146
Battle magic (casting fog warriors+army of gold/lead+mass regeneration+relief+gaia's blessing and such like costs a lot of gems in the long run, so does summoning elementals or spamming spells like Earthquake, particularly if the enemy can trigger gem usage in magic phase such that your mages cast those spells twice), some army or mage summons (mage summons increasing your diversity are particularly desirable), global enchantments and various other rituals (for example, Pangaea might want to Transform a lot of their Panii, effectively trading nature gems to gold income, or some remote attack or assassination spells can be used to cripple the enemy economy or armies).

Boosters are useful and thugging are a thing, but I'd say those are (for most nations most of the time) minority uses for gems.

>>152608146
Earth boots for E2 casters to bump them up to E3 is what I'd say is the best use of Earth gems.

>>152596901

Joined up as Bogarus

Well in the end it seems the scope of the mod just got a lot bigger.

>add small scaling
>not worth it at higher pathlevels
>add more scaling
>spell is now OP at low levels

Tried for a while but trying to get it right is a lost battle with only vanilla spells. So it seems I'll have to add strongly scaling spells at higher research levels and path requirements, only real way to make it actually worth going to X7+ in a path while not making X2 mages do 10x the damage they should.

>>152608146
MA Ulm has a memestrat which involves taking an N9E4 bless and thugging literally every smith you recruit with a shit-ton of items.

>>152611741
Is the liability of all those items falling into enemy hands when you lose a battle a problem?

>>152607694
Is there any other kind of pace in dominions?

>>152612846
silly
just dont lose

>>152612979
Not until we purge the wageslaves, no.

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>It's turn 32 and they still haven't removed the blood nations

Friendly reminder that Sauromatia, Abysia, Mictlan, and Berytos are all still very much alive and working towards bringing hordes of demons to you very soon!

Game: MemeOfTheAges
Turn number 17
Next turn due: 09:39 GMT on Tuesday August 23rd

Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Ashdod 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
>Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

>>152613369
Oh goddamn't captcha fucked up and I went back to the wrong name.

>>152613369
>>152613498
Very well, since you're so set on removing me, enjoy astral corruption.

I am one of those four, but I will not reveal which one.

>>152613586
You may start the cancer train, but just know, if you do.
I'll end it.

>>152613769
Good luck it's behind 999 blood slaves, the fuck you gonna do, mollusc?

>>152614000
Rape
Your
Face

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Can a pretender god eventually get the immortal ability like a Master Lich in some way?
I want to create the potentially most powerful unit-god ever existing in single player, assuming Wish spam (so i don't care about all the stats that can be improved by Wish), so only abilities, slots and Protection/magic resistance count.

What pretender chassis would you reccommend to achieve the potential supreme being?

>>152616351
Immortality can't be gained, so you're basically stuck with empowering an immortal pretender.

>>152617125
Master Lich it is then.

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I simply love Arco in every age, but i always need gems (especially astral pearls).
Any tips on maximizing gem income? Also, is there a guide about path booster items and how to most efficiently reach certain path levels?

>>152617849
There's a path booster guide in the manual.

Wow this is awkward. I've just looked at the fixed start positions and turns out Lemuria starts on my doorstep. For very obvious reasons, i'd like to know if Midgard and Utgard would be interested in an early alliance to wipe out Lemuria ASAP, you two being the ones closest to Lemuria's cap other than me. The faster Lemuria dies, the better for literally every single other nation in the game.

>>152585729
Set it to a friend of mine to AI.

>>152613369
Since you're on, are you gonna get aggro on me? I'd much rather attack Ermor but I can make do with giant stew if you're going to be a dick.

also do your turn

I don't get it

If you need to sitesearch, summon troops AND forge items with your mages, not to mention FIGHTING FUCKING BATTLES, when the HELL are you supposed to use them to research?

I ALWAYS fucking fall behind on research because my mages are busy either forging items or shitsearching which never even yields anything or summoning shit that's inferior to human troops 60% of the time

>>152619541
are you, like, building forts and putting labs in them?

>>152619541
Dude, you can use like 3-4 mages to sitesearch. It's not like you need all the gems right away. Just choose those that have all paths available to you (most of the time you can hire 2 national mages for that; vanheim for example wants a F/E dorf and a A/D/B vanadrott and that's it), and make 1-2 search parties.

