/fgog/ - Fate/Grand Order General

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I love my waifu.

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>>150248150
Xth For Best Pirates.

>>150248150
Tsukihime collab when?

Reminder that Gareth will be best grill

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>>150248303
In 5 minutes

>/fgog/ is now trying to pretend Medb isn't an unfixable dogshit of a 5*

Literally 10.2k Attack and two useless skills.

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So what's the verdict on the new strengthenings so far? A lot of these actually look really solid, better than most of the ones we've gotten in the past in terms of giving little-used Servants a niche.

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KING
OF
CUTE

>>150248007
Based

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>>150248303
After the remake comes out

>>150248392
>Summary anon wanking Melvin
I knew shitposters flocked together

>MHX instinct now also gives a self 50% 1 turn quick buff at max
How high do you rate her with that change?

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Xth for best Lancer

>>150248375
It's a bunch of sad sacks that rolled her in the Jew Gacha and trying desperately to convince themselves that she isn't bad. Forget Kintoki Rider, even Ushiwakamaru does more damage then her.

>>150248375
>1-2 person is now /fgog/

Look I don't care about what you are discussing but fuck off

>>150248419
Great soundtrack for this anime.

>>150248375
Where are the two useless skills again? Also
>unfixable
Even fucking Melvin knows better.

>>150248392
Shiki anon here

not bad

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>>150248523
Yes? you rang?

>>150248381
They fucked up. At least when they shat all over Martha they still left the chance of a third skill that could make her better.

Now they basically confirmed the fact that Lancelot will always be the worst 4* Berserker.

Avenger Matt Hardy when?

>>150247823
>still this delusional
Tristan is canonically stronger than your curryshit. The knights are insanely strong, no matter how much you hate it. Bedivere needed Excaliarm only to be able to match the other Knights, and he one shotted Ozzy's Sphinx which is equal to 3 Servants in power and implied to be the incarnation of a god and far stronger than Dragons.

>10 Fou-Kun Cards

You'd think the cunts could just shell out a 20-20 set for free for once. I mean come the fuck on, compared to the ten tickets this would be nothing.

Mordred is NOT a shitter

>>150248471
An extra bonus like that for maxing skills would be interesting in general.

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Threadly reminder to report and ignore shitposters and false flaggers. They only reply to themselves if no one takes their bait

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How would you rate the nip taste?

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This blush was worth the 20 chains.

>>150248419
Why did you post a blank image?

>>150248664
Thanks Ciel-Senpai.

>>150248612
Too early for powerlevel shitposting. Fuck off.

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Sakura when

>>150248701
JAlter/10

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>>150248584
A 50% crit boost seems like the perfect thing for the Crit Berserker though. Granted, the NP gain is a little weird, but he's certainly a lot better off than before.

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>>150248573
You're not a Lancer even if you are using a spear RAD VLAD

>>150248584
>higher NP gen than Gilgamesh with Golden Rule
>50% crit up
>bad
Memers are at it again. Rememeber how you wanted to stay delusional the first days saying Gawain was better than Saber Lancelot gameplaywise?

>>150248701
>Altria (on milk)
my sides

>>150248701
>Gilgamesh 2nd highest of males
It's redeemable

>>150248701
> The Mystery of the Heroine X
That's just sad.

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please kill me

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>>150248701
>Okita that high
good taste!
MHX is also around

>>150248634
10 tickets would cost 100 mana prisms
20 fous would cost 300 mana prisms

the tickets would be nothing compared to the cost of fous.

>>150248471
Instinct somehow not being a dodge skill has never made any fucking sense. The actual description is basically both Eye of the Mind skills at once souped up to the point where she can occasionally see the future and the only times it comes up in the story is when she's dodging something. It should at LEAST be comparable to Protection from Arrows, though a Cu-tier dodge would probably make Arturia way too fucking resilient.

>>150248634
On the bright side we're getting another set this month split between tomorrow and the day after. But yea, I have no clue why they limit the ability to buy fou-kuns in the first place.

>>150248701
>(on milk)

>>150248701
>Altria (on milk) that low
>Okita higher
Japan, please

>>150248782
>all pseudo servants end up as strong as waver, with different niches

>>150248375
You have to be retarded if you think a single 5* is unfixable after Waver. If the absolute worst 5* can become the best unit in the whole game, I'm pretty sure a low-tier 5* can become decent.

Or maybe you're just a newfag who didn't know how bad Waver was before he got buffed.

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>>150248701
>The mystery of the heroine x

>>150248701
>no Nobu
FUCKING HELL 2 NUKES WEREN'T ENOUGH KILL ALL THE DIRTY NIPS

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Is misc shitposting getting deleted in the friend spreadsheet?

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>>150249056

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LIZ THREAD

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CAKE BUFF SOON!
I hope they fix Grace of God if its her.
Maybe add healing effect rate up like Iri/MedeaLily.

>>150248907
10 tickets cost 200, actually.

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>>150248701
>(on milk)

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>>150248701
>Astolfo that low

Who has the best voice clips and why is it Mainyu?
>LEVEL UP
>SHAZAM SHAZAM

What would be stronger, Excalibarm or the real Airgetlam? Airgetlam was actually made to be used as arm instead of being made into a makeshift one like Excalibarm and should be a divine construct considered it was the prosthetic limb of a war god. But then Excalibur is just fucking broken.

