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>>151540256

First for Aboleth traps.

You were THIS close to forcing me to stale in all of my games. At least post a link in the old thread, faggot.

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>>151540256
>it's an "OP fails at copypasting" thread

>>151542812→ → →→ → →→ → →

>>151542468
want me to hold your hand, too?

>>151544732
No, just fondle my balls.

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>>151542812
my baaad.

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>When you realize you made a CRITICAL mistake during pretender design

RIP my everything

>>151544806
that costs extra

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>>151540256
>Date/Time in OP
>3 arrows

10/10 OP

blood magic seems kind of underwhelming. what can you do with blood?

>>151544974
Protip: always name your pretender something like "MAPantest12" or really anything to indicate your own lack of confidence in its quality of design.

This doesn't work if you're taking an N9E4 Irminsul.

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>>151545306
Fucking everything.

>>151545404
>not naming your pretender Ctrl + ~ + Enter to prevent people from looking up your titles.
I will delete this secret information in 5 minutes. Use it at your own risk.

>>151545821
>>>151545404 (You)
>>not naming your pretender Ctrl + ~ + Enter to prevent people from looking up your titles.
>I will delete this secret information in 5 minutes. Use it at your own risk.

>>151546056
Fool! Delete this or Illuminati will get you!

>>151545306
Blood Magic is all about the rituals. Its combat magic is powerful as well, but often a bit awkward to use and easily countered (any battlefield spell that kills your blood slaves makes blood magic almost useless). But it has great globals that can fuck over your enemies, it has very useful summons, and most blood nations have great national spells as well.

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hol up

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>>151548398

>>151548398
>Dominions
>Ork

No.

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what did he mean by this?

>>151549523
Titan of Heaven a shit.

I seen that indie nigga slay entire armies.

>>151550498
Mere Spring Hawks are nasty because they'll fly up to you turn 1 and do their lightning shot

>>151549523
>I didn't scout
>I didn't put lightning resistance on my thugs
>I got overconfident

Pick any two.

>>151549523
I've cleared that throne before, with 1 indy commander and a lightning rod.
Spring hawks dived in, cock blocked everything else, and my 'army' was so shit the Titan of Heaven refused to spend gems. Then everything went to auto-route and flew away.

>>151552296
So? Who won?

>>151551484
>>I didn't put lightning resistance on my thugs
Really, it's just this one.
Scouting thrones is largely needless.

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>>151540256
>/Domg/

>>151552296
Keep my island chill for me my memey friend.
So, if my mysterious friend would like to share his graphs, I shall post mine as well.
Also, RIP Helheim.

Also, Agartha, can we talk about things. Life in general, mind blaster alliance.

I heard it went really well for the last Agartha.

>>151554806
>>151551484
>>151550707

the "thug" had no items at all and ofc the spring hawks and titan are visible just by neighbouring the throne.

>>151556192
He lost even more last turn. Did you see it, or should I go reload the save?

What is the source of Fikon2.al
i.e the best battle theme in dominions?

I already know who did the music for the game, no luck.

http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/ar/t2093.htm

Can anyone post a link for leakinglandsv3, for MemeFastStaleHard please?

I searched desura forums but they only have v2....

sorry am noob

>>151545306
Its not about being big and bad all the time, its also about economy and losing little while more damage.

So if the admins could postpone the game till Tuesday that would be great.

>>151556770
I got you, bud. Download it off the admin page.

http://www.llamaserver.net/admin.cgi?game=MemeFastStaleHard

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>>151558478
>http://www.llamaserver.net/admin.cgi?game=MemeFastStaleHard

ty senpai

>>151557413
You are literally better off asking llamabeast for postponing than the der gotter admin. He'll respond faster.

>>151557413

I already said I'd do it last thread.

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Ready to negotiate, Atlantis?

>>151564927
I'd give her a pearl necklace if you know what I mean.

>>151565195
jizz in her gills?

>>151564927
My personal negotiation was already stated in the thread earlier.
It's time for them to become LA Atlantis, if ya know what I mean.

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>>151566731
Still need him to write it even if it's just more vitriol.

>>151569839
Did he just assume that his Living Pillars were completely invincible or what?

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>>151570308
To be 100% fair, they kind of were until this battle showed that there basic troops were easy pickings for Triton Riders.

>>151571548
>All those shark knights

>>151544974
sending in the wrong pretender

>>151572842
How many sneks?

>>151572842
D-did someone actually go awake tetol? absolute madman.

Does Tetol beat snek?

>>151573385
in a straight up fight? depends on who has the dom advantage really.

>>151573385
>>151574578
>it depends

Ideally he'll want to find someone with low dom and dormant pretender, if he can catch them before much expansion he could probably just asshole batman on the cap killing commanders turn by turn till domkill

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>tfw ded

>>151573385

I'm fresh of the scrub boat, You can tell the pretender by the stats screen pretender tab right?

I know thats how you ID the bless too, by the descriptions, but I didn't know you could tell the exact chassis of the god.

Anyone know if MA Ulm's Halt Heretic/Bane of Heresy works on Pretenders or Disciples?

What Chimori is doing is already known for everyone I hope, but my scouts have gotten a bit further and while I haven't seen any battles, it looks like Tashna is already stirring up shit. They certainly have the sacreds to do it. Can anyone confirm the diplomatic position Tashna is in right now?

>>151581074
Where is the bat capital

>>151578807
>but I didn't know you could tell the exact chassis of the god.
You can't, but you can make a good guess from the paths and the nation.

Earth magic, no other types of magic, not high dom, on a nation with poor expansion = probably earth snake.

>>151581573
Are you in chat?

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Berytos!

Why don't more people post battle screens? We get results of the big battles at least but does anybody else like to see armies fighting? They make for great bumping material if nothing else.

>>151583883
Should I assume direct control of admin privs so we can delay the turns for TNN? And set Niefel AI while at it.
Or just let TNN die to the chainstale?

>>151585479
Who are you? If you're not a faggot like the current admin, then go for it.

>>151585479
I'd also like to know who you are.

But yes, definitely if you can delay for TNN do it. Having players who are still in the game get chainstaled is no good for anyone.

Has the actual admin posted here since the game started?

>>151585838
I don't think so.

I think admin is playing Ulm, as he didn't talk to me at all during our war.

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>>151585934
>having an Ulm player as admin

>>151581074

>it looks like Tashna is already stirring up shit

I'm not stirring anything up. I agreed to a non-aggression pact with Ceasidh to fight the bats, which I still intend to do. I never made any sort of agreement with Ninai and he did take some of my land which I wanted back and took back this turn (with a province extra as payment for the trouble he caused me).

