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>>150888503
one NIGHT, not day retard.

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First for pain and suffering

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>>150888618
>defeated

>>150888604
if i have multiple devices can i do this multiple times

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xth for theme of priests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcdYBh3hgg

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2 mana 3/6

battlecry: deals 3 damage to itself

there we go, priest earlygame fixed and resurrect decks made viable in a single card

Purify could be a 1 mana card that silences ANY minion and draws a card, and it still wouldn't save Priest from the trash heap.

>>150888732
No it is linked to your Amazon account

>>150888745
>2 mana 3/3

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F

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NA
Firask#1959

>>150888795
Shamans get a 4 mana 7/7 and Warriors get 2 mana 3/3 with charge, what's your point? You're a moron if you think a 2 mana 3/3 would be overpowered

>>150888503
>including good cards on that image

YOU FUCKED UP ANON

>>150888823
Now that is how you make a quest help post

Picture of quest
server
and battle tag on its own line so you can double click it to copy it easily

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Will this make innerfire priest better? Nobody talks about this little fellow. Seems really good in buff decks.

>>150888892
The point was that these cards were lazy designed

>>150888927
If you PW:S him hes a 2/4 or a 2/5 if you coin it out

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>trades with almost all 4 drops and ALL 3 drops
>hurr its bad
lmao

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How do you guys like my Purify buff? Im an official Hearthstone card designer

>>150889086
I wonder if the effect is before or after, like triggering stuff like divine spirit and innerfire.

>>150888663
because it was neutral, so classes that actually had synergies with silence could make use of it. not really the case for priest.
>>150888927
It'd take too many spells to bring this up to a decent size.

>>150888503
Can we also change that to 'An /hsg/ Adventure' ?

>>150888823
Thanks anon

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Thank you to the anon who posted this deck a couple of nights ago.

It's not the best but its fun as fuck.

I made some small changes to it and I'm actually excited about Kara now.

>>150888503
>>150888880
>Owl can be used by all 9 classes instead of just one.
But it's still an objectively terrible card by your own reasoning. As kripp would put it: "it's LITERALLY like paying 2 mana for a 1-drop! How is this possible?"

>Has a body.
>Beast synergy.
Drawing a card is obviously worth more than a 2/1 beast, especially to priest.

>>150889086
Worthless, Paladin can make it 3/5 or 3/6 in comparison, where it can actually fucking kill Trogg/Mana/Void.

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>>150889198
can someone make a high class zeriyah version of it?

>>150888604
Could you buy cardstone packs with that $10?

ITT please write fics of Anduin being raped by all the other classes

>>150889273
I know. Im just trying to find ways to make due with what priest has

>>150888604

>android only

at least I have a reason to use nox again

>>150889125
turn 1 pass
turn 2 hero power face
turn 3 hero power face
turn 4 priest of the feast -> gets executed for 1 while opponent summons a 2/2 and continues hitting face

good plan shieldbearer

>>150889317
i hate zeriyah

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>>150889125
>trades with almost all 4 drops and ALL 3 drops
>hurr its bad
lmao

>>150889195
Still probably pretty good with the paladin +1/+2 card that hasn't found its place yet.

>>150889125
It should activate whenever a minion takes damage IMO. Then it'd be great.

>>150889435
i like it

>>150888927
>this + divine strength = turn 2 3/4
>this + coin + divine strength = turn 1 3/5
>synergy with steward of darkshire

Best of all:
>turn 2 this + hand of protection = a legit fucking minibot

I'm going to try that nigger for sure.

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Does this save *insert class here*

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>>150889317
since she use to be a escort

>>150888503
malchezar imp will be extremely powerful

>>150889435
This should activate as a deathrattle from another Kil'jaeden.

>>150889435
>10 mana 7/8 that does nothing
Consider yourself hired!

>>150889125
it's bad because priest has a truckload of other 4-mana cards with similar strength.

>>150889250
It's a terrible card for priest.

>>150889554
>2 card minibot
Whoa

>>150889327
yes, you can also buy 2 adventure wings with it, which is more bang for your buck

>>150889435
10 mana 7/8
No card text.

No really, what is this card trying to achieve? If you want a lategame card to destroy secrets, you want something cheaper so you can just kill your opponent through block with burn.

There are like a total of 2 playable stealth minions in the game.

By turn 10, player hands will be small and you will have seen most of their deck. You should be able to reasonably know what they have in hand.

This card does nothing in control and doesn't protect you from aggro or swing the board.

>>150889720
>implying minibot is not worth all the cards in the world for all the ptsd it has caused to shitters

>>150889719
It's blatantly meant for Shadow Priest. Cthun already has a 3/6 and face healing, Circle priest has Auchenai and Champion, Shadow Priest synergizes poorly with all of those things but uses a lot of spells.

>>150889749
I downloaded the app on my phone and literally just made my account, can't find the nigger game, fuck me.

>>150889435
I'd take it for 8

>>150889916
search hay day game, i think that makes it come up

it was sorta hidden

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Which one boys?

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>>150888927
>Turn 1 arcane anomal
>Turn 2 Purify
>Turn 3 Concede

>>150890031
At least Nat is a good early play that you can RNG into not fucking you over.

>>150889719
You haven't given me justification why. It's not "mana efficient" but owl is even less mana efficient. It gives draw which is better than a 2/1 beast for priest. It has a nerfed silence, but according to you silence is only worth 0 mana anyway, and it still serves the primary purpose Zetalot himself used Silence for. What's the problem with it?

>>150888604

does this actually work? do you have to actually play the game or just download it?

>>150890031
Jesus fuck what is this
I'd go with Anomalus because it's awkward to remove if you're behind, and decent if you're ahead becasue it's still 8 attack.

Not that it's great, but it's noticeably less bad than the other two.

>>150888503
>https://hsdecktracker.net/

Is this the same add on that allows me to see my opponents cards in hand?

I had some guy beat me today and afterwards he friend request and talked about cards I could or should cut. I didnt know how he knew I had them and he informed me it was a program.

How the fuck is that even allowed?

>>150889913
you have a point. still, I don't have high hopes for feast priest, the effect doesn't seem too useful for a class that can heal for 2 each turn.

>>150890320
Are you retarded or something?

