Final Fantasy General CCLVII - /ffg/

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WHO /WoL/ HERE?

>>151626516
Helmetless WoL > Red Warrior = WoL > Wol > Red WoL

>>151626337
Complete all content.
Login twice a day to get magicite before it hits the cap so you can buy a gift box (6 tickets and some other shit) every 20 days or so.

mobius is trash

be is trash

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NOW /A/ IS MAKING FUN OF XV AGAIN

>>151627405
>/A/
Who?

Threadly reminder that JP BE>>>>>>>>> GL BE

>>151627818
>trying this hard to be relevant
literal lol

Do you know the shit that's solid at first and turns to liquid later?
that's how i feel about Lenna

>>151627917
>giving (you)s to attention whores

You're part of the problem

And stop fucking spamming Lightning, it's annoying. If you want to fangirl go to tumblr or some shit.

t. Lightningfag

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>got error 12 in Mobius
>support says that it will be fixed tomorrow
GODDAMMIT I JUST WANT MY FUCKING MAGICITE

>>151627926
>Curaja
>Cheer
>TM
She remains solid, plus good fucking luck pulling Refia when she'll come to GL

And Lenna is cuter than Ms. Retconned

>>151628362
>Refia retconned
LITERALLY WHEN

>>151628362
Isn't Refia a base 3* unit?

>>151628171
doesn't even look like her
why draw it

>>151628362
>refia
>white mage
Isn't she a fucking monk?

>finally have 25 mith
Hahaha time to pull

>>151628495
No base four

>>151628631
Refia's whatever job you want her to be.

>>151628495
she's base 4*

>>151628691
>>151628705
Oh, well it could be worse.

>>151628685
Post your 11x rainbows anon

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>>151628685

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HOLY SHIT THEY FIXED IT FUCK

750 LAPIS FOR FREE

>>151629179
>Having friends on facebook
>Let alone 50

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>>151628917
I wish senpai

>>151629037
>drawn 5 times
>5/5 on draws with atleast 1 5*
Get fucked kupo

>>151629179
Oh boy, that's enough for a pull and a half

>>151629261
>using your real account and not a bunch of spambots
It's almost like you don't want zuckerberg to delete your account for being fake

>>151628917
Not him but I got Omnirod and Magic Comb.

>>151629415
You're right, I should say first off
>Having a real facebook at all
>Bothering to use the features of facebook on top of it

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>Error_code 12

I just wanna bash some poopoos, man.

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>>151629350
>>151629261
>>151629179
>>151629415
>>151629736
Actually shit's still broken, it's just broken at 30 instead of 20 now.
I have 500 FB spambot friends.

Also, good luck getting a job/gf in today's world without a Facebook.
They'll think you're a freak who plays mobage all day or something.

>>151628492
She didn't exist until the DS release anon.

>>151629951
>Getting a job without facebook
What kind of shit company pays attention to that shit?
>gf
I see no reason to care about this.

>>151626293
You guys think I can somehow beat Cid in the XII event? Check out my orbs if you think I can craft something that will help there. Honestly, I'm not even sure I can beat the battles before him. But I'm sure you more experienced Anons will have a better idea on how far I can go with the stuff I have.

Make sure to check skills, SBs and characters when you are there.

https://www.ffrkcentral.com/profile/YUgv

I really want that Basch MC2

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>>151629951
I got mine fine

>>151629901
>18/20 poopoo souls
Is there a list of rewards somewhere? This shit goes on a for an entire month and I'm casually done in half a day?

>>151629951
>good luck getting a job/gf in today's world without a Facebook.
What kind of shithole do you live?

>>151629951
my state recently outlawed companies asking for the facebook info of employees or potential employees, I'll be fine

>>151630262
well you could always try putting 4 characters with double cut and going full ham with retaliate

>>151626516
>1 remake that looks like this never
dawn of souls and the psp remake sucked
except for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8JmGmyWWWM

>>151630223
Every company and every human being you know has looked you up on Facebook. It's how normies operate. If you link BE to your main account, they will know that too.

>>151630474
The Glorious United States of Americuck of course

>>151630623
All they need is a name and they will look that shit up to make sure there aren't any pictures of you passed out drunk somewhere. The law can't save you from that.

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Shit, this is too soon, I don't want to whale for a fucking mobage.

>>151628695
Can she land a job of being a pure?

>>151630929
But do you think that will be enough? Will I even survive the previous bosses to get to Cid's phase?

>>151631158
when is this? I might have to spend my lapis then drop BE on this banner.

>>151631158
That banner is actually worth it because of Ludmille's Dualcast TM alone.

The slim chance that you might get pink skeleton Hank Hill is just a bonus.

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>>151631158

>>151631158
How long do you have to make up Lapis until Lightning?

>>151631158
>too soon
you don't even know when it's gonna be

>>151631446
>First 6* Unit!

Oh baby. I think that confirms she'll be coming soon.

>>151631158
>Guaranteed 4* unit
>Lightning start at 5*
It's a trap since it isn't guaranteed 4* and above unit like other mobile games.

>>151631158
>choco chocobo banner too
That was valentine's day event, not sure if we can get that actually
Also that banner is far better than the current one we have, Charlotte is great tank and has her own side-story, Lightshit is obviously strong, Lud is the weakest because LOL RED MAGES

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>>151631446

>>151631647
No, the guaranteed 4* can turn into a rainbow crystal 5*

It's a trap because it doesn't guarantee a 4* base or even a 5* base when it does turn rainbow. You will get 4* Shadow and Bedile. It isn't just a matter of luck.

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>>151631869

>>151630459
>casually done in half a day
When an entire 2 chapters are finished within 3 days, no shit the other stuff are gonna be this short.

The three FFXIII mooks have very nice TMs I must say.

Kek, that Charlotte chick is such a fucking Fate/retardfags bait, she's basically Saber with a shield

>>151631340
Is Ludmille 3*?

>>151632340
Fate ruined female knights forever. Can't even be an Agriasfag without Fate being brought up.

>>151632340
>fate invented blonde knights

>>151632658
to be fair, her hair is almost exactly like Saber's

What ATK and MAG values are considered to be fairly good in Exvius?

>>151632838
you can tell that by a tiny sprite?

>>151632993
You can't? Just look at it.

>>151632947
In global? 200 and up. In JP? 400 and up.

>>151632658
The hairdo is the exact same.

That's called bait anon-kun.

>two job pulls in Mobius
>Warrior and Ranger
I guess there's some comfort in knowing that I'm guaranteed to get not-shit jobs if I open up my wallet.

>new 5* White Magic is a Curaja/Esuna combo
That's pretty nice I guess.

>>151633164

In general is ATK worth more than DEF?

>>151633598
Yeah.

>>151632356
Yeah buddy.

And with the lightning rate so low, that means his odds on the banner go up even higher.
And Charlotte is a great tank who learns Shellga, so it's not too bad if you get her either.

>>151633598
Absolutely, killing bosses quickly is incredibly valuable.

>XIII characters coming to global
>Only one of them is a tolerable character, while two of them are the worst characters to ever have been created in a video game
Well, at least I know I'm good to store up on lapis for a good long while.

