/dfg/ Dwarf Fortress General

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First for Toady's health

>>150036829
I'd tell you to shoot them down with marksdwarves but they'd probably climb the tree to try and hit it with their stocks.

What does it mean when a beast has a gem exoskeleton and a shell? Do I have to break the shell and then deal with the exoskeleton? How does this work?

>>150037116

In FBs I believe shells are just another part to hit, animals with shells can retract into them but I don't believe FBs can.

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>>150034392
>hating elves is a meme anyway
Meme's are tools, anon. When they work, you keep using them.
Seriously, though, I begrudgingly respect them for making what must be a hellish trip to come see me just for my cast off clothes. Maybe they come for the gorgeous view.
They'll live this year, but next year they better bring something better than a giant hoary marmot.

>roads
We don't do roads.

>>150037615
Elves may be jerks who covet the lives of an oak more than my entire encampment, but they do have a habit of bringing me trained TIGER and LIONS.

Everyone knows nothing is more pimp, nor as rock solid a defense against thievery and invasion than a pair of lions at one's gates.

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My companion hit me right in the feels today.

He was mortally wounded by a night troll and as he lay dying I decided to have a final chat with him.

I never expected an '@' on a screen to make me feel these things /dfg/.

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>>150037968
>trained animals
>not even a bear

>>150038903
It made a better story, but traveling away could have saved them.

>>150037615
I love the color scheme in screenshots, but I can't play with it after trying, makes me dizzy, what the hell?

>>150039076
obviously I keep bears in throne room, but I've been told large cats are superior for detecting and devouring Kobolds.

I MAY have had a massive misunderstanding as to the true nature of a "drake" and created a heavily engraved menagerie full of ducks...

>>150039510
>'Fuck yeah, draconic decorations here we come.'
>Weeks later.
>'Urist, what the fuck is with these ducks?'

I am a Dwarf

And I'm digging a hole

Diggy diggy hole

Digging a hole

xD

I've been dicking around with slade weapons in the arena through DFhack and they don't seem really good. The slade hammer weighs 80u while a regular iron hammer weighs 4u. Slade ammo like bolts/arrows weigh 30 and can't be thrown more than like 4 tiles by an expert throwing dwarf. Maybe superdwarf strength is needed to wield them effectively but other than that they seem useless. When the bolts did manage to hit the other dwarf, everytime it would just chip the bone or open an artery, nothing cool like sending they flying back

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>>150036829 →

>The forgotten beast kicks the forgotten beast in the cephalothorax with its left second foot, tearing the fat and bruising the muscle and bruising the brain

literally ended in the first attack

what a fucking cock block

Want to try out DF but only interested in Adventure mode

Started out using wiki as a guide

Left the main area had no idea what to do, walked around finding literally nothing until it got dark, killed a spook then died

Where is everything? It was just barren nothingness, I couldnt even find a rabbit

Also is focusing on rasslin' and smacking acceptable? I just want to choke people out or bunch their lungs to mush

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>>150040765
Definitely need more strength for it.

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>>150041937

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>Fey dwarf demands cloth
>...no, not that cloth
>...no... not THAT cloth

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>>150042786

The twist always gets me.

>>150042816
last night I had just gotten my forge up and running when some fuck decided he needed metal bars. I was actually designating the shop (a fucking clothier's shop, what?) to be unbuilt and putting the militia on standby when he started his mysterious construction.

it was a silk left mitten by the way

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zombie ravens get out reeee

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So the necromancers sending an army to siege another site I found?

Apparently it's literally an army, and the best part: they're sending elf corpses to siege a forest retreat.

>>150041937
no but really how do you find things in adventure mode?

it was nothing but just dirt until it became dark and then it was pain

>>150047286
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Adventure_mode
Press T to quick travel.

>>150047286
God, that's deep, it's like fuckin' life man. "It was nothing but just dirt until it became dark and then it was pain."

Besides the [T]ravel stuff, there is also your [Q]uest log to see where things are.

You can [t]alk to people and inquire about troubles, they'll mention stuff like armies, abductions, beasts, bandits, criminals, vermin, and blood-chilling horror, you can ask about those subcategories and get told about one of the relevant creatures/groups/etc and then there will be an option "Ask for directions to [Where shit is]." that you'll want to use, it adds it to the [e]vents list under your [Q]uest log, letting you scroll down to the relevant entry and [z]oom to see where it is on the map.

Also: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Adventure_mode_quick_start

>>150039107
His nervous tissue was torn, even if we'd traveled it would have killed him eventually.

>badly channel a certain spot
>1 square
>cave has collapsed
>huge blast going through 6 floors
>all from 1 tile

is this normal

>>150047286
You can use legends viewer to find all the good shit than travel to it in-game.

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>>150050138
It is sad, but not inevitable.

>>150050183
not unless ur bad

>>150050996
ebic

>>150050183
Everywhere a cave in hits a tile that isn't supported by a wall beneath it, it will continue for another z level. You should read this. Twice.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Cave-in

>>150050183
I don't know, but riddle me this:
>chop down tree on the surface
>a section of the cavern has collapsed!
>get zoomed to a point in mid air
>look around and discover it's the highest branch of the tree
>unpause
>dust cloud and all the usual elements of a cave-in the size of the entire fucking tree
>wipes out several dorfs and a third of the memorial garden, which was under it
is THIS normal? is it because it fell on a construction?

>>150053771
Hard to know without seeing what was going on. It sounds like you had a construction supported by tree branches.

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christ what a little bitch

>>150054191
What the fuck kind of name is that?

>>150054337

an orc name

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>>150054191

life is 2 hard :((

>>150054147
definitely did not. could there have been a dorf in the tree? it was in a designated fruit gathering zone. there wouldn't have been anything built on it (that idea has never occurred to me actually) but it overhung several memorial slabs, a moat, wall, and a shop on a lower level

>>150054976
Sure, there could've been a dwarf in the tree, but that doesn't make any difference. Falling dwarves aren't cave ins. Before you cut the tree a wall, floor, stair, ramp, support, bridge, or grate had support. After you cut the tree it didn't. That's how cave ins happen.
If you're playing an old version it could be an old bug with trees' tile data not being properly cleared. The so called thermonuclear fruit bug.