>>150890279
just download it, most people say they launched the game once, so there is no confirmation on whether you have to do this or not

if anyone knows for sure feel free to comment

>>150890031
Boogey you retard, it's actually playable. Picking Anom is retard bait, because it counts on you losing. Nat is pure shit.

>>150890031
Boogeymonster has no drawback compared to the other two and is almost guaranteed to go at least 1 for 2. Pick Anomalus only if you're a literal servant of Yogg-Saron and a devout believer of RNGsus. Pick N@ only if you like to hurt yourself.

>>150889435
>spend your entire turn to do absolutely nothing

why are OC fags so retarded?

>>150890320
You don't see any cards on hand, it only tracks the cards which were played by your opponents. If they are not played from hand, they show up as question marks in the log.

>>150890031
Boogey - it's just a below average late-game card. Anomalus is too slow if you're behind and loses you the game if you're ahead. Nat is stronger than average but still not that good, ad potentially loses you the game. You could pick Nat.

>>150890358
I don't have high hopes for any priest, but I'm not going to be mad about getting more deck support just because other classes are getting ridiculously overpowered cards. I'd rather get mad about the overpowered cards.

Imagine if instead of getting mad at patron people got mad at other decks for not being as strong as patron.

>>150890320
It just tracks the cards you've played, not the ones you haven't.

You can also just guess what other people are running if you play a secret and they never proc it or if you play 1 copy of a card, they assume you have another.

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>>150890320

>>150890284
>I'd go with Anomalus because it's awkward to remove if you're behind, and decent if you're ahead becasue it's still 8 attack

>playing anom when you're ahead

literally asking for your whole board to be cleared with 1 fireball

>>150889125
Of course, did people expect for 4 mana, a 7/7?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>150890492
But Jaraxxus destroys your hero when you play him

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JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING 2 DROP FOR PRIEST, BLIZZARD

>>150890382
>>150890595
I dont think so no

>>150890512
>>150890576
Is there a program that does that though because he knew the cards I had. And this wasnt like a normal deck. This was some priest deck i was messin around with and the card eh specifically focused on was PW: Tentacles

is it easier to get rank 5 in standard or wild?

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Control Shadow Priest with Feasts, Purifies, Watchers/Statues, Argus/Sunfury, Entombs, and Arcane Giants.

>>150891003
Sure you didn't play him before and he recognized the deck?

Or maybe he would know something like an Inner Fire deck would run PW:Tentacles

>>150891003
Your client receives no data about the contents of your opponent's hand from the server, it is IMPOSSIBLE to gather information client side.

>>150891313
20% winrate.

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>hsg classes
>mfw all these priest cucks
Druid 17 9.9%
Hunter 14 8.1%
Mage 23 13.4%
Paladin 16 9.3%
Priest 29 16.9%
Rogue 26 15.1%
Shaman 12 7%
Warrior 18 10.5%
Warlock 17 9.9%

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Done. Priest saved. Kill yourself Ben Brode.

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>you now realize Blizzard is going to severely overtune Priest in the next expac to appease whining players
Ready for 055 and 477 2.0?

>>150891521
why is this the opposite of ladder?
>priest, rogue, mage biggest
>shaman, hunter, warlock, warrior smallest

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>>150891521
>surprised that miserable edgelords play the worst, most frustrating class

>>150889239
so do you just try to play as much cheap shit as possible to have only fist in your hand if you can? Also go full face?

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>>150891640
>molten giant "needed" to be nerfed
>print thing from below and give shaman a better mountain giant in the same set

>>150891608
2 mana 3/4 with an easy as fuck activation condition.
There needs to be some sort of lasting penalty like hitting yourself in the face

>>150891642
>rogue-mage-priest
tbc nostalgiafags ww@

>>150891640
Well blizzard has been fucking retarded, how can you expect people not to whine?

I'm just waiting for the 4 mana 10/10 with "deal 10 damage to friendly characters" deathrattle justify their shitty card.

>>150891876
That would be true if we were talking about any other class.

>>150890254
well, let me think. Silence/Owl could silence your opponent's minions, and was mostly used for that utility, so you could say that the value of a silence mostly came from silencing the opponent's minions. in that way, silence does have more than 0 value; I'd guess it's worth 0.5 mana, though I could be wrong. regardless of how much the silence is actually worth, that value is taken away in regards to purify, as it only effects friendly minions; silence may be worth 0.5, but silencing your own minions leaves 3 possibilities: you silence a minion with a detrimental effect(0.5, same value as if you'd used a regular silence), you silence a minion with no effect (0), or you silence a minion with a positive effect (is negative mana value a thing?). in two of those 3 situations, the card is worth less than it's statted, and in the 3rd it's worth as much as it's statted; it is, at its best, average. of course, silence priest would try to maximize the 'silence a negative effect minion' situation, but there aren't a lot of those in hs, much less any that are notably above-average when silenced. There's ancient watcher, eerie statue, silithid swarmer, and that's about it.
>>150890552
you're basically describing the Fighting Game Community.

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I bet you guys would like this card.

>>150892063
>spell with a battlecry

masterful

>>150891371
no. I run inner fire but I didnt even get a chance to play it. he beat me turn 5. some insane token druid with an insane start.

>>150891453
well thats one hell of a guess to make

>>150891640
>thing from above
>cost (1) less for each time a friendly character was healed

won't even try to balance the stats but you get the idea

>>150892210
Holy shit you're actually autistic


or a master baiter

>>150892183
its because you gave up

>>150891495
It should win control matchups. Mind Shatter is completely insane against Warrior and feasts+flash heals lets you heal for up to 22 off of 10 mana while fielding threats. With all the bulky minions to taunt up and self-healing you might even be to fit Velen combo in.

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>>150891313
r8 my Silence Priest deck senpai

>>150892063
Brann + this

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>>150891969
Priest has had self harming cards before.
It's part of the 'shadow' archetype that gets attention like once every other wave.

A big brother Flame Imp or Zombie Chow would do some good things for Priest in my opinion.

>>150892376
Mindshatter is 3 damage
Warrior tanks up for 4

It's not good against warrior.

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>>150892542
>HE FELL FOR THE PURIFY MEME

>>150892542
why is Barnes in this deck? There is nothing here that you would want to bring back as a 1/1. Unless you are hoping for something good from Shaping? Not worth it at all.

