/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

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first for carbon star

>>151947949
How large are you planning on making the gun(s)? Like, if you put them in a big box how large would the box have to be?

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rate my factory

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>>151949517
I have absolutely no idea, I don't even know what I'm making this boat for. I have this much space.

>>151949406

Do You Think There Could Be Life In The Atmosphere Of A Carbon Star

What's the actual point of a motor driven barrel if it's on a turret anyway?

>>151950810
it's so you can build turret-less guns that can aim

>>151950735
Of course, it's full of carbon based lifeforms.

>>151949986
Looks like you've got a modest amount of space set aside. Both a CRAM or an APS could work, I'd recommend a CRAM with a 3-5-5-5-3 "plus" shape profile under the deck.
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That'll turn freely in the space you have available. A 3x3 neck can turn in a 3x3 hole, and then you can jam whatever you please abovedeck.

>>151950810
Elevation. Faster aiming. Aiming beyond turret rotation constraints.

>>151950735
No. Carbon plasma is in the core.
Stars are way too hot to harbor life - the temperatures would simply rip any potential organic molecules apart. Even compounds with deuterium instead of protium.

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What happened to /kspg/?

>>151952128
>>>/trash/

Reasons: scat snek, cat cock, scam spic

>>151951106
Ok so I don't really need it on a turret then?

>>151951531
I'm a bit confused on how to set up autoloaders and ammo boxes, do I need a separate ammo box for each autoloader and vice versa? I'm not sure how to put more than two pellet types into the ammo.

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>>151949746
spaghetti/10

Is it relatively simple to automate a 90 degree rotation coupled with merge blocks and connectors in spess?

>>151952450
delete this it triggers me

>>151952309
>Ok so I don't really need it on a turret then?
If you don't mind having a 90 degree aiming field in the direction of a gun, sure.
However, in a boat, it's better to have it in a turret.

>>151952309
>I'm a bit confused on how to set up autoloaders and ammo boxes, do I need a separate ammo box for each autoloader and vice versa?
The opposite is preferable, actually. Each autoloader can connect to up to three pellets/ammo boxes (when you're placing it, three of the sides will be "out arrows", those are the sides that can connect) and each ammo box / pellet can connect to any number of autoloaders. The system doesn't count number of boxes/pellets, just the number of connections.

>I'm not sure how to put more than two pellet types into the ammo.
Just have multiple pellet types. Doesn't even have to be connected to the same autoloader.

>>151952716
No I meant I don't need the motor barrel if I have a turret anyway, not the other way around.

>>151952759
I'm even more confused now, Jesus Christ.

>>151952482
Can probably do it with timer blocks and buttons/sensors, no programming. But my money is on rotors immediately exploding because game thinks -90 degree to 0 degree means something other than you think it means. Might be 0 to 90 is what you want, but game wont tell you that and CLANGCLANGCLANG

>>151953062
Of course, any prototyping is done with a whole lot of ctrl+b in creative mode.

>>151953018
ah, then yeah, you don't need it.
I only use elevation, normal and recoil barrels in my turrets

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>>151953018
These setups both have four connections. Thus, both give the same effect.

>>151952450
This may be a hell of a spaghetti factory, but it looks absolutely comfy.

>Building ship in spengies
>Accidentally knock the landing gear loose
>Ship spins off into orbit at a leisurely 50m/s without any slowdown or inbuilt thrust

For fuck's sake

>>151953961
>CRAM autoloaders don't connect to each other like AdCannons'
Life isn't fair.

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>>151953961

But where do I put the ammo box?

Also can I just put the pellets in a row without the second connection to the autoloader?

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>>151954607
>stealing the A S S T A S T I C ship and their TBM
>attaching thrusters to the station then riding it out of bounds

>>151952450
I want to go through this base with a flamethrower

>>151955003
You're a fucking retard.

Ammo box can go wherever a pellet goes, same mechanics.

Connect autoloader to pellet/ammo. Pellet/pellet is gay and wrong and god hates you for even proposing the idea.

CONNECTIONS matter, not individual blocks. Putting things not next to each other is waste. Put autoloader to pellet/ammo.

>>151954750
>CRAM autoloaders don't explode into a supernova that destroys half of your ship when accosted with harsh words

Life isn't fair.

>>151955431
>You're a fucking retard
I know :(

>Ammo box can go wherever a pellet goes, same mechanics.
If I have multiple pellets and multiple ammo boxes, will all ammo boxes be filled with the same pellet combination? For example if I have one ammo box with an autoloader and two blue pellets, and one ammo box with an autoloader and two red pellets, will the end result be ammo with two blue and two red?

>>151955823
Where the fuck did you get the idea that pellets are fed to ammo boxes?

The pellet mix is a property of the gun, not of the ammo boxes. If you have two autoloader-blue connections and two autoloader-red connections you'll have a shell that's half HE and half AP.

>>151955823
ammo boxes and pellets are two different things.
ammo boxes are how much shit you can shoot.
pellets are what kind of shit you're going to shoot

>>151956175
>Where the fuck did you get the idea that pellets are fed to ammo boxes?
I...don't know.

>>151956175
So it doesn't matter that they're on separate autoloaders?

>>151956584
>So it doesn't matter that they're on separate autoloaders?
Niet.

>>151954678
Clang is a harsh mistress. Our only hope is that it might ignore us sometimes.