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>>150248664
Ciel-Senpai, why did you wear such lewd swimwear?

>>150249017
>waver was bad
>the absolute worst

>>150249105
PISS OFF YOU TUBERCULOSE SABERFACED OVERRATED WHORE GO DIE A SLOW PAINFUL DEATH SOMEWHERE ELSE

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>>150249017
To be fair, most of the judgement Waver got was due to his first two skills, the crit damage boost in particular, being far less flashy than his damage buff. That along with the fact that we didn't have shit for materials to improve them or ascend him gave him a horrible impression, since he's pretty unimpressive in terms of damage, and I believe he's got a growth curve that makes him a shitter near the start.

Then he got NP boost, and became the strongest thing in the game.

>>150248782
Are Parvati and Ishatar going to be Casters? There's already too many 5* Casters as it is.

>>150248796
Even if it was just the 50%, it was enough. Retards around here just want to meme about fucking everything and picked on the NP gain and ignored the crit damage up.

Lancelot should be filling like 40% - 50% of the gauge just from an Arts crit with Mana Inversion. 70%+ if Arts chain

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>>150249228
scaaary

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>>150249228
no bully..

Who's the better servant to go with Vlad, Waver or Tamamo?

>>150249280
Exactly. At least he's not sitting at 2 skills that hinge entirely on him either having stars to take or his NP up. I mean he's still like that since Crit Damage, but it's a tangible boost that isn't entirely negated by having 50 stars on the turn he has a Brave chain

>>150249242
>Per-So-Na!

>>150249412
Mozart

>>150249412
Both

>>150249219
>>150249242
He was still pretty awful. Whether you agree he was the worst 5* at the time or not, the point I think is clear. To claim any unit is unfixable is complete horseshit, and DW have actually been pretty good at rebalancing units as they should be. Even Shirou can be made good.

Who's the Jannetty of Fate and why is it Cu?

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>rolling tickets
>get golden orbs while rolling
>it's a Caster
>start thinking i've gotten Da Vinci
>it's just Helena

>>150249402
Please don't post that shit anymore.

I'll fucking kill you and your family if you don't. Thanks.

So is Nitocris only loving Ozzy a meme or what

what are her bond lines

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Is rider training seriously the only way to get reverse scale? I need 2 to max seiba and this is fucking bullshit

>>150249412
In the long term, Tamamo's bond CE is better for him than Waver's.

>>150249508
wEw lAd

>>150249528
Ozzy is her senpai

>>150249470
If you can only pick one, who is more important?

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>>150248612
airgetlam you uncultured swine.
If what i'm thinking is correct then in the arm is claiomh solais one of the four treasures of the Tuatha Dé Danann.
which is nasu just ripping off a manga called Arago.


>>150248817
Lancer of black you punk.

>>150249176
Airgetlam was nothing more than a silver arm in celtic mythos that was given to naudha by the god of healing and some jabronie guy who desgined it.
Claim Solias was the blade of light with the effect "once drawn you cannot escape nor can you resist it."
One of the four treasures of the Tuatha Dé Danann.

>>150249503
not a bad spook though

>>150249503
>just Helena
Off yourself

>>150249412
Probably Tamamo since Vlad has no reason to need to crit and doesn't have any trouble building NP. Plus 50% Arts > 30% damage

>>150249541
>not having 100 spare dragon scales

does anyone have a account they don't use with any 5*? my phone bricked and after recovering it no only my account was gone but also my transfer info
[email protected]

>>150249528
People seem to conveniently forget that Servants in the story frequently act a little bit differently than they do in My Room and in Interludes.

>>150248701
Everything below the top 4 are irrelevant, so good.

>>150249274
Parvati can be pretty much any class. Ishtar fits best as an Archer.

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>>150249139
>Hoarding for Lancer Arturia
>227 Quartz
>28 Tickets
>10 More coming
>All in all equivalent to 341 tickets.
>113 rolls. Probably a bit more by the time the gacha rolls about.
>Around 68% chances of a 5* in all.

I just want the gacha to come so it can put me out of my misery already, one way or the other.

>>150249474
He wasn't awful retarded faggot. Thanks to his shit stat curve, lack of mats to ascend skills and an awful non-damaging NP when people were creaming themselves for AoE NPs lead to the meme that Waver was bad.

Everyone slowly started to realize he was fine specially when they could compare him to an actual bad 5* caster like Tamamo.

Then DW made him broken with free NP bar for everyone.

>>150249541
event shop

>>150249474
Of course. If DW puts the work in and wants to, anyone can be good. Gil is amazing with just a few tweaks, Waver went from unassuming to a memetic support god, and I'm sure we'll get another huge transformation at some point.

Of course, they have to want to help the Servant in question not be shit, and I'm not sure if they'll be doing that for unpopular ones like Medb and Shirou

>>150249692
So you can sell it back on reddit?

>>150249427
His 2nd skill is still terrible for anything that isn't his NP, but he does even more damage than before with his 3rd skill, which is already good enough by itself. The NP gain is just an extra.

