/rlg/ - Roguelike General

awoo ganbatte

What's some cool shit you guys would like to see played.

There should be a god who helps you out majorly if you're under high tension but otherwise does nothing (or even does detrimental things) if you're not. It would encourage getting into dangerous situations but still being able to manage them.

>>150665867
So... Xom?

>>150665781
Good roguelikes.

>>150665935
I don't think tension really affects the quality of Xom's effects, just the quantity.

>>150665867
sounds like old xom

>>150665781
Competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee

>>150665867
Isn't that literally uskayaw

>>150666067
>being apart of the fighting game community
That shit is straight up a joke.

>>150666193
I'm not. But I like watching fighting games because of the fast paced action

>>150666020
True but you have a whole lot of fucking nothing that matters in between getting papa Xom delivering a can of whoop ass in high tension.

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xth for tummies

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>>150665775

>>150666353
Just watch Saltybet then, it's crazy MUGEN fights all day every day

>>150665781
>Hello, yes I would like to blogpost.
>What's the most effective pattern of blogposting I can use?
Just act like you're really bad at crawl and post images of you doing stupid things in DCSS. Guaranteed replies.

>>150666907
That's about ten (10) times better than just posting a boring ass ascension screen

>>150665867
that's xom or to a lesser extent, uskayaw

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>>150666625
My tummie doesn't feel good

>>150667084
Okay, okay, how about the opposite? A god that gives great bonuses but takes them away the more tension you're put under, to the point where they have a negative effect at high tension? Some sort of perfectionist god. It'd encourage careful play.

>>150665781
snotling berserker

>>150667252
Some of Ru's sacrifices affect you in that sort of way, specifically sacrifice drink, reading, and courage.

>>150666704
>people actually betting tens of thousands of dollars on each round
god damn son

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>>150665872
rods are now mixed in with misc acquirement so you can't get a near-guaranteed one from acquiring staff with no magic skills, and 2pak only gifts 1 per character

>>150666625
pic related
you're still a pedo

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Note: Step from Time isn't all powerful

>>150667252
That god's the player.

>>150667636
Tummy isn't a pedo thing, it's a common term. Your problem is that whenever you hear it you think of a young girl's flat and nubile body for some reason, so you accuse the person saying it of being a pedo for putting those thoughts in your head. It says more about you than us honestly.

>>150667668
You had it all and threw it away. Next time don't SfT if you're in a bad situation, the point if the ability is to use it BEFORE you're put into a bad situation. If things seem to be going bad, don't be afraid to smash that motherfucking Step From Time button.

>>150667857
What about cunny?

>>150667668
>>150668164
what does step from time do exactly?

>>150668459
That's definitely more questionable.

>>150668508
It essentially causes you to leave the game for a number of turns. while you're gone enemies will wander around like usual, so if you use it while you're surrounded you'll often return to no enemies. You don't gain any HP or anything while gone though, you return just how you left.

It scales with invocation too, more invocation means more turns gone.

>>150667082
>ten (10)
I am glad we have this now.

>>150667574
You ain't seen nothing. I saw some bastards lose billions in a fight. Goddamn Dong Dong, it was, like, 90+ to 1 and the fucker pulled it through. I didn't even care that I got sent back to the mines, it was fucking amazing.

Anyways, post melee combos that can get me to fucking lair. Past then I can survive fine but goddamn is pre-lair just bad decision central for me.

>>150667857
>young girl's flat and nubile body
>nubile
today I learned a new word

>>150669359
Don't say /rlg/ never taught ya' nothin'.

>>150669202
I just walked in after a hiatus and don't know what DCSS looks like now, but it probably looks kinda like this:

Any class that can wear all armor slots and can teleport + something that goes with it's good aptitudes

If you want to hybridize do it later

>>150668576
Demon is about summoning dank memes from various cultures around the world

>>150669202
MuMo
MiBe/TrBe, press aa when anything with a yellow or red name appears (after getting close of course), press ab to recover at low hp (it's more effective outside of berserk, but for big reds you might need both ab and then aa)
those should get you to lair

>>150669359
yea we have a lot of noobs here

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>>150669991
>mythology and folklore is just a bunch of fucking memes

>>150670327
>>mythology and folklore is just a bunch of fucking memes
By the actual definition of memes and not the internet definition, yes they are.

>>150670475
some of them are internet memes too
an anon posted a pc of a slenderman in his party

>>150670720
Slenderman is also a type of myth or folklore. Just one which came not from cultural heritage, but from the internet.

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>Healthy living does have some rewards
>near starving
I have a vitamin deficiency too.

I should be able to read up to cooking 7 today and hope I actually have the ingredients to dynamite in the lab. Then find food while at less than half speed.

>>150670861
so it's a meme

>>150670861
>Just one which came not from cultural heritage
The fucker is based off of all kinds of folklore. Ideas of wendigos and skinwalkers and that one japanese thing are heavy inspiration for the bastard.

>>150670985
>>150671123
Yes.

>>150670984
Are vitamins separate from health now? Why?

>>150671808
To nerf the bread diet I guess. Though if you are anywhere other than trapped in a lab without food you can just eat some of your hundreds of multivitamins and not care so it doesn't work very well.

So, what are the best 3 rune gods?