Not sure what Herald accomplishes here either.

>>150892942
You silence the copies and restore the stats.

>>150892542
needs more sunfury protector/10

>>150892942
when you silence the 1/1 from either Barnes or Volazj it goes back to it's original stats senpai

>>150891608
What this guy says >>150891876 is true.

You could, however, give it the Chow treatment and make it a 1 mana 1/2 so it becomes shit(ter) in the lategame, but it would still have the aforementioned problem.

>>150892986
>>150893058
Seriously? I had no idea it worked like that. Aren't they generated tokens? Why would tokens that are independent from their base card be able to be restored to full value?

>>150893310
Because they are the base card with a debuff that makes them 1/1s

hi i have no friends. would anybody be willing to add me and play a game with me for the play a game with a friend daily?

>>150893310
it summons a copy of the card and 'debuffs' them to 1/1

>>150893310
that's how the game works

they don't make a new 1/1 copy of every minion in the game so that one card can summon it, they just summon a copy with a debuff that makes it 1/1

>>150893310
they're not
they're literally a copy with a 1/1 debuff

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>>150893426
>>150893450
>>150893453
>>150893461
well shit I didn't realize it was a debuff

>>150893441
Misenaive#1392 if you're NA

>>150893310
Because in Hearthstone tokens are direct copies of the cards they imitate with a "set this card to 1/1" (de)buff on them.

It just simplifies a problem the client can't address; whether a card is a token or original.

>>150893612
someone helped me out already thanks though

>>150893798
he didnt even get legend last season

no way he makes legend only running priest

>>150892542
Pull out the midrange shit, put in more taunts and control. It's a little known fact taht you're not actually required to run Blademaster in Priest.

TEMPO
STORM

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r8 my Malygos dick

>>150894154
Lacks Purify.

>>150894318
haha spicy meme I ROFLed!

>>150894154
I would add at least one sunfury protector

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r8 and tips pls

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>>150894154
>and so the MalyBarnes meme decks begin
it's not going to work, man.

>tfw not intelligent enough to play priest

i find the avatarfag more annoying than ocfags desu

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I wonder why they have no exploited the Childrens of Goldshire yet.

turn 3 flamewaker into coin into arcane missles is disgusting

>>150894154
Looks fun.

I think I would rather have a mana tide than curator.

>>150894707
Curator instantly draws you Malygos+its a 6 health taunt, that's pretty valuable m8

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>>150894665

>>150892793
That's 3 more damage than you can normally do without committing cards to the field. Priest has better reactive cards than Warrior, the problem is that Priest has no answer to Armor and thus is forced to play proactively. Shadow Form addresses that by giving them a hero power only slightly less efficient than Tank Up (as opposed effectively no hero power at all normally), and also a way to way to remove things like Ghouls or Justicar without exhausting your limited pool of threats or removal.

>>150894868
not you the one in the old thread that got banned

>>150894914
It doesn't address anything.

The problem priest has always had post tgt is that warrior can just tank up (and to a lesser extent gorehowl) and you lose in fatigue. It doesn't matter if that number is 4 or 1, he is gaining health and you are not. You also have to spend two cards to get that while he only needs justicar and has a bunch of other armor cards to buffer him well above 50 before you even get mind shatter going.

Warrior doesn't need to do anything to win, and priest needs warrior to in order to entomb something. You cannot overcome the health buffer with shadowform, and slowing down the health gain still means you are netting a negative exchange.

Noxious did a full review video on Purify.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QomW87qzZZA

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Can you guys spot lethal?

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Why haven't you switched to Boobverse yet anon?
It may be weeb but it will never have cards like purify.

>>150896059
DDoS the servers and collect your win when sun raider phaerix DCs.

>>150896059
doesnt the game end on turn 50?

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>>150894154
i also made a malygos druid dick

please respond, i only exist for (You)s

>>150896059
Close your eyes and say "thanks based bbrode" in a silent voice and either an Execute or a Shield Slam will appear in your hand.

>>150896180
here you go friend

>>150896125
What gaaem?

>>150896281
Shadowverse
aka
Weebstone

>>150896125
Is it good, though?
I already play a couple of other card games, just not as much as Hearthstone. I don't want to put time into something just as bad.

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>>150896448
That would be Force of Will.

>>150896125
>no PC version

Probably that's why.

>>150896660
I personally like it, the classes play very differently (as opposed to having worse versions of other classes)
>>150896725
>Implying its hard to emulate android.

>>150896125
Jesus christ my eyes

>>150897538
sent

what's the best way to make friends on hearthstone?

>>150897718
Invite people after a good game and say "gg" then comment on something interesting that happened.

>>150897718
play aggro shaman and spam "That's Incredible!"

Where were you when Blizzard ran another franchise into the ground, /vg/? I was at medieval times watching knights beat the shit out of each other with subpar acting skills, it was pretty good.

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>reynad spending hours struggling to get to rank 12 with priest
>made 9+ decks trying to find something that works

kek

>>150898308
>trying to play a combo control deck on stream
fool

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>>150898308
But everyone knows that's a lost cause.

I mean Blizzard was lying, there's not a single fucking good Priest deck.

>>150898308
Deck building is part of the fun of card games, anon.

>>150890492
That "Silence a demon" card should be that but doesn't work that sadly. Need a neutral "destroy a demon" card for players who REALLY hate jarx.

Looking for someone to exchange 80 gold friend battle quests

>>150898540
I don't have a quest but If you want to anyway
Misenaive#1392 on NA

>>150898534
>Silence a Demon doesn't stop Jaraxxus from emote spamming

One job

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I cant find a picture of anduin that this can fit on

>>150898672
nope

Did brode meme everyone abut unicorn priest. Did he just not want to admit he failed the class?

How important is Doomcaller in C'Thun Warrior? I never really get the chance to Brann Doomcaller, and Alextrasza is just so satisfying to use.

>>150899338
he thinks it's so good that they can afford to silence their own minions and still win

the absolute madman

>>150899385
Its your win con against other control decks so right now, not very
You can sub it with Elise

>>150899385
You will be heavily hurt in control matchups without it, however all control decks except cthun warrior are absolute garbage, and even cthun warrior is rare on ladder as everyone is playing dragon warrior now.