>>150249756
Isn't that 68% chance at any 5* though, not Lancer Arturia

>>150249503
Helena's a better team player though.

>>150249324
FUCK OFF YOU HAVE LIKE 6 FIGURES WHILE NOBU HAS JACK SHIT JUST KEEL OVER ALREADY FOR FUCK'S SAKES

>our system thinks your post is spam
fuck off hiro

>>150249692
sent Da Vinci+ Vlad

>>150248701
>Altria (on milk)
Is that what the nips call Lancer?

>>150249867
Not during a rateup.

So correct me if i'm wrong but:
>gawain, gaheris, agravain and gareth+their half brother/sister mordred all became KoftR.
>All them basically told her mother to fuck off
>even mordred who just did everything because daddy issues and a curse put on her.
>gawain is an elitist smug bastard who'd kill his own sister
>agravain is woman hating nutter
>gareth sounds like the only normal knight
>gaheris is ???

What a fucked up family.

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>>150249926
I'm sorry, I like nobu too.
I was also crying on this thread about the lack of nobu during wonfes.

>>150249615
>>150249628
>>150249915
I never said that I didn't really like Helena or that she was particularly bad. It's just the gold orbs rarely happen and it's mixed results when they do. I'd rather get a limited 5* than a 4* I can get at any time.

>>150249834
>Emiya
>unpopular
go look up the polls again, he's the most popular male after Gil

>>150249834
Are they actually that unpopular though? I've seen a fair bit of Medb fanart around, and Shirou already has some fans from Apocrypha. Sure, neither are Gilgamesh-tier for popularity, but I wouldn't put them at the bottom either. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we see at least an event with Medb (and Ireland in general) as the focus.

>>150249609
>airgetlam
No, that's not the real one. This is Excalibur turned into an arm. It's not the real Airgetlam.

>>150250045
I don't think rate-up helps that much anon, definitely not even a 50% boost over the others

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>>150250070
>prize fig

>>150249609
Pretty sure Merlin turned Excalibur into the arm, and Bedivere just started calling it Airgetlam for much the same reason Arturia used Barrier of the Wind King.

>>150250156
>>150250198
wow bedi you chunni little fuck.

>>150250123
Who said anything about EMIYA?

>>150249834
Shirou actually has fantastic skills. He's just really hurt by his shitty NP. He can spam NPs like nobodies business due to his NP skill and NP gain, generates a decent amount of stars and can stun servants. If his NP was good, he'd be really good.

>>150250140
>Ireland event
>Medb focus
0% chance of that ever happening, bitch doesn't even have an interlude and America is long done with

>>150250123
Amakusa.

Really, people should stop calling him Shirou given that we already have a much more popular character with that name. Two once they get the regular Shirou as a pseudo-servant.

>>150248889
I wouldn't even consider Astolfo as male for polls desu

>>150250140
The only fanart of her flying around isjust from 1 artist.

>>150250070
It's ok, I'm half-memeing, okita is cute. Still mad about no nobu figs though.

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Send help.

>>150250184

>>150249105

>>150250198
It's Da Vinci who identifies it as Airgetlam before Bedivere says anything.

>>150249998
chichiue

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This is the new strongest Servant.

>>150250395
typical female master

>>150250434
He still invokes it as "Switch-On Airgetlam."

Granted, Kintoki's NPs seem to imply that you can invoke an NP under a different name at the cost of weakening it.

>>150250140
If we get an Ireland event it'll have Caster Scat welfare and Scat finally permajoining the gacha, fuck Medb.

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>>150250361
Wait and Hope, we will get one someday.

>>150250395
What is Gudako doing on the battlefield?

>>150249814
>an awful non-damaging NP
That NP was pretty bad though since the chance to apply each debuff was way too low making it as effective as the NP of some bronze servants.

>>150250458
>jobbed to Cursed Arm's Shaytan

No

>>150250284
Sucks because his NP actually looks pretty good.

>>150250581
>Nobu #071
How many nobus do you have?

>>150250546
Well, it was turned into a new NP. It's no longer Excalibur. Just like how Hector's spear isn't called Durandal.

>>150249814
They didn't THINK he was bad, he really was bad, because you couldn't ascend him high enough to unlock his ATK buff until the Halloween event.

>>150250291
Servants released during America;
Nightingale
Cu Alter
Medb
Helena
Rama
Li Shuwen
Edison
Geronimo
Billy the Kid

Servants from America with an Interlude:
Edison

I mean, are you claiming all of these servants will never get one?

>>150248827
Golden Rule last 3 turns and Gil has the stars and cards to make best use of it.

>>150250546
If Bedivere gets an NP interlude in the future, it would be really cool If the voice clips change to Switch-On/Dead-end Excalibur or something

>>150250284
Not really, while AoE NPs are meme tier it's not what's wrong with him is that his skills are all over the place.

Evasion is fine but he can't output enough stars even with his skill active so he is relegated by others who actually can. Magecraft only lasts one turn and should feel like his big moment but it really doesn't. You can pop it off with clairvoyance and do an arts brave chain and still doesn't feel like you accomplished much. Not in term of stars or NP gen.

