>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/22824/
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page
Want to upgrade to the superior DotA clone?: http://www.dotabuff.com/learn/lol
>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/
>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guGFT27SavM
>No dota2gen hero
>>151593784
>Didn't say which year's fall.
>>151593828
>This Fall
>Implying
Whos gonna be next lads?
>>151593828
So why does every dota-like need a Monkey King hero
>>151593913
>>151593865
Someone needs to combine these edits because I sure as shit ain't doing it.
>like dc players (except the american that looks like a third-rate villain of a cheesy movie)
>can't stand actionslacks beyond words
what do.
> The last 6 matches have been 2-0
Doturds?
Insider bro here.
Monkey King will be released on December 20th.
>>151593943
GRORIOUS NIPPON RON RON NGUYEN CHIP CHIN NIP
Basically China has a lot of money and they spend it on stupid shit like dota hats.
>>151593880
>Nobrain the only one happy to JUST his TI6 up.
Is Underlord on the test client or what?
>>151593943
because they want to please their chinese bulls
>>151593781
lycan already self combos anyway
unlike pit lord he's a hero who can kill towers instantly, even through backdoor regen
and his summons are permanently invisible and 650 ms, making them far better than beastmaster hawks
>Earth Spirit will get nerfed again
>>151593990
Support OUR Jew.
How HARD will Delusional Cucks get BTFO today?
>>151593739
Daily reminder Slacks made it farther than rtc at ti6
>WAKE UP
>DC 2-0
WHO'S GONNA STOP THEM ? THEY HAVE ALREADY WON AS THEY'RE IN TOP 3 NOWWhat do you think puppey's thinking now ?
>>151593943
>>151594031
Nope, because he was created in dota1 years ago, he was gonna go out the next patch (as Wukong), there were ingame teasers, but it all died because of dota2.
whats the second hero? i know nothing about a second hero.
Say my name
>>151594159
Who needs dota when you are the president of mighty estonia?
>>151593993
Dota is all about drafting now, and 1 team is always better at drafting
>no NA vs NA final
Fuck you peter
>>151593784
where's Black King ?
>>151594183
el presidente!
>>151593784
Where the fuck did that Wyk kid got that image from?
>>151594247
Same thing.
>>151593993
>Draft badly
>Play badly
>why too wii loooseeeee
>>151594169
After Goku we have nothing, him and Pitlord were the last remaining heroes, only Icefrog knows what awaits us next.
>>151594183
Serious question:
Who is the most retarded member of Secret?
I vote Puppey. The whole trainwreck is his responsibility as puppey. He probably swapped w33 for rtz because reddit points.
>Taiko drums
Did Valve forgot to research Monkey King is chinese with a hint of poo in the loo
>out of all the directly invited teams 0 made it to the top 4
>only two made it to the top 8
What went wrong?
>>151594263
he a beta tester dude, valve always leaks shit to him
>>151594283
He swapped w33 for RTZ because Artour is his friend.
>>151594183
pup the cuck
>literally kicking Major winners and now TI Top-3
>for RTZ
you can't make up for that shit
>>151594238
even Secret is more american that dc.
>>151594283
He also brought on EE in the first place.
>>151594283
>implying reddit likes rtz
>>151594263
>that Wyk kid
he's a valve employee
he's a pseudo-PR guy and he also does the graphic design and layouts of their update pages
PEOPLE DONT ASK ME
I ASK PEOPLE
>>151594327
valve fell for the eu meme
>>151594327
>He still can't understand that good teams mindgame themselves to death.
Just watch how Liquid Fata buys Shiva against million of magic damage or how EHOME drafts fucking offlane Razor
also, who is secret's offlaner now? i guess aui is technically already in the team
>>151594359
fuck that image is amazing, do you have the full thing without the 4chan posts
>>151594327
>>151594352
Not according to Valve, Wikipedia, liquidpedia, DC and pretty much anyone who's not reddit or twitch chat.
I remember when DC was Disband Confirmed. Can't believe they got top 3
Where were all of the d2g memes in person at the international, give me the best of the week before we get to the finals
>>151594393
40k engagement ring
>>151593970
>>151594429
>i guess aui is technically already in the team
But he's not
>>151594446
I remember laughing at how shit moo and Saksa were in every tournament prior to this.
Then this happens
>>151594327
Despite valve's attempt to dictate roster stability with locking, good players and teams still ignored them. The stable teams weren't able to make the necessary changes to experiment with rosters and find optimum compositions.
>>151594439
If only OD's faces were swapped it would be perfect.
>>151594436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_53Fxlv5Y
>>151594486
H O N E Y P O T
>>151594359
Its even better with these posts
When did Timbersaw become popular?
>>151594414
shivas isn't an item you buy for armor
you get 2 less armor from hotd which costs 1/3 as much
shivas is a vision / slow / nuke item and for heroes who scale with int
flying vision from shivas that lets you catch up to someone while they are slowed and can't juke/run away is its biggest selling point, not armor lmao
>>151593784
tbqhfamilia the Chinese version fits him much better
.
>>151594473
yes he is, he was their coach or something during TI. although i cant see those guys being coached by him, except bulba who never had a chance anyway.
>>151594461
Why is he so perfect?
literally perfect president material
>>151594486
>moo is 13-0 with timbersaw at ti6
what caused this to happen
>>151594472
Thank you brother.
>>151594605
He's not anymore
source: asked him
>>151594525
Come the fuck on, EG got into Open Qualifiers because they roster swapped just like Secret.
>>151594586
FREE REGEN FOR DAAAAYS
PURE DAMAGE
MOBILITY
CHASE POTENTIAL
ONE OF THE BEST OFFLANERS
WHAT ELSE COULD YOU WANT
>>151594642
Secret got the short end of the stick on roster swaps, ending up with a shit composition, while EG ended up with one that worked.
>bloodseeker will always walk the thin line between complete shit and absolutely broken
>>151594594
You don't need to catch up people when they iniate on you, the enemy team was always hugging Liquid's balls in fights
Just watched the first episode of rezero and its shit
What am i doing whong
>wake up
>EG lost
>DC won
>african hero announced
End of times?
>>151594586
after the too good buff of the reactive armor
>>151594461
>I don't believe in marriage
>40k engagement ring
What did he mean by this?
>one last game before sleep
>70 min mega creeps comeback
just fuck my shit up
>>151594525
Are you this stupid? It was the players themselves who begged Valve to set some kind of lock.
This fucking newfags, next year we'll have people complaining about how Valve has a monopoly of the scene with the Majors.
>>151593784
someone should make this trailed with kelly and balda
>tfw Slacks placed higher than EE, Puppey, RTZ, miracle-, fly, n0tail, Matumbaman, kuro, jerax, Dendi, mushi, ohaiyo
>>151594710
nothing, it's fotm garbo
just rewatch evangelion
>>151594710
why do you want to get banned on the day of the grand finals, anon?
how's wutong's dota name spelled?
i guess Qin?
>>151594685
EG managed to recover mostly because zai came back.
What happens if DC wins TI6? Are they NA or EU?
>>151594840
>4 out of the 5 active players are europeans
what do you think?
>>151594685
But that alone refutes the stupid shit you said
>>151594840
they're an NA team that pilfered EUs best talent after EU shit the bed
>>151594818
Its dota related
>>151594710
1st arc is decent, 2 is pretty good, 3 is godlike
trust me u wanna keep watching
>>151594789
how can so many people not find him annoying is beyond me.
>>151594840
all memes aside, theyre eu no matter what. they have 1 na player, and he's the weakest link and only there because he's na. he's a token american.
>>151594834
Are you serious? They would have done just as good this TI with AUI.
>>151594840
>>151594907
>>151594924
>all memes aside, theyre eu no matter what
>>151594924
i found him annoying, but again that's the point
>>151594907
>>151594924
They went though the NA qualifiers so they will be treated as Americans.
>>151594932
LMAO
>>151594840
>Are they NA or EU?
Neither.
>>151594924
What region is Complexity, anon?
>>151594907
Look at the roster again retard
>3 NA
>3 EU
>1 CIS
>NA based org
>they play and practice in NA
>they matchmake on NA servers
>they qualified in the NA region
You have no one to blame but yourselves you guys kicked these dudes out of Europe and gave them no choice.
If Wings wins, are they EU or NA?
>>151595024
>EU in charge of keeping their best players in their region
>>151594932
Not if he was playing carry
>>151594981
You're a moron EG has gotten as far as they have in this tournament because of PPD's drafts and plays being made by the cores specifically universe and Sumail. Zai is playing well to but it ain't anything special that someone like AUI couldn't do.
so we got Lord and King hero what's next?
Monarch? Ambassador?
>>151594907
you guys dump them.
they came to US and became great again!
ah, NA vs EU match today, can you feel the tension in the air? Can you feel the burgers already shaking at the thought of losing against EU bulls? They can't literally show their face here anymore after EU is done with them haha
>>151595062
NA since there's more chinks in America than EU
Ok guys seriously.
I've fallen from 4k mmr to 3.3k mmr.
Almost all of my games, even after replay watching were unwinnable. A few I threw earlier up near the 4k mark, but as I've been going lower it's more and more out of my control. I have almost 9000 behavior score (which hasn't changed since I was climbing) and I've played offlane, roaming support, core, mid, initiator, pos 5. Every game has 1 douche who tilts minute one, people who all want to play carry and jungle/play support like shit and 1 guy who dies uncontrollably.