>>151957135
>>151956175
Ok, so one more question: how many of each pellet do I really need, considering the size constraints?

>>151958053
Hardener - depending on required AP value.
HE - more = better; more damage, bigger blast radius
Frag - again, as much as you can cram hue in; increases shrapnel count (up to a limit) and it's damage
EMP - more = better

So, all in all, add enough ammo boxes, raise AP to required value, if needed at all, and fill the rest with pellets of your choosing.

>Timer blocks still don't function like timer blocks with proper delay and just auto shits out every single command
jesus christ it's been what, two years?

>>151959154
Anon, you can use a sequence of timers to set up the desired delay between commands.

>>151959491
Yes, but that kind of defeats the purpose as you may as well just use programming blocks and forego the entire fucking clustershit.

>>151958053
More is always better.

Each ammo box recovers 1 ammo per second. The CRAM cannon displays the ammo cost of the shot (which is purely a function of gauge) and the reload time. Ammo cost per shot divided by reload time equals needed number of ammo boxes to sustain fire. Of course, each ammo box you connect to an autoloader decreases reload time, so if you're blazing away as fast as possible this'll be a moving target. Setting a minimum packing time can be a VERY good thing since it both simplifies this and makes each shot more powerful which makes up for the slower rate of fire.

Once you have enough ammo to sustain your desired rate of fire, the rest should be pellets in whatever mix you feel like.

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>>151952450

So, do connectors not cause clang any more? I just tried merging a 30rpm rotating rotor connector to a stationary one and it didn't even get damaged.

>>151961045
Do you want CLANG? Because coming here saying that something doesn't CLANG anymore will give you CLANG

>>151959664
>Setting a minimum packing time can be a VERY good thing since it both simplifies this and makes each shot more powerful which makes up for the slower rate of fire.
In light of this, is making twin and more cannons turrets more efficient? You get more chances to hit the target due to trajectory deviation and inflict more damage, as well as increasing the chances of shells to overwhelm point defense.
Is building smaller twin cannon turret more efficient than single big cannon one?

>>151961248
Bitch, please, the chaos engine prototypes came from me and were BASED on rotating rotors and connector pulls.

speaking of which I should probably try that on a ship instead of a station...

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>>151961342
I have this... thing. It's tiny, but the two cannons can leave usless another boat of the same size in just one volley

Be sure to give your support to Space engine on >>>/v/348617665

>>151961953
>shilling

>>151961953
>shilling

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>>151961953
>Module-based ships with a 3D constructor
Space Engine can become /egg/ one day.
>>151962258
>>151962296
Go on dick, homosexuals.

>>151961342
It depends (TM).
Really tiny cannons are crap. Really big cannons hit diminishing returns. With a turret of your size, go for one gun.

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>>151961045
>>151961248
>>151961396
>does not retain inherent velocity, comes to a complete standstill sans any thrusters of gyros on its' own
innnteresting.

>>151963324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lcGnMhvsA

Clangdrive when

>>151963324
>'No Time For Caution' blasts violently

>>151964692
This may be useful >>151963324 ? exerting a reasonable amount of force with a disproportionally tiny amount of power (presumably just that needed to be turned on)

>>151964943
I mean, it has a rotational velocity, but not much more for the time being.

Of course, there's also the possibility of multi-rotor-rotational-blocks exerting enough velocity to, eventually, exert enough directional velocity with counter-measures to push all the force a singular way, but that's just asking to make a massive hulk of a thing.

Though, yes, the power usage remains 0.28% whether stationary or rotating.

>>151965259
>>151965259
Well yea, my point was that even if its a small force it's being generated by physics engine oversights/non-real... parts/clang and this guy is asking for clang engines

fuck knows how you'd translate that into moving anything with it but this is clang we're talking about

thanks for the factual feedback tho anon

>>151965601
I have another answer

increase STRENGTH / pull in a particular direction while all five other sides are rotating to even out the fucking clusterfuck of velocity pull that one side is making

brb one second.

>>151963304
What's the sweet spot for CRAM gauge? I know it's ~125 for AdCannons.

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>>151965875
>>151965601
Here's a prototype, if anyone cares to see if being able to make programmable blocks and timers to set up a particular rotation and pull on each side makes it work properly, be my guest.

>3x3x3 cube (default size, incremental)
>Rotor, 1 block, 4 connectors, each side, equal amount of connectors on cube
>a power source
>seat

>>151967243
Oh and the power usage for 4*6 connectors and 6 rotors is 1.68%

>>151959664
>More is always better.
But how little is enough, what's the minimum?

>>151965875
>>151967243
even though I started this line of thought I have no clue what this achieves other than hilarity, anon

aren't they just going to spin? and clang, but I suppose that IS the point?

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>>151967243
>It's an Anon tries to harness the power of CLANG episode.
This seems like a really bad idea.

>>151967963
It made a horrible sound when I turned strength to 100%, but it didn't get damaged or anything.

>>151967862
What if you used a two-point rotor - a rotor placed on the block that holds those connectors... and spin it the other way, with another set of connectors?

>>151968123
so: each set spins counter to the opposite set in attempt to... clang? and you've set the connector 'magnetism' to 100% with only noises as the backlash, if I'm following this correctly

godspeed anon

Is it possible to turn off a PID in LUA? I was trying to set up hydrofoils or PID with an ACB to either set hydrofoils to 0 or somehow influence the PID or something when going backwards, but it's not happening.