>>151633680
>>151633707

Thanks guys. I haven't got to the Felicitas Town or whatever yet so I'm kind of stuck with what I've got at the moment, and Russel is still my best character, but he's closing in on 180 ATK so I think I'm doin alright.

>>151634059
Vanille isn't the "tolerable" character in this situation, is she?

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>>151634059
I hope you're not implying Vanille isn't tolerable

Wait, so does a guaranteed 4* pull even lower your odds for getting trash units at all?

Don't all trash units have a 4* awakening? What's the point other than saving time on grinding?

>>151634226
What do you think?

>>151634261
Vanille is built for sex.

>>151634059
you're that guy who irrationally hates lightning, aren't you

>>151634261
Vanille has hips! And they don't lie!

>>151634298
The point is obviously that some units can only show up as 4* or higher, so you get a shot at those units. It also gives you a very slightly higher chance to get a 5* since that 4* can turn into a 5* too.

>>151634298
>What's the point other than saving time on grinding?
That's the only point I think but to be fair, I'm in the process of swapping a 4* max level Shantotto for a Tellah that I pulled as a 3* and fuck me do I ever wish I pulled him as a 4* or 5* because this is taking forever

>>151634298
If you roll a 3*, you can only ever get base 3* characters so the proportion of the trash characters compared to the total pool of characters you could pull from is larger.

If you roll a 4*, the total pool of characters is larger so the trash characters make up a smaller portion of it, though you're still significantly more likely to get one of them than you are a decent character.

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ded general, ded fantasy

>>151626516
Too Kingdom hearts imo

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>>151632658
give it up anon.
people will never stop making that comparison now.

>>151635093
Then I'm glad I never watched that trash

>>151634674
>>151634859
But considering the only 4*+ bases at the time will be WoL and Skeletor, doesn't that only up your odds by a fraction of a percent?

And only on those specific characters too.

>>151632630
Stop denying your saber faggotry, saberfag.

>>151635207
Lightning's a base 5. And Chizuru is a base 4.

>>151635207
If they're on a banner then the boosted odds that a 4* gives you is worth it. And you forgot Chorizo.

>>151635176
you shouldn't let stupid fans keep you from enjoying something

>>151635176
I don't see how it really makes a difference, now it's just a bunch of people shitposting about something you know nothing about.

>>151635305
>>151635416
Right I forgot about Cheerios, the original base 4*.

But basically it's silly to pull all 11 at once unless you're specifically after those units then.
And anybody specifically after Lightning is retarded, so there's no real point to this yet.

Threadly reminder that Vayne Solidor did nothing wrong.

>>151635659
>And anybody specifically after Lightning is retarded

Memes and jokes aside, she's an incredibly strong character. Like, if you get her you'll be set on physical damage for months. Even now she's still super potent in Japan.

>>151635093
I didn't compare Charlotte to Agrias anon. I don't think they're as similar as Charlotte and Saber.

Then again, Japan likes that type of shit, so characters like them sprout like weed.

>>151635176
>watched

Anon, I...

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>>151632658
Fuck off or I will have my witcher waifu shoot you ded

>>151635749
he died

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>>151635453
no shit, but fate as a whole doesn't interest me and just seeing 50 different versions of Saber mentioned in any thread that off-topics into fate makes me even less interested in it
>>151635659
>But basically it's silly to pull all 11 at once unless you're specifically after those units then.
Well the biggest point of that draw is, you know, one character for free
>And anybody specifically after Lightning is retarded
I fucking HATE Lightshit but I will still roll for her just to have an endgame physical character, even then I'm going to save a few tickets until Ramza is out
>>151635794
Ain't going to play it either

>>151635659
>hey guys look how much I hate Lightning
You're not a special snowflake for disliking a highly polarizing character, faggot and you don't need to keep reminding us how much you hate her. We get it. Now kill yourself.

>>151635773
I don't mean you'd be retarded to have her, but haven't we established that on banner you only have a ~0.5% chance of getting her?

So even with the marginally increased rates from the 11pull (how big can they really be?), only 1 in every 200 anons is gonna actually get her.
There aren't that many people here, so odds are good NONE of us will get her.

>>151635659
Again, a banner's boosted odds make a guaranteed 4* a good way to go for a unit like WoL. The odds obviously don't improve much if you don't have a banner with a 4* unit on it, but when you do it can be worth it even with the smaller pool of good 4*s.

>>151635773
It's a good banner to burn your summon tickets on since the other two units are just 3*.

>>151636127
>but haven't we established that on banner you only have a ~0.5% chance of getting her?

No, the off banner odds in Japan (where there's like 50 more units) is 0.04%, nobody knows how the odds will be on banner here. It'll probably be a bit less than a percent.

>>151636292
It was confirmed that featured 5*s are 0.5% in JP.

>>151635773
And rolling for Lightning in my case might net me someone like CoD/Bartz/Garland/Chizu/WoL/Firion who I need since my physical damage output is rather low due to no good fighters other than Kain/Zidane. I have the TMs for physical characters(Luna/Zidane) but no one good enough to use them on. And if I do get her I'll be set for a physical fighter for months.

>>151636378
No it wasn't.

>>151636429
>And rolling for Lightning in my case might net me someone like CoD/Bartz/Garland/Chizu/WoL/Firion
It's nice to be optimistic, but goddamn.

>>151631869
>Get Bent, Shantotto.
That's a hat or an accessory? Also, don't hate on Shantotto, because both things stack. You will need to get on a threesome with both to pump that TM to 100% for both.

>>151636429
Yeah, it's a good banner. Even someone like Vanille or Hope is still pretty good.

>>151636607
Most of those are 3* base units though, the chance is there

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>>151635794
c'mon the show ain't so bad.
as long as you watch the right version i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQSD8gSdDzg

>>151635898
Yeah but that's more something bad that happened to him, rather than something that he himself did wrong.

>>151636835
>Most of those are 3* base units though, the chance is there
You'll still get almost all trash though, and your odds of getting those units are lowered even more by the banner.
I rerolled for 3 days, I know just how bad it can be.

>>151637138
He could have fought better.

>>151636429
>CoD/Bartz/Garland/Chizu/WoL/Firion
All of those are going to be available with that banner or something?
God damn it, I really don't want to pull on this.

As for the whole 4* debate, yeah it's not much of an use to us now due to the fact we only have WoL and Chizuru, but here are some of the more notable 4* base characters added later, also should be noted that
A) later 4* base characters already have a 6* form in the game
B) at some point the option to do a 11-roll using tickets SHOULD be added, or at least I think it was, someone that plays JP correct me
And yes, I know
>reddit
but I don't want to dig through Altema and exviuswiki doesn't have them
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/230
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/247
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/249
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/263
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/315
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/323 (Refia is EXTREMELY FUCKING GOOD)
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/wiki/units/445

>>151637264
They're always available, your chances of getting them are just really low. They're not going to be on the banner though, if that's what you're asking.

>>151637264
Banners draw from the pool of all units, they just have a higher chance for the featured ones. You can get those guys on practically every banner.

>>151637390
>>151637423
Ah, I thought they were featured or something.
Good, I can ignore this banner, because I know my luck with this shit.