>>150250291
If they were to do an Ireland event, I think a boar raid would be a decent choice. Have Saber Deermud as the welfare servant and rider Oisin as the gacha servant.

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>>150250741
Not enough.

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Superior dog wins again.

>>150250883
yes, just like Okita and Nobu aren't ever getting them

>>150248701

>Jeanne Alter first

0/10

>>150250345
I'm pretty sure that's not the only style I've seen (although it is the best by far). My point is claims of how unpopular she is seem to be widely exaggerated because the /fgog/ hivemind doesn't like Medb. Outside of this place, she's not actually too unpopular. The nips seem to like the fangirl over Cu thing Medb has.

>>150250990
Does Pierce Invulnerability also bypass Evasion?

>>150248909
Stars represent a chance to find an opening or weakness in the enemy's defense. (Quicks, in turn, are meant to represent feints and other such attacks to give those openings)
Instinct giving stars falls in line with its lore.

>>150251017
>welfares
>ever getting an interlude

>>150250894
Golden Rule is also 50% at best. Gilgamesh even with low Golden Rule can fill the bar for 50% with a crits Art if it's the last card. Lancelot with a crits Arts should fill even more than a Golden Rule Lvl4 Gil and even more with an arts chain

>>150251092
Yes it does sadly.

Helps against her normal attacks though.

>>150248796

I wish I could roll Saber Lancelot. I'm so fucking jelly of everyone who has him.

>>150250973
Not that Shirou

>>150251017
Nobu is welfare, and Okita has literally no need for one. You can't seriously be arguing all but one of the servants introduced in America will be buried and never get an interlude.

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>Lily buff when

>>150250458
Now I wanna see Tristan vs Alcides.

>Roll FP trying to get Serenity
>Get Angry Manjew

Not sure if I should keep trying for her after getting the rarest servant in the game.

>>150251263
Already happen months ago.
She sucks,face ot senpai.

>>150251263
Why the hell does she even have vastly inferior stats compared to other 4* anyways?

>>150251092
1. Piercing
2. Invulnerability
3. Sure-Hit
4. Evasion

Each effect can bypass anything below it.

>>150251202
>literally no need for one
Yeah I forgot more plot and explanation about their character or interactions was something that requires a "need"

What's wrong with having fucking quartz interludes for just story and talk with the master

>>150251350
Free pre-registration 4*, can't let her be stronger than servants you gotta whale for to get!

>>150251363
Valid, but all the same not my point. I'm talking about Noble Phantasm interludes mainly (even Edison doesn't have one of those), Okita doesn't need an improved NP.

>>150251354
So basically, Arturia Lancer was given an NP which is super-effective against the player, but completely useless against anything but a theoretical XP hand that can pop invulnerability once per round?

>>150251180
Just start screaming UNRIVALED as you roll

>>150251350
Lily can't be equal or stronger than Alter. That's just blasphemy.

>>150251180
Why? I rolled him by accident and he'll just be a 4* that takes forever to max because I can't be fucked to farm for medals

>>150251545
Which is part of the reason why her Alter version is better.

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Nobu a CUTE.

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>>150251363
>What's wrong with having fucking quartz interludes for just story and talk with the master

Please don't remind me how Siegfried already have 2 fucking quartz interlude when his NP still stuck at 300% since launch

>>150251545
Or incredibly rare dodge-spamming Archers.

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>>150249176
Well in light of these two >>150250156 >>150250198 the real silver arm is just that.

Now some head cannon shit.

Some people have theorized that Excalibur is Claimh solias and vice verse or rather claimh is the original.
The stories and the line about how in excalibur's first fight it shone like 30 torches.
essentially it would gram vs caliburn.
caliburn can't win.

Or maybe they're just similar swords but, hell nasu will do it and you know he will and then he'll be thinking to himself how hot shit he is because he read the wiki.

>>150248150
>Swimsuit event Details on the 6th
Nothing has fucking said that you EOPs

>>150251350
Because she probably pre-exists the concept of welfares. She's the only one that changes cards too for that reason. They made her as a promotional item long before they started giving out welfare 4*, so they balanced her to be a 3* thinking that 4* stats would be too much.

They've never altered stuff like Servant stats or NP type before, which is why I'm rather pessimistic about her, Emiya, Seigfried or Stheno ever getting better. Well, Stheno could be salvageable if they just add a fuckton of debuffs to her NP to turn her into a single-target Asterios, but the pointless Buster type will stick.

>>150251776
If you keep posting this in every thread, you'll trick someone eventually.

>>150251776
They fucking did, you illiterate fuckface.

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Best papa

>>150251569

Will do, I used 100 quartz in the Camelot gacha and I didn't get him.

>>150251685

We will probably get medals in the upcoming events, hopefully.

Robin Hood is a title like the Hassans right? Still waiting for Robin of Locksley or a female Robin (version of Maid Marian?)

>>150252032
Yes literally anyone can be Robin Hood by putting on the green hood and call themselves Robin Hood.

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Why is Mordred a best?

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This man just comes by and slaps your waifu's ass. What do you do?

Remember he is the strongest Servant to date, stronger than even Solomon.