Caesidh however has already broken the pact by attacking me in a capring province the turn after we agreed to it. I assumed he'd do as much, because not only is he playing a backstabbing nation, the player is a backstabber by nature.

>>151585934
My current assumption was the admin was Machaka desu. I could be wrong though. I think he posted something involving the Mictlan/Xibalba struggle, which seems to point to that.
As for me, I'm just your friendly neighborhood squid. And while it might be in my personal best interest to let TNN stale out so I can grab Scotland on the back end, I'd rather not let the game go that way.
If Der Gotter Admin responds before llamabeast does, it's all cool at any rate.

>>151581074

Also, if you're implying I started a war with these two, then you're wrong. They attacked me without warning together, clearly conspiring to kill me ASAP. I've been fighting a defensive war this whole time against the two. I've been more than decent to my other neighbors, just ask Khaer for instance.

>>151586205
>I agreed to a non-aggression pact with Ceasidh to fight the bats, which I still intend to do
Do you even border them?

>>151585838
>>151585934
I did see him post at least once, or maybe it was someone pretending to be him, it was a couple of days ago. But yeah it doesn't seem like he browses the thread frequently.

>>151587082

I have flying units, I have a way to get up there where he is.

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>>151587082
>>151587442
>Let's trade bats for birds

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I have obtained direct control of admin powers, in much the same I way I obtained direct control over these poor deep ones.
Postponement will be done. Niefel will be set AI (or if I can find a madman with a like for lost causes, subbed).

>>151591352
>buying merrow PD

>>151591352
Those are cool looking armies. How did it go?

>>151591479
Ha, you think I bought Merrow PD. I'm just crazy enough to buy the actual Merrows.

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>>151591352
>(or if I can find a madman with a like for lost causes, subbed).
There was absolutely nothing to salvage, sadly.
At this point AI recruiting retard armies in all directions is probably as good as player.

>>151590490

Birds are objectively less of a threat and you know it. Also, my birds are a perfect counter to bats.

>>151552296
What map is this? It's beautiful.

>>151593624
Archaea

>>151593483
>Birds are objectively less of a threat and you know it
Only slightly. Your units are -way- more OP than his and you have almost full diversity through national summons, apart from Blood.

If you had Blood access you would be higher on the removal list than bats are. As it is, you're just a close second.

Why is switching from sp only to multi so scary?

>>151597434
Probably because you're a scrub.

But don't worry, most people here are, even those with plenty of mp experience.

>>151597434
playing by emails sounds cumbersome

>>151597638
It is.

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>>151597638
Use the PBEM Manager.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-pbem-manager-new-stuff.104015/

>>151597434
>play against a guy with 200 hours on steam
>he doesn't know what communions are
You'll be fine

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so i wanna try blood for the first time

im just a scrub whose strongest tactic is beelining for blade wind/magma eruption as ma ulm

that's my only tactic.

what race should i try out for this experiment?
abysia?

when should i get into blood?
right away?
after a few months?
it depends?

>>151597726
I've actually tried that before but gave up on trying to make it work with my emails.

I thought did send my turn but apparent I didn't.

I will be able to send in my turn at the latest in 10 hours.

>>151597845
That's like two weeks of singleplayer. He didn't play enough.

>>151598278
>that arm

>>151599127
She's a 60 year old drug addict, what do you want.

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>>151598278
it depends

The premier blood nations with cost-effective hunters, good blood crosspaths and (besides LA Abysia) national blood summons are EA/LA Mictlan, Lanka, EA/LA Xibalba, LA Ulm and LA Abysia.

As for research priorities, you most definitely need to go Const. 4 for Sanguine Dowsing Rod before you start doing the whole blood hunting thing in earnest (due to the opportunity cost involved, you'd rather use as cheap mages as possible so B1s like Mictlan Priests often make the bulk of your blood hunting force, and Sanguine Dousing Rod increases their chance of finding slaves from 50% to 90% - prior to that you should of course use bigger mages because they find slaves more reliably).

Depending on the in-game situation, you likely want to reach some early combat research targets first because blood magic is top-heavy both in terms of combat spells (some early blood spells like Summon Imps and Agony are workable but not great, the actually good blood combat spells like Harm, Rush of Strength and Leech are much deeper) and summons, which will be the target of the bulk of your slave income. For example, Mictlan might want to reach Alt. 5 for stuff like Wooden Warriors first before going deep into blood but that kind of stuff depends entirely on who you are fighting and how urgently you need something that helps you in combat right now.

Ultimately, you should play what you find interesting, but I think EA Mictlan is the best choice if you want a good overview of blood because Jaguar Warriors should be able to get you to a good position where you can really start focusing on blood (while synergizing with bless you likely want to have for your national blood summon, Ozelotl) and because Mictlan has the best native blood crosspath options (including paths required for summoning Arch and Ice Devils).

>>151599968
Oh, I forgot LA Marignon. As a nation they're not great but if you look at capacity at blood alone, they're also quite respectable with 65g B1F1 Diabolists and Fallen Angel national summons.

>>151586205
I agreed to stop fighting if you could show me that you were close enough to attack bats, even with flying.

You didn't, so...

Are tradings binding in DG?

Can I be sure I'll get my items if I pay?

Or will I get memed since it's a meme game?

>>151600228
In a game with anons how do you suppose we could enforce binding trade agreements?

>>151598278
>what race should i try out for this experiment? abysia?
Only if it's LA Abysia. EA and MA have poor blood because it's all cap-only.

Any blood nation would be alright to learn with, but if you really need a suggestion EA Mictlan is the most straightforward blood nation (simple mages). Just remember to check what dying dominion does before playing them so you don't die like Cruxador.

>when should i get into blood? right away? after a few months? it depends?
It depends, but you will almost always want to get some research done before you start hunting for blood slaves. If you start hunting immediately you'll have nothing to do with the slaves you collect and will be unnecessarily harming your income and research.

>>151600381
If someone breaks one you sub/AI them.

>>151600228
We don't spell out the house rules of the game like communities like Dom4mods do, but the unwritten rules has it that trades are binding. Everyone has honoured trade agreements in games I've been thus far.

>>151600228
As far as I know a game being a meme game makes no difference and trades are always binding.

>>151600179

You didn't even give me a chance, you deceitful fuck. You immediately continued attacking without giving it even a turn of ceasefire that you agreed to. Kind of hard to show you anything when you don't care to even look. Hell, knowing your faggot ass, you would've probably attacked me even harder had I immediately moved all my units to attack the bats.

>>151601312
There was the entire steam discussion about the bats, it was pretty clear I meant tell me via province numbers in there how you'd be able to attack the bats.

The ceasefire was conditional, you didn't show me or others that you actually could reach the bats, so there was no ceasefire.