Who do I play, what do I do, how do I stop this.
This is seriously actually starting to piss me off.
>>151595106
I'm confused. NA vs EU? What EU team is left?
>>151595083
Hell no he would have been relegated back to position 4 support and had no choice but to comply.
When was Monkey King announced in yesterday's stream? I wasn't able to watch it and want to check out the VOD now. Was it after all games or in between the matches?
>>151595163
very end
>>151595142
Well I'm sure he would have wanted to. I don't think he ever wanted to be the carry they just fold him to for fear's sake.
>>151595129
>playing dota
Your not gonna be a pro player.
Get a better hobby
>>151594526
well i tried
>>151595185
Alright ty Anon
>>151594951
>They went though the NA qualifiers
so did all those koreans.in starcraft
>>151595015
dunno, thats 3-3, whatever you want..
theyre half american, half NiP team in disguise
2-3
but they're officially under american flag which i count as a 6th player. so it' 3-3.
>tfw 3k shitter
>tfw 2am random draft matches me with some drunk ass 6k
>dude goes fucking ham on the 3k shitters on the other team
It was like watching a bot game. I knew I was bad, but holy shit, this was an eye-opening experience. If I was on the other team I probably would've killed myself.
>>151595163
>>151595237
It was announced instantly after the DC vs Fnatic match
They played a 5 minute choreographed dance live on the stage and then showed the teaser
>>151593784
>harambe hero
good game dotards
>>151595242
>but they're officially under american flag which i count as a 6th player
>>151595223
Pretty good to be honest. Now all we need is someone to hold up signs like this behind fuckingmad.
>>151595271
m8 he's allowed to be retarded if he wants
>>151595269
>everyone complains about illusions this patch
>better release another illusion based hero
gooood fucking game
>>151593784
NAME'S MCCREE.
IT AIN'T MY TIME.
IT'S HIGH NOON.
There is nothing more American than moving from Europe to America and finding success. Therefore DC are American.
>>151595223
>GB still EU
?????
>>151595391
brings a tear to my eye to be quite honest my family
>>151595361
The worst part is he isn't even like a naga, TB or SD where it's just one spell. The entire hero is going to be illusion based probably something like old PL with tons of illusions.
>>151595391
This is pretty much it. They're first-generation honorary Americans.
>>151595391
There is nothing more American than taking credit from someone else (Dota 2/WW2/Slaves who built everything)
>>151594696
>thirst bonus damage persists for 5 seconds if Bloodseeker kills or is within 325 radius of a killed enemy hero
>thirst bonus speed persists for 5 seconds at 40% effectiveness if Bloodseeker kills or is within 325 radius of a killed enemy hero
Either that or
>damage amp only causes friendly heroes to take 25% bonus damage but deal 25/30/35/40% bonus damage
>causes enemies to deal 25% bonus damage but take 25/30/35/40% bonus damage
Fixed.
>Sun Wukong
Gambler when
Dark Terminator when
>>151595391
This. The American dream was built around immigrating to America and finding success. I'm actually pretty happy for the DC guys.
>>151595106
>it's LB final time
>PPD walks confident in the arena, knowing that the Honeypot is real
>the draft heavily favors EG
>suddenly DC start gaining back momentum
>despite Moo's average plays, DC takes the leader
>Sumail and Universe start chocking, Zai does his best but it isn't enough, Fear channels the power of his immense autism but it doesn't work
>salty drops of sweat run down Peter's face
>EG loses
>DC proceeds to lose the GF because of THE YEAR OF CHINA
>still EU proves itself superior
>after the shuffle all American orgs start picking only EU talents
>some days pass
>in a dark room, someone is gently crying
>it's Puppey
>he knows his ultimate sacrifice opened the way for a new era of prosperity for EU doto
Screencap this
what if DC was full european team (some random russian instead of Moo the Mama's Boy).
Would people complain?
>>151595442
Apologize. Now.
>>151595391
WHITE PEOPLE POWER!!!!!
Luckvase and Trove stuff is on the Market. Has that always been the case or did I just never check?
>>151595442
Slaves LITERALLY didn't build shit and were in fact the #1 reason the South fell behind economically.
>>151595442
>America didn't create Dota 2
Neck yourself retard Valve is an American cooperation
>>151595509
Would they play in the EU qualifiers?
>>151595521
Brown people are free to come here too if they want to be a boon to society.
See: Universe, Sumail
>>151595391
>>151595429
>>151595437
>>151595502
Holy shit this is like some fanfic tier writing right here look at this idiot
>>151595651
Dota 2 General is a bully-free environment.
>recycled bane & enchantress immortal to get the Spring weather orb
If those two heroes suddenly become meta next patch, I will be pissed
>>151595459
>when the target of Rupture is out of HP, get stunned for (4*hero level) seconds
>>151595587
>be mohammed aqbar sumail
>start smoking and play dota2
>get millions of millions
>from smoking flavor water into smoking weed
>get into drug
>spend all the money on whore
>be broke and have no education because quit school for le digital sport
>work on 7-11
can't wait for the future
>>151595581
The question wouldnt make sense then.
In NA. that's what im asking about. if DC didnt keep token american but had all 5 european players, would people complain that they qualified to TI in NA?
>>151595683
>he doesn't support DC
uhh, dotards ?
>>151595736
>sunsfan
He fucked up they ain't going to win shit tomorrow. Fucking Jew's ruining everything as usual.
>>151593739
MISERY
MISERY
MISERY
OUR GUY
Our guy is streaming. You know the one.
>girl at work smiles and looks at me now and then
>"hey would you like to hang out sometime after work"
>"uhh, i dont know"
>turns around and walks away fast
what did she mean by this??
I hope wings win this tournament lads
>>151595814
it's a fake tweet m8
the other 5 are real, though
>>151595736
hate these twitter superstitions, even zai did it and it didn't work
>>151594135
6.89
Earth Spirit
Boulder Smash now deals 5/10/15/20 damage from 50/100/150/200 damage
Stun duration reduced to 0.50 from 0.75/1.25/1.75/2.25
Rolling Boulder's slow duration reduced from 1.4/1.6/1.8/2 to 0.5/.06/.07/.1
Deals no longer damage
Geomagnetic Grip can now only be used on units affected by Enchant Remnant
Magnetize
Cooldown increased from 100/90/80 to 160
Stone Remnant
Reduced remnant duration from 120 to 5
Increased charge replenish time from 30 to 60
>>151595880
6.90
Earth Spirit
Removed from the game
>>151595840
She was just being friendly and you misinterpreted it. She'll probably never speak to you again.
>>151595880
>>151595909
Doom in a nutshell
>>151595840
>"uhh, i dont know"
it means she's not interested.
>wake up
>wings 2-0d eg
>new hero announced
what a great day dotards
>>151595736
I like DC so much and hate puppey so much. Look at how he treated resolution. seriously if DC are out, I will quit watching dota 2. I already uninstalled this badly balanced torture program
>>151595840
yea she didn't see you like that
>I hope wings win this tournament lads
that's probably why
>>151595849
>>151595814
>>151595736
>Sunsfan tweets about top two
>the person that tweets about the aegis isSlacks
Calling it now
>>151594829
I hope you die in a fucking fire
Why isn't the Eternal Anglo good at Dota?
>>151595934
Fuck icefraud instead of just balancing him he would rather just eliminate him with a 2 and a half minute CD single target ult. The hero is just too fucking cooldown dependent.
>>151595996
Chin?
Kin?
Quinn?
>>151595391
Nothing more American than getting over the border and finding success. Trump got it all wrong.
>>151595954
they already made it to top 3 anon, they're winners already.
>minimum of $2,162,386 for DC
>maximum of $102,971 for Secret
>>151595958
MAKE IT HAPPEN
>>151595442
this
>>151596070
I know this is bait, but I don't think Trump's taken a stance against lawful immigration in general, just illegals and the Middle East.
How do you fix this guy?
>>151595954
>I like DC
off yourself
>>151595564
Abdul created dota 2. Nothing more American than being a muslim huh?
>>151596130
>>151596131
t. Puppey
>>151596070
Trump's a nigger what else is new.
>inb4 poltards think i'm actually going to vote in this clown fiesta election
>>151596130
Have him take speaking lessons
Make him lose weight
Cure his autism
I'm sad that DC didn't get to thrash Secret on the main stage
>>151596160
Muslims can be American. This is why no one integrates in Europe, because no matter what you can never be good enough for the natives, so no one even bothers.
>>151596186
Estonia needs you
>>151596160
>1 person made the entire game
Again neck yourself.
>>151595840
Clearly shes very shy, and ran away before the rest of the spaghety came out
Keep pursuing
>>151596124
>middle east
>w33
Sumail more Indian than middle eastern but you get the picture. America wouldn't have won jackshit without them.
>>151595934
>>151596038
Doom
>Devour unchanged
>Scorched Earth Unchanged
>Infernal Blade changed to Demonic Curse
>deals 40/80/120/160 magic damage + 4/6/8/10xLevel Magic DoT for 6 seconds
14 second cooldown 140 mana cost
>Doom stuns for 1 second on cast, silences, mutes, breaks, and purges the target for 6/7/8 seconds, deals 50/75/100 pure damage per second
120 second cooldown, 200/300/400 mana cost
>>151596130
Remove him. Literally the worst "hype" caster.