>>150251156
Can't fool me
3rd Card Arts with first card Arts
Np gain*np gain boost*card np gain*n hits*crit
Gil 0.34*1.5*7*5*2=35.7+20 of Arts chain=55.7 NP bar, 56 showed
Zerkerlot 0.5*2*7*2*2=28+20 of Arts chain=48 NP bar
The boost of the skill is good, but it still doesn't do much

Nine Worthies event when

>>150251824
If they give EMIYA's Arts buff an equal NP damage or Buster damage buff, that would help him immensely.

>>150252140
Who?

>>150252140
poison him

>>150252140
I slap his ass.

>>150251196
The other shirou is even worse.

AoE meme on a undesirable class for offense with no support from his skills and crap attack.

>>150252140
>Jobber

Kek

>>150252028
I used 200 quartz and 15 tickets to get him.

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>>150251180
Me too anon, I've been waiting for almost a year to get him.

>His rate up only lasted 5 days.

Fuck this bullshit.

>>150252140
Throw sand at his eyes.

>>150252140
>strongest servant
>canonically killed by CA Hassan
yeah sure

>>150252116
because she is an interesting character and NOT a shitter

>>150252152
NP gain is not per hit. It's flat.

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>>150252140
Don't open this.

>>150252140
Won't he die if my waifu is Serenity

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>>150252140
Eat him

So everyone like to wank over the most powerful servant, but let's pose this question: Who is the most ''useful'' Servant? That is to say, which Servant is both powerful, enough so that they stand a feasible chance at winning the war, but also has a low enough consumption of prana that they wouldn't just break you? Further, they would have to be the type loyal enough not to just outright murder their Master.

Right off the bat, we can rule out most of the Berserker class, especially Herakles and Memelot. You really can't rely on Gil save very specific cases, so he's probably out of the running. Karna is a fucking mana sink, and Arjuna likely is too.

I'd bet Cu Chulainn personally. Maybe Cursed Arm or one of of the other Hassans, if you were willing to get a bit dirty.

>>150252140
My waifu is a Saber. I ain't gotta do shit. She'll slice this fool to ribbons and we'll get back to our picnic.

Is Robin's Golden Rule E even worth leveling? Leveling any E rank skill always feels painful, especially one like Golden Rule.

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>>150252116
Because she's got a cute design, an interesting characterization, is a great unit, and I like her fashion sense

>Bedivere
>skill 2
>Increase mental debuff resist by 50%
>skill 3
>increase debuff resist by 50%
Why does the bad effect on his skills increase instead of the NP charge and the defence buff?

>>150252140
Release the demon sealed in my right arm

>>150252359
>NP gain is not per hit
Didn't you charge faster the more you hit like Jack's Quick?

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What gold servants have you gotten so far during FGO's anniversary, /fgog/?
>Herc
>Frankenstein
>Archer Redmeme
>Stheno
And that's across 3 accounts

>>150252473

I'd level it until level 4 and leave it at that.

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>>150252140
Tell my waifu to speedblitz him

>>150252382
>>150252389
the normal cursed arm won't work, he has B rank magic resistance, he'd need to unleash the Shaytan, but that'd also kill him in the process. Fuck, fate work with CA Hassan as the main servant fucking when

>>150252569
The more you hit is for stars, not NP gain as far as I know.

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>>150252093
Can I be Robin Hood? The real DC universe Robin Hood kinda sucks.

>>150252531
(you)

also don't level bedivere skills, waste of mats

Isn't Tristan really fucking shit when you think about it? All you got to do is put on earplugs and none of his attacks can fucking do anything to you.

>>150252647
Medb

>>150252647
Mashu

>>150252415
>low consumption of prana
literally the entire caster class
>feasible chance at winning the war
Sanzou or Medea
>loyal
Sanzou it is

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>>150252647
Rolled the Anniversary paid gacha and got the Berserker I wanted, and have 200 free quartz saved up to roll for Swimsuits and the Okeanos gacha

>>150252647
None.

I'm waiting for America boost day for Edison.

Were 10 rolls always 30 quartz?

>>150252706
I got em all to 6 to reduce the cooldown, I'm not going any higher and wasting the precious chains and badges.

>>150252825
Yeah

>>150252359
>>150252685
Np gain is per hit too, good Luck charging NP bars without Arts chain and NP gauge skills if it wasn't

>>150252709
pls be bait pls be bait pls be bait
you can't be that stupid right?

>>150252647

Helena
Tamamo
Ozzy
Da Vinci x2

>>150252464
>stronger than Saber Alter who is stronger than Saber durin life
She is fucked fampai.

>>150250054
>>gawain is an elitist smug bastard who'd kill his own sister

Again, you're misinterpreting this poorly.

>>150252415
Li Shuwen

>>150252685
Then you don't know much. NP gain is balanced based on the arts card and that's why servants with more quick hits than arts can charge their NP quickly with quick hits.

>>150252903
what? they always do that in films against attack with sound.
are you telling me that you know more than films?

>>150252359
The fuck? Of course it's per hit. Why do you think servants with more hits have a lower NP gain modifier?