>>151599968
>>151600409

thanks m8s

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Reminder that this is more or less what bats own, as pieced together from various players, with exception of the blue star which is Amore's capital.

Okay, because Tashna doesn't believe me, let's have it written out here.
If he can prove he can attack bats from his territory, I will give him back his capcircle and desist from attacking him.
However >>151602389 implies that unless Tashna has a realy weird southern border, he can't.

>>151602389
I-isn't that close to a throne victory? How much % to win are we playing on?

>>151578807
Asshole Batman is a name for the Aztec assassin pretender, It's only real use in memegames is as an awake flying stealth assassin pretender that finds a cap to sit on by turn 3.

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>>151602473

You really want to continue playing this game? Alright, I'll humor you. Here was my plan of attack after dealing with a few backyard problems and taking back my capring. I. would be my base of attack into II. which would become my beach head that would eventually have lead into III. which is the bats cap.

But all of that is in the shitter now of course. I'm not sending out my forces, when you wouldn't even give it a turn after agreeing to a ceasefire.

>>151602994
1. Isn't in your territory.

>>151603065

It's indie territory. I'm sure nobody would mind if I had used it as a stepping stone into bat territory.

>>151602994
You can fly 4 provinces?

>>151603147
>he didn't buy the Extended Range DLC

>>151603147

I would've had to go through a couple of provinces that were my provinces originally but were taken to get to II. But isn't that the whole point of cooperating to remove bats? Or do bats not matter to you all the much that you wouldn't want to lose a provinces for a single turn to deal with them? Clearly I was mistaken about this whole bat-removal business you were all crying hysterically about.

>>151603196
>Not buying the Xibablba + Ragha DLC bundle
It's like you want to lose

>>151603360
That's through the territory of someone whom hasn't to my knowledge joined into the anti-bat league

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>>151602629

>>151603516

And I would've compensated him for crossing into his territory for the two turns I would've been there before moving into bat territory. Hell, with him bordering the bats, I'm sure he wouldn't mind someone fighting them as long as it kept them out of his land.

>>151603110
>>151603360
>>151603736
Your story just keeps getting less likely.

>>151603897

My "story"? Explain to me why I would care about proving anything to anyone when someone goes and conspires with another player to destroy me without warning or reason, then agrees to a ceasefire to cooperate against bigger threat but immediately breaks that ceasefire the very next turn. I have nothing at all to prove. I've said all I need to, and that is the war between me and Ceasidhe continues just like he wanted it to. If the bats swallow the world in the meantime, then so be it.

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>>151604119
>please ignore my incredible magic versatility and invincible doubleblessed sacreds, I will surely help you fight the scary bats which I can't even reach, and not simply buy myself some time to hit my research goals and become literally untoppable

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Can't let you do that star spawn.

How do you want to handle this? How bad do you want that province?

Though if I recall correctly you can't get resources from land if the fort is UW right?

>>151591510
Terribly. Low MR means that my men were absolutely melted by mindblasters and enslave mind.

But nonetheless, fuck y'all, Atlantis for life. I'll bounce back from this.

Hopefully. It's somewhat difficult to determine how to go about dealing with the lack of MR on my troops, especially given that I don't have enough earth mages to spam Iron Will, and not enough astral mages to get Antimagic up.

Ah well. I'll be sure to drag a few squids down to the abyss with me.

>>151606821
Use the best summon in the game okay, not really, flame jellies

>>151606960
>Flame Jellies against mind blast and enslave mind spam
Yes, anon, that's a great advice. Really useful. I'm sure mindless jellies will be great help at dealing with mind-targeting spells.

>>151608148
Just use them because they're cool

>>151608148
I mean, Flame Jellys will not be targeted by the spells that are wrecking his units, so that is actually a good thing. If a good chunk of his army is flame jellys, and then a solid number of chaff he can recruit that flame jellys shit on, all he would have to do is field Higher MR commanders and buy some antimagic amulets for his more important ones. If the Flame Jellys and their commanders don't get fucked by the spam, and you made sure flame jellys can hard counter the spell soaking chaff you brought... Just hope flame jellys can deal with his armies?

>>151610904
Flame Jellies are great against the non-mindblasting part of R'lyeh's armies since it's mostly chaff they can burn through rather effectively. As long as the commanders don't get nuked (bring your own chaff to distract the mindblasters!), they're a good unit to use vs R'lyeh.

Banefire-centred nation when?

>>151611467
LA C'Tis. MA Machaka. EA Yomi.

>>151611467
LA Vietnam?

>>151611467
LA C'tis.

>>151611573
>>151611604
>>151611616
Didn't mean just easy access to banefire, I meant properly focused on it as a national theme. I fucking love the stuff.

>>151612041
>>151611604

>>151612041
LA C'Tis. I share your appreciation for Banefire, it's quite lovely stuff.

>>151612041
Well, if you want something with banefire elementals as national summons and national banefire spells then there is none, but as others said LA C'Tis is the closest you get.

are you here Lemuria?

>>151612523
There is the Black Ulm mod.

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>>151604119
>Explain to me why I would care about proving anything to anyone when someone goes and conspires with another player to destroy me without warning or reason
>conspires with another player to destroy me without warning or reason
>without warning or reason
>reason

IT'S A WARGAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Yo Maverni can you make it to the steam chat in the next 2 hours? We keep missing each other.

So, if the firey skeletons and Niani think this counts as enough of a way to fight bats, ceasefire it is.

Postponed hosting by 12h due to request.

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Wew lads rate my first province

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WEW

>>151617257
pretty good if you know what a turbocommunion is.unrecruitable outside of sitesearching if you don't plan to use them that way.

>>151617257
Turan cav as well?

>>151618576
Eyup

>>151615326
You can ignore the request.

>>151618804
That's not Chimori, but I also didn't ask for the request in the first place.

>>151618804
>>151619267
It was requested by Gondria.

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Out of everything that's happened in this game, I think this little bit at the very end is what makes me the happiest.

Also, Ghosts, we doing this or what? You ready? I mean I could use one last turn to set my shit set up a little better, but if you're good to go I could move everything into Lands End and we can watch llamaserver die together and finally end our suffering. Also, don't mind the Utterdark, just trying to set a better mood for a final apocalyptic battle.

>>151602389
My favorite thing about this map is that the way it's wrong tells me who's actually sharing intel.

>didnt plan on going blood in memefast
>first province i run into is a goetic cult

why do you tempt me

>>151619776
>who's actually sharing intel.

Not exactly a closely guarded secret, we were what, 7 people in steam group chat discussing bat removal yesterday?

>>151619776
Soon you favorite thing will be going AI.