So the short version is: not really needed now.

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bad player with a bad deck here what changes can i make to this reno rogue to make it less shit? i know it's too slow in the current meta and if you don't draw reno you're screwed, but it's fun. the main problem i have is finishing a game when i'm ahead

i don't have nzoth

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Yo, make sure you dudes post your predictions.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfim_YnebK_l4FsSAAGuwQQ3VBBdIv5zQ547__87KIhgwr1sQ/viewform

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>>150899864
>nzoth rogue
>i don't have nzoth

>>150899338
I think he was memeing. I saw a video the other day where some guy I don't know was interviewing him. Can't remember where it is he's asked about it, but it's closer to the beginning as the majority is about Kharazan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EtBfJQOj3c

>>150892006
>Silence/Owl could silence your opponent's minions, and was mostly used for that utility, so you could say that the value of a silence mostly came from silencing the opponent's minions
What is Handlock?

>that value is taken away in regards to purify, as it only effects friendly minions
1/3 to 1/2 of a very small amount is still a very small amount, and for priest the primare use of silence is, factually, for their own minions. The last time Zetalot played Silence it was for that purpose.

>is negative mana value a thing?
It's not, because "bad usage" is generally avoidable while "good usage" can be actively pursued and built around. Pairing a mitigateable downside with a numerical upside is one of the easiest ways to end up power-creeping cards.

>in two of those 3 situations, the card is worth less than it's statted, and in the 3rd it's worth as much as it's statted
Once again, this is the "INFINITE VALUE" meme. Cards are not exclusively statted based on mana cost, every card has a non-scaling card base value derived from the fact you spent a card for them. That's why a 0 mana card is allowed to have stats in the first place. The average mana-stat distribution demonstrates this quite clearly:
>0 mana 1/1, 2 stats/0
>1 mana 2/1, 3 stats/1
>2 mana 3/2, 5 stats/2
>3 mana 4/3, 7 stats/3
etc.

Barring anomalies like 4 mana 7/7, cards intentionally designed to be less mana-efficient the more expensive they are.

Whether it's even undervalued or not is still unclear because its two best comparisons are contradicting: Wisp and Novice Engineer demonstrate that 2 mana to cycle a 0 mana card is fair, while Ironbeak Owl demonstrates that a >1 mana effect attached to a 2 mana silence is too good. This contradiction is simply because there are way more variables at work in a card game meta than simple value and efficiency.

I do personally think it's slightly undervalued, however Blizzard appears to be very afraid to give Priest any more good cheap cantrips.

I am working on a pirate version of hearthstone. It will have full collection for everyone and monthly balance patches.

You will hear about it in a couple of months.

>>150900980
Fuck off Fullas, your mod is shit and will never be finished.

>>150900980
While I acknowledge your efforts, does anyone actually like Hearthstone enough to want to play a "good" version of it?

>>150900980
Reported to blizzard.

>>150900070
is nzoth reno the only decent reno rogue deck?

>>150900980
I hope you are talking about making a game similar to HS and not actually HS. I dont even like warcraft, so the lore is meh to me, and the cartoony style is also boring.

>>150901440
Is not even the best one.

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Literally just started playing 2 days ago. Was able to get enough dust form a Legendary to make this deck.

Advice for a scrub on what to change?
Not enough dust for 2 armorers atm so stealth worgen for now

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what cards are you looking/not looking forward to?

>>150901547
you only want 1 worgen and 1 charge

thaurissan and faceless are really really really important but thaurissan is from an adventure and faceless is 400 dust

throw in shield blocks to cycle and live longer

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>>150901680
>burgle deck

What's next, a Priest deck?

>>150901949
>better tempo
>better removal
>better damage
>better deathrattle support
>better card stealing
>better hero power
Rogue's basically a better priest at this point.

>>150901680
>Mad scientist
anon...

>>150900973
>What is Handlock?
A dead deck which cannot compete with any faster deck's cards?

Watcher owl/sunfury stopped being a decent opener ages ago, the power level of early minions far outclasses it. Up until molten nerf killed the deck competitively, lifecoach used to play handlock feverishly even in a meta that was hostile to it. He went as far as to say that he would never play watcher on two in order to silence it the next turn, it just was not good.

>lookig
well fuck me, time to sleep

>>150901949
swashburglar
Undercity Huckster
Burgle
Nefarian
Ethereal Peddler
gangup

might work and probably will be fun

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>yfw Brode likes the community trying to find a priest deck that works so much that he purposely prints out bad cards just to keep the unicorn priest meme alive

>>150902301
You're an idiot if you think a rogue will survive to turn 9 in this current meta. You're an even bigger moron for trying to play Burgle

>>150902457
Priest cards are valued differently than other classes. A 6 mana Druid card is basically the equivalent of a 10 mana Priest card

>>150901508
What is then? I'm trying to make mine less shit >>150899864

>>150902457
Volazj was a mistake. Blizz severely overestimated how strong summoning 1/1 copies to board would be so now they're ramping up the power of that mechanic until we cry about it.
Barnes and M.Warden are proof of this.

Volazj does work surprisingly well in Murloc Priest though.
It's just a shame Priest has no other synergies with the archetype.

>>150902301
It will be ass for the same reason deathrattle rogue is shit.

No deck can even hope to play shitty minion after shitty minion and win, except the occasional reno deck, which rogue is a terrible candidate for. Warlock does it best as it actually has consistent draw and a coherent win condition.

Rogue will also never live to turn 9, same reason rogue will never live to turn 10. No survivability, mediocre early game, and no good draw engine outside of gadget or the terrible sprint (you can't take a turn off and then wipe with flurry anymore) means rogue cannot play a long game, they simply cannot.

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>kripp worried he might not be invited to hearthstone events after his purify video comes out

>says blizzard has a lot to answer for

i can't wait

>>150902226
Whether it's currently good is besides the point, people originally put owl in Handlock with the primary purpose of activating Watchers. Just because Trog has broken the meta in half doesn't mean defensive silence doesn't and has never existed.

>>150888604
Does it work on EU? How do you turn the money into hs stuff?

So next expansion confirmed for Blizzard replacing Priest class with Demon Hunters?

