/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Fungeon Crawl

>>152541090
Funyun Girl

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>>152541456
Daily reminder that lolis are NOT for lewds!

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Daily reminder from Yacatect to do your best and make as much money as possible.

>>152541526
Makimaki is a slut.

>>152542602
rogue

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Did you all buy my game, /rlg/?

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xth for Nethack is /pol/ approved

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>>152542548

>>152543109
Hardly cowtits

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>>152543151

>MfBe, enough resist (one pip to all), 27 fighting
>Zot:4
>read ?magic mapping
>huh, three stairs lead to the same way in the middle, I'm too lazy to go there, better take nearest escape hatch
>suddenly in the room with 2 OoF, Orb Guardian, Moth Wrath , draconians, elec golem and lich
>3 orb guardians are berserked
>better buff myself with hast-
>instantly lose half of my HP
>panic
>blink twice to "safe" location
>read ?fog
>tele
>teleport in the same location
>burns 2-3 teleport scroll and 3 potion of heal wounds
>arrives in safe location

Fucking escape hatch

>>152543614
>using hatches
you brought this on yourself anon

WE COULD MISS DICKU
FOREVER AND EVER
WE COULD MISS DICKU
JUST FOR ONE DAY

>>152543820

put a trip on so I can filter your posts

>>152544258
Filtering /dicku\b/i under "comments" should do the trick.

>>152544368
What about "donglord"
Or "lord of the dick"
Or just plain old "dick"
Or "dck"
And all the variations
Why would you filter our savior

Anyone have a guide for playing Vanilla Bagel?

>>152544947
no, but post your gameplay here

>>152544535
Yeah on second thought, he's right. You should slap on a trip.

>decide to be a demonspawn monk
>get claws mutation
>feel lucky
>find a +13 scythe and a manual of polearms in elven halls and a bunch of other awesome weapons
welp

>>152542953
vanilla bagel?

>>152545658
CEASELESSLY CRAVING SPANISH SAUSAGE

>>152546123

Great, add more.

>>152546390
are you going to filter all of them?

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>>152546797
I don't actually use the filter normally, but I'll add them in just for you, anon.

>>152547709
doesn't catch dck

>>152547709
>using tomorrow
>using AB over superior origin
Lmao@urlyf

>>152548398
not him, but Tomorrow is godlike at night. Much easier on the eyes.

xth for remove cBlink because it's scummy and degenerate

>>152548820
no

>>152548820
cblink is important item / spell against rng horseshit.

>>152549423

cBlink is not ?blink. ?blink is limited, cBlink is not. Therefore, it should be removed.

>>152549525
mana should be removed
also hp shouldn't regenerate

>>152549317

No one could come up with any VALID justification about this scummy af spell when I raised its issue but maybe you do have one? """Waste"""" of Exp? Contamination? Mana """Cost"""? lmao

Even the also scummy lichform at the very least prevents you from healing and quaffing potions. cBlink has what... literally none? Too much cost of exp amirite?

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well?

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any way to scale up the HUD on the android version? I can play it decently enough but the text and icons are way too small.

>>152550415
>thing is good so remove thing

you have explained that cblink is strong but you have not explained why being strong necessitates removal

>>152550628

Strong spells are those like Firestorm, Lichform, Tornado, Chain Lightning, LCS etc.

cBlink on the other hand, is not strong. It simply breaks the game. Is your mind so damaged that infinite blinking simply mean "strong" for you?

>>152550967
>cBlink is not strong

well if it's weak then it doesn't need to be removed

>>152551567

I see, so this is how being a drug rehabilitation employee feels like.

should I switch from zin to tso before entering tartarus?

>>152550486
You're exploring the whole floor just for funsies?

>>152552372

>should I switch from scum god #1 to scum god #2?

hmm... really makes u think... huh

Is there an easier way to auto walk to the downward staircase? I tried using x and then > but that only works when the stairs are on my screen.

>>152553392
Just press G then >

>>152553392
X then >

>>152553479
Ahh fucking capital X, that is so much nicer. Thank you anon

>>152553156
go play with your mummo you cunt

>>152552372
You should do extended with TSO, unless you enjoy pressing Ctrl+5 every 2-3 steps.

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Is it ever advisable to switch away from the weapon skill you are training?

How good of a weapon would it have to be?

>>152554362
welp just finished the 4 vestibules with zin though
I would like to keep some stealth, that's why I didn't go for TSO. and invocations from zin are really useful.

>>152555018
Yes. Better than your current weapon, which in your case it's not. Only use the whip as a quick swap

>>152555018
>Is it ever advisable to switch away from the weapon skill you are training?

Unless you're worshipping Ashenzhari, no.
Trog will give you better weapon later.
Antimagic is really valuable brand against dangerous spellcaster.

>>152555018
If it's very early in the game and you find something truly amazing and you have positive aptitude in the second weaponskill, or if it's around midgame and your first weaponskill is still relatively low and you have positive aptitude in the target skill and you have a crosstraining bonus.

It's basically never worth it, except for switching from shortblades to longblades.

Snakebite is a nice exception though, it's probably worth training that to 0.9 delay even if you only use it as a curareswap.

>>152542602
Incursion.

>>152544947
post a download

>>152542602
http://store.steampowered.com/app/491510/

>>152555756
That makes sense, so in most cases it wouldn't be advisable then.