He's using an american made computer which was invented by americans with american invented internet to talk about a video game made by america to root for an american founded team on an american imageboard
what did he mean by this
>>151594159
I can't believe I liked puppey. I simply can't believe it. What a scumbag
>>151596392
Kuroky spotted
>>151596392
DELUSIONAL
>>151596392
you better take those back you pleb. noone talks like that to the future Estonian president.
>>151596327
>people still post their garbage hero skill ideas
Maybe if you posted some number tweaks but fuck off trying to create new spells.
>>151596392
You dont know the whole situation in the team
You cant judge him
Reminder that China will never beat NA
>>151596496
Where's the Caliphate at?
why would they make another illusion hero when sandking aghs exist?
Do you think guys think president Trump will defend president Clement Ivanov's Estonia against Putin?
>>151596364
>computers are made in America
>computers were invented only by americans
>world wide web was invented by americans
>DC is an American team
>creating 4chan is a good accomplishment
>>151596496
do you guys think athletes that don't win are killed?
i read about some dude in china who got life in prison for ordering 20 toy replica guns
>>151596475
>new spell
It's LvL Death combined with Infernal Blade so Doom can still break Linkens and deal scaling damage at the same time.
>>151596491
He can judge him. He just shouldn't.
I know i shouldn't judge him, but I'm going to anyway. I really want misery or w33 to address the entire situation one day
>>151596547
>>151596279
yeah i dont know, she studies some nerdy shit aka econometrics.
She seems hella smart and is qt on top of that so i assumed theres no way i would have chance with her anyway. Maybe ill get to talk to her mondays and aks if i scared her off or something.
It was kinda funny desu
>>151595918
>>151595945
>>151595956
:ok_hand:
>>151596572
best thing coming out of ti desu right after sunwukong and secret being btfo in general
>>151596564
They gonna invade estonia together then divide it
I want updated puppey convos from 2016. Who cares about last years convos?
>>151596628
>only Germany
Ya but I bet the entire EU has more medals then you Americucks. Eat shit
What is Theeban talking about in the first images? Is Puppey actually married with a kid?
>>151596675
it shows his personality
SOMEBODY STOP THEM
>>151596628
That's not EU.
>>151596364
everything in your computer is made in asia
>>151596724
he was going to get married if he won TI5
but kuro the mad turk ruined it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J9mfcExhg
this is still the best mmr guide
>>151596695
>>151596742
He asked for the Caliphate though, not EU in general
insider guy here, wanna make some money?
valve rigged the system again just like at TI4 with Newbee Cinderella story
EG will win 2-1 over DC and then win the 1st game and lose the next 3 against Wings gaming
the story of this TI will be "le unpredictable chinese newcomers" aka the 5 monkey kings ;^)
Valves problem still is the chinese market and they literally engineer this whole TI as a marketing tool for their 1 billion potential customers
>>151596724
she was at the eu hub at ti4
>>151596590
Puppey is a Hitler of dota
You listen to him or get kicked
If EG get BTFO this will be the best ti ever. I don't want them to win a second time. They don't deserve it. Even wings deserve it more than them. Rich shouldn't get richer
>>151596736
>>151596736
This is Wings meta they're just too nasty right now. Don't worry though after the post TI patch they'll get JUST fucked probably.
>>151596736
EG will defeat them tomorrow.
whats your personality doturds?
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
>>151596780
slit your throat
>>151596794
Whose he gonna kick now? All he's got to kick is PLD. Everyone else is a good friend that he loves playing with.
>>151596767
>>151596786
Do we have a twiiter or something, who is she?
>>151596784
The Caliphate IS the EU anon where you been?
>>151596695
> A continent that fields up to 28 times more participants/teams in events than the united states gets more medals than them.
Great accomplishment.
>>151596807
>This is CDEC's meta they're just too nasty right now.
Gambler when...???
>he fell for the "dota 2 pros care about me meme"
>>151596878
isn't this the entire joke?
It takes an entire continent to compare to the US?
>>151596861
post your mmr before you talk
>>151596917
after grand finals
>>151596919
SPOILER
>>151596883
CDEC were shitters with a tiny pool of heroes and only one style of dota. They also didn't understand Techies. Wings are a different beast all together.
You guys realize that peter is awake right now, pouring over replays and calculating which strategies to maximally btfo DC and Wings, right?
>when a caster tries to make up a metaphor, analogy or quick witted saying and they fuck it up completely
>>151596932
There are 50 states in America though. States are basically countries so it's fair.
>>151596919
i feel sorry for the kid. She would grow up in fucked up situation.
>emotionally unstable mother
>balding angry white father (because he got cucked)
>parents are addicted to videogames
Can someone post the Misery LGD int fancy entrance webm again? Gotta have that prepared for later.
>>151596976
They don't get to compete as separate teams.
>>151596976
>states are basically countries
>>151596968
I should hope he isn't awake at 3:00am Seattle time when his first series is in like 8 hours.
>>151596976
Is it ok to combine mexico and canada into the US so it's continent vs continent then?
>>151596968
ppd and puppey need to be removed from the scene for it to flourish.
>>151596830
i got bored half way through
what does it mean?
I want to be the President of Estonia ;_;
>>151597005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKk0xANUHM0
>>151596830
>>151597067
For a union with them first. Like yorup did.
>>151596830
Holy shit that fucking fake reaction from the gamurrrrr girl. Also, fuck Shemnue 3. It would be ok if it was released like 1 decade ago, but now it will just look like a glorified 2deep4you indie game.
>>151596976
>states are basically countries
>cant tell if this is poor bait or an actual retarded yuronigger
>>151597059
>LODA AND MUMMY
>LODA
LMAO what a cuck
>>151597159
okay, so the EU is the european union and nothing else
>>151597096
Delusional little faggot.
>>151596830
>>151597148
based
How to fix faceless void:
Time Walk:
>Time walk no longer makes faceless void invulnerable and is interrupted if he becomes disabled
>Speed from 3000 to 2000
>Damage is now rewound throughout the time walk, mirroring when it was dealt in reverse. An attack that hit you 1 second ago will be healed at 50% of the distance, an attack that hit you 2 seconds ago will be healed at the very end.
Time Dilation:
>Duration from 6/8/10/12 to 4 at all levels
>Cooldown from 40/34/28/22 to 6 at all levels
>Now slows by constant 15/20/25/30%
>Instead of pausing cooldowns, slows down the rate at which cooldowns elapse by 45/60/75/90%
>Slows all enemy projectiles in the aoe by 45/60/75/90% for 4 seconds (All projectiles from spells, attacks, items)
Time Lock:
>No longer deals bonus damage during chronosphere
>Now pauses cooldowns for 1 second for each time lock during chronosphere (duration stacks)
Chronosphere:
>Cast time from 0.35 to 0.65
>Aghanims no longer reduces cooldown
>Aghanims now causes faceless void to simultaneously attack all enemy units inside chronosphere with each attack
GET EM BOYS>tfw no zai card
>>151596968
Delusional little faggot
>>151596572
soooo
fat fuck removal soon?
>>151596572
WHO MATT
CYBORGFATT MATT?
Did resolution spend 20k on puppey?
>>151597293
that was one year ago
He wasn't removed and he wont' be
>>151596785
>going full damage control 8 hours before the matches
guys how many milligrams of adderall do you think will be consumed later today at the international 6?
id say around 1200mg xr/ir
>>151597120
Thanks, but i'm looking for the webm... have been trying to find in the archives but no success so far.
>>151597269
dont use universe u retard offlaners suck for this
>>151597363
Its about matt
>>151597237
>no longer does bonus damage in chrono
are you actually retarded
What happened to madara?
>>151597424
it was posted today (yesterday eu)
>>151596830
Godammit this is the "cuck" personality type isn't it
there is really no point in watching the final day, wings is going to win. DC has a 5% chance of winning in the finals and EG has a 40% chance
0-7 winrate on the main stage
>>151597543
not a cuck
but beta as fuck
>>151597465
No, reso supposedly spent 20k on puppey meeting him at restaurants and hotels to ask him if they could play together. And puppey hates him
>>151596872
Hungary isn't a Caliphate
Neither is most of Eastern Europe, yet they are part of the EU
>>151596830
Mastermind itt
>>151597591
How could you hate this cute boi just wanting to play some good DOTA?
>>151597563
The day they stop building radiance manta octarine on him, that day he will win.
>>151597232
What's the current Bounty Hunter build?
>>151597005
>>151597120
>>151597424
>>151597531
Freaking found it.
I really hope EU wins today bros, EG looked garbo against wings.
>>151596636
leave her alone or she will get you fired
>>151597237
>>Damage is now rewound throughout the time walk, mirroring when it was dealt in reverse. An attack that hit you 1 second ago will be healed at 50% of the distance, an attack that hit you 2 seconds ago will be healed at the very end.
thats a nightmare to code and changes practically nothing
>2 second down time dilation
no
>>Slows all enemy projectiles in the aoe by 45/60/75/90% for 4 seconds (All projectiles from spells, attacks, items)
just stop
>Aghanims now causes faceless void to simultaneously attack all enemy units inside chronosphere with each attack
kill yourself
Did Misery really cry when they won the match? Does someone have the webm or something?