>>150675309
Trog, Okawaru

>>150675392
I thought those were a given and thus didn't need to be mentioned.

>>150675473
You asked for the best ok

>>150675748
How about the best, non-furious/warmaster god.

>>150666907
What, you guys always bitch about how it's crawl/pcb general. Nobody cares when I post about others so I figure I'd just ask.

>>150675309
QAZLOUD

>>150667668
Step is for well before the shit hits the fan and it's increasingly worse with less effective stealth. Not that you should get stealth for a "better" step (It wont be) just know that if you're loud and have zero chance of not being seen by anything on screen and you step you're probably gonna get spotted if they didn't fuck off.. Did you really expect them to be gone in such a wide open area in just one step?

>>150675859
Fedhas-Mushrooms kill anything and everything

Yred- animate literally everything to drown them in zombies, later kill hard targets with your bone dragon and profane servitors. Drain Life is fun if you have good invocations and are facing some shit like Vaults 5.

Kiku- like Yred but you train Necro instead of Invocations and can get a sick pain weapon

>>150676424
>>150675981
How much invocations should one train for Qazzie, Yred, and the Fed.

>>150676586
For Qazloud, you want all of it.

>>150667636
Well that's kind of stupid cause misc acq is dogshit. It's like armor acq if everything but randarts were +0 gloves when you already had the gauntlets of war.

>>150676424
Plus Oklob forest gives you the hugest boner.

>>150676723
All acquirement is dogshit, really.

>>150676825
except staff acq

oh wait nevermenind

>>150675868
The people who cry about it being "X" general are probably the people who never give a second glance to any game posted other than "X".

>>150676723
what do you even get from misc acquirement? I know it used to have decks but those are removed.

Is it just elemental evokers + bob/sack + rod?

>>150676825
This is truer than it should be. Everytime you really need something you get shit but when you just casually want something you get the best gear you could hope for.

>>150676712
So, DD, HO, Ds, or Fo would be best?

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>ywn be viable in extended

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Two sticks of dynamite failed to take out a single wall and now I'm out of soap to make more.

I think my only option is to take all the adderall and try to install the toolset bionic, then use that to create an electric jackhammer. I don't think there's any other way to get a tool with hammer quality 3, but then again I ended up grinding cooking 4 ->5 with a three hour recipe turning charcoal to lye because i didn't think you could get something with boiling 2 (a glass jar or flask has boiling 1).

An empty soda can has boiling 2.

>>150676586
Yred only needs like 5 if all you care about is zombies. If you want to do Drain Life/Enslave Soul shenanigans 10-15 is functional. Injury Mirror is good for 1v1 fights against baddies that you want to spend Piety to kill instead of consumables.

In my experience fedhas mushrooms work about as good at 0 invo as they do at 15, but apparently they scale or something, i dunno.

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I never knew I wanted something like this in my Cataclysm world until now.

I don't even know where I'd start.

>>150677824
If he just ignored holy he would be OK at least. Yred or one of the evil gods should have some sort of anti-evil weapon brand just to wreck all the extended shit but then that would be considered bloat.

>>150677824
your what now

>>150678036
What's the point without practical NPCs?

>>150677852
>Chilly Tired Near Starving :)

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>>150677824
>ywn be loved by your servants
WHY THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE

>>150677813
Merfolk works too. You literally want 20 invo coming out of lair. 27 before your third rune.

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>it's just a ring that glows

>>150677112
I guess? With decks gone it should be a little better but still, bob/sacks apparently are at a flat 1/4 rate to be consumed and most of the situations where you'd need then you'd get btfo anyway so they last 3 turns or you die taking hits or you'd have just left anyway. Disc of storms requires a randart. Thanks Chris and even then it's in that dead zone of if you need it you shouldn't and if you don't you wont. Mirrors, if you can get them, are only worth wasting in a couple fights that you don't even need them for anyway. The elementals got reworked yet again, the stone got removed, and it's another kick in the balls.

This minus decks , plus rods, plus changes since I guess.


It does the following:
* only gifts the 4 kinds of decks not gifted by nemelex.
* reduces the weights for decks overall.
* for elemental evokables not seen before, gift them with higher
weight compared to the other evokable types.
* for evokables other than the disc of storms and lantern of
shadows, allow gifting at a lower weight even if they have been
seen before.
* gifts crystal ball of energy with chance (evocations *
max(spellcasting, invocations)) out of 27^2.

>>150679798
The bands are pretty fun when you try to do a max light radius run.It's a shame it doesn't have a system like Sil or brogue where being so grossly incandescent means something.

>>150679798
Speed of light is +4? Does it also have exaggeration brand?

>>150679387
>Merfolk works too
I don't have too good of luck with Mf, I can just never do enough damage with them to offset the squishiness they have. They have the best goddamn aptitudes but I just cannot make them work.

>>150665781
Elona snail using only martial arts

>>150665781
Melee build in Infra Arcana

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Party time.

>>150680563
Get min delay with your starting trident and 20 EV before lair. Get 4-8 armour and wield a halberd/bigger berd so that you're shielded by QAZ BUCKLER with a 2H. Wear a scale mail or something.