>>152555575
>>152555608
I guess I could hold it for a swap then.

>>152555018
Axes cross-train with Maces and flails, right? Well training up to 20 for that battleaxe should put your M&F pretty close to 10 for mindelay on that whip, and even if it doesn't, it will be hardly any extra XP with that +2 aptitude.

wtf is with everyone finding snakebite recently
there have been like 5 posts with it in the last 2days

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=f44f3ea68abaf6d9a9717b8f04aa74c042f29003
more removals...

>>152558798
rip dirt_se.png

>>152558798

>remove dirt, grass, and pedestrian tiles that aren't used?

Remove the three, rule of three!

>>152558798
the removals have gone too far this time ess em aitch tee bee aitch

>>152558798
Fuck this faggot

>>152558798
>>152559119
>removing tiles that you never saw in the game, because they were never used for anything

Quel horreur!

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rest in peace
(again)

>>152559351
How the fuck does one die in pan

hey, rc file jedi
how do i set player tile to removed monster tile?

>>152559351
Lmao, that was me from last night

>>152559395
I actually died to 3 helions, i did a really stupid thing

>>152559395
hellion island
autoexplore with chei

been there, done that

>>152559426
depends on whether the removed monster's tile is actually still in the game files

>>152559746
>walk around corner as chei
>2 Brimstone fiends come into view
>[...]
>You die

>>152559426
tile_player_tile = tile: MONS_WHATEVER

the MONS_WHATEVERs are in here:
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-mon.txt

You can't use things that have been removed from the game entirely, i.e. are no longer exposed in dc-mon.txt (like the old pearl dragon or royal jelly tiles), but there is a section at the bottom of that file that maintains a few older tiles the devs liked enough to keep available for player use

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>>152559774
it is

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What happened to this hydra?

>>152559905
>orb guardian fetus
Do I even want to know why that is/was in the game

>>152555018
If you are desperate, everything is worth it.

>>152559746
Best thing is that i didnt even auto explore, i just did a really stupid mistake and it was really late..
Well either way time for another 15-rune sometime today

Reminder that Humans are one of the strongest species in crawl

>>152560162
agreed

>>152560162
>no strength
>utterly boring

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>>152559952
I bet she gave good head.

>>152559952
Poor hydra is very lonely, give em a *big* hug

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>>152560162

true

>>152559746
when i was the noob with 0 wins i wandered around pan trying to find exit with 15 runes on hand
and then i encountered that island
used cblink and jumped right in the middle

"they wont damage their allies, r-right?" — i thought

that was one turn kill

>>152559746

>be Naga of Chei
>move 1 tile
>get rekt by 4 torments from 2 tormentors
>get destroyed by 4 damnations from a single hellion
>get rekt by 2 Brimstone fiends casting 4 damnations
>Dispater casts LCS 10(ten) times
>An awoo managed to land a howl debuff
>a spooky skeleton answers the summons
>-1000000/300hp
>Chei takes off his mask and reveals the face of a grinning Xom
>+15 stats and dat Slouch™ amirite lads
>Xom finds this hilarious

>>152560505
>swamp
>xl 20

that fucking exp gain man
jegus crist

>>152560729
>Na^Chei
>not moving entirely by using cBlink

>>152559746
>autoexplore with chei
Someone post the pic

Does AC reduce poison damage?

>>152560050
that was the original orbguard tile: a giant levitating purple fetus

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>>152560836

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>>152560809

>>152560902
It doesn't reduce damage from the status effect. It does reduce the poison-flavour damage from say, parrow.

>>152560804

I already cleared Elf:3

>>152561013
actually i just looked it up and i was wrong; poison damage is not affected by ac. this includes the non-physical portions of poison spells

>>152560902
once you're already poisoned AC won't help

but if you take 0 damage from the venom weapon/sting projectile/etc you generally won't get poisoned in the first place

>>152561071
as far as I know AC still applies exactly once to parrow and venom bolt

but you don't apply AC seperately to each element of the attack or anything

>>152561132
I don't feel like code diving right now, but the learndb says only the impact damage checks AC. I assume that means that if you take 5 impact damage and 5 poison damage and roll a 20 on your AC reduction, you'll still take 5 damage.

>>152561215
Yeah it shouldn't affect the damage over time.

Talking about it is slightly confusing because is an element and a status effect and both are just called "poison".

>>152561301
Sounds like a perfect opportunity to remove poison

>>152561385

and cBlink

and high elves what the fuck how is "human but better at charms" a race

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>>152560505

this game keeps on throwing meme events at me send help

>some fag on /v/ claims they made DCSS harder ans added content
>check changelogs of recent versions
>it's all content/feature removals and adding LITERAL swim floats
wew

>>152562647
fuck off we don't want you here

>>152562732
>no capitalization or punctuation
No, we don't want YOU here.

>>152560396
>level up fast
>no weaknesses
>all equipment slots

DCSS has been getting easier and easier every fucking update no exceptions

>go back to the random characters account
>roll another deep dwarf caster after having one four characters ago
i'd rather play literally anything else, fuck the rng

What's the current FotM roguelike?

