/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

PvP was a mistake.

>>151257231
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>>151257506
more? source?

>>151260125
no, arena was a mistake
dueling signs are a mistake

>>151260179
This. It should just be invasions and summons.

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DLC TRAILER NOW, LOOKS FANTASTIC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

>>151260343
epic stuff anonymous

>no summons
>never invaded
>summon
>always invaded

wow good game

>>151260413
>invade
>can get invaded too
>play like a solo faggot
>stay solo

>>151260343
Still stuck in 2009 huh?

Kakyoin Poster is the only reason I still visit this shithole

FUCKING FAITHFAGS FUCK OFF

>>151260343
Hmm, I wonder what this could be, I mean the title's right there but who can really say...

Damnit, tricked once again, how could I be so foolish?

>>151260726
ok kakyoin poster

Why must poison be so shit why why why

>>151260982
>no buffable fire weapons
>only one weapon that comes close to being pure pyro
c'mon from

>>151260918
Calm down Patcheszaki

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>farm 30 swordgrass for wolf ring
>pose is still shit

you guys got me. you FUCKING fooled me. happy now? FUCK you

>>151261227
dumbass!

>get to vordt
>equip bluebabby
>pop finger
>wait for invaders
>hide in the boss room
>watch blues and reds fight

this is too fun

>>151261307
>Watching other people play
> fun

>>151260982
Poisoning people is illegal senpai

I'm having fun as a SL60 Aldrich Faithful pickaxe user. Is it still viable if I level to 120 at some point?

>>151260982
it's really good at low levels where people don't have moss

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>>151261227
>farming those 3 goats on the bridge
>those times when those two spear faggots manage to juggle you with their retard flailing
>those times when their body falls off the bridge with an item
>drop down
>poison gem

>>151261473
it's an outright fucking torture for a host
you can pretty much poison them then hide and there's nothing they or their phantoms will be able to do to stop their death

>>151261880
They can enter boss fog

>>151261927
That's why you invade early stages

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What's is you favourite enemy in the series Lads? mine is probably the Black Knights the I love their design and fighting style

>>151261994
The giant wolfdogs are really cool and are a fair fight

>>151262052
>hit them in the face
>collect your free critical
>they either die or lie on their back waiting for you to finish them

Ain't nothing fair about that.

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I wish From would remove the Dusk crown and dragon rings and boost base damage to compensate
I mean there's no "melee damage boost" rings apart from stat rings, why should there be any "magic damage boost" or "pyro boost" rings instead of having the damage inherently? It would give us a lot of variety

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>>151262052
>and are a fair fight
infinite left and right swipe spam with a hixbox that lasts 10 seconds and covers half of lordran

>>151261227

So did I get that right that full poise is always 100 and poise increasing items just decrease the poise damage to my 100 poise and I have no way of telling how much poise I even have left unless I memorize some yet unexisting weapon poise damage chart which means by `"hyper" armor is unreliable as fuck?

>dogs
>no poise
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>151261994
those machete wielding demons in Smoldering Lake are fun to fight

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>>151262232
this is what I'm talking about

I find them pretty fair in that I can roll through their attacks as long as I don't get greedy, and 4-5 straightsword hits to the head = visceral, but it's a risk since most of their attacks are so fast

>>151262228
>fap boosts stam, hp and equip load but not fp
>only ring that boosts fp cuts you hp by even more than it boosts

>>151262301
dude fuck those niggers hitting you through walls

>>151262212
>hit something in the head with a giant weapon
>it gets stunned
seems fair tbqh famalamaashjkahvghagvfg

>>151261994
Fighting giant snakemen with a greathammer.

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>>151262249
Poise is convoluted in Lothric

>>151262381
wear the +2 attunement ring, spend the stat points on vig, then allot more ash estus :)

>>151260179
PvP was a mistake.
The game is balanced to be PvE mainly, with PvP being only a bonus. If you want PvP, play Chivalry.
I wish Chilvary had a PvE mode where you fight against zombies.

>>151262318
>straightsword hits

That's why you think it's fair.
Stop using broken weapons and you'll see the game for it's true colors.

>>151261880
*pops a giant seed*

; ^)

>>151262917
>not giving the giany seed to the crow

>>151262917
>giant seeds
>high wall or settlement

>>151262574
PvP was pretty okay in DeS. It's when they started shoving all this covenant shit and arenas did it start taking a toll on the game. It should just be invaders and summons.

>>151262917
oh no, how could I ever deal with these enemies that die in one hit to my +2/3 weapon

>>151262318
>4-5 straightsword hits
Well with a straightsword or carthus most enemies in the game are piss easy

>>151263062
DaS is pretty shitty compared to Demon's Souls or Dark Souls 2 when you only take the lore in consideration.
>Demon's Souls
>only one kingdom suffers from a demonic invasion, the others are still safe unless you side up with the ancient
>Dark Souls
>the entire fucking world is going to shit and nobody really know what to do
>Dark Souls 2
>we're not Anor Londo, but we have our own ways of dealing with the curse, so even if the Flame dies, we can find a way to survive
>Dark Souls 3
>nope, flame is dying, people are returning to their primal hollow form, and the pontiff is a massive faggot who tortures and feed prisoners to Aldricht

What a fucking shitty world to live in

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>>151261568
>implying that's even bad
Try killing a Crystal lizard and then accidentally kicking it off the ledge.
Or worse yet, try farming for a Pure Bladestone.
I've seen less of them than I have seen Channeler's Tridents.