>>152619829
>3-4 STR mages to sitesearch (8 probably cap-only turns)
>First year no research

>>152619541
Most of the time you DON'T need to summon troops. Especially at low levels. Exceptions are of course war/fort defence/path availability. It's not like you see that Summon Ogres becomes available to you and you start pumping them up. You start pumping them up usually when you're about to lose and have no other options.

>>152619940
If you play the game enough you learn how to make strategic decisions about early sitesearch/research goals. Aforementioned Vanheim can forfeit researching for the first year easily, and get both sitesearching and 20-25 provinces at turn 13. I know because I did that.

>>152619541
Oh christ another AI player

Summons are situational. You aren't supposed to be just spamming as many troops as you can however you can, you look at the spells, see the options you have, look at your enemy and the map state, see what you need, and then make decisions about which spells to cast, what schools to research, what items to forge, based on that.

DOOMSTACKS DON'T WIN GAMES UNLESS YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST THE AI, IN WHICH CASE THEY ALMOST ALWAYS WIN GAMES because you can do exactly what they do, except more efficiently. Doing exactly what the AI does means you are a bad player.

>>152613369
>>152613586
>>152613769
Don't worry, in a few turns I will have double digit vampires to not die to Amageddon, AC, BoT, Utterdark, and whatever else might come my way. Assuming it happens in the next few turns.

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Can vampires by no means (water breathing or anything else) enter water provinces?
Also, when they die, do they respawn in the fort nearest to the province in which they died or do they spawn back to the capital?

>>152619541
Basically, you build a fort with a temple/lab (it depends) as soon as you can. You want your second fort ready or at least in progress in the very first year. Then depending on your income/nation you pump up mages from every available fort.

Summons are not needed most of the time unless they can win wars for you. Ozelotls can win wars because they are sacred flying demons with shittons of attacks. Trolls can't win wars because they're big ugly HP sponges, but can serve as a distraction for enemy mages or frontline tanks. Clockwork constructs can't even win simple battles and most of the time you'll want your national troops.

If you want to spend gems, there are certain priorities. Mostly you want new path access, then you want strong elite troops/mages, and only if everything else is unavailable or you're fucked you want shitty blockers like ogres (there are cost-effective spells for blockers, of course, like corpse construct/vine ogres).

That's how you play the game properly.

>>152620414
All immortal troops respawn at the capital. It's literally in the description of the Immortal trait, you dingus.

Click on the "cannot cross rivers" trait and you'll be fucking surprised as well.

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Perfect.

>>152619541

I personally get an early sitesearcher out ASAP from my cap, of the gems I will need the most, or as versentile a mage I can get. Then as the game goes on, perhaps when the second fort + lab is up and I recruit even more research mages, I will get out more refined search. A cap only StR with the highest paths I can find to comb the land after my smaller sitesearchers.

>>152619450
Nah I have no interest in playing keep the water nations off the land, You and Atlantis are free to go

>>152621892
>I personally get an early sitesearcher out ASAP from my cap
It's not always a good choice, though. If you expect being rushed, you're better off keeping all your mages in labs until you research some spells to help you repel it. A few more gems aren't usually worth the risk, imho.

>>152622213

Well yeah, ASAP. If I am in a dire situation I will wait with it, but if I have a strong and confident earlygame I'll start looking soonish

>>152619450
Don't worry too much about him. You're going to have much bigger problems to deal with soon.

Best way to protect a god from horror marks? Tons of MR or make him so strong that he can kill the horrors with ease?

>>152620408
Oh, hi there sauro.

New to mp, do you guys play Conquer all or thrones? Any common rules/exceptions used in mp? Also which age do you guys play the most? i see MA is popular, what about the others?

>>152623458
Don't think about him. You're going to have a very big problem to deal with soon

>>152624662
It's funny that you both think so lightly of Ys and their firebreathing fucking cavalry

and me

>>152607659
>WITHOUT THE PANTOKRATOR, WHO WUD BILD DA RHODES!?!?!?