>>152563184
then play a deep dwarf fighter
roles literally don't matter

>>152563236
Gone back to DCSS

>>152563073
6/10 anon, I almost replied seriously

>>152563354
This is basically DCSS general, it can't be FotM.

>>152563286
Yeah, that's what i'll try to do, but the mid game transition almost got me killed with the previous deep dwarf "caster". I hate these fuckers.

Also roles matter in a sense that I start with 11 Str and I can't just wear a plate without dropping to some abysmal levels of EV. At least I found Makhleb fast.

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This gnollcrawl thing seems intredasting
Seems you're always XL1 though

>>152564168
How are they even alive

>>152564168
What is this?

>>152564350
gnollcrawl or something
there's a game going on crawl.project357.com

>>152564273
because it's gnollcrawl, everything in the game is gnolls except where the mod creator fucked up

>>152564273
EVERYTHING IS GNOLL

>>152542116
Formicids have an "a" glyph. Entropy Weavers have a "p" glyph. "a" glyphs are used for ants only. "p" glyphs are used for humans: vault guards, wizards, hell knights, and so on.

>>152565047
Vault guards are actually halflings

>>152545867
Doesn't matter, Unarmed+Transmutations is literally the best damage you can get in Crawl, even without cheistats.

>>152565098
Bullshit.

>>152566752
You're bullshit m8

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>>152566752

liar

>>152567359

wrong quote >>152439962

If i have to choose, is it better to have tons of AC or tons of EV in a ziggurat?
I can reduce LoS by a fuckton with nightstalker/robe of night/darkness combined, so is it better to avoid stuff alltogether or to reduce its damage to minimum?

>>152567793

It is better to have tons of spells, tons of HP and every option available for different situations. AC and EV do not matter.

>>152550810
what

>>152568003
I'm starting to wonder: for megaziggs is it better to go Troll with robeofnight/darkness or Demonspawn with nightstalker/robeofnight/darkness?
The former has fuckhuge HP, the latter makes you challenge only 20 or so monsters at a time by reduced LOS.

>>152568306

Nah, that next to no aux slots won't do you any good. A Centaur would do the trick

>>152568306
LOS reduction has always been huge in Zigs, and darkness/nightstalker are very nice, but robe of night probably isn't worth it.

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I'm going for Statueform. Almost all of my Slaying is on my bodyslot (I have a buckler with +4 int & +4 Acc). The damage upgrade from no transmutations to Statueform should be enough to offset the loss of my +6 Acc, +4 Dam, right?

>>152569715

>I'm going for Bloatform

shiggy

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Cerebov seems more than doable even with rF1. Why is there a meme about him being dangerous?

>>152571478
his firestorm can 2shot you with only rf+

>>152571754
he will NEVER do 2 max rolls right after hitting you with his sword

>>152571754

His 2 firestorms only took like 60hp though? His melee hits harder since my only rF goes away.

>>152571754
Reminder that AC reduces spelldmg
Cerebov has 8 dice on his firestorm which means ac counts against it 8 times

>>152571995

>Reminder that AC reduces spelldmg

You're joking right?

>>152572123
When running as high AC and 0 ev and no magic defenses, I have found that even spells didn't hurt much, so maybe he's right.

>>152572123
No, every damage source that isn't specifically excluded (hellfire, torment etc) is reduced by armor

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>>152572324

Conjurations of all forms seem to hit me like normal when I had no AC though. I had ++ resists

How do you deal with acid blobs not corroding you to -40 in 3turns and mutating eyes mtuating the shit out of you

>>152573892

rCorr, XL27, good damage per aut (flaming/elec brand), haste, fog then walk away, cBlink, ?blink and staying away from Slime Pits in general.

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>get iridescent scales as 1st mut
>it says only +2 AC
What? When did they nerf that mut?
I swear it used to be +4.

>>152574185
>flaming

>>152566752
It's true, if you pick a dowsing card from a deck of changes/wonders and you get telepathy they ping as halflings

>>152573892
Good EV/SH, rCorr, and a powerful ranged attack help considerably. You also want good MR so golden eyes don't mess you up. Don't mess around in Slime; you want to get to the bottom, grab the loot, and get out.

>>152574573
When they balanced scales to one another
Iris is now trash
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=063d7283a2ab048c9e26ecf362b3ff1cf6eb600b

>>152555018
Don't listen to these fucking noobs. Curare is one of the strongest effects in the game and Snakebite will irresistibly apply it to the mightiest of uniques and will fuck *lords while disregarding rPois.

>>152574580

>not using a brand that works against 100% of the enemies in a branch

you are own fault

>>152575254
Most people dont have the luxury to choose between 5 differently branded exec axes

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>how do you like your stats senpai

>>152575506
just harm my shit up

>>152571995
>>Cerebov has 8 dice on his firestorm which means ac counts against it 8 times
This is a meme. Do not fall for it.

>>152575461
>postend
>Most people dont(sic) have the luxury to choose between 5 differently branded exec axes
you are own fault

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>>152574998
Well that sucks, I'm used to getting happy about recieving the gay scale mut.
I still have 21 AC and 18 EV as a pure caster dude on D:8. Feels good.

>>152575128
>Snakebite will irresistibly apply
>disregarding rPois

Anon, that is flat out wrong and you should stop spreading misinformation.