>>150055782
nope, current version. the 'cave-in' also sourced at the very apex of the tree.

So how pimping can I get my adv mode sites without changing to fort mode? Are we talking small ass bitch cabin or nightclub tavern with hoes all up in my dick?

>>150056097
Well, I found this. http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9479
If you're sure you didn't make a mistake upload a save there.

>>150057132
>says the trees are not connected to anything. mine was rooted just fine, and it happened after a designated cut job. I'll try and reproduce.

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>when your militia commander gets his head kicked off by a FB

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I wonder if in fortress mode knowledge/secrets will be something you can trade.

Tell the elves you'll give them this fortune's worth of mugs on the house for tips/a written complete guide on tiger domestication.

Make all of dwarf-kind vow to destroy your fortress and all within it by handing out copies of "Steel Production for Humans". Sparking a world-wide effort to destroy all copies of the tome and any human who memorized its secrets.

>>150059273
>assign all goblin petitioners as scribes and scholars
>disseminate goblin literature to the mountainhome caravans
>advance worldgen 100 years
>migrants with the baby snatcher profession are as common as soap makers
buying the knowledge to tame exotic creatures like Dralthas for war and hunting would also be rad

>>150057072
>you can only build with wood
Not very.
I guess you could go to the nearest fort and try to find some gold or platinum furniture that isn't nailed down.

>>150059262
So close to going through the gap in the walls.

>>150059273
>Cavern people's reworked
>Establish peaceful contact and trade
>Assimilate/'merge' the fort and tribe
>Fort begins to pump out books for cavern plant farming, cavern creature domestication, and survival guides.
>Cavern people slowly spread knowledge of smelting by word of mouth
>other cavern tribes of the same race start to wield crude copper weapons

Is there any way to increase the rate of sieges? I fucking love fending off waves of enemies in increasingly humongous waves.

Is there an option in the d_init text I missed or a trick in the game itself?

>>150060556
export tons of high value shit, essentially. encrust all trade goods with gems, sell high value armor, etc.
of course, you should make sure you have gobbo neighbors. or if you're not getting them at your current fort and want to, just keep killing all the elven caravans. eventually they'll get pissed off and declare war.

>>150060556

Embark closer to gobbos I guess, seemingly in this version if you're even remotely close to a tower you'll get a lot of necromancer sieges too.

>>150060802
>>150060837
Can do, is there a way to lower the population requirement as well? I heard you need to get at least 60 dorfs before a siege becomes available.

>>150060918
I've been besieged with like ten dwarves in the current version but that was necromancers. dunno what rules the gobs work on or if they're even different per civ.

>>150060918

I believe you can modify the requirements in the entity file, not sure what to change off the top of my head as last time I did this was a few versions back when sieges would never show up.

>>150060918
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Entity_token#PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION
Enjoy.

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>come back to DF after a while
>neat adventurers have bone crafting and can specify the image
>murder some stray cats while training combat skills
>butcher two and make a figurine out of the bones
>pic related
>very next thing I do is wrestle another cat and bash apart a different cat's head with that cat figurine
Shit I kinda forgot how much variety this game had.

>>150061586
Cheers m8, lots of goodies there.

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This seems comfy, but the world is being swallowed in darkness and dragons. Is it right to let civilization flounder while I cling to an arctic volcano.
Perhaps /dfg/ can suggest a strategic place to bring the fight to the undead hordes, goblin invasions and monster menace?

>>150062336
Embark right in the middle of them, then kill everything that comes close to you.

learning how to play DF. How deep do i dig?

>>150062657
Deep.
There is no such thing as too deep, so the answer is simply "Deep."

>>150062657
You're thinking the wrong way dude, light up a doobie and mine the sky brah.

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Any ideas lads? Want to go full metal production but I don't want to accidentally flood myself with fun.

Never played with a volcano before so this is a learning experience.

I still hope there'll be an official, miasma-spewing wyvren mega/semimega. Not that mods wouldn't be able to make one.

>>150062657
If you still have somewhere to stand you haven't gone deep enough.

>>150063931
Resist the urge to dig straight into the side of the tube.

DO IT, DELICIOUS DRINKS AWAIT!

>>150063931

DIG INTO IT HAHAHAHA

>>150062657
Learn in steps
1. Basics
2. Subterranean Agriculture
3. Metal Industry
4. Military

>decide to pick up this game for no reason
>it's literally 80% text and 20% little flashing squares
>fucking boring but whatever, I'll play for a bit
>4 hours later
>addicted

I was not ready for this

>>150064445
if your squares are flashing you're in for a bad time

>>150063931
Construct a hatch/floodgate system to flood a prepared room. Floor over the room and make holes/place workshops as needed

>>150063931
How do you get volcanos with large open spots of ground around them like that rather than just multiple levels of literally no space/sheer cliffs

>>150064731

In my experience try looking for areas on embark with sheer cliffs and 1's with the uh, elevation view

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>new outsider drops into a town
>some fucking goblins trolling around
>sneak into one of the farmer buildings
>nigger goblin pikeman is demanding some farmer guy drops his bag of leeks or some shit
>finally, an opportunity to save the day!
>assume the farmers would help
>start attacking the goblin
>all 4 townspeople just chill while me and this goblin stab each other
>both my hands and legs got fucked
>after I had scratched away all his clothes and ruined his internal organs with bites and scratches, he fell unconscious from over-exertion
>strangled the fucker
>mfw my everything is mangled
>mfw these townspeople are covered in blood and gore
>mfw I can't even pick up shit to eat
>mfw that fucking farmer went along with the goblins demands and dropped the bag of leeks
I figured by now the townspeople would help fight against shit that is robbing/threatening them if it's engaged, but apparently not.

>>150062657
the more you dig, the more you learn, and the more fun you have.

>Create a new world just to practice stuff like working with rivers so I don't flood a real fortress
>Prepare to embark
>No anvils or picks available
How do I delete a world?

>>150067372
change civ

>>150064445
>only 4 hours in and his squares are flashing
not gonna make it

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>>150067372
>How do I delete a world?
All of them are stored in a folder called "system32". If you delete it, you'll clear all the active saves.