>>151262997
You never invaded there did you

>>151263282
apart from twink gankers I have never ever seen seeds at high wall, settlements, cathedral or even catacombs

>>151263273
At least Demon's Souls smithing system was engaging, creative and intricate enough to feel good to max a weapon.

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>>151263230
>only one kingdom suffers from a demonic invasion, the others are still safe unless you side up with the ancient

Wrong.
Latria isn't Boletaria yet it's fucked up too.
Shrine of Storms and Valley of Defilement are clearly their "own" places as well - the Nexus connects 6 different nodes placed across the planet on which Demon's Souls takes place.

And the Deep Fog is swallowing the whole world slowly.

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>Scirvir looks so cool in loading screen
>in-game he's a stuttery assgoblin
Why?

>>151263349
It was kinda obscure but I miss having a reason to go to levels you already visited to farm for different upgrade mats.

>>151263542
Boletaria isn't just the castle. It's an entire kingdom.

>the Deep Fog is swallowing the whole world slowly
Yeah, but slowly and it disappears if you sent the ancient one to sleep.
Meanwhile, in Dark Souls, the entire world is gradually fucked up and people from all the world are coming to Lordaeron.

>>151263815
>Lordaeron
Holy fuck I dun goofed

>>151263815
>>151263886
>Lordran and Lordaeron were both fucked up by the undead

>>151263796
That comic would be perfect if the doll asked him 5 times the same thing and he almost answered no to the last one

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>>151263815
>Boletaria isn't just the castle. It's an entire kingdom.
Yeah, but Latria is it's own kingdom ruled by a Queen.
Shrine of Storms is like a Nipland because it has all the samurai influences.
Valley of Defilement may be within Boletaria and StoneFang Tunnel most likely is, but neither Latria, the northern land of the Giants(which is NOT Lordran) are Boletaria.

Does DeS have a lot drop-only gear?

>>151263796
>that last frame
STR builds in Dark Souls.gif

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Is the skill discrepancy between controller and kb as prominent in Souls games as it is in fps?


I have played with controller since DeS and considered myself a god and a top tier player but when I lose while drunk I question my merit.

>>151264127

Souls is way too slow for the difference to matter.

>>151264049
fuck

>>151264060
That doesn't mean anything. Latria could be Boletaria's vassal and the Queen could just have a honorary title but with the same rank than a Duke.

>Lordran
Yeah, that's the name. I keep forgetting it.

>>151264005
>they both had the prince going rebel

>>151264102
>Does DeS have a lot drop-only gear?
Enemies don't drop their sets and I think Vendors pack most weapons / armor that aren't static drops.

>>151262301
>trying to get bone shard near demon ruins bonfire
>dodge one fireball
>hit by 3 fireballs at the end of the roll
>repeat until dead

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>>151264196
That's what I thought, I've played fps probably twice as long as Souls despite souls being my favorite series. I just wanted to make sure that my method of play wasn't to blame for my losses. I'm a min/maxer, that slowness you mentioned is the reason I haven't played DaS3/BB yet, it looks way too speedy which removes a major strategic component of the game.

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>>151264102
Some things, yes. And these items are tied to World Tendency which basically means you have to play offline to obtain them. It's not that problematic though. Most of the world tendency based items aren't that good. Refer to the wikidot section for indepth info.

Am I the only one thinking that the Souls gameplay would work perfectly in a sci-fi setting?
>breaking things you're rolling into can be shrugged off as implants
>reviving can be explained by some quantic room rebuilding you (like in System Shock 2)
>lightsabers, chainswords, thunder hammers

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>>151264724
>Am I the only one thinking that the Souls gameplay would work perfectly in a sci-fi setting?

Why do people bother with rhetorical questions like this?

>>151264724
we've been talking about this for years
you can even fit ranged weapons in it if you go for dune-like force fields

>>151264938
>we've been talking about this for years
I SWEAR
EACH FUCKING TIME I HAVE A GOOD IDEA
SOME FAGGOT GOT IT JUST BEFORE ME
IT'S BEEN LIKE SINCE I WAS A KID

>>151264571
you can use an offhand crossbow to shoot the fireballs. if you don't go far into the room, not all of them will be shooting at you and you can lure out the demons to fight them one on one and hide behind the pillars to avoid the fireballs. i think it's a good strategy, it works in NG+6 even if you can't oneshot fireballs with sniper/heavy bolts anymore (probably can with Heavy Crossbow though, i haven't tried)

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>>151264724
"Souls gameplay" is more than just superficial mechanics.
The core of the Souls series isn't this mechanic or that, it's "slow, methodical melee combat based on observation and resource management". Well of course, the "slow" part is questionable, but the series up to Bloodborne and DS3 had much more...deliberate gameplay, and I think that transforming that into a sci-fi setting would make the slower gameplay feel a little "clumsy", and turning the series into a full-on action game would dumb it down.

That's not to say I'm fully opposed to a "Cyberborne", but I just honestly prefer vastly the Dark "alternate history" even though it's not really set on "Our Earth" kind of universes.

Having things like swords and polearms be grounded in historical equivalents gives the setting much more inherent relatability than just completely reinventing things.

>>151264724
>lightsabers
>sci-fi
kill yourself

>tfw 50 VIT build

It actually fucking works, holy shit.

Key is to stay under 100 though, or you get REALLY out damaged and the defence you have is kind of evened out.

VIT + persevearance weapons = sex. Persevearance bumps me up to pretty much 70 absorption during the hit, I'm close to 40 passively, that's without the shield ring.

Red hilted halberd and fists is pretty much my bread and butter.

