/4xg/ - Stellaris, Civilization, and 4x General

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>>149970112
>>[YouTube] CIVILIZATION VI Official Announcement Trailer

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OMG SECOND

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>>149970246

Is there actually a decent ethos in comparison to others? Never actually seen anyone say x is a good ethos without people disagreeing with them.

So after all that talk about Age of Empires 2, I decided to get the third. Is it as good as the second?
I already know about the card system bullshit, I intend to turn it off or ignore it.

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BEST KOREA TIME

>>149970605
its not as good. but its still a good rts by its own merit. the biggest problem, I see, is that the late-game of aoe 3 is just easy as fuck. the only non-renewable resource is food, but because mills/plantations never have to be replanted, you get infinite sources of food and gold that can be almost as fast as normal gathering. which means that late-game confrontations over resources are non-existent.

>>149970760
From a gameplay perspective, is it bad to have infinite ressources?
I usually prefer games where ressources are unlimited, like Cossacks or Supreme Commander.

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>>149970746
AHAHAHAHAHAHA STUPID SOUTHERNER AFRAID OF JUCHE POWERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq54msMu3Sc

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NORTH KOREA CRASHED
BUT STILL GO ON

>>149970839
it depends on the game. but its normally bad from a gameplay perspective because it means that theres a layer of strategy that doesnt exist. in games like starcraft, cnc, and aoe, you have to constantly conserve resources, and late-game can get extremely tense when you end up fighting for the last bits of good stuff on the map. you cant necessarily turtle forever in games like that, you're forced to be aggressive, or lose. but, it also depends on what you like. if you like infinite resources (I sometimes like it as well, after all, games like dow 1 are among my favorite rts games, and I do enjoy playing aoe 3) then it doesnt really matter as long as you enjoy it.

>>149971146
I'm just asking, because it is true that games with limited ressources usually have players being a lot more careful with their units, which makes for more interesting games to watch.

But I personally don't like playing them. They're fun to watch as you cannot turtle in, let's say, CnC, because you will run out of ressources, but I find it a little stressful as it requires you to interrupt your plans to expand, and multitasking is something I can do, but is tedious.

>>149971308
thats fair enough. honestly from a gameplay perspective I enjoy aoe 3 and games like dow more because they have mostly infinite resources. I was mostly saying that its a problem because if you're coming from aoe 2 into aoe 3 expecting aoe 2.5, you aint gonna get it. outside of core gameplay.

>>149970746
I hate when city states are not in ideal locations, you can't burn them down and settle in a better place. It really annoys me sometimes

Also you have 7 unhappiness senpai

>>149971430
I know it was shot down in flames by the critics for adding the retarded cards and the heroes unit in a blablant attempt to rip off Warcraft 3, I didn't know about the ressources.

Where can I find competitive games on Youtube of various RTS? Trying to find "good" players playing against each others is a bit difficult, most videos I found of Command and Command were of some fag playing against an hardest AI.

>>149971146
I remember the Rise serie trying to avoid that by adding a cap on the ressources that you could only improve by research.
In theory, that was a good idea as it rewarded expansion, but in facts, you were constantly hitting the cap and wasting ressources.

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>>149971587
IT DOES NOT MATTER
WE EXECUTE THE DISSENTERS
WE CRUSH SOUTH KOREAN SCUM OF NOT RESPECTING JUCHE

>>149971619
the hero isnt too bad. its nothing like wc3 really, theres only 1 ability and they're really only useful vs treasure guardians. no leveling up either or anything like that. as for competitive games, it depends on the game really. you'll probably have to comb through google/whatever rts reddit you can find. I only look at people who play dow 1, 2, and some aoe 2, so I wont be very helpful.
>>149971859
it was pretty poorly done, since it was basically infinite resources on a cap. I liked the gameplay but it sucks that you advanced in ages real quick most of the time.

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>>149972053
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH SOUTH KOREAN SCUM DIED LIKE FLEAS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq54msMu3Sc,

NORTH KOREA IS BEST KOREA

>>149972101
There are competitive online games with DoW? Care to give a link to a poor sap?

>>149972516
not actually competitive, that scene died in winter assault. im talking about master of roflness, since he does a lot of 'high level gameplay' since he and his group are pretty good at dow.

>>149972610
Damn. I was curious to see high-level stats to counter the Taus and the Imperial Guard.

Anyway, still experiencing with AoE2's AI, and despite how smart it usually is, its lack of adaptability is a definite flaw.
In the game I'm currently running, the britbongs rushed the Chinese in the second age, and have been harassing them all the way to the castle age, with the Chinese making absolutely no unit.

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NON-JUCHE SCUM STILL AT RENAISSANCE
JUCHE MASTER-RACE IS INDUSTRALIZING, MASTERED BIOLOGY.

>>149972843
Speaking about AoE2, how do you counter skirmishers and archers? With Light Cavalry?
The AI is trying to counter with Chu Ko Nu, and of course it doesn't go well.

>>149973435
Wew, your map is really rich in fish huh, I never get maps like these

>>149972843
>>149973490
>all of the sudden, the briton removed all their troops and returned to their forum
>still stuck in second age while the chinese have advanced to fourth age
I don't get it.

>>149973667
i quited because of AI autism
>30 fucking caravels
>all try to attack two of my submarines
>my cruisers against their frigates
>rifleman versus musketman
and this is emperor, for crying out loud

>>149973773
Rush to the opponent versus rush to the highest tier.

>>149975020
What bothers me is that the Chinese AI hasn't built any barracks or archery range. It went to the third age, built a castle, and is now spamming Chu Ko Nus.

Once it's over I'll try installing a few Command Conquer games to see how their AIs act. I know the Japanese from Red Alert 3 love to spam the Giga Fortress, but beyond that...

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>global warming

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>>149975264
wew lad

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>>149975264
-6025 gold per turn

>>149975416
>mad max + khmer rouge

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>>149975264
>-6025 gpt

>>149975581
>>149975428
That's what happens when most of your tiles become desert.

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>>149975895
nigger dont fuck mother earth this isn't alpha centauri

>>149975416
I miss the planet view

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And with that, I think the game is set.

The Chinese :
>build some fishing ships but never really tried to expand in the water
>have an insane amount of food and tried to sell it
>rushed to castle age and spammed castle units and rams

The Brit:
>rushed with archer and skirmishers, and later with war galley, assuming total control of the sea
>let their archers compete against the Chu Ko Nu and lost all their armies

I don't understand why the AI never bothers to repair their buildings or heal their units. I'm sure it repaired its building in Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds.
I'll watch this until the end and I'll start a SupCom game.

>>149976476
Okay, it may drag on for a while. The Brits started building forum everywhere. Literally.
And the Chinese finally built a barrack.

What the fuck is TSA?

Is it really that hard to make a reactive AI? So far, they always seem to focus on a specific strategy.

>>149976631
town size attack, its an ai thing.
http://aok.heavengames.com/university/other/town-size-attack/
the ai actually does react a lot of the time. ive seen it totally shift production from one unit type to the next in order to counter a strategy. are you playing aoe 2 hd from steam? if you are, then I dunno.