Any idea why? Why can't I just manually override the General PID or turn it off?

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>>151968587
Just prototyping right now.

100% strength on connectors, 30rpm same direction on all sides, a fuckload of sounds, no damage, and damage -is- on.

Basically, what this means is that I can perform an extension of this onto something else, like, say, a spinning, extendable arm for drilling that can then connect without any problems at all to the main part, and not have to worry about clang.

>>151968972
Just make PID function in LUA and fuck with it as you please.

>>151969319
>Just

>>151969041
Ah, gotcha. That's pretty useful in itself, though I was hoping the magically generated forces could be twisted to be part of some kind of clang-engine as mentioned by some other anon.

Still, rotation and extention without explosions is valuable. Plus it looks scifi as fug

Good job senpai

>2016
>still using PID

>>151969524
Thing is, I used something just like this, I had a 10x10x10 cube with a small rotor of 4*2 on a single side and set it to 50% strength with 30rpm and it just spun wildly out of control in a direction with increasing speed

a... half a year ago or more? something like that.

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>>151967243
it spins and it wont stop

it's some sort of infernal clang machine

>>151969842
webbums

>>151969319
>>151969418
http://tyrannyofheaven.org/ZerothAngel/FtDScripts/subcontrol.lua

I found this, looks like it's meant for submarines, but it seems to allow for forward and backward movement with hydrofoils, I'll have to look into it.

>>151969678
sounds exploitable as fuck, I have vauge recollections of rotors just generating force adjactent to their spin (because jej keen) but somewhat sporadically and not in a simple vector, but with the amount of clang in everything and lack of testing it could have been anything

>>151969842
>use it with an arm on one side and fling nukes/missles/cluster bombs with minimal energy/thruster input

it could be a hyper efficient weapon if not an engine component

>>151966937
2000mm for CRAMs.

And for AdCannons sweet spot depends on what you're trying to do with it.

>>151967498
1 is the minimum.

>>151970005
OMG

This works perfectly, if anyone doesn't know about it, you only have to edit a few things so that your hydrofoil ship doesn't act like a sub and go under water and shit.

As far as the forward/backward hydrofoil control goes, it works 110%, now I only have to remember the fucking PID block values that I deleted that didn't bob the goddamn thing up and down like default values.

>>151970969
>1 is the minimum.
OH COME ON.

>>151971127
Would a hearty "IT DEPENDS" suit your entitled asshole better when you shove it in next to your head?

>>151971127
Anon, I know that you're still new to FtD, but...
Could you just try the guns to see how you like it?
I mean, everybody here builds the guns in their own ways, so you won't have a best answer. Build a gun, test it, and if you don't like it's fire ratio, add more autoloaders with ammo boxes. If you don't like it's power, increase the gauge or use more pellets.

>>151971994
But that's exactly what I'm doing now, I just had a slight pause while I edited this >>151971001 >>151970005 shit to work properly. I'm just afraid I'm doing it wrong!

Anyone playing empyrion?

>>151970969
>2000mm
Thanks senpai.

Alright i started up FtD and started doing the tutorials. How the hell do i remove water from my vessel? I tried airpumps but they dont seem to do much

>>151972687
Is your vessel sealed?

>>151972786
Sealed as in no holes? Yes it is.

>>151972862
Put your build cursor over the pumps. Does it say if there are any leaks? If so, turn it off and on, sometimes it fails to recalc the room bounds.

>>151972951
Yeah that did it. Thanks

>>151972417
Yeah. It's looking great, but needs a bit more content to last more than a week.

So Empyrion vs Avorion?

>>151972951
>>151973005
Pulling vehicle in and out of play helps with systems getting stuck too.

>>151972786
i'll seal your vessel with my dick

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Added the modding toggles GUI to the main branch. Also made it purtier, fixed some issues, and made some QoL adjustments.

Is it possible to have one pellet box that's connected to two autoloaders that each go into a different cannon?

>>151975008
No, use the empty space between the two cannons to add something else

What would a nice non block based /egg/ game look like?

Oh my

So, I just need a planet and the reentry mod

It's a small ship weighing in at 3m kg, took like 15 minutes for the game to actually spawn it when I CTRL-V'd

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>>151974915
And the new tooltips with anti-stupidity warnings.

>>151975573
REM is looking nice, there's also GearBlocks, which is regularly updated and has working gears.

>>151975670
>It's a small ship weighing in at 3m kg, took like 15 minutes for the game to actually spawn it when I CTRL-V'd

That's your cue to uninstall before it CLANGs your computer senpai

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>>151975670
Fuck, I forgot the whole image part of my image-dependent post

>>151975163
Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugWyM1QcegY

This dude says that you can share pellets and ammo boxes for the autoloader bonus, but only one cannon gets ammo or pellet bonus, but it's from February so maybe it was changed?

>>151976068
>but only one cannon gets ammo or pellet bonus

And in >>151975008 you asked that "Is it possible to have one pellet box that's connected to two autoloaders that each go into a different cannon?"

It's possible? Yes. Will both of them get the bonus? No.
That's why i said no. If you can't get the bonus on both, why bother? Use that space to add detection devices or a missile launcher, or if you're using CRAM, try to fit a APS there

>>151975874
>>151975865
Oh boy, it's been so long since I've had things merge together

I can't wait for when they explode in 30 minutes

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>>151976504
HELL FUCKING YEAH.