>>152623486
Horror Marks ignore MR and everything

>>152624650
Almost always thrones, usually with some kind of worthy heroes and maybe summod (/domg/ exclusive) for mods. EA=MA>LA in terms of what ages are played the most.

I need to optimize my keys and scripting/giving orders, any good guide to do that? Or what are the commands i must know to make the whole slog smoother?

>>152624650
Thrones.

Trades are always, ALWAYS binding, but otherwise anything goes. Backstab away.

MA is most often played, with EA second and LA last.

>>152627375
>>152628464
Thanks dudes, MA is the one i like the most, can R'lyeh, Arcoscephale or Vanarus be decent?

>>152591212
You want every master to have E2 as it halves casting fatigue.

Both Earthpower and PotS will propagate to the slaves, giving them E3. They are still higher even after your masters boost to E2.

>>152597290
It sounds like you forgot to apply power of the spheres to the slaves.

I'm getting 2 fatigue per cast with earthpower on every mage (except the one casting PotS), compared to 5 without earthpower on everyone.

>>152628818
They'll all okay. If you understand communions and how to use thugs you'll be fine with all of those.

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I want to spam firebirds for massive luck, but Vanarus doesn't have S1F1 mages to mass-recruit, are there any summons or some work-around to actually get a Firebird summoning engine going?

>>152630048

Are Firebirds actually useful for combat, or just for that luck? Their stats looks really fucking bad, but they blow up on death.

>>152631204
For Allah

>>152627375
Summod is used less frequently in a couple other communities, too

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Does anyone know where I can find a list of discounted pretenders and which nations they're discounted for?

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Any interest in a EA with Summod/WH 5.5?

Maybe Hexawyr or something around 10~ people?

>>152630048
The only reliable way you're going to mass FandS magic as Vanarus is if you summon tarts with gift of reason and gift of health going (the demonic options are unique summons). and even then mass is a bit of an overstatement given only your pretender will be summoning tarts till you get lucky with paths.


maybe just play Bogarus and pretend you're playing Vanarus?

>>152632314
If you build it, they will come.

Fuck latus has some weird connections. Jomon has an island that connects to the asteroid plane at one end and Mari's capital on the other. Why the fuck does mari get paths to 3 different islands when they have sailing anyway? There is already fleets for transport everywhere why did they have to fuck one of Mari's only advantages further?

>A bunch of people attacking everyone but snowballing bats.
Typical domg. Literally incapable of stopping bats, so long as bats as played by someone more competent than the AI.

>>152630048
Hidden in sand often get f/s

>>152637792
I have seen bats get gang raped several times much like MA agartha. you are just salty that you suck at diplomacy and can't properly collude

>>152637952
I have seen bats get gangbanged several times as well. Just never by domg. Either bats are played by a moron, or they win around here.
People LITERALLY say they want bats to win, deathbasket them, hand them thrones, inflate their winrate. I can only personally wonder how Xibalba would fare if everyone didn't fawn over them so much.

>>152637825
It's 1/6. Not really often enough to mass firebirds.

The troops are quite nice, though.

>>152638210
>People LITERALLY say they want bats to win, deathbasket them, hand them thrones, inflate their winrate.
When did this happen?

>>152638892
>People LITERALLY say they want bats to win, deathbasket them, hand them thrones, inflate their winrate.
I think that's a reference to the Oeridia games? Might also refer to scrubgenx, I would NOT be surprised to hear Chimori gets a deathbasket from the loser of Tashna vs Ceasidh.

>>152611741
You are supposed to thug black servants. Not smiths.

>>152639445
Why not both?

>>152629104
Does PotS stack with other path boosts?

I didn't know that.

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>do certain "physical tasks"

What did they mean by this?

>>152642102
they fucc

>>152641468
Yes, it's a different effect so it stacks.

Why did you think I included it, if it didn't stack?

>>152642817
But they have the lower part of a fish, how do they?

How do I git gud? Should I just jump into multiplayer games and shit up the place or do some A.I till i'm competent?

Been doing some A.I matches but larger ones get pretty boring near the end because the A.I tends to gang up on me.

>>152644578
Do some singleplayer for six months until you grasp the basics, then jump into multiplayer, lose a couple games, and learn more from the experience than you did in six months of singleplayer.