>>149974954
Lad you're playing Korea against Civ V AI, that's normal

>>149977176
NORTH korea
their ua is diffrent
all specialists have 1+ science only
has a overpowered monument to compensate with it

>>149977250
I suggest that you try one of the AI enhancer mods then. I haven't really had a full game with it, but the smart AI mod in that DLL site is not bad

>>149977129
Yes it is. AoE2 HD.

Maybe it's shit against AI opponent.

>>149970746
I don't understand at all what is going on in that picture.
Why don't you have sight on seoul?
What is that thing between the fort and the aqueduct?
What is Jeonju building?
Why do mines have 1 science?
Why are your cities puppeted?
Why is that one in resistence?

>Playing Persia
>Build chicken pizza
>Build Taj Mahal
>Take the tier 2 freedom policy that gives longer golden ages
>Bulb 4 artists
>120 turns of continuous golden age
This I like.

>>149977947
Let me explain it all:
i decided to FUCK the game with additional building mods and 1 science per mine because MUH geology.
>Why can't you see Seoul?
I am North Korea, with my capital in the south as Pyongyang.
>What is the thing between the fort and the aqueduct
One of my policy mods, Public Baths.
>What is Jeonju building?
An Agora, again.
>why are they puppeted
Because i took them from Korea, and made them North Korean.
>why is that one in resistance?
I got it from Korea thru a deal.

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>>149975264
>>149975416

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>>149975264

>>149975264
Aren't those cities too close to each other?

>>149980880
>not one city every other tile
nigga you don't know what you're doing

Okay, I checked the AI in SupCom FA.
Even the Sorian advanced AI is bloody stupid, sending its commander to the frontline.

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I noticed two things :
-first, I misunderstood. I wasn't using the Sorian AI, but the cheating AI,
-second, these aren't bushes. They're trees.

>have to wait for 1.3 patch for stellaris to start a new empire
Hurry the fuck up paracucks

>>149988152
Buy a few DLCs first, then they'll update.

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>>149988152
Same here.
It's killin' me anon.
I've fucking taken to playing Beyond Earth while I wait, which just shows you how much they need to speed up

>>149992179
>playing Beyond Earth
Are you a masochist?

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>>149992727
I periodically keep going back to it and TRYING to like it.
Without success, but I keep clinging on.

Are there any mods that at least go somewhere towards fixing it?
At the moment what annoys me the most is trade route spam, and the fact that you get to the end of the game and 2/3 of the map is still unsettled.

>>149993101
That only thing I can think of it is Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri.

>>149993101
What kind of game you want? A 4x that has space elements but takes place on one planet instead of space?

>>149985604
>>149986196
>the AI is not really smart
Well yeah, but the Sorian AI is still one of the very few that didn't completely suck.

>those are trees
Welcome to SupCom, where the most basic unit is a ten meter tall death robot that has two fuckhuge railguns.

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>>149993257
In SMAC the "get to the end of the game and 2/3 of the map is still unsettled" thing is WORSE

>AoE2HD doesn't have a manual
I'm murderously sure it was one of the few games with a manual that detailled every ingame unit.

>>149993820
Dunno, in that test run I just tried, the commander tried to rush me for some reason and assploded.
>the most basic unit is a ten meter tall death robot that has two fuckhuge railgun
If it wasn't for the Infinite War, SupCom's universe would be pretty much perfect, since they basically have unlimited energy and can completely turn mass into any matter they need.

>>149994331
>Dunno, in that test run I just tried, the commander tried to rush me for some reason and assploded.
On certain smll maps it was actually a relatively common strategy to use the ACU offensively after a few minutes, and before t2.
Maybe they tried to script the AI to do this.

It's obviously doomed to fail on bigger maps because the enemy will get t2 by the time your ACU has waddled across the map.

>they basically have unlimited energy and can completely turn mass into any matter they need.
Yes. They are actually living in post-scarcity utopia, but they also use that same tech base to wage war. And it's pretty fucking scary if you think what that actually means.

>>149995461
That's extremely sad, because it's mean it's really not a war for ressources.
It's a complete extermination over ideology.

Good thing the Seraphims arrived and SupCom2 suggests things improved.

>>149996376
>It's a complete extermination over ideology.
One might say that it is a game that is about Total Annihilation.

>the Seraphims arrived
Yeah, though the idea that now two galaxy-spanning civilizations wage war on one another with esssentially limitless ressources is not exactly a cheering one.

Their only limitation is time and the number of ACUs they can field.
>SupCom2
Every time I'm reminded that this exists, I want to nuke Japan some more.

Seriously, all they needed to do was take SupCom, update the engine, update some graphics, and rock on.

But what do the fucking nintendo faggots do? Ruin it all.

>>150000402
you dont like cybran dinosaurs? wow, whats wrong with you :^)

>>150000402
But the Seraphims get banned at the end of SupCom FA.

And while I dislike SupCom 2 (which is a prime example of why you shouldn't make RTS for consoles), at least it ended up on a mostly positive note, with mankind united again. Even through Dr Brain had a nefarious plan ready.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0JSca-chdU
Civ V had great music, hope Civ VI has the same quality

I don't understand the logic behind the Command and Conquer games. I always get screwed.

>>150005080
Don't dilly dally.

>>150008949
No, I mean. I'll just greentext to keep it simple.

>make vehicles
>they get destroyed by the infantry
>make infantry
>inexpensive, but long
>they get ran over by vehicles
No matter what I do, it seems like the enemy takes 50% damage and I take 150%, with my units dying in three hits while I need to focus all my fire on one of his unit to die.

>>150009240
I haven't played C&C specifically, but have you tried combining your forces?

Also, why not run over enemy infantry yourself?

>>150009421
Because it requires micromanaging to run over every unit and I can't micromanage one buggy when my tanks are being destroyed.
Everything is so fragile in the Command and Conquer games.

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>>149993101

Apparently if you put all the AI's in a somewhat overpopulated planet, medium size or less, they get extra aggressive and seem to employ their programming at full.
Pic related.

Just noticed a weird bug with AoE2HD : if you're spectating a regicide game, you can kick the king out of the castle.

god damn is war boring in stellaris
after playing as a warmongering empire i can't stand war anymore

I realized I've been playing warmongering xenophobic slavers wrong.
>Skip the first colony ship, spam corvettes
>Rush your nearest neighbor
>Destroy their spaceport, take their planet
>Enslave everyone
>Double mineral output, build more corvettes
>Ignore the game yelling at you about naval capacity
>Spam defense armies for slave revolts
>Rush your new nearest neighbor, repeat

Pretty fun and refreshing after playing early game peaceful. Malcontent slaves were a lot less of a threat than I thought. I'm obviously running into science problems, but it doesn't matter when I'm the guy with the 2k corvette doomstack when all anyone can muster is 800 including their spaceport.

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If University of Planet isn't your favorite faction then you ain't my nigga.