>>151637203
>Implying he ever could've won in a FF game, where the so called "heroes" have plot armor and skills
He and Venat gave all they had, but there's no winning the last fight when you're the designated "bad guy" of a FF game, no matter how illogical it is.

>>151636607
>>151636835
I will roll for Lightning on the Rudmilla/Charlotte banner due to the fact that I have mostly mages(Exdeath/Tellah/Golbez) and their TMs(Tellah/Shantotto) for the damage output. Sure Dualcast is redundant on Exdeath the voidtree but until his 6* form is unlocked, it'll be good on him and then I'll put it on Fina or Roselia alongside Holy for either.

>>151637308
>at some point the option to do a 11-roll using tickets SHOULD be added
Nah, that's not a thing.

>>151637308

jfc you're a faggot

>>151637747
and you suck dicks, yeah lets move on

>>151637308
>As for the whole 4* debate

>>151637608
Exdeath won.

>>151637561
I'd recommend pulling for Ludmille, he's got Dualcast as his Trust Mastery. And he's 3* base, so your odds of getting him are pretty good.

>>151637608
>implying Venat itself isn't plot armor

>>151637608
He still tried to beat them and failed. He did that wrong.

>>151636107
>no shit, but fate as a whole doesn't interest me and just seeing 50 different versions of Saber mentioned in any thread that off-topics into fate makes me even less interested in it

Understandable, I avoid F/a/te as much as humanly possible

>Ain't going to play it either
You're not missing out much honestly. There are some amazing moments, but overrall it's meh.

I haven't played/read other spinoff except watching Fate Zero, which was nice, especially where Saber gets absolutely REKT in a speech by Alexander the Great.


Now, enough Fate faggotry and Lightfags/Lighthate shiposting,

>>151637608
>>151637909
Hell, now that I think about it Kefka won too.

Vayne didn't go far enough and lost as a result. That's what he did wrong.

So is the only way of grinding for TM is to repeat earth shrine?

>>151638368
trust moogles
no, not yet

>>151638017
That would be nice, but I just know I'm going to do an 11x pull and see a shiny rainbow crystal right off the bat and want to scream.

>>151638368
Until we start getting trust moogles (which aren't as common as people think), yes.

>>151637909
I dunno if I'd say that.

>>151638017
>Implying a creature that failed to save the only two humes it seemed to care about is plot armor

>>151638049
We already went through this, being killed by people with plot armor is a bad thing that happened, not something wrong that he did.

>>151638490
>these Vayne arguments are still going
I think it's been long enough, can we stop talking about that loser? He didn't even win, who gives a shit about him?

>>151638490
>We already went through this, being killed by people with plot armor is a bad thing that happened, not something wrong that he did.
>it doesn't count that he failed to do something because anyone would fail

Okay sure buddy. Eating the sun is impossible but it still counts as doing something wrong if you try to do it and fail.

>>151638228
Kafka temporarily won, I'll give you that, but he didn't really win in the end.
How did he not go far enough? He did what was necessary, and nothing less.

>>151639034
>How did he not go far enough?
He left WAY too many opportunities for Ashe and co. to escape or strike back.

>He did what was necessary, and nothing less
If that were the case, he wouldn't have got his ass kicked, would he?

>>151639034
He destroyed the world that's really a temporary win tbqh

>>151638828
>Does everything right, still doesn't win
Why are FF plots so unfair?

>>151638850
>Implying he's supposed to know he's in a FF game as the designated "villain" and thus doomed from the start

>>151639407
>>Implying he's supposed to know he's in a FF game as the designated "villain" and thus doomed from the start

Then that's even worse, he tried to do something he earnestly thought he could do and failed.

>>151639034
Kefka accomplished all of his goals though.

Eventually everything crumbles, but he still destroyed the entire fucking planet like he wanted to. Just because some asshats eventually got revenge and killed him doesn't undo all the damage he caused.

Did Jack Ruby undo all of Lee Harvey Oswald's plans?

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>>151639287
All of those opportunities were so that she could lead him to the shards/get the shards for him. None of those opportunities were unplanned or illogical.

>>151639525
>Implying there was any reason for him to believe he could illogically fail
You're missing the argument.

>>151639620
If "winning" is just defined as accomplishing your goals then there are a few more FF "villains" that won, and the True Hero is included among them, as is Venat. He missed the side-goal of staying alive until Larsa was fully able to rule, but he still accomplished his main goal.

>>151640063
>You're missing the argument.

No I'm not, he tried to fight the heroes and failed. This is a fact.

>>151640152
He tried to fight people that were essentially the villains of the game, he had no way of knowing that they were the designated heroes and thus destined to win regardless of logic. Is he supposed to know he exists in a videogame?

>>151640507
If you try to do something and don't manage it, even if it's impossible, then you still failed at doing it. Even if you don't know it's impossible.

>>151640507
>Is he supposed to know he exists in a videogame?
See you throw out all these arguments and shit about how he's great using the actual plot, and then fall back to this bullshit. You know this isn't an argument, right?

>>151640723
>If you fail because of something you can't control, expect, and that is completely and utterly illogical this is your fault
So if you get struck by lightning sitting in a low valley on a clear day it's your fault. Aight lad, if it helps you sleep better at night to think like that, go for it.

>>151640063
But Kefka accomplished his goals and defeated the main heroes at the same time.

Plus he got to soak in his victory for at least a year. He knew it wouldn't last forever, he said so himself.
He understood that someday his creation would tumble, but even in death he had one last "fuck you" to everybody by destroying all magic forever.
Kefka wanted to die, so even the party's revenge was a victory for him.

>>151641031
Great "arguments" like this and Ashe being a homicidal maniac and literally worse than Hitler really make my day.

>>151641036
Kefka did not "destroy magic" he simply died.

>>151641031
No, that's a different case. Vayne went out of his way to fight the heroes. He could have not fought them if he wanted to. He took action on his own accord, it didn't just happen to him. He obviously thought he could do it but he didn't. This is why he failed at fighting the heroes.

Conflating the heroes fighting him to a bolt of lightning striking someone is just a stupid comparison. Sorry.

>>151640952
Because most of XII is fairly logical plot wise, and where it isn't logical then it's at least consistent, thus is a decent basis for an argument. How is he supposed to know that the party has plot armor?

>>151641036
I guess if you want to consider that a victory then okay.

>>151641380
>How is he supposed to know that the party has plot armor?
He isn't, because they don't.

>>151641259
But Ashe did spend 85% of the game as a homicidal maniac, and the argument was that she did less good that Hitler not that she was worse overall.

>>151641325
And neither of you have managed to explain how the hell it was logical in universe to have expected himself to lose the last fight.

I wish I could stop pulling characters with good TMs and actually pull good characters.
Kain and Luna pls go

>>151641317
He intentionally drew in the magic from whateverthefuck to become the God of Magic just before he died.

And then with his death came the death of all magic, so people couldn't even use that to rebuild his disaster.
Even Terra became fully human after that.

He was always ranting at the end about how the works of man were impermanent, including his own.
He just wanted to fuck up the most shit he could because it would be the only thing to have any lasting impact on the world. And he succeeded, even in death.

