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>>151276210

wew

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Druchii butts.

>>151276445
men are inferior to women

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>>151276210
B I N G O
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>>151229547
SAY MY NAME
S A Y M Y N A M E

How do I stop savescumming?

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>>151276634
True dat.

>>151276789
play legendary

>>151276789
You hold that loss

>>151276789
Try to think a few turns ahead.

Scout out around your territory and or areas of interest so you know when something is coming.
Don't worry about settlements so much, if you lose one you can get it back latter/easier. All it really coasts you is maybe some income/time.
Just don't rush yourself or take unneeded risks.

Alternately train yourself by only using it for REAL disasters. Like your low health gen getting friendly fired while chasing down routing units.

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>this is an early game suebian unit
jesus fuck
if only those guys had armor piercing as well

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Genevieve Dieudonné legendary hero when?

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>20 wins to get from 101 to 80 on leaderboards
>2 losses brings it down to 102
what sort of devilish ranking system is this

>>151279239
>ranking
>relevant

What kind of units are brets still missing?

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>>151279213
after the best VC LL

>>151279406
>video games
>relevant
just wanna be top 100 for that epeen desu

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Soon

>>151279657
>Zacharias
>not >>151279530

>>151279804
abhorash has no relevance to grey wizards or the lore of shadows

he will (if ever) be in a LL pack down the line

>>151279934
Why is there a need for relevance to grey wizzas or lore of spook?
Where did these brackets come from?

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>>151279530
>best VC LL

Excuse me?

>>151279657

>August
>September
>October

That's pretty optimistic. Not saying it will or wont happen, but that's a lot of content in a short time frame. There were months in between culture packs and those were largely re-used assets. But then again it's possible the DLC team has been working on some of this for a while now, judging from the datamined stuff.

Personally I don't think we'll get anything this month, and then in September we'll get:

>Skarsnik LL Pack
>VC LL
>Wurrzag
>Lore/Hero

Followed by another month or two of nothing then in December they'll release the Wood Elf Campaign pack + Bretonnia + Lore/Hero. After the new year though I'll be interested in seeing what they do because I think we'll be in for a real long dry spell after January.

>>151280342
u heard me

>>151280348
I think you're a bit wrong with the Wood Elf campaign date and its release being around Bretonnia's. Bretonnia doesn't have much left to do. All it needs is a unique mechanic and a few buildings, stats for some current buildings and a tech tree. Any new units can just be copy/pasted Empire units with stat and texture changes. That's not much at all to do and considering mods have already done it, there's no reason why they can't bring out Wood Elves way earlier than December.

I imagine most Beastmen work went into the unique skeletons that no other race will use, the mini campaign and textures and the same could be debatably said for Elves, who, for all we know, could be upscaled human skeletons.

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>>151280538
peasant

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who /comfy/ here?
is there a comfier area in TW than southern iberia?
>9 rich regions all in range of one defensive army
feels good, especially after playing Empire in Warhammer with cities 3 turns apart from each other

>>151281643
Looks real comfy anon. Bonus points for best faction.

>>151281076
>namecalling
>no honor
you wild beast

>>151280878

not that guy, but i think you'd be surprised at how long a development cycle can take even for things that seem simple. art assets, sounds, voice work, texture design, balance, qa, animations all of it takes a lot of time to run through the numerous iterations all of those things go through

then theres all the other backend stuff, the writing the wiki entries, the marketing material etc. and this is all being done by i imagine a relatively small team 20-30 people who are just human beans trying to balance work/life.

so yeah i could see december, but at the same time i could see it sooner i have no idea how far along they are or how long they've been working on it. but don't assume it's all just simple texture swaps. even that requires some effort.

>>151281643
very jealous of you right now

I managed to settle my fat Ostrogothic ass in Italy, but it feels far from comfy trying to balance sanitation and squalor with food and money while inching along with religious conversion. Plus there's WRE agents getting ridiculous levels by buttfucking my settlements. They even mindraped and converted one of my priestesses.

So all the warhammer mammalian races are related?

Elves -- Humans -- Dwarfs -- Halflings -- Ogres -- Giants

>>151278891
>implying
The Alamans get that fucking ridiculous Bejewlled Nobles unit

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>Great at Shogun 2
>Can't win a single battle of Warhammer without losing 200+ men or leaving the army in shambles

>>151280348
Well apparently the Attila DLC team has move into doing work on Warhammer full time. And considering bretonnia is already 90% there already I do think a bretonnia/elf release could be possible.

Would also make sense for single lord/unit DLC/FLC packs to come out as filler for the in between months.

>>151282692
Pretty much, I don't know if it's changed or not but pretty much the Old Ones are supposed to have created most of the life in the old world.

They where experimenting and trying to create the perfect race to fight chaos with. But they disappeared before they could complete their work.

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wow I can´t believe this, I accidentally killed myself in my chaos campaign
>Raise corruption in dwarf settlement, and start sieging it because fucker has full army there+garrison so I cant take it.
>Finally after few turns and attrition I easily beat them and sack it for 15 000 favour
>See some random tribe army behind me, surely just some marauders and hounds
>They have 5 (five) chaos trolls, chaos warriors and some other shit
>It´s actually rebels that were created from corruption in dwarfen town
>They´ve been there for god knows how many turns since I started to siege
I THOUGHT REBELS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FRIENDLY

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>it's an assassinate an enemy belonging to the Greenskin faction grudge

That's it, the nord faggots pissed me off one last time

What's the most kills you have had on a non-special unit, /twg/?