Snakebite calls_SNAKEBITE_melee_effects() on hit, which itself has a 2/5 chance of calling curare_actor().
>https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/art-func.h#L843
>https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc#L2168

curare_actor(), when applied to not-player targets, then calls _curare_hits_monster() with a levels argument of 2.
>https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc#L1984

At this point, if the monster is not alive or has more than 0 rPois, _curare_hits_monster() immediately returns false and does *nothing*. Going further down the function, it only deals damage if the monster is not unbreathing, and then it only slows the monster if the monster is alive.

tl;dr: Snakebite goes through all the normal curare checks.

>>152565047
was the glyph changed recently in their edit to make them not ants anymore? i swear i've died to the fuckers enough times to have that cyan "a" glyph burned into my head but the wiki lists it as a brown p which i've never seen

>>152577332
Oh yeah? Well how's that for a level 2 argument! *unzips dick*
xom_is_stimulated(100);

>>152573892
rCorr for acid blobs, any kind of strong ranged attack or summon butterflies to avoid malmutate. it's not smite targeted so if you can find summon butterflies it can be really helpful to wait for them to close the gap

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I thought I became autistic enough to try the webtiles of DCSS

>No side panel

Whelp, that was fast. At this point I don't know how to motivate myself to play dcss, I kind of want something new on roguelikes

>>152578861
Try playing a good roguelike.

>>152578861
god forbid you have to remember what's in your inventory or check it every once in awhile. too hard to press i/I i guess

Did they do anything to the extended game in DCSS in the past year?
If they did I might actually consider otabbing through it again.

>>152579113

Extended was made so your braindead otabbing ass is not allowed inside its premises

>>152579429
>>152579013
>>152577652
>>152575128
Just leave anon. Your opinion is worthless because you're not contributing anything to the thread except some bottom-quality shitposts.

>>152579429
Otabbing is easier in extended than in earlygame since you already have all the gear and all the skills.
My NaFi of Chei struggled more in earlier branch endings than in Hell (except for that one time where I got tormented 9 times after stepping around a corner) or Pan. Only tough part was fully clearing a Ziggurat and Tomb.

>>152579727
>le clever samefag spotting
lmao, kys

>>152578861
but webtiles has the better side panel than the client

>>152579727

found the MiBe

>>152579727
t. 2 int MiBe

>>152579101
If only was that, you can see all the items in your tile, abilities on front with the %success with a mouse over, magic, manage skill, interactive map.

I could learn the keys and stuff but it's not worth it. I just learn that the achievements are only on tournaments. eh!

>>152580667
>mouseover
i don't even touch my mouse when playing, it's really worth learning the hjkl movement set and never having to move your hands. you can press a, glance at the successes, and then press esc faster than you can move your hand to the mouse and hover over it for a tooltip

>>152580840
>not having a numpad

>>152580907
>moving your hand from the numpad to o

>>152580907
did you miss the point about not moving your hand? and of course i don't have bloat on my TKL keyboard. hjkl works better than numpad

>>152580019
This. I'd trade away the inventory sidebar for the webtiles enemy sidebar any day. The only reason I bother playing client is because I want to be able to easily flipflop between multiple characters.

>>152581141
>>152580019
But the client has the enemy list AND ability list AND inventory

>>152580958
>moving your right hand off numpad at all.
You use your left hand to hit o. Or you rebind numad / or - to o.

>>152581337
The client's enemy list is vastly inferior simply because it does not tell me the dangerousness of the monster at a simple glance like webtile's does. Looking to see whether the name is gray, white, yellow, or red vs Xing over to the mob and pressing v; there's no question that the former is quicker and easier.

>>152581539
sounds like a lot of work instead of already using the fully functional vi keys

>>152581775
You mean using the mouse? Why would you think that's less work. That's just silly.

>>152577509
I don't use ASCII, but I was citing from learndb: https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#p

>>152581539

>simply because it does not tell me the dangerousness of the monster

The fuck do you need that for?

>>152582235
just checked in wizmode. they're cyan "a" as of latest trunk version but were brown "p" in 0.18. still described as a humanoid though

>>152582704
i know right? fucking nerds. if your win% doesn't require a calculator to be converted from a fraction to a percentage you need to get the fuck out

>>152571995
That is not how damage dice work.

AC counts once against everything except sandblast/LRD.

>>152582704
>>152583029
To know how strong the monster is in regards to your current character. I didn't think anybody was daft enough that this self explanatory reason needed to be explained.

Or what, are you operating under the assumption that everybody playing crawl has every single monster in the game memorized and knows how strong they all are?

TrFi of Yred

Enslave Soul is cool, but my spectral being is always destroyed later, either in Zot or Depths' brutal fight. I slowly lose most of Yred's gift in Depths and it's a pain in the ass to collect new vampires / bone dragons / profane servitors.

I admit mass army is nice and makes most fight easier, but once you lose most of them, you'll become powerless and miss them. I still prefer Hep over Yred, because Hep's power is more consistent.

>>152583674
>Or what, are you operating under the assumption that everybody playing crawl has every single monster in the game memorized and knows how strong they all are?
Where do you think we are?

>>152582704
it's something that's already stated in the description as "it looks easy/dangerous/extremely dangerous" etc, it's just a way to save you from xving everything in sight

>>152583674

>are you operating under the assumption that everybody playing crawl has every single monster in the game memorized and knows how strong they all are

Are you new to Crawl?