Just got Vlad from the paid gacha. Will he do well on my Nero bride/Artemis/Waver arts team?

>>150251934
Where?

>>150252903
If he attacks you with sound, not being able to hear the sound means his attacks will do nothing to you.

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Hypothetically, if Shirou ended up being a welfare 4* introduced along Rin and Sakura, how would you design him to avoid the fiasco that is Archer? What class and skills?

>>150250458
>cursed arm hassan is now strongest servant

>>150252647
Da Vinci
Mordred
Karna
Franken

>>150253041
>hey guys just got this guy famous for only being useful with this specific team
>will he do well with that specific team hehehe

>>150252685
NP gain is calculated per hit, but usually the per hit value is balanced around number of hits in a servant's arts attack animation. This is why servants like Okita and Jack have ridiculous NP gain on AQQ, and why Carmilla was indirectly buffed to the point of being broken after the caster animation changes.

>>150253068
Arts NP

DOMO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTUdHO65vRE

>>150252140
He's not though, he was just the strongest that they meet in that order. With grail boost which made him absolutely ruthless and incredibly deadly. He has a bow that can't miss, of course he'd be considered dangerous.

>>150253041
Yes, extremely well in fact.

>>150253068
>4*
He's a guaranteed 5* anon, don't be stupid.

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>>150252647
>Nitocris
>Helena
>Ozzy
>Martha NP5

>>150252415
Medea is likely the most versatile Servant to have especially if you don't know what you're doing, and it doesn't seem like she'd be disloyal provided you're not a blatant cunt. You can at least trust her to stick to the mission and not get caught in fanciful fight on a whim, plus she'd be good at making up for weaknesses.

>>150253223
>he was just the strongest that they meet in that order
>stronger than Ozzy who was previously the strongest Servant to date
Same fucking shit.

>>150252415
>powerful
>honorful
>low prana cost
That's literally Cu

>>150252647
>Ozzy
>Da Vinci
>two dupes of Frankenstein

>>150252415
NR is good enough for me. I never had problems with cute little girls that aren't completely spoiled kids.

But as a general safe bet, Gawain, Karna and Cu are all probably some of best servants for anyone. All of them will follow orders and are high tier in most HGW.

>>150253237
Archer is the single most popular male character the entire company has and they made him a 4*. Shirou's my favorite character, but he's not that whaleable.

Someone post Sherlock.

>>150251751
Im still mad I left the game when the 5th evo started coming out.

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>>150253068
First CE that modifies a Servant's skills, giving them access to a set of Shirou's and a second NP bar for his own NP.

>>150252140
poison his water.

>>150253431
Ozzy isn't the best though. He gets counted by several servants. You really just need to be able to destroy his temple. And like I said, he was dangerous because of a grail boost that made him stronger and made his personality more keen on violence.

>>150253223
>He's not though, he was just the strongest that they meet in that order.

He wasnt, not even close. It's just people misinterpreting and shit posting for now. He wasn't the strongest servant in the entire order, he was just the first "gifted" knight we come across. Lancer Arthuria was the strongest in the order by a league or two.

>>150253607
That's because the game was just starting.

Medea, Medusa and Cu ended up as 3*.

>>150252647
Nitocris.

Everything else I got are shitty gold CEs. So i'm just waiting for those 10 gold tickets to get more shitty CEs with them.

Has anyone screencapped the Ruler card in the summon screen? Didn't take one when I got Jannu and I'll probably never see it again.

>>150253706
Sorry, I meant up to that point.

>>150252415
Billy

>>150252760
Except you're forgetting the part where the Caster class can't do shit to most of the Knight-class servants. Medea is one of the most powerful Casters, and she still wasn't powerful enough to best EMIYA, let alone harm Saber without using Rule Breaker on Shirou. Her Luck isn't exactly great either, so you can't rely on that.

You might have a point with Sanzou though. She has an EX-Rank Luck, doesn't she? That just has "Protagonist" written all over it. So she might be a good one.

>>150253348
Same as the above. She never really had a shot at winning the Holy Grail War.

>>150252945
What makes him more effective than, say, Cu Chulainn though? His skill set is certainly lower down, and then you have his Noble Phantasm. Or, rather, the lack of one.

>>150253547
Karna is the absolute worst Servant for anyone to have except for any incredibly powerful mage. Someone like Cornelius Alba might be able to maintain him. Might. Gawain might be pretty nice though. I doubt he can really spam his NP, though. Numeral of the Saint might make up for that, though. It might even be enough to let him beat someone like Heracles if they met at the right time.

>>150252415
Cu probably also Hassan or really most casters are good picks if your not going for the direct approach

>>150252647
Jack.

Fuck the paid Gacha, I wanted literally any of the Casters or Riders

>>150253671
Dendera is the "battery" of the temple, right? What would happen if one were to destroy it?

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>>150253862
Here you go, lazy NEET

>>150253223
>he was just the strongest that they meet in that order.
>1/3 of the Order story
>still doesn't meet Lancer Arthuria and King Hassan

Stop memeing

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>>150253976
Did you already have Jack or something? She's great in a big way.

>>150252415
Zhuge Liang maybe. You don't even need to come up with strategies with him around.