>383 on a handgunner unit vs a vampire horde

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>>151276210
>Both the M2TW and R2TW mods for atilla havn't been released yet
>I bought attilla 6 months ago thinking theyd be finished soon
JUST

>>151283494
The human chaos cultist infiltrating dwarfs and orcs cities are ruthless anon

>>151283694
I think when I was playing Empire and hadn't unlocked any cavalry buildings yet, my Reiksguard had like 600 something kills after hammering and pursuing.

>>151283702
>Buying games for mods

CLASSIC BLUNDER! That I've fallen for time and time again :_:

>>151281076
>>151282692
Not really, they were all created in the same manner, that is the old ones made them to fight chaos with certain traits in mind, but they are distinct from each other, humans didn't evolve into ogres or anything like that. The old ones just kept making races because none of them were perfect for fighting chaos. They all had drawbacks, like High elves, superhuman strength agility and intelligence. But very low levels of reproduction. Making them unfit for attrition, humans had high reproduction but are susceptible to corruption and so on

>>151283723
>Got bored with VC after I anihilated empire pretty early on
>Chaos and empire campaigns impossible to do in early
>hate manlets
I seriously hope at least orcs will be fun

For Franz, the Reikland Runefang is a weapon, right? Should I use it or Ghal Maraz?

How can I catch enemy armies with chaos

>>151284137
You don't. It's one of the biggest fuck-ups in the Chaos campaign. The best (and only thing) you can do is to hire a bunch of chaos sorcerers, level them up and get block army on all of them.

Chaos REALLY need ambush stance and block army available from the start on an agent. It's so fucking stupid that they don't have either.

>>151283694
600+ on a Greatsword.
>defensive battle against 4 Orc armies
>raging battles all across the wall
>except 1 section where they only climb with goblin spearmen and goblin archers
>Greatswords gets to work
win battle with 11 units in Greatsword-company left

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What did he mean by this

>>151284594
Wow. Was the unit disbanded after the battle? They probably ranked up quite a bit.

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>>151284660
>that unit size

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S L A Y E R S

>>151283463
>Warhammer Planet lies in cold area, life is scarce and adapted to cold.
>Dragons, Fimir, Dragon Ogres rule
>Old Ones come, they shift the planet closer to the sun and heavily modify existing organism and introduce new ones.
>Create Lizardmen
>Create Elves, Dwarfs, Humans, Giants, Halflings, Ogres, etc from common ancestor

This means that they are all the same species, just different races/breeds and they can all interbreed then.

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>>151276210
BINGO.
Don't savescum often, but it has occasionally happened. Especially while getting a good start on FOTS legendary.

>>151284868
S-shut up

>>151284672
They were already on 1gold and I had the all the techs to improve them, which is probably why they massacred those gobbos with ease.
I actually "retired" them. i think they deserved it.
Now they walk the streets of Altdorf with their heads held high. The heroes of The Moot.

Is there a building that gives +recruitment rank to Empire captains?

>Get shit on by Hungary in M2
>fuck you hungary
>start up attila and fucking rape magyars out of existence
>start up M2
>hungary is still there

FUCK these games

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>>151282397
If you are having public orders issue in Attila, I have a pro tip for you: put taxes on high. That will increase your public order by about +10 long term in every single province.

pic unrelated

>>151283624
>Last words of Louen Leoncouer before embarking to Norsca with all of Bretonnia's armies

>>151285431
The solution is to play as Hungary of course.

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>>151284660
>40

>>151282692
>>151283463
>>151284039
>>151285002
What would a half-elf half-dwarf look like? Or a half-ogre half-dwarf? Or a half-giant half-elf?

>>151284868
Id play at multiplayer balanced unit sizes if artillery units didnt turn to 3

>swordsmen getting rekt frontally by fucking dogs

FIX THIS SHIT RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>151287994
if you have no upgrades, swordsmen are equivalent of peasants

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i tried so hard...

i lost 621 in the battle. it seemed pretty close at one point but just as i thought i was doing okay it gave me a -1 morale malus because my men were 'overwhelmed'. that's true but they were far less overwhelmed by this point than they were at the start of the battle.

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>hire my first 2 shamans
>this happens next turn
Is Mork trying to tell me something?
What about Gork?

Southern Realms Estalia Pike&Shot fag from earlier, if you're still here:

How good is that shit really? Can you win consistently with pikes and guns?

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>>151288402
Wait a second, I recognise that faction.

They were constantly sending stacks of spearmen at me before I finally managed to find some free armies to deal with them permanently.

>>151289113

Depends on who you're up against. Remember, spears suck shit against melee infantry with swords or axes, but they will obliterate cavalry, doggos, trolls, etc.

They're also not like pikemen in Attila or Rome 2. Enemies don't just plop dead when they touch the pikes.

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>grave guard use the weapons they were buried with and not modern weaponry

>>151289637
It's even more retarded when you raise Grave Guard from a recent battle.

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>falling for the 'we're just standing here in an open field' meme

>>151287409
The races really don't intermix like that as far as I'm aware, as they are mostly entirely different species from each other

>>151285002
And homo erectus and homo sapiens were clearly the same species as well

>>151288586
Magikz IZ muckin about Ya git

So what's your opinion on Chaos Cosmetics 1.2 mod? I really like everything about except the new look for Archaon.

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So what are some ideas for a Role playing a Tzeentch themed warband?