I mean i feel good for the man, he was t reated like trash by Puppey and its magic that the nigger finished 16th.
>>151597746
What happened to his hairline?
>>151597543
You are cute.
>>151597591
Its about matt
Hes complaining about matt spending too much money
Reso couldnt spent so much money on puppey
20k for cis is a crazy amount of money
>>151597543
welcome brother
>>151597675
puppey realised he was a better player than him and that upset him so much
>>151597820
>20k for cis is a crazy amount of money
not anymore lmao
I TOOK OVER
cause HE fucked UP
I DIDNT HAVE A CHOICE
>>151597543
>>151597834
god damnit I also got this one
>>151597749
did you not watch wings dumpster DC so hard that they felt they could throw away a game by picking pudge and techies?
i've been meaning to ask, what the fuck are the numbers below the team names?
>eg ehome game 1
w t f
>>151597892
>>151597953
honeypot match desu
>>151597946
it's some microtransaction thing, you buy an increase to that number
>>151597946
people who have the pennants when valve use to give a fuck about them
>>151597946
Pennants. One of many countless features that Valve has abandoned over the years.
>>151597543
>>151597834
>>151597892
hey
>>151597946
# of ppl watching in game that owns a team pennant
>tfw no monkey hero
>>151596636
Do not ask if you "scared her off" or anything that sounds like that. That sounds creepy. If she doesn't bring it up again it's because she's not interested and was dodging the situation rather than having a potentially awkward interaction having to deny you directly.
>>151596830
h-how did i do
>last year's loading screen
Wow, looks like 100 millions in cash just from TI6 is not enough to have a proper game dev team.
Came here just to tell you faggots who keep playing this trash to end yourselves.
Fucking joke.
>>151598138
wrf I hate dota now
>>151598138
WTF
I
HATE
DOTANOW
>>151598132
Since you're cute and all...
>>151596830
sweet
>>151593784
>phantom lancer already has a hat set that gives him the exact same shit monkey king wears
nice game dotards
>>151598307
jesus christ man
>>151598387
wtf 2 wukongS ?!PogChamp
>>151598334
>extraverted
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>151598138
Wtf I hate dota now.
Good thing I already uninstalled
>>151598334
>not being intj
an hero yourself
>sun wukong is created to be a hard counter to illusions
>>151598453
Morphling and shadow demon?
>>151596830
im definitely going to use this image
How to fix Mirana Aghs maymay
>Doesn't cast Starfall automatically anymore
>Gives starfall 2 charges
>You manually cast with along with the mana cost and cast animation of it
rate and subscribe
>>151598334
NORMIE GET OUT
>>151598453
like shaker or ember?
hold on, so Dota is stealing LoL heroes now?
>kick w33 and Misery
>become DELUSIONAL BIG FAGGOT
Really makes you think
>>151596830
INTP-T
you just got told family
What if Monkey King had innate true strike?
>>151596830
Master Race
>>151598586
you're usually this retard or you're just doing you'r best?
Who cares about TI when you're the president of Estonia lmao
>>151598598
>secret cucks
really make you think
>>151598586
no, dota first had the idea for the hero, then trashed it, then hon took it, then league copied hon, now dota picked it up again
http://i.imgur.com/yAjh963.jpg
https://www.heroesofnewerth.com/heroes/view/197#hero
>>151598509
>along with the mana cost
completely useless. mirana's mana pool is awful.
>>151598663
NO. Monkeys aren't like that.
>>151598509
terrible
mirana doesn't have the mana for that and you now have to sit in place for like 3 seconds to hit both
>>151598675
What does the extra A mean?
>>151596830
H... how did I do? Anon-kun.
Lads, I'm so nervous.
>>151598586
Yes its shit LoL hero that we get only because
>le based chinks are our greatest ally ;))
>>151598692
Hi friend, please point me to the original Dota hero "Wukong" :)
>>151598586
we already stole corki lmao
>>151596392
Wtf i hate puppey now???
Who is puppey replacing PLD with?
>>151596241
>CR: What’s it like playing with MiSeRy as your captain? How does the communication flow through you guys? Is it just MiSeRy saying what should happen or is everyone on the team offering suggestions, and if it’s a good idea you follow it?
>DH: It depends on how the game is going. If MiSeRy is having a good game he usually leads, like most of the time he’ll give us general game plans of what’s going to happen and what he wants to do, and then we’ll follow that and maybe have small little ideas of what we’re going to do to help that. But if he’s not in control, then it’s usually either me, (Aliwi “w33” Omar) or Resolut1on kind of leading the game and telling us, “Hey, I want to take this tower, do this, do that.” Unless it’s against Secret, then MiSeRy is yelling louder than I’ve ever heard him yell before when we’re winning.
>CR: Is that actually a serious grudge? Like, you go into those games more serious than you normally would?
>DH: For MiSeRy it is. I don’t care as much. But he definitely does. When we win versus another team we’re hyped up, but when it’s against Secret we’re hitting their throne and he’s jumping out of his chair and banging on the desk. He definitely holds a bit of a grudge.
>When we win versus another team we’re hyped up, but when it’s against Secret we’re hitting their throne and he’s jumping out of his chair and banging on the desk.
>>151598761
>gambling your good boy points
the absolute madman
>>151598719
The HoN equivalent is pretty fun. Lots of combo potential with shift-queue.
thoughts?
http://ask.fm/realadmiralbulldog
just watched the VODS for Wings vs EG
and fucking chinks are falling for the honeypot AGAIN
cdec fell for it and now wings
god i love ppd
>>151598842
Man (boy) is about to be tendie-rich.
>>151598789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk0O-hce7NM
>>151598416
only kinda its random
>Secret kicks w33 and Misery for RTC and Universe
>Misery and w33 join team fucking sunsfan with a bunch of rejects
>They're top 3 TI6 and Secret came last
Amazing really
I hope that "harambe" is a retired meme once monkey king is released
I get enough of that shit in overwatch with winston
>>151598442
I don't understand the difference
>>151598742
Autistic
>>151598742
assertive
LoL player here
some dotard convinced me to play a game with him. how the fuck do you play this shitty game?
>ricky permananet invisibility
this champ is so fuckign broken and toxic it's not even funny. literally no counterplay
and not to mention it all looks like ass and is slow as fuck
>>151598516
Why?
daily reminder
>>151598843
HoN's Monkey King is fantastic
I really hope we get something like him
>>151598873
hey I don't remember that hero, it doesn't look like a monkey aha
>>151598883
TI makes people choke and they were such a ragtag team no one really could prepare for them
watch as next year no one will want to win last major before TI except tier 3 teams
>give w33 invoker
>lose
dotards ?
>>151598761
cash it out
eg got this 100%
>>151598761
It's only 10. Don't be so nervous. I have a multi-bet going for $150 AUD.
>>151598985
totally not a low quality bait
>>151599025
>fnatic
>UK
well, technically I guess
>>151598985
Bounty hunter,Slardar another invisible hero whit a gem sentry,Dust,Void's Chrono axe's call there is a lot of ways to kill him It's just a matter of time keep trying if you want or stay in league of legends its a good game
DC need to draft meepo
>kick w33
>for RTZ
you can't make up for that shit
Hourly reminder
>>151599103
The organization's based out of Britain. The team's obviously not British because they still live in Malaysia, practice against SEA teams, etc.
>>151599041
Idk why he have that name its a fucking cow in game but is some shit from chinesse culture so isnt original from dota or something like that its like sayind zeus is an original DotA hero
>>151599149
1 european? okay
>>151599147
>Kick the best invoker in the world for RTC
What did puppey and EE mean by this?
>>151599149
American team confirmed
Is this art?
>>151599149
>literally a slav team
>>151599149
Most powerful country takes precedence.
>>151598852
Would you ever want to clone yourself?
yes I've tried many times to suck my own dick, now it would be super easy. it's not gay if it's your own
10/10
>>151598985
Dota player here
some lolbabby convinced me to play a game with him. how the fuck do you play this shitty game?
>2 foot blink on a 300 second cooldown
this ability is so fuckign broken and toxic it's not even funny. provides literally no counterplay and not to mention it all looks like anime and is slow as fuck
>>151598138
I can't believe I liked dota. I simply can't believe it. What a shit game
>>151599168
Yeah that's what I was getting at. Fnatic is a british org but the team is undeniably just another iteration of Mushi's perennial team malaysia.
>armlet PA
where is this meme from
>>151599149
Doesn't get more american than a bunch of immigrants.
>>151599197
rtz is actually a great player and every Pro player knows it If secret want to do something good they nedd to kick EE and puppey
>>151599197
i now legit want a DC 2-0 victory against EG, simply for the shitposting that'll come out of it
"wtf i hate x now"
this is a /pol/ meme right
>>151598867
here have a (You)
>>151599232
What is he thinking
>>151599232
it's so dense
>>151599261
from the fact that armlet is fucking broken
>>151598734
>>151598663
>>151598509
>>151597892
>>151597814
>>151597725
>>151596175
>>151595271
>>151595129
>>151594840
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
wings got baited so hard
>>151599232
Bravo kubric
Dota kino
>>151599307
>that was the most pointless fucking waste of time I could have been back studying drafts with zai
>holy shit I can't believe they wanted me to eat that cheese are they trying to kill me
>I'm so fucking done after TI6 fuck this shit nigga I don't even care
have you introduced your girl to dota? ti6 probably a good time to do so
what is DC's win condition against EG?