>>151620127
savage

Which LA nation should I play on a small map? Only ban is Lemuria.

>>151619776
>I-I swear guys I don't have that much the map is wrong!

>>151620879
bats if it's not summod.
Ragha and Abysia should do well too.

>>151621282
I've never played any LA nations. It's not Summod. Played EA Nief and MA Sceleria/Agartha. Which of your suggestions do you think would be easiest for me to grasp?

this can be casted UW, but does it perform well or is Fire typed damaged automatically decreased UW?

>>151619742
>just trying to set a better mood for a final apocalyptic battle
>not casting The Looming Hell

It's about the only thing the spell is good for.

>>151621363
I've never played as a blood nation, and LA Xibalba and Abysia both seem focused on it. Maybe Ragha?

>>151623771
Play C'tis (death, fire, BANEFIRE) or Midgard (elves) then.

>>151623771
Be Heat 3 Ragha and get a heavy bless for your griffins. You'll blitz the shit out of everything on a small map.

>>151626345
That is what I was considering. N9E4 or something for a bless, or should I go even MORE crazy?

>>151626469
N9W9E4

can i have a 24h extension? Saturday night normalfag stuff is habbening.

>>151627459
What pretender and scales would I use to even do that? Sorry for being new!

>>151628119
I was mostly just throwing that out there, but looking at the ragha pretender list I see that they don't have a cheap way to get N9W9E4. Maybe a W9E9 imprisoned annunaki of sweet waters with a small amount of order and production. There's probably a better way/bless to do it since Zhayedans are pretty nasty even with just one bless.

>>151605331
I don't care for the province but a little gold or gems wouldn't go amiss.

>>151630549
>order

i don't know anon, when you have to get a lot of points for bless and also want produciton there might be an argument for going luck2-3 turmoil3 rather than running order and having to take high misfortune.

>>151631171
I'm suggesting it because it's a small map and zhayedans are very expensive, even if you are probably going to be more limited by resources for the first few turns.

>>151612041
LA C'tis has mages' whose sole purpose is expressly written as lighting banefire candles. They're banefire centric as fuck. Only issue is C'tis across all ages for some reason gets fucking shafted on nation rituals and spells, despite having incredibly rich the lore the only national stuff they get is a couple summons poached from fucking mictlan.

>>151628058

Unfortunately I too am away for the weekend and didnt bring with me the password file and the previous admin used some crazy randomly generated passwords. Long story short very unlikely unless I manage to contact him in time and ask for the password again.

>>151583883

I can't take screenshots in Dom4 for some reason. None of the F keys do it, print screen doesn't do it. I would take more screenshots if I could. But I did enjoy the screenshots you took when I was fighting you in RotP. So don't be discouraged. At the very least, I like seeing battle screens.

In regards to RotP: I really, really hope Caelum was AI'd by the admin. I will be pissed if it turns out he staled for 5 turns and requested a week and a half break just to go AI.

>>151633542
I have the same problem. A roundabout way that works for me is to Alt-Tab out of the game, then go back in and hit printscreen. For some reason it normally doesn't work, but If I tab in and out first it does.

>>151633542
Every time I take a screenshot with print-screen it's delayed. Like I'd get print-screened stuff from some time ago.
So I have to open whatever I want to screen, stare at it for a good 30 seconds and then hit printscreen like a madman several times to get the current frame.

>>151633542
>>151633759
>>151634338
Just play thought Steam and use the screenshot function of the Steam overlay.

>>151633542
>I can't take screenshots in Dom4 for some reason

Try tabbing out then tabbing in, print screening and then pasting into paint and saving. How I have to do it.

>>151636336
I do that too, but for some reason when i use printscreen in dom4 it lags 10 seconds behind from what's actually happening in the game.

>>151619742
I'm ready for it. Musical Tarts could have been better, but I'm never gonna get all 12 of them to work at once anyways.
Utterdark just saves us that awkward moment where both of us cast Darkness. My shit is patrolling the province.
I will be claiming the throne on the same turn as the battle, on turn 142.

Thank you Ys, you are doing the lords work.

t. Me

>>151641017
Please both of you upload your .trn files after it's all over.

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Live!

So, having S mages with your mages is a good way to keep safe from Mind hunt, Yes? Is there a way to make this tactic most effective, like giving MR boosters to lizard shamans?

>>151641017

Will the battle even happen if you claim the throne the same turn?

>>151644996
Yeah, the battle will happen. Even if it doesn't matter to the outcome of the game, Determining if someone wins is checked for pretty much last iirc. Certainly after all battles could possibly occur.

Hence why if you storm a throne location while another is being claimed, you can still stop them from winning.

Are you here Abysia?
Bandar is getting what he deserves, it's time for you to you to also capitalize.

>>151645221
It's funny how are you pretending to be strong, while being reduced almost to the single cap.
No one sane won't gonna help a looser.

Well, killing Ermor on the other hand is a good thing. I hope adequate players are gonna take back previously your lands Ermor already took.

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>>151645221
Don't forget I never attacked you, elf-sama

>>151645619
You're a prick.

>>151645721
I don't care about you. You are a joke. Just attack sceletons already, so you can be tiny bit useful.
Licking asshole of a glamour-faggot makes you even less straight.

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>>151645721
You truly are my greatest ally.

This took 10000 hours in paint.

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Current happenings:

-China is getting kill by Germany
-Elf is getting kill by skeletor
-Monkey is a prick
-Monkey is preventing elf from fighting skeletor
-Remove momo
-Machaka has meme spiders
-C'tis has meme slingers
-Japan has not a lot I think?
-Every time I take back a province from neutrals, another gets meme'd despite 0 unrest

>>151646114
Wew lad you're pretty upset nobody wants to do your dirty work for you. Maybe you should have considered the fact that nobody likes you before attacking another player?

>>151646114
It's just a game, why you hef to be mad?

>>151646419
>Elf is getting kill by skeletor
No, skeletons aren't the problem, I just can't retaliate against them as long as Bandar is fucking me with his blessed troops.

>>151646521
Actually I am a homophobe. And you and your fuck-buddy are upsetting me. Sorry.

>>151646889
Agartha hasn't helped me at all. He has been reasonable and polite however.

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>>151646868
I'll take some pressure off of you, then.

>>151646889
>Not being gay for elves

What are you, a fag?

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>>151647292
Don't pretend that liking elves is something honorable. Here, check the old newspapers.

>>151648391
But it was Bandar who created AIDS by fucking different types of monkeys.

>>151649042
It was a global blood ritual to remove Elf.

>>151649042
Bandar Log having strict caste-system. Only monkeys of a certain lineage can fuck monkeys of the equal standing. So in our society AIDS is the only plague of the lower clases. And it's contained.