>>150068294
Thanks, I did this and it worked

Where do I find the entity files in the games data?

>>150069493

raw>objects>entity_default.txt

>>150069493

for a specific save..
data>save>region you wanna edit>raw>objects>entity_default.txt

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>>150065964
Some will, it depends on how the scene gets escalated, their personalities, and so forth. I've gotten lynch mobs together before by jacking weapons from bandits and giving them to nearby civvies.

>>150069716

what mods ya using? is that a hauberk?

>The Problematic Desert
lol'd

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Trying to melt water from the caverns that was leaking into the drained volcano tube but froze since it's a glacier, been staggering it so the water flows under/over magma to keep it liquid so I can end up dropping it on a lava flow to get rid of it after making a waterfall, my tip when fucking with volcanos and ice? Save before you try something new so you can kill the process and figure out what went wrong, cause it's gonna go wrong a lot.

>>150069818
Oh, yeah, mail shirts are close enough to hauberk that it bugs me less to just rename them, same with greaves > upper greaves, high boots > lower greaves.

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It took a good while, but now my cliffside temple is finally complete, with doors and everything.

Now I just have to make the rest of the furnishing, assign some activity areas, and then I'm done. My next step after that will be to create a local gov, claim the site and then pay tribute to my queen back home.

At least roleplay-wise, this will make my hard built site the first colony in a previously uninhabited land.

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>need to quickly draft someone as a militia captain to be able to draft new members to the squad
>grab the first bard so that no one gets sad when he dies
>heck him out some time after the siege has ended
>goblin

Nether cap is a magma safe material when used in building components, but what if I want to haul magma with a minecart? Will a nether cap minecart survive being submerged in magma and the hauling?

>>150072860
"This fixed temperature makes nether-cap wood magma-safe, except that nether-cap wood items dumped into magma are destroyed."

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Man there's something interesting about watching civilizations rise and fall in world gen.

>>150073320
Indeed.

>>150071873
Don't forget you can assign your companions their own rooms with zones.

>>150073446
I didn't know that. How? I though you could only assign meeting halls and "locations" in adventure mode.

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Just finished up furnishing the main hall, in which the master of the temple(me) can chill with his/her disciples.

>>150074374
main hall of the cliff temple i presume?
it is kinda small for a MAIN hall ina a normal fort

Can I build a floodgate over a carved track?

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>>150074910
It's my adventurer cliff temple. I don't count on getting a population larger than four(that's how many bedrooms there are), including myself.

Here's how the standard bedroom looks. My companions' rooms look just the same as mine. Eventually, there will also be chairs and tables in each one of them.

>>150064283
>1. Basics
>2. Subterranean Agriculture
>3. Metal Industry
>4. Military
5. Optimization

>>150073630
Go into the zones menu and hit [a]ssign, it'll let you pick your companions and they'll actually prefer to hang in their zones.

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>>150075682
Nice, thanks. Will this stop them from appearing in random places on the site everytime I leave them there and return?

>>150075312
oh ok, that's p impressive anon
can you get a screenshot of the whole thing again with the newest progress?

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>>150076313
Finally claimed it.

>>150076470
The whole thing? That'd be pretty hard, considering it's several levels tall. Hopefully, DFHack is soon updated for the current version, so I can use AV or stonesense.

>>150076313
Yeah, it makes them linger in those zones and just randomly wander around as they feel like it instead of being anywhere in the camp.

>>150076789
So can assign them to multiple zones, and they'll wander between them? Cool.

>>150077283
Nah, just one zone per buddy.

Two unrelated questions.

Where can I find fertility values in the raws of a creature?

Where can I find cool maps of Dwarf Fortress worlds but like drawn all fancy by artists and stuff?

>>150077845
I think child/egg laying rate

cartographer's guild

>>150077912
That did it, thanks for the info.

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I did it lads! I genned a world with no elves! Unfortunately the next biggest scum is currently on a warpath, barrelling straight to the dwarven mountains. I guess it's time to do my best to wipe them out, huh?

I just realized the reason some people think the new version is much more lethal is because they're silly shits who leave hospitals on during fights, and as a result their dorf gets hurt a little and lay down to die in the middle of the battlefield.

>>150078959
huh I never knew that was a thing, makes sense though I guess

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>>150078959
You can punch someone in the face hard enough that their head spins around and flies off.

LITERALLY.

>>150081761
"The game isn't much more lethal" and "in the most absurd and improbable of matchups, instead of killing someone in one hit, you can kill someone in one hit... gruesomely."

I'd definitely rate it as much less lethal than in, say, .34.11, in which I could very easily take a short sword from a goblin and start stabbing them through their iron helmets for instant death each time, and in which essentially any crossbow hit would splinter bone and cripple you, if not send you unconscious.

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>no flux

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>>150084557
>only metal is silver

>>150084961
just hope you get no nightcreatures that are immune to crushing.

>>150085463
>nightcreatures that are immune to crushing

Like what?

only thing I can think of that'd be a problem are inorganics made of tougher substances than steel

>>150085634

undead weasels apparently can't be blunted.. not sure if it's related to a mod I'm running

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>>150084557
>>150084961
>iron
>marble
>lignite
>kaolinite
>kimberlite with diamonds

>>150084961
>embark has multiple biomes
>all have metal
>it's just galena in all of them
seems like I was "lead" to false conclusions haha

>>150086210
No, that's 100% vanilla bullshit.

>>150085634
Unless you're modding there aren't inorganics tougher than steel. Adamantine and slade aren't valid materials for procedurally genned creatures.

>>150086502
Sorry, meant tougher than silver.

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>>150082245
Eh, they had hitpoints then, they have to be damaged according to their properties now.

>>150087701
What in my post referred to animated corpses?

>>150082245
I wouldn't say "much", but yeah. The .40 bolt changes and skull adjustments and the recent pain tweak have made combat today less lethal than 34.11 on balance. I wouldn't say it's a very large balance, though. For very skilled players the bulk of combat in fort or adventure mode is going to take place with highly skilled combatants who are rarely in much danger anyway. Less skilled players might survive 1/10 conflicts that would have killed them in 34.11, but for the most part if you would've died in situation x in 34.11 you'll probably die in that situation in .43.05 as well.