If you're lucky you'll even find a newbie game where you'll actually have a good chance of winning.

>>152639509
Smiths make shitty thugs.

>>152644846
and black servants don't?

they both are shit thugs.

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IF YOU SUMMON VAMPIRES AS AN UNDERWATER NATION AND THEY DIE IN YOUR DOMINION WHAT HAPPENS????

>>152645839

They don't respawn.

>>152628296
Hover with your mouse over a command like (hold)(hold)Stay Behind troops. Press ctrl+1. It is now copied to slot 1. Now hover over another command, press 1 to paste it.

I have 1 for magicless commander(holdx5 Stay), 2 for blessing routine in every game(blessx3, cast). The rest are for popular mage spells.

>>152628296
I forgot to add, press 'y' on a province you are moving towards to see the orders of all units that are going to be in that province next turn - probably the most useful command after 'n' on the world map.

Game: MemeOfTheAges
Turn number 17
Next turn due: 09:39 GMT on Tuesday August 23rd

Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Bandar Log 2h file received
Ashdod 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
>Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

>>152645625
Black servants have ethereal, life drain, and no encumbrance.

They're shitty thugs but they have a lot more going for them than a smith does.

Are there any U.I improvement mods that allow me to (for example) preview the stats of the creature that a spell summons in-game rather than having to dig through the manual?

>>152647953
No.

Your best option is to use the manual or the inspector.

Are skinshifters worth making for early expansion as EA Nief or should I just be using niefel giants for that?

Currently running a N9E4 bless. Taking barbarian provinces seems to be a huge pain too if anyone has advice for that.

>>152644578
Get a feel for units/spells and their capabilities and beyond that be generally good at positioning and strategy.

You in here, Midgård?

>>152648795
i think that if you have a bless you should stick to using that.

skinshifters are probably going to die just as easily against barbs.

Is erf snek the only real viable pretender for Jomon? My expansion depends on getting a miracle Air random otherwise

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>GinnungagapLives: Dominions error on hosting

>>152651538
At this point it's not the mods but someone sending in a fucked up 2h.

14 players

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Latus_3_Big_Trouble_In_Little_Ragha

The Question, will Ghosts win this time? Will Midgard bumrush ghosts and get slam dunked? will bats start on the blood plane? will monkeys get ridiculously huge then stale? will nips stale after not getting an A random?

>>152651538
Really the best option here is to email llama beast. He can check at his end what is causing the error and likely restore the game without needing a restart.

When errors like this have occurred previously it has been due to something not uploading to the llamaserver correctly. Have any of the maps or mods been uploaded specifically for this game?

>>152651859

Could it be some faggot deliberately fucking with his 2h file? Is this a new form of staling, are we witnessing the coming of a new era?

>>152652145
This, admin please email llama this time rather than remaking.

>>152652178
I fucking hope not.

>>152651865
I think I'll join as C'tis. Should a C'tis pretender aim for crafting rings or blesses in LA?

>>152652178
I'm scared it might have been me now. I don't know how I could have fucked it up but I bet I did.

>>152651859
>>152651538
try emailing llamabeast.

it's either one of you having a fucked up renamed version of magicenhanced or the server does have an error of caching it.

was the mod uploaded twice to llamaserver perhaps?

the admin and one of his fuckbuddies should make a 2 people game with the mod and see if they can reach turn 3. if they can't then it's the server that has a bugged/different version of the mod saved in its cache.

>>152652586
>Should a C'tis pretender aim for crafting rings or blesses in LA?

B9N9 bless is pretty popular for LA ctis.

you have low astral magic( you could summon coatl later however) and without E, n air, and you lack nature and water which enable foul vapor which is an excellent midgame strat for you, so that's it if you want to make a diversity god.

>>152652970
I'm not creative, I might just try a B9N9 memebless. Is actually bloodhunting and researching that path ever done as C'tis or is it purely for sacred blood vengeance?

>>152653090
i don't think i'll ever want to bloodhunt for more than a couple of bloodstone crafting mid-lategame and maybe, maybe, 2 vampire lords to cast leech/end in the ultralategame against certain SCs.

i haven't tried but blood harvest global might be beneficial given your lack of growth scales.