>>150253068
BAAAQ Saber with Nine Lives Blade Works (Arts)

>>150253929
Li Shuwen kills everyone in one hit if they don't have some Karna tier shit and is basically invisible to all but a handful of servants

He's also better at killing masters than Cu

>>150254030
I meant up to that point. I know I didn't say that, and that's because I forgot to. I'm not memeing, I just forgot.

>>150253929
>Medea is one of the most powerful Casters
She a low tier servant and the weakest in the 5th war

Kiyohime.

>>150254013
I meant in the actual summon but probably no one has one anyway. This is still gud, thanks anon

>>150252415
>>150253890
To elaborate, his NP is incredibly efficient, dude knows about ambush tactics and how to maximize his potential and is quite friendly.

Dude doesn't have MR, so that's a bit of a problem but overall he'd do well against most Servants.

>>150253671
>Ozzy isn't the best though
>fought 4 top tier with no Master and almost won
>Dendera required EXcalibur (still sealed but should be as strong as Arturia's) and Stella (as strong as Goddess of Rhon) to be defeated
>required Paracelsus to even be able to use those 2 NPs
And he can still drop the entire temple on your head and fuck your shit up with Tentirys and fire beams with Mesektet.

>Lancer Arthuria was the strongest in the order by a league or two
You mean King Hassan, but yeah Lancer Arturia is stronger than Tristan. Tristan is still stronger than non Divine Spirits or Grands though.

>>150253547
>NR is good enough
This, if a dead little girl with no mana could handle NR and Jabberwocky, I'm pretty sure anyone can.
And since most people are not dead, mana transfer is always an option.

>>150252647
Arjuna and Liz from the paid gacha

>>150253929
>What makes him more effective than, say, Cu Chulainn though? His skill set is certainly lower down, and then you have his Noble Phantasm. Or, rather, the lack of one.
As seen in Extra, servants cannot detect Li at all. That would be his main advantage over Cu. Also no second strike, while not being an instant kill, can be a death sentence for a servant unless drastic measures are taken.

>>150252415
Hector

>>150254006
Could explode, could just die. Who knows? It was snuffed out with sufficient force, so if you can blow it up, it might just die.

>>150253642
Sherlock.

>>150253642

>>150253671
>And like I said, he was dangerous because of a grail boost that made him stronger
Except that's entirely your headcanon, and as all headcanon, it is irrelevant and ignored.

>>150253642
Sherlock

>>150254054
I didn't, and I know it's silly to be upset at getting a good Servant, but I have no good Casters other than Medea and Liz and Hans' low health is starting to be a problem

>tristan powerlevel shitposting
This smells of jetfag trying to ruin other knights so memealot looks better

>>150253642
Holmes would be ashamed of your detective skills.

>>150253862
You'll never want to see it again.

Leveling Jeanne's NP is the biggest waste of time and getting another Jannu is akin to a wasted summon.

So if you do see it again it will mean you either got a worthless Jeanne dupe or even worse - Shirou.

>>150254260
MR is a really important skill to have without it you'd loss instantly against some servants

>>150253706
Last part of >>150254261 was for you

Da Vinci is a mistake.

>>150254562
Its not a waste if you like the servant.

I'd rather get a dupe Jeanne for NP3 than get a 5* I'll never use like Waver or Arturia.

>>150252647
Arjuna
Nightingale
Fionn
D'eon
Tamamo
Herc
Same account. No Gil CE. Fuck me.

>>150254054
Whore is a good mommy

>>150254506
Because it is he even mentioned Gawain being weaker despite him not appearing till after Tristan also he doesn't know that Tristan weakness have been reversed

>>150254684
>He got Nightingale
>He's mad about it
WREEEEEE

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>if I can roll a 5* Caster I'll have a 5* of every class
The temptation to roll at random is strong

>>150254574
The main idea is to keep undercover.
Plus, you could probably give him a sniper rifle and it'd work.

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>>150254635
You're a mistake, nobody likes you.

>>150254505
It's an understandable reaction. I'm still sitting at zero gold Lancers, so I could see myself getting pretty pissed off if I rolled Knights and got Orion or something.

Gift-boosted Knights are just story power-creep.

By the time we get to Babylon the Servants there will be wanked to be "strongest Servant we've ever met" status instead.

>>150254770
Stop hyping everything up you cocksucker

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>>150254729
I just fucking wanted a CE, I would give up all of those golds for it

>>150254690
Of course she even sleeps with Jack naked

>>150254181
> She a low tier servant and the weakest in the 5th war
That's exactly my point. The class system was not meant to be balanced, if you recall. The idea was that the three families would use the Knight classes, and the outsiders would use the (presumably) inferior Cavalry classes.

>>150254260
The problem I can see is him not being able to hurt a lot of them. His attacks would be pretty much useless against any decent Saber (such as Arturia, with her skill-set and decent Luck), for one. And for the exact reason you proposed, even Medea or another Caster would have a shot at him.

>>150254139
>>150254284
I can see what you're getting at. Yeah, he'd be pretty good. The lack of anything for his Mana stat would make me scared at the prospect of dealing with the higher-tier Servants, though.