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This camp was the most technically challenging project I've undertaken yet.

I set it up while the magma was collapsing and then started looking at the shape and surroundings, noticed the ice wall where the cavern lake froze as it started to drain into the volcano, and decided I wanted to see if I could do another mist-generator inside a volcano trick.

Putting walls up in the right spots and setting a cup (walled off 4x4 with 2x2 flooring in the middle) of magma over the edge of the ice wall melted it as I hoped, but it freezes the instant it gets away from a floor or ceiling with magma on the other side.

Fuck.

Finally figured out a route that I could use to get it working, fucked it up (don't try to use a floor plug to seal up a mist generator in a freezing biome, deconstructing the floor leaves an indestructible ice floor) and had to use controlled cave-in pistoning to extend the feeds to fix that.

Then decided to put little bunk beds with stepladders on nooks in the wall. :D

>>150088007
Creatures had something akin to hitpoints and such as late as 34.11 as I recall, and zombies had nothing but hitpoints, while creatures had vital bits you could damage to kill them, making zombies awful to handle.

Now you've gotta overcome the physical properties of the target, armor is no longer indestructible, and joints get fucked up by impacts.

As late as 42.xx I could slap on a full set of candy armor and just lay down in a pile of literally anything and take a nap, and they could never do shit besides clip off a nose or knock out teeth.

Now, even if your armor is completely shrugging off any attacks, you'll get your joints and shit mangled and broken, internal damage transferred, and npcs will start trying to pull off your helmet to cave in your skull.

Anyone could pass me some decent regions, all I do in the game is just create worlds and then delete it.....

>>150089164
don't forget the removing helms thing, that changes survivability of your dwarvs in dorf mode, less in adventure mode

>>150089365
Undead were the only creatures in 34.11 that had hitpoints, unless you mean in the sense cumulative damage to body part tissue layers (I guess that's sort of a hit point system), which is still in use today.
You're not wrong about armor being less effective, but armor has never been the primary means of damage mitigation in DF. Most players won't have a full suit of adamantine in adv mode, and not many soldiers in fort mode will either. Shields, dodges and parries still stop 100% of an attack and are responsible for a lot more damage mitigation than armor. A soldier in full steel who took a hit from a copper mace before joint damage would still stand a good chance of being crippled or killed by it; the biggest effect that joint damage has had as far as I can tell is to workaround the issue of the AI not being able to deal with excessively durable skulls. Which problem, incidentally, made combat harder for fort mode players who weren't very savvy military managers.

>there will never be a mod that combines benesis+fallout+MWDF while stripping all the bloat

>>150089813
I've played consistently since before skull thickness went up, and the only time I ever saw creatures stuck hitting another creature in the head and unable to kill it was with large wildlife. Who, obviously, weren't wearing helmets. I've heard of issues with GCS attacking helmeted creatures' heads interminably, but I never saw it. The core issue, that large creatures' skull thickness makes them improbably likely to survive weeks or months of constant blows to the head, isn't treated by that. I have literally never seen a creature with a weapon fail to kill another unconcious creature with head shots, helmet or no.

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In the lon-abandoned dwarf fortress Wheelgloves, founded in 47 and ruined in 59, a serious battle is about to go down.In the first corner, we have Zas Itondakas, the founder and leader of a a monumental cliffside temple in a desolate corner of a mountainlake. In the other corner we have Aco Ataaco Dazethomo Ag, a forgotten beast in the shape of a huge crocodile.

As you can see, I've left the temple and returned to civilisation. I have two objectives:
>1. Slay a forgotten beast in order to impress my two followers(which I left at the temple) and make them join my group.
>2. Visit the capital and pay tribute to the dwarven queen, Eral Chamberchance.

As you can see, I'm about to complete the first objective, having confronted Aco in the abandoned forge room of Wheelgloves.

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>>150090635
I mean things had a general sort of damage tracker and then vital organs in there too, where now there is no general damage tracking, just the component body parts and connections.

With the materials I used for my dorfs I was literally invulnerable, nude or armored, it took ridiculously lucky strikes from huge ass demons or weapon lords with kickass weapons or random bullshit (got kicked in the neck once and ended up tearing the nervous tissue) so even though I could go without armor and often did, I still wore it just in case, now that shit is necessary, no more can you just mindlessly autowrestle megabeasts for skillups, you wind up getting crippled just trying it with semimegabeasts now, and your armor gets fucked up at the worst time.

>>150089756
Try this: http://pastebin.com/m77d0aMM

>>150091607
>I mean things had a general sort of damage tracker
They didn't, that was just undead. Damage then worked the same as it does today, excepting the changes we've been discussing with skull thickness, pain receptors, and joints.

Players who aren't playing modded superadventurers would already die in those situations even in full armor. Megas, FBs, titans, and the larger semimegas could even pop heads through adamantine helms due to the way damage dispersion works.

>it's a casual DFg players discuss the mechanics episode

i just had a giant bear visit my fort. it got injured by a hunter dwarf and made unconscious, and then for some reason everyone who saw the thing decided to beat its shit in, but they couldn't actually injure it in hand to hand so they all fell unconscious around the bear from fatigue. i assigned my marksdwarves to finish it off but apparently they suck ass and wasted like 150 iron bolts not killing it, and then engaging it in melee with wood crossbows, and then falling unconscious around the bear with like 10 other herbalist/wood burners outside. i had to make a one man squad with a legendary copper warhammer just to free my 15 or so dwarfs from killing themselves with over exersion.

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>>150092941
>it's a new players make up shit that isn't there to fill in the gaps in their knowledge of the game, and then spread the misinfo to more experienced players episode

>>150093332
>I'm more experienced than someone who has played since 2d

Sure you are kiddo.

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>generating multiple worlds for like 7 hours straight
>they all suck
I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME

>>150093458
I do wish that, rather than trying to find the appropriate conditions in a generated world, you could just generate a world with the appropriate conditions.

>>150092941
>>150093332
>It's a greentext snarky shitposts instead of joining the conversation episode.