>>150030614
>university of planet
My nigga, best faction. Gaia second best because waifus and pretty cities

Do you think if we meme enough we can get Catherine's leader screen fixed so she's not using a champagne glass to drink red wine?

>>150009240
consider investing in absurd amounts of static defenses.
that's how i always played c&c or red alert

>BERT is never going to be updated again
>they will never fix the one broken achievement
>I'll never get it

>>149975416
>>149975264
You guys know you can turn off global warming right? All you have to do is edit 4 lines of text in a text document in your Civ 4 folder.

>>150034476
>cheating
Don't ever speak to me or my wifes son again.

It really disappoints me the best way to beat a boss you're having trouble with is to just switch to a straight sword

Literally EVERY boss I had a tough time on became TRIVIAL BULLSHIT when I spammed those safe, high damage, low startup/endlag R1s

>>150035582
Fuck how did I end up here

Sorry wrong thread

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Anybody know what mods (or mod types at least) could cause pic related? I uninstalled-reinstalled, and still give me this crap, so I figure it's a mod.

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>>150036595
Probably a mod that hasn't been updated to use the 1.2.* l_english.yml file in the localisations folder.

Start with the ones that are not updated to 1.2.* then check the ones that use the localisation files

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>>150030614

University pride Planet wide
Gas the Believers fedora war now

>just really found out about no quitters mod/community balance patch
>both require a dlc I dont have and never thought I would need
>I missed the civ dlc sale

>page 10

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>>150030614
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of playing on easy mode but their fluff is so fun half a million of my comrades swarming your shit.

I hope your fancy science things can stop an ocean of communists.

Why do anthropoid look so fucking good?! My pants can't contain my boner

>>150035582
>>150035731
I know right?! straight swords are bullshit

fucking hell how the fuck am i supposed to get influence without reking other empires?
im running out of empires to rek

>>150048163
>make rivals
>remove outposts
>effective planetary administration
:^)

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>when you keep getting dropped off right next to the necrophage
That being said I am really digging this game. I don't think I've played a 4x quite like it.

>>150049615
How close are they?

>>150049770
There's literally only one neutral region standing between us.

I picked Huge for map size too.

>>150049907
Better start forward settling regions around them.

>>150050483
Also dedicate at least one city to military. They're going to spread no matter how fast you move. It'll be a bloodbath. See if you can get a couple allies in on it too. Necrophage and the Broken Lords are the absolute worst to get into a fight with once late game comes. Sorry to hear about your shitty luck, anon.

>ded

>>150033743
Just use SAM if you already met the requirements for achievement but can't get it because of a bug senpai

Also
>BERT

>>150048981
its ok, but when leaders die all of age at the same time i'm fucked

>>149976631
They don't need a barracks.
The ideal Chinese build is chukonu and rams.

>>149993930
> In SMAC the "get to the end of the game and 2/3 of the map is still unsettled" thing is WORSE
You, autistic bastard. Why do you want to micromanage most of the map? Don't you have a life or something? I don't actually want to know the answer.

I consider this a good thing, you know. The part where I don't have to deal with the whole map. Not you not having a life.

>tfw some scrub with ~1500 score wins because of science and big fat neighbors with more culture buildings than troops

>your acts of aggression during cold war will no longer be tolerated. the hive begins to buzz.
Then don't come into my fucking borders, asshole bug people.

>>150060502
Closed borders policy and watchtowers

>>150060706
Yeah just closed them off. Getting garrisons up for my regions and am now starting to build watchtowers.

Thankfully I think I cut them off, or at least slowed them down, by taking the only two land bridges I know of. Unless there's a shitload of land to the south of a chokepoint they're eating alive.

>>150060847
Another interesting thing I forgot to note is the army I did kill off was pretty banged up. So something's giving the Necrophages problems. Just not sure what.

>>150061159
Which faction did you go with?

>>150059792
First time I played Civ V I lost a time victory to Darius. Still annoys me to this time

>>150062167
Mezari. Really like their design.

>>150062591
Get ready to encounter more bugs when you do their main quest then.

>>150062682
Will do. Hopefully the military I'm building up will be enough. But they're either expanding south where I can't see (they have a choke point at their capital region) or I've cut them off to three regions.

>>150062860
Remember that a city with a governor in it is better than a city without one. Likewise, an army with a general is strong than one without.

>>150054937
yeah have the same issue sometimes. Influence is fucking shit and really hard to get if you're militarist. Rivals don't get you much influence

>>150063784
Just take Enduring or whatever the fuck
average 60 + 100 years is plenty to eat the rest of the galaxy alive

What are you guys spending influence on? I always drown in it. Do you spam outposts like there's no tomorrow?

>>150064195
edicts breh

>>150064195
I never seem to have enough unless I play as a deranged genocidal warlord with a million rivalries.

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Playing C2C
What the fuck are control points for Great Commanders for? Pic related

How come Victoria and Teddy get an extra unique unit.

>>150066115
Others have unique building, no?

>>150066189
Teddy and Vic get Film studio and Royal naval dockyard as well.

>>150066115
its because they have both a unique bonus from the civ, and one from the leader. however, they lose out on an actual unique bonus because of that. japan gets divine wind (more damage when near coast), france gets those special spies, egypt gets huge trader bonuses, china gets builders that can decrease wonder construction time, amenity bonuses. america and britian dont get those.

>>150067447
>egypt gets huge trader bonuses,
Wasn't Egypt's bonus something about being near river?

>>150067615
their special ability (tied to the civ itself) makes districts and wonders build faster when near a river. their leader ability (tied to the leader) give trade routes to other civs extra gold for egypt, and extra food for the other civ.

>>150067447
I guess that makes sense with Redcoats for victoria and rough riders for teddy. Teddy also gets that tourism bonus and combat bonus in friendly territory. I guess rough riders might not be as strong.

SAFE

>>150057174
>ram
You mean these bugged rams?

any mods that make pollution visible in factorio? i want my base to be covered in a thick, unpenetrable cloud of acidic, burning industrial pollutant

>outnumber necrophages 5 to 1
>the bar is slightly in their favor
Killing them off is gonna suck.

>>150071649
Don't see shit senpai did you forget a pic

>>150072065
Just tough it out, anon. Late game Necro's a bitch to handle.

>>150072065
Who are you

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>>150072774
You these rams? These rams who only damage the buildings when they feel like it?

>>150072936
>having bugged RAM
PC master race faggot

Are Japs good in AoE2?

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>>150073737
They're a cute civ. Solid enough.

Is /4xg/ where we discuss AOE2 now? I didn't know this. I'm ok with it.

>>150073737
They'll be great in Civ VI
If they don't announce another interesting civ, Japs will probably be my first civ to play in it

>>150073737
Cool architecture, decent unit.

What the fuck is Unique Infrastructure? Unique District?

>>150074713
UI is a tile improvement.
A District holds 3-4 buildings in it. Units are created from districts. Districts are tile improvements themselves.