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>>151976497
I keep doing it, someone kill me

I love you guys
Because you guys are autistic
Like me

>>151976851
Fuck you, there's no way you're as autistic as us.

I wish we could control FtD ships like in WoWs

>>151977347
But he unified weapon control (no joke) and added a "real" targeting thing when you target a enemy. So it's the same thing as WoWs

>>151977347
I wish i had a crew that could control the vehicle instead of an AI. You could build crew quarters, medbays and all that shit that comes around with having multiple people inside a vehicle

>>151977549
You can de-unify the weapon control in the options menu

>>151977564
When we had Corneroids general there was a indevelopment game that was that but in space. I don't remember the name and the OP is long missing (it had a list of in-dev ded games) so I lost track of it.

>tfw about to pirate FtD
>it's in my steam library
What sorcery is this?

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Meeeeems
>>151977883
shhhh only lesbotes now

>>151976504
At least post a forum link next time.
Not everyone here is a good Aryan.
http://www.fromthedepthsgame.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=22448

>>151978000
Why must you pollute Space Engine's beauty with this asinine bullshit?

>>151978197
/nmsg/ did it

>>151978318
Why would you go to such shitty generals?
Why would you crosspost bullshit from such generals like some enforced metastasising cancer?

>>151978469
Why do you care about anonymous anime image board culture?

>>151977883
Praise Führer.
Sacrifice a jew to the oven in gratitude.

>>151978561
Why do you care enough to purposefully try to destroy it?

>>151978561
Because it's not only superior to retard tier normal culture, it's the only culture we've got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4cafPOBubc

hey

languagehomo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMo3UJ4B4g

>>151979962
all new films are shit, no exceptions

>empyrion
>take my brand new capital ship for a ride
>find a weak ass alien outpost with only 2 turrets defending it
>broadside it with 5 cannon turrets on my ship
>one minute passes
>~800 cannon rounds fired
>literally no damage, both turrets are still firing at me
>half of the blocks of my ship look dented, will take 20 minutes of repair

Did I just waste my fucking time on a garbage game? I went back with a small
fighters and took out those turrets in 10 seconds. With all those cannon rounds, the enemy turrets should have been dead just from collateral damage. It's like the turrets fired but did literally nothing.

>>151978000
>>151978318
>blaming your shitposting on another general

Go back to Spore 2.0.

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>>151980519
triggered

>>151980846
Reading a rebbit post collating all of the shit the game promised and failed to deliver
Spore 2.0 fits the bill perfectly, because they did exactly what Maxis did, only better: let everyone down

>>151980519
I never looked into it, how hard is it to mod yarr harred Spore?

>>151978735
>>151978661
Sorry but /vg/ and all other bords can assplode for I all care. /diy/ and /out/ are the only good boards out there.
>bunker anon (guy bought a scandi air command and control bunker and is refurbishing it)
>1/2 ton of imitation crabmeat
The only problems are:
>pallet stuff that is just pallets in diferent positions

>>151980516
the autocannons are only good against infantry and small vehicles, you should use rockets, or plasma or something with explosives to kill armored stuff

>>151981371
I haven't touched Spore in years so I wouldn't know.
>>151981724
Why are you even here then?

>>151981765
My fighter's 15mm minigun kills turrets in seconds, so I assumed 30mm cannons would do fine. I'll try rockets I guess.

>>151982045
how far were you? autocannon range is like 600m

>>151982167
I flied pretty close to the outpost, pretty sure I could have fired out of the window with a pistol and hit it.

Just realized that the turrets might have picked up some aliens inside the base instead of the turrets and firing at walls instead.

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>>151981371
>have a legit copy lying around
Is there a way to get me to stop hating myself?

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>>151982581
turn your hate towards your butt and bully the fuck out of it

>>151982856
Butt... it's my butt. Why would I bully my own posterior?

>>151983052
Take out your anger on the butt instead of yourself.

Embrace the butthurt.

I don't understand how this is confusing for you.

>>151981724
>/diy/ and /out/
Completely unproductive boards. Wake me up when they have three albums out, a game, or a VN. At the very least their clubs aren't garbage. At least /out/'s isn't. Is /diy/ even in the elites right now?

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>>151983052
he wants to train your butt for when he uses it anon
is this your first time being hit on by a boy?

>>151983238
But it's MY butt. Taking anger on it is taking anger on myself and taking anger on myself would hurt me.
Hurting yourself is illogical. Why would I want to hurt myself?
>>151983512
>he wants to train your butt for when he uses it anon
OH. MY. GOODNESS.
>is this your first time being hit on by a boy?
Da.
Actually no, it's the second time.

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>>151982581
I know that feeling, Anon.
I know that feeling.

>page 10
wake up /egg/ it's time to go to sleep

>>151986141
How the hell do you do that though
Do you just ram up against the curb and keep going for like half a block

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>>151986409
Just wear on the tire breaking down the layers enough, happened to mine last month. Well, mine only had one bump, but still. Tires can be strange things.

>>151987139
I hate that I can tell that picture was taken in a sears shop.

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Should I continue trying to make the turret flush like the small one here despite the lack of space, or just go with the one block raised version like the bigger one here?