>>150678036
For what though? Just an aethetically pleasing thing? I guess. Those faggots were too incredibly butthurt about vehicles so you get retarded vehicle damage spread over your rig when you hit stuff. You'll be constantly hitting everything having to ram vehicles into houses and reramming vehicles into each other/trees until t hey're smashed entirely because you're the size of a road. It's missing spiked plating on all the externals and especially the rear which will be hitting shit. If it's just for hurr hurr APC pride then you have to make sure you never get a breach and nobody opens anything cause otherwise you'll get explosives launched at you which don't care about dick. Ditto with gunfire. Plus NPC's are too retarded for it to be any good.

It'd be cool in Cata DDA, 2170 edition in multiplayer mode I guess. Big rigs are such a pain in the ass.

>>150680535
play a pcb ninja or spider

you get to see in the dark which is sort of like having infinite light radius

>>150681159
Speaking of, Did the granade ever spike the onboard welder repair cost into the stratosphere out of salt?

>>150681159
Because hurricane bolters motherfucker.

>>150680562
sounds like it's a ring of speed with the "of light" ego

>>150681159
Join chaos: We have free spiked plating.

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fucking rip lads

>>150681818
Scummers get bummers. Better luck next time.

>>150681363
Oh it's a warhammer thing so Roleplay. Got it.

>>150681818
Shine on you crazy scummy mummy.

>>150681818
Don't scum on the floor right above your current floor, scum a floor above that. Give yourself a buffer.

>>150682178
>warhammer
The best warhammer thing, heavy vehicles.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Land_Raider#Variants

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Alchemists of Aule are the best. Dwarves are the best at Aule. Dwarves can become Alchemists. Therefore, Dwarves are the best. This is an objective fact.

>>150682421
Furyband?

>>150682421
>Fighting : Legendary [134]
>Saving Throw: Fair
Jesus.

>>150682421
>Hit points: 919/-28960
What

Please, I just want to go home!
I'm not going to question the spatial magic that allows a sea in the dungeon but what would happen if you swam out for it as an aquatic race?

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New quick release formula

>>150683665
>Not having a wellspring gem

>>150683128
integer overflows?

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>>150683665
Forgot image like a moron.

>>150684226
I played a flying character once in shoals
Probably nothing

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>>150683708
It was down to 31% failure with two adderall and I had two of them so it wasn't as unlikely as I was expecting.

Now I can make a jackhammer out of some metal bits knocked out of a locker and the motor from a desk fan. Somehow. Actually I can still fail by botching the craft and losing my single motor.

>>150680815
Supernatural counting abilities to tell apart that many shouts at once

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>>150683665
>>150684226
Zot was a reality warping magician that animated maize and had an weak spot for giant spheres of atomic fire and clowns.
Don't forget that you also descend down the stairs located on islands only to find more islands below.
So it's like several seas stacked on top of each other.
I wouldn't be surprised if he built this dungeon solely as an amusent park for his personal entertainment, and that his real identity was Xom himself.

>>150685203
Shine on you crazy diamond.

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>>150682548
Technically Zopband but yes.
>>150682912
Fighting/Ranged increase with how much damage you deal. Saving throw increases with [idunno].
Also, that's "[134" you see, not "[134]".
>>150683128
I think the integer overflowed. I should have ~34000 HP.

>>150683665
I dunno, what happens when you go upstairs on D:1? Maybe your mom kicks your ass for coming home without the orb.

why are killer klowns edible, the fuckers keep changing colors even after they die

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Splatted against something (I think some poisonous frogs) and am trying again. This sewer was guarded entirely by purgy and 4 bats. It was by far the easiest sewer I have ever done.

>>150685531
>3880%
O-oh.

Which roguelike lets me be Harambe taking revenge?

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>>150685203
I thought I must be near death since my stats plummeted. Nope, apparently my CBM binge put me into amphetamine withdrawal, which reduces every stat but strength by ten or more.

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Do I have a chance of killing Pikel here? He has a whip of elec so I definitely cannot directly fight him.
>>150685948
Shoo shoo meme goblin

>>150686138
>Wait for him to be in range
>Poke him to death
Ez game ez life

>>150686138
>Do I have a chance
there's always a chance since it's based on rng

>>150686364
He runs away upon being poked and will regen the damage unless I roll great on every single hit.

>>150686471
Come out of the water to lure him back, then poke again. If you have patience you can kill him without taking any damage.

>>150686471
You can basically chill in the water, poking and swimming forever. Should be cake once you remove the slaves.

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I'm tempted to put a few levels on lblades to get it to 0.6 delay or so, but I already put almost 8 on polearms and it's going to be obsolete soon anyways

But holy shit 0.9-0.8 delay for free with +10 enchantment is nice

>>150686995
>+10
>speed

oh bab-

>falchion

Never mind.

>>150686995
Would just keep leveling polearms if you have 8 levels. That thing is great now, but won't last.

>>150686968
Aight, I see what you're saying, but imma save those poor fuckers so that makes it a touch harder.

>>150687178
REMOVE SLAVES

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>>150687279
NO
FISH PERSON WANT HUMAN WAIFU

>tfw mummy fatigue

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>>150686135
Two days later and I'm better enough to craft my way out.

Has anyone ever managed to starve? I've lasted twelve days on nothing but a bag of chips. Seems a bit odd, but I guess everything is odd with DDA's 24 hour days but short seasons.