>>150074802
Civ wiki directly mentions of unique infrastructures in Cİv VI page
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_VI

>>150073737
They're pretty solid
Samurai beat a lot of units one-on-one because of their 25% faster attack, effectively E. Samurai have 20 attack even if it says 12+4 same as E. Manguidai having 15 instead of 8+4
Fishing bonus makes them good on island maps (hurr)

I've only recently discovered how fun civ 5 is, and purchased all dlc during sale.
Can you suggest some must have mods.I am most interested in as mods that improve honor &diplomacy, army oriented, fun new nations.

>>150075123
I have a boner for tons of infantry and mangonel spam. The other civ I was looking at was the Koreans but they seem like you either turtle like crazy or cheese with tower rushes.
Dem turtle ships, though.

>Sydney Opera House in Beijing
>Great Mosque of Djenne in London
>Oxford University in fucking everywhere
I wish they made it so wonder who had city names in them would change their names according to the cities they're built in, this shit makes no sense

>>150074885
>http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_VI
Guess its just a UB then.

>>150075213
War Wagons are decent enough but they get obliterated by any sort of fortification and by mangonels, they're too fucking big to dodge.

>>150075451
>great mosque of djenne in london
is realism not a valid argument?

So I just tried AoE3, and it's like SupCom 2.

It's a dumbed down sequel where base building is fun but the maps are too small and you stockpile a lot of ressources very quickly.

>>150076608
Now you know why people don't like it. That and the abilities and such which make it a mediocre to good RTS but not an AoE game. Seriously, what the fuck are the timed abilities and the fucking immortal explorers?
Also
>colonial game
>the resource you run out of in the end is fucking wood

>>150076901
Yeah, and also
>have to pick between HP/damage/details or skills, can't have them both
>limited selection, can't have your entire army on Ctrl+1
>maps are so small
>no clear way to heal your units

That's really a shame, because there are a few details that I really love in this game.
Like the farms being infinite, and able to produce food or gold.
The ways bullets are depicted, it leaves a smoky trails behind, that's kinda cool.
The way you can stack training to have 5 units training at once.
The neutral tribes you can ally with.
The exportation system for the japanese who takes 10% of your ressources and eventually allows you to pass an age on top of hiring new units (that aren't upgradable but don't use ressources).

Other than that, it's sad to say, but it's really meh. And don't get me started on the whole levelling and cards nonsense.
Plus I looked around, and I couldn't find a way to have different units grouped together to move at a different speed. If you put cavalry and infantry in the same group, you're boned. But it was the same for AoE2, so that's not really a valid complain.

I'll just reinstall AoE2 and spam archers.
I love archers.

>>150077117
Infinite farms are only good because of the absurdly low fucking amounts of wood in NEW FUCKING ENGLAND.
5 units training is a good idea desu, it makes no sense that it takes five times as long to train 5 pikemen as one, just drill them together.
Neutral tribes are meh, they feel so artificial and you can't attack them.
Export feels gamey as fuck but it's pretty neat I agree. All the Asians get it.
I also liked the weird accents everyone has instead of speaking basically perfect their-language.
Cards are...a good, idea, I guess in that they're bonuses, but they're implemented like shit
>oh lmao you can only have 1 castle and 2 factories xd
>dude like half the overpowered bonuses come from CARDS
>dude Isabella becomes stronger the more you play as her totally not multiplayer shit stuffed into singleplayer XDxddD

>I'll just reinstall AoE2
Too bad you didn't try AoE:O when it still existed.

>>150077117
>no clear way to heal your units
Surgeons and Field Hospitals.

>>150077429
To be honest, the only reasons I like infinite farms is because it makes more sense to me than spending wood on it. And because it's comfy. The only reason I play Banished is because farms are fun to watch in this game.
That makes complete sense and it makes rebuilding armies a lot more enjoyable.
Neutral armies are only good for auxilliaries and roleplay reason, otherwise except for a few techs, they ain't worth it.
Haven't tried the others asians armies yet. Japanese for life, baby.
Cars... I dunno, I can't stand them. There's nothing indicated if the other player is using a card or pulled an army out of his ass, so you can't estimate how many ressources he used.

>>150077535
Asians don't have these.
For all the shit I give to Empire Earth, I liked how easy it was to heal and repair stuff in that game. Just put your units next to the hospital and they regen by themselves.

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>>150077117
>If you put cavalry and infantry in the same group, you're boned. But it was the same for AoE2, so that's not really a valid complain.
That's actually a feature, it wasn't that way in AoE the original and people complained about it being impossible to make infantry or cavalry guard the catapults meaning catapults always got picked off heading to the enemy unless you micro'd them all fucking day.
>tfw Villagers in AoE2 don't use their hunting bows, which DO MORE DAMAGE THAN THEIR STICKS, in normal combat

>>150077662
>spending wood
Yeah I get you, but I think infinite farms are really kind of unbalanced if they were in AoE2. They work in AoE3 because resources in general there are really fucked.
Also holy fuck fish traps killing themselves in AoE2 pisses me off, you can't even queue them

>>150077662
>Asians don't have these
Neither do anyone else, they only have 6-10 maximum through cards.
Asians can get them if you ally the British and send them.

>>150077819
It thought it was standard to have them moving at different speed unless you order them otherwise. I'm thinking of AI War here.

You couldn't queue farms in AoE2 vanilla either. I only discovered it in Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds and even so, it was a pain in the ass.

So you can only heal through cards? That's retarded.

>>150077986
>You couldn't queue farms in AoE2 vanilla either
Which is why Conquerors was a godsend now wasn't it

>>150077117
>>no clear way to heal your units
What are priest?

>>150079182
>priest
>in AoE3
Holy shit, you are retarded.
The only thing I have are monks, and you only unlock their heal at age 3.

>>150079308
>tfw no wololo

>>150079347
They only used wololo in AoE1.
They replaced it in AoE2 for a sound that still freeze my blood even now.

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>>150079308
>>priest
>>in AoE3
>Holy shit, you are retarded.

>>150079376
Uwaoon~

>>150079924
DUN DUN DUDUN

>>150081749
House?

>>150064195
i drown in it when playing pacifist but always low when I play militarist.

>>150082437
The trebuchet.

>>150082743
Isn't that more like Dun Dun-dun?

>>150082806
No, there are four beats.

>>150083494
But houses do too
Dun-du-dun-dun

>>150083531
Trebuchets are like dun-dun-du-dun. Houses are lighter, the trebuchet almost sounds like one of these Japanese war drum.

I like the elevage part of AoE3. You invest food to create animals, you let them fatten at your mill, and then you slaughter them for roughly 3x, maybe even 6x time the food you spent.

>mfw I just discovered that there's decay in AoE2
Jesus.

>>150084113
>he didn't know
Never let your villagers hunt animals in smaller than groups of 5-6, you lose like 20-40 food otherwise from a deer.

>>150084312
That's damn neat.
Why is there so much hidden shit in AoE2?
They don't make games like that anymore.