>>151989643
Never ever go flush. Flush guns can and will shoot the deck without a moment's hesitation.

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>even when I'm away from my computer I have to /egg/

>>151990064
You can manually set the firing angle/turret's rotatable area to avoid shooting your own blocks. There's nothing you can do to avoid shooting your own turrets, though...

>>151991630
>see thumbnail
>first thought is "it's not hard"
>open image
>just see loss

FUCK THIS ENTIRE WEBSITE

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>>151992238
I didn't even see it at first

For fuck's sake

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>>151992238
>>151992481

>>151991630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siawhQBRC8I

>>151992238
>>151992481
I don't get it

>>151992238
SON OF A BITCH
Now I fucking see it too.

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>>151993330
Maybe you'll get it someday

>>151991954
Cannons don't compensate for ballistic drop or imprecision, so unless you don't want it to be able to engage surface targets, flush WILL pop your deck.

>>151995096
>Cannons don't compensate for ballistic drop or imprecision
N3X15 GET IN HERE. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES OF BASIC WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

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Alright, this is how it looks so far. I have 6 blocks below the deck that are free (between the cannon parts), any ideas on what to put in them? Maybe I'll just use them for the LUA box and whatnot.

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>>151995274

>>151995505
>for the LUA box and whatnot.
If it can even exist on a turret, I just realized that it will probably try to control the turret instead of the ship because it's a separate object, am I correct? Fuck.

>>151995561
Just bump the angle of the cannons up to match the shell trajectory on launch. Probably a little more than five minutes if this requires recalculating the spawnpoint of the projectile but simple nonetheless.

>>151996050
They already do that, dude.

>>151996528
Then what the fuck does
>Cannons don't compensate for ballistic drop or imprecision
Mean in EXACT terms? I seem to remember most shells still having an upward arc from their origin at the muzzle.

>>151996050
Which cannons, specifically?

>>151996941
Whatever cannons are blowing out anon's deck because they point too low, unless he spoke the wrong words and "Cannons don't compensate for ballistic drop or imprecision" doesn''t mean what I think it means.

>>151997085
Yes, but which cannons? CRAM? Simple cannons? APS?

>>151995096
yo, fag, tell him what cannons.

>>151997174

>>151996804
If a cannon has a failsafe, but is on a flat deck it'll still fuck the deck up.
The reason being that the failsafe doesn't check shell drop and the cannon doesn't fire perfectly straight, so it flukes down a tad and since it has basically zero clearance already hits the deck.

>>151997337
Occurs with literally all cannons. And missiles and lasers if you mount them flush too.

>>151997660
Forgot to mention that the Pine in /egg/heim is a great example of this in action. Spawn in it and a surface ship, watch it fuck its deck to ribbons.

>>151995561
The real issue isn't with cannons but is that failsafes only check horizontally. Another two rays, one above and one below, would solve the issue.

>>151998396
Okay, I think I may have fixed it, I'll test.

Thank you.

>>151998396
>Another two rays, one above and one below, would solve the issue.
Kludgy but true. I'd rather he fix the calculations.

>>151999510
No need to add arcs to this. nice straight lines are more than good enough.

Although they should be a box, not a +. A + could let a corner of a block near the middle while a box doesn't.

memes

>>151999629
Think of it like a + and a x. Currently we just have a -. x is superior because ships are made of blocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n319xVomJTQ

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Need to redesign this with a swaybar.

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>>152001678
>>152001489

looking for a fun multiplayer engineering game that plays well with a bad connection

factorio was nice but 2KB/S map upload times are a dealbreaker, ya know?

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>>152001839

>>152002164
Well good luck with that then

Is it impossible to connect autoloader>6way>autoloader>6way? For some reason the 6way says it's not connected to the cannon but autoloader is.

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>>152002202
You can just push the front a few blocks into the front and leave space to fit one, so the whole thing floates on it, insead of the clusterfuck of connections you will have to do with an actual bar.
Have no idea what do in the back.

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>>152003453

>>151999318
Thanks man.
Also, fresh and hot off the forums:
> Nick should make helium flammable. But then again why can't we have vacuum pumps? :3

>>152003845
I thought about making hydrogen pumps, but then I had flashbacks to aerosols in SS13.

>>152003916
say ";ATMOS IS ON FIRE
say ";AGAIN

Bless you for having tried.

>>152003453
>>152003685
I was just gonna put a spring in the center to make a 3-link suspension system

Had to cut the damn thing in half and widen it so there was a center block though.

>>152002773
Nick sperged out that the original cannon design meta of autoloaders and ammo tesselated among 6-way connectors was too easy and arcadey, so now the only thing that 'works' on 6 way connectors are railgun chargers. You can run a long snake of gauge coolers between your autoloaders to connect them (which highlights Nick's Autism+Incompetence dev method; gauge coolers are basically 6 way connectors that are slightly harder to tesselate), or just hang autoloaders off each other; this gives a higher 'complexity' penalty so faster diminishing returns, but is fantastic for compact gun pods.

>>152004975
Well fuck. I have pretty much only a 1 brick deep 5x5 space.

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>>152004667
Suspensions geometry done by hand is a pain to do, but you can end up with some cool solutions if you exploit the game so much.

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>>152005584
I don't like to exploit the physics of the game, i try to make things as legitimately as possible.