>>152652694
Is the admin around to email? Does it even have to be the admin for this kinda problem?

>>152653273
What's a better chassis for N9B9? Serpent king or Freak Lord?

>>152652586
>I'm scared it might have been me now.
I thought the same thing.

>>152654551
the one that costs less point. having more than 20 hp or being mobile are just a minor plus.

>>152654551
fountain of blood or mother of monsters is not better?

>>152655263
Maybe, but they're quite expensive compared to the other two.

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Fuck everything.

Just emailed llamabeast. I'll check my inbox in the morning.

>>152655424
And on the same subject, what are typical scales for LA C'tis? Are there any that can be safely dumped? Are any essential?

>>152655494
if you want blood as an option take growth, you can't afford any cold. You can tank prod as you can skelespam. M3 is a must if you want skelespam to be useful too.

>>152651865
Well since nobody else is making it, should I make a Steam group thread? I imagine we want a full house before starting.

>>152655806
How retarded is S3H3D1M3 with a N9B9D1 Mother of Monsters?

>>152655917
Actually change the Mother of Monsters to a blood fountain. Mother of Monsters is points wasted on something I won't use.

Blood fountain can ditch the D1 scale or go for 8 Dominion instead of 6. I'm kind of feeling the Blood Fountain even though I won't hunt with it. Is that bad?

>>152655806
>You can tank prod as you can skelespam.
>>152655917
>S3H3D1M3
Consider expansion first before you do that.

LA C'tis doesn't have Slave Warriors so you'll have a much harder time with expansion than EA or MA.

>>152656075
That does sound awkward now that you mention it. Tanking scales when designing a pretender always makes me nervous. Is a point or two of Turmoil suicidal?

>>152651865
Should we start like this? Not like there are many LA nations left.

>>152656215
Turmoil has a fairly large impact on your income, but it's definitely better than taking death scales.

>>152655806
>M3 for skelespam

why.fatigue reduction only happens in your lands.your mages don't need it for research.

>>152655993
>>152655917
>>152655917

why would you ever need dominion 8?

what about a fucking moving pretender that can cast howl and gigantic sleep clouds?

>>152655424
b3->b9 is cheaper than b1->b9

>>152656523
I just can't seem to find a good way to get B9N9 to work.

>>152652586
>>152654749
Me too but everything is in order so it wouldn't make sense.

>>152656743
I ended up going three something like four versions of the Magic Enhanced mod so I don't know if I had the right one in the end. I upended my mods folder three times.

>>152656730
Double blesses are painful on scales. I'd go heat 3, misfortune 2 and consider carefully what else to dump.

>>152656730
also magic 3 seems bad on ctis

>>152656960
>>152657094
How about Mother of Monsters with

Dom6 Sloth1 Misfortune2 Heat3 Magic 2

>>152656934
Well I don't what's causing it so I can't say, what I can say is that it is almost surely the 2h from a player causing this.
MemeFastStaleHard uses the ME1.1Proper and it works, on top of that we tried another one now and the issue persists, fair to say we can exclude ME1.1 being at fault.
It starts fine so it isn't an issue with pretenders or the map.
There are a tonne of games using WH and Summod without problems.

So in the end the only thing it really can be is a 2h that someone is sending in being fucked. The problem is, how do we find who it is? Assuming he isn't doing it on purpose (I hope) we better hope Llama can actually see that somehow, otherwise we've got 12 suspects and no clues.

Is okofire the most autistic person in vanheim?

>>152657642
I haven't been in the vanheim chat in a couple of months or so. Is he the one starting a new blitz every 12 hours?

>>152657684
Yeah

>>152657728
Has he become an unstoppable god of Dominons yet? I figure you'd have to sooner or later if you're playing that many games.

>>152657762
he's completely terrible and bans nations that he loses against which is pretty hilarious

>>152657790
Had to be either or, really.

>>152657790
I can't imagine that would go down well.

Who does he main? Who isn't allowed? I'm kind of interested in Vanheim but not enough to go actually check.

>>152657992
Hinnom and Ys are sometimes banned, he is triggered by iron blizzard spam and basically plays like an AI.