>>150084480
Because of LoL, DotA, and Minecraft bringing in the kids.
No I'm serious. Adults have a tendency to both not have the time for gaming as children do and not needing or wanting to move on from their 'golden' games as much. As such selling to children is more profitable.
Also, a 'good' game like AoE2 can't be resold, because people can and will play it for fucking decades. It's much more profitable to sell shallow or non-replayable games to pump out new versions for, or to sell lots of DLC aimed at more underage or close to underage consumers.

>>150084113
>>150084312
W-what do you mean decay in AoE2? I admit I'm not good at this game but I am always happy to learn.

>>150085498
All animals slowly lose food once killed, whether or not you're actually taking that food.
Kill a sheep and then go forage, watch the counter tick.

Where is the white only mods/patch

>>150084716
That's very strange, because I'm sure I played more as a kid than I do now as an adult.

I was also way better.
>Final Fantasy VII
>barely had any idea what I was doing
>finished the game easily
>bought it on Steam
>decided to optimize all my shit and get all the enemy skills
>get killed by random mobs

>>150085498
Basically, there's a phantom villager who pilfer killed animals.

>>150086323
I tried Sonic 3 & Knuckles and was... ok, better than expected after years but I was surprised at the bits of the game I did have trouble on. Mostly some select mid-bosses.

But what got me was the special stages because they made me dizzy, I only got a few emeralds as a result. Growing old sucks.

>>150086517
I tried with Silent Bomber recently. Managed to reach the final boss as a kid, but never beat it.

Now I can't even beat the Blue Mist General.

>>150085857
I'm pretty sure you can find it on the workshop at this point
Should I take the thing off for next thread

So I've never been much of a Civ player (although I've played Civ2 and Civ3 back in the day) but I bought Civ5 during the Steam summer sale and decided to give it a go.

I have been reading various tips and guides as well and one weird thing stood out to me.

Where in most strategy games (and games in general) the understanding is that the gold standard for what is a good strategy is how it performs in multiplayer.

In Civ it seems like the gold standard is what works in Deity and multiplayer is largely ignored, as if this was a single player game.

Why is this?

>>150087840
>Where in most strategy games (and games in general) the understanding is that the gold standard for what is a good strategy is how it performs in multiplayer.
>In Civ it seems like the gold standard is what works in Deity and multiplayer is largely ignored, as if this was a single player game.
should have been a single sentence, no idea why I split it in two

>>150087840
>is that the gold standard for what is a good strategy is how it performs in multiplayer
Since when? Mostly because of the braindead AI and ease of a competitive session perhaps, but for Civilization, Total War, and Paradox games the gold standard has always been how it performs in singleplayer, because you just can't organize a multiplayer game that stretches for 10-100 hours.

>>150087840
People mostly play civ in SP. Hell, pretty much none of the work on MP

Also civ is not like RTS games, one game usually takes days to finish. You won't have games like that in MP unless you play quick, which most, including me, simply don't like

Also beating deity is more satisfying than beating others in MP

>>150088116
>pretty much none of the work on MP
pretty much none of the mods work on MP*

I miss Dominions 4. It had great options to shit talk everyone.

>>150088220
Did the general die

>>150088265
There's a Dominions general?

>>150088016
I guess I'm just wrong and more used to things like ASL and chess compared to the GS mainstream then.

The latter sounds overwhelmingly masturbatory in that case though. Plus getting better at the very top would mostly involve hacking around how the AI works rather than actually outsmarting an opponent.

Unless the AI is really good.

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>>150088362
>Unless the AI is really good.

>>150088362
>strategy
>AI
>good
>ever

>>150088334
Didn't there used to be?

>>150088362
>masturbatory
That's what all strategy is. Shit like Starcraft and WCIII at the very top is about how fast your hands can move while AoE2 at the top is actually a good deal luck and seeing if you made the right units, because if you were going for a FC double knight rush and the enemy started building pikes right before you got there you're boned no matter what.
Fuck's sake even outsmarting your opponent is a lot about how to exploit the game, because at some point there's really not a lot to strategy. Hannibal is one of the greatest field commanders in history but you'll notice his entire shtick comes down to 'terrain advantage', almost always a river, and 'hit their asses', almost always with cavalry or failing that shock infantry.

Fucking hell. I can barely scrap enough minerals to have fleet power of 600 and AI has 1400

How the hell am I supposed to survive early game on hard?

I have a dumb question about markets in AoE2.

So we agree that the furthest the markets are, the more gold your caravans get, right?

But is it really useful to move your markets as far as possible, since the caravans take more time to move from one market to another?

>>150088793
The gold increase formula is exponential.

>>150088650

Simple, you don't start any wars unless you can win them, you get lucky with your start (pretty much literally, encircled is a no-no and you'll get double-penetrated very quickly, same with being surrounded by hostile ethos) and deactivate the Advanced AI starts unless you are a masochist

Usually, you win wars by hard-countering the AI's tech or massively outnumbering them anyways. Due to the AI being extremely dull, you can also pull some dirty tricks like figuring out their rally point and massacring a part of their fleet while they desperately try to pool it together. Capital is also the only place you need to defend (and inversely, capture) along with war targets

>>150088793

Gold per distance scales much faster than time per travel, as such it's usually better to put them as far apart as possible

The other important thing is to have as few obstructions in the way as possible, making it go through your entire town, your unit production buildings and a maze of scattered houses is a big no-no

>>150088793
This >>150088942 >>150089068
Also if you have two markets right next to each other, they'll cram each other to pieces.

>>150088942
>>150089068
>>150089132
I see. Thanks.

>>150089068
>Simple, you don't start any wars unless you can win them
Why thank you. If only I could deny a war declaration, wouldn't it be nice?

>>150089278
>If only I could deny a war declaration, wouldn't it be nice?
>YOUR HEAD WOULD LOOK NICE ON A PIKE
>Nah I don't think so desu, I mean don't you think my hair would be messy with the wind blowing it all the time?
>o-oh...you're right...

>>150089364
>luckily, I have perfect shampoo! I'll wash your head before putting it on a spike!
>O-oh shoot.

>>150089278

There's usually two things I noticed in Stellaris early game, to keep your empire in one piece :

>You need to use your rivalries properly, take some time to analyze the rivalry webs, who is blatantly hostile to you and who is indifferent. Rival the right people and you can get a defensive pact within a decade or two
>Never EVER EVER guarantee the independence of a lone country (not granting you access to a larger alliance web) who is Inferior, or any country ever who is Pathetic. The AI WILL intentionally declare war on it and dick you sideways because defensive pacts don't apply if you're drafted to defend the lone black sheep that only you have been set to defend.
>DO NOT EVER USE LIBERATE UNLESS YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD REASON, YOU START WITH A PLEDGE OF PROTECTION AND THEY HAVE ZERO DEFENSES AND ALLIANCES, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL BE DOW BY OPPORTUNIST RIVALS IN A MATTER OF DAYS. TO WEAKEN EMPIRES, ABANDON. TO EXPAND, JUST CONQUER AND CLEAN UP THE POPS

>>150089632
Most of this is obvious, the problem is on hard I can't survive long enough for any of it to matter.