>>150093458
>>150093573
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/?topic=57428.0

>>150093439
Wut.

I wasn't even talking about anyone in particular. Calm down bud.

>>150093764
>I'm a complete faggot who assumes I know things and gets BTFO
>w-w-w-w-well I wasn't even talking to (you) just the other guy I was having my inana conversation with about muh hitpoijnts and joint damage being changed

If you weren't a completely retarded faggot you'd know the current re-implementation of undead damage functionality is essentially the same as it was in .32, albeit with pulping.

>>150089164
A perfectly normal situation in .34.11 is, you walk into a room in a dungeon/crypt/sewer, somebody shoots you with a crossbow bolt, you pass out and die. If you don't, the bolt still probably sends you to the ground, crippling your speed (which in that case, is per action). Zombies are obscenely powerful, resulting in a skeletal hand being perfectly capable of punching straight through your armor, chipping your bone, and knocking you unconscious.

Really, those were the two main nearly unavoidable things.

It is however much harder for a God character to simply steam roll through, say, goblins, in my opinion.

>>150059273
What is the context on that image?

>>150089365

I would, 100% of the time, prefer to take on the +30% str new zombies, rather than the x3str +1000 old zombies. I will have to take your word that old zombies can't punch through candy and that it can stop crossbow bolts.

>>150090934
>dat feel when you're too lazy to make your own mods
>dat feel when you're also too lazy to paste other people's mods together despite it being 1000x easier
>dat feel when you're too lazy to go to the bathroom to piss anymore so you use a pee bottle

>>150093986
You're right about bolts, they were murder until you got your shield skill in accomplished+ range and could stop them reliably. You're absolutely ass backwards wrong about zombies, though. They were absurdly easy to kill in .34.11. They got buggily powerful in .40.

>>150092393
Damage isn't EXACTLY the same nowadays. but yeah.

I find the direct impact to have been greatly weakened in .40 (as I said earlier, I used to be able to casually one shot goblins through their iron helmets with iron short swords with every hit).

>>150094345
>tfw actually a modder who lost the creative spark

>>150094406
That would be why I was comparing today's mostly comic relief zombies to .34.11's punch through your armor and shatter your bones zombies, not the husk-lites with few drawbacks of .40.

>>150094345
>dat feel when you're also too lazy to paste other people's mods together
But doing that would entitle you to donations and sponsored vacations.

>>150094804
Masterwork's a lot more than the pasted together mods.

>>150094962
Yeah, it's alot of people unironically giving Meph the rights to distribute their mods while getting jack shit in return.

>>150092393
You're probably right about the hp, actually, I only played a bit of 34.11 to check out some of the differences, so that's probably bad info I've been hauling around.

My point about the godmode stuff was that I can get hurt now, so at least on the upper end of the way combat calculations are resolved, it's much more lethal, and anything that wails on a suit of armor long enough is going to wear it out now, where before there had to be a certain strength/size or material advantage or both.

>>150093986
The pain thing was also present for a bit in 40.xx during some of the balancing, and god my first experience with the railgun era crossbows was horrifying.

>being worried about someone shooting you with just one bolt

>>150094230
Oh yeah, new zombies are waaaaaaay less nasty than they used to be.

Humans are actually worse than elves when trading holy crap.
>Elves will accept a trade when they get at least some profit and you can just sell them crappy bone crafts
>Humans want 100+ profit otherwise they just leave like the bitches they are

>crow woman crossbowman has been hovering outside the fort for the better part of a year
>apparently "coming to visit" but has never entered the fort
even built a staircase up to her and she just flew off and hovered somewhere else

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running LNP 0.11/43.03, i've got my entire fort fighting an undead Warthog Head and they can't destroy it. i've got like two weeks of combat log like this

please tell me why ten dwarves armed with iron maces can't crush a bone skull and how i can fix that

>>150095537
Blunt weapons largely suck against big foes. Spears are ideal.

>>150095731

piercing against an undead warthog that's nothing but a skull?

>>150095731
Axes are still the best weapon all around.

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I think the funniest thing in modern DF is sexually arousing NPCs and hearing them say "I am very aroused!" or "I'm feeling randy!"

>>150095537
If the attack glance off, it sounds to me like they are not stronk enough. Also give them a silver hammer or a whip, that ought to do it.

>>150095815
Its a head, with skin and fat.

And yes, if you want to break apart a gigantic skull, you probably want to focus on a single point. Possibly even use a pick (disable mining labor from pick armed soldiers)

>>150096457

i've got miners and woodcutters in there. it ain't working.

>>150096457
I'm not sure spears can even do that anymore.

>>150096132
is it in an out-of-place voice over?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwljKo0yeoA

>>150096613
Why exactly would miners and woodcutters, who will absolutely never use pickaxes and axes in battle, help against something maces won't? Like why would you even think for a moment that sending unarmed guys to fight giant zombies would be an effective way of handling it?

>>150096736
They absolutely can. Against very thick skulls I'm inclined to think small target area penetration attacks are very effective.

>>150096938

you can literally see the woodcutter chop at the head in the log. fourth entry.

>>150097072
Pull up a bronze titan and poke it in the head a bunch and tell me what happens

>>150097212
That's great then. I've always seen them steadfastly refuse to fight using their tools.

>>150097220
As soon as bronze titans have skulls I will (;

>>150097418
That's why you have to disable their labor if you want them to be effective

>>150097737
The entire head is a skull. Hence why I challenge you to break it up with a piercing attack. As oppose dto an axe, whihc generally always mangles such creature's heads because it has large edge+mass+attack speed.

>>150097945
>The entire head is a skull.

It is not.

So if a dorf has an infection, exactly how does it kill them? Does it become necrotic after awhile and thus can be excised by a chief medical dwarf? Or do they just collapse dead after awhile?

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what do?

>>150100745

Depends on whether you want to make use of a guy who is ignored by animals and by undead.

>>150095537
It's a bug. A grand old bug. So old it only has 3 digits.
http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=787
Related, probably duplicates:
http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=5356
http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8536

>how I can fix that
You can't. Remove everyone from the military and set a civ alert burrow somewhere with no LoS to the head. Deploy magma, an atom smasher, or cage traps+cave-ins as convenient.