How do you guys keep track of everything going on in large battle? I find myself frequently focusing too much on one area and not noticing a group of units dying or having finished off their enemy and standing around doing nothing. Gets worse the more uneven or foresty the battlefield is

Also do you tend to issue individual attack orders to units, or give them a group attack order to start the battle?

>>151291453
>ambush stance in corner of map with only 1 unit
>do nothing for 100000 turns
>game crashes and dies
>???
Just as planned

>>151291539
I use 3-6 groups, occasionally leaving a few units ungrouped for better micro. That's not too much to keep track of.

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G O B L I N S

>>151291539
There really isnt that much to pay attention to unless you do trying to do something fancy (see; non optimal)

A solid tough front line holds up the majority of the units, archers in rear fire on important units or other archers

99% of the fight takes place around your flanks, and in 99% of those cases you win one and lose the other, which means you win anyway because the AI can never take an advantage and press it as well as the player can.

The moment you realize which flank you are going to win just keep micro'ing it through the AI lines killing everything else.

>>151289589
>They're also not like pikemen in Attila or Rome 2. Enemies don't just plop dead when they touch the pikes.
tfw

Guess I'll have to dl that 30yrs war mod after all.

Are there any mods that FULLY add new Agents to any factions? Like new portraits and can be recruited in campaign, etc?

>>151289637
Their weapons are as good as modern blades thanks to tribal burial-magic.

They might even be better since older=more powerful in Warhammer.

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>tfw pike and shoot 30 yrs total war still not announced

>>151291871
You should be planning which flank is going to win before the lines even clash. You can even win both flanks if you make some fancy moves and the AI takes the bait (it's usually stupid enough to do so).

>Failed with empire, chaos and orcs campaigns
Please someone give a walkthrough on how to play these fucking factions, especially in early, empire is just impossible

>>151291870
>A U T I S M
Daily reminder that spamming every thread with the same post isn't a 'meme' - it's just autism.

>>151292343
It really doesnt matter. 'winning' a flank just means 1 unit didnt get caught by anything.

Better AI when

>>151292516
each shit, nobody cares about genevieve or tomb kangz but everyone loves gobbos

>>151290505
Races don't usually mix(there are half-elves though), but they are all same species.

>>151290659
The Warhammer timeline takes place over thousands of years, not millions, not enough time for genome to diverge enough you mong.

>>151292608
>literally the worst units in the game
>serve zero purpose
>no sign of this changing
Yeah, no.

>>151292608
>my autism is special it's not like the others

>>151291934
I feel you bro. But they do SHRED large enemies in the mod. Plus the A E S T H E T I C S

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>>151291870

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>>151276634


announcement WHEN?

>>151293193
I just wanna shoot and stab :(

>>151292746
>I am functionally retarded and cannot use a unit properly. The unit must be bad!

Kys

>>151292608
>nobody cares about tomb kangz
Fuck you.

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well fuck

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Anyone got a good strategy for Dorfs Legendary? I keep getting gangraped by Orcs from all directions. Sometimes even the Border Princes join in. Anyone got any good experiences to share?

>>151292414
>Orcs
Expand south, make peace with the Dwarves, get some waaagh stacks going, win, build boss tents everywhere, win.

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Please someone tell me how to play empire. Are you supposed to conquer nearby kingdoms or become good friends with them?

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>>151296285
damn, that's a nice screencap anon

where did you get it?

>>151296370
Both

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>>151295674
>niggers
You'll be fine.

>>151296370
Conquer Marienburg by turn 20. Try to make friends with Nordland (will probably not work). Break all treaties with Stirland on turn 5. Make friends with Middenburg for a buffer between you and Chaos. Make friends with Talabecland. Try to make friends with Nuln, but if you can't, conquer them and then conquer Averland.

Empire campaign is all about consolidation. When the Warriors of Chaos first arrive, start confederating and allying with EVERYONE. Also, try to take out Vampires as soon as you can, when you've took over most of the Empire south of the River Reik.

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>>151296421
You need to be as cool as I am to access them

>>151296370
Kill Marienburg, Kill Vampire Cunts, buddy up with other empire factions, become butt buddies with Todbringer, turtle up and work on your economy, wait for chaos because everyone will want to be your friend

>>151296927
>>151296726
Is chaos really that terrifying in late game?

>>151297114
It's like Attila but 10 times less scary

>>151297114
Yes, now that Beastmen are in. They also got a buff in that same patch. Generally, Kislev will be dead by the time Chaos arrives so they won't take too long getting to you. When they do arrive, everyone will shit themselves and want to confederate or ally with you.

>>151297114
Depends. If you have a lot of armies with high tier infantry then they're a nuisance. If you have a couple of armies you're fucked

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>>151297215

Chaos Devil Horse Archers when?

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>>151296720
yeah turned out ok after all

>>151297762
Told you
Anyway Suebian Champions are ungodly strong.

>>151297762
I wouldn't be able to do this in warhams

>>151297874
>Anyway Suebian Champions are ungodly strong
yeah they are one of the best infantry units in the game, and on top of that they are cheap and available very early in the game (around turn 12 i think)

How useless are Hammerers?

I would just stick to Iron breakers but they keep throwing their satchel charges while engaged in melee and it's fucking over the units sat next to it

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>>151298201
>cheap
300 upkeep isn't what I call cheap laddie
Anyway personally I prefer the Alamans' Bejeweled Nobles or the incredibly memeworthy Gothic Warband.

>>151298246
Hammerers are great
Also disable fire at will and put melee mode on

>>151298246
Why do you think hammerers are useless?
>I would just stick to Iron breakers but they keep throwing their satchel charges
You can turn off fire at will

Is bretonnia going to be free dlc?