Why the fuck else would you print such bad cards.
Why would you give other classes your cards but how they should have been designed in the first place, for lower rarities.
Did a priest molest Ben Brode as a child?

>>150903140
hes just making noise to get veiws

>>150902457
>>150902818
>>150902980
Blizzard balanced Volazj under the assumption that Priest can maintain board and that they actually have a use for 1-health minions.

>>150888890
It would be and you're fucked if you think otherwise

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>>150903225

>implying priest isn't secret tier 0 right now
>not realizing how good a 2 manan self-silence is
>doubting Ben "secret pally is hard to play" Brode

>>150903381
Except Volaszj clearly wouldn't be good in any other deck. It's a bad card by any metric and in any sort of deck in any class.

Volaszj was designed under the assumption that it wouldn't even be considered for any sort of competitive play - an assumption that ended up being true.

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>>150903381
>Blizzard
>balanced
>Priest

>>150903381
You mean Brode got absolutely wasted and found himself unable to design a priest card in his inebriated state, so he played darts with the dartboard covered in various archetypes.

It landed on token.

>>150903313
Pretty much, Amaz made a 2 second video saying "priest is dead" and got 100k+ views in a day. I wouldn't be surprised if the streamers all jump on the bashing Blizzard bandwagon to catch some additional fame.

Blizzard completely deserves it though. If you're going to print bullshit cards for one class don't print completely mediocre cards for another.

>>150888618
I hate this faggot

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>>150903381
No, Volazj is the result of them having an interesting initial idea and then changing it at the last second because "it wasn't fun":

>Herald Volazj actually changed a ton. The initial design for that was 'Become a copy of your opponent.' And so your hero portrait, all of your minions, all of your cards in hand and in your deck would become exact mirrors of your opponent. Which meant you could make different decisions than them and [it] was sort of interesting since you knew what they had access to, but the final gameplay wasn't that fun. It was just a little too similar. And so we tried to find the mirroring and ended up where we are now.

http://www.hearthhead.com/news=253216/peter-whalen-interview-summary-titans-were-axed-herald-volazj-copied-your-oppone

I would've loved to play that card, even if it wasn't competitive. Fuck I hate Blizzard sometimes.

>>150903381
Blizzard expected N'zoth Priest to be nuts. They might still expect N'zoth Priest to be nuts. The tokens themselves didn't necessarily need to be useful, but anything you duped with him could be revived by N'zoth.

Moat Lurker is a cool fucking card

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>>150903961
>priest is so bad that Blizzard made a card to let you change your class from priest mid-game
They should have released it that way.

>>150904023
yeah 6 mana for a 3/3 that triggers Sylvanas in best-case scenario, great card

almost good enough to wipe my ass with

>>150899338
no, it's just that every time that people bug brode about [insert sucky class here], he says that they could do something about it, but maybe someone will figure out a deck that's really good that nobody thought of to make. then people interpret it wrong, think 'blizz knows of a super secret [sucky class] deck, but they won't tell us!'

>>150900973
I know the base value derived from spending a card for them; that still doesn't make purify worth it at 2. there isn't enough benefit from the few cards that become better when silenced to build a deck around. Maybe purify's just a balanced card in an unbalanced game. Maybe if they make more cards that benefit from it, purify might see play, but as of now it's a dead card for a dead class that really doesn't need more dead cards.

>handlock
handlock was the exception, not the rule; it had a lot of ways to synergize with silence that priest lacks. I don't actually know too much about the intricacies of warlock card interactions and handlock because I don't ever play warlock, but I saw a post yesterday talking about this; I'm going to try to find it.

>zetalot
if you ask zetalot about silence priest, he'll probably tell you it isn't viable. if you ask him about purify, I am almost certain he'll tell you that it sucks. considering that the only zetalot silence priest deck I could find via googling is from june of last year, I don't think the deck worked out for him very well, either, but that's beside the point.

>>150888604
where can I get hearthstone packs or shit with the credit I get?

>>150903961
>I would've loved to play that card, even if it wasn't competitive. Fuck I hate Blizzard sometimes.
You would have played it once and then made a blog post about how much you hate it and how much priest needs a 2 mana 3/5

>>150903961
They knew all along that priest was a bad class and it was better to play another class. They even almost put in the tools to correct this mistake. They should have done it.

>>150904023
>>150904223
Why wouldn't you just run faceless instead?

>>150904223
I said cool, also you can take enemy minions, and it prevents aoe

>>150903197
You would rarely silence your own watcher really. You almost always just used it as a huge cheap taunt or shadow flame target

>>150904353
right, found it. honestly, it took me longer to type about finding the post than it did to actually find the post.
>>150799565
>No, it's not decent. You're paying 4 mana to get a 4/5 out with no additional synergies in the deck. The two cards are worthless on their own and just slightly decent together, and that's not good. Equating this to what handlock used to do is wrong because priest can't perform the same gameplan as handlock without shadowflames and moltens being shit, which pushed handlock out of being a viable deck anyway.

>Unlike Handlock, Priest doesn't have shadowflame, and doesn't benefit from taunting up minions that can't attack because then you can't dictate beneficial trades to use your hero power effectively. Handlock was okay with just taunting up ancient watchers because buying a few extra turns meant you could drop down a huge number of big guys/force them to overextend and punish with shadowflame before burst healing back up. Priest can't punish as effectively, nor can it drop down a huge mass of stats for free.

>Not even handlock would run this card because the flexibility of owl/spellbreaker silencing enemy minions was extremely important.

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Will this work?

I think paladin has a better chance than druid because paladin at least has a good murloc.

Either way, this and secret hunter are the only interesting concepts we're getting.

>>150904807
I think targeted draw and buffs for specific tribes is fine but the Dragon Beast and Murloc meme is just too forced, hopefully they add more reasonable options in the future.

>>150901680
>looking forward to
>warrior
kill yourself nigger

>>150903961
>>150904157
>>150904363
>>150904372
My guess is that they felt it was too similar to renounce darkness for a legendary.

>>150903814
he hates himself too

>10 game loss streak
should I just dust everything and craft zoo

>>150904404
I think it's because you can activate the deathrattle from hand. Which is pretty powerful, considering the majority of hsg's complaints about something being busted is because it comes from hand.