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>>152005791
At least you get the credit of replicating reality.

I still cant belive that mechs didnt up being a thing in crap mechanic, looked less shaky and clangy to do mechfus.

>>152006187
cant do much about mechs in crap mechanics cus no wire or logic system

>>152006507
This, you need at minimum a programming capability that can call the exact position of where it is and read rotor positions.

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ok guys wish me luck, gona try to make this in crap mechanics, alway had a boner for this kind of wheels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZRe_0L5qiU

Discuss.

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>>152007552
If you are that anon.
Remember le charlestone.

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>>152008229
fucking weak asssuspension

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>>152008229
There's like 3 of us that regularly play crap mechs in egg.

I've modernized the crawler.

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shouldnt there have been an elevator in Spengies by now?

im so fucking sick of making these space-absorbing ugly boring and tedious-to-walk stairways

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>>152008389
>>152008668
Well, le monsieour, if the guy is not, you showed em the thing.
What i was thinking was to outsource the suspension system to the leg, so you will have more space in the interior and also make it simple.
Something along the lines of this shit draw.

>>152004975
>this gives a higher 'complexity' penalty so faster diminishing returns
Last I checked complexity was a flat factor. Number of autoloaders ^ 1/4. Did this change?

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>>151995505
>those engines
Cute little bote apart from that, though at that size you're probably much better off with a single cram cannon instead of a double.

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>>152009042
in spess play with gravity generators, in fixed stations in planets, go for piston elevators and some scripts.

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>>152009586

>>152009586
this looks like a decent substitute, but for real

>"Pistons and rotors were a mistake.'' - Keen

its not worth the risk of CLANG imo

>>152009487
>>those engines
They're just so that it moves while I build the rest, I'll put them somewhere inside later.

I'm not sure how to take screenshots with the UI so I can share my cannon stats, they seem really bad to me.

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>>152009771
Thats why i said fixed stations.
You will have to remove the speed cap, and review the lock speed of every single rotor, piston and wheel you have to set it higher, it will work, unless you try to do a 90° turn at very high speed and forget to manually lock the shit you know its making trouble.
But most of the times it holds up to 300 m/s pretty well in singleplayer.

>tfw no depressurized blaneds

>>152010507
Mars should be like that, but its not.
You can edit it if you want i think, or just delet the planet and put another one without atmosphere.

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>>152003845
>helium
>flammable

give me the link now

Regarding the whole "turrets blowing their own deck to pieces" discussion, here's my observations (keep in mind I haven't played in a few weeks, but this seems to be an old problem):
The problem isn't ballistic drop, it's inaccuracy. The vehicle checks if a perfectly accurate shot would hit itself. Normally, this would be close enough. However, when the gun is not all that accurate or when the shell passes particularly close to the deck, sometimes the deviation from a perfect course is enough to cause the shell to hit. The problem is most obvious when dealing with oldcannons because nucannons can be much more accurate, but I've seen it happen with both.

This gives rise to a certain favorite tactic of mine. Cheeki breeki your way onto a really big enemy ship and use your minigun to cut off the barrel of their nucannons, leaving only the mantlet. The gun only has 1m of barrel (since the mantlet counts as barrel) to (a) burn gunpowder and (b) increase accuracy. Watch as those same 500mm dustbins that have been wreaking havoc on your ships destroy theirs from within.

I may have discovered this while just shooting shit on enemy ships and getting blown up when their next volley landed on the deck next to me

>>152011428
http://www.fromthedepthsgame.com/forum/archive/index.php?thread-22984.html

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>>152009994
>>I'm not sure how to take screenshots with the UI so I can share my cannon stats, they seem really bad to me.
Nevermind I had to printscreen it, can someone tell me what's wrong with these stats please.

>>152014649
Your max elevation and muzzle velocity are both poor. Replace one of the standard barrel segments and the recoil reduction barrel with motorized barrels.
I'd have to see a screenshot at or around 4.82 seconds since last shot to really judge power of the guns. You might be best off merging them though, 571mm is pretty tiny.

>>152014649
>>152015071
Or pardon, at 10s since that's your set packing time.

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>>152015071
>>152015232
Here it is, I think I can make some more room inside for a few more blocks, but not a lot. I could add more gauge blocks outside?

I'm not really sure about the amount of each pellet boxes either.

>>152015832
More gauge on the outside and swapping the frag for more HE should be good. You're way below the critical mass threshold for frag CRAMs.

Also, what's your fuse setup? I notice it's taking 26% of the shell.

>>152016079
Damn, I just made it 1100gauge and it literally split some wooden ship I loaded from the workshop in two, didn't think there would be such a massive difference.

>critical mass threshold for frag CRAMs
What is it?

>Also, what's your fuse setup? I notice it's taking 26% of the shell.
It's 2m penetration depth and 10degrees angle to explode, I just copied it from a video or somewhere, should I change it?

>>152016769
Frag scales harder with size, frag below around 1800mm isn't really worth it.

>It's 2m penetration depth and 10degrees angle to explode, I just copied it from a video or somewhere, should I change it?
10 degree inertial is good. Penetration depth may or may not be worth keeping.
What's your new kinetic damage and AP off a fresh reload? If it's below around 2k at AP 20 I'd say to skip the penetration depth fuse. You won't be likely to punch deep enough to warrant it.