>>150254294
I can see it. It's hard to know without being able to see the mana expenditure from his NP though. It comes off as pretty flashy in game, but that's a pretty big difference from lore. It's higher ranked than Gae Bolg, though, which makes it a lot more useful against the super-servants.

>>150254862
Considering the list of servants we're expecting for Babylon, that may be accurate, though.

>>150254261
>no Master
Fuck off with this misinformation his master died in the last 5 seconds of the fight

>>150254841
Orion's still better than rolling the 5* Lancers available in Knights.

Well maybe Karna's not so bad.

>>150254862
>Gift-boosted Knights
There is no "boost" for anybody except the shitter called Mordred.

>>150254862
This. Powerlevels are a joke not meant to be taken as 100% consistant. There will always be someone stronger as the story goes on, so whats the point of discussing that trash?

>>150254945
Wow, lewd
Training Jack on how to please women

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>Fuuma's blush when you ascend him

>>150254769
True just saying its a under appreciated skill when things like a simple charm skill would fuck you over without it.

>>150255020
Shemale specifically points out the gift and says we're out of our league.

>>150255014
Karna's a good unit who could be great with an NP interlude.

>>150254862
It's just weird that mythical demigods from a far off age are weaker than Round Table knights as Servants. What happened to things being stronger the older they are?

>>150254985
are you bored anon?
go back to farming xp hands

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>>150255014
That'd be the one I wanted, and would gladly settle for Lancer Alter if it had to be a for. I already did my paid roll, though, and got what I wanted.

>>150254985
Well, for example, I believe Billy would work great with Kerry. While it's true that some servants can no-sell, you can just target the Master in those cases. This is a guy with superhuman marksmanship and a fast-firing ranged weapon. A Servant that's too busy protecting their Master is a Servant that can't go on the offensive. At that point it becomes a game of attrition, in where he'd have the advantage.

I don't think he's the absolute stomper or anything, but with good tactics he'd have a good shot at it.

>>150255108
t. waifufag

What? You rather discuss MUH BOOBS AND ASS, which grill is best (entirely subjective and brings even more shitposting, see /a/) and how those girls cuck you?

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>Medb has been referred as the mother of many soldiers, but it is not like she actually gives birth to those soldiers. After taking in the genetic information of warriors, she reproduces those inside her body.
>After taking in the genetic information of warriors
What did she mean by this?

>>150254562
>he thinks no other ruler will be released

>>150255185
Yeah but I'm assuming they'd be doing their best to avoid detection. Ambush tactics.

>>150255350
Man whoever added the pregnant belly had no idea of perspective.

>>150255201
Nasu specifically points out what the gift did for each knight and Tristan got no "boost".

>>150255350
>giving birth to soldiers in their adult form
her pussy must be so huge now

>>150255350
Blood, semen.

>>150255201
>Servant's stats depend on the Master
>Since Godturia summoned the knights, she's their Master
>Godturia = grail-level entity
>All the knights actually get a power boost, gift or not

lel

>>150255178
>Extra Rin
disgusting

>>150255350
Donate semen to queen, get cloned via erotic magic.

>>150255350
>>150255494
>Collect some blood from an enemy servant by going to the site of a battle after it has already happened
>Give it to Medb
>She creates inferior "offspring" versions and makes an army out of them
is this how this ability works?

>>150255212
>he didn't read Apocrypha Materials
Arturia era was the cream of the crop era.

>>150255454
Yes he did. It might not be a straight power boost like Mordred's, but it certainly made him more dangerous.

>>150255224
I'm still waiting for my account information to be sent back to me...

>>150255280
Good point. Kerry was actually competent, though. I doubt anyone here is capable of doing half of the shit that he did. I know I couldn't get easy access to explosives.

Kerry would be a great Servant if you could actually summon him.

>>150255563
are you gay? faggot

>>150255212
>What happened to things being stronger the older they are?

It was never an absolute rule, it was just a general rule, and its still true. Generally the older you go back the stronger things are. However there are various ages in history when strong people still converged.

You can have people from 0 BC that are completely stronger than random farmers from 1000 BC.

Anomalies are born in every age however, you can have someone randomly as strong as people were 500 years ago in the current era. This is also a point made in both F/SN and Tsukihime; namely that miracles/freaks happen, don't worry about it.

Kouma is some random super potential born for no reason, Ciel was some random super potential born for no special reason, Sacchin was some rare super potential born for no real reason, and Shiki was bred to be super potential. Outliers exist with any rule in Nasuverse, the system is more about general guidelines rather than absolutes.

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>>150253068
Tanky single-target Caster since there's just Sanzou for that yet.

For skills:
-Steel determination like Dantes
-Some form of invulnerability. Either a Rho Aias like Mashu's skill, or something based on the sword armor skin that decreases HP in return for 1-turn invulnerability like Jeanne Alter's.
-Maybe Strengthening E to work as a low Charisma.

>>150255454
No, all he says is why they got the Gift. There's nothing specific about what it does. Da Vinci says watch out for his Gift because we'll die instantly, saying this motherfucker's the strongest we've faced.

>>150255386
This game is one chapter away from being done for good and shutting down servers. They most likely won't be adding another Ruler before then.