Basically, stop spouting stupid, ignorant elf-lies. Just die.

>>151649498
So that is why it's only the leadership who has AIDS. Good to know.

>>151649901
Learn how to read, you illiterate forest-dweller. In Bandar Log only markatas have AIDS. And I bet in Vanheim everyone who had sex at least once have it.

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>all this discord in perfect places

All according to keikaku

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>>151650586
Right there with you fellow mystery man, all these wars present so many opportunities.

>>151650586
No dicksword here, mystere meme man

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>>151650586
>>151652019
hai guize can I be mysterious plotter too?

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Will I like these games if I'm a fan of pre-Rome Total War and Heroes of Might and Magic?

>>151648391
>Speedy Bat Times reporters
Stopped reading right there. Never trust bats.

>>151653547
Do you like Risk?

If yes, definitely

If no, quite possibly.

>>151653547

Probably! Although the actual mechanics of Dom4 are a bit different. If you ever played Laser Squad or Frozen Synapse, think along those lines. Everyone sets their orders for the turn and then they all get worked out simultaneously.

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>>151653997
The old campaign map style was similar to Risk. I noticed some screenshots seem to have some sort of texture filtering that makes the sprites really blurry, is there a way to disable that?

>>151654259
I thoroughly enjoyed Frozen Synapse, thanks.

>>151653547
But have you played Diplomacy? That's the most like it, down to the arguments.

>>151652752
Yes

>>151650586
>>151652019
>>151652752
Slackers, I'll show you real plotting.

So, the response has been negative, you can ask yourself in case you can wheel a deal.

>>151660421
Which nation are you, Mr. Admin?

>>151663468
He's Abysia.

>>151663767

I am not admin.

>>151663468
I am Abysia.

Is it generally worth it to summon undead priests and use them to reanimate as LA Ctis or are my death gems better spent elsewhere?

How to MA Ermor that isn't a bless? I know I should tank all my scales except magic and maybe luck, but what do I do the first 10 turns? What do I summon the first few turns?

>>151665880
>maybe luck
Definitely get Luck.
Luck 3 + Magic 3 = lots of gems

>>151665152

It depends

If you have a regen bless, then Tomb Wyrms are definitely a good amount of bang for your buck. Without a regen bless, tomb chariots are alright too.

A lot of it comes down to expected lifetime, as well. If you're losing a war, then a Wyrm/Chariot factory might not be as useful as something which'll definitely contribute to victory RIGHT NOW. If you're winning, then a reanimator summoned now can be producing stuff for you for the rest of the game.

>>151665152
Summoning dozens of tomb kings and freespawning a hundred tomb wyrms/chariots per turn is a legit C'tis strategy.

>>151665880
Use a rainbow for sitesearching and big summons/battlefield spells. Lich Queen is your best bet.

ded tbqh f.am

>>151599968
I have a side question about quadbless mictlan, how do they prevent being domkilled if they dump all their scales and let better dominion in to keep their income up? Do they just use sacrifices when it's getting precarious or something?

>>151673917

That, pretty much.

As quadbless Mictlan you're always going to want most of your provinces to be hostile dominion, because YOUR dominion will fuck them right up. You need to keep some in white candles, but usually as little as you think you can get away with.

Sometimes this leads to you dying to -dom events. It's a balancing act.

>>151628058
>>151633484
Fear not, I am here.

The new admin is offline right now so I did the extension for him. I've sent him the passwords too in case he needs anything else.

>>151673917
Quadbless Mictlan isn't actually a thing because you'll have to sacrifice dominion to an extent where you can only recruit a few jags a turn and your actual combat potency will be worse than pure scales.

3 majors and a minor is in principle doable and while it's not a viable strategy, if you were to try it regardless, revolves around Mictlan's ability to fully control their dominion spread: High Priest with Jade Knife can generate 5 temple checks wherever you want while your dominion doesn't naturally spread. Simply being domkilled isn't really a concern with the new temple check resolution (you want around 6 dominion anyway to recruit some jags out of your capital), allowing beneficial (or neutral, rather, because you won't get beneficial effects from enemy dominion, but that's still 10+ scales for "free") to take over most of your territory while having a few faithful living in marshes and deserts is, though.

>>151674750
Interesting, seems like a fun playstyle.
I'll have to try it out in some sp.
Is mictlan pretty much THE nation for maximizing your bless at the cost of everything else? Also is quadbless the max is is there a combo where quintbless is possible?

>>151644207
Higher level astral gives a better chance of feebleminding mindhunters (40% per S level). Not sure if multiple astral mages increases the chance.

Generally even a single S1 mage is sufficient to prevent mind hunt. Having 40% of your casters feebleminded is not worth it unless you have widely available healers or GoH.

>>151676117
Quadbless itself is only possible on a few pretender chassis, I think there's some chassis that allow 4 majors and 4 points in one path, but that's with worst possible scales and dominion.

And while they technically have the tools to mitigate the issues, it's not a good idea to play Mictlan in such a way. Dualbless Mictlan would beat tribless (or the largely hypothetical quadbless) because you can afford more stuff.

If you want to play with extremely heavy bless (such that it's actually a good idea, feel free to meme around with tribless Heart Companions if you really want to), MA Ermor is the nation of choice because they WANT to tank their scales anyway and their ability to mass up sacreds isn't dependent on those scales.

>>151676117

For majors, four is the max. Although if you go tri-major you can also pick up two/three minors. Although this said, going that far is counterproductive, since you then can't afford the candles to recruit more than a couple a turn. Six F9N9B9 jags will generally beat three W9F9N9B9.

>>151677168
You can actually get 4 majors and a minor actually, with the smoking mirror.

Is any of: Ur, Hinnom, Marverni, Pan, Helheim, or Agartha around.
Would like to speak to you about the growing concern in the North.

>>151676117
Mictlan is THE nation for three reasons. First of all, recruit anywhere sacreds means you can leverage the bless. Second, blood-saccing means you can not die despite the terrible Dom score. Third, good pretenders for it. This was true even before the re-balance, but now it's possible to have four blesses and not have the lowest possible dominion strength. That's important because it also caps sacreds per fort per turn.
The fourth reason is memes.

Maximum possible bless is four major and one minor. Plain quadbless is better because you're trading off domstrength for that last half-bless, but if you were playing optimally you wouldn't be playing quadbless anyway so do what you want.

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>>151676117
Quadbless is not a viable strategy for MP. It's a very memeworthy strategy, but you can't actually win anything using it.

Hell, even Tribless is pushing it unless you really know what you're doing.

most sacred units are crap. major blesses don't make a garbage unit any less garbage.