>>152009042
Spengies has gravity plating, for all of your Prey-ish gravity fuckery needs.

>>151992238
>>151992481
>>151993038
>>151993553

This website has broken you all.

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>>152017207
>What's your new kinetic damage and AP off a fresh reload? If it's below around 2k at AP 20
New stats in pic, it's 1840/11.4, how do you even get more AP, just hardeners?

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Grabbed the humble bundle, already own spengies so dumping my key here before I go to bed. To whichever anyn gave me an ftd key a year back we're even now

7PNW3-7L?73-R4A0H

It's A letter

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>>152017572
>the density level is now 1.8 after 10s

>>152017572
You need more SPEED on that packing
1.8 is SHITE

>>152018594
>>152018729
What, how, what do I need to do for that? Autoloaders?

>>152017572
Yeah, AP and kinetic damage are provided by hardeners. Your cannon doesn't quite have enough brute kinetic force (due to the AP value) to punch through a metal beam. Because metal 4m beams are the standard armor used by pretty much everything, I'd recommend leaving off the pendepth fuse and just sticking with the inertial fuse. Anything weak enough to punch through likely means a hull weak enough for the HE to rip a crater out of, and anything stronger would have stopped the shell fuse or not.

The current issue now is that your guns have a very limited internal ammo supply: you'll get two shots at full fire rate, a third at around two seconds of extra delay, then shoot up to 47 seconds between shots. I'd recommend ripping out all but one of the hardeners and replacing them with more ammo boxes. Maybe even all. Your kinetic damage isn't likely to be meaningful given you're not hitting high AP values.

>>152018594
>>152018729
Guys, it's literally baby's first cram. He's also making it tiny as fuck.

>>152018917
CONNECTIONS.

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>>152019049
>CONNECTIONS.
But it's extremely hard to make connections with one block height of space. Maybe if I cover more of the top, but then it will be extremely ugly. I could cover this entire area and fill it with one more row of shit below, but it seriously looks like the ugliest thing ever.

>>152019654
That's the tradeoff, if you want more powerful cannons, build a bigger hull.

>>152019654
>>152019768
What if I moved the cannons so they would be 3 blocks apart instead of just one? Would this just be too stupid and inaccurate?

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Trying to program some more complex behaviour into this thing. Eventual goals
>follow chains of food particles
>avoid walls
>random movement if no food adjacent
>limited memory, so it doesn't move into the area it just moved from

>>152009053
was planing on putting the suspension inside the leg, because this type of wheels with the suspension in the car dont work well ingame because of the torque pushing the arm down or up, literally overriding the suspension

>>152020589
Would work just fine.

>>152021162
algodoo
more like "i'll go doo-doo"

>>152021386

I wish
I'm constipated

Also some guy sperged out last thread at you for saying that which was a bit weird

>>152021485
he couldn't go doo-doo, either

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>>152021318
Not too far apart? If I do this then I can probably cover up more parts without it looking too shitty. Maybe even put that missile in the middle someone suggested before.

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>>152019654
>it's extremely hard to make connections with one block height of space
nigga

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>>152021760
I don't know man, i make the turrets like this

>>152021760
Yeah, that'll be totally fine. At any meaningful distance you'll have more imprecision due to scatter due to offset barrels.

>>152021863
He's making two guns, m8

>>152021908
THAT IS SO CUTE.

>>152021976
It's on the workshop if you want it
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=711936179

>>152021760
The cannons own innacuracy factor will cause the shells to land further apart than having the barrels a couple blocks apart will ever do. Besides, if they have any kind of azimuth adjustment they try and converge on the target.

>>152022258
>if they have any kind of azimuth adjustment
Why would you assume I had any idea what that was.

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>>152021919
Yeah, that was just an example to illustrate my point. For a double he can try one of the setups on the left, depending on how much space he's working with; or if he does a single system instead, like I've been suggesting, he could use the setup on the right as a starting point and likely be much better off.

>>152021760
Sorry if we're being too harsh, by the way. It's just banter, I'm enjoying watching you take your first steps here.

>>152022419
azimuth = horizontal aiming

>>152022419
Because literally every menu in FtD uses 'azimuth' to describe the horizontal axis, and if you've gotten as far as building a catamaran hull with a double CRAM cannon you'd have seen the term at least a dozen times.

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Any opinions on this besides being shit?

It's still WIP, the top wooden beams are going to be replaced

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>>152022993
It's nice

>>152022993
it's really nice, but i can't shake the thought of a pen depth shell destroying everything inside

>>152022468
My brain accidentally fell out and I ate it, so I wrote that I have a 5x5 space to fill, but it was actually 7x7. Now that I removed the roof and looked at how I filled it, it's somehow less efficient than your 5x7 example on the top right!
>>152022510
Thanks!
>>152022805
>implying I can read

>>152023398
Ah, I didn't see where you'd said how much space you had. 7x7 square? Un momento. And remember, the setup on the right is for a singloe cannon.

>>152023672
>top right
TOP LEFT FFS I really need to go to sleep.

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>>152023760
>sleep
WAIT COME BACK I'M NOT DONE AUTISMING AT YOU YET
You'll have to knock out some of the floor or ceiling for more connectors to make these work, but I'm sure by now you're noticing the pattern that efficient cram designs tend to follow.

>>152023672
>>152024116
He needs a turret that rotates in a 7x7.