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>>150100840
i made my soldiers attack him. pretty poor idea on a loss of life scale, but it was pretty cool. killed like 5 people and maimed more before he died.

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>>150100913

thanks for the actually correct advice. i ended up working around it by first restricting everyone to burrows, which ended up locking them in a No Job state, and then retiring and resettling the fort to fix that

now i've got a fort with 40 legendary observers from them dogpiling the skull, but hey aside from losing my work orders everything's fine

this fucking game, i swear

>>150101857
Well, that's one use.

I would have just locked him up somewhere, and if I wanted vampire dorfs, maybe cut him up or subject him to spear traps around water, now that you can send vampire dorfs to drink booze in a tavern.

So...I never used dfhack before
Can I use it to give my starter dwarves novice in reading? Im doing a huge library where I plan to eventually store all the books in the world, but I forgot to give them the points in reading while embarking

>>150105703
I think gui/gm-unit has a skill editor.

>>150105703
In fort mode you don't need the reading skill to read, if that's your concern.

>>150107736
wat
But how will they read?

>>150107997

very carefully

>>150107997
By smell.

>>150062657
as deep as you want
just watch out for clowns

Thats its i am done


fuck Markmanship training its impossible and just a myth

ive tried and followed the wiki but i still cant get those dwarfs to shoot at the target

>>150109646
>>150109837
sassynes apart, everyone in my fortress can read without having the reader ability?sounds odd

>>150112951
you checked their ammo assignments, ammo availability, etc. too?
and bear in mind that only one dwarf will train at each target at a time, so if most of them are just fucking around in their barracks instead of shooting, that's the reason

>>150112951
they don't need to be accurate when you have enough of them. wood crossbows with wood bolts, snipe those necks between armour pieces with a giant cloud.

>>150114624


Ohhh righty i have to check the ammo, thought that would be auto added if the equipped a crossbow

Were hydras buffed in .43? I remember Hydra's not being a big deal as they only attacked with one head, but now all 7 heads attack at once. Is it worth trying to tame 1 for shits and giggles?

So I have no metal to make weapons at my fort.

Been digging for ages and only nickle and gold.


My soldiers are highly skilled shield users because they refused to equip their training weapons
Is it still possible to mod my world so that I can produce stone weapons or will i need to make a new world for that?


I want to keep my fort but how the fuck should I keep on without weapon materials?

>>150116462

there's always traps, i guess

>>150116462
crossbows, or trade

>>150115287
>fairly dangerous sounding fleshy FB with deadly dust in caverns
>round the corner, into LOS of my (low-skill) militia squads, certain to kill them all
>20 bolts fly and kill it instantly
feels pretty amazing

I'm playing the OldGenesis mod and for some reason my civ amount can't go past 50 before being rejected by worldgen, even when not using advanced parameters. What's going on?

>>150118491
are you using anything else?

>>150119047
Nope, nothing else. I did modify the Dusk Elf raws a bit to make them less fertile but I don't think that would really affect anything.

>>150116462
make it a culture

have your first dorfs be marksdwarves
and then use goblinite weapons, just the loot

>>150120784
or abstain from all metal gear
gold and nickel are for decoration only

see if you can make a functioning military with leather/bone/shell armour and bone/obsidian weapons

i've got a herd of Distracted sheep. is it because they're in the same room as the butchery/tanner?

>>150124319
interesting thought, maybe. my first guess would be that they want to be allowed to wander for a while, maybe you could put them in a larger pasture or something

>>150124620

it's pretty huge, ~900 tiles

>>150124714
well I can't claim to understand animal psychology in DF. I've had hunters' dogs start getting "distracted" for no discernible reason after years of happily running around and playing with their master

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>>150123438
>abstain from all metal gear

>>150126739

we will dig for adamantine and create a weapon to surpass metal gear

>>150116426
Not sure if it was .43, but with the combat revamp they got the multiattack thing.

And the answer is "probably not." It will be obliterated by goblins, but is quite capable of reverting to a feral state and killing bunches of dorfs.

>>150126935
Metal Gear?!

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>>150127523
>*hand gesture*

what's a good way of handling my dwarves' severed body parts? just dump that shit in the pit?

>New embark
>Native gold literally everywhere

How fucked am I guys?

alim mobstyle, human bard
breaches a cavern layer with bismuthinite pipes in one hand and a pick in the other
sees life as unfair and doesn't mind it that way

>>150130893

dig around it, i guess. it'll make for some really fancy wall engravings later

>>150131023
When I mean everywhere, I mean literally everywhere. Like, I can't avoid it everywhere.

>>150131189

when you're that rich it's time to get cheap - it might be soft but goblins still can't dig through golden walls

also screenshot please

>novice at DF
>Forgotten beast spawns in a cavern, its a fuckin twin tailed fat dinosaur
>want to kill it
> dig into cavern, disregard the flashing blue
>mines get instantly flooded and wipes my squad out
I really dont know what i expected

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dentist labor when?

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>>150131518
The gold seam through the main hallway runs down through the map it seems.

Normally I would get similar amounts of hematite or tetrahedrite.

>>150131875
Press Tab.

>>150132043
Why? It doesn't show you much else on the map.

>>150131649
Water is a vengeful mistress.
Just now
>Starting new Fortress
>Do it in biome that freezes half the year
>Start stockpiling water
>Year 1: Near the end of winter, river is still frozen
>Dwarves start dying left and right from dehydration, to be expected, wasn't fast enough in the stock pile building
>only now do I realize that in my great effort to lay the foundation for my future, magnificent plumbing system that would fill in the summer and feed the fortress in the winter; I've completely forgot to actually tell my Still to make drinks

>>150132216
That minimap is useless.

>>150131770
at the same time as psychiatrist is added
probably never

>>150132493
I already have, I just pressed tab before I took the screenshot by accident and couldn't be bothered to switch it off before taking the screenshot.

consoler is already in, anon

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>>150133094
>>150132580

forgot mah quote

>>150131649
Sounds like it went pretty good.

>>150130854
>'What's going on over here? Nothing, just, stand back some, don't want the magma mist to hit you guys.' >>150058273

>>150133432
it was fun

is this game more or less trendy to play now then it was 4 years ago.