>>152657992
last time i heard he played lot of TNN, Abysia, Lanka, marignon basically nations where troops are good or you can summon good shit with blood.
he is a master of 70 PD and rarely ever uses battle mages.He expands quite well at least.

i think he baned hinnom and YS because their sacreds are unstoppable and unfair ( most likely because they can melt his 100 PD provinces).

>>152657642
>salty because you got booted for having a pirate copy

>>152658156
>unstoppable and unfair
is okofire behind this post? to be continued on aspergers chronicles

>>152658242
oko pls

>>152658242
Why would you boot someone for having a pirate copy if it's the right version?

>>152658397
It's called autism

>>152657762
He's rather shit.

>>152657203
I personally would go order 1/growth 1 and magic 0. Seems good.

>>152657762
he thinks he's really good

>>152658493
It also might be a good idea to take prod? Check how well you expand in Sp.

>>152658493
What's the appeal of growth to C'tis? Is it for later blood-hunting purposes? I think I see M1 being more useful immediately.

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When I was making my pretender I sent in a modded file that gave me literally +1 point because I needed it to get W9 on my pretender. Could it be me...?

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>>152657642
fuck off malbrig if you want to shit talk me shit talk me my face bitch

>>152647102
>Didn't doubleturn

>>152658603
>you evil fuck
really though, it seems likely from what's been posted ITT that at least a couple of anons fucked up. I'm 40% sure I did.

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>>152658609
Calm down lad

>>152658603
If you're not just memeposting, probably.

Though if it's just the pretender points you messed with, it should've given a "this guy is cheating" message instead of just crashing, unless you fucked something else up.

>>152657762
>plays blitzes all the time, sometimes more than one per day (must be shutin NEET)
>plays like an AI
>is autistic as fuck
>even though he plays all day he's SHIT
>bans nations that wreck his ass
>gets butthurt over pirate copies

Not sure if to laugh or feel sorry for his military grade autism.

>>152658603
This better be a fucking joke you shit-smeared mongoloid.

>>152658815
Hey maybe you dont want to play my blitz thats fine then you tell me your steam name and i ban you from my blitzes :)

>>152658867
Lambert_S

>>152658867
Moggers

>>152658867
Meaglin

>>152658867
Okofire

Honestly I don't know why okofire hasn't been banned yet. He's the worst host I've ever seen.

>>152659318
he's the only guy hosting at the moment, moggers is too busy fucking with shitserver

>>152659671
Based moggers will free us from oko's reign of autism.

>>152659754
One of you fucks could learn how to port forward.

>>152660635
Some people do port forward. Lambert, Malgrib, moggers can all port forward but they dont host often.

>>152660635
Seriously? That's the fucking problem? How do people manage to play Dominions but not know how to port forward?

>>152660671
There's no reason 99% of this thread should not be able to port forward.

>>152660690
laziness perhaps

>>152660671
>Lambert can port forward
We established that my internet is shit and NEVER AGAIN.

>>152660635
I can port forward, I just doubt my toaster can handle lager games, especially when it reaches late game.

>>152660863
Me too. I have such bad internet. I don't know if I could host for long enough either.

>>152660690
I forgot my router password.

>>152661117
I also don't know what my router password is.

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I was brainstorming a water-gem economy for Pelagia to get mad astral gains. Here are the steps:
>Expand as much as you can
I know, Pelagia is shit, but underwater stuff isn't too hard, and you'll have 1 or two enemy players at max. Just do your best, being underwater people wont bother you for a fair time.
>Spam Pearl mages
Without them, water gems would be useless later on.
>Beeline Conj 6 for Sea King's Court
F-FREE GEMS? Yup, but the damn thing costs 55 water gems. Pelagia earns a minimum of 4/month, so it's not that big of an issue, but ammassing them is gonna take a bit. Convert all those other useless gems into Astral pearls, and consider converting them in water ones to fasten up the process, you'll catch up in the deficit in no time. They also come with a nice army for being underwater, and the Sea kings can pump research even further and cast Court as well.
>TURTLING TIME
As Pelagia it's already a miracle if you conquered a fair share of provinces (you need them mostly for income, this strategy can hold up with the capital only after a while), but whatever you have, DEFEND IT. Build fortresses, stay comfy under the sea until the inevitable underwater asshole (or land-dweller invader) decides to rape you. With tons of pearl mages in each fort and the sea king's armies, you should be able to hold them until the very late game comes around.
>Once your gem income is huge, ASTRAL CONVERSION BABY
All those Pearl Mages will now cast a ritual of awesome proportions, converting useless water gems into the all-powerful Astral Pearls. With all those pearl-workers, it'll take one or two turns at most to conver them all (and you can keep 3 mages to regular pearl-duty after that).
>ASTRAL POWER
Works best with a pretender with high S, but damn, if you survived this long you have actually won! as Pelagia! Spam Wish, Arcane Nexus, whatever the fuck you want really, Astral pearls mean almost every spell in the game.