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It's like I'm playing ADOM again.

>>150686138
>shoo shoo meme goblin

>David Bowie
>Prince
>Muhammad Ali
>Harambe
Come on man it's been a rough year

>>150688049
>>David Bowie
>>Prince
>>Muhammad Ali
>>Harambe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueZ6tvqhk8U

>tfw finally find robe of the vines
It's time the great mage is reborn.

I'll cast tornado / glaciate / fire storm, while my comfy robe will heal my body to full quickly.

inb4
>ac
>gdr

+5 HP/s is all I need.

>>150688492
>>gdr
GDR is a stat which is overrated by badplayers and rated highly only by other badplayers.

That said, best you be worshipping Makhleb and toting a CBoE if you want to zig.

>>150687516
i know that feel
I'm resting my bandages right now

>>150689464
>>150687516
Just play as a few games as Mummy without restriction to release that stress.

>>150683665
well if you leave the dungeon or die or otherwise fail to get the orb in time, the world ends in about 38 years

>>150667227
>-3 hand axe

If only there was a way to avoid this kind of situation.

>>150689685
Then I'll get DCSS fatigue. I can only hold down o and tab for so long

>>150689848
I know, I was the fucker who calculated that the fastest you move without special shit like tengu flight is a brisk jog.

>>150685531
saving throw is just based on your wisdom in *bands

in PCB you can also increase it by wearing antimagic items

>>150688492
>>150689032
>tfw get great AC/EV/SH just in time for it to pretty much not matter at all.
T-Thanks Linley-sempai....

>>150668164

That's exactly what I did as soon as I saw 2 hell sentinels and a smoke demon on my LOS. My hp got chipped by a Panlord, not from that thicc hell sentinel. I actually came from several tiles away from where I were since I spent a lot of turns hanging at 23 Invo. Expected that they'd at least me dig through the wall I was facing so I could regenerate while digging a killhole but my luck ran out at the right time.

Should have used temporal distortion instead so I could at least have the chance of melee'ing the fuck out of them and if I failed, I could use it again.

>>150687535
if you take psychopath you can even eat the broken cyborgs and the mutagenic fetuses so you can go even longer without starving

I think dying directly by starvation is super rare in DDA but there's a decent chance of dying if you run into the middle of a city looking for food because you're ABOUT to starve

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>>150689890
MuWn of first altar.

Make me proud.

>>150688492
nerfed. only 2.8 hp/turn now

>>150689857
wield-iding random shitty ego weapons is dumb especially when you have no ?rc, but sometimes a non-runed weapon just happens to be -3 and cursed

it's like 1 every 10 games so it's not enough to actually be worth changing your play over, but it happens

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Look at what I just found!

>>150690906
Wow it's fukken nothing?

>>150690906
>Mf
Literally worse than useless. It's already useless, but that it spawned instead of something else means that it used up a slot that good loot could have spawned in.

>>150691164
Well merfolks have a neutral apt once your free ride to 26 dodge is over.

>>150690337
I love FN so much.

>>150690514
I get 5 HP/s if I use regeneration spell.
But, now I'm in lichform most of the time.

>>150690282
I thought I'd be smart and scavenge for some food in the bushes.

I don't have a pot to actually cook my wild vegetables in.

>>150690906
Literally nothing for a qaz man. You wear scale or something medium like that.

>>150691671
can you throw rocks at oppossums or something?

worst comes to worst you just find a zombie to much on and temporarily stave shit off (until you vomit and start starving again)

>>150691671
If you have a day and a half of life and morale in ya, go use sheets to make, shell hickory nuts or cut digging sticks, forage, process the shit to seeds and make a stone pot. Cut up some clothing from the lab or smash some extra lab beds for rags to pick for string if you can't do the rags to short rope you then disassemble for thread.

>>150690337
>>150691406
what game

>>150692138
no clue what it is but it's definitely not a roguelike

>>150692138
It's not a game, it's https://innawoods.net/

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>>150691908
I could just shoot them if I can get close enough with my 25 speed.

I waited for night and went to the house I could see on my map instead, and got some nachos. No frying pans or pots here either though. So long as I don't stumble into something like a hulk and find food to increase my speed by morning it shouldn't be too bad.

>>150692343
>>150692348
>He doesn't use innawoods for his cdda loadout

>>150692498
why even play cdda

>>150692684
Truly dark times

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Welp, Orc 1 was harder than Orc 2 because of a castle themed vault that all came crashing out the moment I came in the level. Had some decent loot but no really good shops. I already cleared all of D before orc because of that and now I have spider and shoals.
I'll show inventory next I guess.

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>>150690337

>not indulging in duct tape and a duct tape weapon

fault

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>>150692348
i dont get it

>>150693258
I wish they didn't make duct tape so retardedly punishing to get. Like mason jars, it's fucking everywhere.

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So, any real advice?

Also, I was reading up on noise levels and I don't understand why some of them are the way they are. Wouldn't spider's nest be quieter than the normal dungeon? And why would the Hall of Blades, if i'm picturing it correctly, not be louder than dungeon?

>>150693537
and then you try to repair something on your car while your welder's 1 tile out of range and accidentally blow your whole duct tape supply

>>150693961
I always store 100% of my tape either out of view in my jerkoff room or in my welding rigs tile so the only way that can happen is if my battery is dead. Hate it so much.