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>DMB is one of the few buffs that doesn't have the paint dip ugly ass color overlay
>is locked behind hours of grinding and faith based
JUST
U
S
T

>>151265240
too bad absorption is capped at 25 for pvp

rip

>>151265240
pro tip steel protection ring only give you 2% physical resistance against other players

I can't believe the godless scum worship the devil and play with foul magic instead of praising the holy one....

>>151265297
Try wearing the dark ring with other buffs

>>151265323
>too bad absorption is capped at 25 for pvp
please no

>>151265297
Why would anyone choose that ugly ass purple over lightning blade i dont know

>>151265129
I just want a game where bosses are a little more passive, but have quirkier attacks. I really like the Old Demon King for that, because you can beat him without abusing your i-frames too much, just by paying attention to what he's doing.

And I'd really like an excuse to roll all the time because it's the third Souls game I play and I still find the idea of someone rolling in the middle of a fight incredibly silly.

>>151265428
The same kind of person who plays a female character in Souls games.

>>151265323
From what I've seen that's bullshit. I'm tanking players with noticeable raping of their damage.

I'd like to see some info on that though.

>>151265512
Well, I'd wager more of your defence comes from your 60 VIT raising your base defence by a fucktonne.

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Idea for a NG+ Jolly Co-op :
Host and 3 Phantoms cosplay as the 4 "posterboys" from all the games (except Demon's Souls because there's no Fluted Set) :

>Dark 3 : Knight Set
>Dark 2 : Faraam
>Dark 1 : Elite Knight
>BB : Leonhardt's / Hunter.

>>151265297
>60faith buffs are 30% worse than ds1 30 faith buffs

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>>151265738
This is a STR weapon with a 30 faith buff in Dark Souls 1

Meanwhile, Morne's Hammer at 40/30 caps out at like 600AR. Buffing Great Club in DaS3 you'd have to be like 99/99 to get this kind of AR

>>151265716
>Dark 3 : Knight Set

FEEBLE CURSED ONE

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Idea for a NG+ Jolly Co-op :
Host and 3 Phantoms cosplay as the 4 "posterboys" from all the games (except Demon's Souls because there's no Fluted Set) :

>Dark 3 : Knight Set
>Dark 2 : Faraam
>Dark 1 : Elite Knight
>BB : Leonhardt's / Hunter.

Bonus challenge for the Co-op :
>DaS1 Knight fatrolls
>DaS2 Knight has to hold a torch in the left hand for the entire game
>Hunter should have a crossbow with explosive bolts in the offhand to simulate the gun and only use unusual looking weapons

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DaS2
Mastodon Halberd
For PvP;
Base requirements, rest of the points into health/stamina
or
40 STR, base dex requirement
or
base requirements, 50 FTH, lightning infusion and sunlight blade and sacred oath
or
base requirements, 50 INT, magic infusion and crystal magic weapon

WHICH ONE LADS

>>151265716
>still no doujin where the Hunter is getting rekt by the Moon Presence and calls upon the Souls undead to help
It would be the ultimate covenant of bros.

>>151266010
firelink armor looks like dogshit

>>151265716
DS3 posterboy is SOC

>>151265941
why would you make your game 10 times uglier with retarded post processing?

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>>151266010
Yeah, I know that Firelink set is the "official" posterboy but the love child between Fluted and Comfy Knight is who appears in the fanart to represent the "Ashen One"

>>151266056
>he thinks 40 STR will get him more damage

>>151266112
Because that's how Afro does it.

Oh GOD KING ALLANT IS SPREADING ME APART

MY MIND AND SOUL IS JUST A DUMP FOR HIS ROYAL CUM

>>151266056
DS2 scaling is fucked so whatever floats your boat.

>>151266326
Allant is love, Allant is life.
Spread your buttcheeks for him.

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>>151265898
BANE?

>>151266285
>he fell for the "DaS2 scalings suck" meme

kek
everytime

>>151266013
I think a better thing, would be token builds from each game.

DeS
>Great Machete + Dark Buff
>Ancient Dragon Shield on back
>Basically cursed DBS + birdbrains shield

DaS1
>Oro faggot build with elite knight + dmb/lightning falchion

DaS2
>Havelyn

>BB
>Cainhurst with Bleed build katana + sniper cross bow or something for gun wannabe

>DaS3
>Darksword Fallen Knight

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>>151266326

>cestus doesn't have S strength scaling
Into the trash.

>>151266494
>DaS1
>giantmom with chaos blade and GCS on back
fixed

Does only the physical damage part of a weapon get the counter damage? I am running a chaos infused rapier, so I am curious.

>>151266515
>all those dex weapons that are actually quality

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>Roll a mage
>Have to pee
>Hide in a corner and hope nobody invades
>Get back
>Notice that the light reflecting off of my mail breaker looks odd
>Realize that the character holds it with the blade up and is hitting people with the dull side

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>>151266494
That'd be a "PvP co-op" build and that'd be pretty fun.

>>151266568
Problem with that is the mask stuff though

Orofaggot is the only one you can actually pull off

Maybe chaos blade pyro faggot with the black hemmed set lookalike

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>>151266601

>all those 'faith/int-weapons' that are actually just quality/str/dex weapons with an Int/Fai requirement

>>151266636
what I don't understand is why you slash with it, it's clearly a thrusting weapon meant to break through mail, hence the name

>>151266730
What is that image from? Getting stabbed in the eye is my biggest fear.

>>151266687
Pick one

posterboys or metapvpfag builds

not both

>>151266730
>int /faith cap has always been 50
>increase it to 60 for no reason
>3 non negotiable rings

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>>151266060

I want a Soulsborne anime of the protags hanging out together and doing co-op fun.