>>151298341
Suebians have upkeep cost reduction faction bonus, and also you get other reductions from skills and technoloy. You end up with ~200 upkeep cost unit that tears apart everything that is not a heavy axe infantry.

>>151298404
I may be engaging wrong, or my army comp is wrong, but they always seem to incurr the most casualties in the melee, second only to S L A Y E R S

>>151298598
Speaking of axe infantry, those norse two-handed axes are fucking hilarious if you charge into stationaries
>80+ charge bonus

>>151298151
you could just pit chosen against goblins

>>151298620
They take a lot of damage but deals more usually, i mostly use them to flank

>>151298916
So what's the proper endgame Dorf army comp then?

>>151298749
Yeah, the huscarls are the best shock infantry in Attila bar none.

>archer with weak against armor trait
>rout gyros in a few seconds
Kek

>>151298749
Yep, axe infantry dominates in Attila, especially those armored variants, too bad only few factions have access to them. Those factions also happen to be some of the best in the game, especially Tanukhids that are basically broken in single player.

I really, really, really just need to fucking vent. Because Steam is so fucking racist and misogynist, and Valve seems to refuse to want to get up off their lazy asses and fix it.
I'm a huge fan (Or rather I used to be a huge fan) of the Total War franchise, but one of the biggest gripes I've been having with the newer games is how whitewashed and streamlined everything's become. This really starts to show up after Shogun 2, and is a big reason why I'm not planning on bothering with future games . This is especially bad in Rome 2. Egyptians are Arabian looking even though Egyptians at that time period would've still looked ethnically "Black". Rome is 100% white for some reason. It's really, really embarrassing. So, thankfully, I've been able to find a few mods that corrected that:
http://i.imgur.com/ep2Fk3L.png
... Then I scrolled down to the comments:
http://imgur.com/9PPwOcj
Then I was like, "Oh, this can't be a pattern, there has to be another mod that maybe doesn't have a trash comments section-"
http://i.imgur.com/RvkwtMD.png http://imgur.com/9PPwOcj
GOSH. And so I went and checked this other guy's mods. Not only are they downvoted as hell, but...
http://imgur.com/QN9Otwo
So I went to the guy's page, and I noticed that he did a really interesting drawing of an Egyptian God...
http://i.imgur.com/TqxQSE5.png
Y'all Know what's coming
http://imgur.com/kKV3ql9
The worst part is that it's not even just this game that has this bullshit.
http://i.imgur.com/I128urs.png http://imgur.com/qj1DTMC
The same dude ended up doing a review calling out all of the racist comments. Just look at his "liked" ratio:
http://i.imgur.com/p08QOGy.png http://i.imgur.com/xkg9ipI.png
So at this point I'm 100% done. For the record, I actually HAVE reported all of these comments to Steam Support, but because Steam Support doesn't actually moderate for shit, these comments are still up. I just can't take it anymore.

>>151299446
AP damage in general is stupidly broken. It confounds me why if axes are so good at everything, why anyone would use swords.

>>151299607
Die.

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>>151299607
disgusting man-thing

>>151299607
L O L

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>>151299607
This is quality cancerpasta

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>>151299607
THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE END TIMES, SO YOU GET ASS RAPED BY HUNG HUNG

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>>151299607
Wew laddio

>>151299607
gas the bikes race war now

>Azhag cant use the big waaagh!

Why is this allowed

>>151299607

That's some fresh pasta

>>151300528
>gassing the town bike
Why? Women are superior to men. Landwhale SJWs btw are disqualified from being women.

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>kill 9 full stacks of enemy in less than 5 turns
>they still haven't run had enough
oh boy here we go again

i like how there is so many large battles in attila, as opposed to warhammer where every faction collapses once you beat its main army

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Alright you fags

What are the best mods for Rome 2 aka which mods turn it from a stinking shitpile into a playable game

>>151300890
Be careful mate, they're slowly upgrading their troops.

>>151301062

Ancient empires

>empire campaign
>chaos come
>forgot I had chaos divided installed
>a bloodthirster is leading an army straight towards Drakenhof

I'm scared

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get rekt fucking urks

Which is the comfiest faction to play as in Warhammer?

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>>151301343
and you grobi scum too

1-33 Spain
34-66 Holy Roman Empire
67-99 Hungary
00 - go gay

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>Rise of Persia v3.0 will never be released

>>151301145
Is Ancient Empires related to DeI and can it be used with it?

>>151301842
He's meming you
Ancient Empires is for Attila and is widely expected to completely obselete Rome 2.

>>151301985
Alright. I should've put a "no meme answers" disclaimer so it's my fault.

Either way, until it comes out, what are the best mods for Rome 2?

>>151301554
G _ _ _ _ _ S

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>>151299607
tip top tippity lawl

>>151302146
DEI with Human Factor is okay I guess.

>>151302146

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=185988641

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>>151301554
Empire and Dwarfs are comfy with all their artillery.
Vampires have slow expansion which makes 'em comfy too.
Once we have Bretonnia they'll probably be the most comfy ones.
Sitting in your castle, drinking fine whine from Bordeleaux, Wood Elves kill Beastmen for you and Border Princes, Estalia, Tilea and Empire kill Orcs for you.
Except for the occasional norscan raid, bretonnian life is great for the nobility

>>151301554
Vampire Counts most definitely.

Corruption is mildly difficult to spread outside your own borders, but it'll surprise you when you're building up infrastructure and you see your neighbor taking attrition in his own territory.