>>151599307
jet fuel cant melt steel beams
>>151599240
So is Fnatic a Filipino team?
will LD die from how much money sunfan is about to win? or will eg knock them out?
>>151599232
>mfw people write retarded storylines like how everyone hates everyone but their team but they're mostly friends or acquaintances making good money playing dota with friends against friends.
rly makes you think how retarded the storyline faggots are
>>151599337
I'm an ironic weeaboo though
>>151599307
>that little fucking baby artour is looking at me, isnt he
>>151599232
DELUSIONAL
>>151599426
HONEY
>wake up
>new hero
Cool. Wasn't monkey king a very very very old concept from the dota allstars forums?
>Original Icefrog heroes for TI7.
Why do pros continuesly pick dogshit heroes like Alchemist and then they go retarded builds like the radimeme build instead of just getting a Solar crest and an armlet.
Teams try to be next level all the time and try to "outdraft" the oppposing team, instead of just picking what's op and creating a balanced and solid team around it. Of course sometimes it works out like in the Antimage EG vs Wings game but most times it doesn't. Most of the times it just fails and they play some shit composition just to counter 1 hero, but it's fine because the opposing team does the absolute same thing and the game often times just turns out into being shit draft vs shittier draft.
Do pros just forget about OP shit or do they ignore it on purpose?
What about Magnus + Jugg? That shit is beyond broken, but I think it wasn't even picked once in the entire TI, even though both heroes are never banned.
Phantomlancer that actually goes Yasha-Bots-Manta-Diffusal and gets 800 gpm instead of Treads-vlads-diffusal with 415 gpm like all the pros do? And don't tell me that "it wouldn't work in pro games because they know how to play around it", even if they do, it's such a strong strategy that it would at least net a 70%+ winrate if done well with teamwork.
Omniknight (especially with Huskar)? A perma 12 second bkb? Inb4 reddit tells me that pros know how to buy diffusal to "counter omni", not realizing that it's not his ult that is the most op about Omni, oh and forcing heroes to buy Diffusal even though it's bad on them is great as well.
I've been saying this for such a long time, pros just don't know what's actually op in this game and how to utilize it. Remember when Slark actually had a around 300 damage pounce and dark pact around 2-3 years ago? Only very few pro picks (who went midas-blink and lost lol) and reddit telling everybody "Slark is bad because pros know how not to get picked off".
>>151599298
Wtf I hate /pol/ now.
>>151599507
Yes. I remember talking about the 6.79 tease with my firends during HS.
Why does the son keep running away from the father
>Monkey King announced
>STILL no kel snippity
>>151599568
Never work with your family
>>151599552
peter picked it to lose but look like they're "trying" to please sponsors
>>151599552
Sufail is a fucking retard and he should be back to school
>>151599552
Alchemist with mjolnir>radiamce
>>151599552
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
>be dumb NA poster.
>claim a team with 4 euros in it as NA.
>>151599552
PL with Yasha bots wouldn't do jack shit in that draft against Slardar, Ursa and Slark.
Fucking outdraft is what it is called and thats why the shitty Sumail DPS Alchemist failed too.
>>151599381
this is the one where she gets it in the ass until she pisses in public right?
>>151599743
18+
>>151599381
>tfw no Empornium account.
Help a senpai dotard
invite?
>>151599656
yeh for sure
if EG just like stomped through every team TI6 wouldnt look good to outsiders
>When EG is playing the crowd is chanting "USA"
>When DC is playing the crowd is chanting "DC"
Really makes you think!
>>151599552
pros are dumb and do inefficient builds all the time. the vast majority of innovation / optimization is from high level pubs.
>Teams try to be next level all the time and try to "outdraft" the oppposing team, instead of just picking what's op and creating a balanced and solid team around it
a lot of teams do what you said
there are 2 drafting styles. 1. where you pick a largely predetermined lineup (EG and OG do this) and 2. where you just pick whatever you think is best at the moment (Wings, Na'vi)
Is Kunkka finally meta?
>>151599860
>half rom curls
>doing sit ups
Not gonna make it
>>151599729
battlefury alchemist is the only right answer
Yeah no I'm not letting a stupid monkey hero into my game.
Next 4 decides what new hero gets added.
You aren't STILL doubting, are you?
>>151599793
>this is the one where she gets it in the ass until she pisses in public right?
how do we fix women d2g
>>151599542
>original
>he hasnt played the beta monkey king on the warcraft map
>>151599860
She is perfect
>>151599785
Of course I'm not saying that Yasha Bots Pl can fill every game and can't get countered, but people ignore these actually incredibly strong ways of playing just to... pick Alch and go Radiance Octarine or pick AM and get a 20 minute battlefurry.
It's a joke desu, I'm actually sure that a 5 stack of 6k players could win TI if they didn't act like children, practiced and actually played whats good instead of trying to mimic pros.
Like hell, Magnus Juggernaut is good against 90% of the drafts I have seen at TI. You can even offlane Magnus pretty nicely nowadays.
>>151600002
monkey queen
>>151600028
She was perfect
>>151600009
EG is so fucking boring. DC and wings are so much more fun to watch.
>>151594586
>bonus 60% potency to a skill
buffs like these dont happen often
>DC faring this far in the tournament
Mr. President is definitely not pleased
But seriously tho, what was he smoking and he thought kicking w33 and misery was a good call
So, is monkey man a wc3 dota hero or a dota 2 hero?
>Soulless Americans will win TI
Ugh..
>>151600167
DOTA 2 hero considering they were unable to actually *make him* in WC3.
>>151599785
What did sumail build on alch?
>>151600167
WC3
>>151600184
>implying NA will win
This year will be the year THE FIRST TIME A OPEN QUALIFIER TIME WINS
wew lad
just to garner some attention to itself.
>>151600184
>euroes
>asians
>having souls
Choose in the singular fashion.
>>151600163
The man has his head so far up his ass that he doesn't know what hes thinking anymore, only that hes perfect.
>>151600163
they made the mistake of asking him a question
>>151600167
he was the last "previewed" hero in dota
in dota, usually .x9 versions of maps have a secret mode to do some really complex bullshit to summon a boss enemy and theyre the next hero
monkey king was the 6.79 boss 3 years ago in october, but never got made into a hero.
people correctly predicted he would be the first new dota 2 hero
>>151600184
If EG beats DC, I won't watch the grand final
>>151599785
>implying EG actually tried that game
Memes
>>151600184
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
>>151599769
>team based in us
>pub in na
>scrim in na
>na tournies
>na ti qualifiers
>LIVE in na
>dont worry their eu
wew, it must be rough being so delusionalnobody mention that theyre all slavs except the one MID EASTERN guy
>>151600213
armlet solar chrest
>>151600167
Both
>>151597563
>optimised for single target DPS
>let's memepush xD
>>151597760
>thats a nightmare to code and changes practically nothing
it makes it so you can counter time walk with a stun
and its not hard to code
>whenever faceless void takes damage, store that damage amount and timestamp it for 2 seconds
>whenever faceless void casts time walk, iterate through the stored data points Then make each heal occur at the (current time - timestamp ) / (2 seconds) * (distance / 2000)
>>151600295
>Live in America for 2 months.
>Claim I'm an American now.
>>151600252
>refuse to integrate
>get punished for it
Yeah soulless american is right.
>>151597563
>>151597712
Why the fuck don't people slap Daedalus AC Abyssal Satanic BkB BoTs on the guy?
He can get 6 slotted like a madman, why not slot him like an actual carry?
>>151595391
>falling for the Honeypot Nation
[1984 intensifies]
>>151600270
>the first new dota 2 hero
Every hero since 6.79 has been DOTA 2 hero first and afterthought WC3 hero second.
>>151600340
MUH RADIAAAAAANCE
IT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE IT'S JUST HOW WE DO THINGS AROUND HERE OKAY
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
HERE COMES THE TWISTER
>>151600028
soe is indeed perfection
>euroes in the bargaining stage of grief
>>151598586
Icefraud ran out of idea so we have to do it.
>>151600163
I understand Mr.President to be honest.
Think about it, you have just won Shanghai major, you're happy but you're focused on TI, because it's 8x the price pool.
You get the chance to get Universe AND Rtz
Everyone would take this opportunity.
>>151600242
>eg was open qualifiers
thanks for the confirmation
>a serious case of me ooga team booga
t-thanks icefraudseriously though, what went wrong?
So. What's gonna happen to them now?
how many smurfs do you have?
i have like 30.
when forced 50% kicks in i just make a new account and enjoy the game.
>>151598761
I think you might earn some 200 dollars easy. I also feel Wings will get this. They have shown pretty good mechanical skills and versatile draft.
Say my name
>>151600428
W33 and misery have been consistent this whole year. They've worked harder than anyone else. They deserve to win.
>>151600476
most successful president in esportstonia
>>151600445
suicide pact
>>151600439
you were up against an armlet PA
tough luck bud
>DotA 2
>not an actual, real sequel to WC3 DotA
?