>>150693415
>montezuma's revenge

>>150693587
On what? Get 26 polearm and dodge, good armor and fighting and win.

>>150693415
>>150694289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v1KKXDdJLs

also for some godawful reason (unless this was changed?) you can't actually see how much tape it will take to repair something

>>150693587
>So, any real advice?
Go away.

>>150694418
>On what?
I don't know. What particular weapon I should be wielding for spider, which armor is best, is there any equipment I'm lacking in.
>>150694558
Nope.

>>150694418
https://youtu.be/tVQ0niE_dSo
This version is of higher sound quality.

>>150693587
ambient noise is SUBTRACTED from the noise you make

the hall of blades has -7 ambient noise which means it's really fucking quiet, which in turn means that noises you make will stand out more

>>150694874
>which in turn means that noises you make will stand out more
Exactly, why wouldn't a bunch of weapons clinking around not be noisy? The stairs are chipped and worn away so they gotta be running into walls and shit at some points so why is it nearly as quiet as tomb?

>>150694438
Granade and the rest of the salt committee changed it so costs are influenced by how much it actually repairs.

>>150694671
Heaviest weapon you can hit with reliably so probably the glaive and soon the bardiche if you got the occasional fighting.

>>150695071
Because they don't fart, complain about elves, eat cereal really loud with their mouths open, dig holes, murder and consume small animals, or hold poetry recitals. Or spar, if that's what you're thinking.

>>150695071
Probably because they aren't clinking around and batting into eachother and walls all the time.

>>150694671
the weapon you should be using is almost entirely based on your current polearms skill. just pick the best of halberd/glaive/bardiche which you have under 1.0 delay on, and drop everything else

as soon as you have enough skill to start using the bardiche you should blow your ?ench and ?brand on it of course, but you probably knew that

you should also drop those extra armors because none of them give resists you don't already have and they're just taking up space in your inventory

also, do you really have no better rings? sinv is useful but mostly just as a swap to put on when you run into something invis. it does nothing 99% of the time


>>150694247
>using rooms
>not living in a car
but why

>>150695523
The homo room in my car.

>>150695523
Nah, he's got a decent chance of finding a +2 somewhere and if he can find one with chopping he's got it made.

>>150696268
you have multiple rooms in your car?

I just get an RV from somewhere and do a driving cabin in the front and a not-visible-from-outside everything-else room in the back with all my shit

>>150696415
you get enough scrolls to have more than +9 by endgame anyways, no point holding off on enchanting an endgame-tier weapon just because you think you might find one with a better brand or slightly higher enchant

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Spider was easier than I thought it would be but then again there weren't nearly as many ghost moths or lightning wasps as I was expecting to see.

I'm going to assume if I die in shoals as a Mf i should just quit the game forever so imma do my best not to fault.

Also, is chopping good enough or should i rebrand it hoping for something better?

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Desperate times call for chugging an entire bottle of mustard.

10 nutrition / 10 quench / no morale seems unexpectedly good for this.

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>>150696903
The grocery store seemed like a good place to go. Well, time sure passes quickly when it takes over a minute to move two squares.

Thankfully I had to grind cooking up with these because they saved my life.

I think I'll go make the stone pot.

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>>150697713
Literally smashed them so hard they vanished

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Goddamn finally, had all 3 stairs to Shoals:4 be in the same damn place with Bai Suzhen and Ilsiuw in the same place. Had to stairdance like a bastard to finally clear enough away to pop a scroll of silence and end the bastards.

So, what should i acquire? Jewelry?

>>150696568
Yeah. I like having it so if needed I can engage sprint, exit, close the door and bail. It just got a trauma thing from the old days

>>150698314
Just not cut out for this crafting thing.

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>>150699297
So hungry I ate my image.

>>150698314
Why is craft-failing even a thing? If you know the recipe and have the requisite skill(s) you should be able to make the thing.

Superior skill should only affect speed of crafting.

>>150696851
chop is good

chop weapons average about 116% as much damage as unbranded vs flame/frost which do 125% but have to deal with resistances

basically anything other than venom/protect/disto/chaos is good for you

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Well, that's a thing.

Which reminds me, are there any good unrandarts for polearms?

>>150699723
That dragonbane lance, glaive of the guard and prune. All are good. What is your invo at?

>>150699723
There's wyrmbane which can become a +18 weapon and the glaive of the guard which is basically an elec protection +8 glaive.

>>150699723
Glaive of the Guard is outstanding.
It's a +8 glaive {protect, elec, SInv +Rage}

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>>150700004

>>150699479
Nigga why can't you listen. I said make seeds.There's no point to pissing your string away when you just have to make some seeds for a like 95% success rate.

>>150699572
I think it's kind of like that if you have a book reference.

>>150699723
Wyrmbane/trident of the octopus king have good gimmicks and are pretty good. Scythe of curses has a neat gimmick. Glaive of the prune is an alright weapon for a while. Glaive of the guard is diesel as fuck.

>>150700135
You're doing very well, my boy. Get your fighting and dodging up to like 18, and completely max out invo after that. QAZLOUD'S DISASTER AREA will literally 1hko everything at that point, provided you're the least bit lucky. Nothing should withstand 2 of them.