Altars do spawn in the Infinite Dungeon in ADOM, right?
I really need to generate one for ID purposes.

>>152581539
>moving your left hand from asdf to o

you have to leave the home row and move your hand all over the place like a fucking animal just to hit common keys like I, O, P, or ?

numpad is so much worse for roguelikes if they have any controls at all on the right side of the keyboard

>>152584276
wtf is P

>>152584393
(P)ut on, you fucking numbskull.

>>152584393

wear jewelry

>>152583749
Honestly, positioning matters a lot when you're a yredude, and the AI being kinda retarded doesn't help, honestly. Sometimes you just have to tell those faggots to follow instead of pressing on the attack or burn a tele + recall to regroup somewhere else on the level.
Also if you see a dangerous unique, especially if it's a caster with an AOE, it's better to just burn a blink/quaff a haste and, again, recall once at melee range.
>I still prefer Hep over Yred, because Hep's power is more consistent.
You're most likely right in that assumption. Honestly half the fun is just trying to catch a strong rare yredmon. But if you manage to get your hands on some tasty soul like Mennas or Dissolution, then the game becomes a wild ride straight to the orb.

>>152584525
Is dissolution better than trj?

>>152584157
Of course. Someone who has memorized all the monsters has no use for needing to know the dangerousness of monsters, but by that logic they also have no need for the enemy list at all. Why the hell are you commenting on which enemy list is easier to use when you don't use it at all?

>>152583674
>Or what, are you operating under the assumption that everybody playing crawl has every single monster in the game memorized and knows how strong they all are?

At least you need to know their signature attack.
Usually, you know they're dangerous after you read their spell sets, or after they "accidentally" kill you..

Sonja with dagger of distortion
Lich, ogre magi. Louise with Banishment
Juggernaut, titanic slime creature with OHKO punch
Jory, Deep Elf Annihilator with LCS
Neqoxec, Cacodemon, Orb of Fire with malmutate

etc.

The trick to killing TRJ was lignification -> torment -> torment -> immolation right

>>152584639
No, but Dissolution can be enslaved, since """lore-wise""" it's the high priest of Jiyva and the only one from the destroyed city of Slime Pits who sweared fealty to Jiyva instead of dying.
TRJ is mindless, sadly, and you can only enslave intelligent beings.
I should really try some day to just dive hell/pan and attempt enslaving some *lord before my piety counter runs out.

What are some good early and midgame enslaved souls?

>>152585181
Anything that summons.

>>152585181
Nergalle.

>>152584887
can you ?blink in tree form? if so that'd probably work

>>152584276
Numpad movement is positioned more analogously in accordance to the direction it moves your character, as opposed to hjkl. This is what makes it superior.

>leave home row
>Implying you don't rest on zxcv more often than asdf anyway.

>>152585181
Nergalle is top tier IMO, her spectral orc warriors often have branded weapons, and she quickly floods the screen with them. Can probably carry you through the both lair branches, just mind her hp.
I also think it's the most ironic thing in Crawl to keep her as a spectral slave.
Later on you can always get an elf demo or troll shaman.

>>152584887

No, you cast Firestorm 3 times and it dies. Thank me later.

>>152585458
you cannot blink

you can cancel treeform with !cancel though

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>>152585461
>>Implying you don't rest on zxcv more often than asdf anyway.
t. shitter who can't touch-type

>>152585461
>rest on zxcv
Nobody who knows how to type does this.
It's just your bad habit, my lad.

>>152573892
You fist.

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Abyssed so much I got its rune third.

>>152586297
Can I play MuMo on rlgrobin?
What's the pass?

>>152585969
>>152586138
>bad habbit
My AWPM is over a hundred easily.

i bet you look at the keyboard to see where they keys are anon

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>>152585461
>rest on zxcv
End your life.

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>>152587056
I rest my hands over the keys that I'm most likely to use next. For crawl, I'm most likely to use z, x, and v with my left hand. Doing anything else just strikes me as plain silly. Home row has always been a crutch that I've never even entertained.

the rlgrobin trunk dude is disgusting by the way
who would even use axes

Can one of you people port a roguelike to 3ds? Preferably in ASCII?

>>152585784
You actually cant lmao

>>152586486
Yes, you can do whatever
All accounts have the same pass, ownfault EXCEPT xtahua, which is robin

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What the LITERAL fuck

>>152587649
Sure dude no problem, it will only take a second.

>>152588102
Don't worry, since you collected all those gloves you should be able to handle this.

>>152588102
I've seen them as early as D:6 in theses newest patches.

>>152588713
They're on autopickup due to the init file

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>>152587348
Fucking amateurs.

Would you guys say that roguelikes are the most satisfying games to play?

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Apt.

>>152588102
>6027 turns
you should already be balls deep in lair lad, you're taking too long

>>152590847
Livin' the dream

>>152584887
The not horribly underleveled melee fighter way:
1. Fight in the corridor. If TRJ comes out of the middle part, just lure it back in while hasted.
2. Summon some shit and make it stand *behind* you. It will cover your back from TRJ-spawned jellies at least for a few turns.
3. Buff yourself up.
4. Use Phantom Mirror on TRJ.
5. Start hitting TRJ.
6. ???
7. profit

The Fedhas way:
1. Take TRJ outside of the middle part.
2. Haste yourself so you can gain some ground.
3. Sunlight TRJ a few times so it's surrounded by deep water.
4. Shoot at it with a ranged weapon of your choice and watch it being unable to spawn jellies as it's surrounded by deep water.