>>151266857
That's tanimura balancing for you
Only instead of physical builds being forced to use special rings for added damage now it plagues caster builds

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>>151266824

It's Sigma from Zero Escape.

His eye isn't his biggest problem though.

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>>151266979
wut

the

FUG

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Shenanigans in full swing i see

>remove soft caps
>nerf fast weapon stamina cost and damage
>add ds2 style poise which is basically a mix of ds1 and ds3
>make heavy armor block more damage
>remove sorcery / pyromancy boosting rings and crown of dusk and adjust sorcery / pyro base damage to compensate
>speed up all ultra weapons and greathammers speed
>redo the way split damage is calculated to compensate for shit like dancers twin swords
>add blue eye orb
>can't summon phantoms while invader is in your world
>seed of giants acts like dried finger
Did I fix the game, guys?

does bkgs really have a true combo?

heard someone mention r1 r2 or something

>>151267206
r1
turn around and r2, letting the backswing hit enemy first
turn around immediately and let the r2 swing hit enemy
Don't charge that r2 or your opponent's going to roll

>>151263542
Boletaria is both a kingdom and a region. The Maiden explicitly states that the nexus holds together the northern land of Boletaria.
Basically the kingdom of Boletaria doesn't encompass all of Boletaria, a lot of like some real kingdoms.

>>151266762
Such weapons often had an edge for the sake of versatility, but the caveat here is that to cut someone you can't hit them with the fucking spine.

>>151266574
Does anyone know?

>>151267145
shit I missed
>slow down gotthards rolling l1
>rolls cost as much stamina as a halberd / drakeblood swing
>rolls are divided into 4 tiers at 25, 50 and 75 with differences being much more noticeable
>buff offensive miracle damage

>>151260125
and yet 80% in this general is PvP related

really ... makes you think...

>>151266574
>>151267581

I found out.. Wow, this is completely fucked up. "normal" weapons counter absurdly hard in comparison to infused weapons. What the fuck from.

>>151268070
I've heard something about infused physical weapons (Heavy, Sharp, etc) aren't the same form of damage as uninfused weapons. Is this true?

>>151267875
>80% of Dark Cancer General is PvP related

Exactly.

>>151268008
>Fallen Knight without the cloth

Is this legit? Holy fuck

>>151268008
>that fallen knight without the cloth

MY DICK

MY DIIIIIIIIIIIICK

I WANT THAT SO FUCKING BAD

>>151268374
>>151268695
http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls3/mods/48/?

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>>151268695
>>151268374
Here's a pic, anon

>>151268889
oh fuck

>>151268889
>>151268797
>local mod
But I want others to see it too.

Fucking from. Why don't you give me the option to turn clothing off? White armor is so much better.

>>151266979

Oh my god why
What is he doing

>>151268228
Don't know anything about that, but here's my numbers from testing right now.

Rapier with 95 + 43 damage did 89 -> 133 depending on counter.

Chaos rapier with 87 + 10 and 104 + 92 did 208 -> 231.

Looks like counter damage is ONLY physical. Ridiculous.

>>151269284
what

>get summoned
>lead guy to a shortcut
>he black crystals me
>get summoned
>guy is fighting off a watchdog
>help him kill
>he black crystals me
I hate hosts

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Is this an okay setup for early game SL 1 run?
Never done a sl 1 run before in any of the souls games.

>>151269427
>magic shield
for what purpose

>>151269397
?

>>151269427
priestess ring allows you to use raw ass
don't know if magic shield would be much help, seems like dodging would be better

fap could give you some extra stam

deep rink + dusk crown + priest ring lets you cast tears of denial

>>151260091
>tfw kind of want to play in a DaS1 pvp but I never fought another player in the game except for a few invasions

>>151269685
We should totally organize a /dsg/ DS1 FC someday

>inb4 everyone brings a chainmom

>>151269284
>Looks like counter damage is ONLY physical
it was this way in ds1 as well, not sure why people are surprised

>>151269284
Counter damage only works for thrust.

"Counter damage" is LITERALLY your thrust absorption going down at end of your attack animation. Open the menu during it and see yourself.

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>>151266979

>>151269846
You'd think they learn in game nr 3.

>>151268889
>>151268695
it's almost identical to the drakeblood set

>>151264724
>>151264938
>>151265010
If we were to have a Sci-Fi Souls game, I always see Phantasy Star Online as being a good base. Less anime though, but looking back, the atmosphere and weapons could work well.

>>151269753
desu I have only seen one FC, and it was being streamed on twitch. It looked pretty boring since it was all ninja rolls and fishing for backstabs. Maybe it'd be cooler with /dsg/, we could use a bunch of different weapons and fashion souls

>>151270171
no, souls needs to be more anime

>>151270176
If its similair to the ds3 FC's its going to be only a small percentage of 'meta' shitters hopefully

>>151270270
Maybe we could even organize a SoTFS FC one day too

>>151269930
the main function of elemental weapons is to provide support to the caster who also has ranged tools, they shouldn't be able to utilize the full damage potential or physical damage type of the weapon like pure melee builds do, or there would be no meaning in physical builds whatsoever

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>>151270360
one day anon, one day

Do the majority of people here play on pc?
I'm a poorfag console player

>>151270596
yup

>>151270596
As long as you weren't retarded to get a xbone, you're good. I've played with PS4 people even if PC is the majority

>>151269618
makes it so grass crest has 100% block and 18 more stability, which gives it almost 70 stability with no upgrade.
>>151269669
Can't get priestess ring until after dancer, consumed king and gundyr tho, I am not twinking by giving my char end game gear from my main characters, that would defeat the purpose of a sl1 run wouldn't it?