>>152024116
The connectors have to be on another level for this to work, right? That's pretty much why I made the terribly inefficient version in the first place, imagine that but with half of the pellet/loader blocks replaced with connectors.

>>152024396
Technically I can sacrifice one block on each side and one on the front to make it 8x9, it won't fully rotate backwards so it could fit an entire 8x9 panel with no corners I think.

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>>152024592
Pic related, I can take one block off the front, MAYBE even one from the back so that it's 9x9, and the upper level can be 3x3.

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hung stranger coming

I need to prepare my ass

I don't want buttclang

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DRAMATIC
ACTION
SHOT

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>>152024396
I really shouldn't be spoonfeeding this hard, but I'm enjoying myself.

>>152024592
>>152024703
Ah, I see, so that's how it is. Back in a jiff!

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>>152022993
WHERE'S THE PAINT

PAINT YOUR STUFF

Other than that looks neat.

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>>152024872
Gotcha covered m8

>>152025129
>WHERE'S THE PAINT
>PAINT YOUR STUFF
It's still WIP, i'll paint it when it's finished. It's useless to paint blocks if i still don't know if i'm going to remove them

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>>152024905
This is what we're looking at for a 3x3 upper level. I imagine the one on the right is more efficient but I can't be assed to count the connections and check.

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>>152024872
<<nimbus launched>>

>>152025213
Protip: Choose the main fleet color and paint everything with it from the get-go so that you don't have to paint a 6k+ block monstrosity afterwards and then detail it later. Designs painted with unified fleet colors are guaranteed to be 200% more cool, radical and/or sicknasty.

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>>152024770
>still no rails in spengies

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>>152025402
While i agree with you in that painting a 6k+ block monstrosity is tedious as fuck, it allows me to do a double check on the vehicle to see if i missed something.

>>152025338
I don't even play FtD and I find that thing sexy as hell.

>>152025402
You know what irks me about the fleet paints? The forumtards seem to think that 'fleet detail' means half the fucking ship as if there wasn't an entire paint slot dedicated to a, wait for it, secondary paint colour!

I run a drab green for primary colour, black for secondary, with yellow stripe trim and red detail for below the waterline. This results in captured AI ships looking like kaleidoscopes of retardation, with giant obnoxious swatches of red and yellow everywhere.

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>>152025639
I use black as primary, blue as secondary, white to trim and light red for detail.

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>>152025614
thanks senpai

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>>152025824
Enjoy those clusterfucks of white and red when you capture AI then :^)

WF I can at least kind of forgive because their colours are white and various shades of red, but LH and DWG ships end up just as hideous.

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>>152024872

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>>152027436
There is nothing comfier than flying in formation on a heli-battleship pouring rape into a formation of DWG.

>>151951905
CFBDSIR 1458 10b would like to have a word with you.

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>>152025402
>6k blocks
>monstrosity
You've clearly never built a pre-dreadnought battleship to scale.

>>152027875
Is it a small convective star?
Anyway, the temperature still won't allow any organic molecules to form.

>>151951905
>organic life
Kek

>>152029637
I learned that lesson after building a 30k block design during my early hours. Suffice to say I have for some truly unknown reason remembered to paint the design from the get-go after that.

>>152029637
i-is this wows2?

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Cram vs. Advanced

>>152031079
Neither, both are getting unified very soon.

>>152031226
Wait, they are? [citation needed]

>>152031328
No it's just the butthurt guy again on his daily X is going to be unified again. He is like the Cao Cao poster of mountainblade general.

>>152031328
You just got meme'd son.

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I've been troubleshooting this shit for 40 minutes now

Question, do radar/sonar buoys count as an active sensor package for the craft that fired it? As in, if an enemy ship has passive sonar detection, they will pick up the buoy firing sonar waves everywhere, but does that track back to detecting the sub that fired it too, or just the buoy itself?

>>152031662
anon were you vaccinated?

>>152031806
I'd say just the buoy itself

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i finally done it, >>152007552
the colored thing is how the "arms" work, the axle is "fixed" to the car

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>>152031980
Sh-shutup

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>>152030962
It's all about AESTHETICS

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Narrowed it down, this gate won't open large enough for some reason

... I might go back to FtD.
But even though I own it, I think I'll just torrent the version directly before GRORIOUS NIKKU DING DONG RESORCU

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>>152032292

>>152034074
ok

>being forced to move from comfy apartment to dorm because of fire
>now have to live with other STEMautists I don't know
fug

>>152034496
why don't you autismgames with them

>>152034496
>0
And I have to study daily with STEMautists that are literally reditors. Kill me pls

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>>151993330
Seeing minimalst loss in arrengement of lines is the ultimate autism test.

>>152035575
Now I get it. Why though, why did the original author change the tones of the comic?

>>152035768
One popular theory suggests he had several blood clots in his brain.

>>152035937
No one interviewed that guy?

>>152035967
Why bother, what possible interesting thing can a guy who can only draw 1 face say

>>152036116
>content based on ability to draw faces
That's a shitty argument, but you can already tell through his writing that he doesn't have anything of interest to say.

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Scrap Mechanic is boring as all get out generally but I don't know of any game that can handle 25 rotors all screwing around like this anywhere near as well as it does.

>>152037368
>joints testing.webm

>>152037368
Now do it multiplayer