>>150904807
Hungry Dragon is fucking awful
you dont need double consecrate in a zoo deck
The Curator is required, even if it costs 7

>>150905329
you mean like how burgle is too similar to thoughtsteal? and huckster is too similar to shifting shade?

>>150905649
Those are not class legendaries, anon.

>>150902301
The other guys are right, bro. Rogue has to be pushed to a faster deck archetype.
Good news is that it's a pirate. So maybe a deck will pop up and a few of the burgle cards can be thrown in for flavour. That's what I'm hoping for, at least.

So I was talking with a friend about the ideal niches of each class and I've come to the conclusion that maybe the priest hero power is fucking broken? I don't mean OP broken, I mean more not conducive to good player experience

Because consider Lesser Heal and Heal, right? Lesser Heal is very arguably the weakest hero power among the first 9, I wouldn't make the argument but I've certainly heard it. And Heal is very arguably the strongest hero power among the justicar hero powers.

And that's just because of the way healing works; depending on the boardstate it's either a garbage use of 2 mana or the equivalent of drawing and playing an additional minion, for just 2 mana. It's either useless or insane. And that's a very frustrating mechanic to be exposed to, and a mechanic we'd all be exposed to a lot more if priest were ever given a more functional midrange build that allowed it to play in a way that supposedly isn't cancer. For the good of the playerbase, priest must remain dumpstered.

>>150905785
Hearthstone's combat system is just naturally inclined towards snowballing, but yes priest is very polarized in its effectiveness.

>>150905785
You've kind of hit the nail on the head with the healing being OP bit.
It is probably the ultimate win more mechanic in the game with the insane value trades it allows for. Playing anything midrange vs Dragon Priest was always a nightmare when they stuck something big to the board.

Makes me wish Justicar would just upgrade all hero powers by 1 power (except Warlock, drawing 2 cards and not losing the self harm) instead of doubling the power of the defensive ones

>>150905785
>And Heal is very arguably the strongest hero power among the justicar hero powers.
tank up. there is no argument

>>150905785
>Lesser Heal is very arguably the weakest hero power among the first 9
Nope, it's a great hero power if you look at it in a vacuum.

>>150905785
>And that's just because of the way healing works; depending on the boardstate it's either a garbage use of 2 mana or the equivalent of drawing and playing an additional minion, for just 2 mana.

you realise Mage's hero power is almost as strong, right? (and arguably stronger in arena)

priest's HP lets you eat a 2/3 with your 3/4 for free, sure

meanwhile mage's HP lets you eat a 4/5 with your own 4/5 and be left with a 4/1, or kill any x/1 for free without even having a board

if you look at all the possible board states, priest's HP really isn't that great except in certain situations (just like their cards)

>a mechanic we'd all be exposed to a lot more if priest were ever given a more functional midrange build that allowed it to play in a way that supposedly isn't cancer

you mean like dragon priest back when it was decent (with velens, deathlord, etc)? funny how the hero power didn't break the game then - it turns out spending 2 mana for a heal to get a little extra value isn't actually that good in a tempo based game

the whole "priest is too good when they have the board" meme needs to die, we already had a board-based priest deck and it wasn't anything to write home about

Oh, christ, I just had a dream where they revealed the new Priest cards. One of them made you silence your own minion, and all it did was draw you a single card.

Anyway, what do the new Priest cards look like? Any good 2-drops?

>>150906161
>Playing anything midrange vs Dragon Priest was always a nightmare when they stuck something big to the board.

>>150906614
>the whole "priest is too good when they have the board" meme needs to die, we already had a board-based priest deck and it wasn't anything to write home about

In conclusion, Hearthstone is a land of contrasts.

>>150906343
He did say arguably.
And the argument is that it allows you to heal most minions to full health. Plus, if you take away the hero power synergies with certain cards and replace them with "Card X" (or just imagine you're in arena), then it might be easier to see how Priests upgraded hero power can be better.

>>150906936
Except one opinion is actually backed up by evidence. Dragon Priest was only tier 2 at best.

>>150906936
Really depends what you were playing against it.
Freeze Mage or Control Warrior? Yeah, nothing special.

But Zoolock, Face Shaman, or Dragon Paladin?
Lot tougher of a matchup when you don't own the board

>>150906343
doesn't the silver hand just flat-out beat tank up in a head-to-head? and it ends up being pretty alright value even in other situations

i'm pretty sure we've only seen tank up with such disgusting frequency because control warrior is the only chassis that can run justicar and be profitable, which is a statement about the broader cardpool a lot more than it is about the relative merits of the value-oriented justicar powers

>>150907151
>guess which opinion is mine

I'm just going to start instant conceding if warrior pops up. I'm tired of this shit.

>>150907285
i guess i took it more as its the only one that could get value so its the only good one i guess maybe if a new justicar that cost less came out maybe more powers would be used

>>150907352
Thanks for the free wins :^)

Idiot

>>150906536
Not an argument

>>150907582

You were going to win anyway. I'm just making it take less time.

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Quest Rogue is FUN.

>>150904353
>>150904793
While it does raise a good point in that Handlock both had multiple ways to capitalize on Watcher and multiple ways to capitalize on Silence (this same flexibility is how Circle of Healing functions in Priest) however it does undervalue silence for the sake of Priests somewhat. Priests as a class desperately want huge minions, because it's only by surviving trades that their class features actually do anything. Injured Blademaster is the perfect example of the inherent synergy Priests have with large minions (the heal synergy is only a bonus, not the main point, as Kvaldir's lack of usage has demonstrated).

Since we can't get a 2 and 4+ mana equivalent to Injured Blademaster (why Blizzard?), people have been looking into silence synergy as a new way to compete with the increasingly huge minions that other classes have been getting for free.

It also serves a very valuable function for Priest in that it cycles, and for a combo-dependent class like Priest being able to cycle is a very big deal. (Zetalot usually runs at least 3 different sources of draw in his deck because of this.) The problem is having the draw attached to a combo piece is less convenient since usually you need the draw to make your combo pieces meet to begin with. This need for draw is a very big difference from Handlock, who doesn't need to run any draw whatsoever because of their hero power.

Overall I can see the design goal behind the card, as well as its potential for useful implementation (moreso than 0 mana . However the problem is that it's just a useful utility in a class that is primarily in need of big threats. Even if the class' purpose is to enable big threats for Priest, it doesn't have any particularly amazing targets for it.