Vayne dindu shit except be a puppet for Venat.

>>151641758
You are attrubiting way too much to kefka. You are overreaching. Sure he succeeds but he never had this master plan of destroying magic.

>>151641380
>and where it isn't logical then it's at least consistent
You mean where Vayne and his buttbuddy Cid constantly let Ashe escape even though that could (and did) bite them in the ass later? Like that time that they literally baited them to meet the Occuria for so they could possibly get more nethicite that could fuck him up if she hadn't decided not to get it?

This guy's plans were convoluted and unnecessary as fuck, and he would have succeeded if he wasn't so arrogant and kept things simple.

>>151641698
>And neither of you have managed to explain how the hell it was logical in universe to have expected himself to lose the last fight.

I don't even get what you're trying to say here. He tried to do something. He did not do this thing and in fact died. It doesn't matter if this thing was impossible, nor does it matter if he knew it or not. He tried to do something and failed.

>>151641705
Luna is only a decent TM for right now, and it's only really useful if you managed to get Firion or WoL.

By the time you get Barrage from her, you won't need it because all the other physical units will have better options.

>>151642339
Lasswell can get good use out of it if nothing else.

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>>151642339
Well I'm sat on this team right now.

>>151641758
Venat just gave them resources, the True Hero still did everything involved with utilizing them.

>>151642062
Except they needed to get the shards to destroy them, and while it was a risk to allow her to get them it was necessary as attempting to find them another way would've taken a much longer time if it was even possible.
>Implying he did anything unnecessary
>Implying he's arrogant
No.

>>151642067
He had no logical reason to fail. You're trying g to argue that he should've known the unknowable, and that's ridiculous.

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>>151642067
>>151641698
>the party kills judge Bergan, who has the protection of venat and nethicite embedded in his bones
OH BUT THEY WON'T KILL ME!
I HAVE THE PROTECTION OF VENAT AND NETHICITE EMBEDDED IN MY BONES!

Also, Bergan was a trained fighter whereas Vayne was a sheltered fop. How he expected to win anything is a massive oversight.

>>151642761
>He had no logical reason to fail. You're trying g to argue that he should've known the unknowable, and that's ridiculous.

I'm not, you're misinterpreting me. Even if he thought he would win, he still lost and thus failed. One could even argue that especially because he didn't think he would lose, his failure is that more severe.

Basically, doing something you think is a shoe in and failing to do that thing is still a failure. Even if that thing turns out to be technically impossible. I don't know how much simpler I can put it.

>>151643010
>Implying he's sheltered and untrained in fighting
Lad did you even play they game? Did you pay attention while playing it?
Began didn't have the protection of Venat directly like Cid and the True Hero did, and hell even Cid didn't have access to Venat's power like the True Hero did.

>>151642761
>Except they needed to get the shards to destroy them
No you idiot, that's not what I'm talking about. All going to see the Occuria did was give them an opportunity to make more shards if Ashe was really as much of a homicidal maniac as you say she is. Cid had thrown all theirs in the Sun-Cryst, so there was literally nothing stopping Ashe from being the only one with nethicite (which is exactly what he doesn't want to happen in his "history back in the hands on man" plan). Instead, it was destroyed, but that was potentially a catastrophic mistake.

If he wasn't so arrogant, he would have not given them the opportunity to live after he had all three of the shards in their possession rather than just having Cid handle things. It's not like Ashe was the only person that could use the Sword of Kings anyway, Reddas did that just fine.

>>151643185
Sure technically be definition he failed, but he didn't fail because of something that he did wrong. I'm not arguing that he was successful in everything that he attempted, just that his lack of success in the few places that it occurs isn't due to his own fault.

>>151643491
Why was Venat with Bergan if he didn't have his protection? You're making stuff up for the sake of argument. What makes Cid and Vayne's Venat any different?

Bergan had a reputation as the most ruthless Darth Vader of the entire Darth Vader army. He slaughtered an entire village by hand.
Vayne was a guy who maybe lifted in his spare time, but he never came close to doing something like that.

The party curbstomps Bergan before they even have any kind of power.
Vayne was a fool to think they wouldn't curbstomp him when they did.

>>151643803
But he did do something wrong; he chose to engage the heroes. whether or not he earnestly thought he could, it's still something he did that resulted in his death.

Vaynefag stop being intentionally obtuse. This argument sucks and you know it.

>>151642761
>Except they needed to get the shards to destroy them
The only one that they needed help with was the Dawn Shard, and the party got that pretty damn early on in the game. Vayne could have ended any chance of him losing if he took them out after that point, or maybe after they got the Sword of Kings if they actually needed the Sun-Cryst destroyed.

>>151643664
>Implying them seeing the occuria at all was his work
Did I miss something somewhere?

>>151644016
Situational external protection isnt the same thing as literally fusing itself with the True Hero to give him access to all of her power.
Bergan was also not her main focus, there's an argument to be made that Venat simply didn't protect bergan because she didn't care to I suppose.

>>151644038
Then you and I have a very different definition of "wrong", the former of which seems to ignore moral and logical considerations.

>>151644708
>Implying them seeing the occuria at all was his work
Why the fuck would Cid have told them to go to Giruvegan if it wasn't part of his plan? Those two were working closely on the same goal with Venat, Cid's plans ARE Vayne's plans.

>ignoring almost whole post and focusing on one small thing
People just can't lose an argument gracefully these days.

>>151644708
>there's an argument to be made that Venat simply didn't protect bergan because she didn't care to I suppose
If that were the case Venat wouldn't have even shown up, you fucking idiot.

>>151644708
>Then you and I have a very different definition of "wrong", the former of which seems to ignore moral and logical considerations.

How so? He tried something. He did not succeed at this thing. I've said it a million times: it doesn't matter if he thought he would easily succeed at this thing, attempting something you're totally convinced you can do and doing a terrible job still counts as a failure.

Let me put it this way: let's say you're totally convinced you can go three days without eating. You try it, and end up starving to death. That's still your fault regardless if you earnestly thought you could succeed or not. Vayne works the same way.

>>151644708
Even if Venat didn't fuse with Bergan to become some kind of beefy guy in a robot-Bahamut suit, Vayne should have at least known to give them some credit for destroying the second most powerful thing at his disposal.

He was wrong to underestimate them, and he could've done better to avoid that.
They slaughtered half of his army and most of his Darth Vaders and sank a fucking sky-battleship.
It was a pretty big gamble on his part, and an unnecessary one too.

>>151644708
>Implying them seeing the occuria at all was his work
Having them go to Giruvegan (and thus, meet the Occuria) was part of Cid's and Vayne's incredibly convoluted plan to get them to go to the Pharos and the Sun-Cryst. Or did you forget?

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>>151644115
Tbqhmf this argument has been had forty times and never gets better, and it's shit on both sides but i, in my autism, have to react to a shit argument made with a shit premise because I have nothing better to do on a Saturday and must defend the worth of the True Hero.

>>151644150
Okay, so when did he have the opportunity to do so before the last fight?