The high level hexer way:
1. Read a ?vulnerability or two.
2. Apply Discord
3. Watch as the in-fighting between jellies unfolds.
4. Have some backup plan in case it doesn't kill TRJ

why would you tab a vampire like that

>fisted by a half-dead sissy
So this is what shame feels like.

>>152590923
I don't really care about turncount. I'm not even sure that's even true unless you're speedrunning, besides

>>152593398
it's just a vampire bro

I guess they're strong-ish?

So how do you Abyss with MuMo now that SustAt is gone? How do you deal with horrendous stat drains?

>>152593912
Unless they removed it, mummies can use self-restoration on themselves to heal stat/hp rot

>>152594153
they removed the self-restore at the same time as they changed malmut to apply statdrain instead of rot

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So i started playing poschengband
Finally got the hang of controls and now i can start becoming gud at the game itself

Should i continue with it or am i wasting my time?
Which roguelike do you like the most anons?

>>152590847
Heh.. How fitting

>>152595359
A PCB win usually takes almost 2 IRL days' worth of playtime, a good chunk of that spent on grinding that will make you want to kill yourself AND the endgame is so bullshit you probably won't survive anyways

If you're gonna play it at least play the mpa fork. But it's most likely wasting your time

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>>152596127
Which game should i play then?
Before I become too invested to switch

>>152595359
you must win

>>152596325
play pcb anyways, it's fun

>>152595359
>>152596325
Play what you find fun.

>>152596325
Nethack. It's just so fucking good. Its only real flaw is the relative lack of starting races.

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>>152596859
>>152596838
aight thanks anons

>>152545974
no, pls. That is Thomas Biskup, a closed-source roguelike god.

>>152597372
>closed-source
>anything but turbo-scrub

are there any roguelikes with cool robots an cyberpunky stuff

>>152597560
dda

>>152597560
cogmind

>>152597505
exactly, this is my joke. He is a god of scrubs.

>>152597887
Fuck off shill!

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>>152597560
Unfortunately they are all bad and thus the robots are not cool.

What is a good race/class to start off with to learn Poschengband? Should I just go human?

>>152599368
demigod every time

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Is that a fucking shapeshifter? Isn't this a bit early?

>>152599368
Half-Titan Warrior/Monk/almost any other melee class
Demigod of Zeus Mauler/Warrior/Monk/almost any other melee class

>>152599494
Wait, it has a weapon so it can't be a shapeshifter

I literally got a merfolk on D:9

>>152598313
thats sad
what are the bad games you refer to though

>>152599460
>>152599546
why no one recommends amberite

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>>152600197

>>152600283
What's the big deal about amberite curses?

Never got that far in PCB.

>>152599368
human is actually really good because of the perks you can take at 30

demigod is stronger because they get 2 of the human perks and better stats but they also have a godawful xp penalty so leveling up takes more grinding than any other race

part of why rlg hates pcb is because they always pick demigods and then they're stuck grindan xp for a million years

>>152600617
Well they got nerfed but can still summon cyberdemons or paralyze so can potentially be pretty bad.

>>152600617
They are pretty random so sometimes they just curse your inventory or drain your stats and sometimes they summon uniques or cyberdemons, paralyse you through freeaction, or do other extremely dangerous shit

basically you should not kill an amberite unless you have some sort of reliable "get the fuck out of danger" button (teleport level is great for notdie but you lose out on all loot of course) or an item with antimagic which will *usually* but not always block the blood curse

>>152599946
CDDA and Cogmind.
I guess TSL is good and I have never tried Gearhead so perhaps they are not all bad.
TSL is very light on content though.

>>152600197
Amberites are just humans with high xp penalties, no feats (I think?) and some healing junk.

>>152601174
they get better stats and regeneration

they also get recall, restoration, and alter reality as racial powers

>>152601525
wait no they don't have recall

but they get alter reality at 30 and the abilitiy to restore all drained stats + xp at 40

both sort of useful but not essential i guess

alter reality is just a faster version of "recall to town then recall back"

>>152600876
It's not that serious.
Just don't try to fight the amberites too early, since if you struggle while fighting them you may get killed by the death curse.
Of course, making sure you're at full HP or close when you kill them and swapping in [AM is a good idea as well.

The worst thing about amberite death curses is that they will often blow up all the loot. If the amberite is a wanted monster this includes their corpse! Very annoying when this happens. And it's much more likely than just outright killing you.

>>152601816
the main problem is the summoning IMO

even if it doesn't blow up the loot you usually have to teleport away and then there's more uniques including possibly another amberite that you have to kill before you can get to the loot

>>152602145
Yeah, you usually have to fight to get back your loot. Sometimes its fun, sometimes it's just tedious.
Sometimes it's just awful because you didn't see that the curse summoned an item eater and you get through all the junk that it summoned and find there's nothing left.
Sometimes its hilarious because the curse summoned another amberite.