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NA
GreenBeast#1882

>>150907606
Get out Stefan.

PRIEST GAME PLAN
>lose board
>hero power pass
>board wipe a lot
>eventually get a minion to stick and beat your opponent to death in 10+ turns

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Get fucked Fedora

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I'm just gonna try to de-shit some cards.

Feel free to tell me I suck and don't understand the game. I'll try to adjust them accordingly

>>150908318
>*take your opponents minions and cards and beat your opponent to death with them in 10+ turns*

Fixed that for you

>>150889163
XD lad

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>>150908456
Why even change the pic?

Yours looks way worse.

>>150908808
Can't seem to find the art on google for new cards.
It's my best attempt at recreating it.

Also ironically the longest part of creating cards is finding the art for it

>>150901680
For a discard deck to "work", you'd need a lot more cards like the golem. Though he might be run as a one of simply because of doomgaurd swings.

>>150908318
>PRIEST GAME PLAN
>>lose
ftfy

>>150908456
>>150908808
>>150908943
Wait, is the new.shaman weapon inspire powered or spell damage powered? This is important

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>>150908994
I just wanna play with madness decks desu

>>150908994
Yeah the dream is somehow not having 2 dead cards in hand hurt you until you can snap off the doomgaurd and get a 11/13 with partial charge

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>>150909096

>>150905785
>>150906536
In terms of mana spent 2 mana for 2 heal is the worst hero power in the game. Circle of healing lets you heal the entire board for 4 for 0 mana, you can't damage the entire board for even 3 without paying at least 4 mana. Flash healing does 5 for 1 mana, yet the only reason people bother running it is the possibility of converting it into damage with Auchenai. Priest's healing in general is complete trash and the only reason Priest is even remotely playable is because their best cards revolve around making their heals do things other than healing.

What's your longest game you've played? Mine was probably as a priest against a reno secret mage that ran antonidas, game lasted about 40 minutes and I got two cabalist tomes from a single nef, had mage secrets, mage hero power and golden monkey into aviana fatigue.

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Anduin gets RAPED

Is a priest Zoo deck viable? Why or why not? The various minions could really fill in the early spots for a Priest and combo potentials and healing could easily help cement the board in conjunction with Zoo buff cards in a tempo setting

>>150909409
thanks asshole i just got fired

>>150909096
The actual new card is a +2 attack Aura whenever you control a Spellpower minion >>150909271

>>150908456
Is Inspire: Give your hero +2 attack, which is a more consistent alternative (doesn't require a 1/4 HP roll) and also requires you to HP every time you want 3 attack, instead of being 3 attack the whole time you control a SP totem/minion

>>150909118
It never stops to amaze me how much bigger and better the design space is for magic.
The ability to act on your opponents turn is really the way to go.

It would also go a long way to simply not make secrets exclusive to 3 classes.

>>150909285
>enemy priest has a full board with 2 northshires
>keeps drawing
>use holy nova and circle
>mills his entire deck
Wow..

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>log in
>afk in brawl for the quest complition
>log out
>this expansion wont even keep me entertained for a week
great game

>>150907905
>people have been looking into silence synergy as a new way to compete with the increasingly huge minions that other classes have been getting for free.

have they? I'm a bit out of the loop due to not really trying to ladder in the past month (all the cool priest decks right now need n'zoth or a bunch of other legendaries I don't have.), but I don't remember seeing any silence priest decks recently.

as an aside, thank you for putting effort into your responses.

>>150909454
Priest does not have lifetap.
Priest does not even have draw.
It will run out of steam and flounder around like a dying fish.
Priest doesn't even get hero power value off small minions.

Why did you even think this would be good?

>>150909548
you should kill yourself and be reincarnated in a funner universe

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Why do you fuckers not seem to understand that Onyx Bishop lets you CHOOSE which dead minion you want to bring back? It's an INCREDIBLE card that will singlehandedly bring priest back. You and all of the retarded streamers are just too stupid to actually read the card.

>>150909523
>It would also go a long way to simply not make secrets exclusive to 3 classes.

Fucking this^^

>>150909848
>graveyard mechanics
that's too confusing for new players, it'll be random

>>150909826
Mostly because Priest could naturally fill the Dragon slot in a Zoo Menagerie deck, Finley could be aggressively mulled for. Priest has pretty decent draw through PW:S, and Northshire Cleric and can be also supplemented with more draw power if needed through Azure Drakes for cycling. I could naturally see everything except for beasts fitting into a Priest deck and even then maybe Strangehorn Tigre, le hoot hoot, and maybe something else?

>>150909848
Hearthstone is a game designed with simplicity in mind, there are no complex menus and the user is never prompted with more than 2/3 choices at once.

How do you expect phone players to pick one out of 26 minions that died this game?

The effect is random, dipshit.

>>150908808
Nah man, the proper art looks cartoony and shit.

>>150910143
HS is cartoony and shit.

Go play Magic if you want edgy crap, sperg.

>>150910113
>>150910129
Read the card SPECIFICALLY. Put it next to Resurrect if you must. You get to choose. It's confirmed. Blizzard does not make card text mistakes.

>>150910123
also I guess Coldlight Oracle could also see play in it for draw and Menagerie memes in addition

>>150909848
This is not the first time a card omits the word random while still being random.

>>150910123
The zoo meme cards are not viable.
Priest does not have good draw, it has one cycle card and a bunch of psuedo draw effects.

Even if you assembled the deck, it would not do anything unfair, it would be an arena tier mishmash in constructed.

>>150910129
>>150910113
Not him, but whereas I agree with you guys, I did double check the card text and it doesn't actually say "random minion". Obvious inconsistency by Blizz despite the fact they're aware they fucked up in the past with other stuff.

>>150910269
>Blizzard does not make card text mistakes.
Oh, so you're baiting. Carry on then.

>>150910309
>it would be an arena tier mishmash in constructed.
to be fair, depending on your casual MMR and access to wild cards, that might be the fastest way to get priest quests done...

>>150910309
Tempo based gameplay can be horrifically overpowering senpai, see Midrange Hunter which literally also has NO draw. While I do agree with what you are saying in that it will be hodgepodge with most builds, I think the Zoo meme cards might actually be able to do something, I think The Curator is sleeper tier for broken cards since Mad Scientist and Boom and I am determined to figure out how/play it when someone does.