Conquest isn't difficult at all, most cities can be island-hopped to, and in battle you get actually fun and useful magic.

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>>151302338
>norscan raids
FUCK ALL NORSCANS

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>Medieval III still not announced

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>>151302293

>141,567 Current Subscribers

>>151302293
Isn't Radious a meme mod filled with fantasy shit?

>>151302686
What would it even be though? It'd just be Medieval II remastered, without the traits, without the cool pope, without unlimited armies, without unlimited buildings.

>>151302954
Sounds perfect.

Who is Karl Maraz? My units reference them all the time

NORSCA

>>151303084
>I want a new game
>okay what do you want
>an old game with shinier graphics and bugfixes, but with half the charm taken out
How about no? What's even the point of Med II if you're not going to have hilarious trait combos and fruitcakes?

>>151303279
Stop being autistic, the new games are way cooler than the old ones.

>>151303252
SOOOOOOOOOO

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>>151301079
FUCK this one was much closer
Turns out Desert Chieftain can beat Suebi Champions 1vs1 if they get a charge, at least on legendary

>the next total war will still keep the shitty building system we have now

I mean I'm not saying the rome 1/medi 2 city management was the best but it was

can we get something a little bit interesting than, "oh gem mines, ok done, and a barracks, ok done, now I never have to touch this settlement ever again until it's level 3."

>>151303374
>new games with shitall for traits are better than the old traits
>completely illogical hardcap on armies instead of just based off upkeep - just code AI to rarely make a new army without filling a 'quota' of stacks
>4-6 buildings per settlement
New games have a lot of improvements but they have a lot of problems too. You have a hard-on for medieval era. That's okay, but we don't need a third installment of med before shit like TW Asia or TW Empire 2.

Is any of the DLC worth it in Attila?

Any factions worth playing that give enough of a fresh experience to warrant 10-20 bucks?

>>151303216
Ghal maraz

>>151303492
>rome 1 city management
pls no
i don't want to slaughter my own population every dozen turns

>>151304012
factions are all just barbarbarb
desert kingdoms get twice the fun with religions
slavs get poison and godawful roster and get to be the first guy molested by huns

>>151303216
The brother of Karl Franz and former Emperor.
Sadly he died in a tragic accident with his warhammer (afterwards named Kingslayer) and you need to finish that quest with KF so he can finally overcome his crippling depression from losing his brother and use his mighty warhammer to unite Men, Dwarfs, Orcs and Vampires into a single Imperium of Mankind.

>>151304012
Charlemagne was pretty cool

>>151304012
charlemagne and desert factions are good
the rest are meh

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God dammit, Grimgor

>>151304430
I bet the slavs still bought that DLC
And I bet they're still bitching about it on total war forums as we speak

Is the Reikland runefang even worth getting if you have Ghal Maraz?

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>tfw the only way to expand more is to backstab your long-time trusted ally

>>151304902
Bitching about what, a roster so overpowered in city defense it rivals a full Palatinae garrison in FotE or a Persian garrison in the same?

>>151303216
Ghal Maraz is the warhammer given to Sigmar by the dwarfs. Symbol of the Emperor. The warhammer wielded by Karl Franz is said to be the real one by imperial officials.

How do I horde in Attila? I'm playing White Huns and just wiped out the Sassanids but don't really know what I should do now as far as building or creating new hordes.

>>151305125
I thought dwarfs took the real one back

>>151304942
Guest battle is fun I guess.

>>151305095
Slavs don't need a good reason to bitch. The fact that there is room for improvement at all means that slavs are perpetually bitching about it, it's like a rule of nature. What comes up must come down, water is wet, sky is blue, slavs are eternally butthurt, more at 11

>>151305275
Rumors only.

>>151305552
>implying human would be able to know
That's almost writing in the book

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>>151304998
>it was your plan all along to betray your ally and you're so prepared that you cripple their entire military the first turn

>>151305457
true

>assassinate
>critical success

the best feel

>>151299607
Where on the forums was this posred

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>>151305924
>assassinate
>95% chance of success
>critical failure

>late game
>cant lose
>allys drag you into war
>dont want to piss them off because they are holding down entire flank
>they totaly mismanage the war and let two armys run all over the place
>have to send all my forces from my various offensives back to handle what amounts to a small faction

Cant the game just give you an economic victory or something. Ive won, but this is a grind?

gotta get my chevos :^)

>>151306081
>hero just came back from being wounded

spears are useless in attila, right

>>151306356
What makes you think that

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>>151304012
>Is any of the DLC worth it in Attila?
this gets asked every thread, in fact I am sure its been answered in this thread already: EoS and AoC are good, TLR is pretty fun as long as you play loyalist expedition, Celts are ok, Slavs are overpowered as hell and boring

What do you get on Archaon after you maxed out the yellow tree?

>>151306504
they seem worse against infantry than everyone else and not very good about cavalary either

Explain to me like I'm an idiot how I can recolour BI units textures. I have paint.net and all of the right extensions, but there are no guides for this. All I want to do is recolour some of the Roman units so that they work for each other (ERE purple Auxilla Palatina and so on).

>>151306356
Not really. Sort of. Good against horsefuckers and they're fine in campaign.

The problem is in multiplayer and building the most cost-effective army is necessary. Spears simply aren't cost effective because they get smashed no matter what. A braced, deep-formation spear wall is still going to lose AT LEAST half it's men on the charge. Your best case scenario is essentially trading a spear unit for a horse unit. At that point you might as well have a sword unit that will fight better against infantry and perform equally shitty against cavalry.