>no unrand exe axe or bardiche

>>150700382
Frostbite is an exec axe.

>>150700382
>11 sword unrands
>spear and axe have 11 total when added together
>ranged weapons have 6
>Slings don't even get anything good, you can literally get a better greatsling just by enchanting
Unrands are a mistake.

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>>150700239
Oh, that helped a lot. I have literally never made seeds before and had no idea they were difficulty 2 survival

>>150700382
Go ahead and write one then. You immediately have to drop its enchantment level so it's not OP bullshit, immediately making it inferior to a +9 chopping. So you can give it a gimmick effect like the fencing gloves, discharge rapier, or an effect set like the ring of shadows/cloak of fog. Make the new firestarter famalam.

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I just tabbed through something that no mortal should have been able to tab through.

I think i'm going to finish the ambush then go to sleep. Finish Vaults:5 and the rest later.

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>>150700643
>>150692035
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
I curse you! A pox upon you and seven sons of your line.

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Would the mana and piety be better spent on upheavals? Probably. Would it be as fun? Nah.

>>150700876
>.11
I'm pretty sure stat death is a thing so definitely yes.

Even without it you'd be passing out so often and not being able to tp scroll would kill you eventually. I don't know how you got that way or why you thought it was a good idea to continue but you're there.

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>>150701095
Fucking beautiful. You're doing QAZLOUD'S work son.

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>>150700643
I've eaten 15 cooked wild vegetables and 3 scrambled eggs and am still near starving.

Seems like you actually have to eat fifteen days worth of food to recover from fifteen days of fasting.

>>150701652
Yup. that's right.

>>150685471
In a better world, Zot would be another shift on the keyboard over from Xom and Zin.

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>>150701593
Decided "fuck it" and cleared all of vaults:5. Got a bit dangerous at times but never really at risk of death.
Got hat of the bear which would be great if the other good gear I had rElec but whatever. I'm done for the night, I want to sleep and be ready for depths and zot to redefine my asshole as I get cocky as fuck.

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>>150702128
>passing up hat of the bear spirit for rElec
Jesus christ, /rlg/.

>>150702578
I never said I wasn't going to wear that shit, just that I don't have other good rElec and relying entirely on qazloud to get it for me is a dangerous game.

I take it you've never faced down Nikola without rElec to take it for granted as such.

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>>150701652
Finally recovered. Probably took near 50 cooked vegetables and 15 scrambled eggs.

>>150702757
He's normal speed. I just walk away.
Alternatively, quaff !Resist.
Every Elec damage threat in the game is totally avoidable- or a post-game consideration. rElec is of very low importance.

For Nikola specifically:
His most dangerous spell hits multiple times, so wouldn't that proc your resistance on the first hit?

>>150703358
>walk away from Nikola
[zapping intensifies.jpg]
And no, your innate QAZLOUD resist will not proc on the first hit. All the damage happens at once, and it'll only kick in after getting gigazapped right in the fish hole. He'd have to quaff resist or pop DISASTER AREA.

>>150702578
he already has a spirit amulet so it's basically just hat of MR for him. rN isn't a real stat

>>150704365
You are not very bright are you?
"Walk away" is a general term for doing what needs to be done to get away from a dangerous monster.

crawl fucking blows dicks
incursion's last update was last year
qud will never get made
tome4 blows even more and bigger dicks
pcb is a giant chore

fuck this shit
i'm gonna learn sil

>>150704589
Took you long enough, anon.

>>150704559
Whenever we say walking away, we mean it quite literally.

>>150704761
s/we/autists/

>>150704589
why not try the clusterfuck that is Cataclysm?

>>150704365
>>150704559
"literally walk away" works a lot better when you have nonzero stealth so the enemy doesn't notice you on the first turn they're in LOS

>>150704853
>s/we/autists/
this is a roguelikes thread on a mongolian basked-weaving forum anon. those two words mean the same thing

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>>150704853
Its mostly for early dungeon stuff where the only thing you need to do to not die is walk away from the ogre. Later on, it gets a little more involved with ranged attacks and its more of a serpentine maneuver that carries on the spirit of walking away. Usually involving burning resources.

>>150705032
Thanks for summing it up for the dullards, friend.

>>150705213
Anon seemed to be misunderstood about what "walking away" meant.

>>150705350
Autism: Not Just A Meme

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>>150705449
Where do you think we are?

>collect 5k gold from various place (Ziggurat, Tomb, Depths, etc)
>visit the bazaar without time out
>haha, time for shopping rF+++ rC+++ Regen+ Dex+10 artifacts.
>4 abandoned shops
>content is really shitty, there's not even benmut
>still no cblink book

Fuck this shit.
Maybe I should grind another ziggurat

>>150704952
>>150705607
>its okay to be oblivious to connotation/analogy because we're in /rlg/
No anon. No it's not.

>>150705913
>Just tab Cerebov
>But what I really meant was evoke bob, haste them, buff up AND THEN TAB HIM.

>>150699720
>disto
>not good
nigga you high

>>150700630
>weapons that are 90% of the time better than their randart counterparts that spawn in their place are a mistake
ok

>>150706182
That's: "《B o B》Cerebov." Try again.