>>151270596
not only is 60fps better on all games, but in a game like dark souls where frames actually matter, pc has a far better play experience

>>151270715
Yeah I bought a Ps4

>>151270782
You can kill those as soon as you have carthus jam

>>151269962
It looks nothing like it for an armor autist like me

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>just realized Dark Souls 3 is shit

>>151270782
Why do you need a shield though? Your best bet is to roll and magic shield only lasts 30 seconds.

>>151271347
I still think 2 is worse except for the PvP. Especially vanilla. No wonder they managed to improve it they even had the duty to because they had the nerve to re-release it and want money for that even from peopel who owned all of DS2

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>>151271347
But it isn't.
It's merely disappointing because it had the possibility of being GOTYAY and instead currently it's merely "a really good game but the multiplayer fizzled out because lack of variety".

>>151263062
>>151262574
If we didn't have the multiplayer and complex multiplayer mechanics, all we'd have is the same 5 guys talking about how we like to jerk off over our favorite waifus and the occasional new player coming in and asking shit that we'd tell to gtfo.

I hate the tryhard scene, but that's what's keeping the game series alive honestly.

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>>151271637
>complex multiplayer mechanics
Come on, man.

>>151271637
>>151271597
>responding to a shitpost

>>151260091
Ok can someone explain exactly how do you get proper bow and crieghton shit in one playthrough?

>>151271637
I don't think it is, if we were left with only coop/invasions, we'd still have plenty to discuss.
All the RSS brings is FC talk(which we more often than not could do without), some youtubers people like to shit on and a few events/stories

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>>151271958
>how do you get proper bow
There's one at High Wall next to the first Pus of Man.

>>151271958
>clear cathedral
>kill Heysel
>join fingers
>summon Heysel
>do not return to shrine until you beat AW and Wolnir
>kill doggy
>help Sirris
>go past church of Yorshka

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DLC! DLC!
WHERE IS IT MIYAZAKI?

>>151272102
What about dreamchaser ashes?

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>>151271991
None of the covenants except the Dragonfags work through dueling.

>>151272171
Just do normally with them, I was only talking about the parts where you might fail

>>151271576
Because I'm shit.
It lasts for a minute apparently, so 80 seconds with lingering ring on.

>>151271958
>Proper bow requires you to summon Heysel for Abyss Watchers
>The only way you can summon her is by offering a Pale Tongue to Rosaria
>Creightons gear requires you to help Sirris kill him in Irithyll, which is after Abyss Watchers
>Sirris disappears if you offer Rosaria a Pale Tongue

Basically, you literally can't.

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>>151271958
Someone has to drop Creighton's gear for you.

>>151272237
Which isn't even in 3, I don't see the point

>>151272078
What? I never saw that. Where exactly?

>>151272378
Everything changed yesterday

>>151272102
Alright can I still do this if Sirius has shown up to my shrine after meeting anri? I haven't spoken with Sirius at all yet.

>>151272612
Just go right from the first High Wall bonfire, reach the top of the little tower, kill the undead archer and the pus of man and next to them you'll find a proper bow. 14 DEX requirement though.

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>>151272612
Yeah, I'm sorry, I thought you meant a bow (weapon) instead of a gesture.
I didn't mean to mislead you, I was just mistaken.

>>151272612
Yes, her summon sign there appears if
>you've talked to her once
>got her to offer her sign after dreamchaser

Keep in mind you fail if you ever return to the shrine after the tongue

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>>151272612

>>151272738
I have feeling you're just joshing around here and it will still fail and anon will waste many hours getting to Irithyll for no reason

>>151272902
He could just backup it then, you can do it in less than 2 hours. It's just a gesture, albeit a very cute one

>>151272102
>>151272738
OK so in fine to speak with Sirius the first time and then summon heysel for Ab right?

It's just I can't return to shrine until after helping Sirius on the doggy bridge?

What spawns her tag there? You just have to kill the dog and use a bonfire then go back and her sign is there right? Or do you need to have done something good extra with her for it to appear on the bridge?

Reeeeeeee how the fuck do i beat phase 2 of abyss watchers? Sl27, 23 vit, raw uchi +3 at min stats, no armor, no shield, flynn's ring

I cant seem to find a window to punish without getting fucked by the instant attacks from his left hand dagger or the massive fucking hitboxes and lingering fire hitboxes
What do? It's a blind first play, but fuck, you fight like only 2 or 3 bosses before this.

>>151271637
>complex multiplayer mechanics
HAHAHAHA

>>151273082
Remember to give dreamchaser ashes before joining Rosaria

>>151273151
Put master's set and a headband at least

>>151273082
Yeah, kill the dog; rest at the central bonfire and run back

>>151273151
Always have armor on, 69% is not that different from 0% equip load

>>151273230
Will do
I found the sellsword set and it has a neat headwrap
Why armor though? Doesn't that decrease flynn's extra damage for a tiny increase in defenses?

>>151273151
>23vit for AW
>STILL can't win
lol

put some armor on dumbass
your extra 1 damage from flynns isn't worth shit, use a resin instead

>>151273354
Actually, there's a secret hidden penalty for empty slots, it's very significant.
You can take off the ring

>>151273482
Wew
Hm, let's wear the mirrah stuff then

>>151273354
IIRC the difference between no armor and knights armor is bigger than knights and full havel
Flynns gives you maybe 2 extra damage
Games retarded I know

>>151273564
Wow, holy shit
Memeazaki cmon, barechested muscle warriors are great, why nerf them so bad?

recommended upgrade and SL for cathedral of the deep coop?