>>152600197
>>152599546
>>152599368
Does anyone else choose the "real life" generate option? I always liked some randomness in character generation since I die a lot, and manually choosing a new one each time is tedious - but of course, also for the fun and variety.

I'm a complete beginner at PCB (played other *bands though), so I will over-ride a bullshit random character. idk, I'm having fun with it.

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ever since i beat DCSS on a GrGl, i totally lost the incentive to play it. The utter lack of immersion just kills DCSS in my opinion, there's almost zero world story, you're locked into a fucking dungeon and get a hillybilly ball and bring it back to the surface. It really is just a game of competition to show who has the biggest balls by rolling the most retarded backgrounds to 15 rune win the game. I don't like competition in my rougelikes.

please tell me how could i get motivated to play it again, since every time i think of a cool combo, i just die and go back go GrEE and GrGl to steamroll through the first 2 runes and then die in the vault by a lich lord being a cheeky bastard and 1-shotting me with a crystal spear for 180 damage.

>>152602737
Yes I choose it when I am making a wizmode character and the race doesn't matter since it's faster. :^)

>>152602912
>>152602737
I wish Sil had a randomization option, especially for allocating stats and points to skills. I like the granular control, but it does get a little tedious sometimes.

>>152602889
KoBe or KoEn is fun

>>152602889
Yo here's a tip: if you don't like DCSS you shouldn't play it.
Many people are very successful at not doing things they don't enjoy, give it a try some time.

>>152602889
Totally agree man
The devs sucked out all of the delicious flavor that was in DCSS
Now it's just about who has the highest winrate, longest win streak, lowest turn count, or shortest real time win. The combat isn't even interesting

You should play something else instead of DCSS desu

>>152602889
>It really is just a game of competition to show who has the biggest balls by rolling the most retarded backgrounds to 15 rune win the game. I don't like competition in my rougelikes.
DCSS is not very difficult but you hardly "solved" it if you're unable to win a shit/random combo. If you don't enjoy the game don't play it but you should try to win some difficult combos to prove to yourself that you can, then move on to other games.

>>152602889
>You can't go down here!
>You have escaped!
You're not allowed to say you won Crawl if your victory log contains this.

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Well, he's not wrong.

>>152602889
>since every time i think of a cool combo, i just die and go back go GrEE and GrGl
it seems like you have clearly identified the problem

pick a cool combo and then actually stick with it instead of giving up instantly

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>>152602889

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Kobold Banquet!!

I was able to quaff might and crush 'em in a killhole, but i thought this was a fun little thing to run into

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>>152604020
>inb4 maximum damage control
I play on english keyset settings, and on my native keyboard settings, those characters are switched.
you can post your victory screen as well and i'll gladly tell you why you cannot say you won crawl. na just kidding, i know i suck but at least it's an achievement.

>>152604295
mfw

>>152604324
Why would you waste a potion on that..

>>152604702
On his defense it was D:4, a big kobold could have been sort of dangerous and they often spawn with blowguns on that vault

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>>152604324
>gargoyle having to use consumables to melee enemies one at a time

>>152604951
Hes a Gr?????????

>>152602889
>Playing gargoyles
DELETE ALL GARGOYLE POSTS. IGNORE ALL GARGOYLE THREADS.

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>>152604580
>being this buttblasted about someone making a joke about the common case of players confusing < and >
God damn, mate. I'm here for you if you wanna talk about your anger issues.

>>152590760
No. The only roguelike anyone plays anymore is DCSS, and it's the opposite of satisfying. It's like a drug addiction where you're just trying to get another fix.

>>152605127
I desperately want to find another roguelike to enjoy but everything feels flavourless and too AD&D-y.

>>152605097
He doesn't seem particularly upset to me.
On the other hand he is a Gr player.

>>152605349
You can't get any more flavorless than Crawl
The devs explicitly delete flavor and avoid adding any under most circumstances

>>152605349
what's ad&d
also demon has tons of flavor, although the levels themselves are boring
also sil is good
and elona and dda are jam packed with flavor

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>>152605828
>tfw thinkin bout demon with good level generation

>>152604951

Yeah man they spawned a bunch of blowguns but i was worried about the Big boy since sometimes they're punishing and i was a unique-looking room.

Spend a potion or splat? I had no Tele, no spells, looked good to me senpai

>>152604951
>>152606442
Gargoyles are immune to poison and have higher AC than other races.

On the other hand it is always better to spend then to save up foolishly.

>>152605593
>On the other hand he is a Gr player.
Exactly the kind of mentality i wanted to address in my post. If you give a fuck about what race you beat the game with, you're on an entirely different dimension about DCSS. I don't care about what background I play unless i can play it safely and I'm familiar with it.

I'd like to see a statistic about what percentage of players actually achieved a victory, and the count of victories on those who won at leat once. I'm guessing the vast majority of players not beating it once, and most winners having more than 10 victories.

>>152605769
Crawl has gods that go a little beyond "LAW GOOD GUY, NEUTRAL GUY, CHAOTIC GUY" like many other roguelikes, at least.
Even if the world itself is limited to a boring as fuck dungeon, some uniques are pretty memorable and memetic.
Also Zot itself is a pretty cool place, even if it doesn't have giant flying fetuses anymore.
>>152605828
>zombies
>manhacks from HL2
>AND mi-go
Nah, DDA is all over the place, although not even close to pcb in that regard, which has amberites and Dio fucking Brando mashed together.