>>151600475
ICEICE got a lucky a lot of the times in the EG matchup. Faith_bian was playing really well but I don't htink Wings are that far ahead of EG.
JUst that luck was smiling on Iceice that series
>>151600491
>They deserve to win.
The team that wins TI, deserves to win, as they most likely won the Grand Finals.
Fucking sjw retard
>>151600331
welcome to america, land of the immigrants
> KuroKy suffered from disabilities to his legs, and would struggle to use his legs.
>puppey threatened to beat him up and make him lose all his teeth
This TI has almost made me want to come back and play again.
Almost.
is there a webm of loda sperging out over the navi fountain hooks
if eg loses to dc na dota will never be able to recover from shitter status regardless of overperformance or previous ti wins
>>151600527
>guinsoo
>original creator of dota allstars
yeah that might be true
but my boy eul works at valve and he made the original dota
>>151600527
>creator
not creators
>>151600527
Delusinal little lolbabby
>>151600545
Don't fall for the out-of-beta jew
>>151600558
Reason why Loda was sperging out was because probably at that moment he realized he could never match that skill himself and felt quite threatened since Na'Vi wasn't dropped out.
Like PPD put it, if it was easy to do everyone would be doing it.
It's in r/dota2s first page
>>151596830
>>151599307
>my feet hurt
>this party blows
>i just want to go home
>and play dota2 on my crt monitor
>>151600439
>that ls build
>>151600582
Hey DC have an American. They are "NA" dota.
If EG win Ti6, dota, the esports scene will die. Because Americans don't even like dota and the other regions will lose interest.
>>151600545
I played my first match in a year last nightIt was fun
>>151600604
BassHunter made a song about "original" DotA or about Guinsoo DotA Allstars?
Face it, Guinsoo brought DotA the most popularity, Icefag just stole it.
>>151600382
>>151600340
i dont get why you'd get radiance manta octarine on a hero who has no skills to work with it
its a good build for heroes like naga, terrorblade, arc warden, etc
>>151599232
shit dendi is losing his form
I WANT TO OPEN DOTA 2 AND QUEUE A PUB
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 10 MONTHS
THIS TI HAS BEEN TOO FUCKING GOOD DOTARDS
>>151600669
>talking shit on CRT monitors
>>151600545
absolute madman
get out while you still can pal
wtf I like dota now
>>151600657
>>151600765
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
Hi guys I love dota! When is Secret playing?
>>151600382
I mean, Radiance is a totally fine damage item and helps his fast farming be even faster, I could see someone doing that and replacing it for Daedalus or BkB later.
I mean, the dude has shit stats, a fairly wonky to use stun, and his damage spell that anyone can just walk out of that's better for farming than it is fighting in most cases. The only reason he's good is FREE GOLD and 1.0 BAT. Why not hit like a fucking truck with that 1.0 BAT? Why buy 3 not-damage items on a guy with 1.0 BAT?
Friendly reminder that Monkey King will be another of those inappropriately strong in the early game and mid game agility heroes that still have retardedly good late games like Gyro or Ember.
>>151600776
welcome to 4chan, is this your first time?
>>151600776
>judge
>anime
you dun goofed anon
>>151600776
thank for the educational video
appreciate that
I can't wait for the European team Wings to knock EG out of grand finals.
>>151600491
>They deserve to win.
not if they cant beat eg
>>151596830
the autism continues...
>>151600807
>>151600869
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
>>151600808
Because of money senpai
gotta get that 4200 g +10 stat items for everyone instead of finishing the game
>>151600776
>>151600912
>>>/r/eddit
t. person who hates anime
>>151600696
>guinsoo brought dota the most popularity
i think youre confusing popularity and notoriety baito-san
guinsoo doto was popular because it was a trainwreck of a hero arena, it was horribly balanced, poorly thought out with map/hero/item design and only gained traction in later versions.
ironically their later years were dominated by even poorer decision making on the dota allstars forums and had a nice finale with pendragon shutting down the forums and replacing it with a "PLAY OUR FUCKING GAME" splash for league
bonus points for when they stole hero designs and ability ideas from forum suggestions and pendragon acted like a passive-aggressive cunt when called out on it
icefraud doto has been the most popular doto as its much more well-balanced and designed than shit like fucking gambler, GOD, african-american terminator and 27 spell invoker
>>151600439
looks like their team hit towers and your team didn't
Stop giving the Frank spammer (You)s and report him
>>151600912
This faggot is the most /v/eddit thing anyone can post.
>>151600897
>Free Online Youtube Download
>Youtube to MP3 Download
Schau dir youtube-dl an und lass diese Drecksseiten weg, hoffentlich hast du keine Angst vor dem Umgang mit der cmd
>Calorie Counter
>Bodybuilding.com
Sehr gut Brudi
>INTJ-A
Auch ok
is EG vs DC going to start on time or is there like an hour of opening ceremony bullshit?
>>151600476
Mr. President
>TI ends
>roster changes start
>TI4 C9 squad band together again
>yfw
>>151601057
sing-chan is kill anon
>>151600960
>GOD, african-american terminator and 27 spell invoker
jesus what a time that was
>>151601057
adelaide?
>>151600960
>league popularity was immense because of its connection to dota, being its sequel and all, and then increased further
>no one plays dota 2
delusion is strong in this one
>>151601079
its funny that in hindsight, the summoner spell flash in league of lel was made because guinsoo gave every fucking hero blink
>>151601076
sing is not ded though
>>151601103
adelaide
5.84was literally the most definitive dota patch in history. Prove me wrongYou can't
>people actually voted on jugg
Reminder that you fags deserved the Void remodel
>>151596830
What does it mean?????
>>151599025
Die, you fucking Barneyfag.
>>151601174
>>151596830
probably not a cuck
>>151601057
avatarfag?
>>151601228
6.66
the patch where the DOTA 2 map was changed for the first time (after TI3)
the patch where economy was added to DOTA 2 and you couldn't throw bodies at towers and win game (after TI4?)
>>151596830
lel
>>151601285
adelaide
>>151601271
sounds like autism
>>151601135
>connection to dota
oh you mean when pendragon closed the forums and left a fucking link to league on the site?
or when they cut the downloads so nobody could play it
very few guinsoo doto people went to league because theyre both faggtos
>no one plays dota 2
when did i ever say that?
your bait is weak. league is popular because it panders to casuals and people with single-digit IQ
>>151600960
early iterations of dota was like angel arena, or any of the other similar maps
it was retardedly poorly balanced played by an entirely different group of people, because everyone knew it was completely unbalanced
Justify hiring vaginas on an event surrounding video games.
Professional advice: You cannot.
>>151601057
>>151601103
>>151601174
>>151601353
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
>>151601253
but dude lmao dual wielding katanas
>>151601357
You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>151600776
straight from "im 16 and my humor is fucking superior" pack
>20 million USD tournament
>no sticky
enjoy your ded game doturds lmao
HOLY SHIT
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/8xfqzk/arteezy_found_dead_in_his_hotel_room_suspected_suicide/
>>151601532
Fuck
>>151601532
>implying this wouldn't have been deleted by the jew mods within thirty seconds
nice try though
>People will hail this TI as some GOAT TI and conveniently forget how hard the top teams prior to tournament choked.
>>151601532
>going to r****t
>ever
reported
>>151601532
>Not a suicide pact with EE
Wasn't even worthy of clicking
>>151600952
don't hate it, just hate retards who need to post anime in non anime boards
Does someone have the image where people call somone retarded and the retarded faggot goes LOL I TROLLD U
>>151601583
They didn't choke, they were bad all along but good teams were sandbagging for TI
>>151601583
>og got eliminated by playing like shit
>liquid got eliminated by playing like shit
>secret was playing like garbage, lgd too at the same time
>tnc after destroying the choking og got destroyed
>phoenix never tried to improve on anything they did, doing things like run into medusa ulti under tier 2 and then die
>throws, throws, and more throws
>forfeit your buyback to purchase a rapier (guess the hero)
at least we have wings
>>151601661
Yeah sure thing brah. They made uncharasterics mistakes and retarded plays.
I don't take anything away from winnning teams, I think it's great to see DC (I like how they play) being a top dog but I'm severely disappointed in how teams played.
>>151601693
LGD at least has the excuse of Visa being denied from Sep.
Granted Aggressif worse carry than EE at this tournament probably.
>just got finished watching eg vs ehome game 1
what the flying fuck. All the dagon
>>151594130
guy, i need that item build
>>151599860
>pre short hair, mental breakdown slut Soe
That girl was waifu as fuck
>>151594445
so Fnatic is a european team ?
Nice to know
>>151601419
Then why was there so much noise around League of Legends' creation and early period and specifically over the part that its relation to "that famous DotA map"?
>>151601856
Soe is still pure
idk what u talking about
;_;
is there a reason you're (You) still fat?