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>>152661137
Reset it.

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Right and then a blood nation slaps your ass with 400 storm demons whenever you try to get on land.

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>>152661137
Reset to factory settings, use admin/password or the password and username one the router itself.

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>>152661394
how?

>>152658597
you are going to recruit a mix of RP9 and RP 15 mages. what's the point in havin g 1 RP when you can just have more money?

>>152661556
That's some sound reasoning you've got there.

>>152661536
Depends on the model of router you're using, in most cases there should be a button hidden on the back that you have to press and hold for 30~ seconds using a pencil or something.

>>152660635
i am at my parent's home and our ADSL is co-owned with our neighbour, with their son being the only one with the router password.
if i talk about giving me the password so i can do stuff everyone goes crazy thinking i am going to brick everything.

when i was studying in Uni city there was one wifi router for over 300 people and i didn't have access to it.

i just can't port forward

>>152661415
If (and it's a big if) you can reach the point of getting a water-economy working (it's an astral economy really, and a huge one at that), it doesn't matter what the enemy has. With Wish and a fuckton of every gem you could desire (not to mention you are actually good at research as Pelagia with the right investments) you can literally counter everything. The real problem with the strategy i posted is surviving long enough to do all that stuff, but once you do that you are almost omnipotent.

If my pretender has 3 heads, can i wear 3 skullcaps and get basically a +3 in astral magic? Or do more copies of the same item not work on a single unit?

Are there spells that actively change the scales of a province? If my dominion has growth 1, for example, and i cast a spell that makes it growth 3, will my dominion revert it to 1 in time or does it simply stay at 3?

>>152662350
Bonuses from the same item don't stack, except basic protection/stat bonuses. Bottles of water stack and give you two water elementals. Maybe something else stacks, I forgot.

>>152662629
You can wear multiple horned helms for triple-gore power.

>>152662629
You can have more of that trinket that gives you an arm and end up with 4+ arms.

>>152662350
multiple copies of the same item don't give certain bonuses.
you don't get more magic if you have multiple copies of the same magic booster.

extra attacks and summon items such as water bottles should stack. i think stats bonuses such as " + 4 MR, + 1 penetration bonus" from the same item don't stack either.

>>152662478
Yes, Blood Fecundity and Melancholia are two.
And yes, your dominion will try to revert it back to it's scales.

Any items/spells that reduce the cost of conjurations/doubles their effects? I know of the drake-enhancing ones only.

>>152652586
I'm afraid it might be me too, I have the proper Magicenhanced and the other one because I didn't bother deleting it because I was using it for a test run on SP to play with the new spells. But if I have both it should surely use the proper proper file right?

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>I see Jotunheim has demon lords, hundreds of vampires, a tartarian factory with GoH up, and over a dozen werewolf and tartarian thugs running aroun the place
>lets attack him

>>152663234
summon vine men/ogre and a nature hat, as well as some pretender/mage chassis, that increase the count.

same goes for crossbreeding and manual of cross breeding.

How long do self-buffs last in combat? For example, does personal regeneration or ethereal body last for the entire battle? And are they dispellable by some means?

>>152663607
I honestly expected to die within a dozen turns. The game just kept going and everyone kept getting bigger without fighting and I have no idea what to make of the situation and I keep getting busier irl so I can't script all those mages so I'm just waiting for death now.

>>152663624
Corpse constructs too