>all these posts expecting the True Hero to know the unforeseeable
>All these posts who didn't play/pay attention to the game
I've already passed the 1% post mark or I'd respond autistically to all of you.

>>151645339
Ghis and his retardation destroyed a battleship and fleet, in direct opposition to orders from the True Hero. How is that supposed to be his fault?

>>151646091
lack of control over your minions

>>151645553
>Okay, so when did he have the opportunity to do so before the last fight?
At literally any point. If the fucker could send an entire fleet after them once, he could send more than send fucking Bergan after them and then just kinda let them do their own thing because "fuck it". He knew what they were doing pretty much the whole time since he kept their actions within his plans, so finding or stopping them wouldn't have been especially complicated if he really wanted to.

Instead, he didn't. Which is something he did wrong, to be quite honest with you mi famiglia.

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How does it feel to know Vayne will never be playable? He got skipped in Dissidia in favor of Gabranth.

>>151646091
>How is that supposed to be his fault?
He could have, I don't know, not had such an incompetent/greedy/whatever he was to so something that stupid guy in an incredibly high position. The guy was a judge magister, for fuck sake.

>>151646246
How could he have foreseen Ghis' disloyalty? Although I suppose we don't really see enough of Ghis' actions/personality to determine how loyal he appears before his actions in game.
And either way, it was a necessary risk. I suppose he could've gone to get it himself, but that would've been really suspicious back in Arcadia and taken him away from doing other things.

In Mobius, I'm really short on water seeds, so I want to pick up a 6x water seed card.
Should I grab Chariot (covert current orbs to water) or Pixie (only draw water orbs; add fire res)?

Also, anyone pull thief or black mage? How are they?

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>>151646579
DELETE THIS

>>151646091
It's not "unforseeable" that a ragtag group of repeat shitkickers would kick your shit.
They kicked his shit countless times before, and his entire plan was based around them not kicking his shit. That isn't a very smart gameplan.

He only really needed Ashe alone. He could've tried to break up the party using her attachment to Rassler like the Occuria did.
Or does Venat somehow lack the powers of making ghosts like the other Occuria have?

Or he could've even just talked to them. Explained the situation to them and tried to get them over to his side with diplomacy like a smart person. He did nothing wrong, so why would the party object? Especially if he combined this with the misdirection of ghost-Rassler, he could have done it easily.

But no, instead he decides "I'M GONNA WRASSLE THEM" and thinks it will really work.

>>151631158
There were datamined banners showing half-off summons for Lightning and co.

Best bet is to skip the first two banners

>>151646579
Really bad, not gonna lie.
>tfw he's not in rk or be and will probably never get in to dissidia

>>151646383
>This entire post
Please replay the game anon, XII is fun and worth replaying even if you do play as the bad guys.

>>151646763
>How could he have foreseen Ghis' disloyalty?
The guy was experienced enough to climb to the highest rank in the Archadian military, dude. He must have known if there was anything wrong with him. He's pretty old too, so there's pretty much no way that no inkling of insubordination would have been spotted.

He was likely just kept around because he was talented and supported Vayne, kinda like Bergan.

>>151647180
Replying to a post with "play the game" is not an adequate counterargument

>>151647180
I see you've just given up completely on arguing.

>>151647287
Nah, see, he'll just say that there's nothing to provide a counterargument for, because he knows he's wrong. Like Vayne.

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>>151636429
>>151636292
>>151636118
>>151636127
>>151636107
>>151635305
There is still a chance my fellow anons?

>>151647668
Less than a percent, if that's something you want to gamble on.

>>151647287
How else am I supposed to respond to someone who seems to be making an argument that could be corrected just be playing the game?

>>151647471
Another reminder that Vayne Solidor did nothing wrong, and that no argument based on incorrect information changes this.

>>151647873
Care to point out exactly which information is incorrect since we clearly played two different games?

>>151647747
so.. that's what they mean by massive boost to drop rates

>>151647873
If his argument is truly so incorrect, then it should be easy for someone like you (who's played the game) to refute it. Just telling him to play it is a weakass response.

>>151645553
>Okay, so when did he have the opportunity to do so before the last fight?
I dunno, that time that they infiltrated Draklor and were in the fucking HEART of the Imperial capital and were DISCOVERED BY CID would have been a pretty good opportunity. You don't often get things just handed to you like that.

>>151648007
Well it is like a 10x-ish boost compared to off-banner, so it's pretty big if you look at it that way. I guess.

>>151647629
Please don't ever post that translation again.

>>151648007
Ordinarily she's 0.04%, so really it's pretty big.

In global I think it's closer to .1% off banner just because we don't have as many characters. Too bad the American government has no anti-gambling laws for mobage, so we'll never know for sure.

>>151648434
I-I'm sure Gumi will post them out of the goodness of their hearts, won't they?

>>151647747
Am I that lucky? Wish RK gave the same treatment.

>>151648676
Well if that screenshot is of you getting Lightning just now in BE, it's incredibly lucky. Her odds are 0.044% right now, I'm pretty sure.

What damage colosseum A-3 boss hit with sandstorm? Fag hit like a truck.

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There any real credence for that delay rumor or is it confirmed bullshit?
Also is there a chance that the delay date, if any, is a contingency that Square is currently discussing, to be decided by August 15? I feel this at most would be likely considering they'd just released another world trailer with the September 30 release date on the day this rumor started.

It takes a few days to ship some billboards with an 11/29 (inb4 30th month) date, and no time at all to put 9/30 in a youtube description.

Somewhere, somehow, there's some kind of failure to communicate.

>>151648903
unsubstantiated rumor with no evidence aside from one website supposedly talking to a "manager of gamestop"

>>151648903
There are 3 Midgar Zoloms in this image?

>>151649075
It's a very deep swamp.

>>151647961
We'll start with
>Implying he could've just gotten up and stopped them at any point in the plot just because he knew where they were
But there's a lot. The implication that she didn't need to be baited to the Occuria was another good one.

>>151648156
Ashe was still needed alive at that point dude. Was there a time after she wasn't needed alive?

>>151649070
Yeah, that's all I'm getting out of him. He's saying that "hopefully" he'll get proof today. If it's safe for his source.

I looked at that author's earlier predictions and they were essentially right from what I've seen.

Honestly I feel XV could use a delay, but I don't see much point considering everybody updates their games after release anyway, and Persona 5 is much easier to compete with than fucking Pokemon.

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So, are these en- skills good? I got a copy of all of them to 3 stars.

>>151648902
Type of damage I mean, and A-3 colosseum primevil boss INT .

>>151649384
>Ashe was still needed alive at that point dude
Why? All of the shards were around for him to take and the Sword of Kings was as well if it was needed. The only thing that hadn't happened yet was Ashe receiving the Treaty Blade, which turned out to be pointless anyway.

>>151649483
probably good for hunter cause they have low magic

>>151648864
No, that is just me awakening her to 6 star. Those crystals don't exist yet.

>No WoL/Cecil

Who do I use as my tank character then?

>>151650540
Kain

>>151650540
Kain duh

>>151649610
It turned out to be relatively pointless but it would've been retarded not to go for it, especially considering what happened the last time the sword of kings was used to hit nethecite. They didn't want another Nabudis when they went to destroy the cryst.