>>152606442
>>152606650
Its bunch of kobolds, with no weapons or short swords, he would take like 5 damage max in a choke point or if he was surrounded by up to 3 of those.. Sometimes its best to study the wiki and learndb, learn what each race offers to the table and such you know, it helps a lot in the long run not to waste resources or anything

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RECOMMEND ME THE BEST ELONA VERSION TO PLAY, FUCK

>>152606693
Gargoyle posters play on easy mode, and think they actually got gud. Literally easier than minotaurs. Its the first step in branching out and playing other races, and realizing that not everything is a turbotab diesel engine that is immune to half the game.

>>152606693
Anon we're just taking the piss.
Please calm down and stop acting like a stereotypical Gr player.

>I'd like to see a statistic about what percentage of players actually achieved a victory, and the count of victories on those who won at leat once. I'm guessing the vast majority of players not beating it once, and most winners having more than 10 victories.
Your assumption is partially correct.
Most winners do not have more than ten victories.
However! Most winners with more than 10 victories tend to average much higher than 10 victories.

The average win rate is a little under 2%(depending on version), and this is hugely skewed by the amount of people who win very often.

>>152606809
Yeah I agree that he didn't need it, but I think that his approach is better than the opposite- which many players do.

>>152607110
Touche, i appreciate that he did, i really am, at least it wasnt MiBe just doing ab ab ab ab ab

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>>152606853
Anyone? I used to play Elona+ but I heard there's a new version so I'm unsure.

>>152607261
I would argue that GrFi^Oka is easier than MiBe.
At least with MiBe you kinda get to learn when to press your red screen button and when to press your summon angry bears button and THEN press the red screen button.

>>152607287
It has been 6 minutes and no one plays elona here. Unfortunately you may have to wait a long time for a response to questions re:underplayed games.

Or try the /jp/ thread.

>>152607562
Used to having posts get buried in generals senpai. It also seems odd nobody plays elona here, how come? I thought it was a very popular roguelike?

>>152607475
I disagree for a few reasons

>>152607650
Most elonafriends seem to have been exiled to /jp/.
I'm actually quite willing to try out elona myself, since I heard you can genetically engineer lolis n shiet.

>>152607783
An unexperienced double minotaur can still get fucked by snake/spider and shoals easily while gargoyles are immune to literally both gimmicks of those branch types.

Crawls problem is that everything plays the same
There is no real difference between a MiBe and a HaWn^Zin

>>152607475

I'm the GrFi guy and i can def say that GrFi of Oka is literally the easiest combo to play. I like playing it because it's the quickest for me to get into the midgame, but i can stress for sure that it is EZ mode.

Any deficiencies you have as a player are made up for by Okawaru's insane god gifts, all you need to do is know when to slow down and start keeping resistance gear.

Also, for what it's worth, i think GrFi of Qazlal is pretty underrated as an OP build. When you have full pump and 10+ invo, you have a marginal chance of obliterating pretty much anything that dares to touch you, almost every round. P good senpai

>>152608108
Gr is easier than Mi (Until you run into LCS and Hellfire)
Fi^Oka is not easier than Be

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s-should i go for it?

>>152608193
>HaWn^Zin
>recite
>powerful panicbuttons
>can't quaff mut/eat mut chunks or you'll suffer THA LAW'S wrath
>can actually pick up some utility spells
try again.

>>152608415
Youll mostlikely die, do you have a heal wounds or maybe tree form pot? If so, pop that then bolt, if not then bolt him, youre dead either way

>>152608223
Merfolk gladiator of Qaz is an easy modo/meme build for a reason, and is much better than the GrFi. Qazloud friends are so good for newer players.

>>152608648
>him

Aizul is a girl.

>>152608223
Qazlal is good on everything because Desaster Area is pretty much 10 Slouches for only 2times the cost

>>152607287
download the latest version of elona+ (v1.61) with the elonacustom mod (which adds more english translation and some other stuff)

>>152607942
you can send your pet loli to your ranch to breed and then sell all the extra skins of little girl for $$$

Why do you guys barely talk about ADoM even though its generally considered to be one of the big classic roguelikes?

>>152603189
Why do people around here call redundancy, scumming, exploits and general cheese "flavour"? You whined exactly the same about ADOM when it was brought back from the dead too.

>>152608468
most of every fight is still just tabbing shit to death in melee
the mut thing is mostly a flavor thing more than a gameplay difference

>>152609160
>ADoM
>Best at anything

>>152609272
>most of every fight is still just tabbing shit to death in melee
You mean, just like pretty much any roguelike aside from tome which is just a turnbased diablo on hardcore?

>>152606983
So everyone is a shitter
How can anyone say DCSS is easy when they have sub 50% win rate on the harder combos?

>>152609232
Because roguelikes are singler player, they dont need balance
You can always choose not to use it

>>152609160
Because all the small, non-classic roguelikes have the best quality content.

>>152609160
adom isn't random enough
its always the same shit
get blanket, do puppey, go dworf town etc

>>152607650
We used to be Elona general a while back. And I used to play it a lot too but meh, I was spending too much time not actually dungeon crawling. And getting one-shotted without warning sucks ass and makes it not a roguelike if you restart which I always did