>>151684115

F9A4D9 EA C'tis. Serpent Dancers and Hierodules with Bows of War.

>>151686379
you're joking, right? serpent dancers die like dogs, they have no armor.

I think major blesses are, in general, a waste. Its a major point sink to go from the 5-7 you need to cast the most powerful spells to the 9 you need for a major bless, and most sacreds are crap compared to normal units.

Plus you're only getting 6-10 a turn anyway, and they can only usually only be recruited at the capital.

I'd like blesses a lot more if they didn't just apply to garbage throwaway units that cost twice as much and had a lower buy in, like 7 instead of 9.

>>151688130
yes
only a few sacreds benefit from majors

sometimes 3 or 4 minors get you a lot more value

most combat worthy pretender forms are also a huge point sink. No matter how many HP they have they are still only one unit, and the 2 or 3 provinces you get at the start of the game (if you're lucky) don't make up for the all the summons and combat spells you could be getting.

Also, why are immobile pretenders so expensive? didn't they used to cost less? 150 points is way too much to pay for a dominion 3-4 with a few paths/ specialties.

>>151688130
Blesses are extremely potent on literally any nation with sacred summons.
Especially those with Ozzies.

it also seems like every fifth spell is actually useful, and a lot of the more useful ones can only be cast if you're carrying gems, which wouldn't suck so much if you didn't have to have a lab just to equip them.

It kind of sucks that labs don't do anything on their own, either. a lot of times you see a capitol with like 20 mages in it all doing research cause nobody wants to shell out the 500 gold to recruit mages away from the capital. (Assumming you want to make them useful when they aren't blasting shit)

>>151688130
N9 bless is amazing specifically because it never loses it's value. Same for E4, though to a lesser extent.

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>>151688130
9 gives you top level access from the get go without boosters and very good scalability on spells. Add boosters and a communion and I've casually hit 13 in a battle.

>mfw casting sleep cloud on ulm troops at 13N

>>151688130
Getting a single major usually isn't that expensive and can be more useful than the equivalent points in scales

>>151688675
Good awake expanders can get way more than 2-3 provinces in the first year even in an MP setting

>>151681608
While I agree quadbless is crap, that particular situation only happened because he didn't blood sac at all, and dominion has been made easier to spread since then.

>>151688130
>and most sacreds are crap compared to normal units
That's completely wrong.

>>151689253
>nobody wants to shell out the 500 gold to recruit mages away from the capital
If you only recruit mages in your capital you're going to lose.

>>151689253
Spells are situational. Literally all of them. Some are more niche than others, but there are very few spells which are actually completely worthless.

Labs are useful specifically because you need them to recruit mages, and getting a second mage producing fort up ASAP is literally 1 or 2 on the early game priority list. Every additional mage producing fort is also extremely important, literally the difference between crushing defeat and victory.

>>151688675
Combat pretenders provide a huge bonus to expansion, far more than just 2-3 provinces unless you're not using them right at all. Immobile pretenders are expensive because they provide ample benefit for their cost. Starting domscore of 4 means you spend less on boosting it, they have high starting paths which make a single/duelbless a lot cheaper, and before the point cost was increased a while back the meta consisted almost entirely of 'Well N9E4 Irminsul is so cheap there's no reason not to take it'. These days, pretender diversity is much, much higher, and that's a sign of a healthy meta. Only issue currently is erf snek, which is, ironically enough given your first complaint, a combat pretender, due to it's cheapness combined with it's effectiveness making it extremely ubiquitous.

Alright, you're clearly new to the game, but please, please take the time to learn how to play, and take a brief look at the meta before you comment, because you look like an idiot and the danger is that because you are making statements and not asking questions, somebody might think you know what you are talking about.

It doesn't take long to learn the basics, once you join MP. A couple of games, maybe 10-15 hours of actual playtime.

I don't know man. I think this game has too much filler, not enough crunch.

Every 5th spell actually does something useful, a lot of the nations and units are redundant, even the lore isn't really that consistent with the mythology and its own mythos isn't consistent with itself.

I feel like it would be very easy for a competent modder to cut 25-50% of the content and lose nothing of value.

Its like they say in writing, "Kill you're Darlings," or "Second Draft is you're first draft minus -10%" (Of your word count)"

You spend too much time adding content and not developing enough focus on what you already have, you're game is going to feel shallow.

If y'all want to shill this game:
https://www.slant
dot
co/topics/6457/viewpoints/4/~4x-games-on-steam~dominions-4-thrones-of-ascension

>>151690570
you sound like your making apologies, not presenting arguments. These are the things a designer or a fan would say, not a critic.

>>151690589
Are you pretending to be retarded? Do you have brain damage?

>>151690948
>Shill website to shill game
>'Dominions 4: Thrones of Ascension is a 4X strategy game with a fantasy theme.'

Literally one sentence in and it's already wrong. 10/10.

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>>151690589
>you're

How about you learn to write some fucking English before you try to rid a game of its main selling point, without which I would never have even bothered to pick it up?

>>151691156
And that sounds like a blatant deflection.

You said that these things were bad, I explain why they are not bad and very much intentional. That is how it works. If I'm not allowed to explain why things are good as a rebuttal to your claim that they are bad, then you're basically just giving yourself a handicap, aren't you?

I'm not going to argue with somebody who speedreads a novel and then starts scathing it while claiming any critic of their argument is a fanboy.

>>151690570
>Person has a different opinion
>Is clearly a noob

>>151691186
I have no skin in that website's game, it seems shitty, but so it goes.

>>151691291
>triggered

oh no, maybe this thing that is kind of cool isn't necessarily the best thing ever!

Are we having another Rejakor-style argument? Are aussies already awake?

>>151691581
you stated your preference, not why your preference was objectively better. Opinion shouldn't be taken as objective fact.

>>151690589
>Can't tell the difference between your and you're
>Expects people to take him seriously

wew lad

>>151691836
Go back to facebook, faggot.

>>151691893
We have one retard who can't into grammar and one chucklefuck who is clearly new to Dominions trying to validate his shit opinion.

Ermor was right. Being undead is far more fun than being dead.

This is a problem your generation has. You are sitting on mountains of talent, the quivelent of pure gold, but you can't bear to objectively criticise anyone because it might actually force them to get better and all your indy darlings would suddenly become popular and you wouldn't have your little indy club anymore.

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>>151688675
>No matter how many HP they have they are still only one unit
Get this hothead out of here.

>>151691973
Perhaps you should listen to your own advice sometimes, assuming you can remove your head from your ass long enough to hear properly.

I intentionally misuse "you're" for things like "you're waifu is shit" and other obvious trolls. Discussion like this validates my decision.

>>151692004
Complaining about grammar is an incredibly weak argument.