>>151650151
You don't need one yet.

The FFIX banner has Salamander if you hate yourself, and the Lightning banner has Charlotte, who is the best 5* tank in the game and one of the best 5* units period.

But Cecil is something you will eventually need to face all the trials and PvP. Not just a tank, a Cecil.

>>151649483
they're pretty good at 4*. Don't they give a ton of resistance?

Is there an optimal way to progress in that skill tree on mobius or putting w/e you feel like works? Is there any stuff that I could read on mobius to learn things and how to progress in an optimal way?

>>151650749
Uh, what are you talking about? The Sword of Kings had never been used to destroy nethicite before that point. And there was no real reason to be concerned with an explosion of mist from the Sun-Cryst. It's already in a Jagd unlike Nabudis, and it's an incredibly remote region, unlike Nabudis.

>>151651695
You need to get everything to unlock the class upgrade, so yeah, pick whatever. Some stuff is nice to get early, like extra element orbs, damage, break power, etc.

>>151651695
I just did it however I like it, but usually
HP > Magic > break power > extra elemental orb > others
HP got highest priority to increase my survivability rate in case rng decide to fuck me over and decide not give me any life orbs

someone post echo's bikini outfit

>>151651225
Good to know. I guess Ill farm this shit then.

>>151649384
>The implication that she didn't need to be baited to the Occuria was another good one
Let's go over what happens with Ashe and the Occuria.

>she gets the Treaty Blade, something that is never used by anyone at any point
>she learns that she can get more power for herself at the Sun-Cryst, something she never does
>she is directed to go to the Pharos, where things actually start happening <-- THIS IS THE ONLY RELEVANT PART THAT IS IN CID AND VAYNE'S MASTER PLAN

So what was the point of this Giruvegan interlude, exactly? Nothing changed from Vayne and Cid's perspective, and Ashe could have just gone to the Pharos with nothing really changing. Pretty much the only person to get anything out of Giruvegan was the player, with all the exposition that happened there.

>>151651695
There isn't really a "guide central" for Mobius yet, but there are some guides and FAQs on forums and reddit.

>>151652040
Actually no that was my fault, I was referring to the wrong thing in the wrong order. It's late and I'm not completely sober anymore, cut me some slack.
The treaty blade was supposed to be an improved version of the sword of kings, given to Ashe by the occuria to cut more shards from the cryst to give her more power.

>>151652696
To use it, to cut new shards from the cryst, she had to physically go to the cryst, leading her to the Pharos.
The entire thing was to get Ashe more willing and determined to go to the cryst, regardless of her reasons.
Giruvegan was largely plot exposition for the player's purpose, but that wasn't all it was.

>>151653703
>The entire thing was to get Ashe more willing and determined to go to the cryst, regardless of her reasons
Except she went to Giruvegan to pursue Cid and for no other reason. There's no reason to assume that she wouldn't have gone to the Pharos if Cid hadn't told her to go there instead.

>all these max level Chorizos in my friend list with almost 300 ATK, some iwth more than that
Man, mine's been 5* for over two weeks and I still haven't maxed her level despite playing every day. Seems like you guys all have a pretty easy time maxing your party's levels, I've only gotten one there so far.

https://www.ffrkcentral.com/simulators/relicdraw

>>151653869
I wouldn't say there's no reason, as it's more logical to assume that something valuable and worth pursuing would be in giruvegan rather than the Pharos, but the main purpose was still to get them the treaty blade and reinforce As he's determination, which was visibly failing at this point.

>>151655980
>but the main purpose was still to get them the treaty blade and reinforce As he's determination, which was visibly failing at this point
Seems pretty pointless to me considering the fact that she wasn't necessary for Vayne's success anymore.

>>151655936
>decide to "pull" on the Summer Lucky Draw again, maybe my 0/99 streak can end in my imagination at least
>0/11
Well, shit.

>>151655927
>mine's been 5* for over two weeks
where the hell are you during cactuar dunes?

>>151656215
She still had the sword of kings and the treaty blade with her, she needed to physically get to the cryst so the former could be used/taken. Technically she wasn't needed alive at that point, but it was a hell of a lot easier to leave her alive and let her do that work for them.

>>151655927
maxing characters is piss easy in BE. Plus we recently had a cactuar dunes, how are not all your main party maxed?

I have maxed 10 characters from 3 star through 5 star and many that are at their max 4 star cause they don't have a 5 yet. You are clearly doing it wrong

>>151656538
I burned more of that that on Lenna, Vaan, and Exdeath. Chizuru hasn't really been a priority, but I've been grinding the EXP vortex quite a lot with her.

>>151656707
>but it was a hell of a lot easier to leave her alive and let her do that work for them
I don't see how. Killing her and taking those things when she walked right into Archades would have been much easier than letting her go and just hoping she does what you want her to do. It's not a logical thing to do at all and was absolutely a mistake.

>>151656765
if you're doing exp vortex, I sure hope you don't bring any party members with max level with you
bring chorizo only and get one of those 300 atk chorizo friends of yours as friend unit

>>151657230
>I sure hope you don't bring any party members with max level with you
Nah, but I do bring the other 3 non-maxed characters with her so she doesn't get a ton of exp.

>>151657215
But she didn't have the treaty blade yet when she was in Archades, and that's ignoring the both the fact that they didn't know they were in the city for sure until they were already well into Draklor and that capturing them in the heart of the capital would've been a logistical and pr nightmare.

>>151657434
alternatively, if you have tons of friend points, just do some FP summon and save some cactuar for monday's fusion boost

>>151658138
What does the Treaty Blade have to do with anything, though? Vayne and Cid don't want it.

>and that capturing them in the heart of the capital would've been a logistical and pr nightmare
It's not a pr nightmare to capture and execute a bunch of assassins who were trying to kill the lead researcher of the Draklor Laboratory.

>>151658159
Yeah, I burned all those a little while ago. Had amazingly bad luck getting cactuars, at least non-1* ones.

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Almost grinded out 10k trust points to by the Flame Sword from the Moogle King.

But should I put it on my Rain (uses Buster Sword currently, used mainly for Full Break) or on my Abel (uses the Wind Sword, mainly used for the tripple debuff rape attack)?

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Thanks, Orbfest!

Is Mobius down right now? I'm getting a connection error.

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>>151648903
https://twitter.com/TonyGarsow/status/764581651972169728

>>151659578
Got a connection error too a few minutes ago. Just restarted the app and it works fine now.

wow, I just noticed the Farplane. Cool to get a Murasame and Force Armor though, Chizuru shits out even more damage now, not that you really need it for anything I've done yet. But seeing as how I just found the farplane you can tell I'm lazy with this game

>>151659218
which one of them deals bigger damage?
Also is JP fun?

>>151659578
Error 12?
The game is online, but apparently lots of players are getting this error randomly. The best you can do is to try to login again in an hour or so (worked for me, at least), since the official fix will only be released tomorrow.