>>151268889
Literally Bloodborne but with a helmet.

>>151273837

>>151273837
So not literally Bloodborne.

>>151273151
I remember having a hard time with it too on my first playthrough.
I recommend being patient and wait for him to finish his combo before punishing it. sometime's he'll just poise through and the lingering fire in the air will hit you too.
Like people are saying wear at least master's set. Gloves and chest from swordmaster at firelink, loincloth at the tomb with Velka's statue and ragged mask at the swamp to the right of the wall when you go outside of the bonfire below the long ladder.

>>151273801
30 +4

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i haven't lost to pontiff once

get on my level

I might bind L1 as kick when I'm 2handing a heavy weapon. I suck at inputs and I've accidentally kicked too many times and lost for it.

>>151274413
ikr I love gotthard

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>>151274774
At least Gotthard isn't as useless as Anri, jesus fuck they're incompetent as shit, even sometimes dies super early when helping them with Aldrich and you literally can't do anything about it.
Anri is a shit waifu/husbando

>I DIED TO FUCKING LEECHMONGER
>BLESSED WEAPONS CAN'T BE INFUSED WITH FIRE

WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY

>>151274938
From my experience Gotthart is completely useless while Anri survives through the fight

>>151274938
>hollows
>being good waifus ever

3 has an awful waifu selection, the only good ones are references to other shit

>>151274938
>>151275037
He's talking about the sub30% rolling l1 bloodring cancer.

In Dark Souls 2 they didn't even bother to make greatswords not float above your shoulder

>>151269427
i recommend using an offhand crossbow too. sl1 run is more fun in NG+ and beyond because you can use a whole bunch of different weapons thanks to rings - i went through 6 cycles using nothing but straight swords and Bandit's Knife and that was a horrible mistake - now i'm actually trying different weapons and it's the most fun i've had since release. Sharp Barbed Sword is Better than ASS for some fights, but the difference is probably not that noticeable in NG. Bloodring is very good, it allows you to make really stupid mistakes and get away with it

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>having a hard time fighting the storm nigger and nameless cuck with the astora greatsword
>switch to the longsword
>melt him in the first try
>literally got 3 stagger criticals on him by just spamming R1 while I got none with the AGS
man hackazaki really did not want people using anything but straight swords in his bloodborne lite, this is so fucking terribly balanced

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>/dsg/ in 2016

>mfw was anxious about the Pontiff fight
>got all my bleeding weapons ready
>reaper, japanese blades, bandit knife
>decides to try him once with my usual +5 straight sword and +8 spear
>spear does shit damage, switch to sword
>kill him on my first try
...
Well.
That was anticlimactic. I didn't even thought of throwing dung pie at him.

Thanks to the Anon who suggest to stay close to him avoid his the side with the dark Sword.

>>151275536
I thinink the 1h club is even better because it staggers more.

>>151275204
but Anri and Gotthart are both summons for Pontiff so are you absolutely sure about that my friend?

>>151275784
>Anri is summon for Pontiff
Great. Another quest that I fucked up.

>>151275561
A group full of PCFCBFs!

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Wondering if anyone can give me their thoughts on this and whether I should jump straight to DaS 3 or not.

>Got Bloodborne back in September
Total scrub but had a fair amount of fun
>Got to Yahargul Village before a busy few months of work kept me from playing as much as I'd like
>Other games came along
>DaS 3 also came out
>Made a personal rule that I'd have to beat Bloodborne before getting it, even though I continued to struggle to get to actually playing it
>Pick up Blooborne today, now it feels a bit like a chore

Anybody else been in a situation like this? I also just sort of prefer the setting/aesthetic of DaS to Bloodborne, but I know I'll be missing out on some top tier stuff if I skip ahead.

>>151276021
I've been in the same exact situation when I tried to play Dark Souls after finishing Dark Souls 2.
>that clunky movement
>lack of colour, everything is brown
>slight delay just before a roll
>old ass textures
>the option screen opens on inventory rather than equipement

>>151276021

Play DaS 3 first and then come back to Bloodborne. See which one you prefer and then you'll be able to form a choice based on your own testing.

Personally replaying BB after DaS3 was the best feeling ever because of how DaS3 felt like a clunkier BB

Someone please give me an excuse to make a pyro build on DaS2. Post a webm of someone getting nuked by a Forbidden Sun or some shit. It's just... All pyromancies are so short-ranged... And they have huge cast times, and fucking Great Combustion takes half your stamina. All popular PvP armors and shield have good fire resist too, so...

>tfw i like dark souls 1 better than 3
I dunno, the combat felt more measured, like if you watched and got good you could punish virtually any attack
In 3 it feels like you have scripted places where the enemy is vulnerable instead of organic openings

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/poise

>mfw
I've never been redpilled THIS hard in my life.

>>151276542
There's no reason to. I did it but it's the shittiest pyromancer build possible in series. If you want to play as a pyro you do it in DS1 or 3.

>>151276593
Because every enemy has a bazillion hit wombo combo with almost zero openings in 3 while in 1 they are slower

how badly did caestus get nerfed?
just got longsword spammed from 100-0 without getting a single parry

It's been a few days, but I finally decided where to go next.

We're off to the skeleton realm. Wish me luck guys.

>exploding skulls

>>151276694
That's nothing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_07Q1g-sdJ0

This is insane(and mostly useless)

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hate the fact that boss/unique weapons have no +3 equivalent upgrade level

>>151277729
>can't use vestiges/ snake/ black flame
"pyro"

also with one more str you can use lorian's gs, which is ~650 after the buff, which lasts longer now and is easy to activate

>>151278120
Idiot.