I get steamrolled by one empire. Normal was too easy, but hard is way too hard.

>>150089935
>hard is way too hard.
Yeah for the wrong reasons.

>>149970112
>tfw no empire borders for mac

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>>150090216
>mac

>>150090412
Nigga please. I know what I'm doing.

Does the random AI personalities make their personalities completely random, or just make AIs use random already existing personalities? Like Bismarck using Ghandhi's

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The more I read about trade, the more I want to buy Recettear and make money out of this.

>>150090768
It randomly modifies biases from -2 to +2.
But it doesn't matter because vanilla AI is retarded regardless.

>>150088641
Your argument overemphasizes one side of Sun Tzu's "If know your enemy and know yourself (...)" maxim when it's the other side that's most important. From the sound of it (I haven't played a lot of AoE) the Age of Empires player who is "going for a FC double knight rush" only to the foiled by the enemy who built pikes failed because he only knew himself but not the enemy (whether that's avoidable or not reflects on the game design rather than the player).

Knowing yourself is the easy bit (note that Sun Tzu's maxim doesn't even MENTION the possibility of knowing the enemy but not knowing yourself) and it's a given in high level play. The value of a strategy game design is in how the second bit - knowing your enemy - impacts the game. And with an AI opponent, particularly one of poor quality, you can simply "learn" the enemy in a way you couldn't with a human opponent.

You mention strategy is about exploiting specific advantages and that's true, but the point is that with a poor AI opponent you know how it will react to them, where with a human you generally can't, since he will take into account your predictions about his actions as you will about his.

Now there may be games where that is not a factor but that's simply because they are poorly designed.

That said I rarely play computer games.

>>150092115
Which is why most armies in PvE are actually versatile. You only see specialized armies in PvP.

>>150092115
alri Changqing pipe down

>>150092115
Age of Empires II has a pretty unpredictable AI though who seems to randomly select an initial strategy and change it up as he plays (he'll make fucking loads of champions if you spam pikes at him for example and loads of light cav in response to an Aztec Monk Rush), and more importantly it's not a matter of knowing your enemy but of knowing how to react to your enemy. Even in multiplayer, it's a matter of luck because right from the second the game starts there are decisions to be made. Make the wrong one by accident in response to that of an invisible enemy, you lose.

>>150092775
Sounds like poor design for strategy game.

>>150093140
How so? Strategy isn't about knowing you opponent's hand. It's actually almost entirely about guesswork. Perfect information games, like Chess, are not true "strategy" but games of planning.

>>150093140
Still better than Empire Earth.

>>150087840
theres a few problems with civ in general multiplayer-wise, which is why people concentrate on singleplayer. these arent really problems with the game itself that can be 'fixed' nor do I want them to be.
>games can take days of play, for several hours a day, even on the fastest setting
>impossible to get random players to play and finish a game unless you use no quitters mod
>some civs are designed for singleplayer and are basically useless in multiplayer
>the ai doesnt even work well in multiplayer, it never interacts with players
not to mention civ doesnt have a competitive side at all. in many rts games you see rankings for singleplayer as well, like rise of nations, because they dont have a real multiplayer scene.

>>150093376
In Rise of Nations' case, that's because the multiplayer is a piece of shit that crashes on a regular basis.

>>150093331

>playing Age of Empires
>pretending to know anything about strategy

dude ... srsly ...

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>chilling out in my empire researching and things
>suddenly some fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

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Calm down and praise Kumo.

>>150093140
most single 'real time strategy' games focus on reaction. I dont think this is poor design at all. an ai that reacts to you, and one that is very versatile, is on par with a human player, and is actually a lot better than low-level human players, who dont know how to react to strategies. if you wanted to play an actual strategy game, you wouldnt be playing an rts.

>>150093627
>play ANY strategy game
>pretend to know about strategy
Reading history helps here, but you wouldn't know it.
Strategy is about making airtight plans that do not fail no matter what choice your opponent makes even if you don't know what choices he has, or alternatively maximizing potential gain from things that can be discarded (so let's say you have 3 armies, you only need or want 2, how do you use army 3 in the best way?).
It's essentially game theory.

>>150093331
>but games of planning.
>strategy
>: a careful plan or method for achieving a particular goal usually over a long period of time
>: the skill of making or carrying out plans to achieve a goal

So you are telling me these games are actually strategy and playing a game about guess work is just gambling?

>>150094070
Strategy is not about just making the plan though you git, it's about reacting to a plan. There's no such thing as a perfect strategy, but in Chess there's perfect play possible.
If you're going to pretend that Hannibal, Subotei, etc. aren't strategists then kill yourself.

>>150094070
>guess work is just gambling
>implying strategy isn't gambling
Hannibal gambled the Fabian Strategy wouldn't outlast the loyalty of Roman allies
Pyrrhus gambled that the Romans wouldn't be able to replace armies quickly after shattering defeats
On a grander scale, Hitler gambled taking the Rhineland and Czech, Poland would be overlooked by the Western Allies.
The Visigoths gambled that the East Romans, overextended as they were, wouldn't be able to bring the full brunt of their might to bear on their armies.
Subotei gambled that the Hungarians wouldn't notice him making a crossing further down the river.
Strategy in general are gambles, the key is finding the right gambles, the right timing, and the right bluffs and/or coverups. There is no guarenteed strategy.

>>150093826

Strategy is the general's concept of how he's going to win the war.

Just like Tactics is the general's concept of how he's going to win the battle.

>>150094760
And both of them are actually any point of contention and interest whatsoever because it's impossible to know everything.

>>150094923

??? Can you possibly make your point any more unreadable?

Of course it's impossible to know everything - that's why all Strategy (and Tactics) ever was no more than pure guesswork and gambling.

But, you have to keep in mind that - when gambling - you always have to be prepared to lose.

>>150095208
>??? Can you possibly make your point any more unreadable?
Yeah okay, I'm >>150094620, >>150093826. Better?

>>150093826

>Age of Empires
>strategy

dude ... seriously ...

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>>150095359
What did he mean by this?

Except Supreme Commander 2 and Age of Empires 3, is there any other good RTS that was ruined by a console sequel?

>>150095509
Empire Earth had EE3 which is so bad even review sites gave it like 3/10

>>150095665
I tried it, I think. It was meh.
Not enough units.

>>150095801
>meh
>only meh
What about the shitty jokes and literally 3 civilizations?

>>150095839
I played it twice. It was bad. Really bad. The boring kind of bad.

>>150095906
It confounds me how Empire Earth, the one game I never fucking got from information overload (especially 2), became a fucking mobile game.

>>150096376
>especially two
I heard Empire Earth 2 wasn't really good either. Apparently it used a district system of some kind.

>>150096572
It was REALLY convoluted.

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>tfw glorious chink

How do I get good at war in Civ IV?

>>150103271
Outscience everyone and roll over their archers with tanks and marines.