>>151692391
Your mistake was assuming I'm here to argue and not just laugh at the retard who thinks his opinion is worth a damn.

>>151691973
maybe instead of insulting somebody for disagreeing with you, you could keep a civil tongue and not act like a fucking brat.

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>>151692357
Using it for trolling is fine. Not knowing the difference is not fine. This is elementary school shit, and people who don't get it should return to their containment social media.

>>151692391
We don't argue with retards here. We tell them to fuck off because they're retards. Fuck off, retard.

t. Pan.

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>>151692609
>t. Pan.
>retards telling retards to fuck off

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>Aussies get back from work
>Suddenly shitposting and bait

I wish the thread was dead again.

>>151692609
Listen here you little cunt postule, I was trying to be civil but your little shitfit is starting to grate on me. Is there some other place you can fester you little anal wart?

>>151688675
>Also, why are immobile pretenders so expensive? didn't they used to cost less? 150 points is way too much to pay for a dominion 3-4 with a few paths/ specialties.
There was a pretender rework. The immobiles cost more but you have more starting points so you have effectively the same price.

>>151690570
>Spells are situational. Literally all of them. Some are more niche than others, but there are very few spells which are actually completely worthless.
Let's be fair, there are a lot of spells which see next to no use.

Star Fires or Flying Shards might technically have some very situational uses, but have you ever seen them in a game?

>>151691618
It's not your opinions that are the issue, it's that the facts you base those opinions on have no basis in reality.

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>>151692802
Y'know, it's easy to tell you're
>>151692391
>>151691836
>>151690589
all of those. Consider killing yourself.

>>151692927
Well meme'd my friend

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>>151690589
Nice opinions fagtron but I like the diversity and breadth of options the game offers.

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>>151693000
>Y'know, it's easy to tell
I don't hate you because of your argument or anything. I hate you because you're a furry avatarfag who shits here day and night.

>>151692954
>Star Fires or Flying Shards might technically have some very situational uses, but have you ever seen them in a game?

Point. I mean, I can imagine some uses for them but it seems unlikely that those uses would come up barring extreme edge cases. Very early battlemagic is fairly lackluster beyond fire evos, thug buffs, and scaling spells. They might change the course of a battle if you've ended up at the point where you're throwing the kitchen sink at an extremely early aggressor, I guess? Gives your mages -something- to cast, even if it's not very good.

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>>151693146 (You)
Wew lad I'm gonna need some chips to go with that salt

>>151693480
I'm flattered that you wasted your time on me. Kind of proves that you're on the spectrum though.

I don't see how these are not completely valid criticisms. You want the game to suck so you can be an autistic twat and scale through the list of 800 crap spells so you can find the 100 or so that are actually useful.

You like the crappy math behind the scales and blesses because it rewards your autism instead of following a logical chain of progression, and if you think you're going to take more than 2-3 provinces with a solo thug spec you're fucking stupid.

Either admit the game has flaws or allow it to slide into the muck of perpetual bugfixes and overhauls and mod version hell.

No matter how many improvements you make to the game, if you don't fix the content problem it will be like putting a spoiler on a car that runs on coal.

>>151691618
>I skimmed a novel, skipped like half the pages
>But I have a right to criticise it and be taken seriously!

I tend to zone out when people attempt to talk about subjects they obviously know nothing about, ESPECIALLY if they are criticising them in order to inflate their ego. It's a waste of brainpower to argue with them because they always win by their own ruling.

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>>151693593
If you don't like the game, then stop coming to the general about the game. We will not miss you. Bye.

Its a major turnoff for new players to have to content with the amount of trap options. You could at least have some decent example builds instead of expecting everyone to learn from scratch.

>>151693931
We don't want new players like (you). Nobody is forcing you to play Dominions. Now run along back to League of Legends general where you can complain about how the latest whatchamacallit is "OP".

>>151693712
You're right, the game is perfect, it will be around for ever, it doesn't need any changes whatsoever and is finished.

Its just like the bible.

>>151693593
Uhh... What's your suggestion exactly? Cutting down the list of spells? I think it can be done to some extent. Please, tell everyone here which spells do you want to cut, and some people will tell you how they successfully used them though.

How's math behind scales and blesses crappy? At least specify it, you dingus.

>Either admit the game has flaws
Everyone admits that game has flaws. It's fucking Illfraud, there's a fuckton of flaws. You're just not being specific and sperging for no apparent reason.

>>151693692
>>151694060
Yes, because a community that can't accept criticism is a community destined for great things!

>>151693931
You can always ask in the thread like a normal person. There's literally a fuckton of non-trap options for almost every nation/pretender combo.

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Anyway, keep telling this faggot to fuck off and maybe he'll get the hint. I'm going to get some much needed shuteye. Tomorrow I have some big memes in plan for a lot of games. Perhaps you're wondering why I would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane, but trust me, it will be very painful for (you).

>>151694086
It's been around for longer than you have, judging by your edgy attitude.

>>151694216
We accept criticism, just not from new, underaged, retarded pieces of shit like (you). Fuck off.

This thread makes my head hurt. Are Pan shitter and the faggot he's arguing with aussies too? That would explain everything.

>>151694091
dude, read all my previous posts

Like I said, many of the nations are redundant, don't need to exist in all three time periods, or are basically just garbage or should be removed from the game.

There are too many spells that only affect the caster, a single square, or a single unit, all of which are mostly useless when you're in a battle with hundreds of troops.

Most spells that affect the caster are not very good because they only apply to the mages themselves, and mages are generally very weak in combat.

>>151694668
the only thing that should be removed from the game is you

>>151693439
I actually tried using Star Fires once. I had very high protection but low hp enemy undead troops so I used it instead of Solar Rays.

I thought against 5hp 25 protection units that it'd do better, but it was fucking terrible.

>Gives your mages -something- to cast, even if it's not very good.
In my opinion, it's almost always better to just sit in your capital and research a little. Level 3 will usually get you a decent spell, and that's only 350 or so RP. Half a dozen mages can reach that before the enemy breaks your walls.

>>151693593
>You like the crappy math behind the scales and blesses because it rewards your autism instead of following a logical chain of progression
What do you even mean by this? How is the progression for scales/blesses not logical?

>if you think you're going to take more than 2-3 provinces with a solo thug spec you're fucking stupid
I've personally used an awake expander over a dozen times. But clearly all of those were flukes and you're completely right.

>Either admit the game has flaws
I'm perfectly happy to admit dominions has flaws, but your criticisms of it are retarded and show you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

>>151694668
>Most spells that affect the caster are not very good because they only apply to the mages themselves, and mages are generally very weak in combat.
Those are extremely valuable for SCs and thugs.