There used to be an old strategy where people would bring spears with their cavalry to win a flank or whatever, but now that strategy is pretty shit. The best thing to do is bring heavy shock infantry like 2-hand axes behind your cavalry, and send them in once your horses clash and the enemy can't withdrawl without taking massive losses.

Most people just take swords because spears don't beat cavalry decisively-enough to be worth it over a sword unit.

>>151306710
They're pretty good against cav though.

>>151306781
As long as you tangle the cav up from two sides, the enemy is guarenteed to lose like 80% of their cav trying to withdraw.

>>151306945
They're not good enough though, especially against heavy lancer cav or camels. The low-tier ones are shit and the high-tier ones are still charge-bait at 5 times the cost. The extreme deadliness of cavalry pretty much ruined spears in Attila. They're still good in campaign but pretty useless online.

>>151307235
Did he say online though? When someone says "shit in [game]" to me that sounds like it means they're asking if they're useful.
Also, they're pretty tanky in my experience and don't get rekt as hard if they don't countercharge.

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>intelligent
>phlegmatic
>uncompromising
is my master assassin actually autistic?

>>151307437
>don't get rekt as hard
>as hard

key words there. In previous total war games, any cavalry stupid enough to charge head-first into a spear wall would be lucky to get 10 kills. They'd be slaughtered mercilessly. In Attila, that same head-on charge will kill at least 40-50 men instantly and starting hacking away at another 40 or so before they start taking casualties themselves. The fact that people can defend small towns from full stacks with a single unit of scout equites should give you a decent picture of how fucked the balance is.

Spears are undeniably the most shit they've ever been in a total war game.
Still moderately useful in campaign because they AI is batshit retarded and is still worried about charging them. If only they knew that charging a spear wall in the flank is actually worse than charging a spear wall from the front, and yet they always go for the flank, get shot up, and then countercharged.

>>151308204
I meant against infantry, actually. They're a very good anvil because they're tankier than most swords if they're forced to stand still - I'm looking at you, Testudo-Cornuti.

>>151307235
ethiopian spears are interesting in that sense, because tor warriors have counter cav tactics and some of the lighter spears have a large charge bonus and melee attack, they are the only faction where it makes sense to back cavalry with spears instead of shock infantry

they also have two handed axemen with bows, pretty interesting roster all around

>>151307960
Lucky you. All my available assassins are always inbred to some degree or other.

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party hard

Helstorm Rocket Batteries - yes or no?

this is for fighting chaos and orcs

I'm not a fan of cannons or the mingun unit

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Do melee unis have a range? I noticed shielded spearmen have smaller spears. Not really worth the +25% price.

>>151309983
What was your tank doing?

>>151309019
> skeleton unleashes his inner strength and upper-cuts barbar with the force of a thousand spooks.

>>151309232
good against orcs
bad against chaos
replace with another unit of demigrups

>>151310267
He was on the sidelines. Not close enough to have a fear aura.

>>151308204
Pikes still slaughter cav pretty bad tho

>>151310531
>He was on the sidelines.
But why?

>>151309983
No, but, I imagine the shield is there to help protect from missiles
Try defending from enemy archers, or have them go up against large units to test out how useful they actually will be

>>151310908
Pikes kill everything though

>>151307960
And a wicked sense if humour

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>>151311107
Regular spearmen are what I actually use in campaigns. Even if the enemy brings archers, you can just dedicate a spearman unit to run them to the edge of the map, you are still winning since archers costs at least 400+.

>>151300890
>Main Army
Doing MP with a buddy (orcs and VC) and the god damn greenskins have at the very least 8 armies, all 20 stacks, and sometimes they just sit 4 in the same province, while there's one way up north, one east of zhufbar, and several still in the badlands. We defeat 4 armies at a time and in a few turns they are already back with another 80 units at our border.

>>151307960
>scroll bars in the the traits window

what a shit ui

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skeletons are weak to axes

>>151311583
MEant to say Dwarves and Vampire Counts. Whoops.

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fucking huns man
i'm glad to be away from that shit

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reminder of what you are fighting for

>>151312323
Wieners of Warhammer?

>>151304190
Why would you need to do that?

t. guy who last played R1 10 years ago

>>151312454
he's a scrub that couldn't handle public order, probably tried to expand too fast, didn't build his city up properly, kept taxes on high like a retard instead of stacking growth, etc.These people have an easy time with the new games but cant grasp the more complex systems of the older games.

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>>151304998
>tfw your alliance of Empire, Estalia, Border Princes and Brettonia comes apart as they one by one attack each other, until all that's left is you and the Empire, waiting for the inevitable betrayal

Why do I have to wait so much time before sacking something again

Ok so Cannae, is it pronounced "Cuh-KNEE" or "Cuh-NIGH"

bls resbond

Reminder that if a unit will be idle for more than 4 turns you should disband it.

>>151312910
Cuh-nay

>>151312910
Cunny

>>151312323
BY SIGMARS SIZZLING SAUSAGE

>>151312910

kunkka

>>151312910
Cuhnear

>>151312598
>kept taxes on high like a retard instead of stacking growth

>rome 1
>stacking growth
is this some kind of elaborate ruse? did you even play the game?