>>150133948
probably less "trendy" in that the popularity of boatmurdered and the "DF is HAAARD" meme are on the wane, but I doubt that means there are fewer serious players

>>150133948
>Dwarf fortress
>trendy

>>150133286
Bah, doesn't do anything remarcable
I just want a medical job that involves the chance of healimg insane dwarves, and restore a bit of stress for sane people
What more stuff could they do?

>>150134526
Can you play it on a smartphone in AR where you have to chase your dorfs around to keep them from walking off of cliffs, in the process walking off of on yourself?

No? Then it ain't trendy.

>>150134792

pacifier is already in, anon

>>150135141
>giant steel lyrebird with deadly dust appears from a manhole
>you have to flee the city and can't go back if you want to continue your game

fucking weremoose

>>150135423
what does it do?
I never really got to the social abilities, they all seem the same babble to me

If a miner likes iron and likes picks, will he be doubly happy about mining with an iron pick?

>>150135141
>>150135141
>he isn't playing pokedwarf go
>not visiting magmastops with your friends
>not trying catch rare urists by throwing rumballs at them
>not increasing their beard power with plump candies
>not evolving your pokedwarves into legendary potash makers
>not capturing fortresses for team catten

Do you hate fun? Or are you just afraid of the next evolution in gaming?

>>150134792
>>150135709
Pacifier and consoler are both used by the mayor when holding meetings with angry dwarves. They supposedly affect the magnitude of stress reduction from the "yelling at" thought or "crying on the shoulder of" thought, respectively. I don't know that it's ever been proven that they affect the outcome, but those skills are definitely trained by the mayor in those meetings.

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it's been a fun year

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>>150095290
she's STILL here
anyone encountered this bug before? can't find anything on the bug tracker, and I'm thinking I've somehow fucked up here. do flying visitors path underground differently or something? is there a strange behaviour pattern common to animal people visitors?

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Do you usually find dwarves whose description really matches people or entities you know irl?
Post em'

>dislikes merchants
>dislikes those different from him
etc.

>>150136345
Maybe? Item and material preferences affect how dwarves percieve room value for the purpose of determining how nice their assigned rooms are. Now that they can get happy thoughts for acquiring and equipping nice stuff, it might affect how valuable they see the pick as being when they equip it. Just using the pick won't give them the happy thought, though. The thought will happen once when they equip the pick, and they don't need a pick preference to have it.

>>150138573
> forgotten beast with deadly dust that causes blisters and melts dwarves' bones after long enough
> made from pitchblende
some day, lead will have a real purpose

>>150138785
>can't find anything on the bug tracker
I don't believe that you actually tried.
http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9382

>>150139779

nuclear reactions when

what if we are Armok guys?

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>>150135548

n-no

not again

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>>150143278

well that wasn't even fair

Is adventure mode objectively more fun than fortress mode?

>>150144404
Nothing about fun is objective. But no, fort mode is objectively more fun.

>>150143837
You got lucky, it's not uncommon to have a sleight were-beast that dies in a few shots from a marksman, but if you are beset by one werebeast you will soon be beset by plenty.

build that wall and drawbridge, and for good measure make an emergency mass grave for 3/4's of your population. If a mother gets infects she likes to bite her infant and throw it clear of the fighting, where it will hide until the next moon and bite all the other children...

Trust me, I've seen it...
>It is terrifying.

>>150144404
It will be when peasantRP is a viable thing (IE farming and owning a home in town.)

Also boats

Are graphic sets recommended for new players?

>>150145337

they're recommended to anyone without a mental illness

>10

>>150139945
ignored that because it definitely wasn't tree-related, but the one it links to (that old flyers bug that I was sure had been fixed) is as likely culprit as any, I guess. cheers

>>150147728
>10

>>150145337
Play with whatever you want. It's cosmetic. No one else can tell you what your preference is.

>>150147995
I expect that the bit with the tree is incidental, and probably not the cause of the bug. Would be worth adding your save anyway, if it needs a separate report a moderator will say so. Eventually. Maybe.

>>150145337
certain graphic sets allows you to dig plebbo

>>150152894
>allows you to dig plebbo
Is it magma safe? Can't find it on the wiki.

>>150153623
well, it's safe

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now if only I could get more than 3fps in this fortress

>>150155327
Jesus christ. How do blunt weapons rank now that the whole "damage adjacent body parts" thing got added?

>>150155526
pretty good from what I've seen, though I haven't really used edged weapons yet and when I do I usually just use a dagger for shanking anyway

they pretty much always smash some bone or ligament from an attached part if the enemy isn't on the same tile... then again I am playing a rhino man so the added size probably doesn't hurt

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>>150155526

>>150155826
>>150156061
Noice.
I typically go two-handed swords for my adventurers but I'll have to check out a maul soon

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>>150156138
I like mauls, you just need the size to wield them 1 handed

>>150144404
Fort mode is more powerful but more limited in scope, adventure mode is much more open ended, but your options aren't nearly as deep as in a fortress (without dfhack/advfort), legends mode is too deep but really fucking hard to access the information contained within.

Interestingly, storytelling allows you to access most of the info from legends mode once you encounter links to it.

>>150157046
Though, the potential in camps and other small sites is huge. Being able to build different stuff, use stone, dig, and actually have the site properly added to the site awareness for visitors/sieges/etc will be amazing.

>>150157046
yeah, Toady has confirmed that in the future, fort mode will allow more contact with the world and adv mode will have more things to do

fuck off page 10

>>150094137
I don't know for sure but given the art style and content it might be a Chick Tract or a parody of a Chick Tract

So I got a fort started, have neighbors of all kinds, but 3 seasons in I've yet to see a migrant wave. I thought they were hardcoded and I'd get them no matter what, but I've never gone this long without migrants.

>>150160984
As I typed that I got a wave. It had 6 dwarves. 5 were kids.

Fuck. I'm already short staffed. Had a dorf cut down a tree and get its entire right side mangled by falling fruit or logs or some shit god damn.