So, question about slavery.
I have collectivist and xenophobe.
I don't give a flying fuck what other empires think about my policies.

Are there any negatives to enslaving my own pops on food and mineral tiles?

>>150107459
Addendum:
How about on the Planetary Administration tile?

>>150107459
There's still going to be instability, but rebellions seem to be broken.

Abolitionists might also pop up and make your slaves disappear, but for collectivists it shouldn't be a problem.

Man, the more I play AoE3, the more I hate it.

>>150108271
Stop playing it then

>>150108438
I can't. I want to have fun, and AoE2 is too hardcore for me.

>>150108542
>being a casul

>>150108620
>no fun allowed

>Empire Earth is literally dead
>Empire Earth's engine is barely usable
>Empire Earth II's engine has blatant problems and will crash if you slightly push it around
>Empire Earth III is a joke

And that's how RTSes go to die

>>150109306
>Rise of Nations' online is so fucked up you can't even play, despite promises it was going to be fixed
>Rise of Legends will never have a HD remake and because it's developped by Microsoft, it doesn't work on any recent OS
>Age of Mythology got a remake but is shit
>Supreme Commander FA has a dead community
>Supreme Commander FAF changed everything, requires you to register and suck up to a lot of people
>Supreme Commander 2 is a bloody joke
>Act of Aggression is nothing to talk about
>Grey Goo is a joke
>Red Alert turned into AM I KAWAII USA-KUN?
>The Tiberium serie died whimpering after shooting itself in the foot

>>150092115
Hannibal taking shit personally.

>>150111489
t. Roman.

>>149970112
Can I post Aurora here?

>>150092115
>the Age of Empires player who is "going for a FC double knight rush" only to the foiled by the enemy who built pikes failed because he only knew himself but not the enemy
Not really, a Gothic FC player can pump out pikemen in the time it takes those knights to knock down a shitty palisade wall.

>>150112150
I guess.

>>150113882
>a Gothic FC player can pump out pikemen
I COMPLETELY misunderstood that at first and I wondered why he gave pikemen handjobs.

I'm tired.

>>150114132
>not pikejobs

>>149975416
>World is an egg

When I select the tile to colonize in Stellaris does it replace the resource, or does it get used?
Like will I get extra food or will it destroy the tile?
How about a more unique tile like energy or research?

>>150116098
Same resource - it gets kept.
Different resource - it's suppressed

So your capital will take advatage of food and once upgraded minerals as well (I think), but not research or energy.

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The Spanish empire grows ever stronger.
Europe was getting really pissy with chain-denouncements, but luckily the Turks provided a solution to that. Bribed them against Egypt, who they wiped out, and then against all of Europe, and a few turns latter attacked him myself. Don't worry, you ungrateful fucks, Spain will continue to protect you from these heretical aggressors.
Unfortunately, Ankara is in just the right position that it has to burn. Astronomy's discovered, the world's opening up, and Sinai needs a canal. It's a shame, really; if it was just one tile to the right or on that hill it'd be fantastic...but it's not.
Some bribes meant the Zulu menace never really materialized, and now that I've got Tercios it never will. They're finally making headway against Ethiopia, though. Hopefully they'll wipe them out and give me an excuse to invade. Pushing down into south Africa isn't really worth it in my book, but central certainly is, what with it's holy city and two natural wonders.

Haven't played Stellaris since release week.
Are mid and late game fun/good now?
Are there any must-have overhaul mods yet?

>>150117954
That Thebes... doesn't have any wonders? That's a new

>>150118036
>Are mid and late game fun/good now?
It's better now, they fixed some stuff that didn't fire. But still a long way to go.

>>150116413
Thanks, mate.

>>150117954
>Not using Accurate Earth

What is objectively, the best Earth map that satisfies both of these criterias :

>Biggest size possible because you can't fit detail on a Standard
>Actually accurate. Fixed or random starts

Also I've heard of Civilization V tweaks that unfuck the 32 bit RAM issues, that causes the game to gray screen if too many things are going on mid game on Huge maps and late game in bigger than Standard. Can anyone enlighten me on that ?

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>>150117954
Holy shit that geography looks atrocious.
>Edirne in Cyrenaica

>>150119250
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=317546056&searchtext=accurate+earth

>>150119440

>Founded and captured cities are automatically named based on their location.

Intriguing, how does that even work ?

>>150119578
Magic.

Multiplayer related question regarding Stellaris

Say i find and get access to crystal forged plating, could i share this research with my buddy via research agreements?

>starts Red Alert 3
>no multiplayer option
>clicks on Challenge
>unskippable cutscene starts
Fuck you EA.

>>150122380
I think you need to actually have them researched first in order for them to actually show up for your friends.

in other words, yes (i think)

>play Montezuma
>get shit on by Washington
>play Kamehameha
>get shit on by Washington
>play Nobunaga
>get shit on by Washington

It's not even a good civ, he just keeps getting crazy production spawns.

>>150123590
I know a sure fire way that you can't lose to Washington, ever.
You BE the Washington. It is a good civ. Scouts range for life.

>>150123590
Now you understand why the aliens started by blowing Washington in Independence Day.

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>>150091536
Recettear is fun, as you get to be the sneaky merchant for once
I came for the capitalism then ended up playing for the dungeon crawling

>>150129951
>candy shortage
>sell chocolate for 12k to a little girl

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Oh baby.

>>150130363
>that fog of war
>50 turns
wew

>>150130568
top of the map lad

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>>150130113
The decision was ultimately hers goy, she just had provided to her what she wanted at a reasonable price

>>150094215
that's tactics, you git

also chess, despite being perfect information, is 99% tactics i.e. reacting to your opponent using very short-sighted (comparatively) methods

even computers use little forward planning in chess

>>150130363
>putting statues over fur tiles
absolute mad man

>>150130363
Can someone explain to me what the gray blocks are? Do they just replace the clouds on lower settings?

>>150130798
Yes. Clouds are ass.

>>150130787
Strategy is literally large-scale tactics though, and the only reason chess doesn't get forward planning is because the numbers involved are too fucking big.

>>150130941
are you implying that real life is smaller in complexity than chess? Because if so, I have to laugh at you

>>150131097
...what the fuck are you even talking about? No, real life isn't smaller in complexity, but it is both larger in scale and has non-perfect information. Even if you had infinite processing power at your disposal you wouldn't be able to create a perfect strategy.

>>150129951
>>150130703
You know, despite the shitty moeblob, that actually sounds like fun. How tedious is the dungeoning? I know that Japanese always have problem balancing their games.

I've been thinking about how to fix the current meta of Talcyon battleships being the only viable late-game build, and I think I've got some ideas.
Currently, the problem is that Talcyons- and to a lesser extent, Kinetic Artillery- give your battleships the ability to wipe out the entire enemy fleet before they can get close enough to actually shoot back- provided, of course, they are not also using Talcyons. The problem here is multi-layered- the engagement range of Talcyons is almost double that of most other weaponry, AND they deal more damage per shot than any other weapon slot, AND they have an incredibly high accuracy rate. Their only downside is taking 8.85 seconds/days/turns to fire again, but considering how long it takes fleets to close that 120 range engagement distance, that's enough for a good five or six shots. And when all you're packing is Talcyons, then that's something like 25-30 shots before the enemy is even able to fight back.