>set up ambush
>80%
>foiled

>set up another ambush
>80%
>FOILED LEL XD

>set up another ambush
>55%
>succeed

Fuck you Azhag you annoying prick

>>151312598
>didn't build his city up properly
like that matters if you play on VH
>kept taxes on high
doesn't matter you could have a fully upgraded city in Rome 1 surrounded by other fully upgraded cities and it would still have to deal with either distance to capital penalties or magic unrest penalties which means you need to keep recruiting units and disbanding them to lower the population

>>151312910
can-ee
or
can-eye

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>>151313013
>>151313092
>>151313228
>>151313251
>>151313367
srsy guys come on
srsy

>>151313457
>expecting a straight answer from 4chan
Just learn to read phonetics so you can learn it from wikipedia like everyone else.

>>151313285
Yeah retard, keep taxes low and the city's population grows faster and you make more money in the long run assuming you know how to manage everything

>>151313338
it does matter actually even on the higher difficulties, it's easy to keep a population under control with a peasant garrison, low taxes, and the public order buildings. You realize that "unrest" penalty comes from shit like high taxes, right?

>>151313457

bontus

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>>151313694
I am not satisfied with this

>>151313745
>Yeah retard, keep taxes low and the city's population grows faster and you make more money in the long run assuming you know how to manage everything
yeah, and enjoy that massive penalties from squalor that will inevitable make the populace rebel
i bet you play on easy so you wouldn't know anyways

>>151313979

Going by that - Canny or Can Eye.

>>151313745
Unrest is the worst mechanic in Rome 1 and it's affected by more than if the taxes are high and by peasant garrison I hope you know that means a full stack because it takes that many and then some extra disbanding. Unless you just mod in some more public order to settlement walls so you aren't getting negative public order on settlements with epic walls.

>>151309983
I believe shielded spearmen have more melee defense. Not sure how significant that is for 100 more points

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>>151312910
>>151313457
>>151313979
>his language isn't phonetic
lmaoing @ u mate

ive always pronounced it internally as can-n-eyy

>>151314353
>not pronouncing it See Ay Enn Enn Ay Ee

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sounds legit

>>151314086
step 1)don't build past communal farming (creates squalor)
step 2)grow your city as fast as possible to huge, and then stagnate the growth so it stays steady and squalor doesn't get too high
step 3)if necessary, recruit full stacks of peasants and move them to smaller cities and disband

It's really not all that difficult to manage.

>>151314216
peasants are cheap as fuck it really doesn't matter. I always thought it was neat how you could transfer populations via peasants. In that way, your gigantic cities helped to build up your new cities on the frontier. It's the game's way of saying squalor is inevitable in an ancient society and you have to move around your populations before they get too big. I actually like that mechanic

>>151314332
find me the man that decided to make english so retarded and I will invent a time machine so I can go back and punch him in his faggot face

>tfw the Ebdanians from Ireland are invading Corsica
why

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>>151314332
>having a phonetic language
>not having a special snowflake language nobody can learn

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I've never seen a shitty tier-1 bow unit get so many kills

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>>151315643
Get fucked barbar shits this garrison isn't even my final form

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>>151314910
>step 1)don't build past communal farming (creates squalor)

>>151315884
I don't play on easy faggot, you don't think it's cool that you can create mass migrations, unlike the new games where every province exists in a vacuum and you have to wait for them to grow independently? I don't understand exactly what you're trying to prove by telling everyone you're incapable of managing cities without killing off your populations

>>151315883
>Roman Garrisons
It's fun right

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Anyone have every square?

>>151316081
Oh wait, I've just read that you can actually recruit peasants to move them to other cities and avoid overpopulation that way in Rome 1.

I guess I was in the wrong here.

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>>151316107
I suppose, the barbar ones eventually get night raiders which are better than scout equites, they're both really good. I think the romans get like one extra unit or something idk

meanwhile in a settlement with a IV garrison building

>>151313287
In one of my VC campaign i took the skill to get +ambush with manny and was always detected despite having 100℅ chance

>>151316523
There are things that increase chances of spotting armies, like Empire Witch Hunters get +7% or so. So you were at 93%.

>>151316831
I wasn't fighting the empire

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First time playing N:TW.

Is the european campaign scripted like the italian one?

I just want to play a regular grand campaign like in the other TW games.

>>151317115
Regular campaign is not scripted.

>>151317079
that was an example, there are lord buffs and such that give it too.

>>151317115
play Euro or coalition campaign then. Italian and Egypt are like the DLC campaigns in future titles

>>151269460
>>151276514

>>151317242
>>151317363
problem is how rushed these campaigns feel. You have to reach an objective across the map in an extremely limited number of turns. As france, you're literally blitzkrieg'ing the russian frontier trying to capture moscow before you run out of time

>>151317545
historically accurate

Best mods for Empire?

>>151317881
Radious

>>151312910
CAN-AY

>>151317881
Darthmod

>>151317881
Ottoman Overhaul

>>151317881

no floppy hats mod

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if i seriously lose this now i'm going to shit myself. all my units were tier 1 garrison units.

>>151317881
The one that replaces Karl with Manny.

>>151317881
Denmark Army Mod

>>151318735
DELETE THIS

>>151307960
>Otker

>>151317994
>>151318735
>some people giving WHTW mods

>>151318552
>>151318686
>>151318969
>some people giving ETW mods

wew

>>151318552
Is Darthmod considered good? I don't know anything about it.

>>151319620
it has cool new units and skins and much-improved battle AI, probably the best you'll find, which is the biggest flaw of Empire. They actually form coherent battle lines and actually try to maintain them

>>151318861
>enemy winning combat
worry.jpg

>>151319620

Darthmod Napoleon is easily my favourite vanilla + experience. The AI is challenging and on the offensive is really damn aggressive.