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>>151693593
Woah there, friend!

It seems like you're claiming that your preferences are fact, by automatically assuming the things you don't like about the game are objectively valid criticisms! At the same time, you seem to be dismissing any criticism of your own argument as biased and subjective! Seems a little hypocritical, don't you think? Moreover, you're claiming those objective criticisms of yours based on a clearly beginner-level (Or otherwise very flawed) experience of the game!

And then you go on to claim that because people like the things that you don't, they're autistic and possibly elitist as well.

Now, I don't really know how you expect people to respond to this, but it probably isn't going to be to engage in a debate with you, because it doesn't take an artisan's eye to see that it would be near completely futile. Almost like arguing with a stone cliff face, in fact!

Maybe you should consider being less of an overbearing twit about your opinions!

I begin to suspect I am replying to bait, but I give it the benefit of the doubt anyway!

>>151694668
>many of the nations are redundant
Which ones?

>There are too many spells that only affect the caster, a single square, or a single unit, all of which are mostly useless
Which ones?

Body Ehtereal is useless? Mistform is useless? Flight is useless? Even Aim/Eagle Eyes etc. have uses.

>Most spells that affect the caster are not very good because they only apply to the mages themselves, and mages are generally very weak in combat.
Vanjarls are weak in combat? Niefels are weak in combat? Dragons/Giants/Erfs Sneks/Liches/Grigori/Seraphs/Demons/Almost any high-level stuff is weak in combat?

>>151693931
People who ask generally get pretty good answers in the thread. If that fails, there's the Steam group. We know the game isn't very newbie friendly, so most of us attempt to accommodate.

>>151694843
>What do you even mean by this? How is the progression for scales/blesses not logical?

I mean most spells requirements cap out at around 5-7, so why make the strong bless a 9? all it does is sink 100 points and make your magic slightly harder to resist.

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Wow, all those useless single-target spells, right guys?

>>151695510
That's more a matter of his not having any research than not using the right script.

>>151694874
Oh come one, follow the posts, who fired the first shot?

Your assumming I'm a noob, which is in itself an insult. A month is more than enough time to familiarize myself with the basic concepts of the game. I don't think 2 years playtesting experience should be a prerequisite for a job application, much less a god damn video game.

Fact is, all i said is that you should cut some content, and these fucking faggots went apeshit.

>>151695283
...I don't understand?

Rather than making the strong bless require an equally strong investment, you want to get more out of your pretender for less points? Thus making specific low-hanging fruits incredibly obvious to take and reducing the overall diversity in favour of a very limited choice of incredibly efficient options?

You seem to have a skewed view of what 'logical chain of progression' means.

>>151695751
>Your assumming
confirmed troll. Nice job keeping the thread alive, aussie

>>151695751
>A month is more than enough time to familiarize myself with the basic concepts of the game.
It's really not. Not at all.

>>151695027
that has not been my experiance.

In fact, its been the opposite. People have been incredibly rude or simply outright ignored posters who asked questions.

Some people have been helpful, but most have been terrible.

>>151696163
Did they tell you to read the fucking manual before asking questions that are answered there? Because that's a legitimately good advice.

What's your nation, and what do you want to do with it?

>>151696161
well fine then. enjoy your "job"

>>151696163

You probably asked like an idiot.

When I asked an idiot question, I got an idiot answer. Simple.

When I asked questions I couldn't find an easy answer to, I got honest decent replies.

>>151696163
I've asked many question and people have been mostly helpful. I've received one rude response but that's not to bad considering this is on 4chan.

>>151695751
> A month is more than enough
What a fucking casual, holy shit. Did you even play a single multiplayer game in your life?

>>151696161
yeah... cause the game is SOO deep and complex, right?


Gimme a break.

>>151696163
Was it a really, super obvious question that is on like page 1-10 of the manual?

Because when I got into the game, people were very helpful. The whole 'Just lose until you get good' advice is actually legit, if that's what you're talking about. It's not a meme.

>>151696557

Why don't you go play Civ 5.

I tried presenting my criticism in a helpful, non threatening way, I even tried to make a game of it, and you all basically told me to fuck off and die. How is that not toxic sperg bullshit?

>>151696983
You didn't even tell which spells are useless and which nations are redundant.

>>151696983
>helpful, non threatening way

That was what you were going for?

See, I don't think Dominions 4 is bad game. Quite the contrary, I think it could be a great game. But I don't think you want it to be a great game. I think you want it to be a kind of shovelware experiment that never makes it out of the basement. I think you enjoy its flaws more than its talents.

My criticism still stands. If you want this game to be the best game it can be, you need to cut it in half.

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>>151694668
>Most spells that affect the caster are not very good because they only apply to the mages themselves, and mages are generally very weak in combat.
>Most spells that affect the caster are not very good

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>>151696983
First, no ya didn't.
Second, nobody cares about your feefees so grow a thicker skin or go look for a hugbox somewhere else.

>>151697454
For the last time, if you don't say what exactly you want to cut out, I'm gonna report you.

>>151697332
>You mean this?
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Lets Play a Game

>Goal: cut 5 slots from each era
>Goal: must have 25 slots in each era

Rules:
>You can remove any nation from any era

>You can combine 2 or more nations from any era
>You can combine the same nation from 2 or more eras
>You can combine combined nations

>You can move any nation to any era
(inluding combined ones)

Hardmode:
>Cut 10 slots from each era
>20 slots per era

Super Hardmode
>Cut 15 slots from each era
>15 slots per era

>>151695283
>and make your magic slightly harder to resist.
Most spells add drastic improvements for each additional path, like 5 extra damage or an additional projectile.

You complain that we don't accept criticism? That isn't true, why do you think Summod and Worthy Heroes are so popular?
The reason your criticism is not well received is because you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Git gud.

>>151697454
I don't want it to be streamlined. I enjoy the breadth it has right now, I like the game very much, and I don't think sending it to the cutting room would improve it for me.

Why do i have to specify WHAT to cut? My criticism isn't that this or that should be cut, my criticism was that there was TOO MUCH CONTENT.

>>151695283
Blesses are extremely strong so they cost a lot of extra points to get.

Basically you get three choices when it comes to each magic path.

First is get a little of that magic, 1-3 skill. This is really cheap but doesn't get you much, especially if your nation has the magic already.

Second is get a lot of that magic, 4-7 skill. This is more expensive but gets you access to a wide array of magic from that path.

Third is to take a bless. You don't get more spells than the second choice, but instead you get some strong troops to recruit.

Each new step costs more, because you're getting more out of it. Blesses don't give extra spells but you get benefits from them in other ways.

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>>151697883
You are a fucking moron