>>150706182
i tabbed cerebov as a 27 UC TrBe in sprint

>>150706726
Disto is annoying since it blinks enemies around

>>150706726

You're high.

>>150706726
Disto is obviously great, but also the most absolutely frustrating brand to use. Its worse than amulet of dispersal as far as annoyance goes.

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What has been apported, can't be unapported, oh wait.

>5 months ago
The clock won't stop tickin'.

>>150711795
How the hell do you only have 16 AC in lichform?

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>>150711795
>Abyss:5

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>>150712028
I'm wearing robe of Vines, and I have bunch of shitty randart with +0.
Maybe I should wear that buckler of protection back and wear regular hat.

But I have Ozocubu's armor for burst AC.

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>tfw i feel like playing dcss more and more lately
>last win was 9 months ago with a meme character
What should i do? Are 0.18 and/or 0.19 worth playing now really? Or should i just play 0.17 or 0.16 and have fun?

>>150712920
What's wrong with 0.18 and 0.19?

>>150712920
Play 0.14 for lava orcs and stuff

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>>150712920
MuMo

>>150713285
Removal of rMut

>>150713285
Too many fun stuff removed, added bunch of retarded shit

>>150713287
No, i like versions 0.15 and onwards the most desu

>>150713323
No.. Not anymore..

>>150713486
is that you implo

>>150680691
Doesn't snail get better at level 50 or something anyways

>>150713606
No, im just a casual shitter, sort of

>>150713746
snail has only 3 item slots of which 2 would be negated if you're going melee.
only "advantage" would be they gain more AP later into the game due to very low starting speed.

>>150712920
Play trunk.

>>150712920
.15/.16 is still the best out of those.

>>150712920
play .19 and get a win with pakellas and a win with hep b

>>150714913
both of those gods are boring as fuck after the first like 20 minutes of playing with them.

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Are my items meant to be this garbage?

My next options are Elf:3, Depths or Slime and I don't feel like I could comfortably take any of them.

>>150713356

>rMut

Hmm.... so this is how shitters see things... really makes u think huh

>>150713323
I've never understood, why shields are ok, but bucklers are not?

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>>150716223
Nevermind, an Ogre Mage sent me on a quest for the abyssal rune.

>>150716421

Because bucklers require way too little investment it's like cheating. It's basically free stats even if you don't put a single dot of exp on it. The encumbrance is always ignorable for bucklers.

>>150716635
But why shields are allowed if everything else is forbidden?

>>150716261
removal or rMut did literally nothing but make the later part of the game more tedious.
aka adding artificial tediousness
inb4 "but the optimal play was to shoot the malmutators from edge of los anyways"

>>150716920

>everything else

Which?

>>150717190

If you're a playertabber who has unironically invested nothing for killing malmutators in range then you have also no right to complain that your only way of dealing with them is inefficient.

>>150704589
Don't forget Brogue. Cut it with some Elona+ inferno mode, forrays into norrendin, infra arcana and dynahack.

Qud was and it's still shit

>>150713746
I think it was that it didn't really matter because you can get more limbs from Gavella in south tyris like 50 hours in and you could hero cheese the life back or something.

>>150717545
the point was that removing rMut did absolutely nothing for the most part, only adding more annoying things you absolutely have to look out for, to the part of the game that is already filled with those things

>>150721890

The removal of rMut is to directly penalize playertabbers who only knows how to melee and further emphasize the benefits of ranged attacks/conjurations.

It didn't do absolutely nothing, it's the complete opposite actually.

>>150722894
>It didn't do absolutely nothing, it's the complete opposite actually.
only thing it did was _encourage_ otab melee characters to train throwing from 0 to x instead of that 25th level of armour, and ONLY IF they chose to do Pan/Hell
so yeah
its literally absolutely nothing.

>>150723868
This. Oh wow they spend like 10 skill levels of xp (fucking nothing) on something that was formerly irrelevant to make it irrelevant.

>>150723868
and this came at the cost of increasing the tedious shit that Pan/Hell already are, for every single character out there, because they now have to deal with the mutator right when they step in los, just to force that 1% of characters skill a bit more optimally

>>150714220
I am playing trunk now with a meme class again

>>150714770
Yup, i liked them the most as i said earlier

>>150714913
2pak is broken and really stupid

>>150725208
Atheist HuWn then senpai. Streak 27 to end the cycle of DCSS posting.

>>150725476
Im playing MuAs now

>>150725618
>Not MuAr of 2Pak
Do you even Hungermancy??

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>>150719368
>anon complains about PCB being a chore
>recommend him elona+

>>150729484
Nothing's a chore when it's for your waifu. How can you claim you love her if you wont spend days abducting little girls from their homes and selling them to an old man.

>>150729484
Who is this fluid druid?

>>150729735
Tara from the park down the road. Save her from her daily uterus battering at her broken home.

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Nigga we page 10 again.

>Go with axes cause muh cleave
>Ice cave has a randart triple sword, randart falchion, and the autumn katana

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>>150692348

>>150734068
this looked comfy until I realized you were wearing two nearly-empty backpacks and a ghillie suit

>>150696903
I used to eat five or six packets of ketchup straight as a kid. Ought to be a morale bonus tbqh fampai.