PPD IS A FUCKING LEGEND
HE CAME FROM HON
BROUGHT TRALF AND ZAI WITH HIM
A LITERAL WHO IN THE DOTA SCENE
UNDER HIS WISE LEADERSHIP
EVEN TIER 3 TRASH PLAYERS LIKE FEAR THRIVED
HIS INGENIOUS DRAFTING TRANSFORMED EG
FROM A JOKE TEAM KNOWN FOR CHOKING
INTO THE MOST DOMINANT WESTERN TEAM OF 2016
WITH PPD'S DRAFTS AND SOLID SUPPORT PLAY
SVG'S COACHING
ZAI'S AND SUMAIL'S PLAYS
THEY ALMOST WON TI4 EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD TO PLAY WITH OBESE WEEABOO STANDIN MASON AND HASBEEN 3 HERO WONDER UNIVERSE
WHEN I THINK ABOUT NADOTA I THINK ABOUT PPD
HE CAME FROM THE GUTTER AND REACHED FOR THE STARS
A TRUE AMERICAN HERO
HE WILL CRUSH THE CHINK AND THE EUROAPE
PPD WILL TAKE WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY HIS
AND WIN TI THIS YEAR
>>151601841
Iron talon > Necro 3 > Bot > AC > BkB > Manta > Moonshard > anything but divine.
The game should not long enough for you to finish AC, but if it does you probably will need the BKB afterwards, the sixth item is really dependent on the heroes you're facing.
>>151601928
Pendragon ran a forum, Guinsoo copied other people's work
That's where the Allstars in Dota came from, Guinsoo didn't even know how to program in WC3.
He literally just copied and pasted shit.
Icefrog is the one that transformed Allstars from a unbalanced shit map to a good game
>>151601969
I lost around 70 pounds, so no, I'm not fat anymore
And I can only recommend losing weight to everyone who is obese
>>151602107
Icefrog didn't make DotA famous, Guinsoo did.
or at least the "becoming a famous custom map" coincided with Guinsoos "rule"
>>151601969
I'm not. I'm leaving humanity behind.
>>151602235
dota was famous before Guinsoo
it was already the most popular RoC map when Eul was making it
all guinsoo did was copy/paste it from Eul's work into Frozen Throne and Eul had stopped working on it
niggers
>literally a mugshot of some meth head
what the fuck happened to him?
>>151602391
Dota wasnt the best hero battle map until frozen throne though
>>151601969
I was never fat
>>151602459
i can count the polygons
nice use of the 20 million valve
>>151602235
The various Dota variants were popular maps before Guinsoo, Allstars became decent despite Guinsoo's dumb decisions.
Until the later 5.xx versions DA wasn't even one of the better maps and I doubt Guinsoo's input had much to do with it.
Don't people remember when Dota had 5 minute loading times because Guinsoo was an incompetent idiot?
That other people did all the hero design and actual programming?
>>151597712
Sumail built Medalion Armlett and other fighting items and lost.
>>151601971
That would be true if it weren't for THE CURRENT YEAR (even).
>>151597563
>>151597712
Manta radi octa is fine, then when you get all the farm you need, swap thoose shit items for fighting ones, ac, mkb, mjollnir if needed, abyssal, etc.. People are just dumb and stupid fucking sheep like with fucking manta linken medusa
>>151602459
my biggest problem with his model is that he suffers from the sharp edges of a conservative polygon count. He looks like a League character
>be 5 stack of 2k shitters
>queue up for captains mode to practice drafting for battle cup
>paired against 5k player three times in a row
JUST
I will win some day and I will bring glory to my motherland!!
Yes, it is seventeen losses in a row.
>>151602778
That's every third hero, you just don't consider them league because they were in wc3.
>>151602564
>Blizzard released a new patch to the editor system. Before when editing skills, you could send a storm bolt with 0sec stun, it would simply send the animation and not the stun. But with the new patch, a 0sec stun was infinate stun. Since Guinsoo used basic scripting for JASS, and not compiled, he would have to re-code it all. So instead he got some help (not icefrog, another editor's name that starts with 'N') and after a long failed effort, Guinsoo eventually stopped releasing new maps. And ran away from dota.
toplel
>>151602804
Jesus fucking Christ anon.
What are you even doing int those matches? There are some horrible feeds in those games
>>151602459
>>151596830
ebin
>all American grand final
>>151602859
>nother editor's name that starts with 'N')
I remember this guy. He was even in some TI pictures.
>>151602796
Nobody stacks with anything below 4k, so that's what you get.
>>151602943
Neichus?
>>151596830
Not sure if this is good or bad.
>>151602859
>>151602943
>all the people who even had a rudimentary knowledge of the world editor code back then are now working at valve and on dota 2
>guinsoo ran away like a baby and enforced his shitty balance choices on league
best part is im about 60% sure guinsoo isnt the lead hero designer for lel anymore, guess all those years of people laughing at him for calling heals "overpowered" and saying that you shouldnt die if caught overextended got to him
>>151603019
Oh yeah that it.
>>151602853
Nah, I find that every third hero just suffers from looking like a blocky mess with pixelated textures. At least Valve is trying to make those heroes look like their WC3 counterparts
This Monkey King has that odd polygon count that just looks like that cartoonish LoL-like hero, especially noticeable with the brows, the hair and the crown.
>control + f
>'le'
>1 of 406
wow, holy shit
this place has really fallen
fucking reddit
>>151602796
Well it is not better in to be 4k. We even que only for AP and get stomped by 5k stacks every third game and lose 5 mmr. It it's sad how much people play solo compared to 5v5 despite this being a team game.
>>151603073
haha
>>151602859
Yeah, he was just some kid that compiled a meta mod that became incredibly successful.
I'd say that his and Pendragons main achievements were giving other people a platform to improve Dota by hosting D-A.com and having TDA inhouses as a balancing platform.
>>151603039
>Healing can't be overpowered.
Well uhh
>>151601959
i just want to cuddle with soe
>valve starts copying LoL's existing champ
dotards will defend this
>>151603125
I did my small part in balancing dota by rushing aegis rapier jugg in every TDA inhouse that I ever played.
>>151603052
I dunno man, but his face looks pretty cartoonish in a bad way. Reminds me of some dumb Disney/Pixar character that makes wacky faces.
Hello, I am oracle, I will tell you how the day goes
>amerifats root for EG
>DC whoops EG:s ass
>ppd is going to be salty
>amerifats start to tell us how DC is NA
>>151603149
ayyy
too bad he still lost
>>151603149
And the rest.
Did anyone make any new ones?
>>151603170
>shitposter posts terrible bait
Retards will defend this
>>151596830
>>151603237
it went to shit after that "tank" meta
rip
>>151603089
No point to play with a team, you don't win any solo MMR (the only one that matters) and you don't win any money either, since these aren't lans.
>>151603242
So you finally admit valves incompetence and just blatantly copying champs?
>it's another "can't someone else buy dust for the roaming invis hero"
>"There was nothing we could have done, we were outclassed" Edition
>>151603157
>>151601959
>wanting used goods
Anons, please
>>151603237
there were a couple of 6.87 ones made but most of them were shit
>>151603301
>>151603315
Yeah that tank picture was really forced.
>>151602804
Damn, that's rough. I had an over 20 loss streak myself but that was when I first started playing. Having what you have at very high skill must be depressing.
Hello amigos,
I am Peruvian. Why is there no good Peruvian teams? The best team is Elite Wolves but they fixed matches and are now banned. When will Peru win TI ?
>>151603210
https://youtu.be/OFQQALduhzA
>>151603149
Uhh, still waiting for reasons why healers aren't toxic in team-based pvp gamesi fucking hate guinsoo and pendragon. faggots both of them
Fuck magic
>>151603309
dont call soe "used goods"!
i wont stand it
>>151594985
>22
isn't he 26
>>151603307
If you want to git gud as a team matchmaking works pretty well, once your shitstack can win against random 5ks you're ready for amateur tier 3 leagues.
>SHADOW DEMON WINRATE + PICK RATE
AYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYY
BUT SHADOW DEMON LE SHIT
MUST GIVE LE OVERPOWERING BUFFS SO PROBABS PICK HIM
>>151594840
Isn't the great thing about e-sports is that teams can be international? Something that overcomes borders and countries.
I miss mr. chill toad Q&A guys ;_;
>>151603461
Wait, Morello is Guinsoo?
I thought they only hired him as a marketing move, did he actually do design for LoL?
>>151603510
>26% winrate on alch
>>151603542
what a qt
would convert her to the one true faith. (Orthodoxy)
>>151598821
What did he mean by this?
>>151603510
I wonder how many games had shadow demon + kunkka picked together
pros seemed to catch wind of disruption + torrent boat and ran wild with it.
>>151603210
That's pretty gud, but can you tell us what happens next? Let me help you.
>it's the current year (even)
>DC loses against Wings
>people laugh at NA
>NA pretend they don't care and say they placed higher than EU
>EU reminds them of the other lans and that DC is EU
>honeypots, NA qualifiers
>implying
>implying
>>151603628
based
>>151603472
>have an entire mental and attitude breakdown because one boy used you and dumped you
>get tattoos and cut hair after, when you were going for the homely girl look
I want her to be waifu material, i genuinely do....but you know she's on a quest to find validation from the shaft of every cock in her vacinity
When's the final start boys
>>151603592
turns out im retarded and tired
no theyre different people. guinsoo said this, but morello is/was a retard
neither do balancing on lel anymore because the community shit on them for stuff like thisthey kept the red buff slow after this post got 1k downvotes
Pls valve give compendium points discount for the last day
>>151603628
>>151603667
Uhm, that's not twelver Shia
What is /d2g/ opinion on Alliance? Did they just win a TI out of luck or they're skilled?