>>151278120
Moron.

>>151278120
Jackass.

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>>151278336
>>151278361
>>151278445
s-sorry

>>151278120
Baka.

>>151278120
Retard.

so i shouldnt buy ds3 if i am mostly interested in pvp? i loved ds2 pvp

>>151278120
Churl.

>>151276593
Popntiff is like the case and point of this
Massive fixed attack sequences with no openings followed by a large gap of inactivity where you're free to attack. Rather than finding and exploiting openings, your only goal is to survive until they let you hit them, and repeat.

Ironically, straightswords, katanas, daggers and thrusting swords are all fast enough to poke in between the attacks in a chain from an aggressive boss like pontiff, but nothing else can without trading hits. It's painfully obvious that virtually the entire game was designed with straightswords in mind as the ONLY weapon which mattered, and the ONLY weapon which players were used, and then allowance for non-straightsword weapons added in simply as an afterthought.

Consequently, this is why Champion Gundyr, the only boss in the game with organic openings, is also the best boss in the game.

>>151278646
Those two have the more infamously bad PvP if you're concerned with invasions. They do both are quite fun for duels, unless you meet a higher level player who plays in an annoying way.

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>PvPing
>my weapon has perfectly accurate hitboxes
>enemy can frontstab from across the map

>>151278646
DaS3's pvp is very much like low-skill DaS1 pvp. In fact, it's basically all of the worst parts of DaS1s pvp, mechanically, minus backstabs.

>>151278983
>STILL refusing to play as a qt mage

>healing when i'm a solo host
i hope you feel embarassed

>>151278983
>swing at somebody
>they swing at me at the same time
>the last 1/3rd of my weapon intersects with their model, cuts through it, and comes out the other end
>no hit registered
>the attack of their stubbier falls short of me by almost a full character's width
>take damage

>>151279126
>letting twitch kids deciding how you will play your game.

>>151278842
Das2 PVP>>>>>>>Das3 PVP>Das1 PVP

>the Orphan of Kos has wings on its back that grow during the fight because its actually Ocelotte, child of dragons
>Kos was the Queen of Lothric
What other lorebombs have you discovered today, anons?

>>151279297
I'm talking real PvP, invasions. Duelfags are cancer

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>Washing Pole

>>151279571
i can't parry: the post
i cant use a 100 percent reduction shield: the post

>>151276542
Lingering flame is literally one of if not the best spell for pure caster in PvP in the entire dark souls series.

Just make sure you cast one or two while the enemy is buffing and then protect the zone where they are. If they try dashing or roll spam through then spam big nukes and they get hit by both or at least one of them

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>>151279681
>just parry it, bro

>>151279681
Post a webm of you parrying pole, I'll wait.

Shield is legit though

>>151279516
im talking about invasions too i dont give a fuck about duels, das 1 pvp was awful on general, invading in das 3 is disgusting, the only decent pvp is from das 2

>>151279160
>complaining about invaders healing

>>151279759
>>151279848
>being THIS bad
back to /lgbt/ ;)

So, I finally got around to finishing Dark Souls 3 on NG+ and I gotta say.. I was seriously disappointed.

SL 140 ending, strength build with FUGS.
I had no trouble throughout the entire playthrough, I did the Yuria ending, and I was really expecting there to be more challenge in the game.

DS2 added extra enemies, the red phantoms and shit. Remember those two that sandwich you on that narrow mountain trail before the Skeleton Kings? That fucked me up more than a couple times.

DS3 had nothing. I didn't even find any extra boss soul weapons to make. I loved how DS2 teased you with that fake moonlight sword, then you can actually get it in NG+ which made it feel really rewarding.

In DS3 we just get some + rings and enemies have a higher health pool and do a bit more damage. I didn't even notice the bosses having any extra abilities or anything.

>>151278646
you shouldn't buy a souls game for pvp

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>>151275561
>he thinks /dsg/ has changed significantly
The tripfags have decreased, but the faggotry has not.

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Why is Nameless kings skin charcoal black? The rest of his families isn't

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>>151279859
>soul memory
>finite orbs you need to farm or increase your sm
>cannot use any switches, open 90% of doors or operate 90% of elevators
>cannot phase through any enemies effectively locking you out of parts of the levels
>seeds
>cannot heal with consumables while host has 10 types of them 9 of which go to 99 stack
>host and his butt buddies are able to turtle in warmth which is even harder to punish than estus in ds3
>invasion time limit
>npc phantoms with 5k hp and infinite spells everywhere in sotfs
Anyone who thinks DS2 had good invasions deserve to get stuck in that shit game for the rest of their lives.

>>151280238
>you can actually get it in NG+ which made it feel really rewarding
Or you can use an ascetic to get it early.
The ascetic were neat.

>>151280238
>2016
>people still go on about DaSII's NG+ as if it's a PvE masterpiece

>>151280381
It's the same colour as Gwyn's and as the giants.

It's not skin, it's stone -the thing all of Gwyn's race are made out of.

>>151280306
could someone explain who the fuck is emodragonz? i haven't been in here long enough to know

>>151280238
ascetics made entire ds2 ng+ worthless
not like it had any worth to begin with because ds2 pve is the most atrocious thing in series

>>151280453
Spotted the DaS3 fanboy.

>>151280381
he's all hollowed out bro

>>151280559
Epic
DaSII's NG+ is better than the others, but that's because it's compition is literally nothing.
Tossing a bunch of extra items and enemies about isn't that impressive, and demon's did a similar thing but with world tendency and that was miles more interesting and didn't require you to beat the game.