>>150161225
throw any younger than 10 down the caves

always useful

>>150162617

>Second wave comes in less than 2 months later
>5 dwarves 3 kids

I'm gonna fucking kill something.

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>Haven't played in months
>Have to relearn a bunch because shit memory
>Can't even remember how to irrigate properly
>This happens at least twice a year with various core mechanics

I feel bad for the countless dorfs I've inadvertently led to their deaths under these circumstances.

How do I stop animals from starving to death?

I can't wait for crime/punishment and a way to pull punches so errant hits to the gut don't elevate street fights to No Quarter all the time.

>>150164350

give them some grass to munch on

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Taffer made a neat Moscow variant, Comrades!

>>150163709
>irrigation
>months
>wut

43.05 and like years of versions before it only need irrigation if you have stone and want to muddy it up for farming.

>>150164937
I always do underground farms for added safety for my farmers, and I always end up in an embark spot where I'm forced to muddy the stone.

Overall I'm not very knowledgeable with the game, as my post probably let on. I never stick to it long enough to retain much, I usually get to the first siege and get my shit kicked in, so if there's an easier way to do plump helmets that wouldn't surprise me. All the same, I enjoy it.

>>150165336
>tfw I always come back
>spin up adv mode and fuck around for a bit
>eventually get bored
>spin up fort mode and start making a decent (at least in my mind) fort
>attain sustainability and lose interest in dwarf fortress for a couple months
The cycle continues forever
Just have to wait until adventurers can preform all of the jobs without bugs
You know you wanna gear out a adventurer, build a small town with them, and then dig down and personally unleash the FUN upon the world

>>150116462 here

So I didn't give up and startes a glass industry to make loads, loads of glass serrated discs to stand a chance.

M soldier's are only practising shield so they're all at least talented shield users and dodgers

>forgotten beast in the cavern
>giant tarantula, beware its poisonous bite!
>rushes up stairs I carved into a natural pillar
>my fantastic 4 shield wall is guarding the top
>one dwarf attacks
>forgotten beast jumps 15 z leves to its death
>gg ez

Also I had to pump out a pond so my dorfs could bury an idiot


I'm addicted again.

Guys, I seriously think I'm autistic.

The only games I play are anime games and Dwarf Fortress

>>150166362
could b worse

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=80240.0

whats that utility that lets you set a minimum number of items to have before you stop production like in Rimworld?

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I WANT PROPER GRAPHICS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>150166724

production manager

>>150166737
desu, this game wouldnt be this fun if someone wasted time on creating cool graphics

>>150166737
Ironhand graphics + Stonesense not good enough?

>>150166737

When ASCII haters complain about a lack of graphics, they're really complaining about their own lack of imagination! Would never survive reading a book or playing an RPG! VERY SAD!

>>150166724
The ingame job manager.
I don't know why other people don't seem to know about it, but it works fine.

My fullscreen autodetect on the starter pack isn't working. This is annoying, cause it worked fine before

>>150166737
I want a blowjob from Scarlet Johannson wearing a prosthetic beard.

Bet I get mine before you get yours.

>>150166737
we have a different sort of meme frog here, mate

>>150167675
>first thought "why would I wear a fake beard over my real beard? I mean maybe if it was like full on wizard or marxbeard I guess"
>second thought "oh shit, they meant HER wearing the beard... which I am oddly ok with"

can anyone recommend a mod which adds more secrets?

there was a really neat one part of masterbloat which added a whole bunch of them like uh fire breathing and rock bending and shit, can't find it though

>>150169403
dwarf chocolate has some good ones

>>150169559
ta b0ss I'll give it a look

>>150169559
>>150169664
welp looks like the very first post in the release mods section is some magic bs, will give it a go and report back, couldn't find a recent version of dwarf chocolate

>>150169664
Also a ton of these mods have grossly overpowered or underpowered secrets clogging up everything. For example the one bundled with masterwork has cryomancers be able to shot webs, which is a guaranteed way to kill anything ever more or less, while also having the largely useless cheesemancers and aquamancers.

>>150165884
I absolutely do. I honestly think if and when that comes about I'll hardly even touch fortress mode.

>>150170001
sure but if you play adventurer properly you're unbeatable anyway

on OP shit, my favorite thing to do in masterwork was to go kill an ancient vampire and get his curse, added an interaction which boosted your speed to 8k, on top of that I'd go around and collect every spell book

First time player , going blind into this without guides , wish me luck.

>>150170927
>going blind into this without guides
That's one way to phrase it. Another would be "walking headfirst into a brick wall".

Open up the wiki and read it as you play.

>>150170927
yeah what >>150171021 said.

This is one of the few games where using the wiki isn't just for shitters. Just don't look too far ahead of where you are and avoid the spoilers (very clearly marked on the wiki) and you'll be all set to have fun.

>>150171267
>avoid the spoilers

snape kills dumbledore on page 606

>>150171368
oh fuck man why you gotta do that shit. Don't read that spoiler newguy, it'll ruin your whole experience

>>150171467
you're gonna hate this one..

the jews kill jesus at Luke 23:46

>>150171570
stop it you monster. You are the reason why we can't have nice things

What are some values I should go with on my adventurer to get easily obtainable needs like fighting and such?

Is there some kind of guide on this?

>>150172006
We need to make a wiki for this game already...

>>150170706
Adventurers are definitely not unbeatable. Superhuman everything, legendary everything, divine metals everything doesn't even necessarily save you from gobbos if you get cocky.

>>150172130
Brilliant post. I think you've just made /dfg/ completely redundant.

>>150172006
Easy. A LOT of them are effortless to fulfill.

How in detail do you want me to get? See great beast, see animal, wander, curiosity, learn skill, martial training, crafting, hard work, be creative, merriment, be eloquent, uphold tradition (use a poem) are all easy as fuck. I always start my adventurers with high poetry ratings

>>150172130
We need to actually comprise a need strategy guide on the wiki page.

>>150172349
As much detail as you want, I'm messing around with it now trying to get as few needs as possible

I really want to like the Oldgenesis mod for its crafting but the way it handles races is such an unbalanced clusterfuck.

My dorfs just struck what comes up as the "blood of the mountain"

The hell is it and should I be worried

>>150173505
its just dirt mate