>>151659801
Fucking kek

>>151658483
The treaty blade is supposed to be, to their knowledge, and improved version of the sword of kings iirc. There's reason to want the best tool available when doing something as important as they were.
It wouldn't have been a pr nightmare after they were able to do some damage control, but while it was happening it would've been a logistical nightmare either way to capture a group of people who put up a lot of resistance in an area with a lot of things/people around that you really don't want to kill.

How do I auto in Mobius without WoL using all my orbs and shit? Also, what does those auto modes mean exactly?

>>151659916
Yeah Error 12. Been trying to connect. Was running fine earlier. I've been closing and reopening the app in hopes that it fixes it. It doesn't even get past the Square Enix logo.

>>151659958
>There's reason to want the best tool available when doing something as important as they were
But their whole goal is to make the Sun-Cryst and nethicite in general irrelevant, so that the Occuria have nothing to control history with. They know the Sword of Kings destroys nethicite and was also used to create it from the Sun-Cryst, the "they were just trying to sure" argument is pretty silly considering they never mentioned wanting the Treaty Blade to begin with.

It's also silly to use that "they just wanted to make sure" argument at the same time as making that logistical nightmare argument. If they wanted to "make sure" Ashe couldn't get away from the heart of their damn capital city, they could have. The lab was damn near abandoned at the time, remember?

>>151659801
Why a tuesday though? That's just incredibly confusing.

>>151659578
Down for me. Error code 12

>>151659801
Still doubtful. Seems easy to make in a day, and even the guy who wrote the gamnesia article isn't entirely convinced by it.

>>151660210
Defense mode heals at around 50% hp and uses drives more often. Attack mode doesn't heal until your hp is low and you're in danger of dying, I think around 20% or so.

>>151660918
>>151661192
Looking at it again I also noticed that the sticker looks kinda weird. The 1's all look different despite being the same font and the 29 and 16 aren't as smooth as the numbers on the old release date. Same with the 11.29.16 in the note at the top.

>>151660918

Why a tuesday? Tuesday is the normal day for game releases.

>Rikku got her 5* Dancer in global
>Celes didn't get her 5* Knight despite getting that buff before Rikku in JP
Damn shame.

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Which has the better soundtrack; Exvius or Mobius?

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Im liking my white mage, looks cool though a earth mage card would be really nice

>>151663235
fun fact: the website for global lists Celes as able to use Knight5, can't wait until she actually gets that buff, going to replace Bartz with her finally
>>151663346
Exvius by a mile

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>>151663352

Looking at his panels is the combat surgeon a job you can draw from the gacha or is just a upgraded white mage with more panels?

>>151663474
Honestly a big part of me using Celes now is her Spellblade RM, so I probably won't be getting much use out of Saint Cross unless there's a Holy-weak enemy or I pull her BSB.

>>151663346
Easily Exvius

>>151659907
> which one of them deals bigger damage?

Hard to say, probably Abel because he attacks 3x.

> Also is JP fun?
I'm having a blast. It's so much better than the GP version.

>>151663658
I decided to switch for Celes because Burstfest gave me her SSB, which already puts her above Bartz that only got his Air Knive, but I want the Knight5 buff to come out so I don't actually lose out on damaging abilities, since Bartz has Combat5 he can use...what was it called, Full Strike? The 4-hit meteor-like attack, so I want to give SC to Celes so she can actually deal damage, which would also open up one slot on Agrias which is always SC and swap that for double cut so I can actually have all 4 characters hitting my retaliate user

>>151664186
then put in on Abel

>>151664194
>using 5* skills while still using Retaliate strats
That... pretty weird.

>>151664434
there are certain situations where I still prefer to have a 5* skill on someone

>>151660906
>Draklor was abandoned at that time
What? Did I miss something? Iirc there was nothing about it being particularly barren, it was full of people/guards as it should be. You wouldn't want to risk a full scale conflict in the center of the most valuable building in the city, you don't want to destroy things you don't have to. Why bother when there were other options that don't involve the risk of destroying the force behind Arcadia's strength?

>Never mention wanting the treaty blade
Do they really need to spell it out explicitly in a direct rant?

Is the Orlandu event the next one that's coming to JP RK?

Reminder dissidia cid missions need specfic characters

Chaos U: Tidus
Chaos U+: Cecil and WoL

Cosmos U: Exdeath
Cosmos U+: Sephiroth and Kefka

>>151665381
If they were concerned about destroying things in Draklor, Cid wouldn't have fought them. There was ample opportunity to capture them with a more substantial effort.
And the halls were completely clear of researchers and other innocents, you don't run into anyone that isn't a guard other than Cid and Reddas during your whole trip up there.

>Do they really need to spell it out explicitly in a direct rant?
Well no, but nothing they did suggests that they needed it in the slightest. The Sword of Kings would have sufficed if they actually wanted to do things themselves, and them needing or even wanting the Treaty Blade is just a big assumption on your part with no real evidence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXV/comments/4xkt1c/im_a_gamestop_employee/?compact=true

>>151663346
Both suck. RedditKeeper has the nostalgia factor plus some good remixes.

>>151663352
Same, I'm actually considering buying magicite to buy a mage class that isn't earth focused. If it's any consolation, white mage is apparently top tier for multiplayer.

>>151663653
Upgraded white mage.

>>151665381
>Iirc there was nothing about it being particularly barren, it was full of people/guards as it should be
Reddas went on a damn rampage, remember? Some of the halls were filled with wounded guards and all the researchers had evacuated.

>>151666164
One person fighting to hold then off temporarily is different then sending in an entire force to get them.
The halls were clear, but that doesn't mean the entire building was. There were alarms and stuff, it's reasonable to conclude that they were there, just hiding like any normal person does when alarms go off.
>Indirectly implying the guards aren't innocents

I've already said that they didn't particularly need the treaty blade, but it gave them more security that they could complete their task and for that the relatively little price they paid for it was worth it, considering g they did essentially no work to get it.

>>151663352
>White Mage has a pointed cap instead of a hood.

dropped

What elements can black mage and mage draw?

>>151666938
>One person fighting to hold then off temporarily
One person and his mechanical weapons.

>Indirectly implying the guards aren't innocents
Whatever, I meant noncombatants, cilvilians. You know that. And the entire upper area of the building where they were was completely clear at least, even if you assume the whole thing wasn't.

>but it gave them more security that they could complete their task and for that the relatively little price they paid for it was worth it
See, you're still assuming that they wanted it in the first place. There's nothing to suggest that they did.

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>>151666953
Not the first time.

If you count turbans as hats, FF2 even did it.

>>151666428
>no summary
>asking us to go there
PUH-lease.

I've been on a reroll spree since FFM began (mostly due to misinformation) and finally settled to Knight job until today when i saw Dark Knight. Should I even bother rerolling anymore after getting Dark Knight? I mean, I have it down to where I can reroll every 40 min. but I don't want to waste my time if an even better job isn't released yet. Should I wait for that Hero of Light job to be released?