>>150734358
>carrying around a bunch of stuffed packs that weigh you down
I've got a feeding pouch and a backpack with my cozy needs. Maybe I could throw in some bottled water for cleaning.

>ghillie suit
I don't know what that is. I just picked it because it looked like chewbacca and chewbacca always looked very comfy.

>>150734068
What's the tape for, sealing your asshole shut so you don't waste calories?

>>150735468
duct tape is the greatest invention of mankind
it is the ultimate multitool

>>150717545
> invested nothing for killing malmutators

Yeah let me invest a lot of skill points in dealing with those pink demons that only show up as summons and those yellow circles that only show up on Zot:5.

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>wanting to play a summoner
>this shop appears at D:4

God fucking dammit; I just wanna play a caster for once, game.

>>150739006
Ranged weapons + portal projectile + summon chaff (which as you should know by now is the only thing you actually can summon) is a legitimate build.

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I'm back and the depths are more dangerous than I thought. BUT LOOK AT WHAT THIS GODDAMN OGRE MAGE HAD

>>150740506
Fucking ogre mages, splatting due to holding on to scrolls instead of read-IDing.

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>>150740818
What the hell should I even acquire with these things? Goddamn I wish you could acquire consumables. Get stuff like enchant weapon scrolls, benmut pots or curemut pots.

>>150741281
I'd go for armour, but that's just me.

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>>150741543
Found boots on the floor that puts me at str 14 and cloak off of an acquirement. There's also a trove asking for 6 scrolls of blinking which there are 4 that I currently know of. Should I acquire jewelry or wait?

>>150716920
because bucklers are OP in terms of XP in to benefit out, but shields aren't

>>150743246
do NOT but all your scrolls of blinking into a trove holy shit

>>150744613
Nevermind. Splatted in depths 3. I'm depressed now.

>>150744613
Fucking coward get out

>>150749221
Yes?

>>150749483
grr

>>150749683
Dont you grr me

>>150743246
http://pastebin.com/PXSHU1u3
Here is morgue. I already know I faulted hard. Should have popped the fucking scrolls of blink to get back to the stairs.

>immolation scrolls blow you up too

I learned something and died

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Is Qazloud good on a DEEE? I don't want to sacrifice my stealth, but lately I'm tempted to sacrifice my stealth.

>>150751502
>+1 invocation
>already has great AoE
>no defenses other than picking fights well
I'm going to go ahead and say no.

On one hand I want to get good

On the other I'm really fucking burned out from crawl and roguelikes in general and die faster than I normally woud

>>150752776
There are other games to play than roguelikes and there are other things to do with your time than play games and post on 4chan. Go mix it up.

>>150752776
>getting good

nigga it's about throwing yourself down there til you luck into a decent build and savoring the time you're spending in some part of the dungeon you've never seen before

beating the game is a myth

>>150752776
Its "stalling out edition" for a reason m8. Its at the point where i'm banging my head against the wall for the one good run where I can get past lair only do fault hard.

>>150753972
>>150754146
/rlg/ Why are you so bad at roguelikes?

What god should I go with for FoFi? Ash, Gozag or hold out for oka?

>>150755043
Oka, i think makhleb might work well aswell not sure, ru but it might be pushing it with sacrifices

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>>150754371
>forgetting how to have fun

>>150755387
Those folks up there don't seem to be having terribly much fun "banging their head against the wall."

>>150755995
It's literally one guy

Is there any reason not to go Chei? I'm a snake-human poison mage

>>150756090
It is probably at least 2.

>>150756498
Naga of Chei is about as suboptimal as you can get. It's fun and strong but also completely at the mercy of RNG the moment walking away or repositioning would be best. Which is often

On the other hand you can instakill anything even slightly fast with Slouch and some Invo

>>150756498
>Is there any reason not to go Chei?
Moving 10 auts slower seems like a pretty good reason to me.

>>150756498
The only reason not to play something is that you don't have fun playing it.

Which roguelikes eschew bump combat aside from Hoplite and SME? Mild pass for Sil and Brogue. Please don't mention ToME4.

>>150761775
You can do bump combat in DF, but I'd advice against it.

Well then, convokers are more dangerous than I thought.

>>150761927
If you don't have a --more-- set up for convokers you're dping it wrong.

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>>150761927
Forgot this.

>>150762182
Nigga you 'bout to get hella raped.

>>150763680
Bitch I already died 3 more times in different sprints, you late as fuck. But yeah, i'm surprised I got him as far as I did before dying. He was at like 35% hp.

>>150761927
>The spiny frog convoker comes into view.
>The spiny frog convoker croaks loudly!
>You die...

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>>150764453
>spiny frog convoker

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>>150766036
>>150766261
Filename-fagging ought to be a bannable offense. Really.

>Spriggan enchanter of dithmenos

Why are people allowed to splat this shit and then bother me with their player ghost?

>>150739006
And? You're gonna want some form of either attack or channeling. Better yet, sniper will let you accurately portal proj through your swarms like >>150739970 says.

>>150739970
>tfw your KoSk gets summon hydra online
Boners for days.

>>150751462
It's good later on. You chain it with a ranged attack on a pack. Shreds them. Or just pack rF+++/!resistance

>>150767536
Are you implying you could have a near 100% win rate with worstrace of worstgod? Go ahead and do it