>>151596241
secret is just too trash to even play with DC
its disrespectful
>Tired after a long day of work on a Friday
>Decide to just chill and get an early night instead of playing DOTA because I don't want to drag down any teams with me being tired
>Wake up nice and early the next morning and queue
>First game I get a omniknight jungle and a weaver hijacks my midlane and just autoattacks with geminate, pretty fucking difficult to compete for lasthitting with a max geminate weaver
>Lose game within 18m
>we still had the land courier i was forced to buy 5m in
>absoleutely zero wards
>omni has literally zero items despite afk farming jungle the entire time with talon
yeah okay can we just drop the politically correct thing and have a few holocausts for the next few years? these guys aren't human.
>>151603669
what happened to soe anon? is she still being banged by maelk?
>>151603670
5 hours
>>151603721
last time yuro will win a TI
>>151603712
You have to go back, Ali
>>151603672
>>151603669
broken waifus are repairable waifus
Soe is to me a perfect girl, im biased af because ive followed her for years now
im genuinely in love with her
>>151595129
Just play with 4 friends.
>>151603725
If you play in the morning you're better off switching to some server in another TZ to avoid little kids skipping school and people queuing for a game 30 minutes before they have to leave the house
>>151603727
>homely euro girl that played vidya
>guy hangs out with and dates her
>dumps her hard
>other WoW/DoTA players date her
>repeat
>she think's she's just a cock holster at this point
>better make daddy happy, does normally avoidable shit like brash decisions (hair cut and tattoos)
>now just kinda avoids dating but supposedly sluts it up
or, TL:DR - American girl during high school.avi
>>151603853
>wanting a girl with a taste this shit
>>151603920
I know what you're saying man but it's the weekend. You expect shitters to be around at any time but you at least hope you'll get some fucking adults too. not the case.
>>151603943
thanks senpai, so not pure
did we ever get a sun wukong teaser before today?
>>151594130
meepo does this twice as well
>>151603667
just look at this badass cross. more like a battle axe. perfect weapon to behead muslim scum.
>>151603917
>Climb your solo mmr by playing in party queue
epic
>>151604040
6.79 "quest" in dota1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABUVuNSnD0&feature=youtu.be
Man I hate-love Valve for always fucking with us with no patch/no communication/nothing for months then suddenly give us something we dont expect.
Maybe IF was right when he decided to go with Gaben.
>>151604070
what about a video teaser after the banna bug?
>>151603980
>>151603943
s-shut up
cant hear u
Soe is still perfect
Soe is still pure
Soe is not a cock holster
CANT HEAR U
Make a team with ONLY ameriturd players /d2g/, and tell me they can win a simple honeypot lan.
I don't even care if you use muslims in your team.
I'm waiting.
>>151604040
Phoenix's reveal portrait has him under the beak
>>151603920
>>151603993
What about 3 AM nighttime? I've played some games at these hours and they were complete shit like guaranteed 4 farm reliant cores in all 3 lanes and 1 in the jungle. But how do you explain this?
Lets get this party started, brats
>>151604118
>Maybe IF was right when he decided to go with Gaben.
YOU DON'T GET IT
People don't choose me, I choose people
>>151604224
PRESIDENT OF VALVE
>>151604224
shut the fuck up fatsoplease keep taking care of Dota my god
>>151603721
the very definition of a patch team
>>151604172
>>151603920
>tfw used to be the chillest kid you could hope to meet online
>always picked support roles
>always went for the flag and helped my team mates in team games
>never freaked out
>minimal cringe, mostly because i was fucking 10, expect some.
why can't more kids be normal, fuck
>>151604224
>Lord Gaben will never carry you into the main event stage and tell you to pay him 10 dollars for hats
WHY LIVE?
>>151593784
i thought it was going to be jug arcana desu.
>people who grind up their party mmr
is the punishment for being 1k that you get to play people with 3k solo and 1k party?
>>151594445
>Total earnings: $97,304.8
>yfw it shoots up ninety fold after this TI
>>151604118
Valve's doing some bad things like not forcing cosmetic rules (similar colors+silhouette+lore fitting). It's become so annoying to see a massive particle storm and performance drops that I play with everything on low settings.
It's like a poor man's no hat mode.
And really, Pitlord has had files for 2 years, he should've been released way earlier..
>>151604172
The later the night the more tilted players on loss streaks that want that one win, people who are decent but drunk/stoned/tired
The casuals start playing around 7:00, best games for me are between 20:00 and 5:00
>>151593943
Because the moba market is huge in china and the monkey king legend/story comes from china. Thats the whole reason why wow had an expansion centred around pandas and martial arts, because they knew that Chinese would go crazy over it.
>>151604308
>Io arcana ends up being a different colored particle effect
>>151604362
If you werent so stupid, you could easily update no hats mode to work again
has someone made the 2016 edition of pod-chan?
>>151604415
It's going to be the worst arcana ever.
>>151604170
>teasing a hero 2 years before release
absolute mad man
>>151604362
I cant wait for the aura effect when TI 7 comes =v=
>>151604309
>get duo stack of complete shitters with party mmr of 3/4k
>they both double random into nightstalker AM safelane
>have zero clue how to play their heroes
>carry their ass as axe with 10/10 initiations, getting multiple taunts in each fight
>win the game with 0 t4s and 0 racks left
>5 low priority games because they reported me for not doing dumb shit with them
>check games where they're not playing with eachother
>not even normal skill
x D
Why did Saksa shave off his beard, he looked way better with it
As does every male who is capable of growing a beard
Low-test betas need not apply
>>151604431
What do you think her attitude is like? I think she'd be a bit reserved, but cutesy when she wants to. Definite waifu tier
>>151604396
Casuals start playing around 7 in the morning??
>be NA region
>be so shit you have to buy players from other regions with real talent
>claim that winning stuff with foreign talent was your doing
heh, burgers
>someone insults you in game
>>151603980
Her nerdcave is glorious.
do you think pod-chan "relieves" the stress out of doters in the booth?
>>151604568
If EG beats DC I will quit dota and /d2g/
/d2g/ who do you want to cast the finals and why is itLD + Maut
>>151604620
>She wont be in many DoTA events anymore
Fuck Blizzard for buying her out, this is almost as bad as Basshunter playing for LoL
>>151604620
i've been to her nerdcave many times, it's nothing special
>>151604682
Blitz/Cap, but Blitz said he was done casting, both for the event and in general.
It's probably Tobi and someone.
>>151604530
Children and young teens, morning and early afternoon Dota is just awful. Nolifers are still asleep and everyone else is at work or college.
Most people that play a lot of games each day do so from late afternoon to late night.
>>151604682
LD+Tobi for grand finals
>>151604715
You and half the DoTA pro roster
>>151604657
Somebody invite this guy over here.
>>151604682
Cap+Blitz is the best duo combination.
>>151604736
Wait what.
Well that sucks.
I don't mind Toby if he isn't sperging but he so often does.
>>151604682
Anne and Lumi
>>151604669
Who cares, china will win this anyway because of the year (even).
>>151604657
lmao
>>151604795
He tweeted it after his last cast yesterday.
>>151604682
Purge and Anne, they can put each other to sleep with their boring as fuck voices/play-by-plays and force awkward convo to its maximum power
Sheever, anne, and maut for threesome casting in the LB final and the grand final
>>151604792
>implying you could handle him
Please no LD casts
I can't stand them
His fucking fake convos between players are sof ucking bad
>>151604657
We need this guy in /d2g/
>>151604868
triggered
i feel like they are just going to fuck pl and make him monkey king
see old pl
>jungle lc gets 2 kills in the early game then farms
>start to lose
>lose 6 towers
>lc still farms
>they attack our rax
>lc declares the game lost
>afks in base and tells me im a terrible player and insults my gpm
wtf
>>151604772
Alright gotcha, thanks.
>>151604657
>u have 1 life u can die and i cant cuz i always home
really makes you think
>>151604518
untrimmed messy facial hair is the easiest way of spotting a nu-male faggot
>>151604948
I miss 4.2
I carried so many games with that hero.
I don't even know why, but I think it was/is my highest winrate hard carry with best GPMs and KDAs.
>>151604948
Phantom Lancer is currently the only core in the game that can come close to converting as much gold into no game impact as tinker with both bad pushing and bad damage.
Ember is the upstart but he at least does damage, even if he can't push and loses anywy.
>>151605035
Ember is fine hero, stop with the hyperboles and shitty memes.
>>151604657
I wanna try those mental orgasms.
>>151605035
i fucking hate how this is so true fuck
hes my most played icefrog buff him you fucking fraud
i think hes better played as mid hero
>>151605031
Same, been destroying shit with him since wc3, he was basically good antimage and good spectre in one, with that magic resist and radiance, diffusial illusion abuse.
I kinda miss them
>>151605178
>Radi
>on 4.2
>not three orb build
doing it wrong
>>151605189
Did Chuan eat himself? where did he go?
>>151605103
A GAME TO LOSE
>>151605240
He's still playing in some chink team that was on TI
>>151605240
Newbee
>>151605215
>never had his courier destroyed and relic denied only to farm another one in record time and win the game
Don't reply to me ever again.
If DotA stayed with the original format of Scorge and Sentinal hero pools, which would be the most OP in the current patch /d2g/?
>>151602487
to much solo que