>>151320019
i lost
it felt a bit cheap how i almost-won anyway. i just fire-arrowed them, got lucky in killing their general and then the next thing i know 1000s of them are just running away.

doggers

What the hell counts as militia for Empire anyway? I'm trying to get "The Meek Shall Inherit" achievement, and I've got some shieldless spears to full gold, but still no achievement.

>>151322191
Doogs

>>151322374
Greatswords

>>151322538
Har. Well, I guess I should have expected this. I'll find it on my own.

I miss spooky.

So, how the fuck do you play as the Tanukhids? They seem to have a great roster, but the campaign is fuck hard constantly being hunted by the ERE and everyone else and starting with shit for units.

>>151322960
I don't understand how it would differentiate between militia and not. Swordsman is literally the only variation of it's class. Greatswords are slightly different in a tradeoff way, then there's shield/ no shield spears, etc...
There's no tiered units it seems.

>>151322960
I think your settlement garrisons=militia. That makes it doubly difficult to earn.

Loredudes: is it a bug that Hellcannons are Unbreakable, or do Chaos Dwarfs never back down? I feel as if they were going for unbreakable as in the hellcannon itself is indestructible. It's really annoying, having to hunt down those manlets.

>>151323528
I don't think it can be that. The full text of the achievement implies a lower level unit- "Get an Undead/Goblin/Chaos/Empire militia unit to the highest level of experience." I don't think any goblin units would equal greatswords.

>>151324150
Criminy. While that would make sense, it would also SUUUUUUCCCKKK.

Though I do like that garrisons retain experience. I wish I could customize garrisons a bit more than with just the buildings.

>>151324418

I don't see the achievement really being possible outside of Multiplayer. It sounds retarded if that's the case.

>>151324418
Noncustomizable garrisons are cancer, I wish you could add more after you got the garrison building
Like seriously fuck I don't NEED more fucking swordsmen, I want slingers.

>>151324938
>>151324418
>>151324150
>>151323528
>>151322960
Wait never mind. Googled it. According to some dude on the steam forum, apparently you can just recruit max rank marauders via hero and lord talents and get the achievement.

Post in question: https://steamcommunity.com/app/364360/discussions/0/357287304440663568/

Sorry about that. Hope somebody else wants this achievement and this helps them.

>>151325014
It'd be nice if the garrison buildings just let you recruit units to the slots. Maybe that would be a bit overpowered, maybe to compensate you could double upkeep costs if these units weren't recruitable in the settlement that you're garrisoning. Maybe even make the culmination of the tree be a special general that you can assign to the town or province that you can't have leave the province or something?

what the consensus on warhammer? i liked atilla

>>151325356
You could just have units cost more and more upkeep the further you go over the garrison's default. An extra archer costs 100 upkeep, the second one costs 200, the third one costs 300, etc.
Like no it makes no fucking sense that when I have gold flowing out of my eyes that I can't put an extra archer in Constantinople.

>>151325646
I just want to do as in M" where you could spec each settlement to have specific troop type + buf/armour/weapon building, and recruit from all to rally onto a specific general so you could muster a proper army well quick.

Fucking who thought removing that was a good idea back when Rome 2 was on the drawing board

Who

I want to strangle them

>>151325621

My favorite since Rome 1. The factions are alllll really fun to play but some things are lacking, but what's lacking is the same shit that's missing since Shogun 2, really. The performance is really good, for once. Only have problems on the max settings when I zoom in all the way to some trees with the better camera mod. Definitely get it on sale or now, if you really wanna.

>>151325646
The fact that having an army sitting around guarding your towns invariably leads to that general getting shittier and shittier traits doesn't help.

>>151325621
It's fun, in an arcadey kind of way. I personally like both the historical strains and this latest divergence to fantasy, but I've never been a Europa Barborum sort of player.

The sides are all very different, but as of right now there are four plus another two DLC that you'd have to buy. Magic can shift battles, but not too tremendously (Barring CA fucking up the balance in another patch, but that's just the risk we all have to bear) so you shouldn't rage as a fight you should have won turns around on a single fireball. Hammer and anvil is still the order of the day. I never play multiplayer, but apparently that's a mess with all manner of overpowered builds making it unfun. So if you're in it for multiplayer, beware.

For what little counts, Attila is my favorite Total War game, and Warhammer Total War is now my second favorite, and they're neck and neck now. I've always been the kind of loser that likes the 'feel' of a campaign, and Warhammer's campaign has that in buckets. Whether you're an unstoppable greenskin tide, humanity holding on to existence by the fingernails, or the unyielding apocalypse of Chaos, each campaign provided a great play through for me.

Is lore of the wild still S tier after the nerf?
I mean, it still has the ability to summon a cygor and does decent damage, right?

>>151326183
Unit sizes are downright minuscule though.

>>151326643

I mean, devolve is still good. But I'd say it's A tier. You might as well take a bray shaman over a cygor, if you can, but you could also just take a Death Bray Shaman instead. Don't forget the map wide +24% speed from Wild Bray Shamans. That is absolutely insane for any beastmen army.

>>151326792
If you play on Ultra size and download the mod that increases unit size, it's pretty massive but I don't like it since it's just too many for me. 160 greatswords and black orcs is just OTT, imo.

Can someone explain lore of shadows to me plz?

Once we get lore of life the meta will change dramatically, its such a needed group of spells that will make battles last much longer.

Cant wait to be able to use my lord against Chaos, Vamps, Orcs, or beastmen without fear of losing him to a spirit leech.

Empire will be strong.