My thoughts on how to make, well, anything else viable again, is to have two things happen; first, nerf the fire rate on Talcyons. Take it from 8.85 all the way up to, say, 15.5. They still hit hard, but now they're only getting off two or three shots while the fleets close on each other. That's about 15 shots per ship when two fleets of battleships are closing on each other. Which brings me to part two:

Buff the speed of smaller vessels like Corvettes and Destroyers. Make the corvettes only slightly slower than the Strike Craft. This might not seem like much, but in theory, having thirty corvettes closing on the battleship that much faster would enter engagement range before the battleship could fire fifteen shots; in other words, less than half would get killed before entering engagement range, not counting any missed shots due to evasion.

Thus, the ideal fleet comp would require smaller ships to close the distance, middle ships to screen against smaller ships, and battleships providing fire support.

>>150131363
>shitty moeblob
Well uh
Why not try it

>>150131252
that's my point you dingus
real life is far more complex than chess could ever hope to be, and as such attempting to make a cohesive strategy and following it completely is folly that only armchair generals with the benefit of hindsight would do

That uneducated pleb quoting Sun Tzu is a gigantic fucking retard for thinking a good strategy game is one that is essentially solvable, because strategy is never, ever something that stands on its own without numerous tactical adjustments

Strategy is WHAT you are doing, while tactics is HOW you are doing.

>>150131563
So uh
We agree?

>>150131645
well yeah I was just being pedantic

calling you cock-addled nigger cattle is just the custom of my people

>>150131363
Its as tedious as you want it to be, some of the bossfights pose a challenge if you dont properly clear the floors and level your character used-- but it provides a little something nice and extra when you're tired of merchanting. Theres rewards at the end of some dungeons which translate to $$, as well as materials used for crafting items later on which can bring in good amounts of money. The dungeons only become truly grindy when you hit the second to last dungeon. Theres a demo online you can try if it sounds like your cup of tea

>>150131609
...no, it fucking isn't.
You win a battle with tactics, you win a front or war with strategy.
You can do a double pincer with both tactics and strategy, it's just done differently for different effect on each.

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Xenophobe: +100% Alien Slavery Tolerance
"Cannot choose the decadent trait unless you have chosen a trait, ethos or government that increases slavery tolerance"

>>150133220
You need the generic slavery instead of the xenphobe one, which is retarded

So
I've been playing civ v with friends but for some reason i'm always hella far behind them. I can't into science or war. How do I get better?

>>150133458
Play as Theodora and offer to give them irl titjobs if they let you win

>>150133430
Yeah that is pretty retarded, I have to drop my fanatic materialist to regular just so I can pick up collectivist

>NDA on the event that firaxis hosted lifts on wednesday

>>150131502
This sounds pretty good honestly. Seems like it would create a sort of skirmish line of strikecraft/corvettes/destroyers with their supporting artillery behind. 'Skirmish' spacecraft would engage first, and the winner of that particular part of the battle would have an advantage when closing in on the enemy artillery.

>>150135745
Not only that, it would give purpose to more varied battleship designs; Bruisers with Attack Computers built to slowly but surely move forward and crash through the enemy skirmishing line, bristling with weaponry to take out smaller vessels; mainline ships built with a Lance out front to provide support, plus an array of smaller weaponry to pick off anything that gets through the skirmish line; SuperCarrier battleships would no longer be wasting those extra weapon slots that aren't hangars...

Fuck missiles/torpedos in Stellaris. I could fall asleep in the time it takes them to hit enemy fleet.

>>150138876
You're going to hate Endless Space.
>launch missiles in Phase 1
>they finally hit in Phase 3

Is there a single reason to use missiles over torpedos?

>>150139176
When you haven't hit torpedo tech yet.

>>150139176
Mixing missiles with torpedoes is a good strategy against fleets with point defense; the faster fire rate and speed of the missiles and the slower but tougher torpedoes can overwhelm Point-Defense in large enough numbers. If you've ever played Tower-Defense games, you'll know the waves that combine fast units with slow tanks are the toughest waves, and the same concept applies here.

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>collectivist militarist materialist
>take over xenos
>transfer one pop from homeworld, purge xenos
>have to deal with constant rebellions because seven pops that never even knew xenos get mad for purges
Eventually just got used to having a full stack of defenders to put up with this crap, otherwise it's
>rebels take over
>instant 500+ navy and my spaceport somehow
>early game with just corvettes that get rekt by stations
What the hell were those swedes thinking with this mechanic?

>>150131502
I've heard that putting lances on destroyers/frigates is a viable strategy as well though I've never gotten that far in the game

>>150144242
It can help, but it's generally a waste of resources, since your destroyers can't take the hits a Battleship can, and thus will die to the enemy's scattered lances and thus take casualties every battle. That, and their higher speed means they close with the enemy faster, and thus enter the range at which the enemy can shoot back faster, since the battle ai is still the dumb "float at each other firing," with the only difference between defensive and aggressive computers being that defensive computers float more slowly.

>>150144242
>>150145742
You can make a lance-destroyer swarm if you have crystal +hitpoint plating.

Put in a lance and two PD, power to keep that running, best engines and sensors, fill up everything else with with crystal plating and use the computer that gives you +20% hitpoints.

You should end up with a relatively cheap destroyer with 1k+ hitpoints, some evasion and enough PD as a swarm to not just get deleted by bombers or missiles.
Throw in an admiral with the +hitpoints trait, and it works.

That advantage is that you can shit out those DDs way faster and in more places than the enemy can build battleships.

They're fast, and they can wreck spaceports and mining stations etc. rapidly.
They are less efficient when it comes to killing ships, and will lose to a battleship fleet of equal fleet capacity, but they can make a very good and cheap raiding force.

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>>150144242
Just fyi you can settle that colony if you terraform it. That removes all blockers from orbit.
I have to do that all the time if there's a pre-sentient species and they breed the fuck outta everywhere

>>150133458
Is your pop high?
Are you running tradition?
Have you watched any of FilthyRobots vids?

Doing these three things if you haven't already will give you an advantage

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i miss playing 12 hour civ games with my neet bros
how to fuck do you play 4X games when you have a job

>>150152027
Don't some multiplayer games have a save function?

>>150123590
Washington is good. UA is a small but constant factor that's a lot better than it looks, Minutemen are very solid, and B17s end games, period.

>>150153259
>amazing scouting early game
>can buy twice as many tiles
>minutemen are really solid blocker units
>b17 are bretty good

>you will never defend an impi+longbowmen push with minutemen

>>150158065
Would fug

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Am I boned? I think I'm boned. That one fleet is 41k. Unless those faggots go after the FE first, but knowing this game, I doubt it.