>>151280695
>compition

>>151280486
> it's stone -the thing all of Gwyn's race are made out of.
...
No.

>>151280381
He's gone hollow. Lost his Soul. Just like Gwyn before him, who lost his Lord Soul by splitting it up and sacrificing what was left to the First Flame, he is mostly just an empty shell.

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>>151280238
>Remember those two that sandwich you on that narrow mountain trail before the Skeleton Kings? That fucked me up more than a couple times.

I just did that part a couple of days ago, and my thought on it is that :
Yeah, extra enemies and ambushes like that is neat, but I wish they tried to follow the game's internal ruleset that enemies don't just poof into existence, they clearly come from *somewhere*.

Otherwise yeah, I like that they added shit or at least changed it up a bit.

>>151280453
It's not, but I'd like to see the other games with better content try to mix it up even to the degree that DaS2 tried to do.

I already have more hours in DS3 than I have in DS2 that I've owned since launch but I have very high hopes for the DS3 DLC to improve on the replay value of the game, at least the DLC portions if nothing else.

>>151280916
wonder if he'd be hostile if he wasnt hollow

>>151280916
>Lost his Soul
Literally, factually incorrect.
If he didn't have a soul, he wouldn't have access to Sunlight Spear.

The Nameless King is specifically mentioned as having inherited the power of sunlight (a deliberate throwback to DaS1, where you could offer Gwyn's soul to the NKs altar to recieve Sunlight Spear)

>>151281141
yes

because he isn't full hollow
he puts his burd to rest, a mindless hollow wouldn't do that

>>151281119
I still just can't help but feel jipped in the scenario.

I mean the game was already piss easy.. And adding an inch of health more to the enemies, and giving them an inch more damage to deal didn't make it any harder. I'm pretty sure if I didn't kill myself a bunch of times for the Yuria ending, I wouldn't of had a death for the entire NG+ playthrough.

>>151281119
>DS3 adds ng exclusive enemies
>ten black phantom facerape ghrus all over the farron swamp
>black phantom crab in upper swamp
be careful with your wishes

>>151281307
Try running through

>>151276939
Only the recovery frames got nerfed, not the active parry frames.

>>151275536
This bothered me too, had a ton of staggers with the twinblades, but not even one with the dragontooth. Do the bosses only stagger if you do enough poisedamage in a certain amount of time?

>>151281394
okay, make Hodrick invade and wait you on the ladder between upper and lower swamp
good luck running from that motherfucker

>>151281293
>>151281257
Not all Hollows are complete jibbering wrecks.
We meed several Hollows that can speak, or near-hollows that still retain a fair deal of their sanity and power.

He probably has a small fragment of his soul left, that we claim when we kill him, but most of it is clearly gone.

>>151281517
>waits for you ON THE LADDER
The absolute fucking madman, holy shit

>>151281307
Phantaom ahead therefore try sprinting.

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>>151281307
I wouldn't mind that honestly.

>Black Phantom nothing personnel skellymen
>BP UGS Lothric Knights
>BP Firethralls in Grand Archives
>BP Grave Wardens in Cathedral approach
>BP Lothric Spear Knight at High Wall
>BP Snek Axeman

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>>151281307
>red phantom chain snek
>red phantom carthus shotel skeltal
>red phantom darkwraiths

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>>151281621
and one his punch fully drains your stamina

>>151281657
>about to run across the bridge in the catacombs
>black phantom skellyball starts rolling down the stairs from wolnir towards you

>>151281257
You didn't offer anything to nk in ds1. He wasn't in ds1.

The statue was of the first born

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>>151281657
>black phantom abyss watcher in carthus catacombs

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>>151281773
>they add new, smaller skellyballs in the level one per every NG cycle
>last one adds a skellyball that comes from the Wolnir boss door onto the bridge

DS3 DLC when?

>>151281942
Holy shit.

>>151281951
>black phantom Abyss Watchers in Wolnir's bossfight

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>>151281942
>there are people this dumb

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>>151282101
>black phantom Vordt and Dancer in Pontiff's boos fight
>upper level is filled with BP Deacons raining fire on your ass
>if fight takes too long they will curse you

>>151281942
Congratulations

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>>151281942
>Nk
>Not the first born

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>>151282290
TOO FAR

I just beat the lost sinner in DaS2:SotFS, and I've g ot 7 levels worth of souls.

Currently I have 25 in adaptability, which is the soft cap for resists, but I'm wondering if its worth putting 6 of those levels into ADP to get 105 agility to get DaS fast roll.

Its only an extra iframe but this seems a bit pointless.
The rest of my stats are: 8 VGR, 20 END, 11 VIT, 6 ATN, 11 STR, 26 DEX. I rolled a swordsman in the beginning. Alternatively, I'm feeling like levelling my dex so I can power stance some dual falchions. Do I need to level my strength too?

>>151281696
>carthus skellies
>difficult
hit them with any attack of any strike hammer in the game and they fall on the ground and you can stunlock them this way infinitely
they're probably one of the most trivial enemies in the entire game

black phantom thralls

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>successfully make a twink
>invade in catedral
>nothing but hosts being babysat
>by 2-3 other twinks
If you need 2 or 3 friends to spoil the game for you, that makes me feel like a saint in comparison.

>>151282670
jesus christ how do you get by with so little health?

you'd get one shot by any strength build at a similar level, and they'll be able to just poise through your weak shit attacks while they wind up and swing.

>>151281942

#/dsg/