>>150909693
Mainly the Volazj+Healbot+silence+N'zoth combination prompted some investigation around release, but it didn't last long because Silence simply isn't worth spending a card on in Priest even if it's 0 mana. Most priests never venture away from blade circle/cthun/dragon though, which is probably why the new cards (which don't fit with any of those) got such a backlash in the first place.

>>150910571
>I think The Curator is sleeper tier for broken cards
You mean the card everyone is hyping up for dragon warrior/beast druid? Do you know what "sleeper" means?

>>150910269
and you get to choose what dream card ysera gives you, what minions y'shaarj pulls out and you choose what damaged friendly characters ragnaros heals

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Funny how simple some of these fixes are.
This is what I thought the card was when I first saw it, yet Blizz seems tiptoeing around obviously fair concepts

>>150909848
>priest getting a good card
Stop kidding yourself anon. It's just another text fuckup.

>>150910710
>obviously fair
thinking that everything is obvious is a sign that you know a lot less than you think you do

>>150910576
>Silence simply isn't worth spending a card on in Priest even if it's 0 mana
but it activates pyromancer xDD

>>150910710

That's what fucking EVERYONE thought dude.

Card went from pretty damn good to, eh....

>>150910710
This is like a Tuskarr Totemic that never drops the shitty totems.

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>>150888503

>When the amount of hounds is just enough to kill the taunt and set up perfect lethal

>Add a "THANKS!" before the last hound hits face

Best lethal in this children's card game

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>>150910269
>>150910681

You also get to:

Choose the 1 drop camel gives you.
Choose the legendaries golden monkey gives you.
Choose the cards from thoughtsteal/shade.
Choose the minions Lightwell/Ragnaros Heals
Choose which card Ancient Harbinger pulls.
Choose what class renounce darkness gives you.
Choose what zerus morphs into.

Blizzard's card text is amazing.

>>150911047
Educate me, then.
How is a 3/2 for 3 that equips a weapon on death not fair?
It's not a huge tempo play and as a Rogue you still have to facetank minions on turn 4 at the earliest.

Compare that to a 2 mana 3/2 Waraxe in a class that can overheal itself

>zooshitter plays like absolute fucking ass
>lose anyone because board clears never come up

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Priest got ANOTHER solid 2-drop and you fags are still complaining.

>>150911420
>Compare that to a 2 mana 3/2 Waraxe in a class that can overheal itself

It compares favourably to FWA and Piloted Shredder, two of the best cards ever printed.

Violet Illusionist seems like an absolute meme card, what can it be used for /hsg/? The only applications I can think of are free taps and Flame Imps with Zoolock and with Fools Bane with Warrior, maybe with Gorehowl Turn 10.

Will Addled Grizzly finally see play or is it too Hobgoblin tier?

>>150911585
Oh boy, a slow value card in a meta with games decided by turn 1 troggs and turn 2 war axe/alex champ/totem golem.

Holy shit this will save priest!
I think even dragon warrior will play this card!
It's amazing anon, thank you for opening my eyes to this.

>>150911420
2 mana 3/2 fiery war axe vs 2 mana 3/2 fiery war axe + 1 mana 3/2 minion in one card.

It's better.

>>150911706
Auchenai Tree of life

>>150911706
i think the most likely deck it gets played in is a one-of in rogue or something.

>>150911706
>what can it be used for /hsg/?
Facetanking for free in the weapon classes and being a 3 drop that can trade up into 3/4s

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>>150910710
I think what annoys me the most is that fork could have just added a deadly poison to your hand and it would have been a better card.

You don't have to waste your mana investment in your dagger to get a 3/2 and it has spell synergy.

It still wouldn't be very good still, but rogue isn't allowed to have even that.

>>150911659
Weapons aren't always as good as minions.
Sometimes you need other bodies to make trades that would demolish your face. They're also meat shields for RNG bullshit

>>150911818
Doesn't come out the turn you play it like War Axe. It's a lot clunkier unless you have Backstab to cannibalize your own Fork, which is a 2 card combo

>>150911706
fatigue

>>150912162
>Doesn't come out the turn you play it like War Axe. It's a lot clunkier unless you have Backstab to cannibalize your own Fork, which is a 2 card combo
t. retard

>>150911437
>play Zoolock
>shaman get his wave clear
>keep throwing out minions anyway
>eventually just gives up

protip: if you want to stop a Zooshitter throw in a good strong minion with taunt. Will absolutely throw off their tempo

>>150912294
That is absolutely terrible advice anon. Taunt minions are overcosted and zoo has absolutely no problem running them over with buffs.

You don't do anything to their tempo but hand it to them on a silver platter.

>>150912239
It's okay if you don't understand. Just lurk more and you'll learn

>>150912162
>>150912546
Regardless of the whole vs war axe argument, why would you ever backstab your own three drop in order to get a three mana weapon?

You might as well just backstab and dagger down the thing you intend to use the 3 attack on for one less mana.

The only exception is fancy lethal when you don't have a single source of 2+ damage in your hand, as a rogue.

>>150912162
>Weapons aren't always as good as minions.
OK? What 2 drop minion is better than FWA?
>Sometimes you need other bodies to make trades that would demolish your face
Weapons have charge, unlike nearly all the minions that come out of Piloted Shredder.
>Doesn't come out the turn you play it like War Axe. It's a lot clunkier unless you have Backstab to cannibalize your own Fork, which is a 2 card combo
I play it on turn 3, on turn 4 I can attack with it and either trade or go face if the opponent has no tempo. If I trade, I now have a Fiery War Axe equipped which can attack immediately. I would never, ever backstab my own three drop in a tempo deck.

>>150909523

Acting on your opponent's turn will never work well in an online enviroment.

>Your opponent just played X, would you like to respond?

Repeat for every play.>>150909540

>>150912930
>try to play something
>opponent responds and ropes me
>try to attack something
>opponent responds and ropes me
>try to attack something
>opponent responds and ropes me
>try to attack something
>opponent responds and ropes me
>try to emote
>opponent responds and ropes me
>try to end my turn
>opponent responds and ropes me