>>151667535
Fine you fucking baby.
>There is no word of a delay, but there is no confirmation of a lack of delay, either.
>We just recently got a bunch of marketing for the game, including standees, cover art, and the Playstation live displays just updated to include trailer and pictures of it. On top of that, the annoying as fuck TV is spouting the ad for it coming in September is playing every 10 minutes. There is absolutely nothing indicating a delay on our end. No news/execution changes. No date changes in our marketing kits.
>Not to pop a bubble, but Gamestop employees would not know about this already. There was a rumor going around the district managers months ago that there might be a delay to November. That was before the official reveal of the release date.
>I'm guessing that same rumor is resurfacing, OR, the Ultimate Collectors Edition is getting a November re-release, since Square confirmed they would be redoing and releasing more of them. Or, maybe it's a PC version coming in November, even though I highly doubt that..
>Remember, we also listed PC as a pre-order platform for the game when it went up.
Somebody who works at EB Games also confirmed what the OP said and posted pictures of himself to prove it.

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well that's never happened before

thank you auto limit?

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If I say No what Happens?

>>151667810

tl;dr

>>151668163
Click it and find out. I doubt it matters.

>>151667376
It's still just one person and his weapons that isn't fighting for everything, just to hold them off until his ride shows up. The most he could do if he missed is fuck up a few rooms, if they had brought in a significant force they could've fucked up a lot more.
>Implying they wanted it argument
Why else would they bait her to giruvegan? Strengthening her resolve may have been worth it on its own, especially since there was basically no work involved to do it, but suggesting they didn't know about the blade and weren't going after it as at least a secondary prize is a bit off.

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>start a battle in RK
>alt+tab while it's loading to check something quick
>forget about it
>come back, dead
>wasted stamina

Intangir soon in BE. Special vortex boss. He drops a powerful bow.

>>151668163

Mog: Are we Friends?

>>151668163

you're not

>>151668205
"It's not delayed and all our marketing stuff still says Sep 30th."
t. Gamestop employee.
"This guy's right, everything's fine."
t. EB Games employee

>>151668046
how do you even level that up? Just grinding and random XP or is there a specific place that helps it? everyone but Rain and Laswell have it level 1 and with very little XP

>>151668513
Can you shorten it up for me a bit doc?

I ain't reading all that shit.

>>151668327
This is the primary reason I switched to Exvius, I hate fucking babysitting rk

>>151668547
You use them. Every LB use gives you 1 exp. Yes, this means you'll need to use like 1000 LBs to get maxed limits.

>>151668262
I'm getting kind of tired of going in circles on this, but I've made my point clear. There were perfectly good opportunities to stop Ashe if they wanted to even if there MAY have been some consequences (which you're really overstating), and as a direct result of not taking those opportunities Vayne got himself killed. He would have survived and completed 100% of his objectives if he didn't do what you say and take a 180 on his ruthless character that "does what's necessary" and let them live to prevent a bit of collateral damage which likely wouldn't have included any civilian lives.

So yeah, he's not perfect and he did something wrong. Fuck off.

https://mobff.net/

Heres a Mobius info

>>151668547
What >>151668707 said.
Except it isn't 1000 LBs, it's tens of thousands of LBs.

A 6* Cecil needs 71,400 LBs to max out. A 5* one needs 36,100, and then an additional amount when he awakens again.

There are special units you're supposed to fuse later on to make the process possible. It's not possible right now except with 1*-2* shitters.

>>151668707
>Yes, this means you'll need to use like 1000 LBs to get maxed limits
You need 71400 uses to max out a limit on a 6* character, assuming you didn't level it beforehand and not taking pots into account.

Even if you do it perfectly and max out their limit before awakening them each time, you'll still need 39500 uses.

>>151669275
Wow, thanks for that.

>error_code:12

JUST

>>151668860
The lives of many Draklor workers is not a bit of damage, it's significant. Losing a large portion of the brightest minds in the country is a significant blow to the country as a whole, that's nothing something you risk when there's other ways to accomplish the same thing.

He may not be perfect, but he did do nothing wrong.
And the more I think about it he's pretty damn close to perfect, although there are a lot of opinions there so I could see if you don't match that view completely.

>>151669349
>>151669523
Said LB units are rather rare and only give 100 LB points per fusion.

It's still an insane grind.

>>151670025
you literally just like his hair

>>151670025
>The lives of many Draklor workers is not a bit of damage, it's significant
Maybe if there were there. But they weren't. Reddas made sure of that, as was stated previously.
Are you really going to keep bringing up the same things over and over?

>>151670162
It's also not even a worthwhile grind, the difference between a maxed LB and one with 0 exp is quite marginal. Trusts are far more major.

>>151670284
>the difference between a maxed LB and one with 0 exp is quite marginal
Not really, Cecil's gets a pretty nice boost. It certainly looks marginal when you look at the insane amount of effort involved, though, and I would never suggest that someone should grind specifically for limits.

>>151668707
oh, I haven't been using limit breaks for most characters cause once you get good skills they are crap. Guess that's cause I haven't been using any of them. I don't care about maxing them, but getting them above level 1 would be nice.

>>151670284
Cecil's is supposed to be the exception but I think it will be a while before that is relevant

JP has lb pots right? how rare are they and how much exp do they give

>>151670537
With auto limit now in GL it makes it fit in well with TM farming though. You can reasonably level up the limit a few times just trying to get TMs.

>error code 12
It was a good run Mobius. Thanks anyways I guess.

For record keeper.. is it optimal to run 3 people for exp farming during this orbfest? I would think so since you have the 3 exp bonus materias.

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>>151670202
No, but his hair is definitely one of the wonderful things about him.

>>151670230
Did they know this going into it? With enough time to act regarding that? How could they be certain, with such little time to react, that all important personnel were out of the danger zone? And how is a huge building full of guards not also a significant loss? Maybe it's not as bad as if there was a full building of employees, but it's still something to avoid if possible, and it was.

>>151671237
Oh, like Vayne isn't the type to make sacrifices for the greater good.

>>151671149
Only if you specifically need to level 3 people. Otherwise just throw in others you think you'll need in the future.

>>151670639
Cecil's LB goes from lvl 1 (50%) to lvl 20 (74%) - that's pretty good, but the grind for that is still unreal.

>>151671237
>And how is a huge building full of guards not also a significant loss
You're acting like these guys were terrorists ready to destroy the whole building with their nethicite bombs. There's no way that they could have done that much damage, all they had to do was activate a cutscene where they surrounded the room with crossbow wielding guards like in the Waterway! But seriously, the building is designed in such a way that surrounding them wouldn't be overly complicated.

>Maybe it's not as bad as if there was a full building of employees, but it's still something to avoid if possible, and it was
Sure, they just lost the war with the resistance, their superweapon, and Vayne's life because of it. And Rozarria just watched and laughed. But hey, he dindu nuffin wrong, right?

>>151671370
Nah, he only kills non-Archadians for the greater good, he's the true hero after all.

>>151671505
I'm just leveling people up for record materia at this point. oh, and I'm leveling up agrias as well since I got her SSB

>>151671149

3man with exp rm is good, that plus breaking the others when the rm procs is super optimal but pretty autistic.

>>151669275
Is there a guide in there that makes this game fun?

What's the best place to farm for RM2? (as I understand it, lowest amount possible of stamina with maximum amount of battles)
RMs in questions are WHM, BKM and SUM core.